g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2010\2010-April.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 00:41:08 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] TEAC Z-7000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <90846.23649.qm@web112719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> A beast it is! Almost impossible to carry around! Ram --- On Wed, 3/31/10, george valkov wrote: From: george valkov Subject: Re: [naktalk] TEAC Z-7000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 11:11 AM I never said it's better - just that it's a beast -:). On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:33 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: George, I have used this deck side by side with the Naks and the Naks blow it out of the park. The only deck that can stand up to the Naks( high end) is the Tandberg 3014A........ Ram --- On Tue, 3/30/10, george valkov wrote: From: george valkov Subject: [naktalk] TEAC Z-7000 To: "Naktalk" Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 10:25 AM What a beast ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Teac-Z-7000-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ250601197372QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CE_Cassette_RL?hash=item3a58fecf3c -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ericeholtz at yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 16:42:10 2010 From: ericeholtz at yahoo.com (eric holtz) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 Remote/MR1 Message-ID: <762578.86833.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hello fellow Naksters, I recently purchased an RM-200 wired remote, claimed to work on my MR1. The seller claimed that it worked at the time of shipment, but after I received (very well packaged!), D- eoxIT-ed the pins and plugged it in, the "Stop" function will not engage in any mode. All other functions work as they should, but not stop. Seller said it may be the remote port on the MR1. I have the service manual with the port diagrams, but is there something else to look for first? NOTE: The seller offered me a full refund (less shipping of course) and let me keep the remote! Since I am going to keep it, I'll be fiddling with it to get it stop properly. Any thoughts? Also, thanks to everyone for the faceplate cleaning tips! Pledge and Windex-hmmm..., Eric LONG LIVE ANALOG!     -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Thu Apr 1 21:23:54 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 14:23:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 Remote/MR1 In-Reply-To: <762578.86833.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Eric, The remote simultaneously connects ground (pin 7) and FF and RW pins 4 and 5, which are diode isolated. You can check this with a meter in diode check red lead goes on the pins 4, then 5. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of eric holtz Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 9:42 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 Remote/MR1 Hello fellow Naksters, I recently purchased an RM-200 wired remote, claimed to work on my MR1. The seller claimed that it worked at the time of shipment, but after I received (very well packaged!), D- eoxIT-ed the pins and plugged it in, the "Stop" function will not engage in any mode. All other functions work as they should, but not stop. Seller said it may be the remote port on the MR1. I have the service manual with the port diagrams, but is there something else to look for first? NOTE: The seller offered me a full refund (less shipping of course) and let me keep the remote! Since I am going to keep it, I'll be fiddling with it to get it stop properly. Any thoughts? Also, thanks to everyone for the faceplate cleaning tips! Pledge and Windex-hmmm..., Eric LONG LIVE ANALOG! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.dolan at hotmail.com Fri Apr 2 02:58:40 2010 From: t.dolan at hotmail.com (Thomas Dolan) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 20:58:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eject problem with Nak 482 Message-ID: This morning I picked up a 482 from a seller on CL. When I got it home, the eject button wouldn't work. It's actually depressed into the unit but the cassette door still won't open. Any tips on getting it open? Thanks for any help From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Fri Apr 2 09:16:29 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:16:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Is 2SD985 a goog replacement of 2S1286? Message-ID: <4BB599CD.3010403@univ-rennes1.fr> Dear NakTalkers, I have been told that a 2SD985 was a good substitute of 2SD1286 (used for example as Q648 in CR7)? As "two heads are better than one", can someone confirm this? Happy Easter week-end! bernard From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Apr 2 18:13:39 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 08:13:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] eject problem with Nak 482 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's a very common problem. The eject is operated by a Bowden cable. The transport end of that cable is held in place in a nylon stirrup which cracks with age and stress. Nak realized early on that it was a bad design and changed it in later machines. Check the wiki official documents for Service Information bulletin number OOD-SI-3115 for the repair. They supplied a kit for it but you can make it up from standard hardware. Remember not to torque down too tight on the final fix as it will deform the back plate of the transport. Best of luck. Willy On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Thomas Dolan wrote: > > This morning I picked up a 482 from a seller on CL. When I got it home, the > eject button wouldn't work. It's actually depressed into the unit but the > cassette door still won't open. Any tips on getting it open? Thanks for any > help > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Fri Apr 2 23:02:34 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 16:02:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Is 2SD985 a goog replacement of 2S1286? In-Reply-To: <4BB599CD.3010403@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: My book says 2SD842,2SD946,2SD1980. Case size is important too. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of boitrel Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 2:16 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Is 2SD985 a goog replacement of 2S1286? Dear NakTalkers, I have been told that a 2SD985 was a good substitute of 2SD1286 (used for example as Q648 in CR7)? As "two heads are better than one", can someone confirm this? Happy Easter week-end! bernard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sat Apr 3 09:08:04 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 09:08:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Message-ID: Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: O-9081000A Leaflet.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 1701095 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Sat Apr 3 11:15:12 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 02:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Is 2SD985 a good replacement of 2S1286? In-Reply-To: <201004021017.o32A8Lab012471@zxe.naks.com> References: <201004021017.o32A8Lab012471@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <417309.59337.qm@web113720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Bernard All of the specified characteristics of a 2SD985 are the same or exceed those of a 2SD1286. The 2SD985 is rated at higher current, higher dissipation, the same current gain range (but at a higher current), the same switching speed, the same Vceo. The difference is the package - the 2SD985 is in a TO126 package, and the 2SD1286 is in SC64. You could definitely use the 2SC985 to replace the 2SD1286, as long as the transistors don't need a heatsink - if they do, their mounting is different - it might be hard to do. The big trap is that you will need to take care with pinout. When you look at a 2SD1286 from the front (metal tab at the back), with the pins pointing down, the left pin is Base, centre is Collector, right is Emitter. When you look at a 2SD985 the same way (metal tab at back, pins pointing down), the pins are reversed - so to have the same pinout, you look at the 2SD985 metal tab side. Hope that's not confusing. Good luck Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:16:29 +0200 From: boitrel Subject: [naktalk] Is 2SD985 a goog replacement of 2S1286? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4BB599CD.3010403 at univ-rennes1.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dear NakTalkers, I have been told that a 2SD985 was a good substitute of 2SD1286 (used for example as Q648 in CR7)? As "two heads are better than one", can someone confirm this? 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Graham On 03/04/2010, at 5:38 PM, Pär Ericsson wrote: > Happy Easter all Naktalkers! > > Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. > > Pelle. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Sun Apr 4 16:29:24 2010 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVBRHG) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 07:29:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet References: Message-ID: THANKS FOR SHARING THAT ! I'D NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE. WHAT NOSTALGIA. RANDALL SEATTLE,WA ----- Original Message ----- From: P�r Ericsson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 12:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Sun Apr 4 16:51:58 2010 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 10:51:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Leaflet Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462CB6E7A9F@mail.mmsav.com> Thanks Pelle, Wow does that bring back memories! I had a 1000II, 700II, 550, 350 w/ADS speakers, and a 580! Now I just have a 680ZX and the DM-10! :o) Thanks again and happy listening! Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com ________________________________ From: Pär Ericsson [paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se] Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddickerson at austin.rr.com Sun Apr 4 18:23:13 2010 From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com (d. dickerson) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287@austin.rr.com> thanks for the leaflet...well done.... blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a more complete version of that episode? dave dickerson, austin, tx On 3 Apr 2010, at 02:08, Pär Ericsson wrote: > Happy Easter all Naktalkers! >   > Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. >   > Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 886 bytes Desc: not available URL: From setiob at hotmail.com Mon Apr 5 15:58:39 2010 From: setiob at hotmail.com (name) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:58:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, thank you so much, Pelle! From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pär Ericsson Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From setiob at hotmail.com Mon Apr 5 16:38:52 2010 From: setiob at hotmail.com (name) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:38:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is something that may be of interest also. I scanned this recently. Henry. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248796/img01.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248797/img02.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248798/img03.jpg.html From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pär Ericsson Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Tue Apr 6 03:24:28 2010 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 18:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <201004051018.o35A8muj019923@zxe.naks.com> References: <201004051018.o35A8muj019923@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: It was the Nak 680 that had the half-speed recording option (and it would still get 15kHz on the top end). My understanding is that Philips (the company who owned the patent on the compact cassette, and licensed its use) pressured Nak to go to the single speed. They also went after B*I*C, with their two speed deck (which went the other direction of double-speed). Apparently, part of the license specified the speed as part of the specs. They also specified that the tapes be compatable mono or stereo, which is why cassettes have left and right channels side by side, instead of interleaved the way that they are on a reel-to-reel. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 From: "d. dickerson" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaflet To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287 at austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" thanks for the leaflet...well done.... blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a more complete version of that episode? From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 6 02:43:00 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:43:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002301cad522$1d0a0240$571e06c0$@net> Good grief! I have a LOT of respect for NAK decks and saved for a long time for my CR-70, but I think that is just a BIT overboard. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of name Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:39 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet Here is something that may be of interest also. I scanned this recently. Henry. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248796/img01.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248797/img02.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248798/img03.jpg.html From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pär Ericsson Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 6 15:57:36 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <156026.85912.qm@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, you are correct. Phillips was the entity that legally forced Nakamichi to revert to the 1 7/8 speed due to patent violation. That is why only the 680 and the 680ZX( normal and auto azimuth adjusting decks) were the only Naks with half speed capability. Interestingly, these were the decks that were perfected before the ZXE and ZXL decks came into fruition. Ram --- On Mon, 4/5/10, John Berger wrote: From: John Berger Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:24 PM It was the Nak 680 that had the half-speed recording option (and it would still get 15kHz on the top end). My understanding is that Philips (the company who owned the patent on the compact cassette, and licensed its use) pressured Nak to go to the single speed.  They also went after B*I*C, with their two speed deck (which went the other direction of double-speed).   Apparently, part of the license specified the speed as part of the specs. They also specified that the tapes be compatable mono or stereo, which is why cassettes have left and right channels side by side, instead of interleaved the way that they are on a reel-to-reel. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 From: "d. dickerson" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaflet To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287 at austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" thanks for the leaflet...well done.... blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a more complete version of that episode? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Tue Apr 6 16:20:20 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 07:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet In-Reply-To: <201004061018.o36A91aw023886@zxe.naks.com> References: <201004061018.o36A91aw023886@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <663440.56222.qm@web113714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Henry and Bob Thanks so much for those scans Henry - while I might have been tempted to agree with Bob back in the 80s, now as a collector of Nakamichi, I think it's great that Nakamichi went beyond audio, and created something as unique as the Limited. I'd certainly like to have one on display at my place. It's interesting to read the few paragraphs in the article, where the reasons for using gold are expounded - I have no idea whether Nakamichi really did give those reasons, or whether it's just the opinion of the writer. Certainly gold does give reliable connections over long periods, because it doesn't tarnish readily. But if you were trying to magnetically shield a head or something by plating it with a high conductivity metal, you wouldn't choose gold - silver and copper are both much better conductors than gold, and just a wee bit cheaper. I think in reality, the gold was there primarily to look great - and it does. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:43:00 -0700 From: "Bob Pierce" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <002301cad522$1d0a0240$571e06c0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good grief! I have a LOT of respect for NAK decks and saved for a long time for my CR-70, but I think that is just a BIT overboard. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of name Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:39 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet Here is something that may be of interest also. I scanned this recently. Henry. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248796/img01.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248797/img02.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248798/img03.jpg.html From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pär Ericsson Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What if 1/2 speed cassettes became the standard? Metal tape would remain in production. A complete CD would fit on a C-45. Live concerts could fit on one cassette uninterrupted. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 John, you are correct. Phillips was the entity that legally forced Nakamichi to revert to the 1 7/8 speed due to patent violation. That is why only the 680 and the 680ZX( normal and auto azimuth adjusting decks) were the only Naks with half speed capability. Interestingly, these were the decks that were perfected before the ZXE and ZXL decks came into fruition. Ram --- On Mon, 4/5/10, John Berger wrote: From: John Berger Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:24 PM It was the Nak 680 that had the half-speed recording option (and it would still get 15kHz on the top end). My understanding is that Philips (the company who owned the patent on the compact cassette, and licensed its use) pressured Nak to go to the single speed. They also went after B*I*C, with their two speed deck (which went the other direction of double-speed). Apparently, part of the license specified the speed as part of the specs. They also specified that the tapes be compatable mono or stereo, which is why cassettes have left and right channels side by side, instead of interleaved the way that they are on a reel-to-reel. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 From: "d. dickerson" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaflet To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287 at austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" thanks for the leaflet...well done.... blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a more complete version of that episode? ========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Tue Apr 6 18:56:33 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 11:56:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet In-Reply-To: <663440.56222.qm@web113714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John, The 700 and 1000 are filled with gold plated edge connectors, and they were not terribly reliable. Gold alone doesn't insure long term connections, but it does seem to be an improvement over silver or copper. Nakamichi had early experience with plating. When I was in training in their Santa Monica, CA office in 1978, there was a B&O 4002 anodized black in the lobby atop their 730 receiver. If you have ever questioned why the 730 footprint was so large, it was designed to support this turntable! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Gipps Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:20 AM To: rpierce000 at centurytel.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Hi Henry and Bob Thanks so much for those scans Henry - while I might have been tempted to agree with Bob back in the 80s, now as a collector of Nakamichi, I think it's great that Nakamichi went beyond audio, and created something as unique as the Limited. I'd certainly like to have one on display at my place. It's interesting to read the few paragraphs in the article, where the reasons for using gold are expounded - I have no idea whether Nakamichi really did give those reasons, or whether it's just the opinion of the writer. Certainly gold does give reliable connections over long periods, because it doesn't tarnish readily. But if you were trying to magnetically shield a head or something by plating it with a high conductivity metal, you wouldn't choose gold - silver and copper are both much better conductors than gold, and just a wee bit cheaper. I think in reality, the gold was there primarily to look great - and it does. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:43:00 -0700 From: "Bob Pierce" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <002301cad522$1d0a0240$571e06c0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good grief! I have a LOT of respect for NAK decks and saved for a long time for my CR-70, but I think that is just a BIT overboard. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of name Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:39 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet Here is something that may be of interest also. I scanned this recently. Henry. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248796/img01.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248797/img02.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248798/img03.jpg.html From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pär Ericsson Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 6 19:29:05 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:29:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: <156026.85912.qm@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005b01cad5ae$a9be3080$fd3a9180$@net> How did Tascam get away with the 4 track units then? Are they just using the R and L channels on both sides at the same time? Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 What if history had been different? What if 1/2 speed cassettes became the standard? Metal tape would remain in production. A complete CD would fit on a C-45. Live concerts could fit on one cassette uninterrupted. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 John, you are correct. Phillips was the entity that legally forced Nakamichi to revert to the 1 7/8 speed due to patent violation. That is why only the 680 and the 680ZX( normal and auto azimuth adjusting decks) were the only Naks with half speed capability. Interestingly, these were the decks that were perfected before the ZXE and ZXL decks came into fruition. Ram --- On Mon, 4/5/10, John Berger wrote: From: John Berger Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:24 PM It was the Nak 680 that had the half-speed recording option (and it would still get 15kHz on the top end). My understanding is that Philips (the company who owned the patent on the compact cassette, and licensed its use) pressured Nak to go to the single speed. They also went after B*I*C, with their two speed deck (which went the other direction of double-speed). Apparently, part of the license specified the speed as part of the specs. They also specified that the tapes be compatable mono or stereo, which is why cassettes have left and right channels side by side, instead of interleaved the way that they are on a reel-to-reel. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 From: "d. dickerson" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaflet To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287 at austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" thanks for the leaflet...well done.... blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a more complete version of that episode? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 6 21:51:57 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:51:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet In-Reply-To: References: <663440.56222.qm@web113714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007501cad5c2$9ecff140$dc6fd3c0$@net> I thought gold was the superior conductor. They certainly think so in the computer industry. I know that there is enough gold in computers to scavenge profitably for it. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet John, The 700 and 1000 are filled with gold plated edge connectors, and they were not terribly reliable. Gold alone doesn't insure long term connections, but it does seem to be an improvement over silver or copper. Nakamichi had early experience with plating. When I was in training in their Santa Monica, CA office in 1978, there was a B&O 4002 anodized black in the lobby atop their 730 receiver. If you have ever questioned why the 730 footprint was so large, it was designed to support this turntable! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Gipps Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:20 AM To: rpierce000 at centurytel.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Hi Henry and Bob Thanks so much for those scans Henry - while I might have been tempted to agree with Bob back in the 80s, now as a collector of Nakamichi, I think it's great that Nakamichi went beyond audio, and created something as unique as the Limited. I'd certainly like to have one on display at my place. It's interesting to read the few paragraphs in the article, where the reasons for using gold are expounded - I have no idea whether Nakamichi really did give those reasons, or whether it's just the opinion of the writer. Certainly gold does give reliable connections over long periods, because it doesn't tarnish readily. But if you were trying to magnetically shield a head or something by plating it with a high conductivity metal, you wouldn't choose gold - silver and copper are both much better conductors than gold, and just a wee bit cheaper. I think in reality, the gold was there primarily to look great - and it does. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:43:00 -0700 From: "Bob Pierce" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <002301cad522$1d0a0240$571e06c0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good grief! I have a LOT of respect for NAK decks and saved for a long time for my CR-70, but I think that is just a BIT overboard. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of name Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:39 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet Here is something that may be of interest also. I scanned this recently. Henry. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248796/img01.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248797/img02.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248798/img03.jpg.html From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pär Ericsson Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Apr 7 15:54:22 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 06:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet In-Reply-To: <007501cad5c2$9ecff140$dc6fd3c0$@net> References: <663440.56222.qm@web113714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <007501cad5c2$9ecff140$dc6fd3c0$@net> Message-ID: <311435.78577.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Gold is nothing like a superior conductor and nobody thinks so in the computer industry or elsewhere. Gold is extensively used because it's a 'noble' metal that dos not corrode or tarnish. This makes for very high long term contact reliability. While silver is the best conductor, it quickly tarnishes (that is, oxidizes). Silver oxide resistivity is very high, so it should only be used where contacts can be protected from the environment, such as relay contacts. It is far inferior to gold in open contacts, such as card edge contacts. Copper is almost as good a conductor as silver and doesn't tarnish quite as quickly. Still, it's rarely uses as contact material. Compared to copper, silver or even gold, tin is a poor conductor. However, tin is very soft, which makes for gas tight (and therefor, very reliable) connections. But the same quality also makes it subject to wear. It's excellent -- at a tiny fraction of the cost of gold -- where connectors are inserted and then forgotten, such as IC sockets and card edge connectors. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Bob Pierce To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 3:51:57 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet I thought gold was the superior conductor. They certainly think so in the computer industry. I know that there is enough gold in computers to scavenge profitably for it. Bob From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet John, The 700 and 1000 are filled with gold plated edge connectors, and they were not terribly reliable. Gold alone doesn't insure long term connections, but it does seem to be an improvement over silver or copper. Nakamichi had early experience with plating. When I was in training in their Santa Monica, CA office in 1978, there was a B&O 4002 anodized black in the lobby atop their 730 receiver. If you have ever questioned why the 730 footprint was so large, it was designed to support this turntable! tom brucker > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of John Gipps >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:20 AM >To: rpierce000 at centurytel.net >Cc: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet >> >Hi Henry >and Bob > >>Thanks so much for those scans Henry - while I might have been tempted to agree >with Bob back in the 80s, now as a collector of Nakamichi, I think it's great >that Nakamichi went beyond audio, and created something as unique as the >Limited. > >>I'd certainly like to have one on display at my place. > >>It's interesting to read the few paragraphs in the article, where the reasons >for using gold are expounded - I have no idea whether Nakamichi really did give >those reasons, or whether it's just the opinion of the writer. Certainly gold >does give reliable connections over long periods, because it doesn't tarnish >readily. But if you were trying to magnetically shield a head or something by >plating it with a high conductivity metal, you wouldn't choose gold - silver and >copper are both much better conductors than gold, and just a wee bit cheaper. I >think in reality, the gold was there primarily to look great - and it does. > >>Regards > >>John Gipps > > > >>Message: 4 >> >> >Date: >Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:43:00 -0700 >>From: "Bob Pierce" >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet >>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>Message-ID: <002301cad522$1d0a0240$571e06c0$@net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >>Good grief! > > > >>I have a LOT of respect for NAK decks and saved for a long time for my >>CR-70, but I think that is just a BIT overboard. > > > >>Bob > > > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >On Behalf >>Of name >>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:39 AM >>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet > > > >>Here is something that may be of interest also. > >>I scanned this recently. > > > >>Henry. > > > >http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248796/img01.jpg.html > > > >http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248797/img02.jpg.html > > > >http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248798/img03.jpg.html > > > > > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >On Behalf >>Of Pär Ericsson >>Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 AM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet > > > >>Happy Easter all Naktalkers! > > > >>Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. > > > >>Pelle. > >>-------------- next part -------------- >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100405/5dc3b9f8/attachment-0001.html > >>------------------------------ > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 6 >>************************************** > >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Wed Apr 7 15:31:05 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 06:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet In-Reply-To: <201004071017.o37A88WL030175@zxe.naks.com> References: <201004071017.o37A88WL030175@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <675448.85648.qm@web113702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Bob Compared to Copper, Gold is about 35% less conductive, and also compared to Copper, Silver is about 6% more conductive. The computer industry knows that - they can google "electrical conductivity of metals" just as easily as I can - they and the electronics industry in general use gold as a plating (usually over copper) to provide a more reliable contact that doesn't tarnish too readily. I also agree with Tom's comment - despite gold plated edge connectors used in the old 700s and 1000s, these decks had a lot of connector problems. But the connector problems took a few years to surface, and were readily fixable by cleaning the edge connectors. The gold plating did give them a number of years of reliable operation before problems occurred. I think it shows that edge connectors in audio equipment are trouble no matter what - later Nakamichi's don't use them, but still have lots of connectors of various types - but with no common connector issues. Regards John Gipps Message: 6 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:51:57 -0700 From: "Bob Pierce" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <007501cad5c2$9ecff140$dc6fd3c0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I thought gold was the superior conductor. They certainly think so in the computer industry. I know that there is enough gold in computers to scavenge profitably for it. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet John, The 700 and 1000 are filled with gold plated edge connectors, and they were not terribly reliable. Gold alone doesn't insure long term connections, but it does seem to be an improvement over silver or copper. Nakamichi had early experience with plating. When I was in training in their Santa Monica, CA office in 1978, there was a B&O 4002 anodized black in the lobby atop their 730 receiver. If you have ever questioned why the 730 footprint was so large, it was designed to support this turntable! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Gipps Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:20 AM To: rpierce000 at centurytel.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Hi Henry and Bob Thanks so much for those scans Henry - while I might have been tempted to agree with Bob back in the 80s, now as a collector of Nakamichi, I think it's great that Nakamichi went beyond audio, and created something as unique as the Limited. I'd certainly like to have one on display at my place. It's interesting to read the few paragraphs in the article, where the reasons for using gold are expounded - I have no idea whether Nakamichi really did give those reasons, or whether it's just the opinion of the writer. Certainly gold does give reliable connections over long periods, because it doesn't tarnish readily. But if you were trying to magnetically shield a head or something by plating it with a high conductivity metal, you wouldn't choose gold - silver and copper are both much better conductors than gold, and just a wee bit cheaper. I think in reality, the gold was there primarily to look great - and it does. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:43:00 -0700 From: "Bob Pierce" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <002301cad522$1d0a0240$571e06c0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good grief! I have a LOT of respect for NAK decks and saved for a long time for my CR-70, but I think that is just a BIT overboard. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of name Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:39 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet Here is something that may be of interest also. I scanned this recently. Henry. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248796/img01.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248797/img02.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248798/img03.jpg.html From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of PärEricsson Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100405/5dc3b9f8/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Wed Apr 7 16:30:56 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:30:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet In-Reply-To: <007501cad5c2$9ecff140$dc6fd3c0$@net> Message-ID: In the older Naks, the gold connectors lacked sufficient spring pressure to maintain contact. The gold did its job, but the presence of gold plating is never sufficient for adequate connections! Gold plating usuall degrades sound quality! This dirty little audiophile secret doesn't get nearly enough publicity. Before plating the gold layer, copper must have 1 or 2 other materials plated beneath it. Each layer oxidizes slightly, causing weak diode and battery effects at the contact surfaces between dissimilar metals. If you look at the information about pure copper binding posts, you'll get some good information about the evils of plating. In my perfect world I'd use solid nickel connectors and binding posts. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Pierce Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:52 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet I thought gold was the superior conductor. They certainly think so in the computer industry. I know that there is enough gold in computers to scavenge profitably for it. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet John, The 700 and 1000 are filled with gold plated edge connectors, and they were not terribly reliable. Gold alone doesn't insure long term connections, but it does seem to be an improvement over silver or copper. Nakamichi had early experience with plating. When I was in training in their Santa Monica, CA office in 1978, there was a B&O 4002 anodized black in the lobby atop their 730 receiver. If you have ever questioned why the 730 footprint was so large, it was designed to support this turntable! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Gipps Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:20 AM To: rpierce000 at centurytel.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Hi Henry and Bob Thanks so much for those scans Henry - while I might have been tempted to agree with Bob back in the 80s, now as a collector of Nakamichi, I think it's great that Nakamichi went beyond audio, and created something as unique as the Limited. I'd certainly like to have one on display at my place. It's interesting to read the few paragraphs in the article, where the reasons for using gold are expounded - I have no idea whether Nakamichi really did give those reasons, or whether it's just the opinion of the writer. Certainly gold does give reliable connections over long periods, because it doesn't tarnish readily. But if you were trying to magnetically shield a head or something by plating it with a high conductivity metal, you wouldn't choose gold - silver and copper are both much better conductors than gold, and just a wee bit cheaper. I think in reality, the gold was there primarily to look great - and it does. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:43:00 -0700 From: "Bob Pierce" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <002301cad522$1d0a0240$571e06c0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good grief! I have a LOT of respect for NAK decks and saved for a long time for my CR-70, but I think that is just a BIT overboard. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of name Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:39 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet Here is something that may be of interest also. I scanned this recently. Henry. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248796/img01.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248797/img02.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248798/img03.jpg.html From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pär Ericsson Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hitech at birch.net Wed Apr 7 16:30:57 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:30:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <005b01cad5ae$a9be3080$fd3a9180$@net> Message-ID: As I understand it the Philips cassette patents specified the speed, but not the number of tracks. Remember, cassette was introduced as a mono format. Ampex introduced stereo cassette recorders, and then Nakamichi made the stereo hi fidelity. I also never understood why 1/2 speed was nixed but double speed was allowed. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Pierce Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:29 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 How did Tascam get away with the 4 track units then? Are they just using the R and L channels on both sides at the same time? Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 What if history had been different? What if 1/2 speed cassettes became the standard? Metal tape would remain in production. A complete CD would fit on a C-45. Live concerts could fit on one cassette uninterrupted. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 John, you are correct. Phillips was the entity that legally forced Nakamichi to revert to the 1 7/8 speed due to patent violation. That is why only the 680 and the 680ZX( normal and auto azimuth adjusting decks) were the only Naks with half speed capability. Interestingly, these were the decks that were perfected before the ZXE and ZXL decks came into fruition. Ram --- On Mon, 4/5/10, John Berger wrote: From: John Berger Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:24 PM It was the Nak 680 that had the half-speed recording option (and it would still get 15kHz on the top end). My understanding is that Philips (the company who owned the patent on the compact cassette, and licensed its use) pressured Nak to go to the single speed. They also went after B*I*C, with their two speed deck (which went the other direction of double-speed). Apparently, part of the license specified the speed as part of the specs. They also specified that the tapes be compatable mono or stereo, which is why cassettes have left and right channels side by side, instead of interleaved the way that they are on a reel-to-reel. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 From: "d. dickerson" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaflet To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287 at austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" thanks for the leaflet...well done.... blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a more complete version of that episode? ========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Apr 7 17:44:03 2010 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:44:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Electrical Conductivity In-Reply-To: <201004071009.o37A88WK030175@zxe.naks.com> References: <201004071009.o37A88WK030175@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <004b01cad669$2c2346e0$8469d4a0$@net> John is correct.....silver has about 50% better electrical conductivity than gold. Copper is in between the two. Robert Kent Hi Henry and Bob It's interesting to read the few paragraphs in the article, where the reasons for using gold are expounded - I have no idea whether Nakamichi really did give those reasons, or whether it's just the opinion of the writer. Certainly gold does give reliable connections over long periods, because it doesn't tarnish readily. But if you were trying to magnetically shield a head or something by plating it with a high conductivity metal, you wouldn't choose gold - silver and copper are both much better conductors than gold, and just a wee bit cheaper. I think in reality, the gold was there primarily to look great - and it does. John Gipps I thought gold was the superior conductor. They certainly think so in the computer industry. I know that there is enough gold in computers to scavenge profitably for it. Bob ************************************** From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Wed Apr 7 17:13:21 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:13:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Torque tuning via VR601 Message-ID: <4BBCA111.8040300@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi everyone, To decrease torque of the reel motor, should VR601 be turned CW or CCW? thanks bernard From MarkH at Holaday.com Wed Apr 7 19:37:44 2010 From: MarkH at Holaday.com (Mark Hyer) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:37:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet In-Reply-To: References: <007501cad5c2$9ecff140$dc6fd3c0$@net> Message-ID: Good afternoon Tom, I have to agree with your statements that gold is not necessarily the best connector surface. However, there may be a problem with your perfect world and that is Nickel exhibits magnetic properties. Mark Hyer From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:31 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet In the older Naks, the gold connectors lacked sufficient spring pressure to maintain contact. The gold did its job, but the presence of gold plating is never sufficient for adequate connections! Gold plating usuall degrades sound quality! This dirty little audiophile secret doesn't get nearly enough publicity. Before plating the gold layer, copper must have 1 or 2 other materials plated beneath it. Each layer oxidizes slightly, causing weak diode and battery effects at the contact surfaces between dissimilar metals. If you look at the information about pure copper binding posts, you'll get some good information about the evils of plating. In my perfect world I'd use solid nickel connectors and binding posts. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Pierce Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:52 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet I thought gold was the superior conductor. They certainly think so in the computer industry. I know that there is enough gold in computers to scavenge profitably for it. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet John, The 700 and 1000 are filled with gold plated edge connectors, and they were not terribly reliable. Gold alone doesn't insure long term connections, but it does seem to be an improvement over silver or copper. Nakamichi had early experience with plating. When I was in training in their Santa Monica, CA office in 1978, there was a B&O 4002 anodized black in the lobby atop their 730 receiver. If you have ever questioned why the 730 footprint was so large, it was designed to support this turntable! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Gipps Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:20 AM To: rpierce000 at centurytel.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Hi Henry and Bob Thanks so much for those scans Henry - while I might have been tempted to agree with Bob back in the 80s, now as a collector of Nakamichi, I think it's great that Nakamichi went beyond audio, and created something as unique as the Limited. I'd certainly like to have one on display at my place. It's interesting to read the few paragraphs in the article, where the reasons for using gold are expounded - I have no idea whether Nakamichi really did give those reasons, or whether it's just the opinion of the writer. Certainly gold does give reliable connections over long periods, because it doesn't tarnish readily. But if you were trying to magnetically shield a head or something by plating it with a high conductivity metal, you wouldn't choose gold - silver and copper are both much better conductors than gold, and just a wee bit cheaper. I think in reality, the gold was there primarily to look great - and it does. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:43:00 -0700 From: "Bob Pierce" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <002301cad522$1d0a0240$571e06c0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good grief! I have a LOT of respect for NAK decks and saved for a long time for my CR-70, but I think that is just a BIT overboard. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of name Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:39 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Leaflet Here is something that may be of interest also. I scanned this recently. Henry. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248796/img01.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248797/img02.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/3248798/img03.jpg.html From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pär Ericsson Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet Happy Easter all Naktalkers! Here comes a fresh scan of a leaflet i found in my basement. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From MarkH at Holaday.com Wed Apr 7 19:47:15 2010 From: MarkH at Holaday.com (Mark Hyer) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:47:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Electrical Conductivity In-Reply-To: <004b01cad669$2c2346e0$8469d4a0$@net> References: <201004071009.o37A88WK030175@zxe.naks.com> <004b01cad669$2c2346e0$8469d4a0$@net> Message-ID: Hello Henry and Bob, They chose gold because of the conductivity, and gold is tarnish resistant. Copper oxidizes readily and would require constant maintenance. Silver is the most conductive metal but with heat, voltage/current and humidity/moisture it will grow whiskers like nobody's business resulting in shorts. If one could insulate the silver connections preventing the humidity silver would be great but terrible if you need to work on it in the future. If you are using any of the new hard drives the flexure and gimbals (arm between the motor and reader) have pure encapsulated silver traces instead of the copper trace plated with gold over nickel. Nickel is used strictly as a diffusion barrier to prevent cooper migration and the copper-gold intermetalic from forming. Best wishes Mark Hyer -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Electrical Conductivity John is correct.....silver has about 50% better electrical conductivity than gold. Copper is in between the two. Robert Kent Hi Henry and Bob It's interesting to read the few paragraphs in the article, where the reasons for using gold are expounded - I have no idea whether Nakamichi really did give those reasons, or whether it's just the opinion of the writer. Certainly gold does give reliable connections over long periods, because it doesn't tarnish readily. But if you were trying to magnetically shield a head or something by plating it with a high conductivity metal, you wouldn't choose gold - silver and copper are both much better conductors than gold, and just a wee bit cheaper. I think in reality, the gold was there primarily to look great - and it does. John Gipps I thought gold was the superior conductor. They certainly think so in the computer industry. I know that there is enough gold in computers to scavenge profitably for it. Bob ************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Wed Apr 7 22:15:11 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 22:15:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Torque tuning via VR601 In-Reply-To: <4BBCA111.8040300@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <4BBCA111.8040300@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: What deck? Enviado desde mi iPhone El 07/04/2010, a las 17:13, boitrel escribió: > Hi everyone, > > To decrease torque of the reel motor, should VR601 be turned CW or > CCW? > > thanks > bernard > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 8 00:05:13 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 15:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <765990.5808.qm@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To sell more cassette tapes, perhaps Tom>>?? Phillips was in the cassette making business too, so they looked the other way at higher speed machines. Just speculating here... Ram --- On Wed, 4/7/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:30 AM _filtered #yiv205112717 { font-family:Cambria Math;} _filtered #yiv205112717 { font-family:Calibri;} _filtered #yiv205112717 { font-family:Tahoma;} _filtered #yiv205112717 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv205112717 P.MsoNormal { MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"serif";FONT-SIZE:12pt;} #yiv205112717 LI.MsoNormal { MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"serif";FONT-SIZE:12pt;} #yiv205112717 DIV.MsoNormal { MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"serif";FONT-SIZE:12pt;} #yiv205112717 A:link { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv205112717 SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv205112717 A:visited { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv205112717 SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv205112717 SPAN.EmailStyle17 { FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d;} #yiv205112717 .MsoChpDefault { FONT-SIZE:10pt;} #yiv205112717 DIV.Section1 { } As I understand it the Philips cassette patents specified the speed, but not the number of tracks. Remember, cassette was introduced as a mono format. Ampex introduced stereo cassette recorders, and then Nakamichi made the stereo hi fidelity. I also never understood why 1/2 speed was nixed but double speed was allowed.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Pierce Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:29 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 How did Tascam get away with the 4 track units then? Are they just using the R and L channels on both sides at the same time?   Bob   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5   What if history had been different? What if 1/2 speed cassettes became the standard? Metal tape would remain in production. A complete CD would fit on a C-45. Live concerts could fit on one cassette uninterrupted.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 John, you are correct. Phillips was the entity that legally forced Nakamichi to revert to the 1 7/8 speed due to patent violation. That is why only the 680 and the 680ZX( normal and auto azimuth adjusting decks) were the only Naks with half speed capability. Interestingly, these were the decks that were perfected before the ZXE and ZXL decks came into fruition. Ram --- On Mon, 4/5/10, John Berger wrote: From: John Berger Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:24 PM It was the Nak 680 that had the half-speed recording option (and it would still get 15kHz on the top end). My understanding is that Philips (the company who owned the patent on the compact cassette, and licensed its use) pressured Nak to go to the single speed.  They also went after B*I*C, with their two speed deck (which went the other direction of double-speed).   Apparently, part of the license specified the speed as part of the specs. They also specified that the tapes be compatable mono or stereo, which is why cassettes have left and right channels side by side, instead of interleaved the way that they are on a reel-to-reel. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 From: "d. dickerson" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaflet To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287 at austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" thanks for the leaflet...well done.... blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a more complete version of that episode? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Apr 8 09:35:27 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:35:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Torque tuning via VR601 In-Reply-To: References: <4BBCA111.8040300@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <4BBD873F.8030400@univ-rennes1.fr> cr7 (after gear upgrade) and BX-300E Luis Peromarta Regert a écrit : > What deck? > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 07/04/2010, a las 17:13, boitrel > escribió: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> To decrease torque of the reel motor, should VR601 be turned CW or CCW? >> >> thanks >> bernard >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From DundisA at zhi.com Thu Apr 8 13:51:03 2010 From: DundisA at zhi.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 05:51:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <765990.5808.qm@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <765990.5808.qm@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <458FC5C7269F8B4A95C782DB2CED6E7D08F7B3D6@ued8.UE.com> Would a double speed tape machine not yield a higher quality recording??? This is/was typically the case in the recording industry. I would think it preferable to have an option for double speed rather than half speed for this reason. Wouter, any input on this subject? Andy ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran [mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:05 PM To: hitech at birch.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To sell more cassette tapes, perhaps Tom>>?? Phillips was in the cassette making business too, so they looked the other way at higher speed machines. Just speculating here... Ram --- On Wed, 4/7/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:30 AM As I understand it the Philips cassette patents specified the speed, but not the number of tracks. Remember, cassette was introduced as a mono format. Ampex introduced stereo cassette recorders, and then Nakamichi made the stereo hi fidelity. I also never understood why 1/2 speed was nixed but double speed was allowed. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Pierce Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:29 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 How did Tascam get away with the 4 track units then? Are they just using the R and L channels on both sides at the same time? Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 What if history had been different? What if 1/2 speed cassettes became the standard? Metal tape would remain in production. A complete CD would fit on a C-45. Live concerts could fit on one cassette uninterrupted. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 John, you are correct. Phillips was the entity that legally forced Nakamichi to revert to the 1 7/8 speed due to patent violation. That is why only the 680 and the 680ZX( normal and auto azimuth adjusting decks) were the only Naks with half speed capability. Interestingly, these were the decks that were perfected before the ZXE and ZXL decks came into fruition. Ram --- On Mon, 4/5/10, John Berger wrote: From: John Berger Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:24 PM It was the Nak 680 that had the half-speed recording option (and it would still get 15kHz on the top end). My understanding is that Philips (the company who owned the patent on the compact cassette, and licensed its use) pressured Nak to go to the single speed. They also went after B*I*C, with their two speed deck (which went the other direction of double-speed). Apparently, part of the license specified the speed as part of the specs. They also specified that the tapes be compatable mono or stereo, which is why cassettes have left and right channels side by side, instead of interleaved the way that they are on a reel-to-reel. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 From: "d. dickerson" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaflet To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287 at austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" thanks for the leaflet...well done.... blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a more complete version of that episode? ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Apr 8 16:05:19 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 07:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <458FC5C7269F8B4A95C782DB2CED6E7D08F7B3D6@ued8.UE.com> Message-ID: <968763.70758.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, just looks at BIC and TEAC's C2-X anc C3-X. However, the recording time will cut into half.  I will prefer double-speed rather than half-speed for performance.   Double-Speed might wear out the head quicker but Nak's pad-lifter will help to offset this dis-advantage; I guess.     Mike --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Dundis, Andy wrote: From: Dundis, Andy Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 6:51 AM Would a double speed tape machine not yield a higher quality recording??? This is/was typically the case in the recording industry. I would think it preferable to have an option for double speed rather than half speed for this reason. Wouter, any input on this subject? Andy   From: shanti ramachandran [mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:05 PM To: hitech at birch.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5   To sell more cassette tapes, perhaps Tom>>?? Phillips was in the cassette making business too, so they looked the other way at higher speed machines. Just speculating here... Ram --- On Wed, 4/7/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: " Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks " < naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:30 AM As I understand it the Philips cassette patents specified the speed, but not the number of tracks. Remember, cassette was introduced as a mono format. Ampex introduced stereo cassette recorders, and then Nakamichi made the stereo hi fidelity. I also never understood why 1/2 speed was nixed but double speed was allowed.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Pierce Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:29 PM To: ' Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 How did Tascam get away with the 4 track units then? Are they just using the R and L channels on both sides at the same time?   Bob   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5   What if history had been different? What if 1/2 speed cassettes became the standard? Metal tape would remain in production. A complete CD would fit on a C-45. Live concerts could fit on one cassette uninterrupted.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 John, you are correct. Phillips was the entity that legally forced Nakamichi to revert to the 1 7/8 speed due to patent violation. That is why only the 680 and the 680ZX( normal and auto azimuth adjusting decks) were the only Naks with half speed capability. Interestingly, these were the decks that were perfected before the ZXE and ZXL decks came into fruition. Ram --- On Mon, 4/5/10, John Berger wrote: From: John Berger Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:24 PM It was the Nak 680 that had the half-speed recording option (and it would still get 15kHz on the top end). My understanding is that Philips (the company who owned the patent on the compact cassette, and licensed its use) pressured Nak to go to the single speed.  They also went after B*I*C, with their two speed deck (which went the other direction of double-speed).   Apparently, part of the license specified the speed as part of the specs. They also specified that the tapes be compatable mono or stereo, which is why cassettes have left and right channels side by side, instead of interleaved the way that they are on a reel-to-reel. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 From: "d. dickerson" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaflet To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks < naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287 at austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" thanks for the leaflet...well done.... blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a more complete version of that episode? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Apr 8 16:06:10 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 16:06:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Torque tuning via VR601 In-Reply-To: <4BBD873F.8030400@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <4BBCA111.8040300@univ-rennes1.fr> <4BBD873F.8030400@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <4C04CCDA-B986-4D49-B3EE-C1026AAF3C20@peromarta.org> I do not remember. I suggest you use you finger-torque meter: put you fingers on the hub, and see ;) LP. El 08/04/2010, a las 09:35, boitrel escribió: > cr7 (after gear upgrade) and BX-300E > > Luis Peromarta Regert a écrit : >> What deck? >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> El 07/04/2010, a las 17:13, boitrel escribió: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> To decrease torque of the reel motor, should VR601 be turned CW or CCW? >>> >>> thanks >>> bernard >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Fri Apr 9 10:55:07 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:55:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Torque tuning via VR601 In-Reply-To: <4C04CCDA-B986-4D49-B3EE-C1026AAF3C20@peromarta.org> References: <4BBCA111.8040300@univ-rennes1.fr> <4BBD873F.8030400@univ-rennes1.fr> <4C04CCDA-B986-4D49-B3EE-C1026AAF3C20@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <4BBEEB6B.6030004@univ-rennes1.fr> Well, according to my finger-torque meter and although it is not that obvious to sense, I found that turning CCW decreases the torque. bernard Luis Peromarta Regert a écrit : > I do not remember. I suggest you use you finger-torque meter: put you fingers on the hub, and see ;) > > LP. > > El 08/04/2010, a las 09:35, boitrel escribió: > >> cr7 (after gear upgrade) and BX-300E >> >> Luis Peromarta Regert a écrit : >>> What deck? >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone >>> El 07/04/2010, a las 17:13, boitrel escribió: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> To decrease torque of the reel motor, should VR601 be turned CW or CCW? >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> bernard >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr Fri Apr 9 13:25:01 2010 From: claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr (Claude BONNAFOUS) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:25:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Torque tuning via VR601 Message-ID: Hi Bernard , I don't remember: I would suggest measuring tension on reel motor -about 3 volt- then move the pot just a little and see what happens. Just my deux centimes d'Euro. Amitiés. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 10 00:35:51 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 15:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <458FC5C7269F8B4A95C782DB2CED6E7D08F7B3D6@ued8.UE.com> Message-ID: <877912.68470.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Andy, I can understand your need for a double speed machine.. However, the low end response would not be as good. It may ( will) rise to 30Hz instead of the 20hz. standard  due to higher speed. Look at reel to reel machines. Even the mighty SONY TC-880-2 could not go beyond 25Hz.... Ram --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Dundis, Andy wrote: From: Dundis, Andy Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:51 AM Would a double speed tape machine not yield a higher quality recording??? This is/was typically the case in the recording industry. I would think it preferable to have an option for double speed rather than half speed for this reason. Wouter, any input on this subject? Andy   From: shanti ramachandran [mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:05 PM To: hitech at birch.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5   To sell more cassette tapes, perhaps Tom>>?? Phillips was in the cassette making business too, so they looked the other way at higher speed machines. Just speculating here... Ram --- On Wed, 4/7/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: " Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks " < naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:30 AM As I understand it the Philips cassette patents specified the speed, but not the number of tracks. Remember, cassette was introduced as a mono format. Ampex introduced stereo cassette recorders, and then Nakamichi made the stereo hi fidelity. I also never understood why 1/2 speed was nixed but double speed was allowed.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Pierce Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:29 PM To: ' Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 How did Tascam get away with the 4 track units then? Are they just using the R and L channels on both sides at the same time?   Bob   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5   What if history had been different? What if 1/2 speed cassettes became the standard? Metal tape would remain in production. A complete CD would fit on a C-45. Live concerts could fit on one cassette uninterrupted.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 John, you are correct. Phillips was the entity that legally forced Nakamichi to revert to the 1 7/8 speed due to patent violation. That is why only the 680 and the 680ZX( normal and auto azimuth adjusting decks) were the only Naks with half speed capability. Interestingly, these were the decks that were perfected before the ZXE and ZXL decks came into fruition. Ram --- On Mon, 4/5/10, John Berger wrote: From: John Berger Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:24 PM It was the Nak 680 that had the half-speed recording option (and it would still get 15kHz on the top end). My understanding is that Philips (the company who owned the patent on the compact cassette, and licensed its use) pressured Nak to go to the single speed.  They also went after B*I*C, with their two speed deck (which went the other direction of double-speed).   Apparently, part of the license specified the speed as part of the specs. They also specified that the tapes be compatable mono or stereo, which is why cassettes have left and right channels side by side, instead of interleaved the way that they are on a reel-to-reel. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 From: "d. dickerson" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaflet To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks < naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287 at austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" thanks for the leaflet...well done.... blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a more complete version of that episode? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Apr 10 07:19:05 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 21:19:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <877912.68470.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <458FC5C7269F8B4A95C782DB2CED6E7D08F7B3D6@ued8.UE.com> <877912.68470.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's not the case. A professional open reel machine is capable of full (20-20KHz) response at up to 15ips. It isn't until you get to 30ips that the low frequency response begins to be sacrificed. The biggest difference between an open reel cassette deck is head room. A professional machine (1/8" of tape per track) will be able to record and play full frequency at 0dB - even somewhat above for the better machines. Willy On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:35 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Andy, > > I can understand your need for a double speed machine.. However, the low > end response would not be as good. It may ( will) rise to 30Hz instead of > the 20hz. standard due to higher speed. > > Look at reel to reel machines. Even the mighty SONY TC-880-2 could not go > beyond 25Hz.... > > Ram > > > --- On *Thu, 4/8/10, Dundis, Andy * wrote: > > > From: Dundis, Andy > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:51 AM > > Would a double speed tape machine not yield a higher quality recording??? > This is/was typically the case in the recording industry. I would think it > preferable to have an option for double speed rather than half speed for > this reason. Wouter, any input on this subject? > > Andy > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* shanti ramachandran [mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:05 PM > *To:* hitech at birch.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 > > > > To sell more cassette tapes, perhaps Tom>>?? Phillips was in the cassette > making business too, so they looked the other way at higher speed machines. > > Just speculating here... > > Ram > > --- On *Wed, 4/7/10, tom brucker * wrote: > > > From: tom brucker > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 > To: " Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks " < naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:30 AM > > As I understand it the Philips cassette patents specified the speed, but > not the number of tracks. Remember, cassette was introduced as a mono > format. Ampex introduced stereo cassette recorders, and then Nakamichi made > the stereo hi fidelity. > > I also never understood why 1/2 speed was nixed but double speed was > allowed. > > > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Bob Pierce > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:29 PM > *To:* ' Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ' > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 > > How did Tascam get away with the 4 track units then? Are they just using > the R and L channels on both sides at the same time? > > > > Bob > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *tom brucker > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 > > > > What if history had been different? What if 1/2 speed cassettes became the > standard? Metal tape would remain in production. A complete CD would fit on > a C-45. Live concerts could fit on one cassette uninterrupted. > > > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *shanti ramachandran > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:58 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 > > John, you are correct. > > Phillips was the entity that legally forced Nakamichi to revert to the 1 > 7/8 speed due to patent violation. > > That is why only the 680 and the 680ZX( normal and auto azimuth adjusting > decks) were the only Naks with half speed capability. > > Interestingly, these were the decks that were perfected before the ZXE and > ZXL decks came into fruition. > > Ram > > --- On *Mon, 4/5/10, John Berger * wrote: > > > From: John Berger > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:24 PM > > > It was the Nak 680 that had the half-speed recording option (and it would > still get 15kHz on the top end). > > My understanding is that Philips (the company who owned the patent on the > compact cassette, and licensed its use) pressured Nak to go to the single > speed. They also went after B*I*C, with their two speed deck (which went > the other direction of double-speed). Apparently, part of the license > specified the speed as part of the specs. > > They also specified that the tapes be compatable mono or stereo, which is > why cassettes have left and right channels side by side, instead of > interleaved the way that they are on a reel-to-reel. > > > > Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 > From: "d. dickerson" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaflet > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks < naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287 at austin.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > thanks for the leaflet...well done.... > > blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its > capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or > some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to > remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a > more complete version of that episode? > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! *http://www.naks.com/wiki* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: *http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! *http://www.naks.com/wiki* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > *Naktalk at naks.com* mailinglist > Maintain your account here: *http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 10 09:35:50 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:35:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NOW, FACTORY CAPSTAN BELTS FOR *ALL NAKAMICHI MODELS In-Reply-To: <4B86BAAA.5070300@marrscom.com> References: <4B86BAAA.5070300@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <5A873267-D9A9-45F2-930F-9C07B1060B44@peromarta.org> Hi Fred, looking for a couple of belt sets for classic transport + azimuth. Could you please send me a paypal invoice to luis at peromarta.org ? Still doing some discount to service centers, I guess ? Thanks and best rgds, LP. El 25/02/2010, a las 19:00, Fred Marrs escribió: > 2/25/10 > > Hope everyone is well ! > > Just a short note: Factory Capstan Belts are now available for ALL Nakamichi > > Models, ( except OCO 3668 and OCO 5333 ). 600 and 1000 etc. > > All Factory Capstan Belts and Factory Kits, can be found in my eBay Store. > > Thanks Much ! Fred M. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 10 16:54:39 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <858218.99241.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Willy, I was restricting myself to the quarter inch tape machines for home use( high end), which I have checked out have responses below 25 Hz... in their spec sheets, at 15 ips..... OTOH, the 680 series decks can go down to 10Hz +-3dB....a claim not  one rtr (home of course) can make at the low spectrum! Let me know if you can find one specked like that! Like you state, this is a headroom issue. The highs require a lot more headroom than the lows... Peace! Ram --- On Sat, 4/10/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:19 AM That's not the case.  A professional open reel machine is capable of full (20-20KHz) response at up to 15ips.  It isn't until you get to 30ips that the low frequency response begins to be sacrificed.  The biggest difference between an open reel cassette deck is head room.  A professional machine (1/8" of tape per track) will be able to record and play full frequency at 0dB - even somewhat above for the better machines. Willy On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:35 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: Andy, I can understand your need for a double speed machine.. However, the low end response would not be as good. It may ( will) rise to 30Hz instead of the 20hz. standard  due to higher speed. Look at reel to reel machines. Even the mighty SONY TC-880-2 could not go beyond 25Hz.... Ram --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Dundis, Andy wrote: From: Dundis, Andy Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:51 AM Would a double speed tape machine not yield a higher quality recording??? This is/was typically the case in the recording industry. I would think it preferable to have an option for double speed rather than half speed for this reason. Wouter, any input on this subject? Andy   From: shanti ramachandran [mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:05 PM To: hitech at birch.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5   To sell more cassette tapes, perhaps Tom>>?? Phillips was in the cassette making business too, so they looked the other way at higher speed machines. Just speculating here... Ram --- On Wed, 4/7/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: " Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks " < naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:30 AM As I understand it the Philips cassette patents specified the speed, but not the number of tracks. Remember, cassette was introduced as a mono format. Ampex introduced stereo cassette recorders, and then Nakamichi made the stereo hi fidelity. I also never understood why 1/2 speed was nixed but double speed was allowed.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Pierce Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:29 PM To: ' Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 How did Tascam get away with the 4 track units then? Are they just using the R and L channels on both sides at the same time?   Bob   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5   What if history had been different? What if 1/2 speed cassettes became the standard? Metal tape would remain in production. A complete CD would fit on a C-45. Live concerts could fit on one cassette uninterrupted.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 John, you are correct. Phillips was the entity that legally forced Nakamichi to revert to the 1 7/8 speed due to patent violation. That is why only the 680 and the 680ZX( normal and auto azimuth adjusting decks) were the only Naks with half speed capability. Interestingly, these were the decks that were perfected before the ZXE and ZXL decks came into fruition. Ram --- On Mon, 4/5/10, John Berger wrote: From: John Berger Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:24 PM It was the Nak 680 that had the half-speed recording option (and it would still get 15kHz on the top end). My understanding is that Philips (the company who owned the patent on the compact cassette, and licensed its use) pressured Nak to go to the single speed.  They also went after B*I*C, with their two speed deck (which went the other direction of double-speed).   Apparently, part of the license specified the speed as part of the specs. They also specified that the tapes be compatable mono or stereo, which is why cassettes have left and right channels side by side, instead of interleaved the way that they are on a reel-to-reel. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:23:13 -0500 From: "d. dickerson" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaflet To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks < naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <28ca370c3a6589bb358d01887c847287 at austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" thanks for the leaflet...well done.... blurb contained therein about Nak 680ZX reminds of a question about its capability to record/playback with two speeds...had read that 'RIAA' or some other sanctioning body had brought action and Nak had had to remove two-speed option from all succeeding models...does anyone have a more complete version of that episode? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com Tue Apr 13 20:03:22 2010 From: mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com (Mitchell, Mike K) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:03:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 will not play Message-ID: I've had this unit since 1975 and it has worked great until yesterday. When I press "play" the tape it will not stay engaged. Head will stay engaged if I hold the Play button down but pops free immediately when I release the button. Tried several tapes thinking the tape was not moving freely but still pops back immediately I thought it might be the clutch between the drive and tape so took it apart and cleaned the felt, reassembled but still will not stay engaged to play. All belts are working. Could it be the electronics which sence that the clutch input is moving but output tape is not ("end of tape electronics")? These electronics would normally tell the head assembly to pop back to stop pinching the tape and trying to move the tape (minimizing chance of tape breakage). Where are "end of tape" electronics which senses the drive side of the clutch moving but the tape side not? How can I get a manual with electronics details? From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 13 22:46:25 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:46:25 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 700 will not play In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This link has the 700II service manual: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents > From: mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:03:22 -0700 > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 will not play > > I've had this unit since 1975 and it has worked great until yesterday. > > When I press "play" the tape it will not stay engaged. > Head will stay engaged if I hold the Play button down but pops free immediately when I release the button. > Tried several tapes thinking the tape was not moving freely but still pops back immediately > I thought it might be the clutch between the drive and tape so took it apart and cleaned the felt, reassembled but still will not stay engaged to play. > All belts are working. > > Could it be the electronics which sence that the clutch input is moving but output tape is not ("end of tape electronics")? These electronics would normally tell the head assembly to pop back to stop pinching the tape and trying to move the tape (minimizing chance of tape breakage). > > Where are "end of tape" electronics which senses the drive side of the clutch moving but the tape side not? > > How can I get a manual with electronics details? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. 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Sternthal) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:04:19 -0400 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 700 will not play In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BC69E53.3040505@verizon.net> Mark Exstedt wrote: > > This link has the 700II service manual: > http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents > > > > > From: mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:03:22 -0700 > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 will not play > > > > I've had this unit since 1975 and it has worked great until yesterday. > > > > When I press "play" the tape it will not stay engaged. > > Head will stay engaged if I hold the Play button down but pops free > immediately when I release the button. > > Tried several tapes thinking the tape was not moving freely but > still pops back immediately > > I thought it might be the clutch between the drive and tape so took > it apart and cleaned the felt, reassembled but still will not stay > engaged to play. > > All belts are working. > > > > Could it be the electronics which sence that the clutch input is > moving but output tape is not ("end of tape electronics")? These > electronics would normally tell the head assembly to pop back to stop > pinching the tape and trying to move the tape (minimizing chance of > tape breakage). > > > > Where are "end of tape" electronics which senses the drive side of > the clutch moving but the tape side not? > > > > How can I get a manual with electronics details? > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. Get started. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5002 (20100405) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5002 (20100405) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > try cleaning the touch controls really well with windex or denatured alcohol my 700II would go into stop mode if buttons dirty From rayr0683 at comcast.net Thu Apr 15 09:31:33 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Tapes Message-ID: <1930918303.13820111271316693287.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello All,                      Here is a link to some nice Chrome Tapes in case anyone didn't know.... http://www.darklab-magnetics.de/darklab_webshop/index.htm                   Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 09:55:55 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:55:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 Buttons and illuminated dial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Walter, I buy nearly all my lamps here -- http://home.earthlink.net/~dwojo/index.html The lamps Dave sells are superior to most of the lamps available from places like MCM, and he has a better selection of lamps for audio gear than Mouser or Digi-Key. You will, however, need to know the electrical characteristics of the original lamps, either from Nakamichi service documents or from in-circuit measurements. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:04 AM, wdrewes at iafrica.com wrote: > If anyone can tell me where to get or sell me the Nakamichi "Seek Up" and > "Seek Down " as well as the "AM" buttons for an ST-7 Tuner please contact me > off-line. > I also need the illuminated dial. I can pay by PayPal. > Many thanks! > Walter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 10:32:25 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 Buttons and illuminated dial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <601291.41901.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What are you talking about, "...illuminated dial."  On the ST-7???? Scott J. ________________________________ From: "wdrewes at iafrica.com" To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 12:04:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 Buttons and illuminated dial If anyone can tell me where to get or sell me the Nakamichi "Seek Up" and "Seek Down " as well as the "AM" buttons for an ST-7 Tuner please contact me off-line.  I also need the illuminated dial. I can pay by PayPal. Many thanks! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 23:15:58 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 Buttons and illuminated dial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <798303.12332.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What's wrong with it that you want to get a new display?  It rarely needs to be replaced unless the glass is cracked.  If the whole display is off then look for a leaky electrolytics caps on the display board and replace it.  I forget the C-number.  If you have a problem were some of the segments are dim that's an even easier fix.  Just change the station so the segments that are dim are lit and leave it for a 24 hours.  Change the station to make sure all the dim segments get about a day of use.  The dim segments will come back to life.  I haven't added this little fix to my nak FAQ web page, since it is a relatively recent finding, but, it will get on there soon.  http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm Scott J. ________________________________ From: "wdrewes at iafrica.com" To: "p9019 at yahoo.com" Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 4:20:17 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 Buttons and illuminated dial The amber (or is it green ? )dial/display that shows: Signal Strength by bar,Station Hz,whether unit is operating in Stereo or not.etc.The whole display unit ,electronics et all would be required. I hope the above description  can be understood! Many thanks walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:Scott Johnson  Sent:Friday, April 16, 2010 10:32  To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks naktalk at naks.com;  Subject:Re: [naktalk] ST-7 Buttons and illuminated dial What are you talking about, "...illuminated dial."  On the ST-7???? Scott J. ________________________________ From: "wdrewes at iafrica.com" To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 12:04:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 Buttons and illuminated dial If anyone can tell me where to get or sell me the Nakamichi "Seek Up" and "Seek Down " as well as the "AM" buttons for an ST-7 Tuner please contact me off-line.  I also need the illuminated dial. I can pay by PayPal. Many thanks! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Apr 17 16:28:22 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 07:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Instructions for belt replacement In-Reply-To: <201004171017.o3HA8HmO009769@zxe.naks.com> References: <201004171017.o3HA8HmO009769@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <90139.16900.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Scott, This is OT to your OP, but in your instructions for replacing the flip mechanism belt on the RX-505....I think you should warn others how delicate that pot is on the top plate w/motor. It is EXTREMELY easy to b break, due to its very thin shaft. Just putting the plate back in place can break it. It's not hard at all to replace, except for the issue of FINDING another one. Kevin ________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Johnson Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 Buttons and illuminated dial To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <798303.12332.qm at web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What's wrong with it that you want to get a new display? It rarely needs to be replaced unless the glass is cracked. If the whole display is off then look for a leaky electrolytics caps on the display board and replace it. I forget the C-number. If you have a problem were some of the segments are dim that's an even easier fix. Just change the station so the segments that are dim are lit and leave it for a 24 hours. Change the station to make sure all the dim segments get about a day of use. The dim segments will come back to life. 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I cleaned it up, realigned it, did the idler gear mod and performed the recording eq mod. If your CR-7 has a SN lower than 8677 then it does not have the eq mod. These 7's with SN's <8677 were not biased properly from the factory with regard to record eq . When you hear one that has the mod and the old stock models with out the mod.....the difference in recorded sound quality is HUGE. Mark From: mcole01 at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 07:59:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 button caps Hello everyone, I've just made a lucky find - a CR-7 in working condition. However, it's missing the button caps from the PLAY and PAUSE buttons. Would anyone have these caps that I could buy? I may be wrong but the button caps are probably the same on all of the CR series decks. Please contact me off list mcole01 at comcast.net if you have them. Thanks and all the best, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Record EQ amplifier Board is another story.   Record  Line in  Signal there but not  is  coming out of the board , No  bias signal   ,  No signal thru  Record EQ amplifier Board ,  has around 30 computer  inputs to this board  logic signals  from the CPU to control everything ,  record Levels, Freq response , frequency  Peaking , bias levels, etc.     Record , Run – Azimuth-  , intermittent 400 Hz manually, then  no go ,  No main calibration  oscillators  no CPU signals to control  --- Good news , there is a 105Khz bias signal in this mode but it does nothing else.     Record , Run – Auto Cal , no Go!   I am chasing my tail around the  Logic ( Logic ICs )  and 2 x main  CPU  IC  and associated Logic ICs at the moment.     I am in a quandary as I have been trying to work  without the Nakamichi  Test Gig   that you can supposedly use to test and control the CPU  andall the functions , this is also used to set up the bias , amp levels , etc etc it does the works. There is an extension Board as well        I'm told the test gig makes it like working on a modern Motor Car , you drive the car in and they Plug a gig and leads  into the cars Computer  to analyse it !!          Also it appears some one may have cut the board and bypassed one of the relays  on the main board , see the brown jumper leads on attached photo,  I don’t know wether this is a modification or is an attempt to fix a fault , the manuals do not show any  circuit mods yet the are factory mods on this board.   Can anyone confirm whether this is a factory production mod?   Where can I get the latest electronics schematics, if there is such a thing?   Help anyone??   Thanks Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And I will also be listing my BX-2 and CR-2A soon. But in the meantime... here is the info about the gently used cassettes... I have about 300 used once cassette tapes I'm parting with. All tapes recorded on once and played back at most 4 to 5 times (most only played back once) only in clean home decks. Never played in car stereos, boom boxes, dirty or inferior decks.  All tapes were recorded on clean NAK or TASCAM Pro decks. All tapes were stored in smoke free, temperature and humidity controlled environment.  The tapes are in near mint condition.   There are many on this list how have purchased tapes from me in the past and can verify the qaulity and condition of my tapes.  All tape was made in Japan. TDK SA @ $3/each TDK SA-X @ $4/each Maxell XLII @ 0.75/each Maxell XLII-S @ $3.50 each I have both 90 and 100 min lengths   5 Metal Tapes- assorted brands (i.e. Sony, Maxell,  That's, TDK) for $30 + postage (media rate). 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Walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:Roland  Sent:Monday, April 19, 2010 18:08  To:Nakamichi tapedecks naktalk at naks.com;  Subject:[naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? and does anyone believe this is a new unit? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320516301110&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 17:15:20 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:15:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Storage of Nak Test Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Walter, That would depend on the type of metal. If the box were ferrous, I would be hesitant. Aluminum, no problem. Untreated wood, no problem. Cheap plastic boxes gradually "sweat" fumes. Opaque is better than clear. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:04 AM, wdrewes at iafrica.com wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas on whether storage of these tapes in a metal > box/container could be harmfull to the tapes (the same , I suppose , would > apply to music recorded tapes) > Many thanks! > Walter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 17:28:22 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:28:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: <0L1400C2PSU9SS50@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0L1400C2PSU9SS50@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: There are two things that have my bullshit alarm going off. The first is the $30.00 USPS shipping charge. USPS is the worst way of shipping gear, as compared to UPS or Fed-Ex. No mention was made of insurance. The second is the dubious comment that he didn't have any way to hook it up until he acquired a boom box. Who, in the modern age, *doesn't *have a stereo or home-theater rig sitting somewhere in their home? -- or, for that matter, a TV with a spare video input? After all, this is a person who *does * own a digital camera and a computer. So . . . this man, allegedly the spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Roland wrote: > and does anyone believe this is a new unit? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320516301110&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 19:14:16 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:14:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: ZXL1000 help In-Reply-To: <475463.12426.qm@web114608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <475463.12426.qm@web114608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve, Looks like you've really put in the time on this 1000ZXL. Goodbye horrible orange film caps! When a board is not performing, the first thing I always check is supply voltages. The presence of the 105kHz bias under any circumstance, no matter how limited, tells us that the bias oscillator is capable of functioning. I would take a close look at the record EQ board from the standpoint of supply voltages. Also . . . when you put the set into normal record mode, say with a TDK SAX, how many earmarks of being in RECORD MODE can you identify? Put differently, when the set enters record mode, this state is reflected at dozens of points throughout the set. Most obviously, the meters will deflect with the music and the REC indicator will go on. Various analog switches will direct the signal along correct pathways, various muting transistor pairs will switch on and off, a switching device will activate the bias oscillator, the tape transport will run, etc. I often find that my compiling a kind of "state matrix" I can deduce where the cause of the problem lies. Say, to make up a simple thought experinent, that in REC mode, there are ten places where the "state of record" is supposed to be reflected. Let's number these 1 through 10. Now imagine that 1,2,4,6,8, and 10 are indeed going into a REC-ON state, but 3,5,7, and 9 are not. Now . . . further suppose that ultimately 3,5,7, and 9 track back to a state change in a single switching transistor. I can assume with some confidence that either that transistor is bad, or the control signal that switches it is missing. I can then trace the logic path backward to the source of the trouble. * * * * * GENERAL TROUBLESHOOTING PRINCIPLE: Use the principle of reductionism to redefine the failure into its most basic, component-level form. GENERAL TROUBLESHOOTING PRINCIPLE: Start at the point of malfunction and troubleshoot AWAY from it, or start at a point of healthy operation and troubleshoot TOWARD the malfunction. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Steve Kulak wrote: > > Hi Naktalkers, > Have spent 4 days last week on and off on a 1000ZXL. Replaced about 40 orange > capacitors > > an all the boards , each capacitor was measured individually with a > capacitance meter and match in value to the original before > > replacing it . On this Nakamichi these capacitor values are closetolerance . > > > > Status is Play Ok , Mech needs some fine tuning but ok at this point . > > > > *But! Record EQ amplifier Board is another story.* > > > > Record Line in Signal there but not is coming out of the board , No bias > signal , No signal thru Record EQ amplifier Board , has around 30 > computer inputs to this board logic signals from the CPU to > control everything , record Levels, Freq response , frequency Peaking , > bias levels, etc. > > > > Record , Run – Azimuth- , intermittent 400 Hz manually, then no go , No > main calibration oscillators no CPU signals to control --- Good news , > there is a 105Khz bias signal in this mode but it does nothing else. > > > > Record , Run – Auto Cal , no Go! > > > > I am chasing my tail around the Logic ( Logic ICs ) and 2 x main CPU > IC and associated Logic ICs at the moment. > > > > I am in a quandary as I have been trying to work without the Nakamichi Test > Gig that you can supposedly use to test and control the > > CPU and all the functions , this is also used to set up the bias , amp > levels , etc etc it does the works. There is an extension > > Board as well > > > > I'm told the test gig makes it like working on a modern Motor Car , you > drive the car in and they Plug a gig and leads into the cars Computer to > analyse it !! > > > > Also it appears some one may have cut the board and bypassed one of the > relays on the main board , see the brown jumper leads on attached photo, > I don’t know wether this is a modification or is an attempt to fix a fault > , the manuals do not show any circuit mods yet the are factory mods on > this board. > > > > Can anyone confirm whether this is a factory production mod? > > > > Where can I get the latest electronics schematics, if there is such a > thing? > > > > Help anyone?? > > > > Thanks Paul > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 18:06:07 2010 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Storage of Nak Test Tapes Message-ID: <553479.60763.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I know that tapes we send for off site storage are sent in metal (steel) boxes, but they are painted and padded. I don't know what paint. Something that doesn't come off:-) They are also kept in environmentally controlled rooms. David --- On Tue, 4/20/10, wdrewes at iafrica.com wrote: Does anyone have any ideas on whether storage of these tapes in a metal box/container could be harmfull to the tapes (the same , I suppose , would apply to music recorded tapes) Many thanks! Walter From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 22:03:50 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <355657.79850.qm@web112710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Fred, Roland, Whatever anyone says or thinks or feels about this auction, the seller made a killing of $1730, and this was one of the most heavily bid auctions I've seen in a while. Ram --- On Tue, 4/20/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 11:28 AM There are two things that have my bullshit alarm going off. The first is the $30.00 USPS shipping charge. USPS is the worst way of shipping gear, as compared to UPS or Fed-Ex. No mention was made of insurance. The second is the dubious comment that he didn't have any way to hook it up until he acquired a boom box. Who, in the modern age, doesn't have a stereo or home-theater rig sitting somewhere in their home? -- or, for that matter, a TV with a spare video input? After all, this is a person who does own a digital camera and a computer. So . . . this man, allegedly the spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Roland wrote: and does anyone believe this is a new unit? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320516301110&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Wed Apr 21 14:30:12 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 05:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: <201004211017.o3LA881m024917@zxe.naks.com> References: <201004211017.o3LA881m024917@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <233874.19154.qm@web113709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Walter With my luck, I would have stumbled over the Dragon at the church fete and not had $100 in my wallet. For what it's worth, I read all the additional statements from the seller, and the Qs and As, and decided to accept that it was all on the level. Not everyone is technically savvy, and not everyone has a twelve year old to show them how to do it. Fred, as far as I can see, your comment "So . . . this man, allegedly the spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth." is pure speculation on your part, but you've stated it as though you've somehow proven it with your preceding argument. Another bargain spotted on the net recently was a T-100 for sale for $40. I emailed the seller, and received a polite reply from "Danny", advising me that it had sold three months ago. C'est la vie. If you want to see this item, just GoogleT-100 Fort Lauderdale. Regards John Gipps Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:00:19 +0200 From: "wdrewes at iafrica.com" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: "rjlbjk at verizon.net" , "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Why do they never have church rumble sales like that where I live? Walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:Roland  Sent:Monday, April 19, 2010 18:08  To:Nakamichitapedecksnaktalk at naks.com;  Subject:[naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? and does anyone believe this is a new unit? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320516301110&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT Roland Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:28:22 -0700 From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There are two things that have my bullshit alarm going off. The first is the $30.00 USPS shipping charge. USPS is the worst way of shipping gear, as compared to UPS or Fed-Ex. No mention was made of insurance. The second is the dubious comment that he didn't have any way to hook it up until he acquired a boom box. Who, in the modern age, *doesn't *have a stereo or home-theater rig sitting somewhere in their home? -- or, for that matter, a TV with a spare video input? After all, this is a person who *does * own a digital camera and a computer. So . . . this man, allegedly the spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 21 15:41:26 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:41:26 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: <233874.19154.qm@web113709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <201004211017.o3LA881m024917@zxe.naks.com>, <233874.19154.qm@web113709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You can't take for granted that anyone is telling the absolute truth on Ebay. A month ago, I called a guy locally concerning a Nak deck (and two other Nak items) on Craigslist. When asked 'how long have you had it?', he replies 'one year'. A couple weeks later, the same deck is listed on Ebay (along with his other two Nak items). In his Ebay description is stated: 'Paid $XXX.00 for it in 1992'. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 18:18:14 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: <233874.19154.qm@web113709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <280246.96766.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found that many believe that all sellers in ebay are telling lies and out to cheat the buyer.  Surprisingly many sellers are ignorant what Dragon can do and how to use a Dragon. I also see many naktalkers themselves believe that their Dragon is working fine while it may not really working fine! Minty Dragon attracts many bidders unlike any other Nak but it is the only machine which requires good service and sometimes extensive work to reclaim it to reliable working level Kannan --- On Wed, 4/21/10, John Gipps wrote: From: John Gipps Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: wdrewes at iafrica.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:30 AM Hi Walter With my luck, I would have stumbled over the Dragon at the church fete and not had $100 in my wallet. For what it's worth, I read all the additional statements from the seller, and the Qs and As, and decided to accept that it was all on the level. Not everyone is technically savvy, and not everyone has a twelve year old to show them how to do it. Fred, as far as I can see, your comment "So . . . this man, allegedly the spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth." is pure speculation on your part, but you've stated it as though you've somehow proven it with your preceding argument. Another bargain spotted on the net recently was a T-100 for sale for $40. I emailed the seller, and received a polite reply from "Danny", advising me that it had sold three months ago. C'est la vie. If you want to see this item, just Google T-100 Fort Lauderdale. Regards John Gipps Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:00:19 +0200 From: "wdrewes at iafrica.com" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: "rjlbjk at verizon.net" ,    "naktalk at naks.com"     Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Why do they never have church rumble sales like that where I live? Walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:Roland  Sent:Monday, April 19, 2010 18:08  To:Nakamichi tapedecks naktalk at naks.com;  Subject:[naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? and does anyone believe this is a new unit? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320516301110&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT Roland Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:28:22 -0700 From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There are two things that have my bullshit alarm going off. The first is the $30.00 USPS shipping charge. USPS is the worst way of shipping gear, as compared to UPS or Fed-Ex. No mention was made of insurance. The second is the dubious comment that he didn't have any way to hook it up until he acquired a boom box. Who, in the modern age, *doesn't *have a stereo or home-theater rig sitting somewhere in their home? -- or, for that matter, a TV with a spare video input? After all, this is a person who *does * own a digital camera and a computer. So . . . this man, allegedly the spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hp at isjcorp.com Wed Apr 21 16:37:49 2010 From: hp at isjcorp.com (Henry Poyker) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:37:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: References: <201004211017.o3LA881m024917@zxe.naks.com>, <233874.19154.qm@web113709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00aa01cae160$389aa790$a9cff6b0$@com> I must say that I had my doubts about that item, but the back plate (the only well-focused image) looks absolutely pristine... From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? You can't take for granted that anyone is telling the absolute truth on Ebay. A month ago, I called a guy locally concerning a Nak deck (and two other Nak items) on Craigslist. When asked 'how long have you had it?', he replies 'one year'. A couple weeks later, the same deck is listed on Ebay (along with his other two Nak items). In his Ebay description is stated: 'Paid $XXX.00 for it in 1992'. _____ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. Get busy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Wed Apr 21 19:04:10 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:04:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: <280246.96766.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <233874.19154.qm@web113709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <280246.96766.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006701cae174$aa1d8e00$fe58aa00$@net> I find that when I sell something on eBay a certain amount of hyperbole is necessary to attract bidders. Putting something on eBay is somewhat of a crap shoot, you never know what you will get. I have been off in my estimates by as much as 500%. I think that most people on eBay are not out to cheat someone as much as they are trying to make their item stand out from the others. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? I found that many believe that all sellers in ebay are telling lies and out to cheat the buyer. Surprisingly many sellers are ignorant what Dragon can do and how to use a Dragon. I also see many naktalkers themselves believe that their Dragon is working fine while it may not really working fine! Minty Dragon attracts many bidders unlike any other Nak but it is the only machine which requires good service and sometimes extensive work to reclaim it to reliable working level Kannan --- On Wed, 4/21/10, John Gipps wrote: From: John Gipps Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: wdrewes at iafrica.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:30 AM Hi Walter With my luck, I would have stumbled over the Dragon at the church fete and not had $100 in my wallet. For what it's worth, I read all the additional statements from the seller, and the Qs and As, and decided to accept that it was all on the level. Not everyone is technically savvy, and not everyone has a twelve year old to show them how to do it. Fred, as far as I can see, your comment "So . . . this man, allegedly the spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth." is pure speculation on your part, but you've stated it as though you've somehow proven it with your preceding argument. Another bargain spotted on the net recently was a T-100 for sale for $40. I emailed the seller, and received a polite reply from "Danny", advising me that it had sold three months ago. C'est la vie. If you want to see this item, just Google T-100 Fort Lauderdale. Regards John Gipps Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:00:19 +0200 From: "wdrewes at iafrica.com " > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: "rjlbjk at verizon.net " >, "naktalk at naks.com " > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Why do they never have church rumble sales like that where I live? Walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:Roland  Sent:Monday, April 19, 2010 18:08  To:Nakamichi tapedecks naktalk at naks.com ;  Subject:[naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? and does anyone believe this is a new unit? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=320516301110&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT Roland Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:28:22 -0700 From: Fred Longworth > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There are two things that have my bullshit alarm going off. The first is the $30.00 USPS shipping charge. USPS is the worst way of shipping gear, as compared to UPS or Fed-Ex. No mention was made of insurance. The second is the dubious comment that he didn't have any way to hook it up until he acquired a boom box. Who, in the modern age, *doesn't *have a stereo or home-theater rig sitting somewhere in their home? -- or, for that matter, a TV with a spare video input? After all, this is a person who *does * own a digital camera and a computer. So . . . this man, allegedly the spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Apr 23 00:10:38 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: <006701cae174$aa1d8e00$fe58aa00$@net> References: <233874.19154.qm@web113709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <280246.96766.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006701cae174$aa1d8e00$fe58aa00$@net> Message-ID: <326988.72135.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > I think that most people on eBay are not out to cheat > someone as much as they are trying to make their item > stand out from the others. Yea, but when one posts a shack but calls it a 'castle', it does come across as a scam, even though all the seller wanted was to make the item 'stand out'. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Bob Pierce To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 1:04:10 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? I find that when I sell something on eBay a certain amount of hyperbole is necessary to attract bidders. Putting something on eBay is somewhat of a crap shoot, you never know what you will get. I have been off in my estimates by as much as 500%. I think that most people on eBay are not out to cheat someone as much as they are trying to make their item stand out from the others. From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? I found that many believe that all sellers in ebay are telling lies and out to cheat the buyer. Surprisingly many sellers are ignorant what Dragon can do and how to use a Dragon. I also see many naktalkers themselves believe that their Dragon is working fine while it may not really working fine! Minty Dragon attracts many bidders unlike any other Nak but it is the only machine which requires good service and sometimes extensive work to reclaim it to reliable working level Kannan --- On Wed, 4/21/10, John Gipps wrote: >> From: John Gipps >> Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? >> To: wdrewes at iafrica.com >> Cc: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:30 AM >Hi Walter > >> With my luck, I would have stumbled over the Dragon at the church fete and > not had $100 in my wallet. > >> For what it's worth, I read all the additional statements from the seller, > and the Qs and As, and decided to accept that it was all on the level. Not > everyone is technically savvy, and not everyone has a twelve year old to show > them how to do it. > >> Fred, as far as I can see, your comment "So . . . this man, allegedly > the spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth." > is pure speculation on your part, but you've stated it as though you've > somehow proven it with your preceding argument. > >> Another bargain spotted on the net recently was a T-100 for sale for $40. I > emailed the seller, and received a polite reply from "Danny", > advising me that it had sold three months ago. C'est la vie. If you want to > see this item, just Google T-100 Fort Lauderdale. > >Regards > >> John Gipps > >Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:00:19 +0200 >> From: "wdrewes at iafrica.com" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? >> To: "rjlbjk at verizon.net" , "naktalk at naks.com" >> >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> Why do they never have church rumble sales like that where I live? >> Walter > > >>  ----- Original Message ------ >>  From:Roland >>  Sent:Monday, April 19, 2010 18:08 >>  To:Nakamichi tapedecks naktalk at naks.com; >>  Subject:[naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? > >> and does anyone believe this is a new unit? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320516301110&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT > >> Roland > >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:28:22 -0700 >> From: Fred Longworth >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> There are two things that have my bullshit alarm going off. > >> The first is the $30.00 USPS shipping charge. USPS is the worst way of >> shipping gear, as compared to UPS or Fed-Ex. No mention was made of >> insurance. > >> The second is the dubious comment that he didn't have any way to hook it up >> until he acquired a boom box. Who, in the modern age, *doesn't *have a >> stereo or home-theater rig sitting somewhere in their home? -- or, for that >> matter, a TV with a spare video input? After all, this is a person who *does >> * own a digital camera and a computer. So . . . this man, allegedly the >> spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth. > >> Fred >> Classic Audio Repair >www.repairaudio.com > > > >> > >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Fri Apr 23 03:58:56 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:58:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: <326988.72135.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <233874.19154.qm@web113709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <280246.96766.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006701cae174$aa1d8e00$fe58aa00$@net> <326988.72135.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019b01cae288$899392a0$9cbab7e0$@net> Indeed, that is so, but when I describe a dbx 120x-ds as rare and wonderful am I to far over the line? They are great units and I don’t see a lot of them around, hence the description. When I just listed one with the unit number I got $25 less. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:11 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? > I think that most people on eBay are not out to cheat > someone as much as they are trying to make their item > stand out from the others. Yea, but when one posts a shack but calls it a 'castle', it does come across as a scam, even though all the seller wanted was to make the item 'stand out'. -- Ron _____ From: Bob Pierce To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 1:04:10 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? I find that when I sell something on eBay a certain amount of hyperbole is necessary to attract bidders. Putting something on eBay is somewhat of a crap shoot, you never know what you will get. I have been off in my estimates by as much as 500%. I think that most people on eBay are not out to cheat someone as much as they are trying to make their item stand out from the others. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? I found that many believe that all sellers in ebay are telling lies and out to cheat the buyer. Surprisingly many sellers are ignorant what Dragon can do and how to use a Dragon. I also see many naktalkers themselves believe that their Dragon is working fine while it may not really working fine! Minty Dragon attracts many bidders unlike any other Nak but it is the only machine which requires good service and sometimes extensive work to reclaim it to reliable working level Kannan --- On Wed, 4/21/10, John Gipps wrote: From: John Gipps Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: wdrewes at iafrica.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:30 AM Hi Walter With my luck, I would have stumbled over the Dragon at the church fete and not had $100 in my wallet. For what it's worth, I read all the additional statements from the seller, and the Qs and As, and decided to accept that it was all on the level. Not everyone is technically savvy, and not everyone has a twelve year old to show them how to do it. Fred, as far as I can see, your comment "So . . . this man, allegedly the spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth." is pure speculation on your part, but you've stated it as though you've somehow proven it with your preceding argument. Another bargain spotted on the net recently was a T-100 for sale for $40. I emailed the seller, and received a polite reply from "Danny", advising me that it had sold three months ago. C'est la vie. If you want to see this item, just Google T-100 Fort Lauderdale. Regards John Gipps Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:00:19 +0200 From: "wdrewes at iafrica.com " > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: "rjlbjk at verizon.net " >, "naktalk at naks.com " > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Why do they never have church rumble sales like that where I live? Walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:Roland  Sent:Monday, April 19, 2010 18:08  To:Nakamichi tapedecks naktalk at naks.com ;  Subject:[naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? and does anyone believe this is a new unit? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=320516301110&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT Roland Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:28:22 -0700 From: Fred Longworth > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There are two things that have my bullshit alarm going off. The first is the $30.00 USPS shipping charge. USPS is the worst way of shipping gear, as compared to UPS or Fed-Ex. No mention was made of insurance. The second is the dubious comment that he didn't have any way to hook it up until he acquired a boom box. Who, in the modern age, *doesn't *have a stereo or home-theater rig sitting somewhere in their home? -- or, for that matter, a TV with a spare video input? After all, this is a person who *does * own a digital camera and a computer. So . . . this man, allegedly the spouse of a female pastor in a church, "fudged" on the truth. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Apr 23 15:37:42 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 06:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: <201004231017.o3NA8702003068@zxe.naks.com> References: <201004231017.o3NA8702003068@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <207121.15257.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I don't think "rare" is a hot button term as much as 'just needs belt' etc. If it's something minor like they state, then they should have it fixed before sale. I've seen the term "rare" used subjectively...just because a unit doesn't show up everyday, doesn't make it rare. Rare to me would be if less than 50,000 units were ever made etc. "Rare" can also work against you if there are no parts available and you have to buy another as a donor.;-) You can be colorful/inventive in your description, but you should always stay true to the facts. Kevin Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:58:56 -0700 From: "Bob Pierce" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <019b01cae288$899392a0$9cbab7e0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Indeed, that is so, but when I describe a dbx 120x-ds as rare and wonderful am I to far over the line? They are great units and I don’t see a lot of them around, hence the description. When I just listed one with the unit number I got $25 less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com Fri Apr 23 18:03:29 2010 From: mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com (Mitchell, Mike K) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:03:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for Nakamichi 700 Message-ID: I've had my 700 for ~35 years now. I would like to replace all the belts and other rubber (like the pinch rollers). Where can I get all the belts and pinch rollers? From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Apr 23 18:28:45 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: <207121.15257.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <201004231017.o3NA8702003068@zxe.naks.com> <207121.15257.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <939406.65302.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> 'Rare' is certainly a buzz word. On ebay, it often is a blatant lie (for example, for a BX-100). It does make sense for collectors, though. It's in the same class as 'I can't test it, but I did plug it in and the pilot lamp came on, so I am sure it's working fine' (meaning, there is definitely, absolutely, something wrong with it) and my favorite: 'there is this tiny problem, but I am sure it's a simple (or cheap or small) repair (meaning, there is definitely, absolutely, something wrong with it, and nobody can fix it). Caveat emptor! -- Ron ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 9:37:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Anyone watching this auction? I don't think "rare" is a hot button term as much as 'just needs belt' etc. If it's something minor like they state, then they should have it fixed before sale. I've seen the term "rare" used subjectively...just because a unit doesn't show up everyday, doesn't make it rare. Rare to me would be if less than 50,000 units were ever made etc. "Rare" can also work against you if there are no parts available and you have to buy another as a donor.;-) You can be colorful/inventive in your description, but you should always stay true to the facts. Kevin Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:58:56 -0700 From: "Bob Pierce" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <019b01cae288$899392a0$9cbab7e0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Indeed, that is so, but when I describe a dbx 120x-ds as rare and wonderful am I to far over the line? They are great units and I don’t see a lot of them around, hence the description. When I just listed one with the unit number I got $25 less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 18:45:30 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:45:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for Nakamichi 700 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Go to Marrs Communications eBay store. He has all the parts you need. Fred Longworth Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Mitchell, Mike K < mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com> wrote: > I've had my 700 for ~35 years now. I would like to replace all the belts > and other rubber (like the pinch rollers). Where can I get all the belts > and pinch rollers? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frwhl at yahoo.com Sat Apr 24 00:38:16 2010 From: frwhl at yahoo.com (eric benson) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk In-Reply-To: <201004201017.o3KA8FOn020025@zxe.naks.com> References: <201004201017.o3KA8FOn020025@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <661905.52582.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Does anyone have one extra bias cover cap for a ZX-7 or ZX-9, from a parted out deck, for sale?   Thanks Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crazyuky at atlanticbb.net Sat Apr 24 17:24:21 2010 From: crazyuky at atlanticbb.net (crazyuky at atlanticbb.net) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:24:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak dragon repairs Message-ID: I recently gotten a Nak Dragon. I want to have it tested and cleaned and/or repaired. I live in South Florida, does anyone know if there is any Nak specialists down here? If not the best places to ship my deck to get it taken care of. Thank you, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Apr 24 20:43:16 2010 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:43:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone watching this auction? In-Reply-To: <0L1400C2PSU9SS50@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0L1400C2PSU9SS50@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4se6t590nidcroui8fg027f1rodfbmd35i@4ax.com> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:08:40 -0400, Roland wrote: >and does anyone believe this is a new unit? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320516301110&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT > ....... On Apr-15-10 at 08:15:13 PDT, seller added the following information: When I took the additional pictures this morning, I thoroughly examined the unit to see if there were any scratches or other flaws anywhere on the unit. I could not find any. The person who owns the unit it is an older lady from our church who took it to our church rummage sale. I found out about it after the sale was over and it was left unsold. The lady said her husband bought it, then he died a sometime later without ever even taking it out of the box. It has sat in their bedroom for the last 25 years until she recently decided to donate it to the rummage sale. I rescued it after it did not sell for at least $100 and said I would put it on eBay for her as a favor. She said it was very expensive at the time of purchase - I suspect they may have had words about that before her husband died. I'm the pastor's husband. The proceeds will go to the lady who owns it. ............ Hehehe "un-be-liev-a-ble" as Andrew Dice Clay would say. Amen -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2832 - Release Date: 04/24/10 08:31:00 From lenaw at flash.net Sat Apr 24 23:57:58 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak dragon repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <202940.13861.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Send it to Kannan S. He is a forum member here. He will respond to you if you ask. He will take care of it with reasonable price charged. However, his turnaround time may not be the fastest as he is travel during the weekday. I am in past customer and I am happy with his service on my DRAGON and it performs reliably since the last service by him ( three years ago ). He also performs a complete restoration on my 1000ZXL recently as well. Good luck.     Best Regards, Mike  --- On Sat, 4/24/10, crazyuky at atlanticbb.net wrote: From: crazyuky at atlanticbb.net Subject: [naktalk] Nak dragon repairs To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 10:24 AM I recently gotten a Nak Dragon. I want to have it tested and cleaned and/or repaired. I live in South Florida, does anyone know if there is any Nak specialists down here? 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URL: From hitech at birch.net Mon Apr 26 19:24:38 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:24:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk In-Reply-To: <661905.52582.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Eric, I'll send you one free. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of eric benson Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Does anyone have one extra bias cover cap for a ZX-7 or ZX-9, from a parted out deck, for sale? Thanks Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kulak at ozemail.com.au Tue Apr 27 00:52:50 2010 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:52:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? Message-ID: <6EB7EC5FCF08439BA3A1106D966DAA97@corp.halex.com.au> Hi, It apprears that Stephen Sank is back into servicing Nak Tape Decks, take a look at this current listing on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-CR7-Reference-Stereo-Cassette-Tape-DeckRemote_W0QQitemZ220595831594QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item335c89432a Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Apr 27 02:58:42 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? In-Reply-To: <6EB7EC5FCF08439BA3A1106D966DAA97@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: <323229.41602.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That is good news. Nice to have Steve back. --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Steve Kulak wrote: From: Steve Kulak Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:52 PM Hi,   It apprears that Stephen Sank is back into servicing Nak Tape Decks, take a look at this current listing on Ebay.     http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-CR7-Reference-Stereo-Cassette-Tape-DeckRemote_W0QQitemZ220595831594QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item335c89432a     Steve -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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El 27/04/2010, a las 00:52, Steve Kulak escribió: > Hi, > > It apprears that Stephen Sank is back into servicing Nak Tape Decks, take a look at this current listing on Ebay. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-CR7-Reference-Stereo-Cassette-Tape-DeckRemote_W0QQitemZ220595831594QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item335c89432a > > > Steve > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Apr 27 07:14:32 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:14:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? References: <323229.41602.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gentlemen(and ladies) Just because Steve Sank gave a letter/serviced one deck (maybe a friends--or maybe from the old overload of work) it does not mean he is back to servicing Naks! I find it very strange that people can come to conclusions like that! The are still unks of unfinished work stretching over years that he has not cleared out ! Steve Sank is NOT BACK servicing all and sundries' Decks.! If it were so he would have released the message --believe you me! Please accept he has a physical problem and cant cart my unrepaired or repaired deck for international shipping. ! (Apparently international shipping from the USA cannot be picked up at your own front door) That is why he has asked me to have it normally shipped in America (internally) sothat someone can reship it to me internationally ,for which he is prepared to pay! If that does not say it what does? walter ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? That is good news. Nice to have Steve back. --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Steve Kulak wrote: From: Steve Kulak Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:52 PM Hi, It apprears that Stephen Sank is back into servicing Nak Tape Decks, take a look at this current listing on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-CR7-Reference-Stereo-Cassette-Tape-DeckRemote_W0QQitemZ220595831594QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item335c89432a Steve -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Wouter > Hi, > > It apprears that Stephen Sank is back into servicing Nak Tape Decks, take > a look at this current listing on Ebay. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-CR7-Reference-Stereo-Cassette-Tape-DeckRemote_W0QQitemZ220595831594QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item335c89432a > > From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 10:44:43 2010 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:44:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? In-Reply-To: References: <6EB7EC5FCF08439BA3A1106D966DAA97@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: Wouter, It's not his auction, although I appreciate your sentiment and sympathise with it. George On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Yes and he appears to be one of those people who shamelessly copy content > from a certain website and pastes it in his auction without crediting. > One of the reasons why this will not be possible anymore really soon i > predict! > > Wouter > > > Hi, > > > > It apprears that Stephen Sank is back into servicing Nak Tape Decks, take > > a look at this current listing on Ebay. > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-CR7-Reference-Stereo-Cassette-Tape-DeckRemote_W0QQitemZ220595831594QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item335c89432a > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Apr 27 16:43:38 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <567611.1395.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Surprise that he and his wife are engaged in making ribbon mikes in quantities/ replies messages in diyaudio site whenever CD player mods are mentioned ( including he offers to service museatex DACs) - I am watching this drama for sometime. I also see other items like DVD players serviced by him on ebay - but how do you believe that he has problem only in returning some of the old nak customer items - he cannot ask his wife to cart the deck to international shipper or his neighbour? kannan --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Walter Drewes wrote: From: Walter Drewes Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 1:14 AM Gentlemen(and ladies) Just because Steve Sank gave a letter/serviced one deck (maybe a friends--or maybe from the old overload of work) it does not mean he is back to servicing Naks! I find it very strange that people can come to conclusions like that! The are still unks of unfinished work stretching over years that he has not cleared out ! Steve Sank is NOT BACK servicing all and sundries' Decks.! If it were so he would have released the message --believe you me! Please accept he has a physical problem and cant cart my unrepaired or repaired deck for international shipping. ! (Apparently international shipping from the USA cannot be picked up at your own front door) That is why he has asked me to have it normally shipped in America (internally) sothat someone can reship it to me internationally ,for which he is prepared to pay! If that does not say it what does? walter ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? That is good news. Nice to have Steve back. --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Steve Kulak wrote: From: Steve Kulak Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:52 PM Hi,   It apprears that Stephen Sank is back into servicing Nak Tape Decks, take a look at this current listing on Ebay.     http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-CR7-Reference-Stereo-Cassette-Tape-DeckRemote_W0QQitemZ220595831594QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item335c89432a     Steve -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2836 - Release Date: 04/26/10 06:31:00 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Wed Apr 28 03:23:17 2010 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (KEVIN ROGERS) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <943919.55194.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You deal with Stephen Sank at your peril. If he can't ship internationally, that implies that he can within the US. The fact is that he has not. He has "misappropriated" by failing to return decks and then ignoring communications from people that I know (and me, but since I live in Canada and thus "international" I guess I am SOL) I can't say it any plainer. Yes, he is a good tech. That is no licence to steal.   Kevin Rogers --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Walter Drewes wrote: From: Walter Drewes Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 5:14 AM Gentlemen(and ladies) Just because Steve Sank gave a letter/serviced one deck (maybe a friends--or maybe from the old overload of work) it does not mean he is back to servicing Naks! I find it very strange that people can come to conclusions like that! The are still unks of unfinished work stretching over years that he has not cleared out ! Steve Sank is NOT BACK servicing all and sundries' Decks.! If it were so he would have released the message --believe you me! Please accept he has a physical problem and cant cart my unrepaired or repaired deck for international shipping. ! (Apparently international shipping from the USA cannot be picked up at your own front door) That is why he has asked me to have it normally shipped in America (internally) sothat someone can reship it to me internationally ,for which he is prepared to pay! If that does not say it what does? walter ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? That is good news. Nice to have Steve back. --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Steve Kulak wrote: From: Steve Kulak Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank back in servicing Naks? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:52 PM Hi,   It apprears that Stephen Sank is back into servicing Nak Tape Decks, take a look at this current listing on Ebay.     http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-CR7-Reference-Stereo-Cassette-Tape-DeckRemote_W0QQitemZ220595831594QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item335c89432a     Steve -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= No virus found in this incoming message. 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I got this Deck One on eBay a couple years ago, intended for getting the best playback of existing tapes, mainly for transcription to digital, thanks to playback azimuth control. Sold as working, of course it didn't work. RW and FF work but not play, could simply require idler wheel. The deck is not a mint piece, with scratches on top, but it's not a rustbucket either. IMO any decent Deck One is worthy of repair and refurb, it was one of the lesser known greats, now becoming not-so-lesser-known. (I've also got a beautiful working RX-505 and a still-barely-working-with-bailing-wire-hacks 600 and a functional but not reversing RX-202 and a soon-to-be-sold factory-refurbished-in-box TD-500. It's the pending sale of the TD-500 that has got me motivated to get my Deck One fixed, got to have SOMETHING with playback azimuth adjustment.) I had hoped to get a Dragon for transcription purposes, but had back luck (won a rustbucket tape-eater, managed to get seller to take it back, that and looking at the service manual cured my Dragon itch). So now I want to get it fixed, aligned, even limited refurb (replacement of rubber and most-likely-to-fail caps), but not full rebuild. Good quality work at moderate cost. Where can I get such repair-with-limited-refurb? Charles From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Apr 29 17:50:39 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:50:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Need to get my Cassette Deck One fixed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's what I do. Contact me off NakTalk if your interested. Willy www.willyhs.com On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Charles Peterson wrote: > Have a number of Naks, some working, some waiting for repair. > > I got this Deck One on eBay a couple years ago, intended for getting the > best playback of existing tapes, mainly for transcription to digital, thanks > to playback azimuth control. Sold as working, of course it didn't work. RW > and FF work but not play, could simply require idler wheel. The deck is not > a mint piece, with scratches on top, but it's not a rustbucket either. IMO > any decent Deck One is worthy of repair and refurb, it was one of the lesser > known greats, now becoming not-so-lesser-known. (I've also got a beautiful > working RX-505 and a still-barely-working-with-bailing-wire-hacks 600 and a > functional but not reversing RX-202 and a soon-to-be-sold > factory-refurbished-in-box TD-500. It's the pending sale of the TD-500 that > has got me motivated to get my Deck One fixed, got to have SOMETHING with > playback azimuth adjustment.) I had hoped to get a Dragon for transcription > purposes, but had back luck (won a rustbucket tape-eater, managed to get > seller to take it bac! > k, that and looking at the service manual cured my Dragon itch). > > So now I want to get it fixed, aligned, even limited refurb (replacement of > rubber and most-likely-to-fail caps), but not full rebuild. Good quality > work at moderate cost. > > Where can I get such repair-with-limited-refurb? > > Charles > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.geiger at lycos.com Thu Apr 29 20:13:56 2010 From: jeff.geiger at lycos.com (jeff.geiger at lycos.com) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need to get my Cassette Deck One fixed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9924482.154671272564836731.JavaMail.root@mail-zbox2.bo3.lycos.com> I, too, have a Nak that needs a little service, but I live in Virginia and would prefer someone local. Does anyone know of a decent Nak technician in the DC-Richmond area? Many years ago I bought a 1980 Nak 480z from a place in Bethesda, MD, but I can't recall the name and I doubt they deal with tape decks anymore. The unit I am using now is a 1995 DR-2 that just needs a basic "tune-up". I would also be interested in getting my 480z looked at. It wasn't sounding good, so I took it to a place in Richmond (that I suspect doesn't know much about tape decks). They told me the head was "old and beyond repair", but I would like a second opinion on that. Thanks. -Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willy Hermann" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:50:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need to get my Cassette Deck One fixed That's what I do.  Contact me off NakTalk if your interested. Willy www.willyhs.com On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Charles Peterson < charlesp at sfbrgenetics.org > wrote: Have a number of Naks, some working, some waiting for repair. I got this Deck One on eBay a couple years ago, intended for getting the best playback of existing tapes, mainly for transcription to digital, thanks to playback azimuth control.  Sold as working, of course it didn't work.  RW and FF work but not play, could simply require idler wheel.  The deck is not a mint piece, with scratches on top, but it's not a rustbucket either.  IMO any decent Deck One is worthy of repair and refurb, it was one of the lesser known greats, now becoming not-so-lesser-known.  (I've also got a beautiful working RX-505 and a still-barely-working-with-bailing-wire-hacks 600 and a functional but not reversing RX-202 and a soon-to-be-sold factory-refurbished-in-box TD-500.  It's the pending sale of the TD-500 that has got me motivated to get my Deck One fixed, got to have SOMETHING with playback azimuth adjustment.)  I had hoped to get a Dragon for transcription purposes, but had back luck (won a rustbucket tape-eater, managed to get seller to take it bac!  k, that and looking at the service manual cured my Dragon itch). So now I want to get it fixed, aligned, even limited refurb (replacement of rubber and most-likely-to-fail caps), but not full rebuild.  Good quality work at moderate cost. Where can I get such repair-with-limited-refurb? Charles ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Apr 30 13:35:13 2010 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham @ Google) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:35:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Re animating Rechargeable batteries Message-ID: I wonder if anyone can remember the advice of Stephan Sank with regard to reanimating Sony DAT rechargeable batteries that will not hold a charge. I think it involved using a P9 battery and contacting the _ and + of it on and off repeatedly with the - and + of the rechargeable battery. I cannot recall what was the optimum number of times or. Anyone? Graham g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2010\2010-August.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Aug 2 12:05:24 2010 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 20:05:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade out Message-ID: I am having a problem with playback on my ZX-9. When I play a tape, the sound soon starts to deteriorate and fades out, usually taking 8 to 10 seconds. It does this with old Type 1 tapes and also with newer Type 2 and 3 tapes. Strangely I have one XDR quality system tape that takes a lot longer to fade but it does after a minute or so. I demagged the heads but no different. Yesterday, this all improved after the deck had been running for an hour but not today. I left it running for 9 hours and then tried it but the fade still occurs. I would appreciate any clues on what to look for. David From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Mon Aug 2 14:42:58 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:42:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade out References: Message-ID: Sounds to me that the tape is not in good contact with the head. Try to clean the pressure rollers and head and check that the rollers turns freely. If this does not help you need to check allignments of the mechanism. This could be tricky if you dont have the right tools. Good luck/Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thompson" To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade out >I am having a problem with playback on my ZX-9. > When I play a tape, the sound soon starts to deteriorate and fades out, > usually taking 8 to 10 seconds. It does this with old Type 1 tapes and > also > with newer Type 2 and 3 tapes. Strangely I have one XDR quality system > tape > that takes a lot longer to fade but it does after a minute or so. I > demagged > the heads but no different. > > Yesterday, this all improved after the deck had been running for an hour > but > not today. I left it running for 9 hours and then tried it but the fade > still occurs. > > I would appreciate any clues on what to look for. > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Aug 2 15:48:53 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 06:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <342399.55246.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It could be Capstan belt issue - The speed differential between capstans are not enough - also with ZX 9 DD motor Kannan --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Pär Ericsson wrote: From: Pär Ericsson Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade out To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 8:42 AM Sounds to me that the tape is not in good contact with the head. Try to clean the pressure rollers and head and check that the rollers turns freely. If this does not help you need to check allignments of the mechanism. This could be tricky if you dont have the right tools. Good luck/Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thompson" To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade out > I am having a problem with playback on my ZX-9. > When I play a tape, the sound soon starts to deteriorate and fades out, > usually taking 8 to 10 seconds. It does this with old Type 1 tapes and also > with newer Type 2 and 3 tapes. Strangely I have one XDR quality system tape > that takes a lot longer to fade but it does after a minute or so. I demagged > the heads but no different. > > Yesterday, this all improved after the deck had been running for an hour but > not today. I left it running for 9 hours and then tried it but the fade > still occurs. > > I would appreciate any clues on what to look for. > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 18:22:53 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 09:22:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check the pinch roller arm pivot bearings. These can get sticky and cause the tape-to-tape-head contact pressure to go way down. In other words, the tape will pull away slightly from the head, with resulting loss of amplitude and frequency response. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:05 AM, David Thompson wrote: > I am having a problem with playback on my ZX-9. > When I play a tape, the sound soon starts to deteriorate and fades out, > usually taking 8 to 10 seconds. It does this with old Type 1 tapes and also > with newer Type 2 and 3 tapes. Strangely I have one XDR quality system tape > that takes a lot longer to fade but it does after a minute or so. I > demagged > the heads but no different. > > Yesterday, this all improved after the deck had been running for an hour > but > not today. I left it running for 9 hours and then tried it but the fade > still occurs. > > I would appreciate any clues on what to look for. > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Tue Aug 3 12:35:52 2010 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:35:52 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade Message-ID: Thanks for the comments on this. John Gipps suggested a good clean of the tape path. Several cleans of the rollers corrected the problem and it is playing well again. David >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 20:05:24 +1000 >From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade out >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I am having a problem with playback on my ZX-9. >When I play a tape, the sound soon starts to deteriorate and fades out, usually taking 8 to 10 seconds. It does this with old Type 1 tapes and also with newer Type 2 and 3 tapes. Strangely I have one XDR quality system tape that takes a lot longer to fade but it does after a minute or so. I demagged the heads but no different. >Yesterday, this all improved after the deck had been running for an hour but not today. I left it running for 9 hours and then tried it but the fade still occurs. >I would appreciate any clues on what to look for. > David From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 17:47:23 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 08:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FS: Heathkit IT-12 signal tracer, fully restored, with manual. Message-ID: <927040.79799.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> For sale, a fully restored Heathkit IT-12 Signal Tracer, in good working condition. Comes with a complete copy of the manual, also in good condition. Signal tracers are very useful for troubleshooting audio equipment, such as cassette decks. Just to explain what I mean by 'fully restored': I took the unit completely apart, down to the last screw, nut, resistor and cap (re-kitted it, so to speak). I Refurbished, cleaned, or repaired all parts, to get them to the best condition possible. Any that did not meet specs were replaced. All composition resistors were automatically replaced with deposited film type (that are far more stable), of same or tighter tolerance. The line cord was replaced with a polarized one. The probe, that originally was attached to the unit, is now removable (I used a 1/4" phono jack and plug). I then assembled the resulting 'kit'. Since then, the unit was lightly used. For those that are not familiar with this very popular signal tracer, be aware that sound quality is not exactly 'high fidelity'. There is some internal hum and distortion rises at high levels. Input sensitivity is high -- when testing a line level signal, the tracer volume control position will be at 5% to 10%. All this is on par with other IT-12 tracers. Cosmetically, the unit is just fair. While the front panel was cleaned and buffed, it does have some blemishes (ask for photo). Operationally, the unit works fine. Input is very sensitive, as it should. The 'magic eye' is nice and bright. I offer no warranty, except for the accuracy of the above. Sold 'as is'. $45 plus actual shipping of 5 lb. from zip 01702, as shown on the UPS web site.. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 21:17:01 2010 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:17:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] FS: Heathkit IT-12 signal tracer, fully restored, with manual. In-Reply-To: <927040.79799.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <927040.79799.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8629814635121802206@unknownmsgid> If you've had not takers yet, I'll bite. What shipping works for you to Anchorage, AK? (99502) On Aug 3, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Ron wrote: For sale, a fully restored Heathkit IT-12 Signal Tracer, in good working condition. Comes with a complete copy of the manual, also in good condition. Signal tracers are very useful for troubleshooting audio equipment, such as cassette decks. Just to explain what I mean by 'fully restored': I took the unit completely apart, down to the last screw, nut, resistor and cap (re-kitted it, so to speak). I Refurbished, cleaned, or repaired all parts, to get them to the best condition possible. Any that did not meet specs were replaced. All composition resistors were automatically replaced with deposited film type (that are far more stable), of same or tighter tolerance. The line cord was replaced with a polarized one. The probe, that originally was attached to the unit, is now removable (I used a 1/4" phono jack and plug). I then assembled the resulting 'kit'. Since then, the unit was lightly used. For those that are not familiar with this very popular signal tracer, be aware that sound quality is not exactly 'high fidelity'. There is some internal hum and distortion rises at high levels. Input sensitivity is high -- when testing a line level signal, the tracer volume control position will be at 5% to 10%. All this is on par with other IT-12 tracers. Cosmetically, the unit is just fair. While the front panel was cleaned and buffed, it does have some blemishes (ask for photo). Operationally, the unit works fine. Input is very sensitive, as it should. The 'magic eye' is nice and bright. I offer no warranty, except for the accuracy of the above. Sold 'as is'. $45 plus actual shipping of 5 lb. from zip 01702, as shown on the UPS web site.. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 4 23:22:07 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:22:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Cassette Deck Stops While Playing a Cassette Message-ID: Upon receiving a Nakamichi 600 cassette deck, I noticed the rewind and tape counter wasn't working. Removing the cover and doing a cleaning of the belt and pulley, the rewind now works properly. I'm not sure if this fixed the deck but it can rewind a 90 minute tape. Towards the end of the tape, the rewind is working sluggishly. Anyway, one problem left - The tape counter is not working. I removed the face plate and noticed this is a mechanical tape counter, therefore no belt is used. The tape counter works up to the point where it's slipping at the first wheel of numbers (0 - 9) on it. Playing a 90 minute tape, the tape plays fine, but goes into stop mode slightly over 1/2 through playing the tape. I played a cassette with 22 minutes on one side and it played all the way through. It seems the deck is going into stop mode while playing a tape like the memory button is engaged, but it's not. All three different 90 minute tapes seemed to stop at the same point while playing. Any advice on what to do or look for before disassembling the deck again and getting the counter to work? Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 00:53:43 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 600 Cassette Deck Stops While Playing a Cassette In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <134141.79731.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> i had a similar issue with my 600 after it had been sat unused for 23 years(!), from 1981 until 2004. it would only play for about 2 minutes before stopping. so i had it rehabbed in 2004 by a regional repair service here in new england. unfortunately, i did not ask or get a detailed report on the repairs and i now wish i had done so. they did say they had to 'make' some rubber part. so i don't really know, pinch roller? just a guess. at any rate, it's been running (and sounding) like a champ since the rehab. i try to listen to music on it a few times per month. and speedy ff/rw on these decks has never been one of their stronger points (so the repair service tech told me). that issue was supposedly 'fixed' on the 60 II machines. sorry to not be of more help. please keep us informed as to your progress. --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] 600 Cassette Deck Stops While Playing a Cassette To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 2:22 PM Upon receiving a Nakamichi 600 cassette deck, I noticed the rewind and tape counter wasn't working. Removing the cover and doing a cleaning of the belt and pulley, the rewind now works properly. I'm not sure if this fixed the deck but it can rewind a 90 minute tape. Towards the end of the tape, the rewind is working sluggishly. Anyway, one problem left - The tape counter is not working. I removed the face plate and noticed this is a mechanical tape counter, therefore no belt is used. The tape counter works up to the point where it's slipping at the first wheel of numbers (0 - 9) on it. Playing a 90 minute tape, the tape plays fine, but goes into stop mode slightly over 1/2 through playing  the tape. I played a cassette with 22 minutes on one side and it played all the way through. It seems the deck is going into stop mode while playing a tape like the memory button is engaged, but it's not. All three different 90 minute tapes seemed to stop at the same point while playing. Any advice on what to do or look for before disassembling the deck again and getting the counter to work? Thank you. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry75115 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 04:47:54 2010 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with CR-7A Message-ID: <147134.19411.qm@web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I just bought a CR-7A Nakamichi recorder. I found out that the FF/RW is not working. Are there any step-by-step instructions that will show me how to fix this problem?   Any help is appreciated. Terry     -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 15:25:13 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 06:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with CR-7A In-Reply-To: <147134.19411.qm@web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <127579.23212.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The two most likely faults that can cause this symptom are: one, a worn idler tire and two, a bad reel motor. Does the  deck reliably and consistently play tapes, start to finish? If so, the reel motor is less likely to be bad. To check the idler, remove the cassette back-plate (remove the cassette door, then remove the two tiny screws at the top of the plate and gently pull it away). The idler is sitting dead center between the two hubs. If it's a white plastic gear, stop there -- it's not the cause of the problem. If its a wheel with a black rubber tire, clean the periphery of the tire and the two hubs with a Q-top damped with alcohol, again and again, until these surfaces are squeaky clean. This above has to be done very carefully -- if you break the flimsy idler supprt, the deck is in serious trouble, as the part is unobtainable. If cleaning solves the problem (probably, temporarily) the idler has to be replaced. It's available on the 'inet for prices ranging from a few cents to a few dollars, as are instructions for doing it. (BTW, you may want to read these instruction even before starting, as they would cover accessing the idler in greater detail.) If neither part is the faulty, the trouble is probably electronic and diagnosing it is beyond the capability of the average hobbyist. Good luck, -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with CR-7A To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 10:47 PM I just bought a CR-7A Nakamichi recorder. I found out that the FF/RW is not working. Are there any step-by-step instructions that will show me how to fix this problem?   Any help is appreciated. Terry     -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Thu Aug 5 22:25:05 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:25:05 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [naktalk] 600 Cassette Deck Stops While Playing a Cassette In-Reply-To: <201008051006.o75A04Db025315@zxe.naks.com> References: <201008051006.o75A04Db025315@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <27c51654c9a55514d45aa3640c866156.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Mark, >From your description, this is a common problem with the 600/600II.. had this problem on all of mine. this is where I would look first: The mechanical counter is belt driven off the left spool (IIRC) and the auto stop is also mounted under and is part of the counter mechanism. When the counter stops turning, the auto stop activates....... Replace that that belt.. it is a bit fiddly.. and your deck should then play right through to the end fine. Might as well do the capstan belt whilst you are under the bonnet and give her a lube. >From memory, the tape spools are direct driven, they have a rubber tyre rim and that is possibly hardened or glazed... a good clean will help improve the FF/RW performance. These are great sounding, robust decks and despite their age, quite serviceable. Love them. Snaffle a copy of the SM from the Nak Wiki or ebaman as a guide. These decks are not belt critical, but Fred sells good belt kits for these decks if you want a one stop shop. Good luck, cheers, Martin > > Upon receiving a Nakamichi 600 cassette deck, I noticed the rewind and > tape counter wasn't working. > Removing the cover and doing a cleaning of the belt and pulley, the rewind > now works properly. > I'm not sure if this fixed the deck but it can rewind a 90 minute tape. > Towards the end of the tape, the rewind is working sluggishly. > > Anyway, one problem left - > The tape counter is not working. > I removed the face plate and noticed this is a mechanical tape counter, > therefore no belt is used. > The tape counter works up to the point where it's slipping at the first > wheel of numbers (0 - 9) on it. > Playing a 90 minute tape, the tape plays fine, but goes into stop mode > slightly over 1/2 through playing > the tape. > I played a cassette with 22 minutes on one side and it played all the way > through. > It seems the deck is going into stop mode while playing a tape like the > memory button is engaged, but > it's not. > All three different 90 minute tapes seemed to stop at the same point while > playing. > > Any advice on what to do or look for before disassembling the deck again > and getting the counter to work? > > Thank you. > From srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com Thu Aug 5 14:55:46 2010 From: srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com (Seshadri, Srinath) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 08:55:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 In-Reply-To: <147134.19411.qm@web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <147134.19411.qm@web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I just got one of those and it seems to have a rewind problem. It seems to try to rewind but does not. Is this the dreaded transport problem ? Now it plays and forwards well though. Thanks. Srinath. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 08:17:51 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 23:17:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 In-Reply-To: <243486.16126.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <243486.16126.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have found that replacing the idler tire must be done very carefully, or the idler arm assembly can be damaged. This is particularly common when someone tries to replace the tire in situ, rather that removing the idler from its shaft. It's also important not to lose the retainer that holds the idler on its shaft. I've seen amazing substitutes by other so-called "techs" when the retainer got lost in the carpet. Finally there are several tires available online. Those from Marrs Communications are best. Fred (who will soon be doing an "orange film capacitor" mass replacement on a customer's BX-300.) www.repairaudio.com On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Ron wrote: > > This could very well be a worn idler tire. Why 'dreaded'? > A new tire was less than a buck, last I looked, and takes > but a few minutes to replace. > > -- Ron > > > > > > --- On *Thu, 8/5/10, Seshadri, Srinath >* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 8:55 AM > > I just got one of those and it seems to have a rewind problem. > > It seems to try to rewind but does not. > > Is this the dreaded transport problem ? > > > > Now it plays and forwards well though. > > Thanks. > > Srinath. > ------------------------------ > This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential or proprietary. 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A new tire was less than a buck, last I looked, and takes but a few minutes to replace. -- Ron --- On Thu, 8/5/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 8:55 AM I just got one of those and it seems to have a rewind problem. It seems to try to rewind but does not. Is this the dreaded transport problem ? Now it plays and forwards well though. Thanks. Srinath. ________________________________ This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 19:53:06 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:53:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 In-Reply-To: References: <243486.16126.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The "transport mechanism" is a curious term. Commonly, it refers to the entire mechanism that *moves the tape --* hence, the word "transport". Technically, the heads would not be part of the transport mechanism; but most people would consider them to be so. A similar expression is "tape drive." The term originated back in reel-to-reel days, when, quite frequently, the mechanical section that ran the tape was physically separate from the "box" that contained the electronics. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Seshadri, Srinath < srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com> wrote: > I thought the “transport mechanism” was something else, like the entire > moving assembly – idler Let me look in it Thanks so much. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 9:47 PM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 > > > > > This could very well be a worn idler tire. Why 'dreaded'? > A new tire was less than a buck, last I looked, and takes > but a few minutes to replace. > > -- Ron > > > > > > --- On *Thu, 8/5/10, Seshadri, Srinath >* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 8:55 AM > > I just got one of those and it seems to have a rewind problem. > > It seems to try to rewind but does not. > > Is this the dreaded transport problem ? > > > > Now it plays and forwards well though. > > Thanks. > > Srinath. > ------------------------------ > > This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential or proprietary. 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So did you find out what it does / is for? -Mikkel -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3057 - Release Date: 08/07/10 20:12:00 From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Aug 8 15:28:06 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 06:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi BX-100, black, excellent condition Message-ID: <423795.24997.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> For sale: a very nice Nakamichi BX-100 deck. Black. Made for 120VAC power line. Includes copies of both the Owner's and service manuals. Cosmetically very clean, in and out. No scratches anywhere. Some very slight discoloring due to age. Mechanical condition is also very good, with clean capstans, good pinch rollers and no visible head wear at all. The idler tire is new. Operationally, everything works well, sounds like it should. Manufactured in the 3rd quarter of 1986. For further description and picture please see the naks.com site. (I could provide a picture of this specific deck, but it won't look any different than a stock picture). Asking $65 plus actual shipping (or pick up in the Boston Metro west area, ZIP 01702) -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry75115 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 00:37:38 2010 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL Message-ID: <673079.68558.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I screwed up. First I lost the small milky white washer on the idler wheel. Then second, I lost the whole idler wheel. Because I didn't have the washer on there, the idler wheel fell out and I can't find it anywhere.   So, can someone help me? The Nakamichi I'm working on is a CR-7A. Does anyone have a spare idler wheel (with washer) they can sell me? If not, will a BX-1 idler wheel work just as well?   Any help is appreciated. Terry   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Aug 9 02:16:30 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 17:16:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL In-Reply-To: <673079.68558.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <673079.68558.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Terry, I hate to say this . . . but when I drop something crucial to a mechanism at my repair shop, I keep looking until I find it. Place a towel on the work table, pick up the CR-7A, turn it upside down and shake it. Give it a gentle slap on the sidepanel. Things often fall inside machines and get lodged somewhere -- shaking teases them out. If I know where something dropped from, I'll sometimes drop another thing, and watch where it bounces or rolls to. If I know it's on the floor, I'll grub around the floor with a flashlight. If it's a hard floor, I'll sweep the area into a dustpan. If carpeting, I'll use one of those manual carpet sweepers. Hope this helps. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Terry Houchins wrote: > I screwed up. > First I lost the small milky white washer on the idler wheel. > Then second, I lost the whole idler wheel. > Because I didn't have the washer on there, the idler wheel fell out and I > can't find it anywhere. > > So, can someone help me? > The Nakamichi I'm working on is a CR-7A. > Does anyone have a spare idler wheel (with washer) they can sell me? > If not, will a BX-1 idler wheel work just as well? > > Any help is appreciated. > Terry > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From David.King at usq.edu.au Mon Aug 9 02:34:23 2010 From: David.King at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:34:23 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers Message-ID: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Hi all I am seeking some comments from the general Nak community, particularly those engaged in refurbishing older units to their former glory. In particular, your past experience with playback head wear and general condition. Thus far I have refurbished a 481, 482, a 670 and am about to do my own ZX-9 which I have owned from new. The interesting observation I have made in all three of the older Naks I have worked on is that the PB head is quite worn, and in every case it has been the right channel that suffers the most. For example, with the equaliser resistors set to default and the gap compensation resistors in the 'un-shorted' state, the left channel of the above mentioned units all have a frequency response of no worse than -1.5dB to -2 dB below -20dB reference level right out to 20kHz. The right channel however, in all three decks shows a fall off in some cases as bad as -12dB at 15kHz and above. When inspected closely, wear can certainly be seen with a flattening out of the profile towards the centre of the head. I have also swapped head wires and in every case can confirm that the channel electronics are fine. All of these decks have been mechanically refurbished and had all polypropylene and key coupling caps replaced. I am using a response tape made on my ZX-9 (which is in excellent condition with no visible head wear due to low hours), and have confirmed that the levels on tape a equal between channels...I am also using a 'Luis' 15kHz azimuth tape which quickly shows the deficiency on the right channel at that spot frequency. All frequencies below about 8kHz are essentially flat on both channels. My questions to those refurbishing these units are:- Do you find that it is the right channel that presents with the most wear and/or gap loss in these old units? Do you content yourselves with equaliser adjustments and compensating for gap loss to flatten out the response as much as possible? Does anybody try the as yet unsuccessful (for me anyway) method of purchasing parts only decks of the same age in the optimistic hope that the PB heads may be in better condition? Have I just been unlucky with my purchases in terms of head wear? In every other respect these desks are in immaculate condition...well looked after (except the parts decks). Sorry for the long post, but I am interesting in hearing anyone's comments. By way of background, I don't own a T-100, but have access to all other test gear including RTA analyser, oscilloscope, test oscillators, Willy's alignment gauge, a set of Luis's home made alignment tapes, along with my own made on the ZX-9. I don't unfortunately own any genuine Nak alignment tapes, or any of the Nak gauges. However I have enough I think to reliably observe this consistent asymmetric head wear. Thanks for any comments you may have on this... Regards David This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Aug 9 11:47:53 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 and Dragon parts needed Message-ID: <1982921011.1444416.1281347273335.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone have for sale, or know of a suitable replacement or source for the opto coupler found on the switch PCB of a ZX-7 (or ZX-9, same board/part)? It is listed as part Cds1. I would be willing to purchase the whole PCB, or possibly the whole parts deck (I could use a logic/power supply board too!). Without a working opto coupler you can never record, only the cal tones record. And a year plus later, I'm STILL looking for a rewind button (double arrows pointing left) for a Dragon, just the part you push (and any spring assembly behind it, no electronics). I had a switch lined up and we traded emails for months, but he would never give me a price and just stopped answering emails. Thanks! Perry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 14:13:13 2010 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 05:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL In-Reply-To: <673079.68558.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <675948.19276.qm@web50007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wow well that little washer is some times a bit of a pain in the neck to get off but someone on this site or maybe somewhere else said you could use some scotch tape to keep it from going air born. Now about the Idler tire yea I think the tire and washer will work of the BX-1 or you can get both these off ebay  good luck  Russ --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 5:37 PM I screwed up. First I lost the small milky white washer on the idler wheel. Then second, I lost the whole idler wheel. Because I didn't have the washer on there, the idler wheel fell out and I can't find it anywhere.   So, can someone help me? The Nakamichi I'm working on is a CR-7A. Does anyone have a spare idler wheel (with washer) they can sell me? If not, will a BX-1 idler wheel work just as well?   Any help is appreciated. Terry   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 15:24:32 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL In-Reply-To: <673079.68558.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <173555.1789.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > ... will a BX-1 idler wheel work just as well? The P/N for the BX-1 and CR-7 reel motor assemblies are not the same. However, the two are very similar, so, if I were in your predicament, I would certainly try it. I've seen the retainer washer for sale for $3. Sorry, can't remember where. BTW, when replacing the idler and retainer washer, do be extra careful not to break the idler arm.  It's very flimsy and replacement is at least as diffucult to find as the idelr itself. -- Ron --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 6:37 PM I screwed up. First I lost the small milky white washer on the idler wheel. Then second, I lost the whole idler wheel. Because I didn't have the washer on there, the idler wheel fell out and I can't find it anywhere.   So, can someone help me? The Nakamichi I'm working on is a CR-7A. Does anyone have a spare idler wheel (with washer) they can sell me? If not, will a BX-1 idler wheel work just as well?   Any help is appreciated. Terry   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 15:01:17 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL In-Reply-To: <673079.68558.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <673079.68558.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <190425.10792.qm@web55101.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Terry, try Jeff Galin at Electronics Service Labs (eslabs.com) at 860-529-3700.  He has a large supply of original Nak parts, and might have these. Jayson ________________________________ From: Terry Houchins To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 6:37:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL I screwed up. First I lost the small milky white washer on the idler wheel. Then second, I lost the whole idler wheel. Because I didn't have the washer on there, the idler wheel fell out and I can't find it anywhere. So, can someone help me? The Nakamichi I'm working on is a CR-7A. 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URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 15:26:07 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL In-Reply-To: <675948.19276.qm@web50007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <913655.12600.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> mr. houchins, not sure if this applies to your deck but here is an i-tire replacement guide courtesy of ESL, http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Russ Seals wrote: From: Russ Seals Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 5:13 AM Wow well that little washer is some times a bit of a pain in the neck to get off but someone on this site or maybe somewhere else said you could use some scotch tape to keep it from going air born. Now about the Idler tire yea I think the tire and washer will work of the BX-1 or you can get both these off ebay  good luck  Russ --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 5:37 PM I screwed up. First I lost the small milky white washer on the idler wheel. Then second, I lost the whole idler wheel. Because I didn't have the washer on there, the idler wheel fell out and I can't find it anywhere.   So, can someone help me? The Nakamichi I'm working on is a CR-7A. Does anyone have a spare idler wheel (with washer) they can sell me? If not, will a BX-1 idler wheel work just as well?   Any help is appreciated. Terry   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 17:53:27 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <850934.5877.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Fred I have never found any Orange Caps on BX300 giving problems - surprsingly ony older Nak transport machines like 680/670/582/480/ZX7/9 and 700/1000ZXL 700ZXE all show orange cap failing including Older Dragons while none of the Sankyo transport machines never had shown orange cap issues.   Kannan --- On Sat, 8/7/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, August 7, 2010, 2:17 AM I have found that replacing the idler tire must be done very carefully, or the idler arm assembly can be damaged. This is particularly common when someone tries to replace the tire in situ, rather that removing the idler from its shaft. It's also important not to lose the retainer that holds the idler on its shaft. I've seen amazing substitutes by other so-called "techs" when the retainer got lost in the carpet. Finally there are several tires available online. Those from Marrs Communications are best. Fred (who will soon be doing an "orange film capacitor" mass replacement on a customer's BX-300.) www.repairaudio.com On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Ron wrote: This could very well be a worn idler tire. Why 'dreaded'? A new tire was less than a buck, last I looked, and takes but a few minutes to replace. -- Ron --- On Thu, 8/5/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 8:55 AM I just got one of those and it seems to have a rewind problem. It seems to try to rewind but does not. Is this the dreaded transport problem ?   Now it plays and forwards well though. Thanks. Srinath. This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Mon Aug 9 19:42:49 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:42:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers In-Reply-To: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <3B6DB641-C82B-4558-9410-6CC55D69E6AA@gmail.com> Am 09.08.2010 um 02:34 schrieb David King: > Hi david King, You can check your heads by change the cannel from left to right. Pull the pb head connector from the pb amplifier, read the Service Manual to do the change between the channels only . Not from minus to plus ! Use a 400 hz Test tape first, after that the 15kHz Test tape to align. Check the head performances that way. If your Nak Problem does does not go from right to the left cannel, check the electronics again. regards gerhard > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 21:04:22 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers In-Reply-To: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <453352.19768.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For Naks, the head intgrity is checked by Nak reference 400 Hz tape first and adjusting the playback level to make it 0dB. IF the playback preset ( that much deviation is allowed!) is not achieving this result, then the head is faulty.   The HF response will have to be adjusted by the shorting resistor as around -2 to -3 dB is normally allowed for any play head. I do not see this as- head needing replacement ! I had once replaced  a Dragon playhead , within about 10 hrs of play HF response was not near the same between Left and right. That is why the shorting resistors are present! Finally you need exteremly wide bandwidth Multimeter to check 20 Khz response along with brand new coupling and equalizing caps/inductors in the entire nak playback chain ( contains a good number of caps! they are all responsible for what you observe) Good reason to replace all of them if you want fantastic HF response!  Number of times the response deviations are due to the components than the head ! ( if they are showing within + or -2 db response deviations ( remember -3 db is about 50% of the signal !) they are fine.  If you cannot adjust the response within -2db that means still +or -1db between channels are acceptable- then only the Head is not OK. I have never observed the type of deviation you note ( looks to me you need Nak test tapes and gauges first). also please read 1000 ZXL play /record head alignment procedure to understand what I mean.   The azimuth tape is supposed to be used only 5 or 6 times maximum as 15 khz or 20 Khz azimuth tape itself looses its HF response as you use. Finally I cannot accept any other replacement tape other than Nakamichi reference tape as acceptable for this test ( Tape integrity cannot be gauranteed) I am not saying that Louis Tapes cannot be used but I cannot gaurantee the results with such tapes as much as the Nakmichi original tapes. I have not seen so far one replacement for Nakmichi original tapes as good. Play the Nakmichi original tape and observe the output on an Oscilloscope and compare tapes made on Nakmichi decks you will understand what I mean   Kannan    --- On Sun, 8/8/10, David King wrote: From: David King Subject: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 8:34 PM Hi all   I am seeking some comments from the general Nak community, particularly those engaged in refurbishing older units to their former glory.  In particular, your past experience with playback head wear and general condition.  Thus far I have refurbished a 481, 482, a 670 and am about to do my own ZX-9 which I have owned from new.  The interesting observation I have made in all three of the older Naks I have worked on is that the PB head is quite worn, and in every case it has been the right channel that suffers the most.  For example, with the equaliser resistors set to default and the gap compensation resistors in the ‘un-shorted’ state, the left channel of the above mentioned units all have a frequency response of no worse than -1.5dB to -2 dB below -20dB reference level right out to 20kHz.  The right channel however, in all three decks shows a fall off in some cases as bad as -12dB at 15kHz and above.  When inspected closely, wear can certainly be seen with a flattening out of the profile towards the centre of the head.  I have also swapped head wires and in every case can confirm that the channel electronics are fine.  All of these decks have been mechanically refurbished and had all polypropylene and key coupling caps replaced.   I am using a response tape made on my ZX-9 (which is in excellent condition with no visible head wear due to low hours), and have confirmed that the levels on tape a equal between channels…I am also using a ‘Luis’ 15kHz azimuth tape which quickly shows the deficiency on the right channel at that spot frequency.  All frequencies below about 8kHz are essentially flat on both channels.  My questions to those refurbishing these units are:-   Do you find that it is the right channel that presents with the most wear and/or gap loss in these old units? Do you content yourselves with equaliser adjustments and compensating for gap loss to flatten out the response as much as possible? Does anybody try the as yet unsuccessful (for me anyway) method of purchasing parts only decks of the same age in the optimistic hope that the PB heads may be in better condition? Have I just been unlucky with my purchases in terms of head wear?     In every other respect these desks are in immaculate condition…well looked after (except the parts decks).   Sorry for the long post, but I am interesting in hearing anyone’s comments.   By way of background, I don’t own a T-100, but have access to all other test gear including RTA analyser, oscilloscope, test oscillators, Willy’s alignment gauge, a set of Luis’s home made alignment tapes, along with my own made on the ZX-9.  I don’t unfortunately own any genuine Nak alignment tapes, or any of the Nak gauges.  However I have enough I think to reliably observe this consistent asymmetric head wear.   Thanks for any comments you may have on this…   Regards   David   This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. 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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 Hi Fred I have never found any Orange Caps on BX300 giving problems - surprsingly ony older Nak transport machines like 680/670/582/480/ZX7/9 and 700/1000ZXL 700ZXE all show orange cap failing including Older Dragons while none of the Sankyo transport machines never had shown orange cap issues. Kannan --- On Sat, 8/7/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, August 7, 2010, 2:17 AM I have found that replacing the idler tire must be done very carefully, or the idler arm assembly can be damaged. This is particularly common when someone tries to replace the tire in situ, rather that removing the idler from its shaft. It's also important not to lose the retainer that holds the idler on its shaft. I've seen amazing substitutes by other so-called "techs" when the retainer got lost in the carpet. Finally there are several tires available online. Those from Marrs Communications are best. Fred (who will soon be doing an "orange film capacitor" mass replacement on a customer's BX-300.) www.repairaudio.com On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Ron > wrote: This could very well be a worn idler tire. Why 'dreaded'? A new tire was less than a buck, last I looked, and takes but a few minutes to replace. -- Ron --- On Thu, 8/5/10, Seshadri, Srinath > wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath > Subject: [naktalk] Help needed with BX-125 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 8:55 AM I just got one of those and it seems to have a rewind problem. It seems to try to rewind but does not. Is this the dreaded transport problem ? Now it plays and forwards well though. Thanks. 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URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 19:36:31 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fw: Re: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL Message-ID: <279600.52417.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Also, this guy, dean, has tires and washers. i use them and they seem to be pretty good. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Idler-Tire-make-your-deck-run-Great-again-/170388618671?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0. --- On Mon, 8/9/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 6:26 AM mr. houchins, not sure if this applies to your deck but here is an i-tire replacement guide courtesy of ESL, http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Russ Seals wrote: From: Russ Seals Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 5:13 AM Wow well that little washer is some times a bit of a pain in the neck to get off but someone on this site or maybe somewhere else said you could use some scotch tape to keep it from going air born. Now about the Idler tire yea I think the tire and washer will work of the BX-1 or you can get both these off ebay  good luck  Russ --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with IDLER WHEEL To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 5:37 PM I screwed up. First I lost the small milky white washer on the idler wheel. Then second, I lost the whole idler wheel. Because I didn't have the washer on there, the idler wheel fell out and I can't find it anywhere.   So, can someone help me? The Nakamichi I'm working on is a CR-7A. Does anyone have a spare idler wheel (with washer) they can sell me? If not, will a BX-1 idler wheel work just as well?   Any help is appreciated. 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URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Aug 10 08:20:28 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 06:20:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Never mind on the opto coupler Message-ID: <1564408753-1281421229-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1792017910-@bda950.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thanks to our own John Gipps, I've found that the 7914F CdS LDR (CdS301) is easily repairable by replacing the LED. In addition a little sleuthing uncovered that any classic transport Nak with Fade uses the exact same component. I pulled one from a parts 505, in perfect shape. STILL looking for that Dragon button though, buy, trade, whatever!!! Calibrate a deck for free for you...Thanks! Perry Esposito - From my phone From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Aug 10 08:30:29 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 06:30:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Question for Nak Refurbishers Message-ID: <116271364-1281421830-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-885765650-@bda950.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> John Gipps in Brisbane would have the best local to you source for heads if one existed and the most experience with wear. I personally have not refurbed anything older than a 660zx..so no head wear. In general though, I'm not surprised at your find. Most every Nak I've adjusted tilt on was tilted with the outside of the head away from the tape so the left channel would have less wear. In general actual tape tension tends to be consistently higher towards the center of the tape, and tape pad lifters do not allow equal wear in this kind of scenario. If you remove the pad lifters from the head you would equalize, but increase, overall head wear. Perry Esposito - From my phone From David.King at usq.edu.au Tue Aug 10 00:31:09 2010 From: David.King at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:31:09 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Re:Question for the Nak refurbishers In-Reply-To: <435500.16255.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> <435500.16255.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D25@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Hi Bala Thanks for the reply. Your comments are what I would have thought also. I think I have just been unlucky. The decks I am refurbishing are all in very good condition otherwise. Yes the pressure pad lifters were in position. I have no way of knowing what previous owner /s may have done, but clearly the heads have had a lot of use. I would have thought that the wear would have been even across the channels, with the gap width opening up equally on left and right tracks….more or less. Attached is a photo of one of the PB heads that could not be brought into spec. There certainly is plenty of wear evident. Regards David From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 12:51 AM To: David King Subject: Re:Question for the Nak refurbishers Hi David, I am currently refurbishing two decks, a 680ZX and a 700ZX, and have done a number of other decks before, but never had come across a predominantly right channel wear problem. Presumably the pressure pad lifter was present on all these decks? The few decks with uneven wear that I have seen were due to user intervention. Do you have some pictures of the wear pattern on the playback head? Regards, Bala This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. 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Name: Head.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 21169 bytes Desc: Head.jpg URL: From David.King at usq.edu.au Tue Aug 10 00:47:22 2010 From: David.King at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:47:22 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Head Wear In-Reply-To: <4C601BB7.6060808@columbia.edu> References: <4C601BB7.6060808@columbia.edu> Message-ID: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D26@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Hi Jim Thanks for the URL....interesting. I used to re-lap quadruplex video tape machine audio head stacks which were easy to do as they were so large. Somehow, I can't see myself successfully lapping a Nak head...especially by hand...although that said, I guess I've nothing to lose. Regards David -----Original Message----- From: Jim Tuller [mailto:jt510 at columbia.edu] Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 1:16 AM To: David King Subject: RE: Nakamichi Head Wear Interesting naktalk post today David, I'm looking forward to the replies. I know very little about restoring a Nak. I've had 3 machines serviced by Jeff Galin at eslabs.com. On one of the units, he replaced the heads. I had purchased that machine new, and I was a little surprised that I had worn the heads down, but it did give me 20 years of use to that point. It was not bad enough for me to detect by ear, but I'm sure it was out of spec. I came across this thread in which a poster claims that Nak heads can be relapped with success. I thought it might interest you: http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=3700 I'm glad you're helping to keep these fine old machines alive! This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) From nakhead at y7mail.com Tue Aug 10 03:59:04 2010 From: nakhead at y7mail.com (Steve Kulak) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 18:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon oditty In-Reply-To: References: <115842.95340.qm@web114604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869834.69663.qm@web114616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mikkel, Simple answer - No, it appears to be fairly unique, cannot track back to previous owner. Will need to consider options as to what can be done with this added (?) circuit. Paul   ________________________________ From: Mikkel Breiler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, 8 August, 2010 8:06:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon oditty On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:51:29 -0700 (PDT), Steve Kulak wrote: >Has any one  seen  this  Modification  on a Dragon before  and know  what  the >Mod  is or its function   ? So did you find out what it does / is for? -Mikkel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From David.King at usq.edu.au Tue Aug 10 08:15:12 2010 From: David.King at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:15:12 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers In-Reply-To: <453352.19768.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> <453352.19768.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D2A@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Hi Kannan Thanks for your reply. I do hear what you are saying, and yes I agree that there in no substitute for the real test tapes and gauges….alas these are not in my possession. Doing these decks up is just for a bit of fun, so I don’t lose any sleep over it all and certainly don’t waste my time trying to achieve ‘better than new’ specs as this is to me a silly notion. So, from the responses I have had thus far, I think the bottom line is this….. Head wear on naks is a reality even with the pressure pad lifter…lets not forget how old these things are. Equaliser mods and shorting the gap compensation resistors are a fact of life and likely will need to be done. There is no evidence that others have noticed asymmetrical wear causing the right channel to fail more than the left but it is normal to have different response characteristics between them. I must just have acquired decks that maybe the previous owners had fiddled with and perhaps had misaligned the head. There is no physical reason why the inside track should suffer gap loss before the outside. Certainly, all of the heads I have, achieve 0dB equally at 400Hz, and are relatively flat out to about 8kHz, but the right channel goes south above that. I know it is not the channel electronics because I can swap the rolled of response into the left channel by swapping the head wires in the connector…when swapped, the response curves are perfectly transferred to the outputs with the left channel becoming rolled off, and the right flat…and this is the case in both the 482 and the 670ZX. I overcame the problem in the 670 by installing a 581 head form a parts deck, and it is now fine and sounding great….I still did have to apply gap compensation on the right channel though but at least it all came up to spec. After adjusting bias and level calibration, I can sweep the deck on all three tape positions and types and achieve a flat response. Regards David From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 5:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers For Naks, the head intgrity is checked by Nak reference 400 Hz tape first and adjusting the playback level to make it 0dB. IF the playback preset ( that much deviation is allowed!) is not achieving this result, then the head is faulty. The HF response will have to be adjusted by the shorting resistor as around -2 to -3 dB is normally allowed for any play head. I do not see this as- head needing replacement ! I had once replaced a Dragon playhead , within about 10 hrs of play HF response was not near the same between Left and right. That is why the shorting resistors are present! Finally you need exteremly wide bandwidth Multimeter to check 20 Khz response along with brand new coupling and equalizing caps/inductors in the entire nak playback chain ( contains a good number of caps! they are all responsible for what you observe) Good reason to replace all of them if you want fantastic HF response! Number of times the response deviations are due to the components than the head ! ( if they are showing within + or -2 db response deviations ( remember -3 db is about 50% of the signal !) they are fine. If you cannot adjust the response within -2db that means still +or -1db between channels are acceptable- then only the Head is not OK. I have never observed the type of deviation you note ( looks to me you need Nak test tapes and gauges first). also please read 1000 ZXL play /record head alignment procedure to understand what I mean. The azimuth tape is supposed to be used only 5 or 6 times maximum as 15 khz or 20 Khz azimuth tape itself looses its HF response as you use. Finally I cannot accept any other replacement tape other than Nakamichi reference tape as acceptable for this test ( Tape integrity cannot be gauranteed) I am not saying that Louis Tapes cannot be used but I cannot gaurantee the results with such tapes as much as the Nakmichi original tapes. I have not seen so far one replacement for Nakmichi original tapes as good. Play the Nakmichi original tape and observe the output on an Oscilloscope and compare tapes made on Nakmichi decks you will understand what I mean Kannan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 14:00:05 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Question for Nak Refurbishers In-Reply-To: <116271364-1281421830-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-885765650-@bda950.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <975026.76114.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Perry, What role would pressure rollers play in this regards? Presumably, if the pressure rollers are not maintaining tension in the proper manner (most likely due to wear), then again you would have uneven tape tension across the heads? Bala --- On Tue, 8/10/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Question for Nak Refurbishers To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 2:30 PM John Gipps in Brisbane would have the best local to you source for heads if one existed and the most experience with wear. I personally have not refurbed anything older than a 660zx..so no head wear. In general though, I'm not surprised at your find. Most every Nak I've adjusted tilt on was tilted with the outside of the head away from the tape so the left channel would have less wear. In general actual tape tension tends to be consistently higher towards the center of the tape, and tape pad lifters do not allow equal wear in this kind of scenario. If you remove the pad lifters from the head you would equalize, but increase, overall head wear. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charles at njau.se Tue Aug 10 14:50:30 2010 From: charles at njau.se (Charles A Njau) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:50:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record Message-ID: I found the following link interesting: http://www.synthgear.com/2010/diy/how-to-pirate-a-vinyl-record/ Cheers! 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Possibly you happen to see those unlucky head wear or loss of head gap in one channel - hope you find some machine with good head.   enjoy this hobby - nothing like well calibrated ( working ) Nak , they produce real music luckily (Marrs Comm) Fred is there producing those difficult belt for those classic Naks - I am meanwhile working on creating a special cable connector for 700ZXL Calibration Tone Oscillator calibration! Kannan --- On Tue, 8/10/10, David King wrote: From: David King Subject: RE: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 2:15 AM Hi Kannan   Thanks for your reply.  I do hear what you are saying, and yes I agree that there in no substitute for the real test tapes and gauges….alas these are not in my possession.  Doing these decks up is just for a bit of fun, so I don’t lose any sleep over it all and certainly don’t waste my time trying to achieve ‘better than new’ specs as this is to me a silly notion.  So, from the responses I have had thus far, I think the bottom line is this…..   Head wear on naks is a reality even with the pressure pad lifter…lets not forget how old these things are. Equaliser mods and shorting the gap compensation resistors are a fact of life and likely will need to be done. There is no evidence that others have noticed asymmetrical wear causing the right channel to fail more than the left but it is normal to have different response characteristics between them. I must just have acquired decks that maybe the previous owners had fiddled with and perhaps had misaligned the head. There is no physical reason why the inside track should suffer gap loss before the outside.   Certainly, all of the heads I have, achieve 0dB equally at 400Hz, and are relatively flat out to about 8kHz, but the right channel goes south above that.  I know it is not the channel electronics because I can swap the rolled of response into the left channel by swapping the head wires in the connector…when swapped, the response curves are perfectly transferred to the outputs with the left channel becoming rolled off, and the right flat…and this is the case in both the 482 and the 670ZX.  I overcame the problem in the 670 by installing a 581 head form a parts deck, and it is now fine and sounding great….I still did have to apply gap compensation on the right channel though but at least it all came up to spec.  After adjusting bias and level calibration, I can sweep the deck on all three tape positions and types and achieve a flat response.   Regards   David     From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 5:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers   For Naks, the head intgrity is checked by Nak reference 400 Hz tape first and adjusting the playback level to make it 0dB. IF the playback preset ( that much deviation is allowed!) is not achieving this result, then the head is faulty.   The HF response will have to be adjusted by the shorting resistor as around -2 to -3 dB is normally allowed for any play head. I do not see this as- head needing replacement ! I had once replaced  a Dragon playhead , within about 10 hrs of play HF response was not near the same between Left and right. That is why the shorting resistors are present! Finally you need exteremly wide bandwidth Multimeter to check 20 Khz response along with brand new coupling and equalizing caps/inductors in the entire nak playback chain ( contains a good number of caps! they are all responsible for what you observe) Good reason to replace all of them if you want fantastic HF response!  Number of times the response deviations are due to the components than the head ! ( if they are showing within + or -2 db response deviations ( remember -3 db is about 50% of the signal !) they are fine.  If you cannot adjust the response within -2db that means still +or -1db between channels are acceptable- then only the Head is not OK. I have never observed the type of deviation you note ( looks to me you need Nak test tapes and gauges first). also please read 1000 ZXL play /record head alignment procedure to understand what I mean.   The azimuth tape is supposed to be used only 5 or 6 times maximum as 15 khz or 20 Khz azimuth tape itself looses its HF response as you use. Finally I cannot accept any other replacement tape other than Nakamichi reference tape as acceptable for this test ( Tape integrity cannot be gauranteed) I am not saying that Louis Tapes cannot be used but I cannot gaurantee the results with such tapes as much as the Nakmichi original tapes. I have not seen so far one replacement for Nakmichi original tapes as good. Play the Nakmichi original tape and observe the output on an Oscilloscope and compare tapes made on Nakmichi decks you will understand what I mean   Kannan              ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Aug 10 19:06:08 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:06:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Re:Question for the Nak refurbishers In-Reply-To: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D25@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> <435500.16255.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D25@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <004e01cb38ae$5456c9f0$fd045dd0$@utah.edu> The head looks normal to me. So what does a 700ZX look like? or is it a 700ZXL or 700ZXE? Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David King Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 4:31 PM To: 'Bala Ganesh Chandra' Cc: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] RE: Re:Question for the Nak refurbishers Hi Bala Thanks for the reply. Your comments are what I would have thought also. I think I have just been unlucky. The decks I am refurbishing are all in very good condition otherwise. Yes the pressure pad lifters were in position. I have no way of knowing what previous owner /s may have done, but clearly the heads have had a lot of use. I would have thought that the wear would have been even across the channels, with the gap width opening up equally on left and right tracks….more or less. Attached is a photo of one of the PB heads that could not be brought into spec. There certainly is plenty of wear evident. Regards David From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 12:51 AM To: David King Subject: Re:Question for the Nak refurbishers Hi David, I am currently refurbishing two decks, a 680ZX and a 700ZX, and have done a number of other decks before, but never had come across a predominantly right channel wear problem. Presumably the pressure pad lifter was present on all these decks? The few decks with uneven wear that I have seen were due to user intervention. Do you have some pictures of the wear pattern on the playback head? Regards, Bala _____ This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Aug 10 19:15:09 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:15:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers In-Reply-To: <780935.46634.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D2A@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> <780935.46634.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007401cb38af$96b99c90$c42cd5b0$@utah.edu> Kannan, I noticed you are working on a special cable for the 700ZXL. Do you have or know someone with the extender card? I as well need to build a cable or extender. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 8:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers Hi David I understand that head wear is possible ( I have seen one ZX 7 with one cahnnel busted - other than that I have not seen any so far) . Possibly you happen to see those unlucky head wear or loss of head gap in one channel - hope you find some machine with good head. enjoy this hobby - nothing like well calibrated ( working ) Nak , they produce real music luckily (Marrs Comm) Fred is there producing those difficult belt for those classic Naks - I am meanwhile working on creating a special cable connector for 700ZXL Calibration Tone Oscillator calibration! Kannan --- On Tue, 8/10/10, David King wrote: From: David King Subject: RE: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 2:15 AM Hi Kannan Thanks for your reply. I do hear what you are saying, and yes I agree that there in no substitute for the real test tapes and gauges….alas these are not in my possession. Doing these decks up is just for a bit of fun, so I don’t lose any sleep over it all and certainly don’t waste my time trying to achieve ‘better than new’ specs as this is to me a silly notion. So, from the responses I have had thus far, I think the bottom line is this….. Head wear on naks is a reality even with the pressure pad lifter…lets not forget how old these things are. Equaliser mods and shorting the gap compensation resistors are a fact of life and likely will need to be done. There is no evidence that others have noticed asymmetrical wear causing the right channel to fail more than the left but it is normal to have different response characteristics between them. I must just have acquired decks that maybe the previous owners had fiddled with and perhaps had misaligned the head. There is no physical reason why the inside track should suffer gap loss before the outside. Certainly, all of the heads I have, achieve 0dB equally at 400Hz, and are relatively flat out to about 8kHz, but the right channel goes south above that. I know it is not the channel electronics because I can swap the rolled of response into the left channel by swapping the head wires in the connector…when swapped, the response curves are perfectly transferred to the outputs with the left channel becoming rolled off, and the right flat…and this is the case in both the 482 and the 670ZX. I overcame the problem in the 670 by installing a 581 head form a parts deck, and it is now fine and sounding great….I still did have to apply gap compensation on the right channel though but at least it all came up to spec. After adjusting bias and level calibration, I can sweep the deck on all three tape positions and types and achieve a flat response. Regards David From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 5:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers For Naks, the head intgrity is checked by Nak reference 400 Hz tape first and adjusting the playback level to make it 0dB. IF the playback preset ( that much deviation is allowed!) is not achieving this result, then the head is faulty. The HF response will have to be adjusted by the shorting resistor as around -2 to -3 dB is normally allowed for any play head. I do not see this as- head needing replacement ! I had once replaced a Dragon playhead , within about 10 hrs of play HF response was not near the same between Left and right. That is why the shorting resistors are present! Finally you need exteremly wide bandwidth Multimeter to check 20 Khz response along with brand new coupling and equalizing caps/inductors in the entire nak playback chain ( contains a good number of caps! they are all responsible for what you observe) Good reason to replace all of them if you want fantastic HF response! Number of times the response deviations are due to the components than the head ! ( if they are showing within + or -2 db response deviations ( remember -3 db is about 50% of the signal !) they are fine. If you cannot adjust the response within -2db that means still +or -1db between channels are acceptable- then only the Head is not OK. I have never observed the type of deviation you note ( looks to me you need Nak test tapes and gauges first). also please read 1000 ZXL play /record head alignment procedure to understand what I mean. The azimuth tape is supposed to be used only 5 or 6 times maximum as 15 khz or 20 Khz azimuth tape itself looses its HF response as you use. Finally I cannot accept any other replacement tape other than Nakamichi reference tape as acceptable for this test ( Tape integrity cannot be gauranteed) I am not saying that Louis Tapes cannot be used but I cannot gaurantee the results with such tapes as much as the Nakmichi original tapes. I have not seen so far one replacement for Nakmichi original tapes as good. Play the Nakmichi original tape and observe the output on an Oscilloscope and compare tapes made on Nakmichi decks you will understand what I mean Kannan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 20:58:09 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers In-Reply-To: <007401cb38af$96b99c90$c42cd5b0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <533103.82544.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No kannan --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: RE: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 1:15 PM Kannan,   I noticed you are working on a special cable for the 700ZXL. Do you have or know someone with the extender card? I as well need to build a cable or extender.   Vic   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 8:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers   Hi David I understand that head wear is possible ( I have seen one ZX 7 with one cahnnel busted - other than that I have not seen any so far) . Possibly you happen to see those unlucky head wear or loss of head gap in one channel - hope you find some machine with good head.   enjoy this hobby - nothing like well calibrated ( working ) Nak , they produce real music luckily (Marrs Comm) Fred is there producing those difficult belt for those classic Naks - I am meanwhile working on creating a special cable connector for 700ZXL Calibration Tone Oscillator calibration! Kannan --- On Tue, 8/10/10, David King wrote: From: David King Subject: RE: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 2:15 AM Hi Kannan   Thanks for your reply.  I do hear what you are saying, and yes I agree that there in no substitute for the real test tapes and gauges….alas these are not in my possession.  Doing these decks up is just for a bit of fun, so I don’t lose any sleep over it all and certainly don’t waste my time trying to achieve ‘better than new’ specs as this is to me a silly notion.  So, from the responses I have had thus far, I think the bottom line is this…..   Head wear on naks is a reality even with the pressure pad lifter…lets not forget how old these things are. Equaliser mods and shorting the gap compensation resistors are a fact of life and likely will need to be done. There is no evidence that others have noticed asymmetrical wear causing the right channel to fail more than the left but it is normal to have different response characteristics between them. I must just have acquired decks that maybe the previous owners had fiddled with and perhaps had misaligned the head. There is no physical reason why the inside track should suffer gap loss before the outside.   Certainly, all of the heads I have, achieve 0dB equally at 400Hz, and are relatively flat out to about 8kHz, but the right channel goes south above that.  I know it is not the channel electronics because I can swap the rolled of response into the left channel by swapping the head wires in the connector…when swapped, the response curves are perfectly transferred to the outputs with the left channel becoming rolled off, and the right flat…and this is the case in both the 482 and the 670ZX.  I overcame the problem in the 670 by installing a 581 head form a parts deck, and it is now fine and sounding great….I still did have to apply gap compensation on the right channel though but at least it all came up to spec.  After adjusting bias and level calibration, I can sweep the deck on all three tape positions and types and achieve a flat response.   Regards   David     From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 5:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers   For Naks, the head intgrity is checked by Nak reference 400 Hz tape first and adjusting the playback level to make it 0dB. IF the playback preset ( that much deviation is allowed!) is not achieving this result, then the head is faulty.   The HF response will have to be adjusted by the shorting resistor as around -2 to -3 dB is normally allowed for any play head. I do not see this as- head needing replacement ! I had once replaced  a Dragon playhead , within about 10 hrs of play HF response was not near the same between Left and right. That is why the shorting resistors are present! Finally you need exteremly wide bandwidth Multimeter to check 20 Khz response along with brand new coupling and equalizing caps/inductors in the entire nak playback chain ( contains a good number of caps! they are all responsible for what you observe) Good reason to replace all of them if you want fantastic HF response!  Number of times the response deviations are due to the components than the head ! ( if they are showing within + or -2 db response deviations ( remember -3 db is about 50% of the signal !) they are fine.  If you cannot adjust the response within -2db that means still +or -1db between channels are acceptable- then only the Head is not OK. I have never observed the type of deviation you note ( looks to me you need Nak test tapes and gauges first). also please read 1000 ZXL play /record head alignment procedure to understand what I mean.   The azimuth tape is supposed to be used only 5 or 6 times maximum as 15 khz or 20 Khz azimuth tape itself looses its HF response as you use. Finally I cannot accept any other replacement tape other than Nakamichi reference tape as acceptable for this test ( Tape integrity cannot be gauranteed) I am not saying that Louis Tapes cannot be used but I cannot gaurantee the results with such tapes as much as the Nakmichi original tapes. I have not seen so far one replacement for Nakmichi original tapes as good. Play the Nakmichi original tape and observe the output on an Oscilloscope and compare tapes made on Nakmichi decks you will understand what I mean   Kannan                ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. 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I might use this method to make archival copies of some of my rarer jazz ... -Tim On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Charles A Njau wrote: > > Cheers! > > Charles > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 10 18:08:12 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:08:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 600 Cassette Deck Stops While Playing a Cassette In-Reply-To: <134141.79731.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: , <134141.79731.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well for some silly reason it started to give no sound output, so I placed it on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-600-Cassette-Deck-Looks-Excellent-/150477772356?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 I'm selling my second 600 Series 'System One' as well. Ebay prices seem to be down these days, especially on new Maxell XLII 90 cassettes. Sold 10 for $23.80 (shipping included). Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:53:43 -0700 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 Cassette Deck Stops While Playing a Cassette To: naktalk at naks.com i had a similar issue with my 600 after it had been sat unused for 23 years(!), from 1981 until 2004. it would only play for about 2 minutes before stopping. so i had it rehabbed in 2004 by a regional repair service here in new england. unfortunately, i did not ask or get a detailed report on the repairs and i now wish i had done so. they did say they had to 'make' some rubber part. so i don't really know, pinch roller? just a guess. at any rate, it's been running (and sounding) like a champ since the rehab. i try to listen to music on it a few times per month. and speedy ff/rw on these decks has never been one of their stronger points (so the repair service tech told me). that issue was supposedly 'fixed' on the 60 II machines. sorry to not be of more help. please keep us informed as to your progress. --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] 600 Cassette Deck Stops While Playing a Cassette To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 2:22 PM Upon receiving a Nakamichi 600 cassette deck, I noticed the rewind and tape counter wasn't working. Removing the cover and doing a cleaning of the belt and pulley, the rewind now works properly. I'm not sure if this fixed the deck but it can rewind a 90 minute tape. Towards the end of the tape, the rewind is working sluggishly. Anyway, one problem left - The tape counter is not working. I removed the face plate and noticed this is a mechanical tape counter, therefore no belt is used. The tape counter works up to the point where it's slipping at the first wheel of numbers (0 - 9) on it. Playing a 90 minute tape, the tape plays fine, but goes into stop mode slightly over 1/2 through playing the tape. I played a cassette with 22 minutes on one side and it played all the way through. It seems the deck is going into stop mode while playing a tape like the memory button is engaged, but it's not. All three different 90 minute tapes seemed to stop at the same point while playing. Any advice on what to do or look for before disassembling the deck again and getting the counter to work? Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From kulak at ozemail.com.au Wed Aug 11 00:27:50 2010 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:27:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers In-Reply-To: <780935.46634.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <780935.46634.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This company has a number of brand new, original Nakamichi ZX7 record / play heads for the classic decks. ATD Disc & Print Ph 08 8232 6444 Fax 08 8232 6055 www.atd.com.au al at atd.com.au May be a solution, contact Al Sankaustas. Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers Hi David I understand that head wear is possible ( I have seen one ZX 7 with one cahnnel busted - other than that I have not seen any so far) . Possibly you happen to see those unlucky head wear or loss of head gap in one channel - hope you find some machine with good head. enjoy this hobby - nothing like well calibrated ( working ) Nak , they produce real music luckily (Marrs Comm) Fred is there producing those difficult belt for those classic Naks - I am meanwhile working on creating a special cable connector for 700ZXL Calibration Tone Oscillator calibration! Kannan --- On Tue, 8/10/10, David King wrote: From: David King Subject: RE: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 2:15 AM Hi Kannan Thanks for your reply. I do hear what you are saying, and yes I agree that there in no substitute for the real test tapes and gauges….alas these are not in my possession. Doing these decks up is just for a bit of fun, so I don’t lose any sleep over it all and certainly don’t waste my time trying to achieve ‘better than new’ specs as this is to me a silly notion. So, from the responses I have had thus far, I think the bottom line is this….. Head wear on naks is a reality even with the pressure pad lifter…lets not forget how old these things are. Equaliser mods and shorting the gap compensation resistors are a fact of life and likely will need to be done. There is no evidence that others have noticed asymmetrical wear causing the right channel to fail more than the left but it is normal to have different response characteristics between them. I must just have acquired decks that maybe the previous owners had fiddled with and perhaps had misaligned the head. There is no physical reason why the inside track should suffer gap loss before the outside. Certainly, all of the heads I have, achieve 0dB equally at 400Hz, and are relatively flat out to about 8kHz, but the right channel goes south above that. I know it is not the channel electronics because I can swap the rolled of response into the left channel by swapping the head wires in the connector…when swapped, the response curves are perfectly transferred to the outputs with the left channel becoming rolled off, and the right flat…and this is the case in both the 482 and the 670ZX. I overcame the problem in the 670 by installing a 581 head form a parts deck, and it is now fine and sounding great….I still did have to apply gap compensation on the right channel though but at least it all came up to spec. After adjusting bias and level calibration, I can sweep the deck on all three tape positions and types and achieve a flat response. Regards David From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 5:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question for the Nak refurbishers For Naks, the head intgrity is checked by Nak reference 400 Hz tape first and adjusting the playback level to make it 0dB. IF the playback preset ( that much deviation is allowed!) is not achieving this result, then the head is faulty. The HF response will have to be adjusted by the shorting resistor as around -2 to -3 dB is normally allowed for any play head. I do not see this as- head needing replacement ! I had once replaced a Dragon playhead , within about 10 hrs of play HF response was not near the same between Left and right. That is why the shorting resistors are present! Finally you need exteremly wide bandwidth Multimeter to check 20 Khz response along with brand new coupling and equalizing caps/inductors in the entire nak playback chain ( contains a good number of caps! they are all responsible for what you observe) Good reason to replace all of them if you want fantastic HF response! Number of times the response deviations are due to the components than the head ! ( if they are showing within + or -2 db response deviations ( remember -3 db is about 50% of the signal !) they are fine. If you cannot adjust the response within -2db that means still +or -1db between channels are acceptable- then only the Head is not OK. I have never observed the type of deviation you note ( looks to me you need Nak test tapes and gauges first). also please read 1000 ZXL play /record head alignment procedure to understand what I mean. The azimuth tape is supposed to be used only 5 or 6 times maximum as 15 khz or 20 Khz azimuth tape itself looses its HF response as you use. Finally I cannot accept any other replacement tape other than Nakamichi reference tape as acceptable for this test ( Tape integrity cannot be gauranteed) I am not saying that Louis Tapes cannot be used but I cannot gaurantee the results with such tapes as much as the Nakmichi original tapes. I have not seen so far one replacement for Nakmichi original tapes as good. 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Bala --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Re:Question for the Nak refurbishers To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 1:06 AM The head looks normal to me.   So what does a 700ZX look like? or is it a 700ZXL or 700ZXE?     Vic   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David King Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 4:31 PM To: 'Bala Ganesh Chandra' Cc: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] RE: Re:Question for the Nak refurbishers   Hi Bala   Thanks for the reply.   Your comments are what I would have thought also.  I think I have just been unlucky.  The decks I am refurbishing are all in very good condition otherwise.  Yes the pressure pad lifters were in position.  I have no way of knowing what previous owner /s may have done, but clearly the heads have had a lot of use.  I would have thought that the wear would have been even across the channels, with the gap width opening up equally on left and right tracks….more or less.  Attached is a photo of one of the PB heads that could not be brought into spec.  There certainly is plenty of wear evident.      Regards   David   From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 12:51 AM To: David King Subject: Re:Question for the Nak refurbishers   Hi David, I am currently refurbishing two decks, a 680ZX and a 700ZX, and have done a number of other decks before, but never had come across a predominantly right channel wear problem. Presumably the pressure pad lifter was present on all these decks? The few decks with uneven wear that I have seen were due to user intervention. Do you have some pictures of the wear pattern on the playback head? Regards, Bala   This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gstrahle at chariot.net.au Wed Aug 11 00:39:42 2010 From: gstrahle at chariot.net.au (Graham Strahle) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:09:42 +0930 Subject: [naktalk] 'Pristine' 680ZX on ebay Message-ID: <656B6CC0-2A20-4F93-B452-9D31E46AB406@chariot.net.au> For any interested, there's a gorgeous looking 680ZX on ebay. Described as 'pristine' and serviced by Willy Hermann, buy for US$850. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-680ZX-Cassette-Deck-Willy-Hermann-Serviced-/140423640462?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0#ht_4844wt_1218 Item number: 140423640462 I'm not sure the description is entirely right though. Didn't the 680ZX come out before the Dragon, not afterwards? - Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Wed Aug 11 12:35:19 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:35:19 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 600 Cassette Deck Stops While Playing a Cassette References: , <134141.79731.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <979A64D40B2842B99452ADBC873BEED7@desktop> Mark, if it was all good before, probably just needs the Circuit Board edge connectors cleaned and reseated.... no doubt you have disturbed them when ferreting around inside... another common 600 foible. M ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] FW: 600 Cassette Deck Stops While Playing a Cassette Well for some silly reason it started to give no sound output, so I placed it on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-600-Cassette-Deck-Looks-Excellent-/150477772356?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 I'm selling my second 600 Series 'System One' as well. Ebay prices seem to be down these days, especially on new Maxell XLII 90 cassettes. Sold 10 for $23.80 (shipping included). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:53:43 -0700 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 Cassette Deck Stops While Playing a Cassette To: naktalk at naks.com i had a similar issue with my 600 after it had been sat unused for 23 years(!), from 1981 until 2004. it would only play for about 2 minutes before stopping. so i had it rehabbed in 2004 by a regional repair service here in new england. unfortunately, i did not ask or get a detailed report on the repairs and i now wish i had done so. they did say they had to 'make' some rubber part. so i don't really know, pinch roller? just a guess. at any rate, it's been running (and sounding) like a champ since the rehab. i try to listen to music on it a few times per month. and speedy ff/rw on these decks has never been one of their stronger points (so the repair service tech told me). that issue was supposedly 'fixed' on the 60 II machines. sorry to not be of more help. please keep us informed as to your progress. --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] 600 Cassette Deck Stops While Playing a Cassette To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 2:22 PM Upon receiving a Nakamichi 600 cassette deck, I noticed the rewind and tape counter wasn't working. Removing the cover and doing a cleaning of the belt and pulley, the rewind now works properly. I'm not sure if this fixed the deck but it can rewind a 90 minute tape. Towards the end of the tape, the rewind is working sluggishly. Anyway, one problem left - The tape counter is not working. I removed the face plate and noticed this is a mechanical tape counter, therefore no belt is used. The tape counter works up to the point where it's slipping at the first wheel of numbers (0 - 9) on it. Playing a 90 minute tape, the tape plays fine, but goes into stop mode slightly over 1/2 through playing the tape. I played a cassette with 22 minutes on one side and it played all the way through. It seems the deck is going into stop mode while playing a tape like the memory button is engaged, but it's not. All three different 90 minute tapes seemed to stop at the same point while playing. Any advice on what to do or look for before disassembling the deck again and getting the counter to work? 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Sorry it has taken me so long.   tom brucker aka nakdoc -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iforbes at forbescars.com Thu Aug 12 12:58:25 2010 From: iforbes at forbescars.com (Ivan Forbes) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:58:25 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Loss of right channel signal on 680zx Message-ID: <9092B271D345466DAF141D056F54DA44@IvanPC> Hi all, just wondering if any of you know what may be up with the loss of sound from the right channel all of a sudden on my 680zx. Deck worked fine on the weekend, went to use it last night and low and behold the right channel signal was gone on both playback and record operation. The Corresponding right led does not light. Wodering if anyone can lead me in the right direction. Thanks Ivan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charles at njau.se Thu Aug 12 13:30:00 2010 From: charles at njau.se (Charles A Njau) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:30:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I hope I will get to talk with you again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7035EC2C-A7EE-4FB6-819E-585C09792161@njau.se> W E L C O M E B A C K M R T O M B U C K E R ! Here in the forum we have missed you a great deal! Cheers! Charles. 12 aug 2010 kl. 00.22 skrev Tom Brucker: > Adding gMail is easier than fighting ISPs that filter NakTalk! > Sorry it has taken me so long. > > tom brucker > aka nakdoc > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charles at njau.se Thu Aug 12 13:30:04 2010 From: charles at njau.se (Charles A Njau) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:30:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <265A26FC-DA43-4138-86DF-B8477ECB9C7F@njau.se> Hi Tim! Please let us be informed about your achievements in this endeavor! Good luck! Cheers! Charles 10 aug 2010 kl. 16.29 skrev Tim Skorick: > Nice one! I might use this method to make archival copies of some > of my rarer jazz ... > > -Tim > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Charles A Njau > wrote: > > Cheers! > > Charles > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Aug 12 14:46:43 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:46:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Loss of right channel signal on 680zx In-Reply-To: <9092B271D345466DAF141D056F54DA44@IvanPC> References: <9092B271D345466DAF141D056F54DA44@IvanPC> Message-ID: <31D0ECF9-A700-479E-9A0C-913A6FA32DCD@peromarta.org> Could be just anything. Good old troubleshooting is now due. Start by looking at the head wiring into the pb amp board. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 12/08/2010, a las 12:58, "Ivan Forbes" escribió: > Hi all, just wondering if any of you know what may be up with the loss of sound from the right channel all of a sudden on my 680zx. Deck worked fine on the weekend, went to use it last night and low and behold the right channel signal was gone on both playback and record operation. The Corresponding right led does not light. Wodering if anyone can lead me in the right direction. > > Thanks > > Ivan. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 18:11:49 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:11:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Loss of right channel signal on 680zx In-Reply-To: <9092B271D345466DAF141D056F54DA44@IvanPC> References: <9092B271D345466DAF141D056F54DA44@IvanPC> Message-ID: There are literally hundreds of causes, Ivan. Do you have a service manual and/or schematic for the 680zx? Do you have a DMM and an oscilloscope? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:58 AM, Ivan Forbes wrote: > Hi all, just wondering if any of you know what may be up with the loss of > sound from the right channel all of a sudden on my 680zx. Deck worked fine > on the weekend, went to use it last night and low and behold the right > channel signal was gone on both playback and record operation. The > Corresponding right led does not light. Wodering if anyone can lead me in > the right direction. > > Thanks > > Ivan. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 12 22:09:04 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:09:04 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Loss of right channel signal on 680zx In-Reply-To: <9092B271D345466DAF141D056F54DA44@IvanPC> References: <9092B271D345466DAF141D056F54DA44@IvanPC> Message-ID: My 581 just did that too. In my case, if I turn OFF the Dolby it works fine. So I suspect mine is a failure in the Dolby circuit. I haven't had a chance to open it up yet. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Forbes Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Loss of right channel signal on 680zx Hi all, just wondering if any of you know what may be up with the loss of sound from the right channel all of a sudden on my 680zx. Deck worked fine on the weekend, went to use it last night and low and behold the right channel signal was gone on both playback and record operation. The Corresponding right led does not light. Wodering if anyone can lead me in the right direction. Thanks Ivan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 23:13:50 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <550369.9534.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I wonder if the copy still sounds better than the equivalent SACD. --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Charles A Njau wrote: From: Charles A Njau Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:50 AM I found the following link interesting: http://www.synthgear.com/2010/diy/how-to-pirate-a-vinyl-record/ Cheers! 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For the NakTalker that needs a Sankyo deck idler, I have one here in the US if Pelle's postage is too high. tom brucker On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Russ Seals wrote: > Welcome back Tom > Russ > > --- On *Wed, 8/11/10, Tom Brucker * wrote: > > > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: [naktalk] I hope I will get to talk with you again > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 5:22 PM > > > Adding gMail is easier than fighting ISPs that filter NakTalk! 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Bala  --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 5:13 AM I wonder if the copy still sounds better than the equivalent SACD. --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Charles A Njau wrote: From: Charles A Njau Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:50 AM I found the following link interesting: http://www.synthgear.com/2010/diy/how-to-pirate-a-vinyl-record/ Cheers! 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 15:56:22 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record In-Reply-To: <424684.57514.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <675723.53099.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yea, I was just joking. I understand the allure of making an LP copy -- it's kinda cool -- but, to preserve the original LP, I would prefer to copy to cassette. This is what God gave us Naks for  :-). -- Ron --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 12:12 AM Seriously, given the issues with surface noise of the material used, and the fidelity of the grooves of the copy, I don't think the copy can be used for critical listening and evaluation. It would be more for playing while the original is saved for posterity, or for those who do not mind forsaking fidelity simply for having a copy of the song. Bala  --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 5:13 AM I wonder if the copy still sounds better than the equivalent SACD. --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Charles A Njau wrote: From: Charles A Njau Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:50 AM I found the following link interesting: http://www.synthgear.com/2010/diy/how-to-pirate-a-vinyl-record/ Cheers! 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URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Fri Aug 13 19:30:27 2010 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:30:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record In-Reply-To: <424684.57514.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <550369.9534.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <424684.57514.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ummm, what's wrong with "pirating" it to a nice clean Nakamichi recorded Maxell or TDK cassette? Or have I missed something? Oops, I know: I just don't have enough "free" time on my hands ;-) Steve Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:12:24 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: naktalk at naks.com Seriously, given the issues with surface noise of the material used, and the fidelity of the grooves of the copy, I don't think the copy can be used for critical listening and evaluation. It would be more for playing while the original is saved for posterity, or for those who do not mind forsaking fidelity simply for having a copy of the song. Bala --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 5:13 AM I wonder if the copy still sounds better than the equivalent SACD. --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Charles A Njau wrote: From: Charles A Njau Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:50 AM I found the following link interesting: http://www.synthgear.com/2010/diy/how-to-pirate-a-vinyl-record/ Cheers! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 19:38:56 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record In-Reply-To: <675723.53099.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <478627.74690.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cassettes just have that wonderful appeal . Many back-up CDs I made 10 years ago have started flaking, and some are just not readable anymore. Meanwhile, a 1973 recording on Hitachi Normal tape plays on perfectly on a N-600-II. The 600 will still play when iPods are no longer supported and the audio codecs we know of now will require some hack or patch to work. Bala --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 9:56 PM Yea, I was just joking. I understand the allure of making an LP copy -- it's kinda cool -- but, to preserve the original LP, I would prefer to copy to cassette. This is what God gave us Naks for  :-). -- Ron --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 12:12 AM Seriously, given the issues with surface noise of the material used, and the fidelity of the grooves of the copy, I don't think the copy can be used for critical listening and evaluation. It would be more for playing while the original is saved for posterity, or for those who do not mind forsaking fidelity simply for having a copy of the song. Bala  --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 5:13 AM I wonder if the copy still sounds better than the equivalent SACD. --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Charles A Njau wrote: From: Charles A Njau Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:50 AM I found the following link interesting: http://www.synthgear.com/2010/diy/how-to-pirate-a-vinyl-record/ Cheers! 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URL: From charles at njau.se Fri Aug 13 20:44:22 2010 From: charles at njau.se (Charles A Njau) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:44:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record In-Reply-To: <675723.53099.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <675723.53099.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "When there was vinyl, I just loved opening a record & smelling that wonderful smell." Diane Schuur. Cheers. Charles 13 aug 2010 kl. 15.56 skrev Ron: > > Yea, I was just joking. I understand the allure of making an > LP copy -- it's kinda cool -- but, to preserve the original LP, > I would prefer to copy to cassette. This is what God gave > us Naks for :-). > > -- Ron > > > > --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 12:12 AM > > Seriously, given the issues with surface noise of the material > used, and the fidelity of the grooves of the copy, I don't think > the copy can be used for critical listening and evaluation. It > would be more for playing while the original is saved for > posterity, or for those who do not mind forsaking fidelity simply > for having a copy of the song. > > Bala > > --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron wrote: > > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 5:13 AM > > > > I wonder if the copy still sounds better than the equivalent SACD. > > > > --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Charles A Njau wrote: > > From: Charles A Njau > Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:50 AM > > I found the following link interesting: > > http://www.synthgear.com/2010/diy/how-to-pirate-a-vinyl-record/ > > Cheers! > > Charles > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Aug 14 01:16:49 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record In-Reply-To: <478627.74690.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <415652.93240.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > ... when iPods are no longer supported Heaven forbd! Bite your tongue ... -- Ron --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 1:38 PM Cassettes just have that wonderful appeal . Many back-up CDs I made 10 years ago have started flaking, and some are just not readable anymore. Meanwhile, a 1973 recording on Hitachi Normal tape plays on perfectly on a N-600-II. The 600 will still play when iPods are no longer supported and the audio codecs we know of now will require some hack or patch to work. Bala --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 9:56 PM Yea, I was just joking. I understand the allure of making an LP copy -- it's kinda cool -- but, to preserve the original LP, I would prefer to copy to cassette. This is what God gave us Naks for  :-). -- Ron --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 12:12 AM Seriously, given the issues with surface noise of the material used, and the fidelity of the grooves of the copy, I don't think the copy can be used for critical listening and evaluation. It would be more for playing while the original is saved for posterity, or for those who do not mind forsaking fidelity simply for having a copy of the song. Bala  --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 5:13 AM I wonder if the copy still sounds better than the equivalent SACD. --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Charles A Njau wrote: From: Charles A Njau Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:50 AM I found the following link interesting: http://www.synthgear.com/2010/diy/how-to-pirate-a-vinyl-record/ Cheers! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 14 04:10:06 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <738202.97850.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What's wrong? The word 'Pirating' perhaps. It's part of Nakking! Just kidding. A friend once asked, 'What's so special about this brand of cassette decks?' I replied to him, 'There are two types of people - cassette listeners and Nakkers. That is all.' Bala   --- On Sat, 8/14/10, Steve Ember wrote: From: Steve Ember Subject: RE: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Nakamichi Talk" Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 1:30 AM Ummm, what's wrong with "pirating" it to a nice clean Nakamichi recorded Maxell or TDK cassette? Or have I missed something? Oops, I know: I just don't have enough "free" time on my hands ;-) Steve Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:12:24 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: naktalk at naks.com Seriously, given the issues with surface noise of the material used, and the fidelity of the grooves of the copy, I don't think the copy can be used for critical listening and evaluation. It would be more for playing while the original is saved for posterity, or for those who do not mind forsaking fidelity simply for having a copy of the song. Bala  --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 5:13 AM I wonder if the copy still sounds better than the equivalent SACD. --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Charles A Njau wrote: From: Charles A Njau Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:50 AM I found the following link interesting: http://www.synthgear.com/2010/diy/how-to-pirate-a-vinyl-record/ Cheers! 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URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Sat Aug 14 05:47:48 2010 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 23:47:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How to pirate a vinyl record (Bala Ganesh Chandra) In-Reply-To: <201008131009.o7DA80pb029134@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <201008140349.o7E3m2GL000332@zxe.naks.com> Response from a somewhat cynical friend of mine, to the point" "Great idea, just think in only 4 or 5 days (drying/curing time) and for $75 in materials, you could have half an LP record. You know you can build your own car at home too. First, get some iron ore........." Rob Branson From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 15 05:28:58 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 20:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record In-Reply-To: <415652.93240.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <802389.80932.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At the rate things are evolving even within the iPod family, getting my current one to work say in 10 years time would require some riggin'. Just look what AAPL plans to do with Apple TV. Bala --- On Sat, 8/14/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:16 AM > ... when iPods are no longer supported Heaven forbd! Bite your tongue ... -- Ron --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 1:38 PM Cassettes just have that wonderful appeal . Many back-up CDs I made 10 years ago have started flaking, and some are just not readable anymore. Meanwhile, a 1973 recording on Hitachi Normal tape plays on perfectly on a N-600-II. The 600 will still play when iPods are no longer supported and the audio codecs we know of now will require some hack or patch to work. Bala --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 9:56 PM Yea, I was just joking. I understand the allure of making an LP copy -- it's kinda cool -- but, to preserve the original LP, I would prefer to copy to cassette. This is what God gave us Naks for  :-). -- Ron --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 12:12 AM Seriously, given the issues with surface noise of the material used, and the fidelity of the grooves of the copy, I don't think the copy can be used for critical listening and evaluation. It would be more for playing while the original is saved for posterity, or for those who do not mind forsaking fidelity simply for having a copy of the song. Bala  --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 5:13 AM I wonder if the copy still sounds better than the equivalent SACD. --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Charles A Njau wrote: From: Charles A Njau Subject: [naktalk] How to pirate a vinyl record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:50 AM I found the following link interesting: http://www.synthgear.com/2010/diy/how-to-pirate-a-vinyl-record/ Cheers! 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URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Aug 17 03:36:33 2010 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:36:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D25@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au>, <435500.16255.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D25@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. Kelvin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Tue Aug 17 16:14:30 2010 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:14:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> <435500.16255.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D25@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing > it. A bit of background: > > My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they > had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing > is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on > the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. > > It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 > or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a > tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, > Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the > cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. > Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now > I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this > with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or > anything. > > Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it > apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise > first. Thanks in advance for your help. > > Kelvin. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Tue Aug 17 16:20:41 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <807624.38844.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> i have not owned or had experience with cr-7e so- my first thought is that the cam motor has developed a 'flat spot'. there are a couple of different remedies but i'll let the real experts suggest them... good luck! --- On Mon, 8/16/10, winnie pooh wrote: From: winnie pooh Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "naktalk" Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 6:36 PM Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. Kelvin. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com Tue Aug 17 17:32:51 2010 From: srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com (Seshadri, Srinath) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:32:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> <435500.16255.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D25@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago - jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it's a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. Kelvin. ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Aug 18 03:00:19 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <83939.88623.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots.   tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. Kelvin. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net   This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 05:22:14 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:22:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> <435500.16255.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D25@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: Tom & Kelvin, We have had excellent luck rebuilding those motors. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Kelvin, > Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All > should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it > work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a > month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. > > tom brucker > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing >> it. A bit of background: >> >> My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, >> they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only >> thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not >> mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced >> them or not. >> >> It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 >> or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a >> tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, >> Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the >> cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. >> Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now >> I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this >> with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or >> anything. >> >> Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it >> apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise >> first. 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URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Aug 18 08:20:55 2010 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 06:20:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au>, <435500.16255.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D25@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au>, , , Message-ID: Thank you all for the help. Will try it this weekend and see if it solves the problem. When you rebuild a motor, is it like the electric RC car motor rebuilds? Take it apart, clean the commutator, brush, rotor, etc etc? I used to play with electric RC cars a lot when younger so if the process is the same, should not be too difficult. Thanks once again, Kelvin. Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:22:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Tom & Kelvin, We have had excellent luck rebuilding those motors. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 10:12:26 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:12:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Button for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Any chance you can post a picture of the broken button and the "stub" that it goes on. Usually the candidates are tiny dabs of superglue or epoxy, but it's hard to tell which without a pix. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Rogerio Neiva wrote: > Hi, the MPX button on my ZX-7 is broken. Does anyone know where I can find > a new one ? > > Does anyone have an advise regarding how to glue it without leaving a > visible mark ? I know that the answer "glue it with great care" applies here > but any advise on the correct glue and technique is welcome. Specially > because one has to turn the button laterally making a side force that and I > am afraid that the glue will not hold. > > Thank you and regards > > Roger Neiva > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 10:47:18 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:47:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D1E@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> <435500.16255.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854D25@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: Yes. It must be done carefully, but here's the gist of it After you take the motor apart -- 1. Use a dental pick or Xacto blade to ream out the narrow slots between the commutator sections. These get clogged. 2. Lightly polish the commutator. This can get bumpy and uneven. 3. Adjust the brushes for more even contact. Often the brushes need to be lightly recontoured. Sometimes you need to steal less-worn brushes from other motors. 4. Lube bearings with Teflon lube. Machine oil and WD-40 are not as effective as Teflon lube (e.g. Tri-Flow). Good luck!! Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:20 PM, winnie pooh wrote: > Thank you all for the help. Will try it this weekend and see if it solves > the problem. > . > When you rebuild a motor, is it like the electric RC car motor rebuilds? > Take it apart, clean the commutator, brush, rotor, etc etc? I used to play > with electric RC cars a lot when younger so if the process is the same, > should not be too difficult. > > Thanks once again, > Kelvin. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:22:14 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Tom & Kelvin, > > We have had excellent luck rebuilding those motors. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > Kelvin, > Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All > should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it > work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a > month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. > > tom brucker > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing > it. A bit of background: > > My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they > had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing > is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on > the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. > > It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 > or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a > tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, > Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the > cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. > Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now > I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this > with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or > anything. > > Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it > apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise > first. 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URL: From srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com Wed Aug 18 14:49:18 2010 From: srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com (Seshadri, Srinath) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:49:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues. In-Reply-To: <83939.88623.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <83939.88623.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for replying Ron. As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything when I bought it. Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and FF perfectly all along. So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see what it does ? Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. Kelvin. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net ________________________________ This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. 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In-Reply-To: References: <83939.88623.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its not rewinding. Cool. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Seshadri, Srinath Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues. Thanks for replying Ron. As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything when I bought it. Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and FF perfectly all along. So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see what it does ? Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. Kelvin. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net ________________________________ This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. 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In-Reply-To: References: <83939.88623.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath < srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com> wrote: > I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 > years. Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time > for it and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. > > I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one > fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 > are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better > look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos > rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its > not rewinding. > > Cool. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Seshadri, Srinath > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > > > Thanks for replying Ron. > > As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything > when I bought it. > > Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and > FF perfectly all along. > > So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see > what it does ? > > Thanks. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > > > > REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, > the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or > (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an > electronics malfunction. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On *Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com>* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM > > My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to > try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little > choppy and squeaky now. > > I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am > hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. > > Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? > acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? > > Thanks. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Brucker > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > > > Kelvin, > > Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All > should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it > work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a > month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. > > > > tom brucker > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh > > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing > it. A bit of background: > > My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they > had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing > is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on > the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. > > It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 > or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a > tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, > Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the > cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. > Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now > I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this > with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or > anything. > > Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it > apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise > first. Thanks in advance for your help. > > Kelvin. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > > Tom Brucker > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Pike > > Nashville, TN USA > > 37220 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential or proprietary. 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I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. Thanks much. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=g oogleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: I've rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. Its improved ... a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better look at other decks that don't rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos rewind don't use belts as you've explained it. I'd better figure out why its not rewinding. Cool. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Seshadri, Srinath Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues. Thanks for replying Ron. As a follow up question - it was trying to rewind but not doing anything when I bought it. Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and FF perfectly all along. So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see what it does ? Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago - jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it's a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh > wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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I press the sandpaper against the rim of the tire, and rotate the tire using a wooden stick. This removes the outer layer of dead rubber. This should be done AFTER any cleaning with alcohol, as alcohol degrades the urethane in the tire. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Seshadri, Srinath < srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com> wrote: > Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand > paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, > then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at > the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a > fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. > > Thanks much. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > > > If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often > lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I > treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- > > > http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com> wrote: > > I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. > Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it > and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. > > I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one > fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 > are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better > look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos > rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its > not rewinding. > > Cool. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Seshadri, Srinath > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > > > Thanks for replying Ron. > > As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything > when I bought it. > > Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and > FF perfectly all along. > > So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see > what it does ? > > Thanks. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > > > > REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, > the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or > (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an > electronics malfunction. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On *Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com>* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM > > My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to > try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little > choppy and squeaky now. > > I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am > hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. > > Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? > acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? > > Thanks. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Brucker > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > > > Kelvin, > > Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All > should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it > work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a > month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. > > > > tom brucker > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh > > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing > it. A bit of background: > > My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they > had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing > is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on > the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. > > It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 > or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a > tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, > Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the > cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. > Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now > I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this > with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or > anything. > > Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it > apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise > first. Thanks in advance for your help. > > Kelvin. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > > Tom Brucker > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Pike > > Nashville, TN USA > > 37220 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential or proprietary. 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Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance kannan --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. Thanks much. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its not rewinding. Cool. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Seshadri, Srinath Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   Thanks for replying Ron. As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything when I bought it. Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and FF perfectly all along. So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see what it does ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots.   tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. Kelvin. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net   This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. 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If you have had some experience, you may wish to do it yourself. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, winnie pooh wrote: From: winnie pooh Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "naktalk" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 2:20 AM Thank you all for the help. Will try it this weekend and see if it solves the problem. When you rebuild a motor, is it like the electric RC car motor rebuilds? Take it apart, clean the commutator, brush, rotor, etc etc? I used to play with electric RC cars a lot when younger so if the process is the same, should not be too difficult. Thanks once again, Kelvin. Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:22:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Tom & Kelvin, We have had excellent luck rebuilding those motors. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots.   tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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Will try it this weekend and see if it solves > the problem. > > When you rebuild a motor, is it like the electric RC car motor rebuilds? > Take it apart, clean the commutator, brush, rotor, etc etc? I used to play > with electric RC cars a lot when younger so if the process is the same, > should not be too difficult. > > Thanks once again, > Kelvin. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:22:14 -0700 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Tom & Kelvin, > > We have had excellent luck rebuilding those motors. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Tom Brucker > > wrote: > > Kelvin, > Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All > should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it > work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a > month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. > > tom brucker > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh > > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing > it. A bit of background: > > My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they > had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing > is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on > the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. > > It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 > or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a > tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, > Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the > cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. > Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now > I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this > with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or > anything. > > Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it > apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise > first. Thanks in advance for your help. > > Kelvin. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 01:42:53 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:42:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues. In-Reply-To: <338784.11088.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <338784.11088.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, if the tire is actually worn out, a new tire is in order. These are best purchased from Marrs Communications. When replacing tires, make sure that the *idler arm assembly* is either removed or braced. Replacing a tire on an unbraced arm often causes severe damages. The pivot pins for the assembly can get bent, and the assembly itself can get deformed or cracked. I always place a piece of cloth (or a towel or piece of carpet) under the set when I'm working on it. This way, if I drop some small part (and I usually do), the part will get caught in the fibers rather than going flying. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:06 PM, kannan srinivasaraghavan < kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> wrote: > This would be a short time solution as the idler tire is so small and worn > out tire won't last long . Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper > ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance > kannan > > > --- On *Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com>* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM > > > Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand > paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, > then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at > the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a > fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. > > Thanks much. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > > > If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often > lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I > treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- > > > http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com> > wrote: > > I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. > Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it > and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. > > I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one > fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 > are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better > look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos > rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its > not rewinding. > > Cool. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Seshadri, Srinath > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > > > Thanks for replying Ron. > > As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything > when I bought it. > > Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and > FF perfectly all along. > > So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see > what it does ? > > Thanks. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > > > > REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, > the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or > (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an > electronics malfunction. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On *Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com > >* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM > My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused > to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a > little choppy and squeaky now. > I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am > hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. > Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? > acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? > Thanks. > Srinath. > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Brucker > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > Kelvin, > Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All > should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it > work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a > month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. > > > tom brucker > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh > > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing > it. A bit of background: > > My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they > had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing > is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on > the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. > > It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 > or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a > tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, > Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the > cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. > Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now > I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this > with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or > anything. > > Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it > apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise > first. Thanks in advance for your help. > > Kelvin. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ------------------------------ > > This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential or proprietary. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 02:07:23 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues. In-Reply-To: <338784.11088.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <899003.54647.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I agree. Trying to repair an idler tire doesn't make sense. Last time I looked they were less than a buck apiece. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:06 PM This would be a short time solution as the idler tire is so small and worn out tire won't last long . Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance kannan --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. Thanks much. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its not rewinding. Cool. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Seshadri, Srinath Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   Thanks for replying Ron. As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything when I bought it. Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and FF perfectly all along. So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see what it does ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots.   tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 03:50:37 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:50:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues. In-Reply-To: <899003.54647.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <338784.11088.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <899003.54647.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Although Nakamichis are a welcome exception, largely due to Marrs Communications, repairing idler tires is often the ONLY solution. A great many tires are no longer available, and no reasonable substitute exists. I might even go so far as to say that if you can't restore a great many idler tires, you can only service a limited variety of cassette decks. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Ron wrote: > > I agree. Trying to repair an idler tire doesn't make sense. > Last time I looked they were less than a buck apiece. > > -- Ron > > > > --- On *Wed, 8/18/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan >* wrote: > > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:06 PM > > > This would be a short time solution as the idler tire is so small and worn > out tire won't last long . Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper > ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance > kannan > > --- On *Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com>* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM > > Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand > paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, > then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at > the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a > fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. > > Thanks much. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > > > If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often > lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I > treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- > > > http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com> > wrote: > > I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. > Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it > and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. > > I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one > fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 > are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better > look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos > rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its > not rewinding. > > Cool. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Seshadri, Srinath > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > > > Thanks for replying Ron. > > As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything > when I bought it. > > Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and > FF perfectly all along. > > So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see > what it does ? > > Thanks. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > > > > REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, > the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or > (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an > electronics malfunction. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On *Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com > >* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM > My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused > to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a > little choppy and squeaky now. > I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am > hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. > Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? > acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? > Thanks. > Srinath. > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Brucker > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > Kelvin, > Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All > should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it > work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a > month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. > > > tom brucker > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh > > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing > it. A bit of background: > > My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they > had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing > is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on > the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. > > It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 > or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a > tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, > Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the > cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. > Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now > I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this > with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or > anything. > > Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it > apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise > first. Thanks in advance for your help. > > Kelvin. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ------------------------------ > > This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential or proprietary. 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I might even go so far as to say that if you can't restore a great many idler tires, you can only service a limited variety of cassette decks. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Ron wrote: I agree. Trying to repair an idler tire doesn't make sense. Last time I looked they were less than a buck apiece. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:06 PM This would be a short time solution as the idler tire is so small and worn out tire won't last long . Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance kannan --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. Thanks much. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its not rewinding. Cool. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Seshadri, Srinath Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   Thanks for replying Ron. As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything when I bought it. Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and FF perfectly all along. So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see what it does ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots.   tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 10:34:09 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:34:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues. In-Reply-To: <587484.19271.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <587484.19271.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So . . . I will post this a *second time*, for those who ignored my previous post. Here is the "something to soften hard rubber". http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > ESL may have a replacement for this idler. They do have them for the > classic mechanisms. I tried grit sanding the idlers but it is just a stop > gap solution. The guy who invents something to soften hard rubber will give > life to hundreds if not thousands of decks. > > Bala > > --- On *Thu, 8/19/10, Fred Longworth *wrote: > > > From: Fred Longworth > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 9:50 AM > > > Although Nakamichis are a welcome exception, largely due to Marrs > Communications, repairing idler tires is often the ONLY solution. A great > many tires are no longer available, and no reasonable substitute exists. I > might even go so far as to say that if you can't restore a great many idler > tires, you can only service a limited variety of cassette decks. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Ron > > wrote: > > > I agree. Trying to repair an idler tire doesn't make sense. > Last time I looked they were less than a buck apiece. > > -- Ron > > > > --- On *Wed, 8/18/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan > >* wrote: > > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:06 PM > > > This would be a short time solution as the idler tire is so small and worn > out tire won't last long . Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper > ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance > kannan > > --- On *Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com > >* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM > > Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand > paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, > then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at > the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a > fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. > > Thanks much. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] > *On Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > > > If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often > lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I > treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- > > > http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com> > wrote: > > I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. > Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it > and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. > > I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one > fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 > are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better > look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos > rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its > not rewinding. > > Cool. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Seshadri, Srinath > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > > > Thanks for replying Ron. > > As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything > when I bought it. > > Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and > FF perfectly all along. > > So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see > what it does ? > > Thanks. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > > > > REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, > the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or > (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an > electronics malfunction. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On *Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com > >* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM > My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused > to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a > little choppy and squeaky now. > I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am > hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. > Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? > acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? > Thanks. > Srinath. > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Brucker > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > Kelvin, > Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All > should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it > work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a > month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. > > > tom brucker > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh > > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing > it. A bit of background: > > My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they > had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing > is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on > the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. > > It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 > or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a > tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, > Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the > cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. > Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now > I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this > with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or > anything. > > Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it > apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise > first. Thanks in advance for your help. > > Kelvin. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ------------------------------ > > This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential or proprietary. 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URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Aug 19 11:40:01 2010 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:40:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: References: , <733291.47401.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: I agree the CR-7 is a fantastic machine. Before I give it a go this weekend, can anyone here tell me which one is the cam motor that I need to fix? Where is it inside the deck? I am assuming it is separate to the main transport? Thanks. Kelvin. Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:32:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Regardless . . . the CR-7E is a terrific machine. You will get MEGA pleasure out of it. One of the finest cassette decks EVER. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Ron wrote: Yes, it's a very similar process. If you have had some experience, you may wish to do it yourself. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, winnie pooh wrote: From: winnie pooh Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "naktalk" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 2:20 AM Thank you all for the help. Will try it this weekend and see if it solves the problem. When you rebuild a motor, is it like the electric RC car motor rebuilds? Take it apart, clean the commutator, brush, rotor, etc etc? I used to play with electric RC cars a lot when younger so if the process is the same, should not be too difficult. Thanks once again, Kelvin. Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:22:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Tom & Kelvin, We have had excellent luck rebuilding those motors. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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Here is the "something to soften hard rubber". http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 16:03:19 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <70671.94947.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Fred, MCM Electronics carry an idler tire (that they call 'Onkyo type tire) that fits Sankyo transports. It currently goes for $1.49 apiece. Their part number is 32-5665. Unfortunately, they also charge $9 for shipping, so it makes sense to only order tires when some other stuff is needed. Replacing the tire is a simple, easy job. There are two risks, though. First, the tiny retaining washer for the idler tends to disappear (I always use your trick of placing a small rag behind the idler and haven't lost one yet). Second, the idler arm is, indeed, very fragile and should be treated with utmost care. However, once these risks are kept in mind, the job can be done in just a few minutes by anyone with even moderate technical skills. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 9:50 PM Although Nakamichis are a welcome exception, largely due to Marrs Communications, repairing idler tires is often the ONLY solution. A great many tires are no longer available, and no reasonable substitute exists. I might even go so far as to say that if you can't restore a great many idler tires, you can only service a limited variety of cassette decks. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Ron wrote: I agree. Trying to repair an idler tire doesn't make sense. Last time I looked they were less than a buck apiece. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:06 PM This would be a short time solution as the idler tire is so small and worn out tire won't last long . Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance kannan --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. Thanks much. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its not rewinding. Cool. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Seshadri, Srinath Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   Thanks for replying Ron. As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything when I bought it. Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and FF perfectly all along. So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see what it does ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots.   tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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Now, straighten the tabs that are bent into the motor rear plate notches and carefully pull the rear plate off. Make sure the brushes are not caught by the commutator washers. If you need to dismount the brushes (usually not necessary), make absolutely sure you reassemble correctly  Making a small sketch before can save a lot of time after. Good luck, -- Ron --- On Thu, 8/19/10, winnie pooh wrote: From: winnie pooh Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "naktalk" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:40 AM I agree the CR-7 is a fantastic machine. Before I give it a go this weekend, can anyone here tell me which one is the cam motor that I need to fix? Where is it inside the deck? I am assuming it is separate to the main transport? Thanks. Kelvin. Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:32:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Regardless . . . the CR-7E is a terrific machine. You will get MEGA pleasure out of it. One of the finest cassette decks EVER. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com  On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Ron wrote: Yes, it's a very similar process. If you have had some experience, you may wish to do it yourself. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, winnie pooh wrote: From: winnie pooh Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "naktalk" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 2:20 AM Thank you all for the help. Will try it this weekend and see if it solves the problem. When you rebuild a motor, is it like the electric RC car motor rebuilds? Take it apart, clean the commutator, brush, rotor, etc etc? I used to play with electric RC cars a lot when younger so if the process is the same, should not be too difficult. Thanks once again, Kelvin. Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:22:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Tom & Kelvin, We have had excellent luck rebuilding those motors. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots.   tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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Unfortunately, they also charge $9 for shipping, so it makes sense to only order tires when some other stuff is needed. Replacing the tire is a simple, easy job. There are two risks, though. First, the tiny retaining washer for the idler tends to disappear (I always use your trick of placing a small rag behind the idler and haven't lost one yet). Second, the idler arm is, indeed, very fragile and should be treated with utmost care. However, once these risks are kept in mind, the job can be done in just a few minutes by anyone with even moderate technical skills. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 9:50 PM Although Nakamichis are a welcome exception, largely due to Marrs Communications, repairing idler tires is often the ONLY solution. A great many tires are no longer available, and no reasonable substitute exists. I might even go so far as to say that if you can't restore a great many idler tires, you can only service a limited variety of cassette decks. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Ron wrote: I agree. Trying to repair an idler tire doesn't make sense. Last time I looked they were less than a buck apiece. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:06 PM This would be a short time solution as the idler tire is so small and worn out tire won't last long . Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance kannan --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. Thanks much. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath > wrote: I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its not rewinding. Cool. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Seshadri, Srinath Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues. Thanks for replying Ron. As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything when I bought it. Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and FF perfectly all along. So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see what it does ? Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath > wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh > wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <13967.53843.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> don't give up yet! here are directions with photo to guide you- http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 7:50 AM I opened my bx125 looking for the idler tire. Sadly I had no idea and I fitted it back and gave up. On a side note, its rewinding better and better. Maybe I’ll put my rubber rejuvenating stuff on a q tip and hit the outsides of the belts I can see. Cool. Srinath.     This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <764894.54057.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You have to look behind the cassette well back cover ( Black) from the front of the machine -remove the cassette wel cover first - there are two small screws on top part of this back cover and that can be removed to take out this cover to see the idler! if you remove the top cover you are not seeing the idler good luck and do not spray such liquids on the belts or for that matter any liquids in to that part - you may find the machine will stop working or face new problems! Kannan --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:50 AM I opened my bx125 looking for the idler tire. Sadly I had no idea and I fitted it back and gave up. On a side note, its rewinding better and better. Maybe I’ll put my rubber rejuvenating stuff on a q tip and hit the outsides of the belts I can see. Cool. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:03 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   Fred, MCM Electronics carry an idler tire (that they call 'Onkyo type tire) that fits Sankyo transports. It currently goes for $1.49 apiece. Their part number is 32-5665. Unfortunately, they also charge $9 for shipping, so it makes sense to only order tires when some other stuff is needed. Replacing the tire is a simple, easy job. There are two risks, though. First, the tiny retaining washer for the idler tends to disappear (I always use your trick of placing a small rag behind the idler and haven't lost one yet). Second, the idler arm is, indeed, very fragile and should be treated with utmost care. However, once these risks are kept in mind, the job can be done in just a few minutes by anyone with even moderate technical skills. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 9:50 PM Although Nakamichis are a welcome exception, largely due to Marrs Communications, repairing idler tires is often the ONLY solution. A great many tires are no longer available, and no reasonable substitute exists. I might even go so far as to say that if you can't restore a great many idler tires, you can only service a limited variety of cassette decks. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Ron wrote: I agree. Trying to repair an idler tire doesn't make sense. Last time I looked they were less than a buck apiece. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:06 PM   This would be a short time solution as the idler tire is so small and worn out tire won't last long . Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance kannan --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. Thanks much. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its not rewinding. Cool. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Seshadri, Srinath Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   Thanks for replying Ron. As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything when I bought it. Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and FF perfectly all along. So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see what it does ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots.   tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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I'm not sure it works as well as I'd like, but it does work. The original idler tires tend to get a concave surface, and so, no longer grip the reel table rim sufficiently. Sometimes as well, they actually crack all the way through. Yup, those idler arms can be easily broken. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Ron wrote: > Fred, > > MCM Electronics carry an idler tire (that they call 'Onkyo type > tire) that fits Sankyo transports. It currently goes for $1.49 > apiece. Their part number is 32-5665. Unfortunately, they > also charge $9 for shipping, so it makes sense to only order > tires when some other stuff is needed. > > Replacing the tire is a simple, easy job. There are two risks, > though. First, the tiny retaining washer for the idler tends to > disappear (I always use your trick of placing a small rag > behind the idler and haven't lost one yet). Second, the idler > arm is, indeed, very fragile and should be treated with > utmost care. > > However, once these risks are kept in mind, the job can be > done in just a few minutes by anyone with even moderate > technical skills. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On *Wed, 8/18/10, Fred Longworth *wrote: > > > From: Fred Longworth > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 9:50 PM > > > Although Nakamichis are a welcome exception, largely due to Marrs > Communications, repairing idler tires is often the ONLY solution. A great > many tires are no longer available, and no reasonable substitute exists. I > might even go so far as to say that if you can't restore a great many idler > tires, you can only service a limited variety of cassette decks. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Ron > > wrote: > > > I agree. Trying to repair an idler tire doesn't make sense. > Last time I looked they were less than a buck apiece. > > -- Ron > > > > --- On *Wed, 8/18/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan > >* wrote: > > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:06 PM > > > This would be a short time solution as the idler tire is so small and worn > out tire won't last long . Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper > ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance > kannan > > --- On *Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com > >* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM > > Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand > paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, > then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at > the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a > fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. > > Thanks much. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] > *On Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > > > If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often > lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I > treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- > > > http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com> > wrote: > > I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. > Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it > and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. > > I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one > fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 > are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better > look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos > rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its > not rewinding. > > Cool. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Seshadri, Srinath > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] BX125 issues. > > > > Thanks for replying Ron. > > As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything > when I bought it. > > Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and > FF perfectly all along. > > So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see > what it does ? > > Thanks. > > Srinath. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > > > > REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, > the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or > (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an > electronics malfunction. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On *Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath < > srinath.seshadri at bankofamerica.com > >* wrote: > > > From: Seshadri, Srinath > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM > My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused > to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a > little choppy and squeaky now. > I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am > hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. > Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? > acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? > Thanks. > Srinath. > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Brucker > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem > > Kelvin, > Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All > should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it > work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a > month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. > > > tom brucker > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh > > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing > it. A bit of background: > > My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they > had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing > is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on > the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. > > It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 > or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a > tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, > Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the > cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. > Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now > I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this > with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or > anything. > > Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it > apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise > first. Thanks in advance for your help. > > Kelvin. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ------------------------------ > > This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential or proprietary. 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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 3:26 PM don't give up yet! here are directions with photo to guide you- http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 7:50 AM I opened my bx125 looking for the idler tire. Sadly I had no idea and I fitted it back and gave up. On a side note, its rewinding better and better. Maybe I’ll put my rubber rejuvenating stuff on a q tip and hit the outsides of the belts I can see. Cool. Srinath.     This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. 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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 7:50 AM I opened my bx125 looking for the idler tire. Sadly I had no idea and I fitted it back and gave up. On a side note, its rewinding better and better. Maybe I’ll put my rubber rejuvenating stuff on a q tip and hit the outsides of the belts I can see. Cool. Srinath. ________________________________ This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. 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In-Reply-To: <764894.54057.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <764894.54057.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No spray – only put a tiny amount with a Q tip. Maybe just dry Q tip to clean it and look @ it in close detail. I am now more thinking in terms of my ta 2060 onkyo deck. What nak model is it. I’ve heard its some nak model, not sure what. A hk 391 also I have to figure out, its not opening the door. Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:28 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. You have to look behind the cassette well back cover ( Black) from the front of the machine -remove the cassette wel cover first - there are two small screws on top part of this back cover and that can be removed to take out this cover to see the idler! if you remove the top cover you are not seeing the idler good luck and do not spray such liquids on the belts or for that matter any liquids in to that part - you may find the machine will stop working or face new problems! Kannan --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:50 AM I opened my bx125 looking for the idler tire. Sadly I had no idea and I fitted it back and gave up. On a side note, its rewinding better and better. Maybe I’ll put my rubber rejuvenating stuff on a q tip and hit the outsides of the belts I can see. Cool. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:03 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. Fred, MCM Electronics carry an idler tire (that they call 'Onkyo type tire) that fits Sankyo transports. It currently goes for $1.49 apiece. Their part number is 32-5665. Unfortunately, they also charge $9 for shipping, so it makes sense to only order tires when some other stuff is needed. Replacing the tire is a simple, easy job. There are two risks, though. First, the tiny retaining washer for the idler tends to disappear (I always use your trick of placing a small rag behind the idler and haven't lost one yet). Second, the idler arm is, indeed, very fragile and should be treated with utmost care. However, once these risks are kept in mind, the job can be done in just a few minutes by anyone with even moderate technical skills. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 9:50 PM Although Nakamichis are a welcome exception, largely due to Marrs Communications, repairing idler tires is often the ONLY solution. A great many tires are no longer available, and no reasonable substitute exists. I might even go so far as to say that if you can't restore a great many idler tires, you can only service a limited variety of cassette decks. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Ron wrote: I agree. Trying to repair an idler tire doesn't make sense. Last time I looked they were less than a buck apiece. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:06 PM This would be a short time solution as the idler tire is so small and worn out tire won't last long . Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance kannan --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. Thanks much. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath > wrote: I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its not rewinding. Cool. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Seshadri, Srinath Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues. Thanks for replying Ron. As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything when I bought it. Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and FF perfectly all along. So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see what it does ? Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath > wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots. tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh > wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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In-Reply-To: <225909.88669.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <735503.35895.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> it was just about 15 months ago i tried changing my first mr-1 i-tire. if not for the same directions, i would have never known to remove the well plate to find it. (dealing with those little screws is the hardest part of the job!) and i have zero tech skills myself. i do hope he tries it again. --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 2:08 PM Jay, no offense but if he couldn't find the idler, maybe its a good thing he gave up  :-).  Barging into the transport with no technical skills whatsoever can do harm that would be difficult (not to mention, expensive) to fix. BTW, putting rubber rejuvenator on the outside of belts probably won't do any harm, but it won't do any good, either. See what I mean? -- Ron --- On Thu, 8/19/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 3:26 PM don't give up yet! here are directions with photo to guide you- http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 7:50 AM I opened my bx125 looking for the idler tire. Sadly I had no idea and I fitted it back and gave up. On a side note, its rewinding better and better. Maybe I’ll put my rubber rejuvenating stuff on a q tip and hit the outsides of the belts I can see. Cool. Srinath.     This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. 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Barging into the transport with no technical skills whatsoever can do harm that would be difficult (not to mention, expensive) to fix. BTW, putting rubber rejuvenator on the outside of belts probably won't do any harm, but it won't do any good, either. See what I mean? -- Ron --- On Thu, 8/19/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 3:26 PM don't give up yet! here are directions with photo to guide you- http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 7:50 AM I opened my bx125 looking for the idler tire. Sadly I had no idea and I fitted it back and gave up. On a side note, its rewinding better and better. 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You may not see it, because it's off the bottom of your screen, but it's a pain with the digest version when they all pile up. Thanks, John From r1seals at yahoo.com Fri Aug 20 15:48:09 2010 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 06:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues. In-Reply-To: <225909.88669.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <802803.21684.qm@web50007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have to agree with Ron here but if there were a youtube video of the process that would help  or if he knows of someone who has done this kind of thing and could show him what you should do and what not to do like when putting the small washer on to brace the arm from underneath with a toothpick or the sorts.   it really is not that hard but if your not up to the challenge don't do it. --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 4:08 PM Jay, no offense but if he couldn't find the idler, maybe its a good thing he gave up  :-).  Barging into the transport with no technical skills whatsoever can do harm that would be difficult (not to mention, expensive) to fix. BTW, putting rubber rejuvenator on the outside of belts probably won't do any harm, but it won't do any good, either. See what I mean? -- Ron --- On Thu, 8/19/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 3:26 PM don't give up yet! here are directions with photo to guide you- http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 7:50 AM I opened my bx125 looking for the idler tire. Sadly I had no idea and I fitted it back and gave up. On a side note, its rewinding better and better. Maybe I’ll put my rubber rejuvenating stuff on a q tip and hit the outsides of the belts I can see. Cool. Srinath.     This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. 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Next, pick up the set and turn if face down and shake it -- to get all the tiny bits of plastic and tape debris to come out. * * * * * Again, if a cycle couldn't finish, that's due to a belt or motor. If the set ate a tape, that's usually due to a failure of the takeup reel, and that failure is normally caused by a defective reel-drive-idler tire. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jerry McPhail wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Okay, I was stupid, I admit it -- got too busy with work and blew off > cleaning my namakichi 700 ... so now it ate a tape and the tape door is > jammed solid. So how do i get the tape out without busting the deck, and > have i screwed up the deck? 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <595580.57279.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Fred, over time I have used probably 30-40 of those 32-5665 tires (ever since they cost 57 cents apiece). All worked as well as the original. Of course, the tire has to be seated correctly in/on the idler, which can be a bitch to do. Once seated correctly, the edge is not concave -- it lies flat on the hub, as it should. -- Ron   --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 3:52 PM I have several pieces of 32-5665 in stock. I'm not sure it works as well as I'd like, but it does work. The original idler tires tend to get a concave surface, and so, no longer grip the reel table rim sufficiently. Sometimes as well, they actually crack all the way through. Yup, those idler arms can be easily broken. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Ron wrote: Fred, MCM Electronics carry an idler tire (that they call 'Onkyo type tire) that fits Sankyo transports. It currently goes for $1.49 apiece. Their part number is 32-5665. Unfortunately, they also charge $9 for shipping, so it makes sense to only order tires when some other stuff is needed. Replacing the tire is a simple, easy job. There are two risks, though. First, the tiny retaining washer for the idler tends to disappear (I always use your trick of placing a small rag behind the idler and haven't lost one yet). Second, the idler arm is, indeed, very fragile and should be treated with utmost care. However, once these risks are kept in mind, the job can be done in just a few minutes by anyone with even moderate technical skills. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 9:50 PM Although Nakamichis are a welcome exception, largely due to Marrs Communications, repairing idler tires is often the ONLY solution. A great many tires are no longer available, and no reasonable substitute exists. I might even go so far as to say that if you can't restore a great many idler tires, you can only service a limited variety of cassette decks. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Ron wrote: I agree. Trying to repair an idler tire doesn't make sense. Last time I looked they were less than a buck apiece. -- Ron --- On Wed, 8/18/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:06 PM This would be a short time solution as the idler tire is so small and worn out tire won't last long . Get a new tire ( including eslabs ones or cheaper ebay ones ) and install for couple of years trouble free performance kannan --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX125 issues. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:22 PM Aaaah Great, I may not have the nerve to hit it with 1000 grit sand paper, but I will clean it with Q tip and alcohol. Then we see how it goes, then put in rejuvenator. I have some good rejuvenator too, I bought mine at the Harley store 10 years ago. Small tube lasts forever even if you have a fleet of belt driven bikes like I do. Thanks much. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   If fast wind is compromised, and if the mechanism uses a TIRE, I often lightly sand the tire's surface with #1000 or #2000 sandpaper, and then I treat the surface with this wonderful chemical -- http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: I’ve rewind more tapes in the last 3 hours than I have in the last 5 years. Its improved … a lot. Its now limited to tapes that are first time for it and generally tapes that are marginal to start with. I am cleaning it a bit when I get a chance but else I am calling his one fine and dandy, just useable. Since I have a dozen cassette players and 5 are naks I think its going to sit there more than anything else. I better look at other decks that don’t rewind, like my ta2060 and clean em, cos rewind don’t use belts as you’ve explained it. I’d better figure out why its not rewinding. Cool. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Seshadri, Srinath Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX125 issues.   Thanks for replying Ron. As a follow up question – it was trying to rewind but not doing anything when I bought it. Now it does rewind, it rattles and makes some squeaky noises. It played and FF perfectly all along. So you think I could clean the reel motor and check the idler tire and see what it does ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   REW does not use a belt. If it plays but does not rewind, the problem could be caused by a bad reel motor or (less likely) a bad idler tire or (even less likely) an electronics malfunction. -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:32 AM My nak bx-125 which used to not rewind at all a few days ago – jus tused to try to rewind but never move the tape, started to rewind and it’s a little choppy and squeaky now. I am wondering what can be used to freshen up the belts in there. I am hoping to not change them, I will likely screw up big if I try that. Can I clean it with a Qtip ? how about alcohol ? head cleaning fluid ? acetone ? kerosene ? baby powder ? Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem   Kelvin, Try moving the mode cam pulley with your finger or a pencil erasure. All should return to normal. The cam motor has a dead spot. Deoxit may help it work a while longer. Many Nak owners "exercise thier collection once a month. The exercise keeps the belts from developing flat spots.   tom brucker On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, winnie pooh wrote: Hi everyone, My CR-7E has just developed a problem and I am looking for help in fixing it. A bit of background: My CR-7E was fuly serviced by Bowers & Wilkins in England 6 years ago, they had done a good job and everything was working to Nak specs. The only thing is I think they did not replace any orange caps as this was not mentioned on the service note and I am not sure if they routinely replaced them or not. It was working fine until yesterday. I had not switched it on for about 2 or 3 months and yesterday decided to switch it on. I have not inserted a tape yet but had pressed play inadvertently and then the Play, FF, REW, Pause and Fader up buttons just lit up and stayed on. I cannot open the cassette well door to insert a tape and it would not respond to anything. Tried switching it off and on but the same problem persisted. Basically now I cannot eject open the cassette well door, the CR-7E just stays like this with the buttons lit up and I am unable to get it into play or FF or REW or anything. Is this due to orange caps or belts or a seized motor? I have not taken it apart or lifted the lid yet as I wanted to see what you experts advise first. Thanks in advance for your help. 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David On 20/08/10 10:03 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:31:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Berger > Subject: [naktalk] A protocol request for non-digest readers > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <1120276566.2302.1282282284907.JavaMail.root at zimbra.well.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > For those of you who do not read Naktalk as the digest: > > Please trim out excess text when you reply to someone's message; it makes > reading the digest version much more tolerable. > > For example, the most recent digest message included nearly 80 copies of > someone's full-screen, automatically applied disclaimer signature (automatic, > because he's sending out from work email). Eighty copies! And that was for > only six or seven actual messages, because of replies that included the > message, and replies to the message, and replies to the replies, and every one > included the signature paragraphs. > > You may not see it, because it's off the bottom of your screen, but it's a > pain with the digest version when they all pile up. > > Thanks, > John From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 05:21:20 2010 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:21:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hep needed with 700 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey thanx for the help Fred, Bummer of it is the 700 ate the tape. Any thoughts on how to open the deck up and get to the tape. it has that wierd side-openning door and its jammed to solid to open the door even a little. Oh and keep in mind Im not an electronics guy, I just play tape decks I dont fix 'em. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Fred Longworth < classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > If the cycling mechanism is jammed, take off the cover, reach inside (don't > shock yourself!) and complete the cycling operation that the machine cannot > complete on its own due to a bad belt or defective control motor. > > If the set ate a tape such that tape is wound around the capstan, defeating > the eject function, then see if you can get the cover off the door. If you > can, use an Xacto knife to cut away the portion of the plastic cassette > housing that surrounds the "ball of tape" that is wound around the capstan. > Then use that same blade to gradually trim away the layers of tape until the > capstan is free. When the capstan is free, the eject function can be done. > > Next, pick up the set and turn if face down and shake it -- to get all the > tiny bits of plastic and tape debris to come out. > > * * * * * > > Again, if a cycle couldn't finish, that's due to a belt or motor. If the > set ate a tape, that's usually due to a failure of the takeup reel, and that > failure is normally caused by a defective reel-drive-idler tire. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jerry McPhail wrote: > >> Hi Guys, >> >> Okay, I was stupid, I admit it -- got too busy with work and blew off >> cleaning my namakichi 700 ... so now it ate a tape and the tape door is >> jammed solid. So how do i get the tape out without busting the deck, and >> have i screwed up the deck? (and what was worse is I was listening to a >> test mix of an album i had just had recorded. so I have to go back to the >> studio and admit I was a numb nuts and ruined the tape.) >> >> Oh well at least I didn't get myself stuck in the tape deck! >> -- >> Jerry McPhail >> McPhail Music >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I turn the flywheel with my hand back and forth while depressing the EJECT button. This tends to slightly loosen the bound-up tape wound around the capstan. Often, after doing this for a couple of minutes, I can get the door to open just a little -- say, 1/4 to 1/2 inch. Then, with it open just a little, I can finesse the cover off the front of the pop-out carriage. At this point, you have to make a decision. Sometimes to get the cover off, you have to break some mounting or locating tabs. You have to say to yourself, "It's either this, or something more radical." Once the cover is off, follow the procedure I explained earlier to get the tape out. NOTE: I've found that a nice, sharp Xacto knife is almost indispensable in getting the tape out. You really do have to carve the plastic to gain access to the "ball of tape." Then you have to carve away the ball of tape. Only then will the tape come out. Good luck this this. Keep me posted. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Jerry McPhail wrote: > Hey thanx for the help Fred, > > Bummer of it is the 700 ate the tape. Any thoughts on how to open the deck > up and get to the tape. it has that wierd side-openning door and its jammed > to solid to open the door even a little. Oh and keep in mind Im not an > electronics guy, I just play tape decks I dont fix 'em. > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Fred Longworth < > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > >> If the cycling mechanism is jammed, take off the cover, reach inside >> (don't shock yourself!) and complete the cycling operation that the machine >> cannot complete on its own due to a bad belt or defective control motor. >> >> If the set ate a tape such that tape is wound around the capstan, >> defeating the eject function, then see if you can get the cover off the >> door. If you can, use an Xacto knife to cut away the portion of the plastic >> cassette housing that surrounds the "ball of tape" that is wound around the >> capstan. Then use that same blade to gradually trim away the layers of tape >> until the capstan is free. When the capstan is free, the eject function can >> be done. >> >> Next, pick up the set and turn if face down and shake it -- to get all the >> tiny bits of plastic and tape debris to come out. >> >> * * * * * >> >> Again, if a cycle couldn't finish, that's due to a belt or motor. If the >> set ate a tape, that's usually due to a failure of the takeup reel, and that >> failure is normally caused by a defective reel-drive-idler tire. >> >> Fred >> Classic Audio Repair >> www.repairaudio.com >> >> * * * * * >> >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jerry McPhail wrote: >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> Okay, I was stupid, I admit it -- got too busy with work and blew off >>> cleaning my namakichi 700 ... so now it ate a tape and the tape door is >>> jammed solid. So how do i get the tape out without busting the deck, and >>> have i screwed up the deck? (and what was worse is I was listening to a >>> test mix of an album i had just had recorded. so I have to go back to the >>> studio and admit I was a numb nuts and ruined the tape.) >>> >>> Oh well at least I didn't get myself stuck in the tape deck! >>> -- >>> Jerry McPhail >>> McPhail Music >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Jerry McPhail > McPhail & Dunn Photography > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Aug 23 02:47:28 2010 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:47:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: <430032.26301.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: , <430032.26301.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Had a go at fixing the CR-7E yesterday. The problem is as you all said, the cam mode motor was at fault. I nudged the gears and all was well again. Full function was restored. I then looked at it and to be honest, it seemed as if I have to remove the entire transport to get the cam motor out? I don't think I can get it out with just removing the PCB on the top of the transport. Since it is working again, I decided to wait and ask for further help and instructions on how to remove the cam motor before doing the rebuild. Is there an easy way to get it out without having to remove the entire transport? Hope so. Thank you. 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I nudged the gears and all was well again. Full function was restored. I then looked at it and to be honest, it seemed as if I have to remove the entire transport to get the cam motor out? I don't think I can get it out with just removing the PCB on the top of the transport. Since it is working again, I decided to wait and ask for further help and instructions on how to remove the cam motor before doing the rebuild. Is there an easy way to get it out without having to remove the entire transport? Hope so. Thank you. 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That's a really sinking feeling that tells me the sweet end just eluded me. Cheers! --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 10:20 PM Actually, it is easier if you remove the transport. With the transport in-situ, access to the rear of the transport is rather limited. I know I have done it without removing the transport, several times (I  am the lazy sort) but can't give you a blow by blow list of steps. I tend to feel technically competent. I just start  to remove stuff and stop when I have the motor im my hand. -- Ron --- On Sun, 8/22/10, winnie pooh wrote: From: winnie pooh Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "naktalk" Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 8:47 PM Hi all, Had a go at fixing the CR-7E yesterday. The problem is as you all said, the cam mode motor was at fault. I nudged the gears and all was well again. Full function was restored. I then looked at it and to be honest, it seemed as if I have to remove the entire transport to get the cam motor out? I don't think I can get it out with just removing the PCB on the top of the transport. Since it is working again, I decided to wait and ask for further help and instructions on how to remove the cam motor before doing the rebuild. Is there an easy way to get it out without having to remove the entire transport? Hope so. Thank you. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 15:51:50 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: <66490.62353.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <931463.47580.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Doesn't happen to me. At least, not very often. I took an aircraft engine mechanic course a long time ago, when engines still had pistons in them. In one class of the course, each trainee was given a carburetor and told to take it apart, down to the last screw, nut and bolt. Then, we were told to put it all back together again, without benefit of the exploded view drawing. All told, there were several hundred parts. Anyone that had even a single washer left, was allowed to study the drawing, then told to put the part where it belonged. This was repeated until no parts were left. This was in the air force and cheating (like, furtively throwing parts away) could cost 21 days in the stockade. Most of us did it quite a few times. That was excellent  training... So, no, it doesn't happen to me. At least, not very often. -- Ron   --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 1:45 PM Presumably, you don't put everything back and realize there is still a washer left on the table! That's a really sinking feeling that tells me the sweet end just eluded me. Cheers! --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 10:20 PM Actually, it is easier if you remove the transport. With the transport in-situ, access to the rear of the transport is rather limited. I know I have done it without removing the transport, several times (I  am the lazy sort) but can't give you a blow by blow list of steps. I tend to feel technically competent. I just start  to remove stuff and stop when I have the motor im my hand. -- Ron --- On Sun, 8/22/10, winnie pooh wrote: From: winnie pooh Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "naktalk" Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 8:47 PM Hi all, Had a go at fixing the CR-7E yesterday. The problem is as you all said, the cam mode motor was at fault. I nudged the gears and all was well again. Full function was restored. I then looked at it and to be honest, it seemed as if I have to remove the entire transport to get the cam motor out? I don't think I can get it out with just removing the PCB on the top of the transport. Since it is working again, I decided to wait and ask for further help and instructions on how to remove the cam motor before doing the rebuild. Is there an easy way to get it out without having to remove the entire transport? Hope so. Thank you. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 18:44:26 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem In-Reply-To: <931463.47580.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <976020.79096.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Comparing piston aircraft engines, a Sankyo transport should be a piece of cake. Training today is so different with virtual reality simulations, and very detailed SOP procedures. People are spoilt ! --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 9:51 PM Doesn't happen to me. At least, not very often. I took an aircraft engine mechanic course a long time ago, when engines still had pistons in them. In one class of the course, each trainee was given a carburetor and told to take it apart, down to the last screw, nut and bolt. Then, we were told to put it all back together again, without benefit of the exploded view drawing. All told, there were several hundred parts. Anyone that had even a single washer left, was allowed to study the drawing, then told to put the part where it belonged. This was repeated until no parts were left. This was in the air force and cheating (like, furtively throwing parts away) could cost 21 days in the stockade. Most of us did it quite a few times. That was excellent  training... So, no, it doesn't happen to me. At least, not very often. -- Ron   --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 1:45 PM Presumably, you don't put everything back and realize there is still a washer left on the table! That's a really sinking feeling that tells me the sweet end just eluded me. Cheers! --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 10:20 PM Actually, it is easier if you remove the transport. With the transport in-situ, access to the rear of the transport is rather limited. I know I have done it without removing the transport, several times (I  am the lazy sort) but can't give you a blow by blow list of steps. I tend to feel technically competent. I just start  to remove stuff and stop when I have the motor im my hand. -- Ron --- On Sun, 8/22/10, winnie pooh wrote: From: winnie pooh Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E has a problem To: "naktalk" Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 8:47 PM Hi all, Had a go at fixing the CR-7E yesterday. The problem is as you all said, the cam mode motor was at fault. I nudged the gears and all was well again. Full function was restored. I then looked at it and to be honest, it seemed as if I have to remove the entire transport to get the cam motor out? I don't think I can get it out with just removing the PCB on the top of the transport. Since it is working again, I decided to wait and ask for further help and instructions on how to remove the cam motor before doing the rebuild. Is there an easy way to get it out without having to remove the entire transport? Hope so. Thank you. 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URL: From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Wed Aug 25 01:06:32 2010 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:06:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hep needed with 700 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay thanks for the addl info but like i said Im not an electronics guy, and opening up the deck is sort of intimidating. Any tips or directions on how to open up, disassemble and assemble a Nak 700 specifically? On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Fred Longworth < classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > Hmm. > > Usually what I do is pull the cover plate and grab the rear-end of the > capstan flywheel. Remember that the *front end* of the capstan is what the > tape is wrapped tightly around. I turn the flywheel with my hand back and > forth while depressing the EJECT button. This tends to slightly loosen the > bound-up tape wound around the capstan. Often, after doing this for a couple > of minutes, I can get the door to open just a little -- say, 1/4 to 1/2 > inch. Then, with it open just a little, I can finesse the cover off the > front of the pop-out carriage. > > At this point, you have to make a decision. Sometimes to get the cover off, > you have to break some mounting or locating tabs. You have to say to > yourself, "It's either this, or something more radical." > > Once the cover is off, follow the procedure I explained earlier to get the > tape out. NOTE: I've found that a nice, sharp Xacto knife is almost > indispensable in getting the tape out. You really do have to carve the > plastic to gain access to the "ball of tape." Then you have to carve away > the ball of tape. Only then will the tape come out. > > Good luck this this. Keep me posted. > > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Jerry McPhail wrote: > >> Hey thanx for the help Fred, >> >> Bummer of it is the 700 ate the tape. Any thoughts on how to open the deck >> up and get to the tape. it has that wierd side-openning door and its jammed >> to solid to open the door even a little. Oh and keep in mind Im not an >> electronics guy, I just play tape decks I dont fix 'em. >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Fred Longworth < >> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If the cycling mechanism is jammed, take off the cover, reach inside >>> (don't shock yourself!) and complete the cycling operation that the machine >>> cannot complete on its own due to a bad belt or defective control motor. >>> >>> If the set ate a tape such that tape is wound around the capstan, >>> defeating the eject function, then see if you can get the cover off the >>> door. If you can, use an Xacto knife to cut away the portion of the plastic >>> cassette housing that surrounds the "ball of tape" that is wound around the >>> capstan. Then use that same blade to gradually trim away the layers of tape >>> until the capstan is free. When the capstan is free, the eject function can >>> be done. >>> >>> Next, pick up the set and turn if face down and shake it -- to get all >>> the tiny bits of plastic and tape debris to come out. >>> >>> * * * * * >>> >>> Again, if a cycle couldn't finish, that's due to a belt or motor. If the >>> set ate a tape, that's usually due to a failure of the takeup reel, and that >>> failure is normally caused by a defective reel-drive-idler tire. >>> >>> Fred >>> Classic Audio Repair >>> www.repairaudio.com >>> >>> * * * * * >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jerry McPhail wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Guys, >>>> >>>> Okay, I was stupid, I admit it -- got too busy with work and blew off >>>> cleaning my namakichi 700 ... so now it ate a tape and the tape door is >>>> jammed solid. So how do i get the tape out without busting the deck, and >>>> have i screwed up the deck? (and what was worse is I was listening to a >>>> test mix of an album i had just had recorded. so I have to go back to the >>>> studio and admit I was a numb nuts and ruined the tape.) >>>> >>>> Oh well at least I didn't get myself stuck in the tape deck! >>>> -- >>>> Jerry McPhail >>>> McPhail Music >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jerry McPhail >> McPhail & Dunn Photography >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Aug 26 07:42:19 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:42:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hep needed with 700 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since you are a novice, I suggest you find someone in your area who is comfortable with pulling apart audio gear. Get them to work with you on your machine. If you're quick, you'll absorb a great deal of "how to" knowledge in only a few hours. This IS a hands-on, show-me kind of thing, like teaching someone how to tie shoelaces. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Jerry McPhail wrote: > Okay thanks for the addl info but like i said Im not an electronics guy, > and opening up the deck is sort of intimidating. Any tips or directions on > how to open up, disassemble and assemble a Nak 700 specifically? > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Fred Longworth < > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hmm. >> >> Usually what I do is pull the cover plate and grab the rear-end of the >> capstan flywheel. Remember that the *front end* of the capstan is what >> the tape is wrapped tightly around. I turn the flywheel with my hand back >> and forth while depressing the EJECT button. This tends to slightly loosen >> the bound-up tape wound around the capstan. Often, after doing this for a >> couple of minutes, I can get the door to open just a little -- say, 1/4 to >> 1/2 inch. Then, with it open just a little, I can finesse the cover off the >> front of the pop-out carriage. >> >> At this point, you have to make a decision. Sometimes to get the cover >> off, you have to break some mounting or locating tabs. You have to say to >> yourself, "It's either this, or something more radical." >> >> Once the cover is off, follow the procedure I explained earlier to get the >> tape out. NOTE: I've found that a nice, sharp Xacto knife is almost >> indispensable in getting the tape out. You really do have to carve the >> plastic to gain access to the "ball of tape." Then you have to carve away >> the ball of tape. Only then will the tape come out. >> >> Good luck this this. Keep me posted. >> >> >> Fred >> Classic Audio Repair >> www.repairaudio.com >> >> * * * * * >> >> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Jerry McPhail wrote: >> >>> Hey thanx for the help Fred, >>> >>> Bummer of it is the 700 ate the tape. Any thoughts on how to open the >>> deck up and get to the tape. it has that wierd side-openning door and its >>> jammed to solid to open the door even a little. Oh and keep in mind Im not >>> an electronics guy, I just play tape decks I dont fix 'em. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Fred Longworth < >>> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> If the cycling mechanism is jammed, take off the cover, reach inside >>>> (don't shock yourself!) and complete the cycling operation that the machine >>>> cannot complete on its own due to a bad belt or defective control motor. >>>> >>>> If the set ate a tape such that tape is wound around the capstan, >>>> defeating the eject function, then see if you can get the cover off the >>>> door. If you can, use an Xacto knife to cut away the portion of the plastic >>>> cassette housing that surrounds the "ball of tape" that is wound around the >>>> capstan. Then use that same blade to gradually trim away the layers of tape >>>> until the capstan is free. When the capstan is free, the eject function can >>>> be done. >>>> >>>> Next, pick up the set and turn if face down and shake it -- to get all >>>> the tiny bits of plastic and tape debris to come out. >>>> >>>> * * * * * >>>> >>>> Again, if a cycle couldn't finish, that's due to a belt or motor. If the >>>> set ate a tape, that's usually due to a failure of the takeup reel, and that >>>> failure is normally caused by a defective reel-drive-idler tire. >>>> >>>> Fred >>>> Classic Audio Repair >>>> www.repairaudio.com >>>> >>>> * * * * * >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jerry McPhail >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>> >>>>> Okay, I was stupid, I admit it -- got too busy with work and blew off >>>>> cleaning my namakichi 700 ... so now it ate a tape and the tape door is >>>>> jammed solid. So how do i get the tape out without busting the deck, and >>>>> have i screwed up the deck? (and what was worse is I was listening to a >>>>> test mix of an album i had just had recorded. so I have to go back to the >>>>> studio and admit I was a numb nuts and ruined the tape.) >>>>> >>>>> Oh well at least I didn't get myself stuck in the tape deck! >>>>> -- >>>>> Jerry McPhail >>>>> McPhail Music >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jerry McPhail >>> McPhail & Dunn Photography >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Jerry McPhail > McPhail & Dunn Photography > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Sat Aug 28 05:12:39 2010 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:12:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 8-27-10 80034-D5 Factory Kits ON SALE ! $26.95 Message-ID: <4C787EA7.60100@marrscom.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Sat Aug 28 11:43:02 2010 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 04:43:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hep needed with 700 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, well thanks anyway, though the last piece of advice isnt really too helpful or practical in my situation. I guess I just was assuming someone herw would have a disassembly diagram or something like that that would help. I think i'll probably just sell the deck off as is, I have two other Naks that work ok. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Fred Longworth < classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > Since you are a novice, I suggest you find someone in your area who is > comfortable with pulling apart audio gear. Get them to work with you on your > machine. If you're quick, you'll absorb a great deal of "how to" knowledge > in only a few hours. > > This IS a hands-on, show-me kind of thing, like teaching someone how to tie > shoelaces. > > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Jerry McPhail wrote: > >> Okay thanks for the addl info but like i said Im not an electronics guy, >> and opening up the deck is sort of intimidating. Any tips or directions on >> how to open up, disassemble and assemble a Nak 700 specifically? >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Fred Longworth < >> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hmm. >>> >>> Usually what I do is pull the cover plate and grab the rear-end of the >>> capstan flywheel. Remember that the *front end* of the capstan is what >>> the tape is wrapped tightly around. I turn the flywheel with my hand back >>> and forth while depressing the EJECT button. This tends to slightly loosen >>> the bound-up tape wound around the capstan. Often, after doing this for a >>> couple of minutes, I can get the door to open just a little -- say, 1/4 to >>> 1/2 inch. Then, with it open just a little, I can finesse the cover off the >>> front of the pop-out carriage. >>> >>> At this point, you have to make a decision. Sometimes to get the cover >>> off, you have to break some mounting or locating tabs. You have to say to >>> yourself, "It's either this, or something more radical." >>> >>> Once the cover is off, follow the procedure I explained earlier to get >>> the tape out. NOTE: I've found that a nice, sharp Xacto knife is almost >>> indispensable in getting the tape out. You really do have to carve the >>> plastic to gain access to the "ball of tape." Then you have to carve away >>> the ball of tape. Only then will the tape come out. >>> >>> Good luck this this. Keep me posted. >>> >>> >>> Fred >>> Classic Audio Repair >>> www.repairaudio.com >>> >>> * * * * * >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Jerry McPhail wrote: >>> >>>> Hey thanx for the help Fred, >>>> >>>> Bummer of it is the 700 ate the tape. Any thoughts on how to open the >>>> deck up and get to the tape. it has that wierd side-openning door and its >>>> jammed to solid to open the door even a little. Oh and keep in mind Im not >>>> an electronics guy, I just play tape decks I dont fix 'em. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Fred Longworth < >>>> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If the cycling mechanism is jammed, take off the cover, reach inside >>>>> (don't shock yourself!) and complete the cycling operation that the machine >>>>> cannot complete on its own due to a bad belt or defective control motor. >>>>> >>>>> If the set ate a tape such that tape is wound around the capstan, >>>>> defeating the eject function, then see if you can get the cover off the >>>>> door. If you can, use an Xacto knife to cut away the portion of the plastic >>>>> cassette housing that surrounds the "ball of tape" that is wound around the >>>>> capstan. Then use that same blade to gradually trim away the layers of tape >>>>> until the capstan is free. When the capstan is free, the eject function can >>>>> be done. >>>>> >>>>> Next, pick up the set and turn if face down and shake it -- to get all >>>>> the tiny bits of plastic and tape debris to come out. >>>>> >>>>> * * * * * >>>>> >>>>> Again, if a cycle couldn't finish, that's due to a belt or motor. If >>>>> the set ate a tape, that's usually due to a failure of the takeup reel, and >>>>> that failure is normally caused by a defective reel-drive-idler tire. >>>>> >>>>> Fred >>>>> Classic Audio Repair >>>>> www.repairaudio.com >>>>> >>>>> * * * * * >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jerry McPhail < >>>>> jerry.mcphail at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay, I was stupid, I admit it -- got too busy with work and blew off >>>>>> cleaning my namakichi 700 ... so now it ate a tape and the tape door is >>>>>> jammed solid. So how do i get the tape out without busting the deck, and >>>>>> have i screwed up the deck? (and what was worse is I was listening to a >>>>>> test mix of an album i had just had recorded. so I have to go back to the >>>>>> studio and admit I was a numb nuts and ruined the tape.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh well at least I didn't get myself stuck in the tape deck! >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jerry McPhail >>>>>> McPhail Music >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jerry McPhail >>>> McPhail & Dunn Photography >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jerry McPhail >> McPhail & Dunn Photography >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It then went into several more cycles of this before I shut it off. I figured it must be that I got the phasing of the pot that senses shuttle position wrong, so I manually backed the shuttle all the way in and set the pot for all the way in, then re-meshed the gears. Now it doesn't want to go anywhere, and I can't even manually move the shuttle with the power off. Any good tips here for getting the shuttle working again? Thanks, Jerry Helffrich 4 Naks, 1 HK, 1 Aiwa, 1 Yamaha plus assorted R2R's *************************************** From luis at peromarta.org Mon Aug 30 12:54:09 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:54:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with tape flip mechanism on RX-202 In-Reply-To: <240301.71920.qm@web113507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <201008111017.o7BA8aqS019855@zxe.naks.com> <240301.71920.qm@web113507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try this: http://bit.ly/bCMfqN rgds, LP. El 30/08/2010, a las 03:12, j. helffrich escribió: > Hi Nakkers, > I am working on my old RX-202, that used to work fine until I left it unused > for about a year and a half. Then it had the idler wheel issue, and a problem > with not being able to complete the flip cycle on the reverse. I replaced the > idler wheel and got a new belt for the flip motor, which appears to be the one > at the bottom of the deck. Boy that was a tricky one to replace, but I think I > got it in, and the shuttle mechanism pushed the tape out about 1/3 of the way > and then stopped and tried to reverse. It pulled the drawer back in but then > stopped before completely getting home and reversed again. It then went into > several more cycles of this before I shut it off. I figured it must be that I > got the phasing of the pot that senses shuttle position wrong, so I manually > backed the shuttle all the way in and set the pot for all the way in, then > re-meshed the gears. Now it doesn't want to go anywhere, and I can't even > manually move the shuttle with the power off. Any good tips here for getting > the shuttle working again? > > Thanks, > > Jerry Helffrich > 4 Naks, 1 HK, 1 Aiwa, 1 Yamaha plus assorted R2R's > > > > *************************************** > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Aug 30 17:19:25 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:19:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with tape flip mechanism on RX-202 In-Reply-To: References: <201008111017.o7BA8aqS019855@zxe.naks.com> <240301.71920.qm@web113507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The white gears you can see through the hole in the plate supporting the flipper motor both have an arrow at one cog. Those arrows have to line up in order for the mechanism to time correctly. You think replacing the belt was tricky? Wait till you try to see those marks and line them up without derailing the belt again! Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > Try this: > > http://bit.ly/bCMfqN > > rgds, LP. > > El 30/08/2010, a las 03:12, j. helffrich escribió: > > > Hi Nakkers, > > I am working on my old RX-202, that used to work fine until I left it > unused > > for about a year and a half. Then it had the idler wheel issue, and a > problem > > with not being able to complete the flip cycle on the reverse. I > replaced the > > idler wheel and got a new belt for the flip motor, which appears to be > the one > > at the bottom of the deck. Boy that was a tricky one to replace, but I > think I > > got it in, and the shuttle mechanism pushed the tape out about 1/3 of the > way > > and then stopped and tried to reverse. It pulled the drawer back in but > then > > stopped before completely getting home and reversed again. It then went > into > > several more cycles of this before I shut it off. I figured it must be > that I > > got the phasing of the pot that senses shuttle position wrong, so I > manually > > backed the shuttle all the way in and set the pot for all the way in, > then > > re-meshed the gears. Now it doesn't want to go anywhere, and I can't > even > > manually move the shuttle with the power off. 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Willy On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: Try this: > >http://bit.ly/bCMfqN > >rgds, LP. > >El 30/08/2010, a las 03:12, j. helffrich escribió: > > >> Hi Nakkers, >>  I am working on my old RX-202, that used to work fine until I left it unused >> for about a year and a half.  Then it had the idler wheel issue, and a problem >> with not being able to complete the flip cycle on the reverse.  I replaced the >> idler wheel and got a new belt for the flip motor, which appears to be the one >> at the bottom of the deck.  Boy that was a tricky one to replace, but I think >I >> got it in, and the shuttle mechanism pushed the tape out about 1/3 of the way >> and then stopped and tried to reverse.  It pulled the drawer back in but then >> stopped before completely getting home and reversed again.  It then went into >> several more cycles of this before I shut it off.  I figured it must be that I >> got the phasing of the pot that senses shuttle position wrong, so I manually >> backed the shuttle all the way in and set the pot for all the way in, then >> re-meshed the gears.  Now it doesn't want to go anywhere, and I can't even >> manually move the shuttle with the power off.  Any good tips here for getting >> the shuttle working again? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jerry Helffrich >> 4 Naks, 1 HK, 1 Aiwa, 1 Yamaha plus assorted R2R's >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SJ ________________________________ From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 8:19:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problems with tape flip mechanism on RX-202 The white gears you can see through the hole in the plate supporting the flipper motor both have an arrow at one cog.  Those arrows have to line up in order for the mechanism to time correctly.  You think replacing the belt was tricky?  Wait till you try to see those marks and line them up without derailing the belt again! Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: Try this: > >http://bit.ly/bCMfqN > >rgds, LP. > >El 30/08/2010, a las 03:12, j. helffrich escribió: > > >> Hi Nakkers, >>  I am working on my old RX-202, that used to work fine until I left it unused >> for about a year and a half.  Then it had the idler wheel issue, and a problem >> with not being able to complete the flip cycle on the reverse.  I replaced the >> idler wheel and got a new belt for the flip motor, which appears to be the one >> at the bottom of the deck.  Boy that was a tricky one to replace, but I think >I >> got it in, and the shuttle mechanism pushed the tape out about 1/3 of the way >> and then stopped and tried to reverse.  It pulled the drawer back in but then >> stopped before completely getting home and reversed again.  It then went into >> several more cycles of this before I shut it off.  I figured it must be that I >> got the phasing of the pot that senses shuttle position wrong, so I manually >> backed the shuttle all the way in and set the pot for all the way in, then >> re-meshed the gears.  Now it doesn't want to go anywhere, and I can't even >> manually move the shuttle with the power off.  Any good tips here for getting >> the shuttle working again? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jerry Helffrich >> 4 Naks, 1 HK, 1 Aiwa, 1 Yamaha plus assorted R2R's >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Vic On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, John Gipps wrote: > Hi All This seller sounds pretty honest - it doesn't work - it's got some aesthetic defects - but he's unashamedly asking for $AUD3500+ (that's about $3125US) - it'll be interesting to see what it goes for. ebay #320583424486. Regards John Gipps Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2010\2010-December.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Dec 1 01:19:32 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:19:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 donation In-Reply-To: <788134569-1291152242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492431-@bda801.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <788134569-1291152242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492431-@bda801.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I don't understand the question. I'll be here most of the day tomorrow if that's what you're getting at. Thanks for the donation! Willy On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:24 PM, wrote: > I'm in los gatos. Is weds ok? Thanks > > ------Original Message------ > From: Wouter Heijke > Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > ReplyTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2 donation > Sent: Nov 30, 2010 12:07 PM > > No one in the Bay Area??? > > > > > Anyone interested in a tape-eating MR-2 that is being donated through > > naks.com? > > > > It is in the San Jose / Oakland, CA area. > > > > Let me know if you are, > > > > Wouter > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Willy On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Wouter Heijke wrote: No one in the Bay Area??? > > Anyone interested in a tape-eating MR-2 that is being donated through > naks.com? > > It is in the San Jose / Oakland, CA area. > > Let me know if you are, > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From solexny at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 15:45:51 2010 From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:45:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 problems after tire replacment Message-ID: Hi, Last night I replaced the tire on my BX-300. Prior to the replacement, FF, RW and Play would start and stop after a short period of time until the unit "warmed" up. Now with the new tire FF and RW work perfectly, but Play does not work at all. It looks like the tape is being pushed up too high in the bay causing the unit to stop playing. I was very careful when replacing the tire and nothing fell into the machine. Any tips would be appreciated. Regards, Dan From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 17:57:17 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 08:57:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 problems after tire replacment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My guess is that you have a misalignment caused by the tape not sitting in the correct rest position, so that when the heads move into the slots on the cassette itself, they jam against the plastic edges of the tape, pushing it upward. Historically, the most common cause of this is a re-assembly error involving the plate that sits directly behind the cassette tape. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Dan Moy wrote: > Hi, > > Last night I replaced the tire on my BX-300. Prior to the > replacement, FF, RW and Play would start and stop after a short period > of time until the unit "warmed" up. > > Now with the new tire FF and RW work perfectly, but Play does not work > at all. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Wed Dec 1 18:01:57 2010 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:01:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 problems after tire replacment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <369560.64528.qm@web113305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> make sure the back plate is seated in the guide pins just one suggestion Russ --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Dan Moy wrote: From: Dan Moy Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 problems after tire replacment To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 8:45 AM Hi, Last night I replaced the tire on my BX-300.  Prior to the replacement, FF, RW and Play would start and stop after a short period of time until the unit "warmed" up. Now with the new tire FF and RW work perfectly, but Play does not work at all.  It looks like the tape is being pushed up too high in the bay causing the unit to stop playing. I was very careful when replacing the tire and nothing fell into the machine. Any tips would be appreciated. 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URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Wed Dec 1 21:22:54 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:22:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 problems after tire replacment In-Reply-To: <369560.64528.qm@web113305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <571514.34924.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> could be and sounds like the reel motor need cleaning out.   i unplug deck and squirt some deoxit in the slots in the back of the reel motor, let it sit for a minute, plug deck back in, ff and rw a tape all the way thru 2 or 3 times, and it was good to go. if you do that put a paper towel directly under the work area so as to not contaminate other components inside the deck. some frown on this procedure, others praise it. YMMV good luck. --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Russ Seals wrote: From: Russ Seals Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 problems after tire replacment To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 9:01 AM make sure the back plate is seated in the guide pins just one suggestion Russ --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Dan Moy wrote: From: Dan Moy Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 problems after tire replacment To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 8:45 AM Hi, Last night I replaced the tire on my BX-300.  Prior to the replacement, FF, RW and Play would start and stop after a short period of time until the unit "warmed" up. Now with the new tire FF and RW work perfectly, but Play does not work at all.  It looks like the tape is being pushed up too high in the bay causing the unit to stop playing. I was very careful when replacing the tire and nothing fell into the machine. Any tips would be appreciated. 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Thank you, Regards, Dan On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, jay knickerbocker wrote: > could be and sounds like the reel motor need cleaning out. > > i unplug deck and squirt some deoxit in the slots in the back of the reel > motor, let it sit for a minute, plug deck back in, ff and rw a tape all the > way thru 2 or 3 times, and it was good to go. if you do that put a paper > towel directly under the work area so as to not contaminate other components > inside the deck. some frown on this procedure, others praise it. > YMMV > > good luck. > > --- On *Wed, 12/1/10, Russ Seals * wrote: > > > From: Russ Seals > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 problems after tire replacment > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 9:01 AM > > > make sure the back plate is seated in the guide pins just one suggestion > Russ > > --- On *Wed, 12/1/10, Dan Moy * wrote: > > > From: Dan Moy > Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 problems after tire replacment > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 8:45 AM > > Hi, > > Last night I replaced the tire on my BX-300. Prior to the > replacement, FF, RW and Play would start and stop after a short period > of time until the unit "warmed" up. > > Now with the new tire FF and RW work perfectly, but Play does not work > at all. It looks like the tape is being pushed up too high in the bay > causing the unit to stop playing. > > I was very careful when replacing the tire and nothing fell into the > machine. > > Any tips would be appreciated. > > Regards, > Dan > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Without a tape in the FF, Play and Rewind are very quiet, but with a tape it’s noisy. FF and rewind with a tape are quiet. Just to check the tapes themselves I played them in my RX 505 and no problems at all. Is this playback issue something I could fix or something I should get done while the above mods are made. I appreciate your thoughts on this. Regards Neville -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Fri Dec 3 12:52:25 2010 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 12:52:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Rep: CR-7 noise during playback In-Reply-To: <201012031126.oB3B8HIf016212@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4CA9A73F00036807@mail-2-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Hi Neville, Noise should go with the gear upgrade. Eq correction is mostly needed for recording on newer SA-X and XL II S tapes. If you don't use these to record on, it won't do much for you. Happy listening with this wonderfull machine, Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback > >Hi > >I just picked up a near mint condition CR-7 that I know needs the record >equalization correction and the gear drive upgrade as the SN is 3535, but >mechanism is very noisy during playback. Without a tape in the FF, Play and >Rewind are very quiet, but with a tape it???s noisy. FF and rewind with a >tape are quiet. Just to check the tapes themselves I played them in my RX >505 and no problems at all. Is this playback issue something I could fix >or something I should get done while the above mods are made. I appreciate >your thoughts on this. > >Regards > >Neville >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101202/832ea5be/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 3 >************************************** From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Dec 3 13:20:03 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 04:20:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback In-Reply-To: <38D9ECF217AB4216A5A1B81D74FCE4C3@TracyPC> Message-ID: <975270.22829.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> THe CR 7A record equi mod and gear update - both are large amount of work and not a cheap work. After Equi mod, the deck needs AD  calibration ( which are not done by many and require special Gauge) Also the noise should go away with gear mod as your idler drive may be the one causing this noise. So get the above done by somebody who is experienced  and equipped with proper tools kannan  --- On Thu, 12/2/10, Tracy and Neville wrote: From: Tracy and Neville Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 9:54 PM Hi   I just picked up a near mint condition CR-7 that I know needs the record equalization correction and the gear drive upgrade as the SN is 3535, but mechanism is very noisy during playback. Without a tape in the FF, Play and Rewind are very quiet, but with a tape it’s noisy. FF and rewind with a tape are quiet. Just to check the tapes themselves I played them in my RX 505 and no problems at all. Is this playback issue something I could fix or something I should get done while the above mods are made. 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But I never knew a CR7 can be so dead complicated.. Bala ________________________________ From: ScHenk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 7:52:25 PM Subject: [naktalk] Rep: CR-7 noise during playback Hi Neville, Noise should go with the gear upgrade. Eq correction is mostly needed for recording on newer SA-X and XL II S tapes. If you don't use these to record on, it won't do much for you. Happy listening with this wonderfull machine, Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback > >Hi > >I just picked up a near mint condition CR-7 that I know needs the record >equalization correction and the gear drive upgrade as the SN is 3535, but >mechanism is very noisy during playback. Without a tape in the FF, Play and >Rewind are very quiet, but with a tape it???s noisy. FF and rewind with a >tape are quiet. Just to check the tapes themselves I played them in my RX >505 and no problems at all. Is this playback issue something I could fix >or something I should get done while the above mods are made. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Dec 3 15:42:57 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 06:42:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback In-Reply-To: <38D9ECF217AB4216A5A1B81D74FCE4C3@TracyPC> References: <38D9ECF217AB4216A5A1B81D74FCE4C3@TracyPC> Message-ID: <534071.11664.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've seen noisy FF and/or REW improve by replacing the idler tire or even just cleaning the pulley and hubs. Installing the gear mod should also fix it (though parts and labor cost would be fairly high and for most owners, difficult to justify). -- Ron ________________________________ From: Tracy and Neville To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 9:54:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback Hi I just picked up a near mint condition CR-7 that I know needs the record equalization correction and the gear drive upgrade as the SN is 3535, but mechanism is very noisy during playback. Without a tape in the FF, Play and Rewind are very quiet, but with a tape it’s noisy. FF and rewind with a tape are quiet. Just to check the tapes themselves I played them in my RX 505 and no problems at all. Is this playback issue something I could fix or something I should get done while the above mods are made. I appreciate your thoughts on this. Regards Neville -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Dec 3 16:02:51 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 07:02:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback In-Reply-To: <534071.11664.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <38D9ECF217AB4216A5A1B81D74FCE4C3@TracyPC> <534071.11664.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468869.11393.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> But this is a CR-7, not the BX-300 though. -- Mike ________________________________ From: Ron To: Tracy and Neville ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 8:42:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback I've seen noisy FF and/or REW improve by replacing the idler tire or even just cleaning the pulley and hubs. Installing the gear mod should also fix it (though parts and labor cost would be fairly high and for most owners, difficult to justify). -- Ron ________________________________ From: Tracy and Neville To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 9:54:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback Hi I just picked up a near mint condition CR-7 that I know needs the record equalization correction and the gear drive upgrade as the SN is 3535, but mechanism is very noisy during playback. Without a tape in the FF, Play and Rewind are very quiet, but with a tape it’s noisy. FF and rewind with a tape are quiet. Just to check the tapes themselves I played them in my RX 505 and no problems at all. Is this playback issue something I could fix or something I should get done while the above mods are made. I appreciate your thoughts on this. Regards Neville -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Dec 3 21:05:37 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 12:05:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Rep: CR-7 noise during playback In-Reply-To: <4CA9A73F00036807@mail-2-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <641745.82550.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My experience ( more than a Dozen modifications) with CR 7 having serial numbers below 8000 which has no Rec Equalization correction - They sound Dull ( in record replay) with almost all tapes compared to Equilization corrected ones. So it is worth while doing Rec Equi mod than gear mod ( if you can change the Tire without breaking the ceramic support Kannan --- On Fri, 12/3/10, ScHenk wrote: > From: ScHenk > Subject: [naktalk] Rep: CR-7 noise during playback > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 6:52 AM > Hi Neville, > > Noise should go with the gear upgrade. > Eq correction is mostly needed for recording on newer SA-X > and XL II S tapes. > If you don't use these to record on, it won't do much for > you. > > Happy listening with this wonderfull machine, > Henk Schenk > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback > > > >Hi > > > >I just picked up a near mint condition CR-7 that I know > needs the record > >equalization correction and the gear drive upgrade as > the SN is 3535, but > >mechanism is very noisy during playback. Without a tape > in the FF, Play > and > >Rewind are very quiet, but with a tape it???s noisy. FF > and rewind with > a > >tape are quiet. Just to check the tapes themselves I > played them in my RX > >505 and no problems at all. Is this playback issue > something I could fix > >or something I should get done while the above mods are > made. I appreciate > >your thoughts on this. > > > >Regards > > > >Neville > >-------------- next part -------------- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101202/832ea5be/attachment-0001.html > > > >------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          Register your Nak > today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 3 > >************************************** > > >         > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Dec 3 21:52:01 2010 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 21:52:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Message-ID: <001201cb932b$ef904f40$ceb0edc0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi, I am looking for a good 700 ZXL deck and i wonder what it is worth? 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Dec 3 22:42:36 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 13:42:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback In-Reply-To: <468869.11393.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <38D9ECF217AB4216A5A1B81D74FCE4C3@TracyPC> <534071.11664.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <468869.11393.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49396.24986.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The transport is essentially the same in both, -- Ron ________________________________ From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 10:02:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback But this is a CR-7, not the BX-300 though. -- Mike ________________________________ From: Ron To: Tracy and Neville ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 8:42:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback I've seen noisy FF and/or REW improve by replacing the idler tire or even just cleaning the pulley and hubs. Installing the gear mod should also fix it (though parts and labor cost would be fairly high and for most owners, difficult to justify). -- Ron ________________________________ From: Tracy and Neville To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 9:54:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback Hi I just picked up a near mint condition CR-7 that I know needs the record equalization correction and the gear drive upgrade as the SN is 3535, but mechanism is very noisy during playback. Without a tape in the FF, Play and Rewind are very quiet, but with a tape it’s noisy. FF and rewind with a tape are quiet. Just to check the tapes themselves I played them in my RX 505 and no problems at all. Is this playback issue something I could fix or something I should get done while the above mods are made. I appreciate your thoughts on this. Regards Neville -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bluejets3 at comcast.net Fri Dec 3 22:44:51 2010 From: bluejets3 at comcast.net (Neville and Tracy) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:44:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback In-Reply-To: <975270.22829.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <38D9ECF217AB4216A5A1B81D74FCE4C3@TracyPC> <975270.22829.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010201cb9333$50fe9d70$f2fbd850$@net> Thanks Kannan I have a request out for the cost of the service mods which I understand will not be cheap, but I’m also interested in someone with knowledge looking under the hood while this is being done so I can look forward to years of uninterrupted use. In the USA there’s a couple of places that seem to be used for the mods, but if there are recommendations for this as well I would appreciate it. Regards Neville From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:20 AM To: Tracy and Neville; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback THe CR 7A record equi mod and gear update - both are large amount of work and not a cheap work. After Equi mod, the deck needs AD calibration ( which are not done by many and require special Gauge) Also the noise should go away with gear mod as your idler drive may be the one causing this noise. So get the above done by somebody who is experienced and equipped with proper tools kannan --- On Thu, 12/2/10, Tracy and Neville wrote: From: Tracy and Neville Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 noise during playback To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 9:54 PM Hi I just picked up a near mint condition CR-7 that I know needs the record equalization correction and the gear drive upgrade as the SN is 3535, but mechanism is very noisy during playback. Without a tape in the FF, Play and Rewind are very quiet, but with a tape it’s noisy. FF and rewind with a tape are quiet. Just to check the tapes themselves I played them in my RX 505 and no problems at all. Is this playback issue something I could fix or something I should get done while the above mods are made. I appreciate your thoughts on this. Regards Neville -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens kannan srinivasaraghavan Verzonden: zaterdag 4 december 2010 14:37 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Hi Norman 700 ZXL is better deck - based on the spec and it is having the old classic Nak transport However I find that maintanence may be an issue as it may have issues with Autocalibration, then it is a pain servicing it ( as Im working on one right now) However CR7 is simplified modern equivalent of 700ZXL ( only a fraction of better bandwidth and flatter Rec/replay response) - probably easier to service than the other On the listening comparison, I actually liked 700ZXE better than both of these So it is finally down to your listening comparison and the condition of the Deck by you (700ZXL one deck to another there can be differences in sound quality due to its age/use - all the electrolytic capacitors age, Orange Polypropelen caps fail or change values- causes differences in the way the machine sound) kannan --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 3:52 PM Hi, I am looking for a good 700 ZXL deck and i wonder what it is worth? Do you have any idea? Is the 700 ZXL a better buy (and a better deck) then the CR7? Regards Norman -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Dec 4 20:43:32 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 11:43:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL In-Reply-To: <004a01cb93d2$79eab030$6dc01090$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <804096.76316.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Norman I sold one for 1000$ after complete alignment and calibration. ( Shipping was 420$ to Australia!- the person paid ) Some times you can get one on ebay for about 600$ if it has some issues or even less But the risk is yours! Not many units come up - one recently on ebay canada was listed for 2500$ - did not sell. Kannan   --- On Sat, 12/4/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 11:44 AM Hi Kannan,   Thanks for your response. What do you think about the price of a 700 ZXL? Regards Norman   Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens kannan srinivasaraghavan Verzonden: zaterdag 4 december 2010 14:37 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL   Hi Norman 700 ZXL is better deck - based on the spec and it is having the old classic Nak transport However I find that maintanence may be an issue as it may have issues with Autocalibration, then it is a pain servicing it ( as Im working on one right now)   However CR7 is simplified modern equivalent of 700ZXL ( only a fraction of better bandwidth and flatter Rec/replay response) - probably easier to service than the other   On the listening comparison, I actually liked 700ZXE better than both of these   So it is finally down to your listening comparison and the condition of the Deck by you (700ZXL one deck to another there can be differences in sound quality due to its age/use  - all the electrolytic capacitors age, Orange Polypropelen caps fail or change values- causes differences in the way the machine sound) kannan   --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 3:52 PM Hi,   I am looking for a good 700 ZXL deck and i wonder what it is worth? 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Dec 4 13:48:21 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 04:48:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 ZXL In-Reply-To: <201012041119.oB4B9Cs2020640@zxe.naks.com> References: <201012041119.oB4B9Cs2020640@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <236663.20346.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Norman, I own a restored 700ZXL....I think the bass is incredible and overall a very pleasing deck to live with. I don't think it's as analytical as my RX-505, but very seductive. I also have the Nak external Dolby C unit with it. I don't know on value.....I haven't seen that many of them sold. I think most here are going to favor the CR-7 because it's the 'darling' of the Naks right now in popularity, but it does have the non-traditional Sankyo tape transport. Kevin Message: 7 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 21:52:01 +0100 From: "Norman van Wijnen" Subject: To: Message-ID: <001201cb932b$ef904f40$ceb0edc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I am looking for a good 700 ZXL deck and i wonder what it is worth? Do you have any idea? Is the 700 ZXL a better buy (and a better deck) then the CR7? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Dec 4 23:40:50 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 15:40:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL In-Reply-To: <804096.76316.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <004a01cb93d2$79eab030$6dc01090$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <804096.76316.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901cb9404$4db504c0$e91f0e40$@math.utah.edu> Norman, I sold mine about a month ago for about $850 completely aligned and calibrated with new belts from Fred. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:44 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Hi Norman I sold one for 1000$ after complete alignment and calibration. ( Shipping was 420$ to Australia!- the person paid ) Some times you can get one on ebay for about 600$ if it has some issues or even less But the risk is yours! Not many units come up - one recently on ebay canada was listed for 2500$ - did not sell. Kannan --- On Sat, 12/4/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 11:44 AM Hi Kannan, Thanks for your response. What do you think about the price of a 700 ZXL? Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens kannan srinivasaraghavan Verzonden: zaterdag 4 december 2010 14:37 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Hi Norman 700 ZXL is better deck - based on the spec and it is having the old classic Nak transport However I find that maintanence may be an issue as it may have issues with Autocalibration, then it is a pain servicing it ( as Im working on one right now) However CR7 is simplified modern equivalent of 700ZXL ( only a fraction of better bandwidth and flatter Rec/replay response) - probably easier to service than the other On the listening comparison, I actually liked 700ZXE better than both of these So it is finally down to your listening comparison and the condition of the Deck by you (700ZXL one deck to another there can be differences in sound quality due to its age/use - all the electrolytic capacitors age, Orange Polypropelen caps fail or change values- causes differences in the way the machine sound) kannan --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 3:52 PM Hi, I am looking for a good 700 ZXL deck and i wonder what it is worth? Do you have any idea? Is the 700 ZXL a better buy (and a better deck) then the CR7? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 5 07:38:19 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 22:38:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 ZXL In-Reply-To: <236663.20346.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201012041119.oB4B9Cs2020640@zxe.naks.com> <236663.20346.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <821099.47274.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Seductive is indeed the right word. It has a slightly different character to the 1000ZXL, but sounds still a cut above the other units in terms of detail and soundstage (imaging). A good condition deck can fetch at least $2000, although the value quickly deteriorates as these decks aren't too service friendly. They are quite similar in terms of what the CR7 is, although the CR7 has a quicker microprocessor, playback azimuth and Dolby C in it's favor. Soundwise, I find that that the CR7 is very crisp and analytical -something that those who like a highly detailed sound would like. The CR7 almost sounds like a very very good CD player, until you look for the next track button and you realize you are listening to cassette. The 700ZXL sounds totally analog. Like it's larger reel to reel cousins, it throw a big image, with a wonderful low and mid-bass. Yet, it has very nice treble that is listenable for long periods of time. Imaging is deep and wide (with the right set-up of course), although performance varies from pre-recorded tapes due to lack of playback azimuth. The lack of a microprocessor driven auto-cal is not a disadvantage because the elaborate circuit is easy to service (except for the memory ICs). And the nifty RAMM, which is microprocessor driven (and the same circuit as the 1000ZXL) is cool when you use it. The person best to decide would be the buyer. Having 2 CR7s and 2 700ZXLs, the latter get more playtime with me at home. Good luck, but personally the 700ZXL will not disappoint and I would not be surprised if it de-thrones the CR7 as much as the 1000ZXL did to the Dragon. I know the ZXLs did win over one hard-core Dragon/ZX9/CR7 pundit. Bala ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 8:48:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 ZXL Norman, I own a restored 700ZXL....I think the bass is incredible and overall a very pleasing deck to live with. I don't think it's as analytical as my RX-505, but very seductive. I also have the Nak external Dolby C unit with it. I don't know on value.....I haven't seen that many of them sold. I think most here are going to favor the CR-7 because it's the 'darling' of the Naks right now in popularity, but it does have the non-traditional Sankyo tape transport. Kevin Message: 7 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 21:52:01 +0100 From: "Norman van Wijnen" Subject: To: Message-ID: <001201cb932b$ef904f40$ceb0edc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I am looking for a good 700 ZXL deck and i wonder what it is worth? Do you have any idea? Is the 700 ZXL a better buy (and a better deck) then the CR7? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Dec 5 14:36:45 2010 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:36:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 ZXL In-Reply-To: <821099.47274.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <201012041119.oB4B9Cs2020640@zxe.naks.com> <236663.20346.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <821099.47274.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901cb9481$75d20020$61760060$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Kevin, Bala and all others, Thanks for all the advice. It is indeed a difficult choice. Maybe the old pre recorded tapes can be played better with the CR7 because of the azimuth control but the old traditional tape transport of the ZXL is a big plus. I did not found Nakamichi decision to go for a sankyo transport a good choice . On the other hand , also the Sankyo transports are running for years now . Much to think about. Maybe i have to buy the ZXL and do a a/b test with the CR7 to make a choice. Regards, Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Bala Ganesh Chandra Verzonden: zondag 5 december 2010 7:38 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 ZXL Seductive is indeed the right word. It has a slightly different character to the 1000ZXL, but sounds still a cut above the other units in terms of detail and soundstage (imaging). A good condition deck can fetch at least $2000, although the value quickly deteriorates as these decks aren't too service friendly. They are quite similar in terms of what the CR7 is, although the CR7 has a quicker microprocessor, playback azimuth and Dolby C in it's favor. Soundwise, I find that that the CR7 is very crisp and analytical -something that those who like a highly detailed sound would like. The CR7 almost sounds like a very very good CD player, until you look for the next track button and you realize you are listening to cassette. The 700ZXL sounds totally analog. Like it's larger reel to reel cousins, it throw a big image, with a wonderful low and mid-bass. Yet, it has very nice treble that is listenable for long periods of time. Imaging is deep and wide (with the right set-up of course), although performance varies from pre-recorded tapes due to lack of playback azimuth. The lack of a microprocessor driven auto-cal is not a disadvantage because the elaborate circuit is easy to service (except for the memory ICs). And the nifty RAMM, which is microprocessor driven (and the same circuit as the 1000ZXL) is cool when you use it. The person best to decide would be the buyer. Having 2 CR7s and 2 700ZXLs, the latter get more playtime with me at home. Good luck, but personally the 700ZXL will not disappoint and I would not be surprised if it de-thrones the CR7 as much as the 1000ZXL did to the Dragon. I know the ZXLs did win over one hard-core Dragon/ZX9/CR7 pundit. Bala _____ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 8:48:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 ZXL Norman, I own a restored 700ZXL....I think the bass is incredible and overall a very pleasing deck to live with. I don't think it's as analytical as my RX-505, but very seductive. I also have the Nak external Dolby C unit with it. I don't know on value.....I haven't seen that many of them sold. I think most here are going to favor the CR-7 because it's the 'darling' of the Naks right now in popularity, but it does have the non-traditional Sankyo tape transport. Kevin Message: 7 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 21:52:01 +0100 From: "Norman van Wijnen" Subject: To: Message-ID: <001201cb932b$ef904f40$ceb0edc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I am looking for a good 700 ZXL deck and i wonder what it is worth? Do you have any idea? Is the 700 ZXL a better buy (and a better deck) then the CR7? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinwh at comcast.net Mon Dec 6 00:51:03 2010 From: martinwh at comcast.net (martinwh at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 23:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 Message-ID: <797129800.222812.1291593063594.JavaMail.root@sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Just picked up a very nice Nakamichi 1000 deck. This will be used mostly to play the 200+ pre-recorded cassette tapes my wife has from the 80s. Its a kick to listen to these tapes and the machine plays them very well. I was hoping to record a tape for my pickup which only has a cassette player but I'm not pleased with the results I am getting. The tape is an old XLII from the 80s that has never been used. Possible the azimuth is not set right? I tried adjust it using the directions in the manual but I can't seem to get much response or change from the lights when turning the knob. They both tend to flicker just a little no matter what you do with the screw. Not real sure what it is suppose to look like? Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone knows how to fix this? Apparently, something should press the “eject arm B” inwards to clear the way for “eject arm A” but I don’t see what could do it. I also don’t see any obvious function for this “Eject arm B”. Thank you for your help, Andrei -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Willy On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:26 PM, andrei kho wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have a Nakamichi LX-3 deck that sometimes doesn't want to open its > cassette holder regardless is it empty or has a cassette inside. The problem > is IMHO pure mechanical because this happens with the deck powered on or > off. All belts are just replaced and the deck plays well. > > I opened the LX-3 and it appears that a small vertically-positioned > hammer-shaped lever in the cassette holder assembly is blocking the > larger L-shaped lever from moving up, preventing opening of the cassette > holder. That small lever is popped out by a tiny spring; if it is pressed > inwards, the cassette holder opens fine. > > I have a service manual and the diagram of the cassette case holder > assembly (p. 53) described the small lever as "eject arm B" and the large > lever as "eject arm A". > > Anyone knows how to fix this? Apparently, something should press the “eject > arm B” inwards to clear the way for “eject arm A” but I don’t see what could > do it. I also don’t see any obvious function for this “Eject arm B”. > > Thank you for your help, > > > > > Andrei > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At the time, I bought 35 of them for $8 a piece. look at the price they fetch now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=320625032213&si=eJI9BgV%252FuZNIyDbPpAqx%252F7sOXas%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&autorefresh=true From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Dec 6 18:16:52 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:16:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] cr 5 In-Reply-To: <239914.40433.qm@web95016.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <239914.40433.qm@web95016.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <628094.9527.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try to adjust the output Level Control. It's on the front panel. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Vijay Bagaria To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 10:55:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] cr 5 hi all, i am vijay bagaria, male, age 43, architect and interior designer by profession residing at mumbai, india. i am owning nakamichi cr 5. the problem i have is that i am getting too loud headphone output. pl show me ways to fix it. thanks. vijay bagaria ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 18:31:36 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 18:31:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 In-Reply-To: <0LD0008FXJB8VYT0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LD0008FXJB8VYT0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <2EEF1B03-4F07-4F66-A02C-D60EBD47B5A6@gmail.com> Yes! .... my be the owner from bad cassette decks think this decks sound better with TDK XG. If a Nakamich ist aligned and with working elektronic you get perfect sound out of a lot of cassettes, Like TDK- D 1978 to 1985 or maxel UD And XL made in that time, still for sale for a good price on Ebay. Regards Gerhard Am 06.12.2010 um 16:35 schrieb goodguy: > I recall someone on this forum predicting that TDK XG-90 tapes > would go for $35. At the time, I bought 35 of them for $8 a piece. > > look at the price they fetch now. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=320625032213&si=eJI9BgV% > 252FuZNIyDbPpAqx%252F7sOXas%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBIDX% > 3AIT&autorefresh=true > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 6 20:49:23 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:49:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] cr 5 In-Reply-To: <239914.40433.qm@web95016.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19761.48366.qm@web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Turn down the output volume of the deck to suit your comfortable level of listening with headphones. Ram. --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Vijay Bagaria wrote: > From: Vijay Bagaria > Subject: [naktalk] cr 5 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 10:55 PM > hi all, > i am vijay bagaria, male, age 43, architect and interior > designer by profession residing at mumbai, india. > > i am owning nakamichi cr 5. the problem i have is that i am > getting too loud headphone output. pl show me ways to fix > it. > > thanks. > > > > vijay bagaria > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 6 20:45:57 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:45:57 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 In-Reply-To: <2EEF1B03-4F07-4F66-A02C-D60EBD47B5A6@gmail.com> References: <0LD0008FXJB8VYT0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>, <2EEF1B03-4F07-4F66-A02C-D60EBD47B5A6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here's a comment from my 24 year old 'digital age' son: It can't be hard to manufacture these... why doesn't some company make these anymore if they go for so much? I never thought about that. He's a sharp minded camper who has a good point. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=320625032213&si=eJI9BgV% > > 252FuZNIyDbPpAqx%252F7sOXas%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBIDX% > > 3AIT&autorefresh=true -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Dec 6 21:46:58 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:46:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 In-Reply-To: References: <0LD0008FXJB8VYT0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>, <2EEF1B03-4F07-4F66-A02C-D60EBD47B5A6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007401cb9586$b9c78c90$2d56a5b0$@math.utah.edu> You would think that TDK would notice and fire up the manufacturing them again. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 Here's a comment from my 24 year old 'digital age' son: It can't be hard to manufacture these... why doesn't some company make these anymore if they go for so much? I never thought about that. He's a sharp minded camper who has a good point. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=320625032213&si=eJI9BgV% > > 252FuZNIyDbPpAqx%252F7sOXas%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBIDX% > > 3AIT&autorefresh=true -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Mon Dec 6 21:48:10 2010 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:48:10 -0500 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 In-Reply-To: References: <0LD0008FXJB8VYT0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> <2EEF1B03-4F07-4F66-A02C-D60EBD47B5A6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0LD0000DVXS9Z239@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> I think Quantegy was the last to manufacture any type of quality tape but RMGI or ATR should be able to duplicate their stuff for cassette use especially how vinyl sales are increasing rapidly. At 02:45 PM 12/6/2010, you wrote: >Here's a comment from my 24 year old 'digital age' son: > >It can't be hard to manufacture these... why doesn't some company >make these anymore if they go for so much? > >I never thought about that. >He's a sharp minded camper who has a good point. > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > > ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=320625032213&si=eJI9BgV% > > > 252FuZNIyDbPpAqx%252F7sOXas%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBIDX% > > > 3AIT&autorefresh=true > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cles at o2.pl Mon Dec 6 23:19:49 2010 From: cles at o2.pl (cles at o2.pl) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:19:49 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_FW:_[naktalk]_Wow!__best_guess?= =?UTF-8?Q?_was_$35?= In-Reply-To: References: <0LD0008FXJB8VYT0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>, <2EEF1B03-4F07-4F66-A02C-D60EBD47B5A6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ba412b2.eefaf8.4cfd6185.17ad7@o2.pl I doubt anything this quality could be made cheep these days. Probably would cost close to what it sells on ebay now. Low production run, sophisticated design. That costs. Dnia 6 grudnia 2010 20:45 Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> napisał(a): Here's a comment from my 24 year old 'digital age' son: It can't be hard to manufacture these... why doesn't some company make these anymore if they go for so much? I never thought about that. He's a sharp minded camper who has a good point. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=320625032213&si=eJI9BgV% > > 252FuZNIyDbPpAqx%252F7sOXas%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBIDX% > > 3AIT&autorefresh=true ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 7 00:21:48 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 In-Reply-To: <007401cb9586$b9c78c90$2d56a5b0$@math.utah.edu> References: <0LD0008FXJB8VYT0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>, <2EEF1B03-4F07-4F66-A02C-D60EBD47B5A6@gmail.com> <007401cb9586$b9c78c90$2d56a5b0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <517664.58554.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That is true that they are not too difficult to produce. But tooling and machinery, and to get the process up and going is a significant cost. Considering the fact that most companies are running lean these days, they would not want to go into such a manufacture because the economics of making cassette tapes are far different from DVD and CD blanks. And because TDK knows that the era of physical media is drawing to a close, they are focussing on other magnetic and memory technologies more then media - their acquisition of the EPCOS unit from Siemens is an example. They way forward maybe for a smaller manufactory to acquire any available tooling and then use that to produce tapes in a more economical manner, possibly like how ATR magenetics is doing it. The first step though Mark, is to have a mind like your son - the mind that questions and prods and eventually finds an answer. Sharp indeed! Bala ________________________________ From: Victor Gabrenas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 4:46:58 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 You would think that TDK would notice and fire up the manufacturing them again. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 Here's a comment from my 24 year old 'digital age' son: It can't be hard to manufacture these... why doesn't some company make these anymore if they go for so much? I never thought about that. He's a sharp minded camper who has a good point. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=320625032213&si=eJI9BgV% > > 252FuZNIyDbPpAqx%252F7sOXas%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBIDX% > > 3AIT&autorefresh=true -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Dec 7 16:23:34 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:23:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 In-Reply-To: <201012071117.oB7B8Isg029364@zxe.naks.com> References: <201012071117.oB7B8Isg029364@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <172342.51692.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> There was a contingency of tape enthusiasts that did just that; they approached TDK about firing up a run on at least one of their better cassette tape types.....they got an absolute and confirmed 'NO'. Agreed, it would take a small company with clever marketing and streamlined production to pull it off. Possible, but for whatever the reason it doesn't look like it's in the cards. Maybe it's some sort of voodoo revenge for all the yrs home cassettes ran home R2R into obscurity.;-) Kevin ________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <517664.58554.qm at web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That is true that they are not too difficult to produce. But tooling and machinery, and to get the process up and going is a significant cost. Considering the fact that most companies are running lean these days, they would not want to go into such a manufacture because the economics of making cassette tapes are far different from DVD and CD blanks. And because TDK knows that the era of physical media is drawing to a close, they are focussing on other magnetic and memory technologies more then media - their acquisition of the EPCOS unit from Siemens is an example. They way forward maybe for a smaller manufactory to acquire any available tooling and then use that to produce tapes in a more economical manner, possibly like how ATR magenetics is doing it. The first step though Mark, is to have a mind like your son - the mind that questions and prods and eventually finds an answer. Sharp indeed! Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 8 04:13:31 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:13:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 In-Reply-To: <172342.51692.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201012071117.oB7B8Isg029364@zxe.naks.com> <172342.51692.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <463858.25424.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well the R2Rs are having their revenge now with ATR! The answer from TDK may be more due to their business model now (to shy away from the high-volume/thin margin) media business and concentrate on other ventures. Unless someone fronts some money to buy off all those machinery and tooling to set-up their own place to make their own tapes. But the further time goes, it looks more likely that things will stay the way they are while R2Rs, as you say, will have their revenge . Bala ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 11:23:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 There was a contingency of tape enthusiasts that did just that; they approached TDK about firing up a run on at least one of their better cassette tape types.....they got an absolute and confirmed 'NO'. Agreed, it would take a small company with clever marketing and streamlined production to pull it off. Possible, but for whatever the reason it doesn't look like it's in the cards. Maybe it's some sort of voodoo revenge for all the yrs home cassettes ran home R2R into obscurity.;-) Kevin ________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <517664.58554.qm at web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That is true that they are not too difficult to produce. But tooling and machinery, and to get the process up and going is a significant cost. Considering the fact that most companies are running lean these days, they would not want to go into such a manufacture because the economics of making cassette tapes are far different from DVD and CD blanks. And because TDK knows that the era of physical media is drawing to a close, they are focussing on other magnetic and memory technologies more then media - their acquisition of the EPCOS unit from Siemens is an example. They way forward maybe for a smaller manufactory to acquire any available tooling and then use that to produce tapes in a more economical manner, possibly like how ATR magenetics is doing it. The first step though Mark, is to have a mind like your son - the mind that questions and prods and eventually finds an answer. Sharp indeed! Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob31411 at msn.com Wed Dec 8 13:21:49 2010 From: bob31411 at msn.com (Bobby Crabtree) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 06:21:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 In-Reply-To: <463858.25424.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <201012071117.oB7B8Isg029364@zxe.naks.com><172342.51692.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <463858.25424.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Look at the resurgence of records, or "vinyls" as the kids call them. Maybe there is hope somewhere down the line. Bobby From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:13 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 Well the R2Rs are having their revenge now with ATR! The answer from TDK may be more due to their business model now (to shy away from the high-volume/thin margin) media business and concentrate on other ventures. Unless someone fronts some money to buy off all those machinery and tooling to set-up their own place to make their own tapes. But the further time goes, it looks more likely that things will stay the way they are while R2Rs, as you say, will have their revenge . Bala -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 11:23:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 There was a contingency of tape enthusiasts that did just that; they approached TDK about firing up a run on at least one of their better cassette tape types.....they got an absolute and confirmed 'NO'. Agreed, it would take a small company with clever marketing and streamlined production to pull it off. Possible, but for whatever the reason it doesn't look like it's in the cards. Maybe it's some sort of voodoo revenge for all the yrs home cassettes ran home R2R into obscurity.;-) Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <517664.58554.qm at web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That is true that they are not too difficult to produce. But tooling and machinery, and to get the process up and going is a significant cost. Considering the fact that most companies are running lean these days, they would not want to go into such a manufacture because the economics of making cassette tapes are far different from DVD and CD blanks. And because TDK knows that the era of physical media is drawing to a close, they are focussing on other magnetic and memory technologies more then media - their acquisition of the EPCOS unit from Siemens is an example. They way forward maybe for a smaller manufactory to acquire any available tooling and then use that to produce tapes in a more economical manner, possibly like how ATR magenetics is doing it. The first step though Mark, is to have a mind like your son - the mind that questions and prods and eventually finds an answer. Sharp indeed! Bala -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 9 07:16:14 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:16:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 In-Reply-To: References: <201012071117.oB7B8Isg029364@zxe.naks.com><172342.51692.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <463858.25424.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <863170.7776.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The prime driver for vinyls, I suspect, has been the club circuits where vinyl is seen as the gold standard in DJing. Cassettes don't seem to have that kind of a foothold that can be used to leverage a comeback. The most realistic way for cassettes to make a comeback would seem to be for any of the active reel tape manufacturers to get into the act. Bala ________________________________ From: Bobby Crabtree To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 8:21:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 Look at the resurgence of records, or "vinyls" as the kids call them. Maybe there is hope somewhere down the line. Bobby From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:13 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 Well the R2Rs are having their revenge now with ATR! The answer from TDK may be more due to their business model now (to shy away from the high-volume/thin margin) media business and concentrate on other ventures. Unless someone fronts some money to buy off all those machinery and tooling to set-up their own place to make their own tapes. But the further time goes, it looks more likely that things will stay the way they are while R2Rs, as you say, will have their revenge . Bala ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 11:23:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 There was a contingency of tape enthusiasts that did just that; they approached TDK about firing up a run on at least one of their better cassette tape types.....they got an absolute and confirmed 'NO'. Agreed, it would take a small company with clever marketing and streamlined production to pull it off. Possible, but for whatever the reason it doesn't look like it's in the cards. Maybe it's some sort of voodoo revenge for all the yrs home cassettes ran home R2R into obscurity.;-) Kevin ________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <517664.58554.qm at web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That is true that they are not too difficult to produce. But tooling and machinery, and to get the process up and going is a significant cost. Considering the fact that most companies are running lean these days, they would not want to go into such a manufacture because the economics of making cassette tapes are far different from DVD and CD blanks. And because TDK knows that the era of physical media is drawing to a close, they are focussing on other magnetic and memory technologies more then media - their acquisition of the EPCOS unit from Siemens is an example. They way forward maybe for a smaller manufactory to acquire any available tooling and then use that to produce tapes in a more economical manner, possibly like how ATR magenetics is doing it. The first step though Mark, is to have a mind like your son - the mind that questions and prods and eventually finds an answer. Sharp indeed! Bala ________________________________ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Wed Dec 8 17:20:34 2010 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:20:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes In-Reply-To: References: <239914.40433.qm@web95016.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Has no one replied to this? I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky. The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the tape from playing. The full time solution to this is to replace the motor but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any actual damage. Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing this. Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in each direction. Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.) You may find this starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, in which case more of the same is required. Overnight soaks also help as it takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil. Hope this helps. CT On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: > > I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years > and put in new belts ~5 years ago. Yesterday the tapes would start for a > few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the > tape. The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight. Ideas? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Thu Dec 9 11:37:33 2010 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 04:37:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Marrs Communications and Belts Message-ID: <4D00B16D.7030806@marrscom.com> *12-9-10, Hello to All Members. I hope everyone is having a great Holiday Season. There are Rumors floating again. Just want to give you an Update about the Future of Marrs Communications. Members, at ease. __ THE eBAY STORE IS CURRENTLY CLOSED FOR 1 REASON ONLY ! 400 ORDERS WERE RECEIVED OVER THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY. 100, of the 400 Orders Received have Already been Shipped. Since eBay buyers do not READ past the Listing Header, and expect their Purchase to be delivered the "day after they make payment", I closed the Store. I DO EXPECT to receive some Negative Feedback, due to the amount of time it will take to Process these 300 Remaining orders. See further explanation below: My Listings on eBay are packed with Information, but eBay buyers will not Take the time to read the Description. Here are some Highlights. 1. My business is NOT run on borrowed Money. Strictly Cash. 2. Almost 26,000 Belts in Stock, and Growing. All inventory is Paid for. 3. 99.7% of my Belts are Manufactured by, an OEM Manufacturer in Japan. This manufacturer was Not the Only, but one of the manufacturers CONTRACTED with Nakamichi to Supply them with ALL BELTS for the Production of new machines, and the Parts Department. They are the Last surviving Belt supplier to Nakamichi. When and if, they decide to call it quits, _ I Quit. ALL Belts, currently being sold in the United States are manufactured In China or Taiwan. You CAN purchase from American Companies BUT, the product is Imported and produced in one of these countries. There is MUCH more info about this, but no need to bore you. This means I am the Only supplier providing belts, produced in Japan. 4. My business was started with Nakamichi Factory Capstan Belts. The members of Naktalk, were constantly complaining there were NO capstan Belts available for the Nakamichi "Original" or "Classic", Nakamichi designed transport, that would meet published Nakamichi wow/flutter specifications. I had this belt produced to EXACT Nakamichi Specifications, which Solved the problem. I have also done this for other Brands like Aiwa, And More are coming. 5. The Business grew from there. SHIPPING DELAYS 6. Here are the main reasons for shipment delays. (No excuses, just Fact) 7. Marrs Communications is a 1 MAN operation. All belts are purchased in Bulk, by size. 8. Every Kit is made by hand AFTER your purchase, allowing for The inspection of Every Belt which goes in your kit. 9. ALL interchange and application information, about what belts Fit what machine, is 30 Years Old. 10. None of the Belt manufacturers STILL IN BUSINESS, have newer information. To date, I have CORRECTED approximately 475 mistakes in this 30 Year old INFORMATION. 11. The biggest problem is TIME. I must do everything. I Currently work 12-16 Hours a Day. This is going to Stop. I am 60 years of age and do NOT need, or want to work this hard. When it stops being fun, I QUIT. A few examples of my Duties. A. Purchase the Product from Japan. (6-8 weeks lead time). ( Orders Received Weekly ). B. Receive the Bulk Inventory, sort by size and place in inventory. C. Maintain the eBay Store. I currently have 544 listings on eBay. D. Answer approximately 200 eBay emails, per Day. E. Make every kit by hand, AFTER your order has been placed, Package, fill out Customs Forms and Ship. (About 50% of Orders are International) F. Process orders for Service Center Customers. (Separate Business). 12. I am in the Process of moving MOST Listing to my own web-site. ( http:www.marrscommunications.com ) Currently down for updating. Doing business on eBay is a pain due to their current and constantly Changing " Rules and Regulations ". Their site is very cumbersome and Efficiency is a Joke. BOTTOM LINE: My Customers are Guaranteed 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed, No matter what. Reading past Feedback tells it all. If the Customer is not happy, I am not happy. Any additional Questions the Members might have are WELCOME. info at marrscommunications.com For Members that have UNANSWERED emails, please send to: fred at marrscom.com I am very sorry about this and feel sure they are buried In the eBay mail. Health permitting, I plan on staying in the Belt Business for Many Years to Come. Thanks again, Fred M. Marrs Communications* From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Dec 9 14:24:28 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:24:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 In-Reply-To: <863170.7776.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <201012071117.oB7B8Isg029364@zxe.naks.com><172342.51692.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <463858.25424.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <863170.7776.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's a lot more than clubs, there are quite a few indy companies doing reisssues, just about every new pop/rock release is available on vinyl, and even the major labels like Columbia and Sony have been reissuing LPs. Cassettes got a bad rap on quality since most prerecorded cassettes were crap and were played on crap decks or in cars. The only thing cassettes had going for them in the general publics mind is that they were portable and recordable. Once CD-Rs became cheap and readily available the death of cassettes was only a matter of time. Now widespread mp3s and unbelievably cheap storage (1 TB for $99!) have started to kill CD-Rs and DVD-Rs. New CDs will be around as long as companies insist on schlepping off inferior digital downloads, but once they get on board with DVD or SACD quality downloads, CDs will likely croak too. But we'll always have vinyl. The market is small but strong and a lot of artists are still married to analogue production. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 1:16 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 The prime driver for vinyls, I suspect, has been the club circuits where vinyl is seen as the gold standard in DJing. Cassettes don't seem to have that kind of a foothold that can be used to leverage a comeback. The most realistic way for cassettes to make a comeback would seem to be for any of the active reel tape manufacturers to get into the act. Bala ________________________________ From: Bobby Crabtree To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 8:21:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 Look at the resurgence of records, or "vinyls" as the kids call them. Maybe there is hope somewhere down the line. Bobby From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:13 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 Well the R2Rs are having their revenge now with ATR! The answer from TDK may be more due to their business model now (to shy away from the high-volume/thin margin) media business and concentrate on other ventures. Unless someone fronts some money to buy off all those machinery and tooling to set-up their own place to make their own tapes. But the further time goes, it looks more likely that things will stay the way they are while R2Rs, as you say, will have their revenge . Bala ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 11:23:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 There was a contingency of tape enthusiasts that did just that; they approached TDK about firing up a run on at least one of their better cassette tape types.....they got an absolute and confirmed 'NO'. Agreed, it would take a small company with clever marketing and streamlined production to pull it off. Possible, but for whatever the reason it doesn't look like it's in the cards. Maybe it's some sort of voodoo revenge for all the yrs home cassettes ran home R2R into obscurity.;-) Kevin ________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow! best guess was $35 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <517664.58554.qm at web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That is true that they are not too difficult to produce. But tooling and machinery, and to get the process up and going is a significant cost. Considering the fact that most companies are running lean these days, they would not want to go into such a manufacture because the economics of making cassette tapes are far different from DVD and CD blanks. And because TDK knows that the era of physical media is drawing to a close, they are focussing on other magnetic and memory technologies more then media - their acquisition of the EPCOS unit from Siemens is an example. They way forward maybe for a smaller manufactory to acquire any available tooling and then use that to produce tapes in a more economical manner, possibly like how ATR magenetics is doing it. The first step though Mark, is to have a mind like your son - the mind that questions and prods and eventually finds an answer. Sharp indeed! Bala ________________________________ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 9 18:39:09 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:39:09 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes In-Reply-To: References: <239914.40433.qm@web95016.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had this problem on the 582. I left the motor on the chassis, laid it with the spindle up (and secured so it wouldn't tip over). It creates a nice little "pool" for oil - which can filled with quality sewing machine oil. I let the 582 sit for many hours and every time I walked by the spindle got a bunch of finger spins. Be careful to thoroughly clean off all the excess oil before picking up the transport - and then clean it again. Worked like a charm on the 582. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:21 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes Has no one replied to this? I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky. The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the tape from playing. The full time solution to this is to replace the motor but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any actual damage. Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing this. Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in each direction. Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.) You may find this starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, in which case more of the same is required. Overnight soaks also help as it takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil. Hope this helps. CT On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years and put in new belts ~5 years ago. Yesterday the tapes would start for a few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the tape. The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Dec 9 16:44:13 2010 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:44:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Marrs Communications and Belts In-Reply-To: <4D00B16D.7030806@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <146022.10942.qm@web113313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Fred I know it's been a up hill battle on the belts and don't know if it is worth it or not only you can say but I know that there are lot's of people here on this form and lot's of others that appreciate all the hard work  that you went through get these belts made.  Have your self a great Christmas and new year hope you dig out soon from under all the orders  PS I need a belt kit for a couple of my naks but will wait till things slow down a little all the best I'll call you later  Russ Seals --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Fred Marrs wrote: From: Fred Marrs Subject: [naktalk] Marrs Communications and Belts To: "NakTalk" Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 4:37 AM *12-9-10, Hello to All Members. I hope everyone is having a great Holiday Season. There are Rumors floating again. Just want to give you an Update about the Future of Marrs Communications. Members, at ease. __ THE eBAY STORE IS CURRENTLY CLOSED FOR 1 REASON ONLY ! 400 ORDERS WERE RECEIVED OVER THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY. 100, of the 400 Orders Received have Already been Shipped. Since eBay buyers do not READ past the Listing Header, and expect their Purchase to be delivered the "day after they make payment", I closed the Store. I DO EXPECT to receive some Negative Feedback, due to the amount of time it will take to Process these 300 Remaining orders. See further explanation below: My Listings on eBay are packed with Information, but eBay buyers will not Take the time to read the Description. Here are some Highlights. 1. My business is NOT run on borrowed Money. Strictly Cash. 2. Almost 26,000 Belts in Stock, and Growing. All inventory is Paid for. 3. 99.7% of my Belts are Manufactured by, an OEM Manufacturer in Japan. This manufacturer was Not the Only, but one of the manufacturers CONTRACTED with Nakamichi to Supply them with ALL BELTS for the Production of new machines, and the Parts Department. They are the Last surviving Belt supplier to Nakamichi. When and if, they decide to call it quits, _ I Quit. ALL Belts, currently being sold in the United States are manufactured In China or Taiwan. You CAN purchase from American Companies BUT, the product is Imported and produced in one of these countries. There is MUCH more info about this, but no need to bore you. This means I am the Only supplier providing belts, produced in Japan. 4. My business was started with Nakamichi Factory Capstan Belts. The members of Naktalk, were constantly complaining there were NO capstan Belts available for the Nakamichi "Original" or "Classic", Nakamichi designed transport, that would meet published Nakamichi wow/flutter specifications. I had this belt produced to EXACT Nakamichi Specifications, which Solved the problem. I have also done this for other Brands like Aiwa, And More are coming. 5. The Business grew from there. SHIPPING DELAYS 6. Here are the main reasons for shipment delays. (No excuses, just Fact) 7. Marrs Communications is a 1 MAN operation. All belts are purchased in Bulk, by size. 8. Every Kit is made by hand AFTER your purchase, allowing for The inspection of Every Belt which goes in your kit. 9. ALL interchange and application information, about what belts Fit what machine, is 30 Years Old. 10. None of the Belt manufacturers STILL IN BUSINESS, have newer information. To date, I have CORRECTED approximately 475 mistakes in this 30 Year old INFORMATION. 11. The biggest problem is TIME. I must do everything. I Currently work 12-16 Hours a Day. This is going to Stop. I am 60 years of age and do NOT need, or want to work this hard. When it stops being fun, I QUIT. A few examples of my Duties. A. Purchase the Product from Japan. (6-8 weeks lead time). ( Orders Received Weekly ). B. Receive the Bulk Inventory, sort by size and place in inventory. C. Maintain the eBay Store. I currently have 544 listings on eBay. D. Answer approximately 200 eBay emails, per Day. E. Make every kit by hand, AFTER your order has been placed, Package, fill out Customs Forms and Ship. (About 50% of Orders are International) F. Process orders for Service Center Customers. (Separate Business). 12. I am in the Process of moving MOST Listing to my own web-site. ( http:www.marrscommunications.com ) Currently down for updating. Doing business on eBay is a pain due to their current and constantly Changing " Rules and Regulations ". Their site is very cumbersome and Efficiency is a Joke. BOTTOM LINE: My Customers are Guaranteed 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed, No matter what. Reading past Feedback tells it all. If the Customer is not happy, I am not happy. Any additional Questions the Members might have are WELCOME. info at marrscommunications.com For Members that have UNANSWERED emails, please send to: fred at marrscom.com I am very sorry about this and feel sure they are buried In the eBay mail. Health permitting, I plan on staying in the Belt Business for Many Years to Come. Thanks again, Fred M. Marrs Communications* ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 19:05:05 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:05:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Marrs Communications and Belts In-Reply-To: <4D00B16D.7030806@marrscom.com> References: <4D00B16D.7030806@marrscom.com> Message-ID: Fred, in your shoes I would send out a mass email to the eBay customers, apologizing in advance for the delays. This should eliminate the lion's share of complaints. By the way, happy holidays! Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:37 AM, Fred Marrs wrote: > *12-9-10, Hello to All Members. I hope everyone is having a great Holiday > > Season. There are Rumors floating again. Just want to give you an Update > > about the Future of Marrs Communications. > > Members, at ease. __ > > THE eBAY STORE IS CURRENTLY CLOSED FOR 1 REASON ONLY ! > > 400 ORDERS WERE RECEIVED OVER THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY. > > 100, of the 400 Orders Received have Already been Shipped. > > Since eBay buyers do not READ past the Listing Header, and expect their > > Purchase to be delivered the "day after they make payment", I closed the > > Store. I DO EXPECT to receive some Negative Feedback, due to the > > amount of time it will take to Process these 300 Remaining orders. > > See further explanation below: > > > My Listings on eBay are packed with Information, but eBay buyers will not > > Take the time to read the Description. > > Here are some Highlights. > > > 1. My business is NOT run on borrowed Money. Strictly Cash. > > > 2. Almost 26,000 Belts in Stock, and Growing. All inventory is Paid for. > > > 3. 99.7% of my Belts are Manufactured by, an OEM Manufacturer in Japan. > > This manufacturer was Not the Only, but one of the manufacturers > > CONTRACTED with Nakamichi to Supply them with ALL BELTS for the > > Production of new machines, and the Parts Department. > > They are the Last surviving Belt supplier to Nakamichi. > > When and if, they decide to call it quits, _ I Quit. > > > ALL Belts, currently being sold in the United States are manufactured > > In China or Taiwan. You CAN purchase from American Companies > > BUT, the product is Imported and produced in one > > of these countries. > > There is MUCH more info about this, but no need to bore you. > > This means I am the Only supplier providing > > belts, produced in Japan. > > > > 4. My business was started with Nakamichi Factory Capstan Belts. > > The members of Naktalk, were constantly complaining there were NO > > capstan Belts available for the Nakamichi "Original" or "Classic", > > Nakamichi designed transport, that would meet published Nakamichi > > wow/flutter specifications. > > I had this belt produced to EXACT Nakamichi Specifications, which > > Solved the problem. I have also done this for other Brands like Aiwa, > > And More are coming. > > 5. The Business grew from there. > > > SHIPPING DELAYS > > > 6. Here are the main reasons for shipment delays. > > (No excuses, just Fact) > > > 7. Marrs Communications is a 1 MAN operation. All > > belts are purchased in Bulk, by size. > > > 8. Every Kit is made by hand AFTER your purchase, > > allowing for The inspection of Every Belt which goes in your kit. > > > 9. ALL interchange and application information, about what belts > > Fit what machine, is 30 Years Old. > > > 10. None of the Belt manufacturers STILL IN BUSINESS, > > have newer information. > > To date, I have CORRECTED approximately 475 mistakes in this 30 > Year old INFORMATION. > > > 11. The biggest problem is TIME. I must do > > everything. > > I Currently work 12-16 Hours a Day. This is going to Stop. > > > I am 60 years of age and do NOT need, or want to work this hard. > > When it stops being fun, I QUIT. > > > A few examples of my Duties. > > > A. Purchase the Product from Japan. (6-8 weeks lead time). > > ( Orders Received Weekly ). > > B. Receive the Bulk Inventory, sort by size and place in inventory. > > C. Maintain the eBay Store. I currently have 544 > > listings on eBay. > > D. Answer approximately 200 eBay emails, per > > Day. > > E. Make every kit by hand, AFTER your order > > has been placed, Package, fill out Customs Forms and Ship. > > (About 50% of Orders are International) > > F. Process orders for Service Center Customers. > > (Separate Business). > > > > 12. I am in the Process of moving MOST Listing to my own web-site. > > ( http:www.marrscommunications.com ) > Currently down for updating. > > > Doing business on eBay is a pain due to their current and constantly > > Changing " Rules and Regulations ". > > Their site is very cumbersome and Efficiency is a Joke. > > > BOTTOM LINE: > > My Customers are Guaranteed 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed, > > No matter what. Reading past Feedback tells it all. > > If the Customer is not happy, I am not happy. > > > Any additional Questions the Members might have are WELCOME. > > info at marrscommunications.com > > > For Members that have UNANSWERED emails, please send to: > > fred at marrscom.com I am very sorry about this and > > feel sure they are buried In the eBay mail. > > > Health permitting, I plan on staying in the Belt Business for Many Years to > > Come. > > Thanks again, Fred M. Marrs Communications* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Thu Dec 9 21:39:41 2010 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:39:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 Message-ID: <000001cb97e1$34ffdb90$9eff92b0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi, I am working on a Nakamichi CR7 and the I am running in a issue calibrating Recording Bias Current Adjustment point 6 in the service manual. They speak of a max 80mv adjusting vr104 and vr204. I measure however not more then max 58mv on the AC meter. Is the manual correct or are there some modifications in the circuit ? The cr7 is of the earlier ones. I have the testunit to set the calibration mode OK to max. Hope someone got an idea Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Dec 9 21:50:24 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:50:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 In-Reply-To: <000001cb97e1$34ffdb90$9eff92b0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000001cb97e1$34ffdb90$9eff92b0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <000f01cb97e2$b41acf10$1c506d30$@math.utah.edu> What are you using for a meter? I ran into a similar problem years ago using a DOM that did not have enough band width. Such as a Fluke 87. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 1:40 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 Hi, I am working on a Nakamichi CR7 and the I am running in a issue calibrating Recording Bias Current Adjustment point 6 in the service manual. They speak of a max 80mv adjusting vr104 and vr204. I measure however not more then max 58mv on the AC meter. Is the manual correct or are there some modifications in the circuit ? The cr7 is of the earlier ones. I have the testunit to set the calibration mode OK to max. Hope someone got an idea Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Dec 9 22:21:05 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:21:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 In-Reply-To: <000001cb97e1$34ffdb90$9eff92b0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000001cb97e1$34ffdb90$9eff92b0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <469012.27721.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is your measuring device (VTVM) flat out to well over 105KHz? -- Ron ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 3:39:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 Hi, I am working on a Nakamichi CR7 and the I am running in a issue calibrating Recording Bias Current Adjustment point 6 in the service manual. They speak of a max 80mv adjusting vr104 and vr204. I measure however not more then max 58mv on the AC meter. 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Willy On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Norman van Wijnen < n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > Hi, > > > > I am working on a Nakamichi CR7 and the I am running in a issue calibrating > Recording Bias Current Adjustment point 6 in the service manual. > > They speak of a max 80mv adjusting vr104 and vr204. I measure however not > more then max 58mv on the AC meter. Is the manual correct or are there some > modifications in the circuit ? The cr7 is of the earlier ones. I have the > testunit to set the calibration mode OK to max. > > > > Hope someone got an idea > > > > Regards Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Dec 10 08:45:23 2010 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 08:45:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 In-Reply-To: References: <988710206650700123@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <1307.145.44.29.96.1291967123.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Thanks Willy, Ron and Victor. Yes i turned VR-103/203 fully clockwise . I must suspect my equipment i think? What do you guys use for measurement ? I have here a Fluke 12 and a Dynatek 9020. The Fluke 12 doesn't give any .mv at all because of the impedance i think but the dynatek gives a max at 58mv. What do i have to buy for a reasonable price ofcourse? Regards Norman Op Do, 9 december, 2010 11:05 pm schreef Willy Hermann: > Are you sure you're turning VR-103/203 fully clockwise first? The > adjustment is for maximum bias current set. If the ZX pots aren't all the > way up you'll never get 80mV. Also, make sure you're using a very high > impedance meter since it's measuring high frequency which is easily > loaded. > > > Willy > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Norman van Wijnen < > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> I am working on a Nakamichi CR7 and the I am running in a issue >> calibrating Recording Bias Current Adjustment point 6 in the service >> manual. >> >> They speak of a max 80mv adjusting vr104 and vr204. I measure however >> not more then max 58mv on the AC meter. Is the manual correct or are >> there some modifications in the circuit ? The cr7 is of the earlier >> ones. I have the testunit to set the calibration mode OK to max. >> >> >> >> Hope someone got an idea >> >> >> >> >> Regards Norman >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> == >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fred at marrscom.com Fri Dec 10 13:16:36 2010 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 06:16:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Marrs Communications and Belts References: 4D00B16D.7030806@marrscom.com Message-ID: <4D021A24.7080007@marrscom.com> *Hello Fred, Good Idea. I do have a message on my mail Auto responder and Store Header. Happy Holidays ! Fred * From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Dec 10 17:26:34 2010 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:26:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Solution Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 In-Reply-To: <1307.145.44.29.96.1291967123.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <988710206650700123@unknownmsgid> <1307.145.44.29.96.1291967123.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: <000601cb9887$02aa4030$07fec090$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi, It was indeed a measurement problem. I used a scoop (DS1102E) and voila 80 mv. Thanks a lot Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Verzonden: vrijdag 10 december 2010 8:45 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 Thanks Willy, Ron and Victor. Yes i turned VR-103/203 fully clockwise . I must suspect my equipment i think? What do you guys use for measurement ? I have here a Fluke 12 and a Dynatek 9020. The Fluke 12 doesn't give any .mv at all because of the impedance i think but the dynatek gives a max at 58mv. What do i have to buy for a reasonable price ofcourse? Regards Norman Op Do, 9 december, 2010 11:05 pm schreef Willy Hermann: > Are you sure you're turning VR-103/203 fully clockwise first? The > adjustment is for maximum bias current set. If the ZX pots aren't all the > way up you'll never get 80mV. Also, make sure you're using a very high > impedance meter since it's measuring high frequency which is easily > loaded. > > > Willy > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Norman van Wijnen < > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> I am working on a Nakamichi CR7 and the I am running in a issue >> calibrating Recording Bias Current Adjustment point 6 in the service >> manual. >> >> They speak of a max 80mv adjusting vr104 and vr204. I measure however >> not more then max 58mv on the AC meter. Is the manual correct or are >> there some modifications in the circuit ? The cr7 is of the earlier >> ones. I have the testunit to set the calibration mode OK to max. >> >> >> >> Hope someone got an idea >> >> >> >> >> Regards Norman >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> == >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Dec 10 18:05:11 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:05:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 In-Reply-To: <1307.145.44.29.96.1291967123.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <988710206650700123@unknownmsgid> <1307.145.44.29.96.1291967123.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: <003901cb988c$6855d4d0$39017e70$@math.utah.edu> Norman, I ended up with a 8060a, 189 and 45. All made by Fluke. I like the 45 the best. Good Luck....Vic -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 Thanks Willy, Ron and Victor. Yes i turned VR-103/203 fully clockwise . I must suspect my equipment i think? What do you guys use for measurement ? I have here a Fluke 12 and a Dynatek 9020. The Fluke 12 doesn't give any .mv at all because of the impedance i think but the dynatek gives a max at 58mv. What do i have to buy for a reasonable price ofcourse? Regards Norman Op Do, 9 december, 2010 11:05 pm schreef Willy Hermann: > Are you sure you're turning VR-103/203 fully clockwise first? The > adjustment is for maximum bias current set. If the ZX pots aren't all > the way up you'll never get 80mV. Also, make sure you're using a > very high impedance meter since it's measuring high frequency which is > easily loaded. > > > Willy > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Norman van Wijnen < > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> I am working on a Nakamichi CR7 and the I am running in a issue >> calibrating Recording Bias Current Adjustment point 6 in the service >> manual. >> >> They speak of a max 80mv adjusting vr104 and vr204. I measure however >> not more then max 58mv on the AC meter. Is the manual correct or are >> there some modifications in the circuit ? The cr7 is of the earlier >> ones. I have the testunit to set the calibration mode OK to max. >> >> >> >> Hope someone got an idea >> >> >> >> >> Regards Norman >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> == >> === >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> === >> == >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> == >> === >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > === > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 18:26:18 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:26:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 In-Reply-To: <1307.145.44.29.96.1291967123.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <988710206650700123@unknownmsgid> <1307.145.44.29.96.1291967123.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: <789238.2196.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The AC Voltmeter should have good response to higher audio frequencies. Specifically, the bias frequency is 105KHz, so the meter should be flat to, say 200KHz or higher. If yours is not, but you know the droop at 105KHz, you can calculate actual value from the reading. In addition, it would be good for the meter to have a range of 150mV or so. Accuracy is opften specified as percentage of full scale reading, so you want the reading to be high on the scale. For other work (though not for this particular reading) you'd want the meter to have high input impedance (10 or 11MOhm meets most applications) and a low capacitance probe (less than 30pF is generally sufficient) -- Ron ________________________________ From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 2:45:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 Thanks Willy, Ron and Victor. Yes i turned VR-103/203 fully clockwise . I must suspect my equipment i think? What do you guys use for measurement ? I have here a Fluke 12 and a Dynatek 9020. The Fluke 12 doesn't give any .mv at all because of the impedance i think but the dynatek gives a max at 58mv. What do i have to buy for a reasonable price ofcourse? Regards Norman Op Do, 9 december, 2010 11:05 pm schreef Willy Hermann: > Are you sure you're turning VR-103/203 fully clockwise first? The > adjustment is for maximum bias current set. If the ZX pots aren't all the > way up you'll never get 80mV. Also, make sure you're using a very high > impedance meter since it's measuring high frequency which is easily > loaded. > > > Willy > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Norman van Wijnen < > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> I am working on a Nakamichi CR7 and the I am running in a issue >> calibrating Recording Bias Current Adjustment point 6 in the service >> manual. >> >> They speak of a max 80mv adjusting vr104 and vr204. I measure however >> not more then max 58mv on the AC meter. Is the manual correct or are >> there some modifications in the circuit ? The cr7 is of the earlier >> ones. I have the testunit to set the calibration mode OK to max. >> >> >> >> Hope someone got an idea >> >> >> >> >> Regards Norman >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> == >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Dec 10 19:46:14 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:46:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 In-Reply-To: <003901cb988c$6855d4d0$39017e70$@math.utah.edu> References: <988710206650700123@unknownmsgid> <1307.145.44.29.96.1291967123.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <003901cb988c$6855d4d0$39017e70$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: For speed and ease of use try a Leader LMV-185A 2 channel ac voltmeter. I built cables with the right headers for both the TP104/204 connector and CN50. It makes the whole alignment procedure fast and accurate. The level controller gain adjustment (step 9) is a real pain the way Nak sets it up. By using a cable with a switch in line I have the 2 channel meter first compare pins 2 and 4 then pins 1 and 5. There's one of those meters on eBay if anyone is interested. Item # 150528788016 Willy On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Norman, I ended up with a 8060a, 189 and 45. All made by Fluke. I like the > 45 the best. > > Good Luck....Vic > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:45 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Calibration problems (Recording Bias Current > Adjustment ) Nakamichi CR7 > > Thanks Willy, Ron and Victor. > > Yes i turned VR-103/203 fully clockwise . I must suspect my equipment i > think? What do you guys use for measurement ? I have here a Fluke 12 and a > Dynatek 9020. The Fluke 12 doesn't give any .mv at all because of the > impedance i think but the dynatek gives a max at 58mv. > What do i have to buy for a reasonable price ofcourse? > > Regards Norman > > Op Do, 9 december, 2010 11:05 pm schreef Willy Hermann: > > Are you sure you're turning VR-103/203 fully clockwise first? The > > adjustment is for maximum bias current set. If the ZX pots aren't all > > the way up you'll never get 80mV. Also, make sure you're using a > > very high impedance meter since it's measuring high frequency which is > > easily loaded. > > > > > > Willy > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Norman van Wijnen < > > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I am working on a Nakamichi CR7 and the I am running in a issue > >> calibrating Recording Bias Current Adjustment point 6 in the service > >> manual. > >> > >> They speak of a max 80mv adjusting vr104 and vr204. I measure however > >> not more then max 58mv on the AC meter. Is the manual correct or are > >> there some modifications in the circuit ? The cr7 is of the earlier > >> ones. I have the testunit to set the calibration mode OK to max. > >> > >> > >> > >> Hope someone got an idea > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards Norman > >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> == > >> === > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> === > >> == > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> == > >> === > >> > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > === > > = > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 16:24:36 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 07:24:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 In-Reply-To: <201012101117.oBAB8J0A010870@zxe.naks.com> References: <201012101117.oBAB8J0A010870@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <402215.31716.qm@web120711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'm totally onboard with this assessment. The club/DJ scene in the beginning perhaps gave some needed notoriety and spurned some renewed interest in vinyl. But it was the push from the high-end TT manufacturers and the pop/rock reissues that really got everyone's blood pumping again for LP's. And damn if it isn't cool that so many present artists love and insist on releasing albums on LP's! I had no idea you could do this, but you can go to a lot of the artist's sites and order LP's direct. I got two LP's from "Flogging Molly" for about ten bucks each and they were vinyl with images on both side...wow. And yeah, cassettes got a terrible rap with their often poor album issue quality and truck loads of bootlegs everywhere. I don't know how they could live that down, along with being stored in cars and self-destructing. And it sure doesn't help that no quality tape is being manufactured anymore. It is interesting however, to see the demise of present audio CD's....I can't say that I feel the least bit of sympathy for that medium. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:24:28 -0500 From: "Beckner, Derrick" Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Wow! best guess was $35 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It's a lot more than clubs, there are quite a few indy companies doing reisssues, just about every new pop/rock release is available on vinyl, and even the major labels like Columbia and Sony have been reissuing LPs. Cassettes got a bad rap on quality since most prerecorded cassettes were crap and were played on crap decks or in cars. The only thing cassettes had going for them in the general publics mind is that they were portable and recordable. Once CD-Rs became cheap and readily available the death of cassettes was only a matter of time. Now widespread mp3s and unbelievably cheap storage (1 TB for $99!) have started to kill CD-Rs and DVD-Rs. New CDs will be around as long as companies insist on schlepping off inferior digital downloads, but once they get on board with DVD or SACD quality downloads, CDs will likely croak too. But we'll always have vinyl. The market is small but strong and a lot of artists are still married to analogue production. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregorybeck at mac.com Fri Dec 10 16:54:03 2010 From: gregorybeck at mac.com (Gregory Beck) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:54:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: greetings from a new member Message-ID: Greetings to everyone- I’m new to this blog. And I’m not sure why it took me so long to find you- I’ve been an avid Nak fan since I first laid eyes on a 630 preamp/tuner but could not afford it just out of college. IMHO the 630 remains one of the most beautiful audio components ever designed. I’m now the proud owner of a near-mint System One, purchased several years ago via Audiogon, and it sounds terrific- even the 600 deck, which appears rarely used, is now replaying great memories from my long-neglected and much-loved cassette collection. The rack is powering Allison CD-9 speakers, a vintage 1980’s combination which produces an exceptional sound experience. I’d like to trade notes with other System One owners about maintenance and upkeep, and look forward to participating in naktalk conversations. Some day, when I grow up, maybe I can run with the big dogs and get a 700 ZXL or a Dragon… Santa, are you there? Happy holidays to all- Gregory gregorybeck at mac.com From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Dec 10 20:38:15 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:38:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 help Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Got to work on one of my sad RX-202's again. First the capstan belt had gone, so a new one placed, that was easy for a change! Next I found the cam/tray belt needed replacing also, that was a small challenge but I made it after a small fight. Then I decided to do another 'easy' job, change the idler tire... that seems a real challenge on this one! I was thinking removing the black back plate from within the cassette compartment would do the trick, but after removing it's 2 screws it was impossible to remove it. So my question, is this the way to do this? Any tips would be welcome! BTW, I really like this deck, simple but effective for continuous playback! Wouter From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Dec 10 23:27:11 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:27:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Wouter - I have always removed the transport on an RX-202 to change the idler tire. If someone out there knows a way to get the backing plate off I'm all ears!! Willy On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Got to work on one of my sad RX-202's again. > First the capstan belt had gone, so a new one placed, that was easy for a > change! > Next I found the cam/tray belt needed replacing also, that was a small > challenge but I made it after a small fight. > Then I decided to do another 'easy' job, change the idler tire... that > seems a real challenge on this one! > I was thinking removing the black back plate from within the cassette > compartment would do the trick, but after removing it's 2 screws it was > impossible to remove it. > So my question, is this the way to do this? Any tips would be welcome! > > BTW, I really like this deck, simple but effective for continuous playback! > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Dec 11 00:17:39 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:17:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8756201aacd224587619c893a14e96e4.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Ahhh, had a bright moment and remembered Scott's page, there it was: http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX-202_Idler.htm Back to work! Wouter ps. Thanks Scott for these wonderful pages! > Hi Everyone, > > Got to work on one of my sad RX-202's again. > First the capstan belt had gone, so a new one placed, that was easy for a > change! > Next I found the cam/tray belt needed replacing also, that was a small > challenge but I made it after a small fight. > Then I decided to do another 'easy' job, change the idler tire... that > seems a real challenge on this one! > I was thinking removing the black back plate from within the cassette > compartment would do the trick, but after removing it's 2 screws it was > impossible to remove it. > So my question, is this the way to do this? Any tips would be welcome! > > BTW, I really like this deck, simple but effective for continuous > playback! > From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sat Dec 11 09:58:35 2010 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:58:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 help In-Reply-To: <8756201aacd224587619c893a14e96e4.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <8756201aacd224587619c893a14e96e4.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000301cb9911$98634f10$c929ed30$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Ha Wouter, Mooi werk he dat repareren. Ik ben wel blij met al die kennis in de club. Scheelt een hoop (uit)zoekwerk. M vr gr Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Wouter Heijke Verzonden: zaterdag 11 december 2010 0:18 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] RX-202 help Ahhh, had a bright moment and remembered Scott's page, there it was: http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX-202_Idler.htm Back to work! Wouter ps. Thanks Scott for these wonderful pages! > Hi Everyone, > > Got to work on one of my sad RX-202's again. > First the capstan belt had gone, so a new one placed, that was easy for a > change! > Next I found the cam/tray belt needed replacing also, that was a small > challenge but I made it after a small fight. > Then I decided to do another 'easy' job, change the idler tire... that > seems a real challenge on this one! > I was thinking removing the black back plate from within the cassette > compartment would do the trick, but after removing it's 2 screws it was > impossible to remove it. > So my question, is this the way to do this? Any tips would be welcome! > > BTW, I really like this deck, simple but effective for continuous > playback! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Dec 11 12:37:42 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:37:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 help In-Reply-To: <000301cb9911$98634f10$c929ed30$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <8756201aacd224587619c893a14e96e4.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <000301cb9911$98634f10$c929ed30$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: Hey Norman, Yes repairing Naks is a fun thing to do, although I (one time) wish to move on measuring and such, now I mainly do simple belt and lamp replacement. Also like you say it is great to have so much knowledge around here! Happy 700ZXL hunting ;-) Wouter > Ha Wouter, > > Mooi werk he dat repareren. Ik ben wel blij met al die kennis in de club. > Scheelt een hoop (uit)zoekwerk. > > M vr gr > > Norman > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens > Wouter Heijke > Verzonden: zaterdag 11 december 2010 0:18 > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] RX-202 help > > Ahhh, had a bright moment and remembered Scott's page, there it was: > > http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX-202_Idler.htm > > Back to work! > > Wouter > > ps. Thanks Scott for these wonderful pages! > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Got to work on one of my sad RX-202's again. >> First the capstan belt had gone, so a new one placed, that was easy for >> a >> change! >> Next I found the cam/tray belt needed replacing also, that was a small >> challenge but I made it after a small fight. >> Then I decided to do another 'easy' job, change the idler tire... that >> seems a real challenge on this one! >> I was thinking removing the black back plate from within the cassette >> compartment would do the trick, but after removing it's 2 screws it was >> impossible to remove it. >> So my question, is this the way to do this? Any tips would be welcome! >> >> BTW, I really like this deck, simple but effective for continuous >> playback! >> > From juho.kerola at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 15:22:49 2010 From: juho.kerola at gmail.com (Juho Kerola) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:22:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Greetings & About DR-10 servicing Message-ID: Hello, This is my first post to the list. I've been reading it a lot and been in contact with some of the members privately before. I really apreciate this community and all the helpfull and nice people. :) I wish this level of devotion would exist in other fields where I work (old video etc). My backround is in professional analog-to-digital transfer work. I digitize old video & audio recordings. I've concentrated my efforts more on the video, with which I do most work on. From the beginning I've used Nakamichi LX-3, and lately DR-10 to do the c-tapes. I've always wanted to get higher end gear for this, but it's difficult to justify (cost wise). Most, if not all of my client work is in very bad shape, bad recordings, from bad storage and in many cases the transport needs complete cleaning after every cassette. So DR-10 has been "enough" for this. Lately I bought calibration tapes from naks.es to fine tune the DR-10 myself, because good service techs are hard to to come by here. I just realized after the fact that I'm missing service manual for it and can't find it from anywhere. If someone has it or info where to find it from, that'd be great. Best Regards Juho Kerola From vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 11 17:20:53 2010 From: vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com (Vijay Bagaria) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:50:53 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <862119.37806.qm@web95004.mail.in2.yahoo.com> hi ron , i did not find any volume control for headphone jeck as mentioned by you on my nakamichi cr 5. is there any other way to reduce very high output level of headphone jeck ? vijay bagaria. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Dec 11 18:55:51 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:55:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <862119.37806.qm@web95004.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <862119.37806.qm@web95004.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5bb8fb7e8e35745a85b4443a6775c859.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi, It is called 'output' bottom-right corner of the deck. Otherwise have a look at the owners-manual, it lists the control: http://download.naks.com/manuals/owners/international/CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf Wouter > hi ron , > > i did not find any volume control for headphone jeck as mentioned by you > on my nakamichi cr 5. > > is there any other way to reduce very high output level of headphone jeck > ? > > vijay bagaria. > From fsclaol at yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 04:33:21 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:33:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Is It CD or Is It A Nak...... Message-ID: <738431.71357.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Playing one of my cassettes on the CR 7 and well into the program she starts to skip.... went to take the CD out to put it through the Disc Docktor........ Wait it's a cassette.....;>(  missed this skip when I recorded the thing.... Oh well. Fred in CT and listening to Sonny Rollins.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stefolof at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 12:29:23 2010 From: stefolof at gmail.com (Stefan Olofsson) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:29:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement heads Message-ID: Hi guys, I have the opportunity to buy an old 682ZX from a friend. It has been used over the years though and the heads might need replacement. Is it still possible to find replacement heads for these machines? Thanks, Stefan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 15:32:22 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 06:32:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <862119.37806.qm@web95004.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <862119.37806.qm@web95004.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <722874.88475.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Vijay, The CR-5 output level control affects both the deck output and the headphone output. Look at the front panel -- IIRC, it's the lowest knob on the far right. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Vijay Bagaria To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 11:20:53 AM Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) hi ron , i did not find any volume control for headphone jeck as mentioned by you on my nakamichi cr 5. is there any other way to reduce very high output level of headphone jeck ? vijay bagaria. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's possible yes, but usually other problems arise first. I'll let the tech experts answer, but I believe you'll only find donor heads from other machines these days...if you need them at all. Maybe Jeff G. at ESL has NOS heads still-dunno. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:29:23 +0100 From: Stefan Olofsson Subject: [naktalk] Replacement heads To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi guys, I have the opportunity to buy an old 682ZX from a friend. It has been used over the years though and the heads might need replacement. Is it still possible to find replacement heads for these machines? Thanks, Stefan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinwh at comcast.net Tue Dec 14 01:15:19 2010 From: martinwh at comcast.net (martinwh at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <797129800.222812.1291593063594.JavaMail.root@sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <895749001.646652.1292285719983.JavaMail.root@sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> no experts on the old 1000? ----- Original Message ----- From: martinwh at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:51:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 Just picked up a very nice Nakamichi 1000 deck. This will be used mostly to play the 200+ pre-recorded cassette tapes my wife has from the 80s. Its a kick to listen to these tapes and the machine plays them very well. I was hoping to record a tape for my pickup which only has a cassette player but I'm not pleased with the results I am getting. The tape is an old XLII from the 80s that has never been used. Possible the azimuth is not set right? I tried adjust it using the directions in the manual but I can't seem to get much response or change from the lights when turning the knob. They both tend to flicker just a little no matter what you do with the screw. Not real sure what it is suppose to look like? Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Tue Dec 14 12:53:17 2010 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:53:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <201012141106.oBEB0544022636@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4CA9C7750003F530@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Hello Martin, Congretulations with the first mayor Nak player. It all began with TT1000. This old player may have some electronics system malfunctioning. And that is only for the specialists to analyse. There are a few points to take into account. First, RH azimuth; The RH azimuth should only be adjusted when actually recording the 400 Hz test signal. If you switch on the azimuth calibration circuit when playing back (!) a tape the two pilot lights will flicker just a little, picking up some signal from the tape being played. The azymuth adjust knob won't change this in any way , because nothing is recorded. If you are recording the 400 Hz signal and everything is working correctly the flickering will go over onto one of the two beacons becoming permanently lit and the other permanently dim if the azymuth is away from the ideal center. turning the know should change this into an even flickering of both beacons when azymuth is correct, and further adjustment will set the other beacon to light. Second, electronic contacts; The deck has several inserted PCB's that are connected into gold plated rim contact slots. These tend to get weak and filthy in 30 to 40 years (I know, rather quick). Clean all these contacts and you can even bend the contacts to increase presure. These rim contacts can cause all kinds of problems and this might influence the recording capabilities. Third, using modern tapes. The Maxell UD/XL II is actually too modern for the TT series. For this tape to perform well I have to crank up the bias to almost max. And still distortion is below spec. Let us know how you went with this gem, Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > >From: martinwh at comcast.net >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > > >no experts on the old 1000? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: martinwh at comcast.net >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:51:03 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > > >Just picked up a very nice Nakamichi 1000 deck. This will be used mostly >to play the 200+ pre-recorded cassette tapes my wife has from the 80s. Its >a kick to listen to these tapes and the machine plays them very well. > >I was hoping to record a tape for my pickup which only has a cassette player >but I'm not pleased with the results I am getting. The tape is an old XLII >from the 80s that has never been used. Possible the azimuth is not set right? >I tried adjust it using the directions in the manual but I can't seem to >get much response or change from the lights when turning the knob. They both >tend to flicker just a little no matter what you do with the screw. Not real >sure what it is suppose to look like? > >Martin > From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Dec 14 13:51:01 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:51:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Message-ID: <2016752852-1292331062-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-252290456-@bda2958.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Martin, Like I mentioned on AK, the 1000 is a handful of a deck. While I'm sure there are a few 1000 owners here, most of us tech types shy away from it. When you say you adjusted the azimuth per the manual I hope you didn't adjust the front azimuth screwdriver adjustment on the head block per the service manual. Without the right azimuth tapes and gauges you would be shooting in the dark. Poor recording on a deck that old is just as likely to be electrical as mechanical. And if it plays fine, more likely to be electrical IMHO. It really is impossible to diagnose a vague symptom like "doesn't record well" via email. You have to find someone willing to work on it that has had experience with it. Anyone here ? Perry Esposito - From my phone From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Dec 14 13:59:48 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:59:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement heads Message-ID: <582047079-1292331589-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-942803726-@bda2958.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Highly unlikely a 682 has worn heads unless it was in commercial use. A Dragon or RX series deck is more likely as they can be set for infinite repeat in auto reverse. Life of heads on a 682 is 10000 hrs or about 7000 plays of 90 minute tapes! New replacement heads would be a couple of hundred. Used ones would fetch over 100 I'd guess, plus you have to have them installed by a qualified tech to have them aligned. Perry Esposito - From my phone From stefolof at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 10:32:11 2010 From: stefolof at gmail.com (Stefan Olofsson) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:32:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Replacement heads In-Reply-To: <143723.96150.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201012131117.oBDB8mgp019056@zxe.naks.com> <143723.96150.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Kevin! I took the plunge. All best / Stefan On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Stefan, > It takes a LOT of hrs to wear out Nak heads. It's possible yes, but usually > other problems arise first. I'll let the tech experts answer, but I believe > you'll only find donor heads from other machines these days...if you need > them at all. Maybe Jeff G. at ESL has NOS heads still-dunno. > > Kevin > > ------------------------------ > **Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:29:23 +0100 > From: Stefan Olofsson > Subject: [naktalk] Replacement heads > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Hi guys, > > I have the opportunity to buy an old 682ZX from a friend. It has been used > over the years though and the heads might need replacement. Is it still > possible to find replacement heads for these machines? > > Thanks, > Stefan > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinwh at comcast.net Tue Dec 14 15:30:52 2010 From: martinwh at comcast.net (martinwh at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <2003589931.671856.1292336753642.JavaMail.root@sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1435449816.672012.1292337052870.JavaMail.root@sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks Henk, Yes I checked and cleaned all the PCB slots when I bought it but they appeared to be fine. In fact, the inside of this unit is very, very clean as it did not see much use in its life and was in storage most of the time. When I adjusted the azimuth per the book I was recording the 400Hz with the switch on tape (not source) and could not get much effect from turning the RH knob. Both lights seem to flicker just a little no matter what I do to the knob. The tape I was using was a XLII not a (UDXL). As far as quality of recording that I got. It did the job but was very flat with no dynamics. I assume it may be some electronics on one of the boards? It plays pre recorded tapes great but it would be good to know it was all per spec. This will probably bother me until I get it fixed even though I may not record much if at all. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "ScHenk" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:53:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 Hello Martin, Congretulations with the first mayor Nak player. It all began with TT1000. This old player may have some electronics system malfunctioning. And that is only for the specialists to analyse. There are a few points to take into account. First, RH azimuth; The RH azimuth should only be adjusted when actually recording the 400 Hz test signal. If you switch on the azimuth calibration circuit when playing back (!) a tape the two pilot lights will flicker just a little, picking up some signal from the tape being played. The azymuth adjust knob won't change this in any way , because nothing is recorded. If you are recording the 400 Hz signal and everything is working correctly the flickering will go over onto one of the two beacons becoming permanently lit and the other permanently dim if the azymuth is away from the ideal center. turning the know should change this into an even flickering of both beacons when azymuth is correct, and further adjustment will set the other beacon to light. Second, electronic contacts; The deck has several inserted PCB's that are connected into gold plated rim contact slots. These tend to get weak and filthy in 30 to 40 years (I know, rather quick). Clean all these contacts and you can even bend the contacts to increase presure. These rim contacts can cause all kinds of problems and this might influence the recording capabilities. Third, using modern tapes. The Maxell UD/XL II is actually too modern for the TT series. For this tape to perform well I have to crank up the bias to almost max. And still distortion is below spec. Let us know how you went with this gem, Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > >From: martinwh at comcast.net >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > > >no experts on the old 1000? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: martinwh at comcast.net >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:51:03 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > > >Just picked up a very nice Nakamichi 1000 deck. This will be used mostly >to play the 200+ pre-recorded cassette tapes my wife has from the 80s. Its >a kick to listen to these tapes and the machine plays them very well. > >I was hoping to record a tape for my pickup which only has a cassette player >but I'm not pleased with the results I am getting. The tape is an old XLII >from the 80s that has never been used. Possible the azimuth is not set right? >I tried adjust it using the directions in the manual but I can't seem to >get much response or change from the lights when turning the knob. They both >tend to flicker just a little no matter what you do with the screw. Not real >sure what it is suppose to look like? > >Martin > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinwh at comcast.net Tue Dec 14 15:32:21 2010 From: martinwh at comcast.net (martinwh at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 In-Reply-To: <2016752852-1292331062-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-252290456-@bda2958.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <404311811.672069.1292337141121.JavaMail.root@sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Perry, no crew driver, just the knob. Is there a source for a service manual somewhere? Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "perry nak" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:51:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Martin, Like I mentioned on AK, the 1000 is a handful of a deck. While I'm sure there are a few 1000 owners here, most of us tech types shy away from it. When you say you adjusted the azimuth per the manual I hope you didn't adjust the front azimuth screwdriver adjustment on the head block per the service manual. Without the right azimuth tapes and gauges you would be shooting in the dark. Poor recording on a deck that old is just as likely to be electrical as mechanical. And if it plays fine, more likely to be electrical IMHO. It really is impossible to diagnose a vague symptom like "doesn't record well" via email. You have to find someone willing to work on it that has had experience with it. Anyone here ? Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Dec 14 18:14:51 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:14:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <201012141121.oBEB8X3L022658@zxe.naks.com> References: <201012141121.oBEB8X3L022658@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <26550.16553.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Martin, If you're talking about an original Nak 1000, Jeff G. at ESL told me they are not worth restoring. The 1000ZXL is another story. I had a chance to buy a 1000 for dirt-he said not to bother. If you're following the manual directions and not getting good results, you have a record/azimuth problem with the deck. Good luck with the repairs.... Kevin Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) From: martinwh at comcast.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <895749001.646652.1292285719983.JavaMail.root at sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" no experts on the old 1000? ----- Original Message ----- From: martinwh at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:51:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 Just picked up a very nice Nakamichi 1000 deck. This will be used mostly to play the 200+ pre-recorded cassette tapesmy wife has from the 80s. Its a kick to listen to these tapes and the machine plays them very well. I was hoping to record a tape for my pickup which only has a cassette playerbut I'm not pleased with the results I am getting. The tape is an old XLII from the 80s that has never been used. Possible the azimuth is not set right? I tried adjust it using the directions in the manual but I can't seem to get much response or change from the lights when turning the knob. They both tend to flicker just a little no matter what you do with the screw. Not real sure what it is suppose to look like? Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 00:27:20 2010 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:27:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <26550.16553.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201012141121.oBEB8X3L022658@zxe.naks.com> <26550.16553.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Martin,I advise you to make your own judgements.If you like the deck then nothing else matters...Jeff Galin,aka ESL labs is not God,.He is just good technician,nothing more.Best regards,Mike On 12/14/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Martin, > If you're talking about an original Nak 1000, Jeff G. at ESL told me they are > not > worth restoring. The 1000ZXL is another story. I had a chance to buy a 1000 > for > dirt-he said not to bother. If you're following the manual directions and > not > getting good results, you have a record/azimuth problem with the deck. Good > luck > with the repairs.... > > Kevin > > > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) > From: martinwh at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > <895749001.646652.1292285719983.JavaMail.root at sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > no experts on the old 1000? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: martinwh at comcast.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:51:03 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > > > Just picked up a very nice Nakamichi 1000 deck. This will be used mostly to > play > the 200+ pre-recorded cassette tapesmy wife has from the 80s. Its a kick to > listen to these tapes and the machine plays them very well. > > > I was hoping to record a tape for my pickup which only has a cassette > playerbut > I'm not pleased with the results I am getting. The tape is an old XLII from > the > 80s that has never been used. Possible the azimuth is not set right? I > tried > adjust it using the directions in the manual but I can't seem to get much > response or change from the lights when turning the knob. They both tend to > flicker just a little no matter what you do with the screw. Not real sure > what > it is suppose to look like? > > > Martin From jeff at eslabs.com Wed Dec 15 07:03:58 2010 From: jeff at eslabs.com (Jeff Galin) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:03:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: References: <201012141121.oBEB8X3L022658@zxe.naks.com> <26550.16553.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1292393038.32613.1410412711@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi Martin, I guess that Mike does't really know me and thinks that I profess to be the "Nakamichi God". He has been misimformed. I am only part of an expert team, servicing Nakamichi products, at Electronics Service Labs. Your machine most likely has a bad record head. The 1000, 700, 1000II and 700II record heads had a high failure rate due to gap edge damage. At least, your machine can be restored to playback well if it doesn't need any of the other obsolete parts. Although these machine's look real professional, a BX-300 will out perform them and can still be restored into a perfect working reliable condition for much less cost. Adonai d/b/a Jeff ----- Original message ----- From: "MD" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:27:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 1000 Martin,I advise you to make your own judgements.If you like the deck then nothing else matters...Jeff Galin,aka ESL labs is not God,.He is just good technician,nothing more.Best regards,Mike On 12/14/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Martin, > If you're talking about an original Nak 1000, Jeff G. at ESL told me they are > not > worth restoring. The 1000ZXL is another story. I had a chance to buy a 1000 > for > dirt-he said not to bother. If you're following the manual directions and > not > getting good results, you have a record/azimuth problem with the deck. Good > luck > with the repairs.... > > Kevin > > > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) > From: martinwh at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > <895749001.646652.1292285719983.JavaMail.root at sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > no experts on the old 1000? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: martinwh at comcast.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:51:03 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > > > Just picked up a very nice Nakamichi 1000 deck. This will be used mostly to > play > the 200+ pre-recorded cassette tapesmy wife has from the 80s. Its a kick to > listen to these tapes and the machine plays them very well. > > > I was hoping to record a tape for my pickup which only has a cassette > playerbut > I'm not pleased with the results I am getting. The tape is an old XLII from > the > 80s that has never been used. Possible the azimuth is not set right? I > tried > adjust it using the directions in the manual but I can't seem to get much > response or change from the lights when turning the knob. They both tend to > flicker just a little no matter what you do with the screw. Not real sure > what > it is suppose to look like? > > > Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From martinwh at comcast.net Wed Dec 15 01:05:34 2010 From: martinwh at comcast.net (martinwh at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <389026978.706463.1292371534228.JavaMail.root@sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yes it is the original, original 1000 and the only reason I have it is I bought it cheap and it is in great condition. As it plays pre-recorded tapes very well it is serving my purpose for it. I was hoping there may be something easy or obvious to have it perform better for recording but it sounds like that is not the case. Thanks for all the input everyone! ----- Original Message ----- From: "MD" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:27:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 1000 Martin,I advise you to make your own judgements.If you like the deck then nothing else matters...Jeff Galin,aka ESL labs is not God,.He is just good technician,nothing more.Best regards,Mike On 12/14/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Martin, > If you're talking about an original Nak 1000, Jeff G. at ESL told me they are > not > worth restoring. The 1000ZXL is another story. I had a chance to buy a 1000 > for > dirt-he said not to bother. If you're following the manual directions and > not > getting good results, you have a record/azimuth problem with the deck. Good > luck > with the repairs.... > > Kevin > > > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) > From: martinwh at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > <895749001.646652.1292285719983.JavaMail.root at sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > no experts on the old 1000? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: martinwh at comcast.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:51:03 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > > > Just picked up a very nice Nakamichi 1000 deck. This will be used mostly to > play > the 200+ pre-recorded cassette tapesmy wife has from the 80s. Its a kick to > listen to these tapes and the machine plays them very well. > > > I was hoping to record a tape for my pickup which only has a cassette > playerbut > I'm not pleased with the results I am getting. The tape is an old XLII from > the > 80s that has never been used. Possible the azimuth is not set right? I > tried > adjust it using the directions in the manual but I can't seem to get much > response or change from the lights when turning the knob. They both tend to > flicker just a little no matter what you do with the screw. Not real sure > what > it is suppose to look like? > > > Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Wed Dec 15 01:47:17 2010 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:47:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: References: <201012141121.oBEB8X3L022658@zxe.naks.com> <26550.16553.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Martin This sounds like a level thing. Are you sure you are getting the right output level from whatever you are recording from? And what is that? If it's a turntable then I ask the stupid question of whether it's going through an amp with a RIAA correction stage. If not, that would account for the low level of output. Try a recording from the radio or a CD player. I may be on the wrong track here, but it is worth testing things to know to isolate the fault and be sure that is with the Nak. You could try recording to your laptop - the Mic input is fine for that - and see if you get the same level problem. Hope this helps. Regards Christian Thomas On 14 December 2010 23:27, MD wrote: > Martin,I advise you to make your own judgements.If you like the deck > then nothing else matters...Jeff Galin,aka ESL labs is not God,.He is > just good technician,nothing more.Best regards,Mike > > On 12/14/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > Martin, > > If you're talking about an original Nak 1000, Jeff G. at ESL told me they > are > > not > > worth restoring. The 1000ZXL is another story. I had a chance to buy a > 1000 > > for > > dirt-he said not to bother. If you're following the manual directions and > > not > > getting good results, you have a record/azimuth problem with the deck. > Good > > luck > > with the repairs.... > > > > Kevin > > > > > > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) > > From: martinwh at comcast.net > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > > > > < > 895749001.646652.1292285719983.JavaMail.root at sz0172a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net > > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > no experts on the old 1000? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: martinwh at comcast.net > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:51:03 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 > > > > > > Just picked up a very nice Nakamichi 1000 deck. This will be used mostly > to > > play > > the 200+ pre-recorded cassette tapesmy wife has from the 80s. Its a kick > to > > listen to these tapes and the machine plays them very well. > > > > > > I was hoping to record a tape for my pickup which only has a cassette > > playerbut > > I'm not pleased with the results I am getting. The tape is an old XLII > from > > the > > 80s that has never been used. Possible the azimuth is not set right? I > > tried > > adjust it using the directions in the manual but I can't seem to get > much > > response or change from the lights when turning the knob. They both tend > to > > flicker just a little no matter what you do with the screw. 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URL: From vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 10:03:27 2010 From: vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com (Vijay Bagaria) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:33:27 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <201012121146.oBCBbn0I015249@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <951650.30970.qm@web95003.mail.in2.yahoo.com> hi ron, wouter and all, i got the headphone output control at my cr-5. only the problem is that it is output control of the deck as well as headphone output combined. thanks for being concern. if i can be of any use, pl. feel free to contact me. vijay bagaria --- On Sun, 12/12/10, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: naktalk-request at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, 12 December, 2010, 5:16 PM > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions > to >     naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >     http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to >     naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at >     naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > >    1. RE: RX-202 help (Wouter Heijke) >    2. Greetings & About DR-10 servicing > (Juho Kerola) >    3. (no subject) (Vijay Bagaria) >    4. Re: (no subject) (Wouter Heijke) >    5. Is It CD or Is It A Nak...... (Fred > S.C. Li) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:37:42 +0100 > From: "Wouter Heijke" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX-202 help > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: >     > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hey Norman, > > Yes repairing Naks is a fun thing to do, although I (one > time) wish to > move on measuring and such, now I mainly do simple belt and > lamp > replacement. > Also like you say it is great to have so much knowledge > around here! > > Happy 700ZXL hunting ;-) > > Wouter > > > Ha Wouter, > > > > Mooi werk he dat repareren. Ik ben wel blij met al die > kennis in de club. > > Scheelt een hoop (uit)zoekwerk. > > > > M vr gr > > > > Norman > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > Namens > > Wouter Heijke > > Verzonden: zaterdag 11 december 2010 0:18 > > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] RX-202 help > > > > Ahhh, had a bright moment and remembered Scott's page, > there it was: > > > > http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX-202_Idler.htm > > > > Back to work! > > > > Wouter > > > > ps. Thanks Scott for these wonderful pages! > > > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> Got to work on one of my sad RX-202's again. > >> First the capstan belt had gone, so a new one > placed, that was easy for > >> a > >> change! > >> Next I found the cam/tray belt needed replacing > also, that was a small > >> challenge but I made it after a small fight. > >> Then I decided to do another 'easy' job, change > the idler tire... that > >> seems a real challenge on this one! > >> I was thinking removing the black back plate from > within the cassette > >> compartment would do the trick, but after removing > it's 2 screws it was > >> impossible to remove it. > >> So my question, is this the way to do this? Any > tips would be welcome! > >> > >> BTW, I really like this deck, simple but effective > for continuous > >> playback! > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:22:49 +0200 > From: Juho Kerola > Subject: [naktalk] Greetings & About DR-10 servicing > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: >     > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello, > > This is my first post to the list. I've been reading it a > lot and been > in contact with some of the members privately before. I > really > apreciate this community and all the helpfull and nice > people. :) I > wish this level of devotion would exist in other fields > where I work > (old video etc). > > My backround is in professional analog-to-digital transfer > work. I > digitize old video & audio recordings. I've > concentrated my efforts > more on the video, with which I do most work on. From the > beginning > I've used Nakamichi LX-3, and lately DR-10 to do the > c-tapes. I've > always wanted to get higher end gear for this, but it's > difficult to > justify (cost wise). Most, if not all of my client work is > in very bad > shape, bad recordings, from bad storage and in many cases > the > transport needs complete cleaning after every cassette. So > DR-10 has > been "enough" for this. > > Lately I bought calibration tapes from naks.es to fine tune > the DR-10 > myself, because good service techs are hard to to come by > here. I just > realized after the fact that I'm missing service manual for > it and > can't find it from anywhere. If someone has it or info > where to find > it from, that'd be great. > > Best Regards > Juho Kerola > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:50:53 +0530 (IST) > From: Vijay Bagaria > Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <862119.37806.qm at web95004.mail.in2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hi ron , > > i did not find any volume control for headphone jeck as > mentioned by you on my nakamichi cr 5. > > is there any other way to reduce very high output level of > headphone jeck ? > > vijay bagaria. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:55:51 +0100 > From: "Wouter Heijke" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: >     <5bb8fb7e8e35745a85b4443a6775c859.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi, > It is called 'output' bottom-right corner of the deck. > Otherwise have a look at the owners-manual, it lists the > control: > > http://download.naks.com/manuals/owners/international/CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf > > Wouter > > > hi ron , > > > > i did not find any volume control for headphone jeck > as mentioned by you > > on my nakamichi cr 5. > > > > is there any other way to reduce very high output > level of headphone jeck > > ? > > > > vijay bagaria. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:33:21 -0800 (PST) > From: "Fred S.C. Li" > Subject: [naktalk] Is It CD or Is It A Nak...... > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <738431.71357.qm at web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Playing one of my cassettes on the CR 7 and well into the > program she starts to skip.... went to take the CD out to > put it through the Disc Docktor........ > Wait it's a cassette.....;>(  missed this skip when I > recorded the thing.... > Oh well. > Fred in CT and listening to Sonny Rollins.... > > >       > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101211/97df3a31/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 > *************************************** > From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Dec 15 13:42:02 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:42:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Message-ID: <1200062752-1292416921-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1655430462-@bda2958.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Sounds like you are doing everything right. I knew you would get responses like this as I mentioned on AK. It would have to be a labor of love not value in order to repair or restore it. Jeff at ESL loves all things Nakamichi or he wouldn't be doing what he does. He sure can't get rich off it despite what most think. He's being honest from his standpoint. The end result even if perfectly restored would be much more expensive than a more modern deck like CR5 would cost to buy and restore and actually still sound inferior and be worth less. Not worthless, just worth less. It sounds like perhaps a bias oscillator issue or the record head itself is the issue. If it plays tapes fine, then it is not getting a decent 400Hz signal to it so it can't measure the phase difference. If it was just azimuth it would sound dull , with no highs, not lifeless with no dynamics. 400 Hz is relatively immune to azimuth for level and bias and cam be recorded at a strong 0dB so as to allow easy comparison of the phase between L&R . At any rate it's not a quick fix. Sorry.. No one has an original 1000 SM from what I gather. As you are not the first to ask and look for one. Googles only come up with others also looking, never found. Perry Esposito - From my phone From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 15:21:53 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 06:21:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <951650.30970.qm@web95003.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <951650.30970.qm@web95003.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <788730.85082.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, in most cases, when listening to headphones, the speakers are not playing and when listening to speakers ... you know what I mean. So a single control for both makes sense. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Vijay Bagaria To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 4:03:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 hi ron, wouter and all, i got the headphone output control at my cr-5. only the problem is that it is output control of the deck as well as headphone output combined. thanks for being concern. if i can be of any use, pl. feel free to contact me. vijay bagaria --- On Sun, 12/12/10, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: naktalk-request at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, 12 December, 2010, 5:16 PM > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions > to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: RX-202 help (Wouter Heijke) > 2. Greetings & About DR-10 servicing > (Juho Kerola) > 3. (no subject) (Vijay Bagaria) > 4. Re: (no subject) (Wouter Heijke) > 5. Is It CD or Is It A Nak...... (Fred > S.C. Li) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:37:42 +0100 > From: "Wouter Heijke" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX-202 help > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hey Norman, > > Yes repairing Naks is a fun thing to do, although I (one > time) wish to > move on measuring and such, now I mainly do simple belt and > lamp > replacement. > Also like you say it is great to have so much knowledge > around here! > > Happy 700ZXL hunting ;-) > > Wouter > > > Ha Wouter, > > > > Mooi werk he dat repareren. Ik ben wel blij met al die > kennis in de club. > > Scheelt een hoop (uit)zoekwerk. > > > > M vr gr > > > > Norman > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > Namens > > Wouter Heijke > > Verzonden: zaterdag 11 december 2010 0:18 > > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] RX-202 help > > > > Ahhh, had a bright moment and remembered Scott's page, > there it was: > > > > http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX-202_Idler.htm > > > > Back to work! > > > > Wouter > > > > ps. Thanks Scott for these wonderful pages! > > > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> Got to work on one of my sad RX-202's again. > >> First the capstan belt had gone, so a new one > placed, that was easy for > >> a > >> change! > >> Next I found the cam/tray belt needed replacing > also, that was a small > >> challenge but I made it after a small fight. > >> Then I decided to do another 'easy' job, change > the idler tire... that > >> seems a real challenge on this one! > >> I was thinking removing the black back plate from > within the cassette > >> compartment would do the trick, but after removing > it's 2 screws it was > >> impossible to remove it. > >> So my question, is this the way to do this? Any > tips would be welcome! > >> > >> BTW, I really like this deck, simple but effective > for continuous > >> playback! > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:22:49 +0200 > From: Juho Kerola > Subject: [naktalk] Greetings & About DR-10 servicing > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello, > > This is my first post to the list. I've been reading it a > lot and been > in contact with some of the members privately before. I > really > apreciate this community and all the helpfull and nice > people. :) I > wish this level of devotion would exist in other fields > where I work > (old video etc). > > My backround is in professional analog-to-digital transfer > work. I > digitize old video & audio recordings. I've > concentrated my efforts > more on the video, with which I do most work on. From the > beginning > I've used Nakamichi LX-3, and lately DR-10 to do the > c-tapes. I've > always wanted to get higher end gear for this, but it's > difficult to > justify (cost wise). Most, if not all of my client work is > in very bad > shape, bad recordings, from bad storage and in many cases > the > transport needs complete cleaning after every cassette. So > DR-10 has > been "enough" for this. > > Lately I bought calibration tapes from naks.es to fine tune > the DR-10 > myself, because good service techs are hard to to come by > here. I just > realized after the fact that I'm missing service manual for > it and > can't find it from anywhere. If someone has it or info > where to find > it from, that'd be great. > > Best Regards > Juho Kerola > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:50:53 +0530 (IST) > From: Vijay Bagaria > Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <862119.37806.qm at web95004.mail.in2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hi ron , > > i did not find any volume control for headphone jeck as > mentioned by you on my nakamichi cr 5. > > is there any other way to reduce very high output level of > headphone jeck ? > > vijay bagaria. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:55:51 +0100 > From: "Wouter Heijke" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <5bb8fb7e8e35745a85b4443a6775c859.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi, > It is called 'output' bottom-right corner of the deck. > Otherwise have a look at the owners-manual, it lists the > control: > > http://download.naks.com/manuals/owners/international/CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf > > Wouter > > > hi ron , > > > > i did not find any volume control for headphone jeck > as mentioned by you > > on my nakamichi cr 5. > > > > is there any other way to reduce very high output > level of headphone jeck > > ? > > > > vijay bagaria. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:33:21 -0800 (PST) > From: "Fred S.C. Li" > Subject: [naktalk] Is It CD or Is It A Nak...... > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <738431.71357.qm at web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Playing one of my cassettes on the CR 7 and well into the > program she starts to skip.... went to take the CD out to > put it through the Disc Docktor........ > Wait it's a cassette.....;>( missed this skip when I > recorded the thing.... > Oh well. > Fred in CT and listening to Sonny Rollins.... > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101211/97df3a31/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 > *************************************** > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 11:16:11 2010 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:16:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem Message-ID: <8243.18891.qm@web113815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>  Please help me ! Have a Nakamichi RX-202, and have problem with play on side A of cassette holder, in "normal" play mode and reverse mode. Have a little movie with that problem in follow link:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCCO2XDVgo   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sjSW9FaItY   Any ideea somebody? Please?   Thank you and sorry for my poor english. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 19:10:36 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:10:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5bb8fb7e8e35745a85b4443a6775c859.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <794591.47106.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think what he wants is to adjust the headphone level without adjusting/changing the output control.  Maybe he can install a resistor in line with the headphone jack but the headphone level would still be fixed. Maybe the OP can get an MR-1, which has a separate headphone level control. Bob N --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Wouter Heijke wrote: From: Wouter Heijke Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 9:55 AM Hi, It is called 'output' bottom-right corner of the deck. Otherwise have a look at the owners-manual, it lists the control: http://download.naks.com/manuals/owners/international/CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf Wouter > hi ron , > > i did not find any volume control for headphone jeck as mentioned by you > on my nakamichi cr 5. > > is there any other way to reduce very high output level of headphone jeck > ? > > vijay bagaria. > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Dec 15 19:45:36 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:45:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem In-Reply-To: <8243.18891.qm@web113815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8243.18891.qm@web113815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01cb9c88$430e5850$c92b08f0$@math.utah.edu> It appears that you need to replace the belt. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of c n Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem Please help me ! Have a Nakamichi RX-202, and have problem with play on side A of cassette holder, in "normal" play mode and reverse mode. Have a little movie with that problem in follow link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCCO2XDVgo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sjSW9FaItY Any ideea somebody? Please? 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 21:03:05 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:03:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem In-Reply-To: <8243.18891.qm@web113815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8243.18891.qm@web113815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <551025.35120.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your flip mechanism belt might need to be replaced.  If you already did that then you screwed up the alignment of the flip mechanism gears.  Use my RX-series flip belt replacement DIY.  http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX-Series_Belt_Replacement.htm Scott J. ________________________________ From: c n To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 2:16:11 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem  Please help me ! Have a Nakamichi RX-202, and have problem with play on side A of cassette holder, in "normal" play mode and reverse mode. Have a little movie with that problem in follow link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCCO2XDVgo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sjSW9FaItY Any ideea somebody? Please? Thank you and sorry for my poor english. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 21:06:32 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:06:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <794591.47106.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <263352.52123.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How about an in-line headphone volume control. Most are the 1/8 stereo type but get a couple adapters for the jack and the headphone and he'd be good to go.   Thomas --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 1:10 PM I think what he wants is to adjust the headphone level without adjusting/changing the output control.  Maybe he can install a resistor in line with the headphone jack but the headphone level would still be fixed. Maybe the OP can get an MR-1, which has a separate headphone level control. Bob N --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Wouter Heijke wrote: From: Wouter Heijke Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 9:55 AM Hi, It is called 'output' bottom-right corner of the deck. Otherwise have a look at the owners-manual, it lists the control: http://download.naks.com/manuals/owners/international/CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf Wouter > hi ron , > > i did not find any volume control for headphone jeck as mentioned by you > on my nakamichi cr 5. > > is there any other way to reduce very high output level of headphone jeck > ? > > vijay bagaria. > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Philip.Stone at imail.org Wed Dec 15 22:07:18 2010 From: Philip.Stone at imail.org (Philip Stone) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:07:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out In-Reply-To: <001e01cb9c88$430e5850$c92b08f0$@math.utah.edu> References: <8243.18891.qm@web113815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001e01cb9c88$430e5850$c92b08f0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965D712CB46@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Hello everyone, I have a bx-300 that the right channel has started crackling in and out and sometimes sounds poorly on that side. It does it with all tapes. After some time it will start working correctly and will sound fine. I was thinking that it must be corrosion on a contact? Any thought's appreciated. Phil From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:46 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem It appears that you need to replace the belt. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of c n Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem Please help me ! Have a Nakamichi RX-202, and have problem with play on side A of cassette holder, in "normal" play mode and reverse mode. Have a little movie with that problem in follow link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCCO2XDVgo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sjSW9FaItY Any ideea somebody? Please? Thank you and sorry for my poor english. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 00:09:01 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:09:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem In-Reply-To: References: <8243.18891.qm@web113815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <522601.92725.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, it could be that too.  I should add that to my RX-series flip mechanism belt replacement DIY web page. Scott J. ________________________________ From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 11:51:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem Perform the "Slide Base Position Adjustment" - item 2.5 in the service manual. Willy On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:16 AM, c n wrote:  Please help me ! Have a Nakamichi RX-202, and have problem with play on side A of cassette holder, in "normal" play mode and reverse mode. Have a little movie with that problem in follow link: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCCO2XDVgo > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sjSW9FaItY > >Any ideea somebody? Please? > >Thank you and sorry for my poor english. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 02:13:15 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:13:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <263352.52123.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <965944.69144.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's a better idea! --- On Wed, 12/15/10, thomas wrote: From: thomas Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 12:06 PM How about an in-line headphone volume control. Most are the 1/8 stereo type but get a couple adapters for the jack and the headphone and he'd be good to go.   Thomas --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 1:10 PM I think what he wants is to adjust the headphone level without adjusting/changing the output control.  Maybe he can install a resistor in line with the headphone jack but the headphone level would still be fixed. Maybe the OP can get an MR-1, which has a separate headphone level control. Bob N --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Wouter Heijke wrote: From: Wouter Heijke Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 9:55 AM Hi, It is called 'output' bottom-right corner of the deck. Otherwise have a look at the owners-manual, it lists the control: http://download.naks.com/manuals/owners/international/CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf Wouter > hi ron , > > i did not find any volume control for headphone jeck as mentioned by you > on my nakamichi cr 5. > > is there any other way to reduce very high output level of headphone jeck > ? > > vijay bagaria. > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 07:04:53 2010 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:04:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem In-Reply-To: <522601.92725.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <282926.83429.qm@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you very much, your support is great gift for my Christmas !!! Is a good news for me !!! Thank you again ! --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Scott Johnson wrote: From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 1:09 AM Yeah, it could be that too.  I should add that to my RX-series flip mechanism belt replacement DIY web page.   Scott J. From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 11:51:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem Perform the "Slide Base Position Adjustment" - item 2.5 in the service manual. Willy On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:16 AM, c n wrote:  Please help me ! Have a Nakamichi RX-202, and have problem with play on side A of cassette holder, in "normal" play mode and reverse mode. Have a little movie with that problem in follow link:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCCO2XDVgo   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sjSW9FaItY   Any ideea somebody? Please?   Thank you and sorry for my poor english. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 07:07:14 2010 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:07:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <986240.45514.qm@web113801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:51 PM Perform the "Slide Base Position Adjustment" - item 2.5 in the service manual. Willy On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:16 AM, c n wrote:  Please help me ! Have a Nakamichi RX-202, and have problem with play on side A of cassette holder, in "normal" play mode and reverse mode. Have a little movie with that problem in follow link:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCCO2XDVgo   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sjSW9FaItY   Any ideea somebody? Please?   Thank you and sorry for my poor english. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 07:07:56 2010 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:07:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <279382.79391.qm@web113818.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you very much, your support is great gift for my Christmas !!! Is a good news for me !!! Thank you again ! --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:51 PM Perform the "Slide Base Position Adjustment" - item 2.5 in the service manual. Willy On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:16 AM, c n wrote:  Please help me ! Have a Nakamichi RX-202, and have problem with play on side A of cassette holder, in "normal" play mode and reverse mode. Have a little movie with that problem in follow link:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCCO2XDVgo   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sjSW9FaItY   Any ideea somebody? Please?   Thank you and sorry for my poor english. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Dec 16 09:12:40 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:12:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem In-Reply-To: <551025.35120.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8243.18891.qm@web113815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <551025.35120.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3eb804f3a63aa9c645dbe0a5f8f6fa22.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Yes Scott you're right, i screwed it up, now have to take it apart again... waiting for the right moment though... Christmas holidays! Anyway, did that belt change before finding your page with instructions, so next time i can do it right! Wouter > Your flip mechanism belt might need to be replaced.  If you already did > that > then you screwed up the alignment of the flip mechanism gears.  Use my > RX-series > flip belt replacement DIY.  > http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX-Series_Belt_Replacement.htm > > Scott J. > From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 15:45:18 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:45:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out In-Reply-To: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965D712CD6C@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> References: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965D712CD6C@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Message-ID: <259454.28699.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Phil, there is a large number of faults that would cause this and none is particularly prevalent. 'Corrosion on a contact' is possible (though, AFAIK, all contacts are gold plated), but so are a bad cap (or resistor or IC or transistor), a PCB hairline crack (or cold solder joint) or even a dirty pot (the latter sometimes caused by a leaking cap). IOW, this requires some good old troubleshooting and some tools of the trade. In general, I first measure the affected channel power supply rails. If all voltages are stable, I gingerly tap PCBs and components to see if the noise is related to mechanical vibration. I try to isolate general location by varying the tapping force. A freezing spray or heat gun may help and a signal tracer is often essential. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Philip Stone To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 6:40:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out Hello everyone, I have a bx-300 that the right channel has started crackling in and out and sometimes sounds poorly on that side. It does it with all tapes. After some time it will start working correctly and will sound fine. I was thinking that it must be corrosion on a contact? Any thought’s appreciated. Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 15:47:33 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:47:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck 1.5 quits playing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421256.8641.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This could also be a marginal reel motor or tape shut off circuit. -- Ron ________________________________ From: "gordonzo2 at shaw.ca" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 1:07:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck 1.5 quits playing... Hello, I'm new here, and I want to get my Cassette1.5 running properly again. It just quits as though the side was through, or the cassette is tight. I notice a little slack tape around the take up spool. So I guess it needs a new drive tire? I think this model is the same inside as a DR-2, but I can't be sure. They have the same features but different styling. Does anyone have a lead on sourcing a tire and such for the DR-2? Thanks in advance; Gordo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 10:12:49 2010 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:12:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem In-Reply-To: <001e01cb9c88$430e5850$c92b08f0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <843216.44333.qm@web113813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you very much, your support is great gift for my Christmas !!! Is a good news for me !!! Thank you again ! --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 8:45 PM It appears that you need to replace the belt.   Vic   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of c n Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Problem    Please help me ! Have a Nakamichi RX-202, and have problem with play on side A of cassette holder, in "normal" play mode and reverse mode. Have a little movie with that problem in follow link:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCCO2XDVgo   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sjSW9FaItY   Any ideea somebody? 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URL: From denis.che at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 17:25:31 2010 From: denis.che at gmail.com (Denis) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:25:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out In-Reply-To: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965D712CD6C@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> References: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965D712CD6C@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Message-ID: Hi Phil, Though it's hard to say for sure, quite possibly one or more of the electrolytic capacitors in the power supply is/are on the way out. When I got my Nak BX-300, it actually produced no sound in either channel, just loud popping, and, with volume turned up high, I could hear some hum. I opened her up and measured voltages on the power supply section of the main board, and they were way off the spec. Replacing all electrolytic caps in the power supply (there aren't many) fixed my problem. While this may not necessarily fix your problem, it's a good thing to do on a unit of this age anyway. Ron gave some great pointers, and his advice also helped me a lot in dealing with my BX-300. Denis On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Philip Stone wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I have a bx-300 that the right channel has started crackling in and out and > sometimes sounds poorly on that side. > > > > It does it with all tapes. After some time it will start working correctly > and will sound fine. > > > > I was thinking that it must be corrosion on a contact? > > > > Any thought’s appreciated. > > > > Phil > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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'Corrosion on a contact' is possible (though, AFAIK, all contacts are gold plated), but so are a bad cap (or resistor or IC or transistor), a PCB hairline crack (or cold solder joint) or even a dirty pot (the latter sometimes caused by a leaking cap). IOW, this requires some good old troubleshooting and some tools of the trade. In general, I first measure the affected channel power supply rails. If all voltages are stable, I gingerly tap PCBs and components to see if the noise is related to mechanical vibration. I try to isolate general location by varying the tapping force. A freezing spray or heat gun may help and a signal tracer is often essential. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Philip Stone To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 6:40:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out Hello everyone, I have a bx-300 that the right channel has started crackling in and out and sometimes sounds poorly on that side. 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Ron gave some great pointers, and his advice also helped me a lot in dealing with my BX-300. Denis On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Philip Stone wrote:   Hello everyone, I have a bx-300 that the right channel has started crackling in and out and sometimes sounds poorly on that side.  It does it with all tapes. 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URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 20:47:19 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:47:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <501271.13388.qm@web80601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone : I was just wondering if head wear could possibly cause a channel problem due to a wear groove forming on the playback head over the years. Some older tapes can have slight edge damage that could maybe trigger a channel problem when tracking on a wear groove. Maybe increasing the head height slightly on the playback head adjustment ( and then readjusting the azimuth afterwards ) might cure the channel problem. Any ideas on my theory ?     Thomas --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Denis wrote: From: Denis Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 11:25 AM Hi Phil, Though it's hard to say for sure, quite possibly one or more of the electrolytic capacitors in the power supply is/are on the way out.  When I got my Nak BX-300, it actually produced no sound in either channel, just loud popping, and, with volume turned up high, I could hear some hum.  I opened her up and measured voltages on the power supply section of the main board, and they were way off the spec.  Replacing all electrolytic caps in the power supply (there aren't many) fixed my problem.  While this may not necessarily fix your problem, it's a good thing to do on a unit of this age anyway. Ron gave some great pointers, and his advice also helped me a lot in dealing with my BX-300. Denis On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Philip Stone wrote:   Hello everyone,   I have a bx-300 that the right channel has started crackling in and out and sometimes sounds poorly on that side.   It does it with all tapes. 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URL: From Philip.Stone at imail.org Thu Dec 16 21:00:44 2010 From: Philip.Stone at imail.org (Philip Stone) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:00:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out In-Reply-To: References: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965D712CD6C@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965D71EC193@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Thank you so much. This is something I can definitely do and sounds like a good option anyway. I have replaced caps in most of the McIntosh gear I have and many other vintage pieces I collect. Thank you for the great suggestion. I will keep you posted. Thanks! Phil From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Denis Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:26 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out Hi Phil, Though it's hard to say for sure, quite possibly one or more of the electrolytic capacitors in the power supply is/are on the way out. When I got my Nak BX-300, it actually produced no sound in either channel, just loud popping, and, with volume turned up high, I could hear some hum. I opened her up and measured voltages on the power supply section of the main board, and they were way off the spec. Replacing all electrolytic caps in the power supply (there aren't many) fixed my problem. While this may not necessarily fix your problem, it's a good thing to do on a unit of this age anyway. Ron gave some great pointers, and his advice also helped me a lot in dealing with my BX-300. Denis On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Philip Stone > wrote: Hello everyone, I have a bx-300 that the right channel has started crackling in and out and sometimes sounds poorly on that side. It does it with all tapes. After some time it will start working correctly and will sound fine. I was thinking that it must be corrosion on a contact? Any thought's appreciated. Phil ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Philip.Stone at imail.org Thu Dec 16 22:03:47 2010 From: Philip.Stone at imail.org (Philip Stone) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:03:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out In-Reply-To: <565036.4314.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <565036.4314.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965D71EC279@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Thank you for this as well. I have never had to open this unit before so I am anxious to see what I find. Very good information from you all, it is sincerely appreciated. All I have ever had to do until now is change The tire on my rx202 which was very simple. Still need to get brave and try the tire change on my rx303. Phil From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:44 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out Power Supply is common to both the channels and so when there is problem to one channel check that channel from signal originating point till the output /or trace from out put to signal input point The issue is also possible from some capacitor ( most probably electrolytic in BX300 ) also check the Glue which had turned to brown on the PCB - which causes shorts in BX300 and MR 1specifically Remove the glue wherever you find on the PCB track side carefully without damaging connections - probably will cure such things you notice Kannan --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Denis wrote: From: Denis Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 right channel popping in and out To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 11:25 AM Hi Phil, Though it's hard to say for sure, quite possibly one or more of the electrolytic capacitors in the power supply is/are on the way out. When I got my Nak BX-300, it actually produced no sound in either channel, just loud popping, and, with volume turned up high, I could hear some hum. I opened her up and measured voltages on the power supply section of the main board, and they were way off the spec. Replacing all electrolytic caps in the power supply (there aren't many) fixed my problem. While this may not necessarily fix your problem, it's a good thing to do on a unit of this age anyway. Ron gave some great pointers, and his advice also helped me a lot in dealing with my BX-300. Denis On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Philip Stone > wrote: Hello everyone, I have a bx-300 that the right channel has started crackling in and out and sometimes sounds poorly on that side. It does it with all tapes. After some time it will start working correctly and will sound fine. I was thinking that it must be corrosion on a contact? Any thought’s appreciated. 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URL: From fred at marrscom.com Sat Dec 18 12:36:56 2010 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 05:36:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 12-18-10 HOLIDAY + MARRS BELTS & eBAY / PAYPAL Message-ID: <4D0C9CD8.6070802@marrscom.com> >> *12-18-10 * >> >> *MARRS BELTS & eBAY / PAYPAL* >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Hello All. The eBay Store is TEMPORARILY Closed for Year End >> Inventory and the Preparation of my Web Site Store. REMEMBER, Orders >> can still be placed Anytime by Sending email to: fred at marrscom.com >> Due to the Holiday, there is NO ship Time Guarantee ! >> >> I want to share a good example of why MOST of my Belt Kit listings >> will be removed from eBay, and Transferred to my Web Store. The steps >> Below were taken to Resolve a Delivery problem due to the eBay / >> PayPal resolution, " Time Limits " placed on their Buyers. They are a >> Absolute Pain in the Rear, so their Sellers must " Step to the Plate ". >> >> These are the Steps taken, to Resolve the problem for my eBay Customer. >> >> This is Only an example, of what eBay Sellers are forced to do, to >> maintain just DECENT, Feedback. >> >> 12-18-10 >> >> Hello Yves, >> >> I do understand your position. This situation is exactly why I am moving >> my belt business to my own web site. ( >> http//www.marrscommunications.com ) ( Down for Updating ) >> >> Due to the eBay PayPal claim " Time Limits " that are Forced on You, >> it makes resolving a problem dam near impossible. Mainly because of >> how long it takes the Postal Services to Deliver a package. >> >> I do want to point out a few things. Remember : >> >> 1. I started trying to contact you on 11-8-10, the Day After you >> placed your >> Order, to find out the Model number of your Machine. >> >> 2. I did NOT receive a reply from you UNTIL AFTER >> I received the Dispute from PayPal ! >> >> 3. I finally Received your model number on 12-7-10, and your order was >> Shipped that SAME DAY. >> >> 4. To Prove I am telling the Truth, I am going to Issue a Full Refund >> for your purchase. When you DO RECEIVE >> the Kit, you can repay me for Item. >> >> >> ( Refund transaction Refund >> ( Unique Transaction ID # 9V6045090U2335905 ) >> >> See related 5T850628NR436614P ORIGINAL PURCHASE >> >> >> Yves, NOW I am trusting YOU. >> >> Thanks again for your Business ! Fred M. * >> * >> >> IN CLOSING: >> >> >> IT IS A CONSTANT BATTLE WITH eBAY, and this is only 1 Example. >> >> In the Future keep this example in mind, when judging ANY >> >> Seller by their Feedback rating. They deserve a " Gold Star " just for >> >> Selling on eBay ! __ The ONLY THING eBay has going for it is TRAFFIC ! >> >> Fred M.* From laurenh at gmail.com Sat Dec 18 20:05:40 2010 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:05:40 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] 12-18-10 HOLIDAY + MARRS BELTS & eBAY / PAYPAL In-Reply-To: <4D0C9CD8.6070802@marrscom.com> References: <4D0C9CD8.6070802@marrscom.com> Message-ID: Wow. Good move, Fred. My wife gave up on ehBay before I met her, and I'm beginning to understand why. As soon as my LX-3 comes back from the shop and is healthy, I'll place an order with you directly. On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Fred Marrs wrote: > >>> *12-18-10 * >>> >>> *MARRS BELTS & eBAY / PAYPAL* >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *Hello All. The eBay Store is TEMPORARILY Closed for Year End Inventory >>> and the Preparation of my Web Site Store. REMEMBER, Orders can still be >>> placed Anytime by Sending email to: fred at marrscom.com >>> Due to the Holiday, there is NO ship Time Guarantee ! >>> >>> I want to share a good example of why MOST of my Belt Kit listings will >>> be removed from eBay, and Transferred to my Web Store. The steps Below were >>> taken to Resolve a Delivery problem due to the eBay / PayPal resolution, " >>> Time Limits " placed on their Buyers. They are a Absolute Pain in the Rear, >>> so their Sellers must " Step to the Plate ". >>> >>> These are the Steps taken, to Resolve the problem for my eBay Customer. >>> >>> This is Only an example, of what eBay Sellers are forced to do, to >>> maintain just DECENT, Feedback. >>> >>> 12-18-10 >>> >>> Hello Yves, >>> >>> I do understand your position. This situation is exactly why I am moving >>> my belt business to my own web site. ( http//www.marrscommunications.com >>> ) ( Down for Updating ) >>> >>> Due to the eBay PayPal claim " Time Limits " that are Forced on You, it >>> makes resolving a problem dam near impossible. Mainly because of how long it >>> takes the Postal Services to Deliver a package. >>> >>> I do want to point out a few things. Remember : >>> >>> 1. I started trying to contact you on 11-8-10, the Day After you placed >>> your >>> Order, to find out the Model number of your Machine. >>> >>> 2. I did NOT receive a reply from you UNTIL AFTER >>> I received the Dispute from PayPal ! >>> >>> 3. I finally Received your model number on 12-7-10, and your order was >>> Shipped that SAME DAY. >>> >>> 4. To Prove I am telling the Truth, I am going to Issue a Full Refund >>> for your purchase. When you DO RECEIVE >>> the Kit, you can repay me for Item. >>> >>> >>> ( Refund transaction Refund >>> ( Unique Transaction ID # 9V6045090U2335905 ) >>> >>> See related 5T850628NR436614P ORIGINAL PURCHASE >>> >>> >>> Yves, NOW I am trusting YOU. >>> >>> Thanks again for your Business ! Fred M. * >>> * >>> >>> IN CLOSING: >>> >>> >>> IT IS A CONSTANT BATTLE WITH eBAY, and this is only 1 Example. >>> >>> In the Future keep this example in mind, when judging ANY >>> >>> Seller by their Feedback rating. They deserve a " Gold Star " just for >>> >>> Selling on eBay ! __ The ONLY THING eBay has going for it is TRAFFIC ! >>> >>> Fred M.* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Dec 19 16:23:47 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:23:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NR-0056 CR-7/7A/7E/70 Modification of Record Eq. Amp. Circuit In-Reply-To: <001801cb9ea2$449ea7d0$cddbf770$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <001801cb9ea2$449ea7d0$cddbf770$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <487254.28742.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The best caps for the job are PP (polypropylene). Their drawback (nothing is perfect) is that they tend to be physically large. Even so, they can still fit if one is careful and does a quality job. In any case, correct layout is important, as the mod is in a circuit that's critical as far as hum and noise picks up are concerned. I used Panasonic ECQ-P series caps, available from Digi-Key. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 5:56:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] NR-0056 CR-7/7A/7E/70 Modification of Record Eq. Amp. Circuit Hi, I want to do this modification but i wonder what caps i have to order. Are the styroflex caps always the best choice soundwise? Or are there better caps? Something like these? http://cgi.ebay.de/16-Styroflex-Kondensatoren-3-3-nF-/130464768548?pt=Bauteile&hash=item1e604e6224 Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Sun Dec 19 22:09:42 2010 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:09:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 II for sale - needs work. In-Reply-To: <201012191117.oBJB8N4N007925@zxe.naks.com> References: <201012191117.oBJB8N4N007925@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0LDP002871G44B30@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> I have a Nakamichi 1000 II in beautiful cosmetic condition. Front panel looks like new and the walnut case is nearly perfect. Mechanically it works fine but the electronics need servicing. It records nicely and meter works on the left channel. Does not record on the right. Meter does not move. Plays weakly with some noise on the right. No playback on the left. Right channel meter is good. Servicing this unit is a relatively simple affair - the preamps and bias circuit are easily accessible plug-in cards. It probably requires the change of a transistor or two and replacement of some caps. The cost of parts is actually very low. A service manual would be useful but not essential. Offering it for sale to to Nak bunch - before it goes to the dock of eBay. Any offers? Pick up in NYC, otherwise I'll ship by USPS Weight is about 40 lbs., so figure that in. Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems, New York City http://marc.stager.com/ tel: 212-595-4065 cel: 212-675-6000 From laurenh at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 02:15:51 2010 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:15:51 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 II for sale - needs work. In-Reply-To: <0LDP002871G44B30@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <201012191117.oBJB8N4N007925@zxe.naks.com> <0LDP002871G44B30@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I don't have the time or resources to give a 1000 the love it needs. I just want to register a hearty groan at "the dock of eBay." On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Marc Stager wrote: > I have a Nakamichi 1000 II in beautiful cosmetic condition. > Front panel looks like new and the walnut case is nearly perfect. > > Mechanically it works fine but the electronics need servicing. > It records nicely and meter works on the left channel. > Does not record on the right. Meter does not move. > Plays weakly with some noise on the right. > No playback on the left. Right channel meter is good. > > Servicing this unit is a relatively simple affair - the preamps and > bias circuit are easily accessible plug-in cards. It probably > requires the change of a transistor or two and replacement of > some caps. The cost of parts is actually very low. A service > manual would be useful but not essential. > > Offering it for sale to to Nak bunch - before it goes to the dock > of  eBay. Any offers? > > Pick up in NYC, otherwise I'll ship by USPS > Weight is about 40 lbs., so figure that in. > > Marc Stager > ) )  )    )       )              ) > Stager Sound Systems, > New York City > http://marc.stager.com/ > tel:  212-595-4065 > cel: 212-675-6000 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jeruff at yahoo.com Wed Dec 22 15:11:46 2010 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:11:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 250 power cord Message-ID: <370255.95470.qm@web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Greetings fellow Nakkers and Nakees,   I just found a 250 sans power cord.  I would imagine this has been covered before, but what's the deal?  Is there a replacement cord to be found?  Is there a substitute?  Also, what are the general opinions of the sound of this little guy?  Thank you everyone and happy holidays. 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URL: From jpmoss2 at netzero.com Thu Dec 23 02:13:55 2010 From: jpmoss2 at netzero.com (jim phillips) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:13:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 250 power cord In-Reply-To: <370255.95470.qm@web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <370255.95470.qm@web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have a few of these they are built like tanks and sound real good. I use mine in my vintage cars with the powered ads 2002 speakers. I > >I just found a 250 sans power cord. I would imagine this has been >covered before, but what's the deal? Is there a replacement cord to >be found? Is there a substitute? Also, what are the general >opinions of the sound of this little guy? >Thank you everyone and happy holidays. >Jesse > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Rates at 2.8% $160,000 Mortgage $434/mo. No Hidden Fees- 3.1% APR! Get a Free Quote http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d12a2534975087e142st04vuc From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Dec 23 16:45:59 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:45:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record In-Reply-To: <826068.96909.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <826068.96909.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil. Change them anyway even if they're OK. Willy On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > My LX-5 lost it's recording. What is the best way to determine if the > problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit? During recording, in > the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear > light static and an occasional crackle. > This problem happened instantly. The deck was recording and stopped with > the above symptoms. Playback is still fine. Any opinions? > Thanks, Bob N > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Thu Dec 23 18:33:20 2010 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:33:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL wooden case Message-ID: <001e01cba2c7$7e632710$7b297530$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi all, I wonder if the Nakamichi 1000 ZXL original delivered with one type of wooden case or was it possible for a customer to choose different types of wood. When looking on the internet to pictures of the 1000ZXL some cases look much darker then other ones. I guess that there isn't a black metal case for this deck? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patty at jbrudy.com Thu Dec 23 19:25:44 2010 From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:25:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL wooden case In-Reply-To: <001e01cba2c7$7e632710$7b297530$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <001e01cba2c7$7e632710$7b297530$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <02129CCC17A641A38C95D57009EE87DA@UserPC> THERE WAS 2 TYPES. ONE HAD CHERRY WOOD. NOT SURE WHAT THE REAL NAME WAS BUT WHEN I WORKED THERE FOR MANY YEARS I CLEANED MY SHARE. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL wooden case Hi all, I wonder if the Nakamichi 1000 ZXL original delivered with one type of wooden case or was it possible for a customer to choose different types of wood. When looking on the internet to pictures of the 1000ZXL some cases look much darker then other ones. I guess that there isn't a black metal case for this deck? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Dec 23 19:47:23 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:47:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL wooden case In-Reply-To: <02129CCC17A641A38C95D57009EE87DA@UserPC> References: <001e01cba2c7$7e632710$7b297530$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <02129CCC17A641A38C95D57009EE87DA@UserPC> Message-ID: <179077.47512.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recall I saw one with Piano Wood finish but I am not sure whether this is offical Nakamichi release or it is a custom made wooden case. I did not inspect the back of the case at that time.   ________________________________ From: Patty To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 12:25:44 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL wooden case THERE WAS 2 TYPES. ONE HAD CHERRY WOOD.  NOT SURE WHAT THE REAL NAME WAS BUT WHEN I WORKED THERE FOR MANY YEARS I CLEANED MY SHARE.   ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL wooden case   Hi all,   I wonder if the Nakamichi 1000 ZXL original delivered with one type of wooden case or was it possible for a customer to choose different types of wood. When looking on the internet to pictures of the 1000ZXL some cases look much darker then other ones. I guess that there isn’t a black metal case for this deck?   Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ONE HAD CHERRY WOOD.  NOT SURE WHAT THE REAL NAME WAS BUT > WHEN I WORKED THERE FOR MANY YEARS I CLEANED MY SHARE. > > > ________________________________ > > From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of > Norman van Wijnen > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:33 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL wooden case > > Hi all, > > I wonder if the Nakamichi 1000 ZXL original delivered with one type of > wooden > case or was it possible for a customer to choose different types of wood. > When > looking on the internet to pictures of the 1000ZXL some cases look much > darker > then other ones. > I guess that there isn’t a black metal case for this deck? > > Regards Norman From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 23 21:14:35 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:14:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <68192.43036.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Willy.  Would I have to do another bias adjustment after wards?  Any type of cap OK? Bob N --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil.  Change them anyway even if they're OK.Willy On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: My LX-5 lost it's recording.  What is the best way to determine if the problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit?  During recording, in the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear light static and an occasional crackle. This problem happened instantly.  The deck was recording and stopped with the above symptoms.  Playback is still fine.  Any opinions? 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Any > type of cap OK? > Bob N > > --- On *Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann *wrote: > > > From: Willy Hermann > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM > > > First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil. > Change them anyway even if they're OK. > Willy > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor > > wrote: > > My LX-5 lost it's recording. What is the best way to determine if the > problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit? During recording, in > the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear > light static and an occasional crackle. > This problem happened instantly. The deck was recording and stopped with > the above symptoms. Playback is still fine. Any opinions? > Thanks, Bob N > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob N --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil.  Change them anyway even if they're OK.Willy On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: My LX-5 lost it's recording.  What is the best way to determine if the problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit?  During recording, in the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear light static and an occasional crackle. This problem happened instantly.  The deck was recording and stopped with the above symptoms.  Playback is still fine.  Any opinions? 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URL: From gregorybotha at me.com Sun Dec 26 12:52:27 2010 From: gregorybotha at me.com (Gregory Botha) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:52:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Message-ID: Hi All, This is my first post on this forum. I've recently acquired a Nakamichi 700-ZXL, my first Nakamichi. I've got the manual and read it from front to back but cannot seem to find out if I need to do the Azimuth Alignment when playing back a tape or is it only for the calibration of a tape as part of the record function. If so, how does it calibrate the Azimuth for a tape that has been recorded on another deck? Can anyone help? Thanks, Greg From lenaw at flash.net Sun Dec 26 14:53:35 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 05:53:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <332784.65073.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Greg:              The 700ZXL cannot perform playback azimuth calibration on tapes recorded on other decks ( not even the 1000ZXL ), Only the DRAGON, CR-7 and Cassette-Deck-1 can peform playback azimuth calibration on pre-recorded tapes made by other decks.              How is your 700ZXL sounds so far? Hope this help, Mike ________________________________ From: Gregory Botha To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 5:52:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Hi All, This is my first post on this forum. I've recently acquired a Nakamichi 700-ZXL, my first Nakamichi. I've got the manual and read it from front to back but cannot seem to find out if I need to do the Azimuth Alignment when playing back a tape or is it only for the calibration of a tape as part of the record function. If so, how does it calibrate the Azimuth for a tape that has been recorded on another deck? Can anyone help? Thanks, Greg ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 20:36:03 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:36:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Azimuth alignment is best done using a test tape. Though traditionally one adjusts it for maximum high-frequency response, psycho-acoustically speaking, phase coherence in the upper-midrange/low-treble (e.g. around 6kHz) is more important because it affects *imaging.* You will find a subtle difference in the alignment position for maximum phase coherence at around 6kHz and maximum composite frequency response. A very good ear can detect the imaging difference. I use a dual-trace oscilloscope. NOTE: Acquire a set of jeweler's screwdrivers and sub-miniature hexnut-drivers. These will allow you align a wide gamut of cassette decks. Also, get a bulk tape eraser to keep these tools free of magnetism. Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Gregory Botha wrote: > Hi All, > > This is my first post on this forum. I've recently acquired a Nakamichi > 700-ZXL, my first Nakamichi. I've got the manual and read it from front to > back but cannot seem to find out if I need to do the Azimuth Alignment when > playing back a tape or is it only for the calibration of a tape as part of > the record function. If so, how does it calibrate the Azimuth for a tape > that has been recorded on another deck? Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > > Greg > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 03:17:26 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 18:17:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <617643.21641.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greg, There are azimuth alignment for the record and playback heads, and these serve completely different functions. Fred's mail below refers to azimuth alignment performed to the playback head. This is performed as part of calibrating the deck; with the 700ZXL, you can't change this 'on-the-fly' while playing a tape. The only decks designed to this are the Dragon (automatically) and the CR-7 (manually). The auto calibration bit for this deck involves the record head- the deck is able to automatically set the record head azimuth to match the preset playback head azimuth. Having said that, Fred's procedure also outlines an important point which significantly impacts the performance of the cassette deck. Emphasis on phase coherence will show why the performance of the ZXL decks is a cut above the rest; it will also show why if Nak's lower end decks are still better then the top of the line units from other brands. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 3:36:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Azimuth alignment is best done using a test tape. Though traditionally one adjusts it for maximum high-frequency response, psycho-acoustically speaking, phase coherence in the upper-midrange/low-treble (e.g. around 6kHz) is more important because it affects imaging. You will find a subtle difference in the alignment position for maximum phase coherence at around 6kHz and maximum composite frequency response. A very good ear can detect the imaging difference. I use a dual-trace oscilloscope. NOTE: Acquire a set of jeweler's screwdrivers and sub-miniature hexnut-drivers. These will allow you align a wide gamut of cassette decks. Also, get a bulk tape eraser to keep these tools free of magnetism. Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Gregory Botha wrote: Hi All, > >This is my first post on this forum. I've recently acquired a Nakamichi 700-ZXL, >my first Nakamichi. I've got the manual and read it from front to back but >cannot seem to find out if I need to do the Azimuth Alignment when playing back >a tape or is it only for the calibration of a tape as part of the record >function. If so, how does it calibrate the Azimuth for a tape that has been >recorded on another deck? Can anyone help? > >Thanks, > >Greg >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The 700-ZXL is truly amazing. Makes all my tapes sound even better. I took some pictures of it when I was giving it a good clean / once over to check the belts and pitch rollers. Have a look here http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157625525369721/. It's in really great condition, quite a complicated machine compared to my Sony TC-K990ES and enormous :-D. Cheers, Greg Sent from my iPad On 27 Dec 2010, at 13:34, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Nakamichi 700-ZXL (Gregory Botha) > 2. Re: Nakamichi 700-ZXL (LENA WONG) > 3. Re: Nakamichi 700-ZXL (Fred Longworth) > 4. Re: Nakamichi 700-ZXL (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 5. Nice link (Norman van Wijnen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:52:27 +0200 > From: Gregory Botha > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi All, > > This is my first post on this forum. I've recently acquired a Nakamichi 700-ZXL, my first Nakamichi. I've got the manual and read it from front to back but cannot seem to find out if I need to do the Azimuth Alignment when playing back a tape or is it only for the calibration of a tape as part of the record function. If so, how does it calibrate the Azimuth for a tape that has been recorded on another deck? Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 05:53:35 -0800 (PST) > From: LENA WONG > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <332784.65073.qm at web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Greg: > The 700ZXL cannot perform playback azimuth calibration on tapes > recorded on other decks ( not even the 1000ZXL ), Only the DRAGON, CR-7 and > Cassette-Deck-1 can peform playback azimuth calibration on pre-recorded tapes > made by other decks. > > How is your 700ZXL sounds so far? > > > Hope this help, > Mike > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Gregory Botha > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 5:52:27 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL > > Hi All, > > This is my first post on this forum. I've recently acquired a Nakamichi 700-ZXL, > my first Nakamichi. I've got the manual and read it from front to back but > cannot seem to find out if I need to do the Azimuth Alignment when playing back > a tape or is it only for the calibration of a tape as part of the record > function. If so, how does it calibrate the Azimuth for a tape that has been > recorded on another deck? Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > > Greg > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101226/c9e62575/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:36:03 -0800 > From: Fred Longworth > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Azimuth alignment is best done using a test tape. > > Though traditionally one adjusts it for maximum high-frequency response, > psycho-acoustically speaking, phase coherence in the > upper-midrange/low-treble (e.g. around 6kHz) is more important because it > affects *imaging.* You will find a subtle difference in the alignment > position for maximum phase coherence at around 6kHz and maximum composite > frequency response. A very good ear can detect the imaging difference. I use > a dual-trace oscilloscope. > > NOTE: Acquire a set of jeweler's screwdrivers and sub-miniature > hexnut-drivers. These will allow you align a wide gamut of cassette decks. > Also, get a bulk tape eraser to keep these tools free of magnetism. > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Gregory Botha wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> This is my first post on this forum. I've recently acquired a Nakamichi >> 700-ZXL, my first Nakamichi. I've got the manual and read it from front to >> back but cannot seem to find out if I need to do the Azimuth Alignment when >> playing back a tape or is it only for the calibration of a tape as part of >> the record function. If so, how does it calibrate the Azimuth for a tape >> that has been recorded on another deck? Can anyone help? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Greg >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101226/22ae514b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 18:17:26 -0800 (PST) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <617643.21641.qm at web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Greg, > > There are azimuth alignment for the record and playback heads, and these serve > completely different functions. > > > Fred's mail below refers to azimuth alignment performed to the playback head. > This is performed as part of calibrating the deck; with the 700ZXL, you can't > change this 'on-the-fly' while playing a tape. The only decks designed to this > are the Dragon (automatically) and the CR-7 (manually). The auto calibration bit > for this deck involves the record head- the deck is able to automatically set > the record head azimuth to match the preset playback head azimuth. > > > Having said that, Fred's procedure also outlines an important point which > significantly impacts the performance of the cassette deck. Emphasis on phase > coherence will show why the performance of the ZXL decks is a cut above the > rest; it will also show why if Nak's lower end decks are still better then the > top of the line units from other brands. > > > Regards, > Bala > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Fred Longworth > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 3:36:03 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL > > Azimuth alignment is best done using a test tape. > > Though traditionally one adjusts it for maximum high-frequency response, > psycho-acoustically speaking, phase coherence in the upper-midrange/low-treble > (e.g. around 6kHz) is more important because it affects imaging. You will find a > subtle difference in the alignment position for maximum phase coherence at > around 6kHz and maximum composite frequency response. A very good ear can detect > the imaging difference. I use a dual-trace oscilloscope. > > NOTE: Acquire a set of jeweler's screwdrivers and sub-miniature hexnut-drivers. > These will allow you align a wide gamut of cassette decks. Also, get a bulk tape > eraser to keep these tools free of magnetism. > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > > > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Gregory Botha wrote: > > Hi All, >> >> This is my first post on this forum. I've recently acquired a Nakamichi 700-ZXL, >> my first Nakamichi. I've got the manual and read it from front to back but >> cannot seem to find out if I need to do the Azimuth Alignment when playing back >> a tape or is it only for the calibration of a tape as part of the record >> function. If so, how does it calibrate the Azimuth for a tape that has been >> recorded on another deck? Can anyone help? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Greg >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101226/77717fea/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:36:56 +0100 > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > Subject: [naktalk] Nice link > To: > Message-ID: <000301cba5b1$fc503360$f4f09a20$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, > > > > For all who wants to know about types of Nakamichi tapes. > > > > http://www.c-90.org/catalogue/tapes/Nakamichi > > > > Regards Norman > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101227/2008640b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 24 > *************************************** From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 02:29:52 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:29:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year & Thank You Naktalk Message-ID: Hi Fellow Naktalkers! Happy New Year and a really big Thank You to Naktalk! I must confess, I'd been wanting to leave some messages and respond to those of you who asked my opinions of things like Naks versus DATs and so on, but I got intimidated by my own inexperience. When I started as an intern in Kermit's studio, we interns were warned that audio can be really confusing to learn, so just brace ourselves for that moment where we feel overwhelmed and think we can't ever unravel it all. Well, that happened to me and I kind of get shy and shut up when I start feeling overwhelmed. But everyone at the studio has been really supportive and I especially want to thank those of you on Naktalk who have been encouraging and who have taken the time to write to me explaining things. Being a lurker here is a great education too! When I first joined the group I admit I sort of thought all you guys who own several cassette decks were a bit crazy, but now I understand and I admit I have been bit by the analog bug. I think I'll decorate my apartment with tape decks and turntables, a sort of art d'analog motif. Most Fridays here in the studio we have "listening parties" so that we interns get the chance to hear all sorts of audio equipment and learn the pros and cons of all sorts of gear. Over the past several months I've gotten to hear a lot of different Nakamichis as well as a lot of other analog and digital recorders, new and vintage. It's a great learning experience and a lot of fun too! I can't listen to MP3s on my iPhone anymore. It sounds awful. Comments you've all made about the sound of different models of Nak have been helpful to, especially because I'm getting the chance to hear them and get to compare my reactions to those of all of you. Is that phrased badly? Sorry, having a blonde moment. -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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It's been frustrating because I got out of college and started an internship with one studio wanting to learn audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The first studio went bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance to learn anything because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the studio duck bill collectors and angry clients. The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and its big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his interns anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off for cables or coffee or to do website updates and such. He would sit around and rag on audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone who owned a cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names he'd use here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound (records or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen to noise and distortion instead of music. I found out that all he wanted of us female interns was what he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who look like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard from some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and 1980s was starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they would be looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort of legend and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I applied for an internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I did, because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play guitar, so that was a big help. Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), and the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape decks and cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in fact, apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring those models. I groaned inside! Cassettes! Really? I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio engineer said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, here it was the first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be able to make some recordings. But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike setup called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll confess I almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and they're dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other interns got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held myself together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was going to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even if I got stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550 sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next day, during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about audio, and among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. Plus one of my first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk was also recommended as a place to stop by and mention the album. By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got sized up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who kerit felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. The guys who got dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: Which Nak did I get? It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't impressed with the B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, although the Yamaha TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. Listen to me, she talks like a real connoisseur! Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because of two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it fixed here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those eBay "it lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't record, and the flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed by people wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured that must be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the Revox didn't work, either. Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it and so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and the thing that beeps with the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going overactive again. An awesome learning experience, I never knew there was so much crammed into a tape deck. Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and the PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a whole lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours to fix both decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape deck's mike amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. Eventually, though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make room for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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You have to read through my "How I Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought I'd own a cassette deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating because I got out of college and started an internship with one studio wanting to learn audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The first studio went bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance to learn anything because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the studio duck bill collectors and angry clients. The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and its big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his interns anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off for cables or coffee or to do website updates and such. He would sit around and rag on audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone who owned a cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names he'd use here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound (records or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen to noise and distortion instead of music. I found out that all he wanted of us female interns was what he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who look like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard from some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and 1980s was starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they would be looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort of legend and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I applied for an internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I did, because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play guitar, so that was a big help. Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), and the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape decks and cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in fact, apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring those models. I groaned inside! Cassettes! Really? I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio engineer said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, here it was the first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be able to make some recordings. But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike setup called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll confess I almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and they're dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other interns got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held myself together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was going to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even if I got stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550 sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next day, during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about audio, and among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. Plus one of my first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk was also recommended as a place to stop by and mention the album. By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got sized up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who kerit felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. The guys who got dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: Which Nak did I get? It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't impressed with the B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, although the Yamaha TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. Listen to me, she talks like a real connoisseur! Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because of two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it fixed here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those eBay "it lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't record, and the flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed by people wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured that must be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the Revox didn't work, either. Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it and so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and the thing that beeps with the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going overactive again. An awesome learning experience, I never knew there was so much crammed into a tape deck. Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and the PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a whole lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours to fix both decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape deck's mike amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. Eventually, though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make room for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 15:56:11 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 06:56:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> Message-ID: <749634.93604.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2... These two are fairly different, Julie. The BX-2 is an 'entry level' deck, with no pretension to either super sound quality or high end features. The MR-1 is a better deck (3 head, off tape monitoring, dual capstan, tape lifter, etc., etc.). Sonic character of the MR-1 tends to 'cool', 'analytical', 'accurate', as opposed to, say, the Dragon 'warm' sound`. > I want a CR-7 next... If you didn't like the MR-1 (or for the same sounding bx-300) you may wish to audition CR-7 again. While better sounding than the MR-1 (but not by a whole lot) and laden with high-end features (most notably, adjustable PB azimuth and auto record calibration) sound character is similar to the MR-1. I love it -- which is why I own one -- but I know that some do not. Just as some enjoy LPs while others prefer CDs. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Dennis Orr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi Great stories, Julie! Where abouts are you guys located? I can't see an address on the studio's website. ----- Original Message ----- >From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM >Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > >Hi Fellow Naktalkers! > >I'm celebrating! > >I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, and my >first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, and I >have a feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon as I've >finished my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to read >through my "How I Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought >I'd own a cassette deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. > > >You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating >because I got out of college and started an internship with one studio >wanting to learn audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The >first studio went bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance to >learn anything because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the >studio duck bill collectors and angry clients. > > >The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and its >big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his interns >anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off for >cables or coffee or to do website updates and such. He would sit around and >rag on audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone who >owned a cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names he'd use >here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound (records >or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen to >noise and distortion instead of music. I found out that all he wanted of us >female interns was what he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. > > >I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who look >like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard from >some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and 1980s >was starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they would >be looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort of >legend and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I applied >for an internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn >something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I did, >because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play >guitar, so that was a big help. > > >Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), and >the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape decks and >cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in >fact, apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring those >models. I groaned inside! Cassettes! Really? > > >I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio engineer >said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first >assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, >here it was the first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be >able to make some recordings. > > >But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike setup >called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a >Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll confess I >almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and they're >dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other interns >got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held myself >together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was going >to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even if I >got stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. > > >Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550 >sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to >take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next >day, during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about >audio, and among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. >Plus one of my first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk >was also recommended as a place to stop by and mention the album. > > >By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got sized >up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who kerit >felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. The >guys who got dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! > > >OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: > >Which Nak did I get? > >It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi >Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't >really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't >impressed with the B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the >Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, >although the Yamaha TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. >Listen to me, she talks like a real connoisseur! > > >Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because of >two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it fixed >here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those eBay "it >lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't record, and >the flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a Revox A77 >Dolby Mk. III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed by >people wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because >Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured that must >be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the Revox >didn't work, either. > > >Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my >Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us >interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the >recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it and >so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and the >thing that beeps with the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going >overactive again. An awesome learning experience, I never knew there was so >much crammed into a tape deck. > > >Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and the >PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a whole >lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours to >fix both decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape >deck's mike amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. > > >I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. Eventually, >though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make room >for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ________________________________ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregorybotha at me.com Wed Dec 29 18:51:17 2010 From: gregorybotha at me.com (Gregory Botha) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:51:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Background Noise Message-ID: Hi, I hear this background noise when playing a blank part of a tape. It's a combination of a humming / buzzing sound combined with a high pitched sound. It also seems to amplify when recordings are made on the 700-ZXL. I made a quick MP3 of this sound, the first part of the MP3 is the leader tape and then you'll hear when the recording starts as this sound doubles. I initially though it may be the bias circuit but the sound is still there (although rather faint) when playing back tapes that were recorded on another deck, so perhaps something to do with the motor circuit. It can only be heard in the blank sections of a tape, so it's not really a problem, but I would like to fix it if I can. Follow the link https://public.me.com/gregorybotha and download the MP3 file in the folder "Nakamichi 700-ZXL". Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Greg From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 20:17:15 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:17:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Background Noise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <940862.89261.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Tone Oscillator ( for Auto calibration ) is getting turned on and gets leaked to the playback circuit / or possible connector issue between the daughter boards and the main circuit board First try removing the daughter boards ( after removing power as well as removing the holding plate on top - right hand side of the deck when you face the front of 700ZXL) - clean the interior with air /clean the board connectors Insert these daughter boards ( there are four and note the direction of these boards when you remove them from the connector socket/ also note which one is whic and the connectors etc) check whether your noise go away Also check play back board - needs servicing by trained tech if you are electronically challenged Kannan --- On Wed, 12/29/10, Gregory Botha wrote: > From: Gregory Botha > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Background Noise > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 12:51 PM > Hi, > > I hear this background noise when playing a blank part of a > tape. It's a combination of a humming / buzzing sound > combined with a high pitched sound. It also seems to amplify > when recordings are made on the 700-ZXL. I made a quick MP3 > of this sound, the first part of the MP3 is the leader tape > and then you'll hear when the recording starts as this sound > doubles. I initially though it may be the bias circuit but > the sound is still there (although rather faint) when > playing back tapes that were recorded on another deck, so > perhaps something to do with the motor circuit. It can only > be heard in the blank sections of a tape, so it's not really > a problem, but I would like to fix it if I can. Follow the > link https://public.me.com/gregorybotha and > download the MP3 file in the folder "Nakamichi 700-ZXL". > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Greg > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mech986 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 29 22:07:49 2010 From: mech986 at yahoo.com (Bart) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:07:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> Message-ID: <280968.87581.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.kvglabs.com/contact.html phone number only. Here's the info they post: The studio is available by appointment only and is not open to walk-in public because of the security and creative privacy needs of our musicians. Studio address is made available only once an appointment is arranged. This policy is for the privacy and security of the artists. Regards, Bart ________________________________ From: Dennis Orr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi Great stories, Julie! Where abouts are you guys located? I can't see an address on the studio's website. ----- Original Message ----- >From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM >Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > >Hi Fellow Naktalkers! > >I'm celebrating! > >I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, and my >first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, and I >have a feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon as I've >finished my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to read >through my "How I Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought >I'd own a cassette deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. > > >You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating >because I got out of college and started an internship with one studio >wanting to learn audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The >first studio went bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance to >learn anything because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the >studio duck bill collectors and angry clients. > > >The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and its >big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his interns >anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off for >cables or coffee or to do website updates and such. He would sit around and >rag on audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone who >owned a cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names he'd use >here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound (records >or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen to >noise and distortion instead of music. I found out that all he wanted of us >female interns was what he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. > > >I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who look >like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard from >some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and 1980s >was starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they would >be looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort of >legend and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I applied >for an internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn >something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I did, >because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play >guitar, so that was a big help. > > >Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), and >the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape decks and >cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in >fact, apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring those >models. I groaned inside! Cassettes! Really? > > >I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio engineer >said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first >assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, >here it was the first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be >able to make some recordings. > > >But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike setup >called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a >Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll confess I >almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and they're >dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other interns >got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held myself >together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was going >to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even if I >got stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. > > >Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550 >sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to >take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next >day, during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about >audio, and among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. >Plus one of my first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk >was also recommended as a place to stop by and mention the album. > > >By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got sized >up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who kerit >felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. The >guys who got dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! > > >OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: > >Which Nak did I get? > >It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi >Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't >really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't >impressed with the B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the >Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, >although the Yamaha TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. >Listen to me, she talks like a real connoisseur! > > >Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because of >two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it fixed >here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those eBay "it >lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't record, and >the flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a Revox A77 >Dolby Mk. III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed by >people wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because >Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured that must >be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the Revox >didn't work, either. > > >Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my >Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us >interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the >recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it and >so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and the >thing that beeps with the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going >overactive again. An awesome learning experience, I never knew there was so >much crammed into a tape deck. > > >Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and the >PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a whole >lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours to >fix both decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape >deck's mike amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. > > >I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. Eventually, >though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make room >for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ________________________________ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 23:27:02 2010 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:27:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <280968.87581.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> <280968.87581.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: all info is classified... On 12/29/10, Bart wrote: > http://www.kvglabs.com/contact.html > > phone number only. > > Here's the info they post: > > The studio is available by appointment only and is not open to > walk-in > public because of the security and creative privacy needs of our > musicians. Studio address is made available only once an appointment > is > arranged. This policy is for the privacy and security of the > artists. > > > Regards, > > Bart > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis Orr > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > > > Great stories, Julie! Where abouts are you guys located? I can't see an > address on the studio's website. > ----- Original Message ----- >>From: Julie Kessler >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM >>Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi >> >>Hi Fellow Naktalkers! >> >>I'm celebrating! >> >>I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, >> and my >>first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, and >> I >>have a feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon as >> I've >>finished my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to >> read >>through my "How I Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never >> thought >>I'd own a cassette deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. >> >> >>You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating >>because I got out of college and started an internship with one studio >>wanting to learn audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. >> The >>first studio went bankrupt during my internship and I never got the >> chance to >>learn anything because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the >>studio duck bill collectors and angry clients. >> >> >>The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor >> and its >>big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his >> interns >>anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off >> for >>cables or coffee or to do website updates and such. He would sit >> around and >>rag on audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone >> who >>owned a cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names >> he'd use >>here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound >> (records >>or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen >> to >>noise and distortion instead of music. I found out that all he wanted of >> us >>female interns was what he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. >> >> >>I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who >> look >>like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard >> from >>some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and >> 1980s >>was starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they >> would >>be looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort >> of >>legend and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I >> applied >>for an internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn >>something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I >> did, >>because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play >>guitar, so that was a big help. >> >> >>Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), >> and >>the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape >> decks and >>cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in >> >>fact, apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring >> those >>models. I groaned inside! Cassettes! Really? >> >> >>I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio >> engineer >>said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first >>assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That really excited >> me, >>here it was the first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and >> be >>able to make some recordings. >> >> >>But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike >> setup >>called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a >>Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll >> confess I >>almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and >> they're >>dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other >> interns >>got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held >> myself >>together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was >> going >>to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even if >> I >>got stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. >> >> >>Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550 >> >>sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really >> going to >>take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The >> next >>day, during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about >> >>audio, and among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended >> stop. >>Plus one of my first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and >> Naktalk >>was also recommended as a place to stop by and mention the album. >> >> >>By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got >> sized >>up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who >> kerit >>felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. >> The >>guys who got dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! >> >> >>OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: >> >>Which Nak did I get? >> >>It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi >>Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I >> didn't >>really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't >> >>impressed with the B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the >>Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, >> >>although the Yamaha TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. >>Listen to me, she talks like a real connoisseur! >> >> >>Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette >> because of >>two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it >> fixed >>here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those >> eBay "it >>lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't record, >> and >>the flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a Revox >> A77 >>Dolby Mk. III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed >> by >>people wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because >>Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured that >> must >>be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the >> Revox >>didn't work, either. >> >> >>Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my >>Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us >>interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the >>recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix >> it and >>so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and >> the >>thing that beeps with the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going >> >>overactive again. An awesome learning experience, I never knew there was >> so >>much crammed into a tape deck. >> >> >>Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and >> the >>PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a >> whole >>lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours >> to >>fix both decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape >> >>deck's mike amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. >> >> >>I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. >> Eventually, >>though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make >> room >>for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. >> >> >>-- >>-- Julie Kessler >>juliek at kvglabs.com >>Artist Development Executive >>KVG Laboratories >>I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >>http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> > ________________________________ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Wed Dec 29 22:53:34 2010 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:53:34 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 belt replacement Message-ID: <4D1BADDE.3000309@paradise.net.nz> Hi I have a set of replacement belts for my CR-7. Is there a set of instructions for doing this? Or is it best avoided by the amateur? Thanks Brett From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Wed Dec 29 23:03:27 2010 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:03:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <280968.87581.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> <280968.87581.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sounds like paranoia to me LOL But the area code gives me a general area, which is all I really wondered about anyhow. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 02:42:44 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:42:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> <280968.87581.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Dennis, We're in Kansas, near the Kansas City metropolitan area. You must understand that the studio is only part of the company and is often used to develop and test new equipment designs that will end up being the subject of patents. And musicians really do enjoy knowing they can go somewhere private and secluded, just kick back and create. So, actually, it's not paranoia. But the drawbridge and the moat stocked with piranhas is paranoia. On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Dennis Orr wrote: > Sounds like paranoia to me LOL But the area code gives me a general area, > which is all I really wondered about anyhow. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 02:43:16 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:43:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> <280968.87581.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Psst, don't tell anyone! On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:27 PM, MD wrote: > all info is classified... > > On 12/29/10, Bart wrote: > > http://www.kvglabs.com/contact.html > > > > phone number only. > > > > Here's the info they post: > > > > The studio is available by appointment only and is not open to > > walk-in > > public because of the security and creative privacy needs of our > > musicians. Studio address is made available only once an > appointment > > is > > arranged. This policy is for the privacy and security of the > > artists. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Bart > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Dennis Orr > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > > > > > > Great stories, Julie! Where abouts are you guys located? I can't see > an > > address on the studio's website. > > ----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Julie Kessler > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM > >>Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > >> > >>Hi Fellow Naktalkers! > >> > >>I'm celebrating! > >> > >>I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, > >> and my > >>first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, > and > >> I > >>have a feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon > as > >> I've > >>finished my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to > >> read > >>through my "How I Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never > >> thought > >>I'd own a cassette deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. > >> > >> > >>You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been > frustrating > >>because I got out of college and started an internship with one studio > >>wanting to learn audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. > >> The > >>first studio went bankrupt during my internship and I never got the > >> chance to > >>learn anything because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help > the > >>studio duck bill collectors and angry clients. > >> > >> > >>The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor > >> and its > >>big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his > >> interns > >>anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off > >> for > >>cables or coffee or to do website updates and such. He would sit > >> around and > >>rag on audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone > >> who > >>owned a cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names > >> he'd use > >>here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound > >> (records > >>or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen > >> to > >>noise and distortion instead of music. I found out that all he wanted > of > >> us > >>female interns was what he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. > >> > >> > >>I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys > who > >> look > >>like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard > >> from > >>some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and > >> 1980s > >>was starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they > >> would > >>be looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort > >> of > >>legend and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I > >> applied > >>for an internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn > >>something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I > >> did, > >>because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument and I > play > >>guitar, so that was a big help. > >> > >> > >>Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I > admit), > >> and > >>the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape > >> decks and > >>cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; > in > >> > >>fact, apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring > >> those > >>models. I groaned inside! Cassettes! Really? > >> > >> > >>I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio > >> engineer > >>said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first > >>assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That really > excited > >> me, > >>here it was the first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff > and > >> be > >>able to make some recordings. > >> > >> > >>But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike > >> setup > >>called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a > >>Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll > >> confess I > >>almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and > >> they're > >>dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other > >> interns > >>got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held > >> myself > >>together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was > >> going > >>to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even > if > >> I > >>got stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. > >> > >> > >>Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak > 550 > >> > >>sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really > >> going to > >>take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The > >> next > >>day, during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more > about > >> > >>audio, and among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended > >> stop. > >>Plus one of my first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and > >> Naktalk > >>was also recommended as a place to stop by and mention the album. > >> > >> > >>By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got > >> sized > >>up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who > >> kerit > >>felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. > >> The > >>guys who got dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and > Wollensak! > >> > >> > >>OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: > >> > >>Which Nak did I get? > >> > >>It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the > Nakamichi > >>Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I > >> didn't > >>really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, > wasn't > >> > >>impressed with the B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the > >>Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette > decks, > >> > >>although the Yamaha TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the > Nakamichis. > >>Listen to me, she talks like a real connoisseur! > >> > >> > >>Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette > >> because of > >>two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it > >> fixed > >>here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those > >> eBay "it > >>lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't > record, > >> and > >>the flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a Revox > >> A77 > >>Dolby Mk. III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got > mobbed > >> by > >>people wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because > >>Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured > that > >> must > >>be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the > >> Revox > >>didn't work, either. > >> > >> > >>Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix > my > >>Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us > >>interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the > >>recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix > >> it and > >>so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights like surgeons have > and > >> the > >>thing that beeps with the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness > going > >> > >>overactive again. An awesome learning experience, I never knew there > was > >> so > >>much crammed into a tape deck. > >> > >> > >>Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, > and > >> the > >>PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a > >> whole > >>lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours > >> to > >>fix both decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape > >> > >>deck's mike amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. > >> > >> > >>I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. > >> Eventually, > >>though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make > >> room > >>for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. > >> > >> > >>-- > >>-- Julie Kessler > >>juliek at kvglabs.com > >>Artist Development Executive > >>KVG Laboratories > >>I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > >>http://www.kvglabs.com > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 02:47:19 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:47:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <749634.93604.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> <749634.93604.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey, thanks for your insights, Ron! I will go back and re-visit the MR-1 next chance I get. The thing I find really awesome is that I like a lot of different sounds, and it's hard to settle on just one! Sometimes I like the "accurate" sound, sometimes I like the "warm" sound best. Depends on my mood. And on the music. Uh oh, what does that mean if I'm in a warm mood versus an analytical or accurate mood! Oh dear. Then trying to pick which shoes go best with which sound, that's the really tough choice! On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Ron wrote: > > > I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2... > > These two are fairly different, Julie. The BX-2 is an 'entry level' deck, > with > no pretension to either super sound quality or high end features. The MR-1 > is a better deck (3 head, off tape monitoring, dual capstan, tape lifter, > etc., > etc.). Sonic character of the MR-1 tends to 'cool', 'analytical', > 'accurate', as > opposed to, say, the Dragon 'warm' sound`. > > > I want a CR-7 next... > > If you didn't like the MR-1 (or for the same sounding bx-300) you may > wish to audition CR-7 again. While better sounding than the MR-1 (but > not by a whole lot) and laden with high-end features (most notably, > adjustable PB azimuth and auto record calibration) sound character is > similar to the MR-1. I love it -- which is why I own one -- but I know > that some do not. Just as some enjoy LPs while others prefer CDs. > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dennis Orr > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > > Great stories, Julie! Where abouts are you guys located? I can't see an > address on the studio's website. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > > Hi Fellow Naktalkers! > > I'm celebrating! > > I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, and > my first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, and I > have a feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon as I've > finished my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to read > through my "How I Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought > I'd own a cassette deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. > > You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating > because I got out of college and started an internship with one studio > wanting to learn audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The > first studio went bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance > to learn anything because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the > studio duck bill collectors and angry clients. > > The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and > its big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his > interns anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us > off for cables or coffee or to do website updates and such. He would sit > around and rag on audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at > anyone who owned a cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the > names he'd use here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog > sound (records or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes > to listen to noise and distortion instead of music. I found out that all he > wanted of us female interns was what he wasn't getting from his wife. I > quit. > > I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who > look like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard > from some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and > 1980s was starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they > would be looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort > of legend and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I > applied for an internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd > learn something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I > did, because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play > guitar, so that was a big help. > > Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), and > the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape decks > and cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in > fact, apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring those > models. I groaned inside! Cassettes! Really? > > I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio engineer > said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first > assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, > here it was the first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be > able to make some recordings. > > But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike > setup called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued > a Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll > confess I almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl > and they're dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two > other interns got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). > But I held myself together and did my project. By now I was angry and had > decided I "was going to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can > do good work even if I got stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate > later on. > > Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550 > sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to > take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next > day, during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about > audio, and among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. > Plus one of my first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk > was also recommended as a place to stop by and mention the album. > > By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got > sized up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who > kerit felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. > The guys who got dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! > > OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: > > Which Nak did I get? > > It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi > Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't > really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't > impressed with the B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the > Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, > although the Yamaha TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. > Listen to me, she talks like a real connoisseur! > > Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because > of two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it > fixed here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those > eBay "it lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't > record, and the flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a > Revox A77 Dolby Mk. III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got > mobbed by people wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare > because Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured > that must be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, > the Revox didn't work, either. > > Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my > Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us > interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the > recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it > and so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and > the thing that beeps with the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going > overactive again. An awesome learning experience, I never knew there was so > much crammed into a tape deck. > > Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and > the PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a > whole lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 > hours to fix both decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to > both tape deck's mike amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. > > I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. Eventually, > though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make room > for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Dec 30 05:53:25 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:53:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> <749634.93604.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <609653.19832.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Excellent Response !!!! ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 7:47:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi Hey, thanks for your insights, Ron! I will go back and re-visit the MR-1 next chance I get. The thing I find really awesome is that I like a lot of different sounds, and it's hard to settle on just one! Sometimes I like the "accurate" sound, sometimes I like the "warm" sound best. Depends on my mood. And on the music. Uh oh, what does that mean if I'm in  a warm mood versus an analytical or accurate mood! Oh dear. Then trying to pick which shoes go best with which sound, that's the really tough choice! On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Ron wrote: >> I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2... > >These two are fairly different, Julie. The BX-2 is an 'entry level' deck, with >no pretension to either super sound quality or high end features. The MR-1 >is a better deck (3 head, off tape monitoring, dual capstan, tape lifter, etc., >etc.). Sonic character of the MR-1 tends to 'cool', 'analytical', 'accurate', as > >opposed to, say, the Dragon 'warm' sound`. > >> I want a CR-7 next... > >If you didn't like the MR-1 (or for the same sounding bx-300) you may >wish to audition CR-7 again. While better sounding than the MR-1 (but >not by a whole lot) and laden with high-end features (most notably, >adjustable PB azimuth and auto record calibration) sound character is >similar to the MR-1. I love it -- which is why I own one -- but I know >that some do not. Just as some enjoy LPs while others prefer CDs. > >-- Ron > > > > > ________________________________ From: Dennis Orr >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > > > >Great stories, Julie!  Where abouts are you guys located?  I can't see an >address on the studio's website. >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Julie Kessler >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM >>Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi >> >>Hi Fellow Naktalkers! >> >>I'm celebrating! >> >>I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, and my >>first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, and I have a >>feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon as I've finished >>my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to read through my "How >>I  Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought I'd own a cassette >>deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. >> >> >>You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating because >>I got out of college and started an internship with one studio wanting to learn >>audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The first studio went >>bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance to learn anything >>because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the studio duck bill >>collectors and angry clients. >> >> >>The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and its >>big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his interns >>anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off for cables >>or coffee or to do website updates and such.   He would sit around and rag on >>audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone who owned a >>cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names he'd use here. He'd >>also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound (records or tapes) is an >>tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen to noise and distortion >>instead of music. I found out that all he wanted of us female interns was what >>he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. >> >> >>I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who look >>like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard from some >>older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and 1980s was >>starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they would be >>looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort of legend >>and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I applied for an >>internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn something. and >>it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I did, because all the >>interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play guitar, so that was a >>big help. >> >> >>Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), and the >>first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape decks and >>cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in fact, >>apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring those models. I >>groaned inside! Cassettes! Really?  >> >> >>I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio engineer said >>about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first assignments, >>which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, here it was the >>first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be able to make some >>recordings. >> >> >>But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike setup >>called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a >>Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll confess I >>almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and they're >>dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other interns >>got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held myself >>together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was going to >>show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even if I got >>stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. >> >> >>Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550  >>sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to >>take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next day, >>during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about audio, and >>among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. Plus one of my >>first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk was also recommended >>as a place to stop by and mention the album. >> >> >>By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got sized up >>and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who kerit felt had >>the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. The guys who got >>dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! >> >> >>OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: >> >>Which Nak did I get? >> >>It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi Dragon, >>100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't really care >>for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't impressed with the >>B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the Pioneer, Technics, Teac, >>Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, although the Yamaha TC-800GL is >>nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. Listen to me, she talks like a real >>connoisseur! >> >> >>Okay, okay, deep breath:  My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because of >>two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it fixed >>here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those eBay "it >>lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't record, and the >>flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right?  Next I got a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. >>III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed by people wanting >>to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because Kermit's personal tape >>deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured that must be the way Revox A77's are >>because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the Revox didn't work, either. >> >> >>Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my >>Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us interns >>sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the recorders' parts, >>what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it and so on. We needed one >>of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and the thing that beeps with >>the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going overactive again. An awesome >>learning experience, I never knew there was so much crammed into a tape deck. >> >> >>Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and the PCB >>sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a whole lot of >>work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours to fix both >>decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape deck's mike >>amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. >> >> >>I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. Eventually, >>though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make room for >>the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. >> >> >>-- >>-- Julie Kessler >>juliek at kvglabs.com >>Artist Development Executive >>KVG Laboratories >>I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >>http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> ________________________________ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 09:43:47 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:43:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Background Noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <430348.42567.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Gregory, What's the condition of the deck? The little bit of recording I heard at the end suggests pretty good, but has a TLC been performed? Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Gregory Botha To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 1:51:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Background Noise Hi, I hear this background noise when playing a blank part of a tape. It's a combination of a humming / buzzing sound combined with a high pitched sound. It also seems to amplify when recordings are made on the 700-ZXL. I made a quick MP3 of this sound, the first part of the MP3 is the leader tape and then you'll hear when the recording starts as this sound doubles. I initially though it may be the bias circuit but the sound is still there (although rather faint) when playing back tapes that were recorded on another deck, so perhaps something to do with the motor circuit. It can only be heard in the blank sections of a tape, so it's not really a problem, but I would like to fix it if I can. Follow the link https://public.me.com/gregorybotha and download the MP3 file in the folder "Nakamichi 700-ZXL". Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Greg ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gertedude at kc.rr.com Thu Dec 30 04:25:08 2010 From: gertedude at kc.rr.com (Gerd) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:25:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> <280968.87581.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58.85.14011.A5BFB1D4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Hey Julie Really enjoyed your saga of audio and music discovery. What do your peeps think about it? I'm in my undisclosed-location audio bunker (aka basement) in Overland Park, Kansas, apparently close to the secretive KVG Labs. Got me a Nak LX-3 and MR-2 within the past 2 months. Before that I was non-analog for almost 20 years after burying a couple of Pioneer and Technics decks. Now I've even been inspired by the Naks to dust off, balance and align the old Thorens TT. I am reliving the joys and frustrations of the old analog days in addition to my many CD's, through the "bunker system": a late-80's Marantz 340 watt receiver (last of the MIJ), the Thorens, the Nak MR-2 and stacked double Advents (soon to be triple when I fix the new pair). The upstairs so-called home entertainment system features the Nak LX-3 along with AR-4x front speakers (with Seas dome tweeters) and Polk powered sub. I listen to tapes, records, and CD's on a non-discriminatory basis as long as they sound good. MP3's do suck except for automobile and portable player use or as high bitrate transcriptions of old records of dubious fidelity to start with. MP3's and personal music players have seriously degraded a majority of younger music listeners' appreciation of what real music sounds like. I honestly think that people find MP3's acceptable because most commercially produced music is crap and so highly produced that it bears little relationship to live music. And on the rare occasion when they do hear live music it is usually in a reverberant arena with terrible acoustics at 110 dB. Also the spread of HDTV and 5.1/7.1 sound systems have contributed to the demise of interest in "hi-fi". 10 years ago even Best Buy and Circuit City had decent mid-fi audio electronics and speakers. Those products are not on their shelves any more. As far as quality home music systems now, we've got the haves and have-nots, but it's not really do to economics. HDTV's cost so little that what is left over (compared to the cost of TV's 20 years ago) could easily buy a quality audio system. People that care about music won't understand what they have at home unless they get out to live music concerts and particularly bars and clubs where you can sit close up to acoustic and amplified music and capture the nuances and see the musicians hands and faces at work. Add to that, play an instrument, even if poorly. Well I've rambled on long enough. Good job, Julie. Spread the word. Gerd At 07:42 PM 12/29/2010, you wrote: >Hi Dennis, > >We're in Kansas, near the Kansas City metropolitan area. > >You must understand that the studio is only part of the company and >is often used to develop and test new equipment designs that will >end up being the subject of patents. And musicians really do enjoy >knowing they can go somewhere private and secluded, just kick back and create. > >So, actually, it's not paranoia. > >But the drawbridge and the moat stocked with piranhas is paranoia. > >On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Dennis Orr ><dorrcoq at shaw.ca> wrote: >Sounds like paranoia to me LOL But the area code gives me a >general area, which is all I really wondered about anyhow. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >http://www.kvglabs.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Thu Dec 30 05:15:54 2010 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:15:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: References: , <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys>, <749634.93604.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: But then, of course, to be fair, you'll need to make sure you don't do your comparisons using an MR-1 "B." That was Nakamichi's concession to the "Rest of the Worlders" in many studios who were buying decks like TASCAMs. It had modified EQ to make it more compatible with all the non-Naks out there. And assuage those that felt Nak-recorded cassettes sounded "dull." If I recall correctly, it boosted highs more in recording, rolled 'em off more sharply in PB. Result was subjectively flat, as in linear, with all the non-Nak machines in the real world (but not us "audiophools"). So, where the fun starts is when one plays a "genuine" Nak cassette with its silken highs on an MR-1B or MR-2B (Same idea). Suddenly that top octave where the silkiness resides goes a bit dull, due to the sharper roll-off in PB EQ. Oh, yes, and when playing a tape made on the MR-1B on a "genuine" Nak, just the opposite, as the Nak's extended PB response encounters the more hyped up highs, and it gets a wee bit exaggerated up there. So, watch out not to compare apples and oranges, and avoid a 1B - They look exactly the same, only the B has a dot on its tummy - Unless, of course, you'd like to make cassettes to play in your car (assuming you do not have a Nak deck in it) or share with those rest-of-worlders who might think your 550-recorded tapes sound "dull." Or teach them what Q-Tips and alcohol are really for ;-) See what you've gotten into? And just try to find the right shoes for when you're feeling analytical/accurate or warm-but-incompatible ;-) Geez, what our digital friends are missing! Happy listening, Steve Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:47:19 -0600 Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Hey, thanks for your insights, Ron! I will go back and re-visit the MR-1 next chance I get. The thing I find really awesome is that I like a lot of different sounds, and it's hard to settle on just one! Sometimes I like the "accurate" sound, sometimes I like the "warm" sound best. Depends on my mood. And on the music. Uh oh, what does that mean if I'm in a warm mood versus an analytical or accurate mood! Oh dear. Then trying to pick which shoes go best with which sound, that's the really tough choice! On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Ron wrote: > I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2... These two are fairly different, Julie. The BX-2 is an 'entry level' deck, with no pretension to either super sound quality or high end features. The MR-1 is a better deck (3 head, off tape monitoring, dual capstan, tape lifter, etc., etc.). Sonic character of the MR-1 tends to 'cool', 'analytical', 'accurate', as opposed to, say, the Dragon 'warm' sound`. > I want a CR-7 next... If you didn't like the MR-1 (or for the same sounding bx-300) you may wish to audition CR-7 again. While better sounding than the MR-1 (but not by a whole lot) and laden with high-end features (most notably, adjustable PB azimuth and auto record calibration) sound character is similar to the MR-1. I love it -- which is why I own one -- but I know that some do not. Just as some enjoy LPs while others prefer CDs. -- Ron From: Dennis Orr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi Great stories, Julie! Where abouts are you guys located? I can't see an address on the studio's website. ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi Hi Fellow Naktalkers! I'm celebrating! I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, and my first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, and I have a feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon as I've finished my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to read through my "How I Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought I'd own a cassette deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating because I got out of college and started an internship with one studio wanting to learn audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The first studio went bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance to learn anything because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the studio duck bill collectors and angry clients. The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and its big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his interns anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off for cables or coffee or to do website updates and such. He would sit around and rag on audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone who owned a cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names he'd use here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound (records or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen to noise and distortion instead of music. I found out that all he wanted of us female interns was what he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who look like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard from some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and 1980s was starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they would be looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort of legend and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I applied for an internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I did, because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play guitar, so that was a big help. Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), and the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape decks and cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in fact, apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring those models. I groaned inside! Cassettes! Really? I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio engineer said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, here it was the first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be able to make some recordings. But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike setup called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll confess I almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and they're dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other interns got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held myself together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was going to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even if I got stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550 sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next day, during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about audio, and among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. Plus one of my first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk was also recommended as a place to stop by and mention the album. By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got sized up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who kerit felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. The guys who got dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: Which Nak did I get? It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't impressed with the B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, although the Yamaha TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. Listen to me, she talks like a real connoisseur! Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because of two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it fixed here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those eBay "it lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't record, and the flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed by people wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured that must be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the Revox didn't work, either. Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it and so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and the thing that beeps with the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going overactive again. An awesome learning experience, I never knew there was so much crammed into a tape deck. Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and the PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a whole lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours to fix both decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape deck's mike amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. Eventually, though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make room for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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URL: From gertedude at kc.rr.com Thu Dec 30 06:46:10 2010 From: gertedude at kc.rr.com (Gerd) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:46:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <609653.19832.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> <749634.93604.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <609653.19832.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <73.CE.14011.36C1C1D4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> There is only one sound that is correct, and that is the accurate sound of getting as close to the original source as possible. After that you use tone controls and equalizers to warm it up, tone it down, or whatever is a personal preference or mood of the moment. Sorry to sound dogmatic, but that is what "high fidelity" means. Semper fi. Truth. At 10:53 PM 12/29/2010, you wrote: >Excellent Response !!!! > > >From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 7:47:19 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > >Hey, thanks for your insights, Ron! I will go back and re-visit the >MR-1 next chance I get. The thing I find really awesome is that I >like a lot of different sounds, and it's hard to settle on just one! >Sometimes I like the "accurate" sound, sometimes I like the "warm" >sound best. Depends on my mood. And on the music. Uh oh, what does >that mean if I'm in a warm mood versus an analytical or accurate >mood! Oh dear. Then trying to pick which shoes go best with which >sound, that's the really tough choice! > >On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Ron ><ronami at yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2... > >These two are fairly different, Julie. The BX-2 is an 'entry level' >deck, with >no pretension to either super sound quality or high end features. The MR-1 >is a better deck (3 head, off tape monitoring, dual capstan, tape >lifter, etc., >etc.). Sonic character of the MR-1 tends to 'cool', 'analytical', >'accurate', as >opposed to, say, the Dragon 'warm' sound`. > > > I want a CR-7 next... > >If you didn't like the MR-1 (or for the same sounding bx-300) you may >wish to audition CR-7 again. While better sounding than the MR-1 (but >not by a whole lot) and laden with high-end features (most notably, >adjustable PB azimuth and auto record calibration) sound character is >similar to the MR-1. I love it -- which is why I own one -- but I know >that some do not. Just as some enjoy LPs while others prefer CDs. > >-- Ron > > > >From: Dennis Orr <dorrcoq at shaw.ca> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ><naktalk at naks.com> >Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > >Great stories, Julie! Where abouts are you guys located? I can't >see an address on the studio's website. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM >Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > >Hi Fellow Naktalkers! > >I'm celebrating! > >I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first >reel-to-reel, and my first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, >really hard choice, and I have a feeling I'll be adding to my new >tape deck collection as soon as I've finished my internship in >April. So which Nak did I get? You have to read through my "How >I Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought I'd own >a cassette deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. > >You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been >frustrating because I got out of college and started an internship >with one studio wanting to learn audio and be more than just a >glorified coffee girl. The first studio went bankrupt during my >internship and I never got the chance to learn anything because I >mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the studio duck bill >collectors and angry clients. > >The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty >decor and its big Protools setup, but the house engineer really >didn't teach his interns anything, he just would brag to the interns >in between sending us off for cables or coffee or to do website >updates and such. He would sit around and rag on audiophiles, >calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone who owned a >cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names he'd >use here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog >sound (records or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot >who likes to listen to noise and distortion instead of music. I >found out that all he wanted of us female interns was what he wasn't >getting from his wife. I quit. > >I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys >who look like they know something about music or recording. So one >day I heard from some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio >from the 1970s and 1980s was starting back up, really old-school big >label sound, and that they would be looking for interns. They all >spoke like the engineer was some sort of legend and seemed really >excited that the studio was coming back. I applied for an >internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn >something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but >I did, because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument >and I play guitar, so that was a big help. > >Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I >admit), and the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog >reel-to-reel tape decks and cassette decks. The studio has several >Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in fact, apparently Kermit (studio >owner) has a reputation of preferring those models. I groaned >inside! Cassettes! Really? > >I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio >engineer said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got >our first assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That >really excited me, here it was the first day and I was going to >learn some audio stuff and be able to make some recordings. > >But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird >3-mike setup called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field >recorders. I got issued a Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did >two other interns) and I'll confess I almost cried. Honestly, I >thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and they're dissing me with >this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other interns got >issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held >myself together and did my project. By now I was angry and had >decided I "was going to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer >I can do good work even if I got stuck with a cassette!," as I told >my roommate later on. > >Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak >550 sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was >really going to take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much >as I could. The next day, during the Q&A session I asked where I >could go to learn more about audio, and among the long list of >resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. Plus one of my first tasks >was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk was also recommended >as a place to stop by and mention the album. > >By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns >got sized up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were >those who kerit felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a >dis as I though. The guys who got dissed were the two who got issued >the Uher and Wollensak! > >OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: > >Which Nak did I get? > >It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the >Nakamichi Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, >but I admit I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also >liked the Revox B710, wasn't impressed with the B215 and really >didn't like the sound of any of the Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, >Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, although the Yamaha >TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. Listen to me, >she talks like a real connoisseur! > >Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette >because of two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that >I can get it fixed here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it >it was one of those eBay "it lights up but I have no tape to test >it" descriptions. It didn't record, and the flutter-and-wow was >terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. III off >Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed by people >wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because >Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured >that must be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have >Dolby. Oh, the Revox didn't work, either. > >Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix >my Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all >of us interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue >on the recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem >how to fix it and so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights >like surgeons have and the thing that beeps with the heart rate ... >sorry, it's the blondness going overactive again. An awesome >learning experience, I never knew there was so much crammed into a tape deck. > >Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, >and the PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 >needed a whole lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe >it only took 2 hours to fix both decks and while he was working he >did some upgrades to both tape deck's mike amplifiers and to the >Revox's playback amps. > >I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. >Eventually, though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie >Babies to make room for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >http://www.kvglabs.com > > > >---------- >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >http://www.kvglabs.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 30 06:57:19 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:57:19 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: References: , <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys>, <749634.93604.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: My friend Al brought his CR-7A over a couple of months ago. We compared the sound to my Dragon, ZX-7, LX-5, 680, and BX-100. We are both owners of at least two 700's. They were left out of the test since we both agree it's the best 'playback' sounding deck we own. The 700 (and 700 II) is in a league of its own, having full-bodied, robust, detailed sound. There's something magical of the 700 compared to other decks. However, I wouldn't advise people to get one, since parts are scarce and it's expensive to ship a 26 pound deck for service, if you can find a tech who'll service one. When listening to an upcoming guitar solo in a rock song, I just love listening to how that lead guitar comes grinding in. I also left my BX-300 out of the test. Its' sound is neutral. Much like the Dragon, not harsh, not warm. The BX-300 and Dragon simply puts out sound to what your cassette tapes are suppose to sound like. After doing the comparison test of the CR-7A, Dragon, ZX-7, LX-5, and 680, my friend Al and I both agreed that if you own any one of these decks, you're really not missing out much on the sound of the other decks. All decks were great. One Naker said this years ago: Nak decks are like coming home to a bar - you have a type of drink for the mood you're in. It may be a beer, Black Russian, Gin Tonic, etc. That makes sense. Same is true when you come home to your Nak decks - you may play a certain one according to the type of mood you're in. After the sound test I let Al listen to the BX-100. After that we both agreed that you don't have to spend a whole lot of money to get nice Nakamichi sound. The decks used for serious recording are my two ZX-7's and the Dragon. Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:47:19 -0600 Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Hey, thanks for your insights, Ron! I will go back and re-visit the MR-1 next chance I get. The thing I find really awesome is that I like a lot of different sounds, and it's hard to settle on just one! Sometimes I like the "accurate" sound, sometimes I like the "warm" sound best. Depends on my mood. And on the music. Uh oh, what does that mean if I'm in a warm mood versus an analytical or accurate mood! Oh dear. Then trying to pick which shoes go best with which sound, that's the really tough choice! On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Ron wrote: > I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2... These two are fairly different, Julie. The BX-2 is an 'entry level' deck, with no pretension to either super sound quality or high end features. The MR-1 is a better deck (3 head, off tape monitoring, dual capstan, tape lifter, etc., etc.). Sonic character of the MR-1 tends to 'cool', 'analytical', 'accurate', as opposed to, say, the Dragon 'warm' sound`. > I want a CR-7 next... If you didn't like the MR-1 (or for the same sounding bx-300) you may wish to audition CR-7 again. While better sounding than the MR-1 (but not by a whole lot) and laden with high-end features (most notably, adjustable PB azimuth and auto record calibration) sound character is similar to the MR-1. I love it -- which is why I own one -- but I know that some do not. Just as some enjoy LPs while others prefer CDs. -- Ron From: Dennis Orr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi Great stories, Julie! Where abouts are you guys located? I can't see an address on the studio's website. ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi Hi Fellow Naktalkers! I'm celebrating! I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, and my first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, and I have a feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon as I've finished my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to read through my "How I Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought I'd own a cassette deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating because I got out of college and started an internship with one studio wanting to learn audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The first studio went bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance to learn anything because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the studio duck bill collectors and angry clients. The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and its big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his interns anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off for cables or coffee or to do website updates and such. He would sit around and rag on audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone who owned a cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names he'd use here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound (records or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen to noise and distortion instead of music. I found out that all he wanted of us female interns was what he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who look like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard from some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and 1980s was starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they would be looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort of legend and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I applied for an internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I did, because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play guitar, so that was a big help. Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), and the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape decks and cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in fact, apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring those models. I groaned inside! Cassettes! Really? I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio engineer said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, here it was the first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be able to make some recordings. But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike setup called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll confess I almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and they're dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other interns got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held myself together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was going to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even if I got stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550 sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next day, during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about audio, and among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. Plus one of my first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk was also recommended as a place to stop by and mention the album. By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got sized up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who kerit felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. The guys who got dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: Which Nak did I get? It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't impressed with the B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, although the Yamaha TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. Listen to me, she talks like a real connoisseur! Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because of two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it fixed here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those eBay "it lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't record, and the flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed by people wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured that must be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the Revox didn't work, either. Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it and so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and the thing that beeps with the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going overactive again. An awesome learning experience, I never knew there was so much crammed into a tape deck. Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and the PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a whole lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours to fix both decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape deck's mike amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. Eventually, though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make room for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Name: ATT00001 URL: From gregorybotha at me.com Thu Dec 30 14:33:40 2010 From: gregorybotha at me.com (Gregory Botha) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:33:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <201012301242.oBUCXmLj012136@zxe.naks.com> References: <201012301242.oBUCXmLj012136@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3BA9D673-A2C7-477C-A8F8-27DEA81C1D7D@me.com> Hi Bala, The deck is like new, very clean inside all original by the looks of it. I'll try and remove the daughter cards on the right hand side and see if the noise disappears. It's probably a bad earth or poor connection somewhere. The recordings and playback on the deck are really amazing, true to the source. I'll do some investigating and let you know. Thanks, Greg > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:43:47 -0800 (PST) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Background Noise > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <430348.42567.qm at web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Gregory, > > What's the condition of the deck? The little bit of recording I heard at the end > suggests pretty good, but has a TLC been performed? > > Regards, > Bala > > > > > ______________________________ > From: Gregory Botha > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 1:51:17 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Background Noise > > Hi, > > I hear this background noise when playing a blank part of a tape. It's a > combination of a humming / buzzing sound combined with a high pitched sound. It > also seems to amplify when recordings are made on the 700-ZXL. I made a quick > MP3 of this sound, the first part of the MP3 is the leader tape and then you'll > hear when the recording starts as this sound doubles. I initially though it may > be the bias circuit but the sound is still there (although rather faint) when > playing back tapes that were recorded on another deck, so perhaps something to > do with the motor circuit. It can only be heard in the blank sections of a tape, > so it's not really a problem, but I would like to fix it if I can. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 15:18:52 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:18:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <73.CE.14011.36C1C1D4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> <749634.93604.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <609653.19832.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <73.CE.14011.36C1C1D4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <980797.66641.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Actually, I totally agree with you, Gerd.. However, this is a very old argument between 'subjectivists' and 'objectivists'. For some strange reason, these arguments tend to blossom into holly wars, so I only engage when in the right mood :-). -- Ron ________________________________ From: Gerd To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: gbukowski at kc.rr.com Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 12:46:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi There is only one sound that is correct, and that is the accurate sound of getting as close to the original source as possible. After that you use tone controls and equalizers to warm it up, tone it down, or whatever is a personal preference or mood of the moment. Sorry to sound dogmatic, but that is what "high fidelity" means. Semper fi. Truth. At 10:53 PM 12/29/2010, you wrote: Excellent Response !!!! > > >From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 7:47:19 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > >Hey, thanks for your insights, Ron! I will go back and re-visit the MR-1 next >chance I get. The thing I find really awesome is that I like a lot of different >sounds, and it's hard to settle on just one! Sometimes I like the "accurate" >sound, sometimes I like the "warm" sound best. Depends on my mood. And on the >music. Uh oh, what does that mean if I'm in a warm mood versus an analytical or >accurate mood! Oh dear. Then trying to pick which shoes go best with which >sound, that's the really tough choice! > >On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Ron wrote: > > > >> I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2... > > >These two are fairly different, Julie. The BX-2 is an 'entry level' deck, with > >no pretension to either super sound quality or high end features. The MR-1 > >is a better deck (3 head, off tape monitoring, dual capstan, tape lifter, etc., > >etc.). Sonic character of the MR-1 tends to 'cool', 'analytical', 'accurate', as > > >opposed to, say, the Dragon 'warm' sound`. > > >> I want a CR-7 next... > > >If you didn't like the MR-1 (or for the same sounding bx-300) you may > >wish to audition CR-7 again. While better sounding than the MR-1 (but > >not by a whole lot) and laden with high-end features (most notably, > >adjustable PB azimuth and auto record calibration) sound character is > >similar to the MR-1. I love it -- which is why I own one -- but I know > >that some do not. Just as some enjoy LPs while others prefer CDs. > > >-- Ron > > > > >From: Dennis Orr > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > > >Great stories, Julie! Where abouts are you guys located? I can't see an >address on the studio's website. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Julie Kessler > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > > >Hi Fellow Naktalkers! > > >I'm celebrating! > > >I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, and my >first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, and I have a >feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon as I've finished >my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to read through my "How >I Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought I'd own a cassette >deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. > > > >You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating because >I got out of college and started an internship with one studio wanting to learn >audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The first studio went >bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance to learn anything >because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the studio duck bill >collectors and angry clients. > > > >The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and its >big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his interns >anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off for cables >or coffee or to do website updates and such. He would sit around and rag on >audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone who owned a >cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names he'd use here. He'd >also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound (records or tapes) is an >tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen to noise and distortion >instead of music. I found out that all he wanted of us female interns was what >he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. > > > >I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who look >like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard from some >older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and 1980s was >starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they would be >looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort of legend >and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I applied for an >internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn something. and >it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I did, because all the >interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play guitar, so that was a >big help. > > > >Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), and the >first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape decks and >cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in fact, >apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring those models. I >groaned inside! Cassettes! Really? > > > >I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio engineer said >about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first assignments, >which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, here it was the >first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be able to make some >recordings. > > > >But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike setup >called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a >Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll confess I >almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and they're >dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other interns >got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held myself >together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was going to >show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even if I got >stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. > > > >Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550 >sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to >take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next day, >during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about audio, and >among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. Plus one of my >first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk was also recommended >as a place to stop by and mention the album. > > > >By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got sized up >and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who kerit felt had >the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. The guys who got >dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! > > > >OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: > > >Which Nak did I get? > > >It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi Dragon, >100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't really care >for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't impressed with the >B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the Pioneer, Technics, Teac, >Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, although the Yamaha TC-800GL is >nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. Listen to me, she talks like a real >connoisseur! > > > >Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because of >two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it fixed >here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those eBay "it >lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't record, and the >flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. >III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed by people wanting >to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because Kermit's personal tape >deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured that must be the way Revox A77's are >because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the Revox didn't work, either. > > > >Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my >Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us interns >sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the recorders' parts, >what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it and so on. We needed one >of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and the thing that beeps with >the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going overactive again. An awesome >learning experience, I never knew there was so much crammed into a tape deck. > > > >Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and the PCB >sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a whole lot of >work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours to fix both >decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape deck's mike >amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. > > > >I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. Eventually, >though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make room for >the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. > > > >-- > >-- Julie Kessler > >juliek at kvglabs.com > >Artist Development Executive > >KVG Laboratories > >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > >http://www.kvglabs.com/ > > >________________________________ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >http://www.kvglabs.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 16:03:07 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:03:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <3BA9D673-A2C7-477C-A8F8-27DEA81C1D7D@me.com> References: <201012301242.oBUCXmLj012136@zxe.naks.com> <3BA9D673-A2C7-477C-A8F8-27DEA81C1D7D@me.com> Message-ID: <41162.54131.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Gregory, No problems. You may need to have the deck completely re-capped, change of belts, and re-aligned. The contacts on the 700ZXL are not really robust, so they may need some treatment as well. Keep us informed. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Gregory Botha To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 9:33:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 27 Hi Bala, The deck is like new, very clean inside all original by the looks of it. I'll try and remove the daughter cards on the right hand side and see if the noise disappears. It's probably a bad earth or poor connection somewhere. The recordings and playback on the deck are really amazing, true to the source. I'll do some investigating and let you know. Thanks, Greg Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:43:47 -0800 (PST) >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Background Noise >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <430348.42567.qm at web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi Gregory, > >What's the condition of the deck? The little bit of recording I heard at the >end >suggests pretty good, but has a TLC been performed? > >Regards, >Bala > > > > >______________________________ >From: Gregory Botha >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 1:51:17 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Background Noise > >Hi, > >I hear this background noise when playing a blank part of a tape. It's a >combination of a humming / buzzing sound combined with a high pitched sound. It >also seems to amplify when recordings are made on the 700-ZXL. I made a quick >MP3 of this sound, the first part of the MP3 is the leader tape and then you'll >hear when the recording starts as this sound doubles. I initially though it may >be the bias circuit but the sound is still there (although rather faint) when >playing back tapes that were recorded on another deck, so perhaps something to >do with the motor circuit. It can only be heard in the blank sections of a >tape, >so it's not really a problem, but I would like to fix it if I can. 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Do you really need this item as I have not seen a single Nak requiring Pinch rollars so far?   I think I have 480 transport parts - I can scavange it for you ( ofcourse you have to pay shipping costs from US) - unless you want to only buy a new one for your 1000ZXL kannan --- On Thu, 12/30/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] pinch rollers Nakamichi Classic transport To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 10:50 AM Hi,   Is there a place where we can become new original pinch rollers for the Classic transport (1000ZXL)? On ebay there are new pinch rollers but are they ok? http://cgi.ebay.de/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-roller-/130314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922   Regards Norman -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 15:04:24 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:04:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <73.CE.14011.36C1C1D4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <108e01cba70b$54e62980$6400a8c0@p5asrocksys> <749634.93604.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <609653.19832.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <73.CE.14011.36C1C1D4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <993171.32571.qm@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> If you want to get as accurate and close to the original sound as possible, the idea is NOT to use tone controls or equalizers.  In fact, audiophile preamps do not have tone controls for this very reason. Jayson ________________________________ From: Gerd To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: gbukowski at kc.rr.com Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 12:46:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi There is only one sound that is correct, and that is the accurate sound of getting as close to the original source as possible.  After that you use tone controls and equalizers to warm it up, tone it down, or whatever is a personal preference or mood of the moment. Sorry to sound dogmatic, but that is what "high fidelity" means.  Semper fi.  Truth. At 10:53 PM 12/29/2010, you wrote: Excellent Response !!!! > > >From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 7:47:19 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > >Hey, thanks for your insights, Ron! I will go back and re-visit the MR-1 next >chance I get. The thing I find really awesome is that I like a lot of different >sounds, and it's hard to settle on just one! Sometimes I like the "accurate" >sound, sometimes I like the "warm" sound best. Depends on my mood. And on the >music. Uh oh, what does that mean if I'm in  a warm mood versus an analytical or >accurate mood! Oh dear. Then trying to pick which shoes go best with which >sound, that's the really tough choice! > >On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Ron wrote: > > > >> I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2... > > >These two are fairly different, Julie. The BX-2 is an 'entry level' deck, with > >no pretension to either super sound quality or high end features. The MR-1 > >is a better deck (3 head, off tape monitoring, dual capstan, tape lifter, etc., > >etc.). Sonic character of the MR-1 tends to 'cool', 'analytical', 'accurate', as > > >opposed to, say, the Dragon 'warm' sound`. > > >> I want a CR-7 next... > > >If you didn't like the MR-1 (or for the same sounding bx-300) you may > >wish to audition CR-7 again. While better sounding than the MR-1 (but > >not by a whole lot) and laden with high-end features (most notably, > >adjustable PB azimuth and auto record calibration) sound character is > >similar to the MR-1. I love it -- which is why I own one -- but I know > >that some do not. Just as some enjoy LPs while others prefer CDs. > > >-- Ron > > > > >From: Dennis Orr > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > >Great stories, Julie!  Where abouts are you guys located?  I can't see an >address on the studio's website. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Julie Kessler > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi > > >Hi Fellow Naktalkers! > > >I'm celebrating! > > >I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, and my >first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, and I have a >feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon as I've finished >my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to read through my "How >I  Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought I'd own a cassette >deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. > > > >You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating because >I got out of college and started an internship with one studio wanting to learn >audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The first studio went >bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance to learn anything >because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the studio duck bill >collectors and angry clients. > > > >The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and its >big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his interns >anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off for cables >or coffee or to do website updates and such.   He would sit around and rag on >audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone who owned a >cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names he'd use here. He'd >also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound (records or tapes) is an >tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen to noise and distortion >instead of music. I found out that all he wanted of us female interns was what >he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. > > > >I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who look >like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard from some >older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and 1980s was >starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they would be >looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort of legend >and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I applied for an >internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn something. and >it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I did, because all the >interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play guitar, so that was a >big help. > > > >Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), and the >first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape decks and >cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in fact, >apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring those models. I >groaned inside! Cassettes! Really?  > > > >I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio engineer said >about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first assignments, >which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, here it was the >first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be able to make some >recordings. > > > >But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike setup >called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a >Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll confess I >almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and they're >dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other interns >got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held myself >together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was going to >show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even if I got >stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. > > > >Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550  >sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to >take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next day, >during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about audio, and >among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. Plus one of my >first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk was also recommended >as a place to stop by and mention the album. > > > >By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got sized up >and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who kerit felt had >the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. The guys who got >dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! > > > >OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: > > >Which Nak did I get? > > >It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi Dragon, >100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't really care >for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't impressed with the >B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the Pioneer, Technics, Teac, >Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, although the Yamaha TC-800GL is >nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. Listen to me, she talks like a real >connoisseur! > > > >Okay, okay, deep breath:  My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because of >two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it fixed >here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those eBay "it >lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't record, and the >flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right?  Next I got a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. >III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed by people wanting >to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because Kermit's personal tape >deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured that must be the way Revox A77's are >because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the Revox didn't work, either. > > > >Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my >Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us interns >sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the recorders' parts, >what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it and so on. We needed one >of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and the thing that beeps with >the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going overactive again. An awesome >learning experience, I never knew there was so much crammed into a tape deck. > > > >Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and the PCB >sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a whole lot of >work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours to fix both >decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape deck's mike >amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. > > > >I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. Eventually, >though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make room for >the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. > > > >-- > >-- Julie Kessler > >juliek at kvglabs.com > >Artist Development Executive > >KVG Laboratories > >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > >http://www.kvglabs.com > > >________________________________ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! 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Good luck in your quest.;-) Kevin Message: 15 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:46:10 -0600 From: Gerd Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: gbukowski at kc.rr.com Message-ID: <73.CE.14011.36C1C1D4 at hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is only one sound that is correct, and that is the accurate sound of getting as close to the original source as possible. After that you use tone controls and equalizers to warm it up, tone it down, or whatever is a personal preference or mood of the moment. Sorry to sound dogmatic, but that is what "high fidelity" means. Semper fi. Truth. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sometimes I like the > "accurate" sound, sometimes I like the "warm" sound best. Depends on my > mood. And on the music. Uh oh, what does that mean if I'm in a warm mood > versus an analytical or accurate mood! Oh dear. Then trying to pick which > shoes go best with which sound, that's the really tough choice! > > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Ron wrote: > >> >> > I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2... >> >> These two are fairly different, Julie. The BX-2 is an 'entry level' deck, >> with >> no pretension to either super sound quality or high end features. The MR-1 >> >> is a better deck (3 head, off tape monitoring, dual capstan, tape lifter, >> etc., >> etc.). Sonic character of the MR-1 tends to 'cool', 'analytical', >> 'accurate', as >> opposed to, say, the Dragon 'warm' sound`. >> >> > I want a CR-7 next... >> >> If you didn't like the MR-1 (or for the same sounding bx-300) you may >> wish to audition CR-7 again. While better sounding than the MR-1 (but >> not by a whole lot) and laden with high-end features (most notably, >> adjustable PB azimuth and auto record calibration) sound character is >> similar to the MR-1. I love it -- which is why I own one -- but I know >> that some do not. Just as some enjoy LPs while others prefer CDs. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Dennis Orr >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi >> >> Great stories, Julie! Where abouts are you guys located? I can't see an >> address on the studio's website. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Julie Kessler >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi >> >> Hi Fellow Naktalkers! >> >> I'm celebrating! >> >> I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, and >> my first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, and I >> have a feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon as I've >> finished my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to read >> through my "How I Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought >> I'd own a cassette deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. >> >> You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating >> because I got out of college and started an internship with one studio >> wanting to learn audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The >> first studio went bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance >> to learn anything because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the >> studio duck bill collectors and angry clients. >> >> The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and >> its big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his >> interns anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us >> off for cables or coffee or to do website updates and such. He would sit >> around and rag on audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at >> anyone who owned a cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the >> names he'd use here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog >> sound (records or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes >> to listen to noise and distortion instead of music. I found out that all he >> wanted of us female interns was what he wasn't getting from his wife. I >> quit. >> >> I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who >> look like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard >> from some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and >> 1980s was starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they >> would be looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort >> of legend and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I >> applied for an internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd >> learn something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I >> did, because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play >> guitar, so that was a big help. >> >> Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), >> and the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape >> decks and cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and >> 550; in fact, apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of >> preferring those models. I groaned inside! Cassettes! Really? >> >> I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio >> engineer said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first >> assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, >> here it was the first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be >> able to make some recordings. >> >> But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike >> setup called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued >> a Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll >> confess I almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl >> and they're dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two >> other interns got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). >> But I held myself together and did my project. By now I was angry and had >> decided I "was going to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can >> do good work even if I got stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate >> later on. >> >> Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550 >> sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to >> take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next >> day, during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about >> audio, and among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. >> Plus one of my first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk >> was also recommended as a place to stop by and mention the album. >> >> By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got >> sized up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who >> kerit felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. >> The guys who got dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! >> >> OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: >> >> Which Nak did I get? >> >> It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi >> Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't >> really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't >> impressed with the B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the >> Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, >> although the Yamaha TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. >> Listen to me, she talks like a real connoisseur! >> >> Okay, okay, deep breath: My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because >> of two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it >> fixed here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those >> eBay "it lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't >> record, and the flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right? Next I got a >> Revox A77 Dolby Mk. III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got >> mobbed by people wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare >> because Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured >> that must be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, >> the Revox didn't work, either. >> >> Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my >> Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us >> interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the >> recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it >> and so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and >> the thing that beeps with the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going >> overactive again. An awesome learning experience, I never knew there was so >> much crammed into a tape deck. >> >> Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and >> the PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a >> whole lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 >> hours to fix both decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to >> both tape deck's mike amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. >> >> I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. >> Eventually, though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies >> to make room for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. >> >> -- >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >> http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Thu Dec 30 18:47:38 2010 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:47:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <201012301242.oBUCXmLj012136@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1196619797.636.1293731258605.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> Julie, I loved your tale, and watching it unfold here. You made a great choice. And Kermit, the way that you turned the repairs into a lesson was wonderful! From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 31 07:50:27 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:50:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] pinch rollers Nakamichi Classic transport In-Reply-To: <003b01cba839$4da87900$e8f96b00$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <003b01cba839$4da87900$e8f96b00$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <238615.86983.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Norman, The price is not cheap, but getting new rollers are important for two reasons. Firstly, the rubber surfaces grip the tape and these should be in a best possible condition in a nak. They regulate the speed and tension. Secondly, the centre bearing is a sintered bronze bearing which seeps oil when the pinch rollers are moving. On used and older rollers, the pores of the sintered bearings are clogged and usually do not do a good job of lubricating. An alternative is nylon centred rollers but these are hard to get as well these days. My advice is go for them because you don't want to compromise on anything that your tape comes into contact with. Just like turntable styli. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 11:50:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] pinch rollers Nakamichi Classic transport Hi, Is there a place where we can become new original pinch rollers for the Classic transport (1000ZXL)? On ebay there are new pinch rollers but are they ok? http://cgi.ebay.de/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-roller-/130314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922 Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I told my doctor he should offer a special service for " Audiophiles "   Professional Earwax Removal !  how many times have I thought the channel balance or frequency response of my system was going bad and a good earwax cleaning of one or both ears cleared the problem right up.      Thomas --- On Thu, 12/30/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE:The Story of My First Nakamichi To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 10:17 AM Except that even if you could get your recording of the 'live music' perfect and analytical....going into your speakers and then your home environment throws your 'original source' right out the window. It will never be perfect and 100% true to the source. The music you hear in your home environ will only be a reasonable, flawed facsimile of the concert (or recording studio). Many people in "high fidelity" believe that they can obtain the perfect facsimile of the original, but it's not obtainable much like the Holy Grail. Good luck in your quest.;-) Kevin Message: 15 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:46:10 -0600 From: Gerd Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: gbukowski at kc.rr.com Message-ID: <73.CE.14011.36C1C1D4 at hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is only one sound that is correct, and that is the accurate sound of getting as close to the original source as possible.  After that you use tone controls and equalizers to warm it up, tone it down, or whatever is a personal preference or mood of the moment. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 13:48:22 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:48:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] pinch rollers Nakamichi Classic transport In-Reply-To: <238615.86983.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <003b01cba839$4da87900$e8f96b00$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <238615.86983.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6369A673-E2CD-4B91-AD9B-B15A2ECAB880@gmail.com> Hi classic transport! This is a photo from New pinch rollers made in Japan in 1994, for the classic transport. as you ou can see the rubber has a lot of very small scratches! this rubber is working like a car tire with the profile. This rollers are not strait like a cylinder. The roller does contact the capstan like a gallon, it is looking like a street, little higher in the middle. kind regards to all,  Am 31.12.2010 um 07:50 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra: > Hi Norman, > > The price is not cheap, but getting new rollers are important for > two reasons. Firstly, the rubber surfaces grip the tape and these > should be in a best possible condition in a nak. They regulate the > speed and tension. Secondly, the centre bearing is a sintered > bronze bearing which seeps oil when the pinch rollers are moving. > On used and older rollers, the pores of the sintered bearings are > clogged and usually do not do a good job of lubricating. An > alternative is nylon centred rollers but these are hard to get as > well these days. > > My advice is go for them because you don't want to compromise on > anything that your tape comes into contact with. Just like > turntable styli. > > Regards, > Bala > > > > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 11:50:37 PM > Subject: [naktalk] pinch rollers Nakamichi Classic transport > > Hi, > > Is there a place where we can become new original pinch rollers for > the Classic transport (1000ZXL)? On ebay there are new pinch > rollers but are they ok? > http://cgi.ebay.de/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch- > roller-/130314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922 > > Regards Norman > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMGP6325.jpg Type: application/applefile Size: 61946 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On ebay there are new pinch rollers > but are they ok? > > http://cgi.ebay.de/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-roller-/130314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922 > > > Regards Norman > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 31 17:32:35 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:32:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <32429.12067.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are these 4700pf caps hard to find?  The only electronics store near is Radio Shack and they had nothing near that value so I guess I'll have to order some.  Nice electronic stores are getting to be a thing of the past. Bob N --- On Fri, 12/24/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 9:01 AM Hi Bob - You caught me traveling for the holiday.  I'll get you the Mouser part number once back home.  The frequency of the bias oscillator should be at least checked after changing the caps but in my experience if the bias frequency is within 20% all is fine! Willy On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: Thanks Willy.  Would I have to do another bias adjustment after wards?  Any type of cap OK? Bob N --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil.  Change them anyway even if they're OK.Willy On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: My LX-5 lost it's recording.  What is the best way to determine if the problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit?  During recording, in the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear light static and an occasional crackle. This problem happened instantly.  The deck was recording and stopped with the above symptoms.  Playback is still fine.  Any opinions? 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Dec 31 21:00:30 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:00:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record In-Reply-To: <32429.12067.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <32429.12067.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ordering two up will probably be expensive but try Digi-Key part number 495-1178-ND Willy On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Are these 4700pf caps hard to find? The only electronics store near is > Radio Shack and they had nothing near that value so I guess I'll have to > order some. Nice electronic stores are getting to be a thing of the past. > Bob N > > > --- On *Fri, 12/24/10, Willy Hermann *wrote: > > > From: Willy Hermann > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 9:01 AM > > Hi Bob - > > You caught me traveling for the holiday. I'll get you the Mouser part > number once back home. The frequency of the bias oscillator should be at > least checked after changing the caps but in my experience if the bias > frequency is within 20% all is fine! > > Willy > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Bob Naylor > > wrote: > > Thanks Willy. Would I have to do another bias adjustment after wards? Any > type of cap OK? > Bob N > > --- On *Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann > >* wrote: > > > From: Willy Hermann > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM > > > First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil. > Change them anyway even if they're OK. > Willy > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor > > wrote: > > My LX-5 lost it's recording. What is the best way to determine if the > problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit? During recording, in > the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear > light static and an occasional crackle. > This problem happened instantly. The deck was recording and stopped with > the above symptoms. Playback is still fine. 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Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:01 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record Ordering two up will probably be expensive but try Digi-Key part number 495-1178-ND Willy On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: Are these 4700pf caps hard to find? The only electronics store near is Radio Shack and they had nothing near that value so I guess I'll have to order some. Nice electronic stores are getting to be a thing of the past. 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Use a small screw driver and feel for the slotted screw head inside and turn it ....I think, counter-clockwise , just a tad. Give it a listen and keep at it till you get it just right.     Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 01:58:24 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:58:24 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs In-Reply-To: <986100.22439.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <201001301118.o0UB9HjA013411@zxe.naks.com>, , <986100.22439.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes Steve Sank did a wonderful job with cassette decks as I had the full capacitor replacement done to a Dragon and an LX-5. I was one of the fortunate ones to meet with him in person when he lived in N.M. Now he's an 1 1/2 hour drive away and find little time to travel. If I ever plan to sell these two decks, I'll let this group know. It would also be advisable if any other Nak member would notify this group if he plans on selling any Sank serviced equipment. I plan on posting my Nak RM-20 Dragon and Tri-Tracer remotes on Ebay tomorrow (U.S. sales only). Simply downsizing my gear. Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:18:22 -0800 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs To: naktalk at naks.com > ... But if the work is top notch it's worth it. But if the same top notch work can be had for half the price or even lower, is it still worth it? My view is that ESL has an advantage in stocking NOS Nakamichi parts and all factory gauges. However, if a specific job does not require these, ESL is not that cost effective. For example, I acquired a CR-7 some years ago. Stephen Sank went over it with a fine tooth comb and performed complete calibration and alignment (he did have a full set of alignment tapes and gauges). I preferred to have ESL do the job, since I live within driving distance from them, but the price difference for doing the exact same job was substantial, so I went with Stephen. Needless to say, he did a superb job. A couple years later, my CR-7 blew an IC in the capstan motor electronics. Stephen sent me a dead capstan motor PCB, gratis, from which I cannibalized that IC. I didn't even ask ESL how much a new IC would cost, but the one from Stephen cost nothing and is still running great, after all these years. Too bad Stephen no longer services Nak decks. -- Ron From: Jeff To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 1:14:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs That's what I had heard too, not cheap!! I had enquired about a CR-7 that had for sale off the site. They wanted over $2k for it. Too much for me at the time. It seems you may pay easily in repairs what you paid for the deck itself or more. But if the work is top notch it's worth it. I've also got a Dragon that could use their deluxe once over. ************************************************* Hi Ken. In answer to your query about ESL: I had my CR7 completely overhauled, parts replaced, and brought back up to factory specs (and probably better than factory specs). They do a terrific job and have a fairly large collection of many original Nak parts for many models. I actually drove there to deliver my CR7, as I only live (luckily) about 2 hours drive-time away, and therefore met them in person. Jeff and his team are the best. However, they are not cheap. You get what you pay for, as they are known world-wide as the best Nak experts. 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Name: ATT00001 URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Mon Feb 1 01:57:39 2010 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:57:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S Premium Gently Used Tapes In-Reply-To: <986100.22439.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100131185739.MP4C2.623618.root@ispmxfep14-z02> Hi folks, I have the following tapes for sale, gently used/non-smoking environment. These are Maxell XLII-S hi-bias tapes. The XLII-S was Maxell's Top Of The Line chrome tape for a LONG time, but it's probably been discontinued for a good 7 years now. Also including a Maxell MX-110 metal tape. This offer has 1 MX 110 metal 7 Maxell XLII-S 90 9 Maxell XLII-S 100 I am asking $60 for everything, price included careful packing and shipping. Thanks for looking I have the following From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 04:41:37 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:41:37 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: SAX Calibration In-Reply-To: References: <452866.72613.qm@web113707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Who was that fella on Naktalk years ago who mentioned he had some 230 different sealed blank cassette tapes. It got me thinking 'hey! that sounds like a neat hobby'. I immediately started collecting and presently have 57 different sealed blank cassette tapes. Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:27:51 +1000 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net To: johngipps at ymail.com; naktalk at naks.com CC: Subject: [naktalk] Re: SAX Calibration Re: SAX Calibration John Thanks for the feedback. The SAX tape is a lone sealed one that I gained from a mixed batch purchased on Ebay. I don’t have any others to try. The SA90 calibrated well at the same time and the MAs are fine. So it looks like the tape itself is faulty. The playback is patchy in spots. Perhaps it was heat affected in storage. Regards David On 31/01/10 11:10 PM, "John Gipps" wrote: Hi David In the case of your ZX-9, it won't be a head wear problem. If you have recently successfully calibrated on MA90 in the ZX position, then the machine will have the capability to calibrate on SAX in the SX position. You have said that you can calibrate on SA in the SX position - so it sounds as though there's probably nothing wrong with the electronics that are associated with selecting the SX bias range. Ram is quite right - you shouldn't be able to calibrate an SAX tape in the ZX position. It would seem that this just leaves the tape to be at fault. While you do hear about new faulty tapes from TDK, I can't remember ever having a new defective SAX - was it a new tape? I can understand your having a problem if the SAX tape was damaged and has a longitudinal crease down the middle or something like that. I suggest you try other TDK SAX's, and make sure your tape path is nice and clean. Just in case you had a malfunction of the SX selector switch - perhaps give it some exercise - change from EX to SX to ZX a dozen times or so - apart from that, I'm out of ideas. Please get back to me when you've played with it a bit more. Regards John Message: 2 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:23:22 +1000 From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] SAX calibration To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" John Your comments on calibrating TDK SAX tape on a 600 came just after I had similar problem on the ZX9 you serviced for me. A SAX90 tape came up to only -10dB but a SA90 tape came up to 0dB easily. MA90 is OK too. I expect that this reflects the head wear you noted unless it is a faulty tape. What would be the effect of calibrating the SAX tape on the Metal setting? 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Name: ATT00001 URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 1 20:26:54 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:26:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 600II owners manual Message-ID: <2cd09ee7a7451230e790bbf6c0f8a1ea.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Ram & other 600II owners, I've scanned the owners manual and placed it on the wiki: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php Enjoy, Wouter ps. 700zxl/e brochure is next From fgiddi at windstream.net Mon Feb 1 12:00:38 2010 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:00:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S Premium Gently Used Tapes In-Reply-To: <20100131185739.MP4C2.623618.root@ispmxfep14-z02> References: <20100131185739.MP4C2.623618.root@ispmxfep14-z02> Message-ID: <4B66B456.7070706@windstream.net> mfallon at windstream.net wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have the following tapes for sale, gently used/non-smoking environment. These are Maxell XLII-S hi-bias tapes. > > The XLII-S was Maxell's Top Of The Line chrome tape for a LONG time, but it's probably been discontinued for a good 7 years now. Also including a Maxell MX-110 metal tape. > > This offer has > 1 MX 110 metal > 7 Maxell XLII-S 90 > 9 Maxell XLII-S 100 > > > I am asking $60 for everything, price included careful packing and shipping. > > Thanks for looking > > I have the following > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Where are you shipping from? Fran Giddings From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 15:28:09 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 06:28:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Problems In-Reply-To: <692D0918564F4801B4BEDDB8198F63CF@asus8an32dlx> References: <571590.44429.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <692D0918564F4801B4BEDDB8198F63CF@asus8an32dlx> Message-ID: <65356.24695.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This could be just about anything, but the first thing I would do is check all power supply outputs. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 8:46:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Problems Hi guys, I bought yesterday a CR7E with a problem. The problem with the deck is that there is no input or output signal at all. In play and record mode the transport runs, so thats looking good. The display also burns but gives no meter signal. With a 400 hz testtone on the input and the input control to source still no signal on the meter. Any idea what to check first? I remember a similar problem with a Nak 582 where a bulb was the problem. Has the CR7E also that kind of technical issues? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j_guerino at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 18:29:09 2010 From: j_guerino at hotmail.com (Jim Guerino) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:29:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs In-Reply-To: <114625.83797.qm@web55105.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <08e001caa0ef$3868f170$a93ad450$@com> <114625.83797.qm@web55105.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I hardily add my endorsement. ESL did my 680 last year and it came back in great shape. Something else to consider is that ESL does a full overhaul done right the first time. How many times do you want to have somebody try to fix it? Each time botching it up worse. ESL was a great experience for me. Give Jeff a call and talk to him. I think he will inspire your confidence. Jim G From: jayson levitz Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 12:07 PM To: ken at the-maestros.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs Hi Ken. In answer to your query about ESL: I had my CR7 completely overhauled, parts replaced, and brought back up to factory specs (and probably better than factory specs). They do a terrific job and have a fairly large collection of many original Nak parts for many models. I actually drove there to deliver my CR7, as I only live (luckily) about 2 hours drive-time away, and therefore met them in person. Jeff and his team are the best. However, they are not cheap. You get what you pay for, as they are known world-wide as the best Nak experts. 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URL: From j_guerino at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 18:29:09 2010 From: j_guerino at hotmail.com (Jim Guerino) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:29:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs In-Reply-To: <114625.83797.qm@web55105.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <08e001caa0ef$3868f170$a93ad450$@com> <114625.83797.qm@web55105.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I hardily add my endorsement. ESL did my 680 last year and it came back in great shape. Something else to consider is that ESL does a full overhaul done right the first time. How many times do you want to have somebody try to fix it? Each time botching it up worse. ESL was a great experience for me. Give Jeff a call and talk to him. I think he will inspire your confidence. Jim G From: jayson levitz Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 12:07 PM To: ken at the-maestros.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs Hi Ken. In answer to your query about ESL: I had my CR7 completely overhauled, parts replaced, and brought back up to factory specs (and probably better than factory specs). They do a terrific job and have a fairly large collection of many original Nak parts for many models. I actually drove there to deliver my CR7, as I only live (luckily) about 2 hours drive-time away, and therefore met them in person. Jeff and his team are the best. However, they are not cheap. You get what you pay for, as they are known world-wide as the best Nak experts. Jayson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Schwarz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 9:27:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs Hi, I have a Nakamichi 680ZX needing repair. I read about Electronics Service Labs in various places in the Internet and see that they have a reputation for excellent work. Can anyone with recent experience using their services please contact me and let me know how it went? Thanks, - Ken ken at the-maestros.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Mon Feb 1 22:32:56 2010 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:32:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S Premium Gently Used Tapes Message-ID: <380-2201021121325628@M2W118.mail2web.com> Sorry, I forgot to include 'shipping within USA only' thanks again' Mike Original Message: ----------------- From: Fran Giddinmgs fgiddi at windstream.net Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:00:38 -0500 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S Premium Gently Used Tapes mfallon at windstream.net wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have the following tapes for sale, gently used/non-smoking environment. These are Maxell XLII-S hi-bias tapes. > > The XLII-S was Maxell's Top Of The Line chrome tape for a LONG time, but it's probably been discontinued for a good 7 years now. Also including a Maxell MX-110 metal tape. > > This offer has > 1 MX 110 metal > 7 Maxell XLII-S 90 > 9 Maxell XLII-S 100 > > > I am asking $60 for everything, price included careful packing and shipping. > > Thanks for looking > > I have the following > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Where are you shipping from? Fran Giddings ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Feb 1 22:51:42 2010 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:51:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Problems References: <571590.44429.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><692D0918564F4801B4BEDDB8198F63CF@asus8an32dlx> <65356.24695.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D3B59726F30426AB751F72A8119C266@asus8an32dlx> Hi Ron, I found on the site a troobleshooting guide for the CR-7 and because of no line input signal and no output signal it seems to me a Muting problem. The manual makes me check Q625 and Q626 on the Logic pcb and indeed the transistor Q626 was gone (Q625 is fine) . Without this transistor the deck starts playing again and the source also works fine. Great , i'm very happy with the result. I will order a new DTC144ES transistor . Is there any simple reason why such a transistor blows away after running fine for many years? Do i have to check all the power outputs again? Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Problems This could be just about anything, but the first thing I would do is check all power supply outputs. -- Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 8:46:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Problems Hi guys, I bought yesterday a CR7E with a problem. The problem with the deck is that there is no input or output signal at all. In play and record mode the transport runs, so thats looking good. The display also burns but gives no meter signal. With a 400 hz testtone on the input and the input control to source still no signal on the meter. Any idea what to check first? I remember a similar problem with a Nak 582 where a bulb was the problem. Has the CR7E also that kind of technical issues? 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Enviado desde mi iPhone El 02/02/2010, a las 05:02, "Paul Chick" escribió: > I have recently acquired a 582 Z, and the first thing I noticed is > that the capstan motor runs continuously even in stop and pause > mode. Is this normal, as my 482 Z shuts off in stop mode ? Also, I > would be grateful to obtain a recommended lubricant for the capstan > shafts as I cannot find any info on the Launa oil listed in the > manual. Regards paul > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 16:24:35 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:24:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Problems In-Reply-To: <3D3B59726F30426AB751F72A8119C266@asus8an32dlx> References: <571590.44429.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><692D0918564F4801B4BEDDB8198F63CF@asus8an32dlx> <65356.24695.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3D3B59726F30426AB751F72A8119C266@asus8an32dlx> Message-ID: <131898.94101.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Norman, Checking the power supplies takes all of two minutes and is good to do whenever there is a non-localized problem. Once the supplies are verified good, I would input a signal and trace it through the circuit. The service manual advice (if no signal, then check muting transistors) worked in your case, because your Q626 indeed was bad, but there are half a zillion other reasons for a no signal condition. Personally, I prefer a methodical approach (Start with 'A' and follow all the way to 'Z'). With this approach, I would have hit the bad transistor in about 10 minutes. I would then also find what caused the transistor to die (transistors don't usually go bad spontaneously) . Just my $0.02. Congratulations on fixing your CR-7. Enjoy the music, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 4:51:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Problems Hi Ron, I found on the site a troobleshooting guide for the CR-7 and because of no line input signal and no output signal it seems to me a Muting problem. The manual makes me check Q625 and Q626 on the Logic pcb and indeed the transistor Q626 was gone (Q625 is fine) . Without this transistor the deck starts playing again and the source also works fine. Great , i'm very happy with the result. I will order a new DTC144ES transistor . Is there any simple reason why such a transistor blows away after running fine for many years? Do i have to check all the power outputs again? Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- >From: Ron >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:28 > PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 > Problems > > > >This could be just about anything, but the first >thing I would do > is check all power supply >outputs. > >-- Ron > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 8:46:18 > AM >Subject: [naktalk] > Nakamichi CR7 Problems > > > >Hi guys, > >I bought yesterday a CR7E with a problem. > The problem with the deck is that there is no input or output signal at all. > In play and record mode the transport runs, so thats looking good. The display > also burns but gives no meter signal. With a 400 hz testtone on the input and > the input control to source still no signal on the meter. >Any idea what to check first? I remember a > similar problem with a Nak 582 where a bulb was the problem. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 16:45:02 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:45:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] capstan motor runs continually In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <293677.96523.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> That's the way is should be, and is true for all higher end Nakamichi decks. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Paul Chick To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 11:02:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] capstan motor runs continually I have recently acquired a 582 Z, and the first thing I noticed is that the capstan motor runs continuously even in stop and pause mode. Is this normal, as my 482 Z shuts off in stop mode ? Also, I would be grateful to obtain a recommended lubricant for the capstan shafts as I cannot find any info on the Launa oil listed in the manual. Regards paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Tue Feb 2 17:14:55 2010 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:14:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem, help needed!!!! Message-ID: <4B684F7F.2030200@hol.gr> About a week ago my second Dragon came up with the following problem: When i tried to perform a manual calibration it would not calibrate tapes that were usually calibrated with no problem.....especially the bias calibration is impossible to perform.....Then i realized that the NAAC motor is heard continuously when the cassette door is opened,and when i playback a pre-recorded tape the NAAC button will flash and become steady after a while but the sound is kind of dull and does not improve during the NAAC process as it should. Having my first Dragon working like a Swiss watch, ever since Willy H. had it serviced last year, i can see and hear the differences using the same tapes for playback and calibration. Last but not least everything happened without warning since i use both decks very often and had similar performance from them in every aspect (playback and calibration). Could it be that the NAAC belt needs replacement and if that could be a possible cure for both problems i face? Any idea would be very much appreciated, regards to all, Manos. From luis at peromarta.org Tue Feb 2 20:11:18 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:11:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem, help needed!!!! In-Reply-To: <4B684F7F.2030200@hol.gr> References: <4B684F7F.2030200@hol.gr> Message-ID: If alignment is good, It could be a slipping azimuth belt, but IT may be The Blue cable is detached from motor or head assy. Enviado desde mi iPhone El 02/02/2010, a las 17:14, "Emmanuel T. Komninos" escribió: > About a week ago my second Dragon came up with the following > problem: When i tried to perform a manual calibration it would not > calibrate tapes that were usually calibrated with no > problem.....especially the bias calibration is impossible to > perform.....Then i realized that the NAAC motor is heard > continuously when the cassette door is opened,and when i playback a > pre-recorded tape the NAAC button will flash and become steady after > a while but the sound is kind of dull and does not improve during > the NAAC process as it should. Having my first Dragon working like > a Swiss watch, ever since Willy H. had it serviced last year, i can > see and hear the differences using the same tapes for playback and > calibration. Last but not least everything happened without warning > since i use both decks very often and had similar performance from > them in every aspect (playback and calibration). Could it be that > the NAAC belt needs replacement and if that could be a possible cure > for both problems i face? Any idea would be very much appreciated, > regards to all, Manos. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Feb 2 20:22:14 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:22:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem, help needed!!!! In-Reply-To: <4B684F7F.2030200@hol.gr> References: <4B684F7F.2030200@hol.gr> Message-ID: <4b6f92901002021122y7e47cdb8led0b6d688de9f3ce@mail.gmail.com> Hi Manos - Does the NAAC motor run continuously or does it stop after a while? If it runs all the time probably one of the motor drive transistors (Q832, Q833) has failed. There are calibrations for the door open center point in both forward and reverse (VR824 forward , VR823 reverse) but I can't imagine how one could have gotten out of adjustment on its own. Willy 2010/2/2 Emmanuel T. Komninos > About a week ago my second Dragon came up with the following problem: When > i tried to perform a manual calibration it would not calibrate tapes that > were usually calibrated with no problem.....especially the bias > calibration is impossible to perform.....Then i realized that the NAAC > motor is heard continuously when the cassette door is opened,and when i > playback a pre-recorded tape the NAAC button will flash and become steady > after a while but the sound is kind of dull and does not improve during the > NAAC process as it should. Having my first Dragon working like a Swiss > watch, ever since Willy H. had it serviced last year, i can see and hear the > differences using the same tapes for playback and calibration. Last but not > least everything happened without warning since i use both decks very often > and had similar performance from them in every aspect (playback and > calibration). Could it be that the NAAC belt needs replacement and if that > could be a possible cure for both problems i face? Any idea would be very > much appreciated, regards to all, Manos. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 20:15:03 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:15:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem, help needed!!!! In-Reply-To: <4B684F7F.2030200@hol.gr> References: <4B684F7F.2030200@hol.gr> Message-ID: <0A22D504-4645-40DC-864A-45264BEE7D2E@gmail.com> hi, Did you clean the playback head.? Was the NAAC belt replaced at last service ? regards Am 02.02.2010 um 17:14 schrieb Emmanuel T. Komninos: > About a week ago my second Dragon came up with the following > problem: When i tried to perform a manual calibration it would not > calibrate tapes that were usually calibrated with no > problem.....especially the bias calibration is impossible to > perform.....Then i realized that the NAAC motor is heard > continuously when the cassette door is opened,and when i playback a > pre-recorded tape the NAAC button will flash and become steady > after a while but the sound is kind of dull and does not improve > during the NAAC process as it should. Having my first Dragon > working like a Swiss watch, ever since Willy H. had it serviced > last year, i can see and hear the differences using the same tapes > for playback and calibration. Last but not least everything > happened without warning since i use both decks very often and had > similar performance from them in every aspect (playback and > calibration). Could it be that the NAAC belt needs replacement and > if that could be a possible cure for both problems i face? Any idea > would be very much appreciated, regards to all, Manos. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 22:28:53 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:28:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem, help needed!!!! In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002021122y7e47cdb8led0b6d688de9f3ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45369.11725.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Manos there is good chance that the Azimuth motor had driven the lever inside the motor assembly to one end and stuck. Now when you open the door - it tries to bring it back to correct location - ie center , but the belt is slipping as the driven wheel does not move. So you head is one location towards azimut max or min. So it will have dull sound and cannot calibrate. Now you have to manually move the big white plastic wheel inside the azimuth motor assembly to bring it back to center and then track properly. Even if it works properly after this - you need to service this part The assembly had to be removed and celaned. You need new rubber belt for this assembly hope this helps your Dragon Kannan --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Willy Hermann wrote: > From: Willy Hermann > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problem, help needed!!!! > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:22 PM > Hi Manos - > Does the NAAC motor run continuously or does it > stop after a while?  If it runs all the time probably one > of the motor drive transistors (Q832, Q833) has failed. >  There are calibrations for the door open center point in > both forward and reverse (VR824 forward , VR823 reverse) but > I can't imagine how one could have gotten out of > adjustment on its own.   > > Willy > > 2010/2/2 Emmanuel T. Komninos > > > About a week ago my second Dragon came up with the > following problem: When i tried to perform a manual > calibration it would not calibrate tapes that were usually > calibrated  with no problem.....especially  the  bias > calibration is  impossible to perform.....Then i realized > that the NAAC motor  is heard continuously when the > cassette door is opened,and when i playback a pre-recorded > tape the NAAC button will flash and become steady after a > while but the sound is kind of dull and does not improve > during the NAAC process  as it should. Having my first > Dragon working like a Swiss watch, ever since Willy H. had > it serviced last year, i can see and hear the differences > using the same tapes for playback and calibration. Last but > not least everything happened without warning since i use > both decks very often and had similar performance from them > in every aspect (playback and calibration). Could it be that > the NAAC belt needs replacement and if that could be a > possible cure for both problems i face? Any idea would be > very much appreciated,  regards to all, Manos. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                       Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Wed Feb 3 00:36:35 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:36:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-1 Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <640157.93448.qm@web80608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chris :  a small Standard screw driver. And now for my sermon on Do It Yourself Electronic Service Safety. Always follow the Golden Rule and unplug the power cord before working on anything electronic...and if it has a big power supply with big capacitors like the old tv's and big power amps , don't even open the case !  Leave the servicing to professionals. We all know how many times we've disobeyed the Rule and most of us are still here but the ones who aren't are all together in some beautiful hazey place standing around with confused looks on their faces , each holding an assorted servicing tool or probe that looks melted or burned on the tip. So...the lesson is... be safe and unplug it first or take it to a professional.        Tom --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Chris Huneke wrote: From: Chris Huneke Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak BX-1 Question To: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 3:44 PM Hi Tom, Thanks very much for the response.  What kind of screw driver should I use:  Phillips or Standard?  I can't tell which i need to use.  Also, can i adjust while playing a cassette or will I shock myself?  Thanks again! chris   Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:36:05 -0800 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-1 Question To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Chris :  yup..you found it, the large hole.  The plastic film is just a dust shield. Use a small screw driver and feel for the slotted screw head inside and turn it ....I think, counter-clockwise , just a tad. Give it a listen and keep at it till you get it just right.     Tom Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. 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Also, I would be grateful to obtain a recommended lubricant for the capstan shafts as I cannot find any info on the Launa oil listed in the manual. Regards paul ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2662 - Release Date: 02/01/10 12:37:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From irenec at mcmedia.com.au Wed Feb 3 03:39:50 2010 From: irenec at mcmedia.com.au (Paul Chick) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:39:50 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] capstan motor runs continually In-Reply-To: <293677.96523.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <242168CA45834BB9841BD0772E62C941@paul1wfcwhwq03> Ron, Many thanks, paul -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 2:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] capstan motor runs continually That's the way is should be, and is true for all higher end Nakamichi decks. -- Ron _____ From: Paul Chick To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 11:02:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] capstan motor runs continually I have recently acquired a 582 Z, and the first thing I noticed is that the capstan motor runs continuously even in stop and pause mode. Is this normal, as my 482 Z shuts off in stop mode ? Also, I would be grateful to obtain a recommended lubricant for the capstan shafts as I cannot find any info on the Launa oil listed in the manual. Regards paul No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2662 - Release Date: 02/01/10 12:37:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Feb 3 07:40:06 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:40:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] S Sank eMail Message-ID: Will somebody please be so kind as to give me Stephen Sank's eMail address. bk11 at thuntek.net gets bounced back to me 'no such address'.You are welcome to do the reply off the list. Many thanks Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Wed Feb 3 10:44:45 2010 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:44:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem, help needed!!!! In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002021122y7e47cdb8led0b6d688de9f3ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B684F7F.2030200@hol.gr> <4b6f92901002021122y7e47cdb8led0b6d688de9f3ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B69458D.7040107@hol.gr> Thank you all for your inputs, i will try and reply in one message my findings: Luis, as far as the alignment concerns i can only say by comparing my 2 Dragons before the problem, and they were almost identical in sound etc....maybe the recently serviced one was a bit "faster" in doing things (calibration and playback adjustment ) The NAAC belt could be the problem as i have not serviced this deck at all, it was bought from ebay Germany 2 and a half years ago and was functioning very well (lucky me!)..As for the blue cable i have no clue how to check..... Gerhard, the playback head is clean but the NAAC belt has not been replaced, it would be very convenient if that could be the cause of both my problems... Willy, i checked the noise and it is continuously heard *only * when the cassette door is opened (whether or not a tape is inserted) If the door is closed the noise stops...Also when i playback a prerecorded tape i do not hear any clicking noise or any NAAC motor noise during the light flashing period....as in the one you serviced! Could this possible transistor failure be connected with both the issues i have? (manual tape calibration, NAAC malfunction)...... How hard it could be for a pro to repair this here in Athens before sending the deck for service, assuming the deck will not need any mechanical/electronic alignment after that .....I will also try and change the NAAC belt anyway, i believe with some good instructions it is not as hard as the rest of the belts, and there is no need to realign the deck after ....... please correct me if i am wrong..... Will look forward to your kind reply, and any other input is very welcomed! Manos PS Willy will i be able to find either Q832 or Q833 or even substitutes? O/H Willy Hermann ??????: > Hi Manos - > > Does the NAAC motor run continuously or does it stop after a while? > If it runs all the time probably one of the motor drive transistors > (Q832, Q833) has failed. There are calibrations for the door open > center point in both forward and reverse (VR824 forward , VR823 > reverse) but I can't imagine how one could have gotten out of > adjustment on its own. > > Willy > > 2010/2/2 Emmanuel T. Komninos > > > About a week ago my second Dragon came up with the following > problem: When i tried to perform a manual calibration it would not > calibrate tapes that were usually calibrated with no > problem.....especially the bias calibration is impossible to > perform.....Then i realized that the NAAC motor is heard > continuously when the cassette door is opened,and when i playback > a pre-recorded tape the NAAC button will flash and become steady > after a while but the sound is kind of dull and does not improve > during the NAAC process as it should. Having my first Dragon > working like a Swiss watch, ever since Willy H. had it serviced > last year, i can see and hear the differences using the same tapes > for playback and calibration. Last but not least everything > happened without warning since i use both decks very often and had > similar performance from them in every aspect (playback and > calibration). Could it be that the NAAC belt needs replacement and > if that could be a possible cure for both problems i face? 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If you have some time to pass more instructions on how to proceed i will very much appreciate it and you can do that off forum directly to my email: koman56 at hol.gr If the NAAC motor can be disassembled and repaired i have a good technician who can do this without damages so i can give it a try.....but with more instructions on how to proceed without damaging anything else......(ie how to get to the NAAC motor assembly etc...) So your kind reply would help me a lot.... I think i could first check what Willy H. suggests, as it sounds easier to do, and if this is not the problem then go to your suggestion...... Again thank you very much, i will be looking forward to your kind reply Manos O/H kannan srinivasaraghavan ??????: > Hi Manos > there is good chance that the Azimuth motor had driven the lever inside the motor assembly to one end and stuck. > Now when you open the door - it tries to bring it back to correct location - ie center , but the belt is slipping as the driven wheel does not move. > > So you head is one location towards azimut max or min. So it will have dull sound and cannot calibrate. Now you have to manually move the big white plastic wheel inside the azimuth motor assembly to bring it back to center and then track properly. Even if it works properly after this - you need to service this part > > The assembly had to be removed and celaned. You need new rubber belt > for this assembly > hope this helps your Dragon > Kannan > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Willy Hermann wrote: > > >> From: Willy Hermann >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problem, help needed!!!! >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:22 PM >> Hi Manos - >> Does the NAAC motor run continuously or does it >> stop after a while? If it runs all the time probably one >> of the motor drive transistors (Q832, Q833) has failed. >> There are calibrations for the door open center point in >> both forward and reverse (VR824 forward , VR823 reverse) but >> I can't imagine how one could have gotten out of >> adjustment on its own. >> >> Willy >> >> 2010/2/2 Emmanuel T. Komninos >> >> >> About a week ago my second Dragon came up with the >> following problem: When i tried to perform a manual >> calibration it would not calibrate tapes that were usually >> calibrated with no problem.....especially the bias >> calibration is impossible to perform.....Then i realized >> that the NAAC motor is heard continuously when the >> cassette door is opened,and when i playback a pre-recorded >> tape the NAAC button will flash and become steady after a >> while but the sound is kind of dull and does not improve >> during the NAAC process as it should. Having my first >> Dragon working like a Swiss watch, ever since Willy H. had >> it serviced last year, i can see and hear the differences >> using the same tapes for playback and calibration. Last but >> not least everything happened without warning since i use >> both decks very often and had similar performance from them >> in every aspect (playback and calibration). Could it be that >> the NAAC belt needs replacement and if that could be a >> possible cure for both problems i face? Any idea would be >> very much appreciated, regards to all, Manos. >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Thu Feb 4 17:35:45 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:35:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem, help needed!!!! In-Reply-To: <4B69458D.7040107@hol.gr> Message-ID: Manos, Check the blue cable by marking a dot on the stainless steel with a Sharpie marker. The NAAC action will move the dot. From your description the center calibration would have had to change, which doesn't seem likely. I believe someone has misaligned the deck to "work" by misadjusting play azimuth and the NAAC centering adjustments because you hear no clicking in play and it sounds good. With the door open and the NAAC clicking, press the reverse play button and tell us what changes. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Emmanuel T. Komninos Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problem, help needed!!!! Thank you all for your inputs, i will try and reply in one message my findings: Luis, as far as the alignment concerns i can only say by comparing my 2 Dragons before the problem, and they were almost identical in sound etc....maybe the recently serviced one was a bit "faster" in doing things (calibration and playback adjustment ) The NAAC belt could be the problem as i have not serviced this deck at all, it was bought from ebay Germany 2 and a half years ago and was functioning very well (lucky me!)..As for the blue cable i have no clue how to check..... Gerhard, the playback head is clean but the NAAC belt has not been replaced, it would be very convenient if that could be the cause of both my problems... Willy, i checked the noise and it is continuously heard only when the cassette door is opened (whether or not a tape is inserted) If the door is closed the noise stops...Also when i playback a prerecorded tape i do not hear any clicking noise or any NAAC motor noise during the light flashing period....as in the one you serviced! Could this possible transistor failure be connected with both the issues i have? (manual tape calibration, NAAC malfunction)...... How hard it could be for a pro to repair this here in Athens before sending the deck for service, assuming the deck will not need any mechanical/electronic alignment after that .....I will also try and change the NAAC belt anyway, i believe with some good instructions it is not as hard as the rest of the belts, and there is no need to realign the deck after ....... please correct me if i am wrong..... Will look forward to your kind reply, and any other input is very welcomed! Manos PS Willy will i be able to find either Q832 or Q833 or even substitutes? O/H Willy Hermann έγραψε: Hi Manos - Does the NAAC motor run continuously or does it stop after a while? If it runs all the time probably one of the motor drive transistors (Q832, Q833) has failed. There are calibrations for the door open center point in both forward and reverse (VR824 forward , VR823 reverse) but I can't imagine how one could have gotten out of adjustment on its own. Willy 2010/2/2 Emmanuel T. Komninos About a week ago my second Dragon came up with the following problem: When i tried to perform a manual calibration it would not calibrate tapes that were usually calibrated with no problem.....especially the bias calibration is impossible to perform.....Then i realized that the NAAC motor is heard continuously when the cassette door is opened,and when i playback a pre-recorded tape the NAAC button will flash and become steady after a while but the sound is kind of dull and does not improve during the NAAC process as it should. Having my first Dragon working like a Swiss watch, ever since Willy H. had it serviced last year, i can see and hear the differences using the same tapes for playback and calibration. Last but not least everything happened without warning since i use both decks very often and had similar performance from them in every aspect (playback and calibration). Could it be that the NAAC belt needs replacement and if that could be a possible cure for both problems i face? 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To change it, use a short screwdriver to remove the 3 screws holding the back bearing plate. Once the plate is off, replace the belt! I would replace the cam belt at the same time. You will not need to perform any speed adjustments. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt Hi everyone, Found a nice looking (very) cheap ZX-9. While turning it on and watching the capstan belt make it's last funky moves the fun was over. So I need to replace the capstan belt. Looking through the archives I only found the same question by Bleus back in 2004 but it was not answered, so how to do this for someone who never did this before? Maybe I missed a thread, but cannot remember.... anyone? Machine looks very good cosmetically, only has not been used for a long time, it's waiting to be revived! Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at birch.net Tue Feb 9 15:51:46 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:51:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A good month for Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Congrats Wouter on your good luck! This month I have purchased an RX-505 and a Dragon for low prices. Perhaps the world economy is causing folks to sell their unused treasures...."CASH for CASSETTES" tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt Hi everyone, Found a nice looking (very) cheap ZX-9. While turning it on and watching the capstan belt make it's last funky moves the fun was over. So I need to replace the capstan belt. Looking through the archives I only found the same question by Bleus back in 2004 but it was not answered, so how to do this for someone who never did this before? Maybe I missed a thread, but cannot remember.... anyone? Machine looks very good cosmetically, only has not been used for a long time, it's waiting to be revived! Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hrameshrao at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 16:01:23 2010 From: hrameshrao at gmail.com (Ramesh Rao) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:31:23 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 670 ZX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Nak friends I procured the Factory Belt kit for 670ZX from Marrscommunications. Thanks to Shanti Ramachandran. Please let me know how can replace these Belts? Any guidance please. Eject button is not working. Regards H Ramesh Rao On 20 January 2010 02:29, Ramesh Rao wrote: > Hi Nak Friends, > > I own Nakamichi 670ZX since last 5 years. I need Belt replacement kits for > the same. Please let me know where can I get genuine parts? > > -- > Regards > H Ramesh Rao > +91 98860 55302 > -- Regards H Ramesh Rao -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 16:04:25 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 07:04:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <168343.93623.qm@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, Its is not very difficult even for a clutz like me to replace the ZX9s capstan belt. You need some short handled screw drivers( preferably right angled) to remove the supply capstans flywheels off the transport and the rest is simple. I ended up removing the under surface cover too to facilitate the belt installation. Make sure you leave the front plate of the ZX9 intact. Thats a monster to put back. Prior to replacing the belt make sure you clean the flywheel and the motors rotor where the belt sits thoroughly with alcohol as the old belt usually leaves its gooey mark on these surfaces if it has dies the way you describe it. Good luck. Ram --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Wouter Heijke wrote: From: Wouter Heijke Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 9:21 AM Hi everyone, Found a nice looking (very) cheap ZX-9. While turning it on and watching the capstan belt make it's last funky moves the fun was over. So I need to replace the capstan belt. Looking through the archives I only found the same question by Bleus back in 2004 but it was not answered, so how to do this for someone who never did this before? Maybe I missed a thread, but cannot remember.... anyone? Machine looks very good cosmetically, only has not been used for a long time, it's waiting to be revived! 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Enviado desde mi iPhone El 09/02/2010, a las 15:21, "Wouter Heijke" escribió: > Hi everyone, > > Found a nice looking (very) cheap ZX-9. > While turning it on and watching the capstan belt make it's last funky > moves the fun was over. > So I need to replace the capstan belt. > > Looking through the archives I only found the same question by Bleus > back > in 2004 but it was not answered, so how to do this for someone who > never > did this before? > Maybe I missed a thread, but cannot remember.... anyone? > > Machine looks very good cosmetically, only has not been used for a > long > time, it's waiting to be revived! > > Wouter > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Feb 9 17:37:01 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:37:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92901002090837o20b072e2rbcc0eb0992158365@mail.gmail.com> You can do it without removing the transport if you have the right tools. You need to unplug and remove the capstan driver board from the back of the transport, then remove the metal plate below it -- four screws. Once off the belt is exposed. I find it easiest to do with the machine on its face. BTW - make sure you get a good belt. The belt makes a huge difference in the wow and flutter of the machine. I know Fred's not your favorite guy but his is the only one I know which meets factory spec. Best of luck. Willy On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Found a nice looking (very) cheap ZX-9. > While turning it on and watching the capstan belt make it's last funky > moves the fun was over. > So I need to replace the capstan belt. > > Looking through the archives I only found the same question by Bleus back > in 2004 but it was not answered, so how to do this for someone who never > did this before? > Maybe I missed a thread, but cannot remember.... anyone? > > Machine looks very good cosmetically, only has not been used for a long > time, it's waiting to be revived! > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Feb 9 17:45:27 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:45:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <377df55941037b1becf60932ede255cf.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Tom, Thanks for the explanation, will give it a try tonight. I think I have a spare ZX-9 capstan belt somewhere.. Wouter > Wouter, > Fred at Marrs has the factory belt for the ZX9. To change it, use a short > screwdriver to remove the 3 screws holding the back bearing plate. Once > the > plate is off, replace the belt! I would replace the cam belt at the same > time. You will not need to perform any speed adjustments. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:21 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt > > > Hi everyone, > > Found a nice looking (very) cheap ZX-9. > While turning it on and watching the capstan belt make it's last funky > moves the fun was over. > So I need to replace the capstan belt. > > Looking through the archives I only found the same question by Bleus back > in 2004 but it was not answered, so how to do this for someone who never > did this before? > Maybe I missed a thread, but cannot remember.... anyone? > > Machine looks very good cosmetically, only has not been used for a long > time, it's waiting to be revived! > > Wouter > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Feb 9 20:47:55 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:47:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002090837o20b072e2rbcc0eb0992158365@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92901002090837o20b072e2rbcc0eb0992158365@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f7340a53b7a2e61495a494ad2031856.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Willy (Ram & Tom), Thanks for the instructions. I will try to document my work with some pictures, changing the belt certainly looks doable. I did not find the belt in my 'stock' so I already contacted Fred for one, I know he is THE person for this! Now all I can do is some cleaning of the flywheels because like Ram suggested the remains of the belt were a bit sticky. I may also remove the front and knobs to give it a good cleaning. Anyway I may bring it to Tom van de Hoff one day to get it fully serviced. Wouter > You can do it without removing the transport if you have the right tools. > You need to unplug and remove the capstan driver board from the back of > the transport, then remove the metal plate below it -- four screws. Once > off the belt is exposed. I find it easiest to do with the machine on its > face. BTW - make sure you get a good belt. The belt makes a huge > difference in the wow and flutter of the machine. I know Fred's not your > favorite guy but his is the only one I know which meets factory spec. > > Best of luck. > > Willy > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Found a nice looking (very) cheap ZX-9. >> While turning it on and watching the capstan belt make it's last funky >> moves the fun was over. >> So I need to replace the capstan belt. >> >> Looking through the archives I only found the same question by Bleus >> back >> in 2004 but it was not answered, so how to do this for someone who never >> did this before? >> Maybe I missed a thread, but cannot remember.... anyone? >> >> Machine looks very good cosmetically, only has not been used for a long >> time, it's waiting to be revived! >> >> Wouter >> From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 9 17:47:02 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:47:02 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] A good month for Naks In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Same here Tom as I encountered my second 700 II and my first 480. However, I'm starting to downsize my gear as presently listed is my Nakamichi RM-20 and Tri-Tracer remotes on Ebay. > From: hitech at birch.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A good month for Naks > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:51:46 -0600 > > Congrats Wouter on your good luck! This month I have purchased an RX-505 and > a Dragon for low prices. Perhaps the world economy is causing folks to sell > their unused treasures...."CASH for CASSETTES" > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:21 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt > > > Hi everyone, > > Found a nice looking (very) cheap ZX-9. > While turning it on and watching the capstan belt make it's last funky > moves the fun was over. > So I need to replace the capstan belt. > > Looking through the archives I only found the same question by Bleus back > in 2004 but it was not answered, so how to do this for someone who never > did this before? > Maybe I missed a thread, but cannot remember.... anyone? > > Machine looks very good cosmetically, only has not been used for a long > time, it's waiting to be revived! > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Tue Feb 9 19:01:40 2010 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:01:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cash for Casettes?? Message-ID: <380-2201022918140975@M2W138.mail2web.com> Clearing out the last of the Maxell XLII (high bias) 'very gently used/no smoking environment' stash of tapes from my Deadhead brother, I am selling batches of 50 Maxell XLII90 and/or XLII 100 tapes for $20 (price includes postage). thanks for looking! Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From hitech at birch.net Tue Feb 9 20:49:20 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:49:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt In-Reply-To: <377df55941037b1becf60932ede255cf.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Wouter, You have all the signs of an optimist! The ZX 9 belt is specific to that deck only. Having one on hand when you don't own the deck is extrodinary! BTW thanks to Willy for mentioning the motor drive board. Bottom line is the transport may remain in place while you change the belt. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt Hi Tom, Thanks for the explanation, will give it a try tonight. I think I have a spare ZX-9 capstan belt somewhere.. Wouter > Wouter, > Fred at Marrs has the factory belt for the ZX9. To change it, use a short > screwdriver to remove the 3 screws holding the back bearing plate. Once > the > plate is off, replace the belt! I would replace the cam belt at the same > time. You will not need to perform any speed adjustments. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:21 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt > > > Hi everyone, > > Found a nice looking (very) cheap ZX-9. > While turning it on and watching the capstan belt make it's last funky > moves the fun was over. > So I need to replace the capstan belt. > > Looking through the archives I only found the same question by Bleus back > in 2004 but it was not answered, so how to do this for someone who never > did this before? > Maybe I missed a thread, but cannot remember.... anyone? > > Machine looks very good cosmetically, only has not been used for a long > time, it's waiting to be revived! > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pennyfarmer at mac.com Wed Feb 10 01:26:58 2010 From: pennyfarmer at mac.com (Penny Farmer) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:26:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cash for Casettes?? In-Reply-To: <380-2201022918140975@M2W138.mail2web.com> References: <380-2201022918140975@M2W138.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <13475B7B-BF94-4D42-B054-8AFADBD1588F@mac.com> I would like to purchase the XLII 90 batch. Please let me know if it is available and if you take Paypal. Thanks, Norm Farmer On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:01 PM, mfallon at windstream.net wrote: > Clearing out the last of the Maxell XLII (high bias) 'very gently > used/no > smoking environment' stash of tapes from my Deadhead brother, I am > selling > batches of 50 Maxell XLII90 and/or XLII 100 tapes for $20 (price > includes > postage). > > thanks for looking! > > Mike > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From spmcmanus at cox.net Wed Feb 10 05:04:45 2010 From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:04:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 user's manual Message-ID: <20100209230445.3KNBP.281437.imail@eastrmwml40> I just bought a nak 680 and I can't find a 680 manual online, please help!!!!! From mfallon at windstream.net Wed Feb 10 05:46:05 2010 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:46:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cash for cassettes Message-ID: <20100209224605.N9ZVS.797551.root@ispmxfep11-z02> overwhelming response!! tapes are gone. those that made it will be contacted. thx Mike From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Feb 10 09:14:50 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:14:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom, The optimistic part has faded after removing the front, yes Ram you were right! Since it was quite dirty I wanted a thorough cleaning... Well continue tonight.. And I once did the same with my Dragon, cannot remember that was so difficult! And yes I have a ZX-9 for many years, this is #2. Wouter > Wouter, > You have all the signs of an optimist! The ZX 9 belt is specific to that > deck only. Having one on hand when you don't own the deck is extrodinary! > BTW thanks to Willy for mentioning the motor drive board. Bottom line is > the > transport may remain in place while you change the belt. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:45 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt > > > Hi Tom, > Thanks for the explanation, will give it a try tonight. > I think I have a spare ZX-9 capstan belt somewhere.. > > Wouter > >> Wouter, >> Fred at Marrs has the factory belt for the ZX9. To change it, use a >> short >> screwdriver to remove the 3 screws holding the back bearing plate. Once >> the >> plate is off, replace the belt! I would replace the cam belt at the >> same >> time. You will not need to perform any speed adjustments. >> >> tom brucker >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Wouter Heijke >> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:21 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Found a nice looking (very) cheap ZX-9. >> While turning it on and watching the capstan belt make it's last funky >> moves the fun was over. >> So I need to replace the capstan belt. >> >> Looking through the archives I only found the same question by Bleus >> back >> in 2004 but it was not answered, so how to do this for someone who never >> did this before? >> Maybe I missed a thread, but cannot remember.... anyone? >> >> Machine looks very good cosmetically, only has not been used for a long >> time, it's waiting to be revived! >> >> Wouter >> From gjgkerrtx at windstream.net Wed Feb 10 10:12:59 2010 From: gjgkerrtx at windstream.net (jerry) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:12:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray Message-ID: Hi there everyone. Took my long neglected Nak RX 303 and fired it up. It didnt want to Play or Auto-Reverse, and not being one likely to pay for costly repairs, especially on a machine I got for a song( pun intended) I sprayed 'CRC Heavy Duty Silicon" lubricant inside. I have done this before with this machine with the same results a long time ago. Now the machine is operating very well, althouhg I did discoler the outside a bot with the Silicone. Now am listening to The Cat-" Morning Has Broken" on an old frioeign recorded "URO" casstete. Very sweet sound. You can hear where the mastered it off an LP! Question- is the silicone going to gum up the works as it seememd to do . I expect it will. No matter, I'll just spray more! -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 10:41:52 2010 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:41:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680 user's manual In-Reply-To: <20100209230445.3KNBP.281437.imail@eastrmwml40> References: <20100209230445.3KNBP.281437.imail@eastrmwml40> Message-ID: <518b7b11002100141y4d29b62i73d70d9f656f6aca@mail.gmail.com> Did you check out the naks.com wiki link which is at the bottom of every post ? On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:04 AM, wrote: > I just bought a nak 680 and I can't find a 680 manual online, please > help!!!!! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 12:29:23 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:29:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I highly advise AGAINST using silicone spray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It gets into all kinds of places where it should not be. Disassemble mechanisms and remove old, gummy lubricants. Then relubricate with various densities of greases and oils. I know it takes longer that way, but it is the ONLY correct solution. Fred Longworth Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:12 AM, jerry wrote: > Hi there everyone. Took my long neglected Nak RX 303 and fired it up. It > didnt want to Play or Auto-Reverse, and not being one likely to pay for > costly repairs, especially on a machine I got for a song( pun intended) I > sprayed 'CRC Heavy Duty Silicon" lubricant inside. > I have done this before with this machine with the same results a long time > ago. Now the machine is operating very well, althouhg I did discoler the > outside a bot with the Silicone. > Now am listening to The Cat-" Morning Has Broken" on an old frioeign > recorded "URO" casstete. Very sweet sound. You can hear where the mastered > it off an LP! > > Question- is the silicone going to gum up the works as it seememd to do . I > expect it will. No matter, I'll just spray more! > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Wed Feb 10 15:57:44 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:57:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One can never have too many nakamichis. I am watching two 700II with reasonable shipping on eBay right now! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt Hi Tom, The optimistic part has faded after removing the front, yes Ram you were right! Since it was quite dirty I wanted a thorough cleaning... Well continue tonight.. And I once did the same with my Dragon, cannot remember that was so difficult! And yes I have a ZX-9 for many years, this is #2. Wouter > Wouter, > You have all the signs of an optimist! The ZX 9 belt is specific to that > deck only. Having one on hand when you don't own the deck is extrodinary! > BTW thanks to Willy for mentioning the motor drive board. Bottom line is > the > transport may remain in place while you change the belt. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:45 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt > > > Hi Tom, > Thanks for the explanation, will give it a try tonight. > I think I have a spare ZX-9 capstan belt somewhere.. > > Wouter > >> Wouter, >> Fred at Marrs has the factory belt for the ZX9. To change it, use a >> short >> screwdriver to remove the 3 screws holding the back bearing plate. Once >> the >> plate is off, replace the belt! I would replace the cam belt at the >> same >> time. You will not need to perform any speed adjustments. >> >> tom brucker >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Wouter Heijke >> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:21 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Found a nice looking (very) cheap ZX-9. >> While turning it on and watching the capstan belt make it's last funky >> moves the fun was over. >> So I need to replace the capstan belt. >> >> Looking through the archives I only found the same question by Bleus >> back >> in 2004 but it was not answered, so how to do this for someone who never >> did this before? >> Maybe I missed a thread, but cannot remember.... anyone? >> >> Machine looks very good cosmetically, only has not been used for a long >> time, it's waiting to be revived! >> >> Wouter >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Feb 10 16:15:18 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:15:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680 user's manual In-Reply-To: <20100209230445.3KNBP.281437.imail@eastrmwml40> References: <20100209230445.3KNBP.281437.imail@eastrmwml40> Message-ID: <951695.53756.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am emailing the 680 Owner's manual. It's almost 3MB. Let me know if it's too large for your email account -- I can split it into two or three parts. Regards, -- Ron ________________________________ From: "spmcmanus at cox.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 11:04:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] 680 user's manual I just bought a nak 680 and I can't find a 680 manual online, please help!!!!! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Ram --- On Wed, 2/10/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:57 AM One can never have too many nakamichis. I am watching two 700II with reasonable shipping on eBay right now! tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Wed Feb 10 19:23:15 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:23:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt In-Reply-To: <773376.42323.qm@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <773376.42323.qm@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KXN0093C1QT41Q1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> You're single, aren't you? hahaha At 11:19 AM 2/10/2010, you wrote: >My Current inventory( sorry collection) includes a 600 II,700ZXE, 2 >10000ZXLs( one with DD Dragon motor), 1 1000ZXL Limited, 3 Dragons, >2 Cr7s, 1 680ZX, 1 682ZX, 2 ZX-9s,......wait and one 670ZX I just >won on ebay....besides a Tandberg 3014A and a Alpine AL-90( aka >Luxman K-05). I hope I have not forgotten any! Apologize if I have. > >Too many Naks or decks? Heck no! There's never too many. Keep em coming. > >Regards, > >Ram > > > >--- On Wed, 2/10/10, tom brucker wrote: > >From: tom brucker >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:57 AM > >One can never have too many nakamichis. I am watching two 700II with >reasonable shipping on eBay right now! > >tom brucker > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Feb 10 20:42:34 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:42:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] fred's belts Message-ID: <2e3972d07313cc4f05bbe35137baf03e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Had contact with Fred today about the ZX-9 belt, it is on it's way! Fred also had some news: "Please let everyone know, I have the Factory 80034-D5 ( Sankyo BX-100 ect ) on the way. This means I have factory capstan belts available for ALL Nak models EXCEPT, the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, 600II, ( oco-3668 ) and 1000, 1000II, 700 and 700II ( oco-5104A ). The D5 should be available in 60 days." Wouter From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 10 21:27:24 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:27:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt In-Reply-To: <0KXN0093C1QT41Q1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <809427.98974.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> No Roland, I am happily married ( 23 years and counting) with three adult children( 2 in college) The Naks and other decks are my adopted children! Ram --- On Wed, 2/10/10, Roland wrote: From: Roland Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 1:23 PM You're single, aren't you?  hahaha At 11:19 AM 2/10/2010, you wrote: My Current inventory( sorry collection) includes a 600 II,700ZXE, 2 10000ZXLs( one with DD Dragon motor), 1 1000ZXL Limited, 3 Dragons, 2 Cr7s, 1 680ZX, 1 682ZX, 2 ZX-9s,......wait and one 670ZX I just won on ebay....besides a Tandberg 3014A and a Alpine AL-90( aka Luxman K-05). I hope I have not forgotten any! Apologize if I have. Too many Naks or decks? Heck no! There's never too many. Keep em coming. Regards, Ram --- On Wed, 2/10/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:57 AM One can never have too many nakamichis. I am watching two 700II with reasonable shipping on eBay right now! tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Wed Feb 10 23:04:54 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:04:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt In-Reply-To: <809427.98974.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <0KXN0093C1QT41Q1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> <809427.98974.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KXN00GJFC03Z5G1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> hahaha, I need to talk with the wife about adopting!! At 03:27 PM 2/10/2010, you wrote: >No Roland, > >I am happily married ( 23 years and counting) with three adult >children( 2 in college) > >The Naks and other decks are my adopted children! > >Ram > >--- On Wed, 2/10/10, Roland wrote: > >From: Roland >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 1:23 PM > >You're single, aren't you? hahaha > > >At 11:19 AM 2/10/2010, you wrote: >>My Current inventory( sorry collection) includes a 600 II,700ZXE, 2 >>10000ZXLs( one with DD Dragon motor), 1 1000ZXL Limited, 3 Dragons, >>2 Cr7s, 1 680ZX, 1 682ZX, 2 ZX-9s,......wait and one 670ZX I just >>won on ebay....besides a Tandberg 3014A and a Alpine AL-90( aka >>Luxman K-05). I hope I have not forgotten any! Apologize if I have. >> >>Too many Naks or decks? Heck no! There's never too many. Keep em coming. >> >>Regards, >> >>Ram >> >> >> >>--- On Wed, 2/10/10, tom brucker wrote: >>From: tom brucker >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replace ZX-9 capstan belt >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:57 AM >>One can never have too many nakamichis. I am watching two 700II with >>reasonable shipping on eBay right now! >>tom brucker >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Roland > >When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 04:00:32 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:00:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray In-Reply-To: <201002101640.o1AGVqac010031@zxe.naks.com> References: <201002101640.o1AGVqac010031@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <724489.58063.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Absolutely agree...using silicone spray inside these deck is analogous to putting a fire out with gasoline. The RX-505 I bought had exactly that treatment done and it did nothing to help-just cost me hrs upon hrs of cleaning in places I shouldn't have been. Maybe the RX-505 I bought on ebay came from the OP....? Hopefully he was joking. If he wasn't, I'd refrain from giving him any additional advice. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:29:23 -0800 From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I highly advise AGAINST using silicone spray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It gets into all kinds of places where it should not be. Disassemble mechanisms and remove old, gummy lubricants. Then relubricate with various densities of greases and oils. I know it takes longer that way, but it is the ONLY correct solution. Fred Longworth Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:12 AM, jerry wrote: > Hi there everyone. Took my long neglected Nak RX 303 and fired it up. It > didnt want to Play or Auto-Reverse, and not being one likely to pay for > costly repairs, especially on a machine I got for a song( pun intended) I > sprayed 'CRC Heavy Duty Silicon" lubricant inside. > I have done this before with this machine with the same results a long time > ago. Now the machine is operating very well, althouhg I did discoler the > outside a bot with the Silicone. > Now am listening to The Cat-" Morning Has Broken" on an old frioeign > recorded "URO" casstete. Very sweet sound. You can hear where the mastered > it off an LP! > > Question- is the silicone going to gum up the works as it seememd to do . I > expect it will. No matter, I'll just spray more! ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at windstream.net Thu Feb 11 07:02:24 2010 From: gjgkerrtx at windstream.net (jerry) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:02:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE; RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray Message-ID: I wasn't Joking. Relax, I never sold anybody a RX505. This is the new millenia, surely there must be something I can spray in there to free a sticky mechanism, I mean , c'mon. It may not be Silicone, I'll grant you that, and i do feel guilty about it, but as long as it works..ya know? Anyhow, there must be something..some space age lubicant or plain ol fashiond graphite or something for gods sake? We sent a man to the moon ( well, to be honest, I didn't have much to do with that), so you can't tel;l me there isnt something to spray in there! (Man was that Nak sweet last night through my set of AudioTechnica K721's headphones!~) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 16:17:24 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:17:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray In-Reply-To: <201002111117.o1BB8Ps2014821@zxe.naks.com> References: <201002111117.o1BB8Ps2014821@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <211775.94640.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> This is 'new millennium' laziness/thinking at its worse. Expecting science & technology to give you a pill or a quick squirt of something to relieve your woes. It belittles the work of good techs and advanced DIYers. Eventually, if you keep your unit, somebody will have to undo all the 'fixing' you haven't done, but think you've done. You can't bring life back to idler tires, belts and blown electronics with silicone or graphite spray. Good luck with your 'repairs'. Kevin Message: 7 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:02:24 -0600 From: jerry Subject: [naktalk] RE; RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes I wasn't Joking. Relax, I never sold anybody a RX505. This is the new millenia, surely there must be something I can spray in there to free a sticky mechanism, I mean , c'mon. It may not be Silicone, I'll grant you that, and i do feel guilty about it, but as long as it works..ya know? Anyhow, there must be something..some space age lubicant or plain ol fashiond graphite or something for gods sake? We sent a man to the moon ( well, to be honest, I didn't have much to do with that), so you can't tel;l me there isnt something to spray in there! (Man was that Nak sweet last night through my set of AudioTechnica K721's headphones!~) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 16:37:57 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:37:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE; RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <119327.53582.qm@web55108.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Jerry, Caig Laboratories (phone: 800 Caig 123) makes a spray called DeoxIT.  Besides being better than your average contact cleaner, it also chemically improves electrical connections. Even though it is expensive, many Naktalkers use it and swear by it.  It is available at Radio Shack.   Jayson   ________________________________ From: jerry To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 1:02:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE; RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray I wasn't Joking. Relax, I never sold anybody a RX505. This is the new millenia, surely there must be something I can spray in there to free a sticky mechanism, I mean , c'mon. It may not be Silicone, I'll grant you that, and i do feel guilty about it, but as long as it works..ya know? Anyhow, there must be something..some space age lubicant or plain ol fashiond graphite or something  for gods sake? We sent a man to the moon ( well, to be honest, I didn't have much to do with that), so you can't tel;l me there isnt something to spray in there! (Man was that Nak sweet last night through my set of AudioTechnica K721's headphones!~) --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------=========         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Feb 11 17:30:43 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:30:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE; RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92901002110830g7faf2899kd5cf98ee17b64977@mail.gmail.com> You can't spray anything "in there" without getting it spread too widely. The parts which are sticky are the rocker arms for the *pinch rollers.* The pinch rollers have to stay clean to have the proper frictional contact with the tape to make the system work. Until we come up with a spray which magically knows where to go and where not to go you're stuck with disassembling it and doing it the right way. I too have repaired units which have had lubricants sprayed everywhere and they become far more difficult to renovate. Sorry Jerry - your "fix" doesn't get the seal of approval! Willy On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:02 PM, jerry wrote: > I wasn't Joking. Relax, I never sold anybody a RX505. > This is the new millenia, surely there must be something I can spray in > there to free a sticky mechanism, I mean , c'mon. > It may not be Silicone, I'll grant you that, and i do feel guilty about it, > but as long as it works..ya know? > Anyhow, there must be something..some space age lubicant or plain ol > fashiond graphite or something for gods sake? > We sent a man to the moon ( well, to be honest, I didn't have much to do > with that), so you can't tel;l me there isnt something to spray in there! > (Man was that Nak sweet last night through my set of AudioTechnica K721's > headphones!~) > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 11 17:39:25 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:39:25 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray In-Reply-To: <211775.94640.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <201002111117.o1BB8Ps2014821@zxe.naks.com>, <211775.94640.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For the record and I don't believe it's been mentioned on this forum - Idler tires I have cleaned with a surgical cotton swab and distilled water. Results have been 'at least a little luck' or 'temporary fix' in eliminating the grinding sound at the end of FF and REW. Don't really know the long term effects. Presently own too many Nak cassette decks but play them periodically to keep them to life. The remotes on Ebay sold. The Tri-Tracer for $76 and the RM-20 for $224. Listing more equipment Sunday night as I'm simply downsizing my gear (U.S.A. sales only). Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:17:24 -0800 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray To: naktalk at naks.com This is 'new millennium' laziness/thinking at its worse. Expecting science & technology to give you a pill or a quick squirt of something to relieve your woes. It belittles the work of good techs and advanced DIYers. Eventually, if you keep your unit, somebody will have to undo all the 'fixing' you haven't done, but think you've done. You can't bring life back to idler tires, belts and blown electronics with silicone or graphite spray. Good luck with your 'repairs'. Kevin Message: 7 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:02:24 -0600 From: jerry Subject: [naktalk] RE; RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes I wasn't Joking. Relax, I never sold anybody a RX505. This is the new millenia, surely there must be something I can spray in there to free a sticky mechanism, I mean , c'mon. It may not be Silicone, I'll grant you that, and i do feel guilty about it, but as long as it works..ya know? Anyhow, there must be something..some space age lubicant or plain ol fashiond graphite or something for gods sake? We sent a man to the moon ( well, to be honest, I didn't have much to do with that), so you can't tel;l me there isnt something to spray in there! (Man was that Nak sweet last night through my set of AudioTechnica K721's headphones!~) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 18:01:12 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:01:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE; RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The problem is that "freeing a sticky mechanism" is treating symptoms, not causes. A spray-on lubricant goes *on top of* existing lubricants that have hardened and turned to gummy-goo or bubble gum. So, as best, the mechanism will "work" until the new lubricant dries up or runs away from critical points -- and then the sticky lubricants will take over. As I said before, the correct solution is to *remove the original lubricants using a combination of scraping and industrial solvents*. And this requires *that the mechanisms be disassembled*. Unfortunately, when you spray something on the tape drive, capillary action causes the chemical to get sucked into numerous nooks and crannies of the mechanism, so that the mechanism can "hold" a load of spray lubricant. This means that a technician can go over the mechanism with a handful of q-tips and denatured alcohol, and it will seem like the spray lubricant has been cleaned out, but gradually it leaches out onto the mechanism. Here's the kicker. *Many portions of tape drives do not require LESS FRICTION. They require MORE FRICTION. *Thus the spray lubricant that, on one portion of the tape drive, frees up sticky mechanisms gets all over parts in another part of the mechanism and causes critical frictions to decrease -- resulting in a secondary malfunction, usually a speed problem, eating tapes, or failure to FF or REW under heavier loads. Spray lubricants cannot be precisely targeted so that they will only fall on the sticky mechanisms and avoid the portions of the tape drive where less friction will get you in trouble. Every technician has tried this, and every technician has been disappointed. The reason for this is because of * overspray* and because spray lubricants, as noted above, are held in nooks and crannies, and *spray lubricants like to migrate from these nooks and crannies into other parts of the tape drive*. I have repaired cassette decks since 1972, and every time a customer brings in a cassette deck with spray lubricant gleaming all over the tape drive my heart sinks. I know that *the customer isn't wanting to pay me for a ten-day fix -- he or she is looking for a repair that lasts for years*. So I am going to have to clean out ALL the spray lubricant. Often a $100 repair job has thus turned into a $200 repair job just because of the silicone lube or WD-40. Fred Longworth Owner Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:02 PM, jerry wrote: > I wasn't Joking. Relax, I never sold anybody a RX505. > This is the new millenia, surely there must be something I can spray in > there to free a sticky mechanism, I mean , c'mon. > It may not be Silicone, I'll grant you that, and i do feel guilty about it, > but as long as it works..ya know? > Anyhow, there must be something..some space age lubicant or plain ol > fashiond graphite or something for gods sake? > We sent a man to the moon ( well, to be honest, I didn't have much to do > with that), so you can't tel;l me there isnt something to spray in there! > (Man was that Nak sweet last night through my set of AudioTechnica K721's > headphones!~) > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jayson From: jerry To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 1:02:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE; RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray I wasn't Joking. Relax, I never sold anybody a RX505. This is the new millenia, surely there must be something I can spray in there to free a sticky mechanism, I mean , c'mon. It may not be Silicone, I'll grant you that, and i do feel guilty about it, but as long as it works..ya know? Anyhow, there must be something..some space age lubicant or plain ol fashiond graphite or something for gods sake? We sent a man to the moon ( well, to be honest, I didn't have much to do with that), so you can't tel;l me there isnt something to spray in there! (Man was that Nak sweet last night through my set of AudioTechnica K721's headphones!~) --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 18:26:25 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:26:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE; RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <982451.2668.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My approach isn't exactly popular, but I prefer to take things apart whenever possible and then clean locally. Disclamers: I am very careful not to do anything that will void adjustments, especially those that require tools that I do have. Also, I do not go overboard with this (and, so far, never did). Once I have a part in my hand, I clean with MEK (careful, this is vile stuff. Never breath the fumes. MEK cuts through any organic material, which is what your lungs are). After re-assembly, I lubricate with the appropriate lubricant, at the exact spot it's needed. The end result is a mechanism that works like new. I apply this philosophy not just to cassette decks, but also to r-t-r decks, turntables, stuck switches and/or potentiometers and just about anything mechanical. Just my $0.02, -- Ron ________________________________ From: jerry To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 1:02:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE; RE: Freeing Sticky Mechanism with Silicon Spray I wasn't Joking. Relax, I never sold anybody a RX505. This is the new millenia, surely there must be something I can spray in there to free a sticky mechanism, I mean , c'mon. It may not be Silicone, I'll grant you that, and i do feel guilty about it, but as long as it works..ya know? Anyhow, there must be something..some space age lubicant or plain ol fashiond graphite or something for gods sake? We sent a man to the moon ( well, to be honest, I didn't have much to do with that), so you can't tel;l me there isnt something to spray in there! (Man was that Nak sweet last night through my set of AudioTechnica K721's headphones!~) --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckdawson at cableone.net Fri Feb 12 00:12:51 2010 From: ckdawson at cableone.net (ckdawson) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:12:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? Message-ID: <77F3E1ECA9AE460499AE832B07A27200@micron> Hi all, Anyone seen or used this tape before? http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQitemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From irenec at mcmedia.com.au Fri Feb 12 00:50:09 2010 From: irenec at mcmedia.com.au (Paul Chick) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:50:09 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] What Oils and Greases and Where Message-ID: <1E46B80DEB054B269A20949CFF4A9119@paul1wfcwhwq03> I have 2 Naks on the bench at the moment, and I can find no info on the lubricants mentioned in the manuals. I would appreciate guidance on suitable easily sourced materials and their applications, also the significance of the stuff on various springs. Paul. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 12:36:39 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:36:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] What Oils and Greases and Where In-Reply-To: <1E46B80DEB054B269A20949CFF4A9119@paul1wfcwhwq03> References: <1E46B80DEB054B269A20949CFF4A9119@paul1wfcwhwq03> Message-ID: http://www.gcelectronics.com/order/SubCatPDF/lubricants%2048-49.pdf Here are a number of popular lubricants for the hobbiest or service professional. Molybdenum grease (the thick gray stuff) can be purchased at the auto parts store. I strongly recommend White Lithium Grease, Phonolube, Teles-Oiler and Pocket Oiler. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Paul Chick wrote: > I have 2 Naks on the bench at the moment, and I can find no info on the > lubricants mentioned in the manuals. I would appreciate guidance on suitable > easily sourced materials and their applications, also the significance of > the stuff on various springs. Paul. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ericeholtz at yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 14:41:21 2010 From: ericeholtz at yahoo.com (eric holtz) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:41:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] What Oils and Greases and Where In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <202381.82379.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hello, Thank you Mr. Longworth for the GC Electronics link and your personal tips. What would you recommend for a plastic cam assembly? I have DeoxIT, X109 Precision Instrument Oil; two different pin-point syringes with light weight oil; 100% pure silicone dressing gel. Would one of these be appropriate for the cam lobe/gear or would one of GC lubricants be much better? --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Oils and Greases and Where To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 5:36 AM http://www.gcelectronics.com/order/SubCatPDF/lubricants%2048-49.pdf Here are a number of popular lubricants for the hobbiest or service professional. Molybdenum grease (the thick gray stuff) can be purchased at the auto parts store. I strongly recommend White Lithium Grease, Phonolube, Teles-Oiler and Pocket Oiler. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Paul Chick wrote: I have 2 Naks on the bench at the moment, and I can find no info on the lubricants mentioned in the manuals. I would appreciate guidance on suitable easily sourced materials and their applications, also the significance of the stuff on various springs. 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To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 6:12 PM Hi all,       Anyone seen or used this tape before?   http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQitemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a   Keith -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.desaulniers at videotron.ca Sat Feb 13 01:45:12 2010 From: donald.desaulniers at videotron.ca (Donald Desaulniers) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:45:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 jamming problem Message-ID: <002901caac45$cd373a30$67a5ae90$%desaulniers@videotron.ca> To all, Thank you for the helpful tips and support with the LX3 rehab project. Special thanks go out to Jeff Galin of ESL for parts and helpful advice. As expected the pinch rollers of 25 year old LX3 were jammed solid. After freeing up the pinch rollers, I put the 2 tension springs back into place and gave the arms a modest Lube job. The tape mechanism seems to run as expected in Play mode now that the pinch rollers are cleaned and working properly. However, when I press STOP, the mechanism jams. It appears that the SS pivot shaft of the Pinch roller on the take up reel side gets caught in a hole on the aluminum plate of the movable drive mechanism. While I am convinced that I did not disturb anything in the process of cleaning the Pinch Rollers, I may have inadvertently put something out of alignment. I noticed that the brass bushing at the end of the pivot is now a few millimetres from the end of the shaft. It is the protruding end of the SS Shaft that I suspect is the cause of the jamming. To free up the mechanisms I must push it forward before it will assume its normal position. It should mention that, I also did the adjustments using the onboard VR according to the Service Manual. Any ideas to fix this jam are welcome. Best regards, Donald Desaulniers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sat Feb 13 13:55:06 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] What oils and greases and where? Message-ID: <606650528.4129951266065706289.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Phonolube is superb for plastic cams and gears on sliding parts. It's a very clean white light grease that stays put and offers almost no resistance. I use the pen oiler from radio shack which is a somewhat viscous ptfe lube for shafts and such. The only exception is on the capstans and pressure rollers that have oil impregnated sintered bronze porous bearings where I use a drop of sewing machine oil. It's the least viscouse and is readily absorbed by the bearing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 14:35:59 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:35:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 jamming problem In-Reply-To: <002901caac45$cd373a30$67a5ae90$%desaulniers@videotron.ca> References: <002901caac45$cd373a30$67a5ae90$%desaulniers@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Are the pinch roller arms free-moving? In other words, the pinch rollers are mounted in frames. The frames extend just under an inch to *pivot bearings*. These pivot bearings are chronically getting gummed up -- or even frozen! The test for this is (in STOP mode) to insert a hook tool under the pinch rollers and lift them up. If things are okay, they should lift up about 1/4", and when released *spring back down*. If the pivot bearings are gummed up, it will be hard to lift the pinch roller up, and when released it will not spring back down. As the problem worsens, the shaft portion of the pivot bearing (which is itself force-fit into the head base assembly) will begin to work loose, due to large forces exerted on it by the control cam. As it works loose, it will slip outward (move toward the front of the machine), causing a severe tape path alignment problem. Disassembling, cleaning out gunked-up grease, and reassembling is a major job -- and requires (to do it totally correct) an alignment jig and alignment tapes. Hope this information helps. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Donald Desaulniers < donald.desaulniers at videotron.ca> wrote: > To all, > > > > Thank you for the helpful tips and support with the LX3 rehab project. > Special thanks go out to Jeff Galin of ESL for parts and helpful advice. > > > > As expected the pinch rollers of 25 year old LX3 were jammed solid. After > freeing up the pinch rollers, I put the 2 tension springs back into place > and gave the arms a modest Lube job. > > > > The tape mechanism seems to run as expected in Play mode now that the pinch > rollers are cleaned and working properly. However, when I press STOP, the > mechanism jams. It appears that the SS pivot shaft of the Pinch roller on > the take up reel side gets caught in a hole on the aluminum plate of the > movable drive mechanism. > > > > While I am convinced that I did not disturb anything in the process of > cleaning the Pinch Rollers, I may have inadvertently put something out of > alignment. I noticed that the brass bushing at the end of the pivot is now a > few millimetres from the end of the shaft. It is the protruding end of the > SS Shaft that I suspect is the cause of the jamming. > > > > To free up the mechanisms I must push it forward before it will assume its > normal position. It should mention that, I also did the adjustments using > the onboard VR according to the Service Manual. > > > > Any ideas to fix this jam are welcome. > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Donald Desaulniers > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 14:41:16 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:41:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] What Oils and Greases and Where In-Reply-To: <202381.82379.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <202381.82379.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For the pivot bearing for the entire cam assembly, I recommend a *very light grease or a heavy oil*, and for the track or lobes on the cam I recommend *a medium-viscosity grease. *Make sure all the original, gummed-up grease is cleaned off. When the cam has been removed for cleaning/relubrication, operate all the *cam followers* manually to see if they are free-moving. Clean and lube all the followers as necessary. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 5:41 AM, eric holtz wrote: > Hello, > Thank you Mr. Longworth for the GC Electronics link and your personal tips. > What would you recommend for a *plastic cam assembly*? I have DeoxIT, X109 > *Precision Instrument* *Oil*; two different pin-point syringes with *light > weight oil*; 100% pure *silicone dressing gel*. Would one of these be > appropriate for the *cam lobe/gear *or would one of GC lubricants be much > better? > --- On *Fri, 2/12/10, Fred Longworth *wrote: > > > From: Fred Longworth > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Oils and Greases and Where > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 5:36 AM > > > http://www.gcelectronics.com/order/SubCatPDF/lubricants%2048-49.pdf > > Here are a number of popular lubricants for the hobbiest or service > professional. Molybdenum grease (the thick gray stuff) can be purchased at > the auto parts store. I strongly recommend White Lithium Grease, Phonolube, > Teles-Oiler and Pocket Oiler. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Paul Chick > > wrote: > >> I have 2 Naks on the bench at the moment, and I can find no info on the >> lubricants mentioned in the manuals. I would appreciate guidance on suitable >> easily sourced materials and their applications, also the significance of >> the stuff on various springs. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 15:07:09 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:07:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? In-Reply-To: <77F3E1ECA9AE460499AE832B07A27200@micron> References: <77F3E1ECA9AE460499AE832B07A27200@micron> Message-ID: Haven't seen these before. The question I would ask is, are they true CrO2 tapes, or simply tapes that use the "chrome" setting on the bias and EQ switches? The reason I say this is that tapes like TDK SA, Sony High Bias, and Maxell UDXL II use the chrome positions on the bias and EQ switches, but these tape are chemically not chromium dioxide -- rather they are made of "cobalt ion irradiated gamma ferric oxide" or similar, and in all cases these formulations use polished particles in the active tape emulsion. True chromium dioxide tapes came and went . . . and one reason for this is that the CrO2 turned out to be very *hard* on the Mohs hardness scale (or similar index) -- and so the CrO2 tapes tended to cause accelerated tape head wear. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM, ckdawson wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone seen or used this tape before? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQitemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a > > Keith > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are molded rather than screwed and these tapes get eaten and cause transport issues and are not dealing with. I have used similar bulk TDK tapes and they in short "stink". Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 2/11/10, ckdawson wrote: From: ckdawson Subject: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 6:12 PM Hi all,       Anyone seen or used this tape before?   http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQitemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a   Keith -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think the prices are lower; I can't compare the tape stock, but I've had no issues with the National product. (No connection to them, I'm just a customer). www.nationalaudiocompany.com Jim Tuller From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sat Feb 13 19:10:19 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:10:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? Message-ID: Naktalkers! Any opinions about Maxell MX-S and Sony Metal XR? Any input is welcome/Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.desaulniers at videotron.ca Sun Feb 14 02:48:47 2010 From: donald.desaulniers at videotron.ca (Donald Desaulniers) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:48:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 jamming problem FIXED In-Reply-To: References: <002901caac45$cd373a30$67a5ae90$%desaulniers@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <006901caad17$d9c10880$8d431980$%desaulniers@videotron.ca> Fred, Thanks for the helpful tips. After turning the shaft by the brass bushing, I coaxed it back toward the back of the machine. It seems to have moved back enough to resolve the problem of sticking at the shaft. The tape seems to work fine now. What is the next step calibrate with a Standard tape to adjust the capstan motor speed. Where can I find a calibration tape? Donald cid:image003.png at 01C9F0C1.1349AE40 mailto:donald.desaulniers at videotron.ca From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: 13 février 2010 08:36 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 jamming problem Are the pinch roller arms free-moving? In other words, the pinch rollers are mounted in frames. The frames extend just under an inch to pivot bearings. These pivot bearings are chronically getting gummed up -- or even frozen! The test for this is (in STOP mode) to insert a hook tool under the pinch rollers and lift them up. If things are okay, they should lift up about 1/4", and when released spring back down. If the pivot bearings are gummed up, it will be hard to lift the pinch roller up, and when released it will not spring back down. As the problem worsens, the shaft portion of the pivot bearing (which is itself force-fit into the head base assembly) will begin to work loose, due to large forces exerted on it by the control cam. As it works loose, it will slip outward (move toward the front of the machine), causing a severe tape path alignment problem. Disassembling, cleaning out gunked-up grease, and reassembling is a major job -- and requires (to do it totally correct) an alignment jig and alignment tapes. Hope this information helps. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Donald Desaulniers wrote: To all, Thank you for the helpful tips and support with the LX3 rehab project. Special thanks go out to Jeff Galin of ESL for parts and helpful advice. As expected the pinch rollers of 25 year old LX3 were jammed solid. After freeing up the pinch rollers, I put the 2 tension springs back into place and gave the arms a modest Lube job. The tape mechanism seems to run as expected in Play mode now that the pinch rollers are cleaned and working properly. However, when I press STOP, the mechanism jams. It appears that the SS pivot shaft of the Pinch roller on the take up reel side gets caught in a hole on the aluminum plate of the movable drive mechanism. While I am convinced that I did not disturb anything in the process of cleaning the Pinch Rollers, I may have inadvertently put something out of alignment. I noticed that the brass bushing at the end of the pivot is now a few millimetres from the end of the shaft. It is the protruding end of the SS Shaft that I suspect is the cause of the jamming. To free up the mechanisms I must push it forward before it will assume its normal position. It should mention that, I also did the adjustments using the onboard VR according to the Service Manual. Any ideas to fix this jam are welcome. Best regards, Donald Desaulniers ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:53 AM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi friends, > > I just got in an ebay 670ZX and changed the capstan belt( others seem fine) > and adjusted the speed etc....( with T 100 and Luis tapes) Every function > works superb and the deck's sound rivals the 680Zx sound with thundering > bass. > > There is one small issue though. This deck makes terrible staticky noise( > both in output and headphone sockets) when I rotate the output knob to the > point of cutting off the right channel at times. I have left it at max and > its been working now but I would like to know how to clean this to get rid > of the noise. > > Please help. > > Ram > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 14 04:58:26 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:58:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <823980.98766.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> These true chromes also were deteriorating( chemically) over time and they had lower noise at thee expense of the highs liek the XLII/SA cobalt adsorbed tapes of the type II variety. The true chromes tended to shed more oxide on the tape heads, besides the above two characteristics. True chromes were decimated by TDKs SA and Maxells XLII and their variants almost entirely by 1979-1980, BASF being the only manufacturer at the time offering a true CrO2 tape. I doubt if BASF made any other type II tapes besides CrO2!?? Ram --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 9:07 AM Haven't seen these before. The question I would ask is, are they true CrO2 tapes, or simply tapes that use the "chrome" setting on the bias and EQ switches? The reason I say this is that tapes like TDK SA, Sony High Bias, and Maxell UDXL II use the chrome positions on the bias and EQ switches, but these tape are chemically not chromium dioxide -- rather they are made of "cobalt ion irradiated gamma ferric oxide" or similar, and in all cases these formulations use polished particles in the active tape emulsion. True chromium dioxide tapes came and went . . . and one reason for this is that the CrO2 turned out to be very hard on the Mohs hardness scale (or similar index) -- and so the CrO2 tapes tended to cause accelerated tape head wear. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM, ckdawson wrote: Hi all,       Anyone seen or used this tape before?   http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQitemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a   Keith ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 11:08 AM Ram, I jsut bought some of those bulk tapes from ebay.  The guys says that tape is new from the 80's I believe and installed into shells.  I guess they were used for custom tapes made back then.  They are 90 min and I bought 25 of them for $20.  I thought it would be worth a try.  Are these what you were talking about?  Bob N --- On Fri, 2/12/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 7:07 AM I firmly believe in the "you get what you pay for"adage. The shells on these tapes are terribly constructed and cause many issues. They are molded rather than screwed and these tapes get eaten and cause transport issues and are not dealing with. I have used similar bulk TDK tapes and they in short "stink". Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 2/11/10, ckdawson wrote: From: ckdawson Subject: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 6:12 PM Hi all,       Anyone seen or used this tape before?   http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQitemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a   Keith -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any input is welcome/Pelle. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dalincer at comcast.net Sun Feb 14 09:02:35 2010 From: dalincer at comcast.net (DaLincerGuy) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:02:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Saw some cassettes being thrown out and rescued them Message-ID: <4B77AE1B.1040407@comcast.net> Qty 6: Identified as: TDK 110min CDPower High Bias IECII / Type II PWR-110 High Precision RCIII Mechanism I was out and about and noticed some cassette tapes being thrown away. Brand new in original packing. Look clean and not overheated or anything obvious. I am playing tapes only, and therefore do not need or want them. Cost of shipping gets them to you: Contact me via email. David __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4864 (20100213) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Feb 14 13:46:57 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Anyone used these tapes before. Message-ID: <1935638615.4452701266151617729.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I haven't, but if those aren't NAC (National Audio Company) shells, then I'm a monkey's uncle. That said, it doesn't mean they are filled with NAC tape. You can buy NAC shells in bulk I believe, and put your own tape in them. NAC has a minimum tape order that is less than what is on their web site if you call them. They are very nice people. You can find out more about the ones listed on ebay if you google Milton C Mueller Audio. BTW, NAC makes true chrome as well as a cobalt doped type II, that sound fine. I'm not in love with the shells, even though they are screwed, as the slip sheets move all over the place, but they are a fine sounding type 2 BULK tape. If you are looking for a quantity of decent NOS economical Type II tape, that for me has so far worked very well on my Naks, try a case of 10 Akai GX-90 from Butter and Batteries for $15. Full shrink wrapped, nice 5 screw shell, nice j card. They will never be mistaken for an '88 XLII or SA, but their faithfulness is quite good. A slightly higher frequency hiss, and a tad light on the lowest octave of bass, they calibrate quite flat, so they are brighter than the current last gasp welded shell XLII and SAs, which have a definite roll off. I'd spend $1.50 for one of these long before I'd spend $0.50 on a late XLII. Be aware that others have called the GX-90 a "junk" as they found them non linear and low MOL on their Denon decks. I can only say that on my Dragons, RX-505s, and Revox B215s, they handle a decent amount of signal and have a nice response, besides sounding good. I always use NR when recording, but if you don't, then I'd not recommend them. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Feb 14 13:53:46 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? Message-ID: <184075759.4453611266152026190.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Like any of the big names, it depends on the year, but I've never met an MX-S I didn't like. The "Man in Chair" ones are the least desirable, the earlier the better. Sony XR, the same, earlier the better. XR is the European version of SR. While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal tape. If you haven't been to vintagecassettes.com yet, you should take a look. Pics and years, explanations. No ratings tho. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sun Feb 14 14:11:43 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Fred:Chrome Tapes And Lubricants? Message-ID: <1465430291.3780171266153103883.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello Fred,                   Excellent information you have provided.  Is Caig the link to get most of your lubricants, like phono-lube?  and the moly-lube, etc...??? When you speak about the heavy oils, or light grease, you must mean lighter than black moly-lube grease, or lithium grease??  Do you favor which lubricant between the Pinch Roller, and its shaft???  I have removed the pinch roller on Open Reels, and tried a light coating of white lithium grease, and have also tried Mobil One Synthetic Motor Oil.....I didnt notice a significant improvement from one to the other.               As for the Chrome Oxide Tapes, going away, and being to hard, causing excessive headware.....would that also explain why many audiophiles, choose not to use the EE Tapes for Reel to Reels??  I have read by many that these EE Tapes were very abrasive and caused excessive headware, and many complained about not being able to erase them, but I never had that problem with the Erasers that I own, very powerful.   Thanks, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex_mgm at mail.ru Sun Feb 14 15:16:30 2010 From: alex_mgm at mail.ru (=?koi8-r?Q?=E1=CC=C5=CB=D3=C1=CE=C4=D2_=E7=CF=D2=CC=CF=D7=CF=CA?=) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:16:30 +0300 Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?Re[2]=3A_[naktalk]_New_blank_cassettes=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I know, pure CrO2 tapes were made by BASF (now EMTEC). As the CrO2 particles are harder (sharp?) than other tapes, BASF developed special protective and dry lubricating coating layers for these tapes. Maybe because of licensing agreements other companies (Maxell, Sony, TDK etc.)manufactured multilayer (epitaxial) tapes without CrO2 particles. Maybe this process was simly less expensive than manufacturing special protective polymeric layers. Somebody tells that pure CrO2 tapes are sounding better in hight frequences than epitaxial tapes. I did not compare. Alexander -----Original Message----- From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:07:09 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? > Haven't seen these before. The question I would ask is, are they true CrO2 > tapes, or simply tapes that use the "chrome" setting on the bias and EQ > switches? > > The reason I say this is that tapes like TDK SA, Sony High Bias, and Maxell > UDXL II use the chrome positions on the bias and EQ switches, but these tape > are chemically not chromium dioxide -- rather they are made of "cobalt ion > irradiated gamma ferric oxide" or similar, and in all cases these > formulations use polished particles in the active tape emulsion. > > True chromium dioxide tapes came and went . . . and one reason for this is > that the CrO2 turned out to be very *hard* on the Mohs hardness scale (or > similar index) -- and so the CrO2 tapes tended to cause accelerated tape > head wear. > > Best, > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > ********** > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM, ckdawson wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Anyone seen or used this tape before? > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQitemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a > > > > Keith > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > С уважением, Александр From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 14 16:17:29 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:17:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fw: 670ZX question - (Ram could you please send this on to NakTalk - My Yahoo account is playing up) Message-ID: <408518.36607.qm@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 2/14/10, johngipps at aol.com wrote: From: johngipps at aol.com Subject: 670ZX question - (Ram could you please send this on to NakTalk - My Yahoo account is playing up) To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 9:11 AM Hi Ram The product that I swear by for cleaning and lubricating pots is CRC 2-26. I've been using this spray for this purpose for decades, with reliable consistent results. You've already had a good answer to your question from Fred, but I'm piping up because over here in Australia, CRC 2-26 is a very cheap and easily obtained product - maybe the same over there. As a matter of interest, over here, a 500g spray can of CRC 2-26 costs about $12.50AUD (about $11US) - it's supplied with a length of tubing, so you can deliver the spray to its destination with a minimum of fallout on adjacent components and assemblies. Regards John Gipps Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:53:54 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX question To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <66478.4956.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi friends, I just got in an ebay 670ZX and changed the capstan belt( others seem fine) and adjusted the speed etc....( with T 100 and Luis tapes) Every function works superb and the deck's sound rivals the 680Zx sound with thundering bass. There is one small issue though. This deck makes terrible staticky noise( both in output and headphone sockets) when I rotate the output knob to the point of cutting off the right channel at times. I have left it at max and its been working now but I would like to know how to clean this to get rid of the noise. Please help. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No difference whatsoever. The RTR recorder should have an EE position switch to be able to record on EE tapes. Otherwise there is not enough bias to erase and record the EE tapes. That's why you have heard of incomplete erasure etc.... I have an AKAI GX747dbx( got it brand new in New Jersey!) that has no issues with EE recordings. Regards, Ram --- On Sun, 2/14/10, rayr0683 at comcast.net wrote: From: rayr0683 at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Fred:Chrome Tapes And Lubricants? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 8:11 AM #yiv569521526 p {margin:0;}                 As for the Chrome Oxide Tapes, going away, and being to hard, causing excessive headware.....would that also explain why many audiophiles, choose not to use the EE Tapes for Reel to Reels??  I have read by many that these EE Tapes were very abrasive and caused excessive headware, and many complained about not being able to erase them, but I never had that problem with the Erasers that I own, very powerful.   Thanks, Ray -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 00:04:13 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:04:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? In-Reply-To: <4B782B7D.2020103@comcast.net> References: <184075759.4453611266152026190.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4B782B7D.2020103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <28770.93675.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had two Maxell MX-S tapes and that was enough to convince me never to use them again. I only used TDK or Nakamichi tapes after that. The MX-S sounded fine, but, each tape has 3-4 drop outs and they were brand new sealed tapes. These drops out bugged the crap out of me and finally I stopped the tape and took a look and there were big flakes of iron mashed into the tape. I put it under a magnifying glass and scraped at the chucks with an xacto knife. These chucks were over half the width of the tape and hard as a rock! I never saw anything like it again. Maybe because I never used Maxell again. ________________________________ From: Kenny K To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 8:57:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? My experience is that I'd never touch another MX-S. I recorded about 150 tapes tapes( 90% were type 2 chromes) in the 80's and 90's. Of those I have 8 MX-S tapes and not one of them sounds any good today. The high freq's drift in and out. But mostly out. They sound just awful. ALL of my normal chrome and better chromes ie. XLII-S, SA-X etc still sound to my aging ears as good as they days I recorded them. The MX-S may sound superb when you record on them but they don't have nearly the longevity of the chromes in my experience anyways. Anyone else experience this ? perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: >Like >any of the big names, it depends on the year, but I've never met an >MX-S I didn't like. The "Man in Chair" ones are the least desirable, >the earlier the better. Sony XR, the same, earlier the better. XR is >the European version of SR. While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal >tape. If you haven't been to vintagecassettes.com yet, you should take >a look. Pics and years, explanations. No ratings tho. > ________________________________ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 00:39:33 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:39:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 jamming problem FIXED In-Reply-To: <006901caad17$d9c10880$8d431980$%desaulniers@videotron.ca> References: <002901caac45$cd373a30$67a5ae90$%desaulniers@videotron.ca> <006901caad17$d9c10880$8d431980$%desaulniers@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Yes, the pivot shaft works it way out of the hole where it's force-fit into the head base assembly. Pushing it back is what to do, and you've done that. Good. Often a tiny amount of Superglue or JB Weld at the point where the shaft enters the base assembly will keep it from coming out of the hole again. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Donald Desaulniers < donald.desaulniers at videotron.ca> wrote: > Fred, > > > > Thanks for the helpful tips. > > > > After turning the shaft by the brass bushing, I coaxed it back toward the > back of the machine. It seems to have moved back enough to resolve the > problem of sticking at the shaft. > > > > The tape seems to work fine now. > > > > What is the next step calibrate with a Standard tape to adjust the capstan > motor speed. Where can I find a calibration tape? > > > > > > > > Donald > > > > *[image: cid:image003.png at 01C9F0C1.1349AE40] mailto: > donald.desaulniers at videotron.ca* > > > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* 13 février 2010 08:36 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LX-3 jamming problem > > > > Are the pinch roller arms free-moving? In other words, the pinch rollers > are mounted in frames. The frames extend just under an inch to *pivot > bearings*. These pivot bearings are chronically getting gummed up -- or > even frozen! The test for this is (in STOP mode) to insert a hook tool under > the pinch rollers and lift them up. If things are okay, they should lift up > about 1/4", and when released *spring back down*. If the pivot bearings > are gummed up, it will be hard to lift the pinch roller up, and when > released it will not spring back down. > > As the problem worsens, the shaft portion of the pivot bearing (which is > itself force-fit into the head base assembly) will begin to work loose, due > to large forces exerted on it by the control cam. As it works loose, it will > slip outward (move toward the front of the machine), causing a severe tape > path alignment problem. > > Disassembling, cleaning out gunked-up grease, and reassembling is a major > job -- and requires (to do it totally correct) an alignment jig and > alignment tapes. > > Hope this information helps. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > ********** > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Donald Desaulniers < > donald.desaulniers at videotron.ca> wrote: > > To all, > > > > Thank you for the helpful tips and support with the LX3 rehab project. > Special thanks go out to Jeff Galin of ESL for parts and helpful advice. > > > > As expected the pinch rollers of 25 year old LX3 were jammed solid. After > freeing up the pinch rollers, I put the 2 tension springs back into place > and gave the arms a modest Lube job. > > > > The tape mechanism seems to run as expected in Play mode now that the pinch > rollers are cleaned and working properly. However, when I press STOP, the > mechanism jams. It appears that the SS pivot shaft of the Pinch roller on > the take up reel side gets caught in a hole on the aluminum plate of the > movable drive mechanism. > > > > While I am convinced that I did not disturb anything in the process of > cleaning the Pinch Rollers, I may have inadvertently put something out of > alignment. I noticed that the brass bushing at the end of the pivot is now a > few millimetres from the end of the shaft. It is the protruding end of the > SS Shaft that I suspect is the cause of the jamming. > > > > To free up the mechanisms I must push it forward before it will assume its > normal position. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 01:22:14 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:22:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? In-Reply-To: <28770.93675.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <184075759.4453611266152026190.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4B782B7D.2020103@comcast.net> <28770.93675.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have used TDK SA formulations SA, SA-X, etc., for more than thirty years, and have found their performance to be stable and reliable. I do think the earlier ones that used the little screws to hold the clamshells together were made to stricter mechanical tolerences. I've always preferred the SA to the Maxell UDXLII, but when you go from cassette to reel-to-reel, I stand by Maxell UD 35-90. I still keep a supply of TDK SA in my store to sell to my cassette-deck-fanatic customers. One feature that has remained constant over the years with TDK SA is the back-tension system built into the cassettes themselves. Yes, the additional friction will frustrate decks that have poor FF and REW mechanics, but playback is rendered more stable, and that's what really counts. Fred On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: > I had two Maxell MX-S tapes and that was enough to convince me never to use > them again. I only used TDK or Nakamichi tapes after that. The MX-S > sounded fine, but, each tape has 3-4 drop outs and they were brand new > sealed tapes. These drops out bugged the crap out of me and finally I > stopped the tape and took a look and there were big flakes of iron mashed > into the tape. I put it under a magnifying glass and scraped at the chucks > with an xacto knife. These chucks were over half the width of the tape and > hard as a rock! I never saw anything like it again. Maybe because I never > used Maxell again. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Kenny K > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sun, February 14, 2010 8:57:33 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? > > My experience is that I'd never touch another MX-S. I recorded about 150 > tapes tapes( 90% were type 2 chromes) in the 80's and 90's. Of those I have > 8 MX-S tapes and not one of them sounds any good today. The high freq's > drift in and out. But mostly out. They sound just awful. ALL of my normal > chrome and better chromes ie. XLII-S, SA-X etc still sound to my aging ears > as good as they days I recorded them. > > The MX-S may sound superb when you record on them but they don't have > nearly the longevity of the chromes in my experience anyways. > > Anyone else experience this ? > > perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > > Like any of the big names, it depends on the year, but I've never met an > MX-S I didn't like. The "Man in Chair" ones are the least desirable, the > earlier the better. Sony XR, the same, earlier the better. XR is the > European version of SR. While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal tape. If > you haven't been to vintagecassettes.com yet, you should take a look. Pics > and years, explanations. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 01:27:58 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:27:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Fred:Chrome Tapes And Lubricants? In-Reply-To: <999311.95566.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1465430291.3780171266153103883.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <999311.95566.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ram, if you ever need the little belts that are used for the Akai GX747DBX's *active tension arms*, I have them. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:19 AM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Ray, > > The EE tapes from Maxell ( XLII) and TDK (SA) for reel to reels were also > the cobalt adsorbed tapes exactly like their cassette counterparts. No > difference whatsoever. > > The RTR recorder should have an EE position switch to be able to record on > EE tapes. Otherwise there is not enough bias to erase and record the EE > tapes. That's why you have heard of incomplete erasure etc.... > > I have an AKAI GX747dbx( got it brand new in New Jersey!) that has no > issues with EE recordings. > > Regards, > > Ram > > --- On *Sun, 2/14/10, rayr0683 at comcast.net * wrote: > > > From: rayr0683 at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] Fred:Chrome Tapes And Lubricants? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 8:11 AM > > > > > > As for the Chrome Oxide Tapes, going away, and being to hard, > causing excessive headware.....would that also explain why many audiophiles, > choose not to use the EE Tapes for Reel to Reels?? I have read by many that > these EE Tapes were very abrasive and caused excessive headware, and many > complained about not being able to erase them, but I never had that problem > with the Erasers that I own, very powerful. 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URL: From blkmacster at cox.net Mon Feb 15 02:02:22 2010 From: blkmacster at cox.net (CB) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:02:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: New Blank Cassettes In-Reply-To: <201002141110.o1EB8eFV024302@zxe.naks.com> References: <201002141110.o1EB8eFV024302@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000001caadda$87d13130$97739390$@net> Those look like NAC tapes. If they are I have approximately 100 of them and they are excellent tapes. I use/used them in my NAK CR7A, CR5A. Tascam 122MKIII, and both of my Revox B215's. I would buy them from NAC though and get the 92 minutes ones, since a 90 minute NAC is exactly 90 minutes. M~ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 84, Issue 11 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. What oils and greases and where? (perry.nak at comcast.net) 2. 670ZX question (shanti ramachandran) 3. Re: New blank cassettes? (Bob Naylor) 4. Re: New Blank Cassettes (Jim Tuller) 5. Sony or Maxell? (P?r Ericsson) 6. Re: LX-3 jamming problem (Fred Longworth) 7. Re: What Oils and Greases and Where (Fred Longworth) 8. Re: New blank cassettes? (Fred Longworth) 9. RE: LX-3 jamming problem FIXED (Donald Desaulniers) 10. Re: 670ZX question (Fred Longworth) 11. Re: New blank cassettes? (shanti ramachandran) 12. Re: New blank cassettes? (shanti ramachandran) 13. Re: Sony or Maxell? (shanti ramachandran) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:55:06 +0000 (UTC) From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] What oils and greases and where? To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <606650528.4129951266065706289.JavaMail.root at sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.com cast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Phonolube is superb for plastic cams and gears on sliding parts. It's a very clean white light grease that stays put and offers almost no resistance. I use the pen oiler from radio shack which is a somewhat viscous ptfe lube for shafts and such. The only exception is on the capstans and pressure rollers that have oil impregnated sintered bronze porous bearings where I use a drop of sewing machine oil. It's the least viscouse and is readily absorbed by the bearing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100213/ba86e121/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:53:54 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX question To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <66478.4956.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi friends, I just got in an ebay 670ZX and changed the capstan belt( others seem fine) and adjusted the speed etc....( with T 100 and Luis tapes) Every function works superb and the deck's sound rivals the 680Zx sound with thundering bass. There is one small issue though. This deck makes terrible staticky noise( both in output and headphone sockets) when I rotate the output knob to the point of cutting off the right channel at times. I have left it at max and its been working now but I would like to know how to clean this to get rid of the noise. Please help. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100213/bfd00c71/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:08:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <187085.19188.qm at web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ram, I jsut bought some of those bulk tapes from ebay. The guys says that tape is new from the 80's I believe and installed into shells. I guess they were used for custom tapes made back then. They are 90 min and I bought 25 of them for $20. I thought it would be worth a try. Are these what you were talking about? Bob N --- On Fri, 2/12/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 7:07 AM I firmly believe in the "you get what you pay for"adage. The shells on these tapes are terribly constructed and cause many issues. They are molded rather than screwed and these tapes get eaten and cause transport issues and are not dealing with. I have used similar bulk TDK tapes and they in short "stink". Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 2/11/10, ckdawson wrote: From: ckdawson Subject: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 6:12 PM Hi all, Anyone seen or used this tape before? http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQ itemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a Keith -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100213/28ff3d67/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:14:54 -0500 From: Jim Tuller Subject: [naktalk] Re: New Blank Cassettes To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <4B76CFFE.4080709 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ram made the following comment: --------------- I firmly believe in the "you get what you pay for"adage. The shells on these tapes are terribly constructed and cause many issues. They are molded rather than screwed and these tapes get eaten and cause transport issues and are not dealing with. I have used similar bulk TDK tapes and they in short "stink". Regards, Ram ---------------- I'm sure Ram had a bad experience with some low-priced cassettes. I've not used the ones illustrated on the auction listing, but the photo does show a screw-assembled shell. The cassettes from National Audio Company that I have described in the past also are available with screwed-in shells. I think the prices are lower; I can't compare the tape stock, but I've had no issues with the National product. (No connection to them, I'm just a customer). www.nationalaudiocompany.com Jim Tuller ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:10:19 +0100 From: P?r Ericsson Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Naktalkers! Any opinions about Maxell MX-S and Sony Metal XR? Any input is welcome/Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100213/ff340547/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:35:59 -0800 From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 jamming problem To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Are the pinch roller arms free-moving? In other words, the pinch rollers are mounted in frames. The frames extend just under an inch to *pivot bearings*. These pivot bearings are chronically getting gummed up -- or even frozen! The test for this is (in STOP mode) to insert a hook tool under the pinch rollers and lift them up. If things are okay, they should lift up about 1/4", and when released *spring back down*. If the pivot bearings are gummed up, it will be hard to lift the pinch roller up, and when released it will not spring back down. As the problem worsens, the shaft portion of the pivot bearing (which is itself force-fit into the head base assembly) will begin to work loose, due to large forces exerted on it by the control cam. As it works loose, it will slip outward (move toward the front of the machine), causing a severe tape path alignment problem. Disassembling, cleaning out gunked-up grease, and reassembling is a major job -- and requires (to do it totally correct) an alignment jig and alignment tapes. Hope this information helps. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Donald Desaulniers < donald.desaulniers at videotron.ca> wrote: > To all, > > > > Thank you for the helpful tips and support with the LX3 rehab project. > Special thanks go out to Jeff Galin of ESL for parts and helpful advice. > > > > As expected the pinch rollers of 25 year old LX3 were jammed solid. After > freeing up the pinch rollers, I put the 2 tension springs back into place > and gave the arms a modest Lube job. > > > > The tape mechanism seems to run as expected in Play mode now that the pinch > rollers are cleaned and working properly. However, when I press STOP, the > mechanism jams. It appears that the SS pivot shaft of the Pinch roller on > the take up reel side gets caught in a hole on the aluminum plate of the > movable drive mechanism. > > > > While I am convinced that I did not disturb anything in the process of > cleaning the Pinch Rollers, I may have inadvertently put something out of > alignment. I noticed that the brass bushing at the end of the pivot is now a > few millimetres from the end of the shaft. It is the protruding end of the > SS Shaft that I suspect is the cause of the jamming. > > > > To free up the mechanisms I must push it forward before it will assume its > normal position. It should mention that, I also did the adjustments using > the onboard VR according to the Service Manual. > > > > Any ideas to fix this jam are welcome. > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Donald Desaulniers > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100213/f525bdab/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:41:16 -0800 From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Oils and Greases and Where To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For the pivot bearing for the entire cam assembly, I recommend a *very light grease or a heavy oil*, and for the track or lobes on the cam I recommend *a medium-viscosity grease. *Make sure all the original, gummed-up grease is cleaned off. When the cam has been removed for cleaning/relubrication, operate all the *cam followers* manually to see if they are free-moving. Clean and lube all the followers as necessary. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 5:41 AM, eric holtz wrote: > Hello, > Thank you Mr. Longworth for the GC Electronics link and your personal tips. > What would you recommend for a *plastic cam assembly*? I have DeoxIT, X109 > *Precision Instrument* *Oil*; two different pin-point syringes with *light > weight oil*; 100% pure *silicone dressing gel*. Would one of these be > appropriate for the *cam lobe/gear *or would one of GC lubricants be much > better? > --- On *Fri, 2/12/10, Fred Longworth *wrote: > > > From: Fred Longworth > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Oils and Greases and Where > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 5:36 AM > > > http://www.gcelectronics.com/order/SubCatPDF/lubricants%2048-49.pdf > > Here are a number of popular lubricants for the hobbiest or service > professional. Molybdenum grease (the thick gray stuff) can be purchased at > the auto parts store. I strongly recommend White Lithium Grease, Phonolube, > Teles-Oiler and Pocket Oiler. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Paul Chick > > wrote: > >> I have 2 Naks on the bench at the moment, and I can find no info on the >> lubricants mentioned in the manuals. I would appreciate guidance on suitable >> easily sourced materials and their applications, also the significance of >> the stuff on various springs. 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True chromium dioxide tapes came and went . . . and one reason for this is that the CrO2 turned out to be very *hard* on the Mohs hardness scale (or similar index) -- and so the CrO2 tapes tended to cause accelerated tape head wear. 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Disassemble the machine sufficiently to gain access to the small holes in the output potentiometer. Squirt a little inside the potentiometer and run the control through its full range about fifty times. This should take care of your static. Note: this can be ordered from Caig's own website or from Parts Express. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:53 AM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi friends, > > I just got in an ebay 670ZX and changed the capstan belt( others seem fine) > and adjusted the speed etc....( with T 100 and Luis tapes) Every function > works superb and the deck's sound rivals the 680Zx sound with thundering > bass. > > There is one small issue though. This deck makes terrible staticky noise( > both in output and headphone sockets) when I rotate the output knob to the > point of cutting off the right channel at times. I have left it at max and > its been working now but I would like to know how to clean this to get rid > of the noise. > > Please help. > > Ram > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100213/2c2e2450/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <823980.98766.qm at web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" These true chromes also were deteriorating( chemically) over time and they had lower noise at thee expense of the highs liek the XLII/SA cobalt adsorbed tapes of the type II variety. The true chromes tended to shed more oxide on the tape heads, besides the above two characteristics. True chromes were decimated by TDKs SA and Maxells XLII and their variants almost entirely by 1979-1980, BASF being the only manufacturer at the time offering a true CrO2 tape. I doubt if BASF made any other type II tapes besides CrO2!?? Ram --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 9:07 AM Haven't seen these before. The question I would ask is, are they true CrO2 tapes, or simply tapes that use the "chrome" setting on the bias and EQ switches? The reason I say this is that tapes like TDK SA, Sony High Bias, and Maxell UDXL II use the chrome positions on the bias and EQ switches, but these tape are chemically not chromium dioxide -- rather they are made of "cobalt ion irradiated gamma ferric oxide" or similar, and in all cases these formulations use polished particles in the active tape emulsion. True chromium dioxide tapes came and went . . . and one reason for this is that the CrO2 turned out to be very hard on the Mohs hardness scale (or similar index) -- and so the CrO2 tapes tended to cause accelerated tape head wear. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM, ckdawson wrote: Hi all, Anyone seen or used this tape before? http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQ itemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a Keith ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are these what you were talking about? Bob N --- On Fri, 2/12/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 7:07 AM I firmly believe in the "you get what you pay for"adage. The shells on these tapes are terribly constructed and cause many issues. They are molded rather than screwed and these tapes get eaten and cause transport issues and are not dealing with. I have used similar bulk TDK tapes and they in short "stink". Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 2/11/10, ckdawson wrote: From: ckdawson Subject: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 6:12 PM Hi all, Anyone seen or used this tape before? http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQ itemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a Keith -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1556998290.4056411266238858136.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello RAM,                          Im a Reel to Reel fanatic, I have a house full of decks, some are older, with Tubes and speakers built in, those are more for collecting. I also have my 4 that are my Pride and Joy. ALthjough having 4 is a bit ridiculous....honestly.   I have a Mint fully gone over to better than Spec. AKAI GX-747 DBX Black, a TEAC X2000R-Black....these both have EE switches.  I also have 2 Tandbergs, a Tandberg TD20A, and also a Tandberg TD20A-SE....these were totally rebuilt by a Tandberg Expert in NYC, according to Jeff Galin, of ESL, he told me this guy, his name is Nick (Tandberg)...is the best Tandberg Tech he has known, which I also felt myself, by the work he did, all new heads, etc..very affordable too.  And he is not Soundsmith.  Thank You for your answers, I live in New Jersey myself, its funny you got your new AKAI GX-747 DBX here in New Jersey.  Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Mon Feb 15 14:12:11 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XL and Maxell from 80's and 90's Message-ID: <91106683.4060671266239531440.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello,               I have to agree with you guys. I have had all the same problems, and only with Maxell. Of the hundreds and hundreds of TDK Tapes I have used, they all sounds as good as the day I recorded on them, and none were ever a problem for me. This is why I always have all my machines Biased for TDK SA Tapes. I even have my Sony WM-D6C Pro Walkman biased for TDK, and they sound excellent going from Nak RX-505 to Sony, to Tandberg and back again, all sound very compatable. I have never had that issue where Nak recorded tapes only sounded good, or better in my Nak. Though I have heard others say this. But anyway TDK Tapes rule for me, and always have.  I was liucky enough to buy out a Store going out of business, it sold records, tapes, cd's and blank media. I bought 2 huge Boxes full of brand new sealed TDK SA-90 and SA-100 Tapes, might be some of the 110 in there also. And some are TDK SA-X Tapes, and these sound just as good to me, even though I biased for the TDK SA tapes.   Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Mon Feb 15 15:02:04 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:02:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another Willy Hermann serviced deck Message-ID: <0KXV001B7YZ8CQ43@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160404740945&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 15:36:05 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:36:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? In-Reply-To: References: <184075759.4453611266152026190.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4B782B7D.2020103@comcast.net> <28770.93675.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <940752.88487.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Fred. I have a question for you. By the back tension system in TDK cassettes, are you referring to the pressure pad?  If you are, I thought all cassettes use a pressure pad to hold the tape against the heads.   Dual capstan Naks do not use this pressure pad.  Instead, they use a pressure pad lifter to remove it completely because they found that use of the pressure pad caused audible noise called scrape flutter.  Their dual capstan mechanism provides the precise tape tension needed for high quality audio.  I believe that no other cassette deck manufacturer used a pressure pad lifter. Jayson  ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:22:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? I have used TDK SA formulations SA, SA-X, etc., for more than thirty years, and have found their performance to be stable and reliable. I do think the earlier ones that used the little screws to hold the clamshells together were made to stricter mechanical tolerences. I've always preferred the SA to the Maxell UDXLII, but when you go from cassette to reel-to-reel, I stand by Maxell UD 35-90. I still keep a supply of TDK SA in my store to sell to my cassette-deck-fanatic customers. One feature that has remained constant over the years with TDK SA is the back-tension system built into the cassettes themselves. Yes, the additional friction will frustrate decks that have poor FF and REW mechanics, but playback is rendered more stable, and that's what really counts. Fred On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: I had two Maxell MX-S tapes and that was enough to convince me never to use them again.  I only used TDK or Nakamichi tapes after that.  The MX-S sounded fine, but, each tape has 3-4 drop outs and they were brand new sealed tapes.  These drops out bugged the crap out of me and finally I stopped the tape and took a look and there were big flakes of iron mashed into the tape.  I put it under a magnifying glass and scraped at the chucks with an xacto knife.  These chucks were over half the width of the tape and hard as a rock!  I never saw anything like it again.  Maybe because I never used Maxell again.   > > > ________________________________ From: Kenny K >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 8:57:33 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? > > >My experience is that I'd never touch another MX-S. I recorded about 150 tapes tapes( 90% were type 2 chromes) in the 80's and 90's. Of those I have 8 MX-S tapes and not one of them sounds any good today. The high freq's drift in and out. But mostly out. They sound just awful. ALL of my normal chrome and better chromes ie. XLII-S, SA-X etc still sound to my aging ears as good as they days I recorded them. > >The MX-S may sound superb when you record on them but they don't have nearly the longevity of the chromes in my experience anyways. > >Anyone else experience this ? > >perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: >Like any of the big names, it depends on the year, but I've never met an MX-S I didn't like.  The "Man in Chair" ones are the least desirable, the earlier the better.  Sony XR, the same, earlier the better. XR is the European version of SR.  While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal tape. If you haven't been to vintagecassettes.com yet, you should take a look. Pics and years, explanations.  No ratings tho. >> ________________________________ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe this process was simly less expensive than manufacturing special protective polymeric layers. Somebody tells that pure CrO2 tapes are sounding better in hight frequences than epitaxial tapes. I did not compare. Alexander -----Original Message----- From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:07:09 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? > Haven't seen these before. The question I would ask is, are they true CrO2 > tapes, or simply tapes that use the "chrome" setting on the bias and EQ > switches? > > The reason I say this is that tapes like TDK SA, Sony High Bias, and Maxell > UDXL II use the chrome positions on the bias and EQ switches, but these tape > are chemically not chromium dioxide -- rather they are made of "cobalt ion > irradiated gamma ferric oxide" or similar, and in all cases these > formulations use polished particles in the active tape emulsion. > > True chromium dioxide tapes came and went . . . and one reason for this is > that the CrO2 turned out to be very *hard* on the Mohs hardness scale (or > similar index) -- and so the CrO2 tapes tended to cause accelerated tape > head wear. > > Best, > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > ********** > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM, ckdawson wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Anyone seen or used this tape before? > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQ itemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a > > > > Keith > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > С уважением, Александр ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 17:30:40 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:30:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... In-Reply-To: <1556998290.4056411266238858136.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1556998290.4056411266238858136.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <364569.81774.qm@web55108.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Ray. I have a question for you, which is off-topic.  I have a 21 year old Jeff Rowland Coherence One, Series II pre-amp that needs to be worked on.  Soundsmith is one of a few places that are supposed to be "experts" in working on Jeff Rowland equipment. My question - what is wrong with Soundsmith?  Do you have experience with them? Thanks. Jayson ________________________________ From: "rayr0683 at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 8:00:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... Hello RAM,                          Im a Reel to Reel fanatic, I have a house full of decks, some are older, with Tubes and speakers built in, those are more for collecting. I also have my 4 that are my Pride and Joy. ALthjough having 4 is a bit ridiculous....honestly.   I have a Mint fully gone over to better than Spec. AKAI GX-747 DBX Black, a TEAC X2000R-Black....these both have EE switches.  I also have 2 Tandbergs, a Tandberg TD20A, and also a Tandberg TD20A-SE....these were totally rebuilt by a Tandberg Expert in NYC, according to Jeff Galin, of ESL, he told me this guy, his name is Nick (Tandberg)...is the best Tandberg Tech he has known, which I also felt myself, by the work he did, all new heads, etc..very affordable too.  And he is not Soundsmith.  Thank You for your answers, I live in New Jersey myself, its funny you got your new AKAI GX-747 DBX here in New Jersey.  Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If by chance I'll ever post my decks serviced by Steve Sank (no longer on Naktalk), I'll let the group know. > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:02:04 -0500 > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: rjlbjk at verizon.net > Subject: [naktalk] Another Willy Hermann serviced deck > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160404740945&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 11:08 AM Ram, I jsut bought some of those bulk tapes from ebay.  The guys says that tape is new from the 80's I believe and installed into shells.  I guess they were used for custom tapes made back then.  They are 90 min and I bought 25 of them for $20.  I thought it would be worth a try.  Are these what you were talking about?  Bob N --- On Fri, 2/12/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 7:07 AM I firmly believe in the "you get what you pay for"adage. The shells on these tapes are terribly constructed and cause many issues. They are molded rather than screwed and these tapes get eaten and cause transport issues and are not dealing with. I have used similar bulk TDK tapes and they in short "stink". Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 2/11/10, ckdawson wrote: From: ckdawson Subject: [naktalk] New blank cassettes? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 6:12 PM Hi all,       Anyone seen or used this tape before?   http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-CrO2-90-min-for-Nakamichi-Pro-Decks-15-pcs_W0QQitemZ310190744138QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838cf224a   Keith -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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By the back tension system in TDK cassettes, are you referring to the pressure pad?  If you are, I thought all cassettes use a pressure pad to hold the tape against the heads.     Dual capstan Naks do not use this pressure pad.  Instead, they use a pressure pad lifter to remove it completely because they found that use of the pressure pad caused audible noise called scrape flutter.  Their dual capstan mechanism provides the precise tape tension needed for high quality audio.  I believe that no other cassette deck manufacturer used a pressure pad lifter.   Jayson  From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:22:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? I have used TDK SA formulations SA, SA-X, etc., for more than thirty years, and have found their performance to be stable and reliable. I do think the earlier ones that used the little screws to hold the clamshells together were made to stricter mechanical tolerences. I've always preferred the SA to the Maxell UDXLII, but when you go from cassette to reel-to-reel, I stand by Maxell UD 35-90. I still keep a supply of TDK SA in my store to sell to my cassette-deck-fanatic customers. One feature that has remained constant over the years with TDK SA is the back-tension system built into the cassettes themselves. Yes, the additional friction will frustrate decks that have poor FF and REW mechanics, but playback is rendered more stable, and that's what really counts. Fred On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: I had two Maxell MX-S tapes and that was enough to convince me never to use them again.  I only used TDK or Nakamichi tapes after that.  The MX-S sounded fine, but, each tape has 3-4 drop outs and they were brand new sealed tapes.  These drops out bugged the crap out of me and finally I stopped the tape and took a look and there were big flakes of iron mashed into the tape.  I put it under a magnifying glass and scraped at the chucks with an xacto knife.  These chucks were over half the width of the tape and hard as a rock!  I never saw anything like it again.  Maybe because I never used Maxell again.   From: Kenny K To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 8:57:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? My experience is that I'd never touch another MX-S. I recorded about 150 tapes tapes( 90% were type 2 chromes) in the 80's and 90's. Of those I have 8 MX-S tapes and not one of them sounds any good today. The high freq's drift in and out. But mostly out. They sound just awful. ALL of my normal chrome and better chromes ie. XLII-S, SA-X etc still sound to my aging ears as good as they days I recorded them. The MX-S may sound superb when you record on them but they don't have nearly the longevity of the chromes in my experience anyways. Anyone else experience this ? perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: Like any of the big names, it depends on the year, but I've never met an MX-S I didn't like.  The "Man in Chair" ones are the least desirable, the earlier the better.  Sony XR, the same, earlier the better. XR is the European version of SR.  While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal tape. If you haven't been to vintagecassettes.com yet, you should take a look. 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URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Feb 15 21:37:15 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:37:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon service questions Message-ID: <189865385-1266266223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-68401907-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Here's one for Tom, Willy, John, or Kannan. In the Dragon SM calibration table, (step remark G) where you feed in the 5kHz and adjust VR822, as found, that voltage starts at about 11VDC and works its way down to close to 0. On 3 different Dragons, that has been the case. I have found 822 near midpoint and have to adjust 822 almost full CCW to get close to 0 within the first 10 seconds. Does this make sense? And in Step 2 Remark 5, where you adjust VR722 to get 35mV at TP101/201, for the 15kHz test tone, the most I get is 23mV. Is this normal? Suggestions? Thanks. Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From hitech at birch.net Tue Feb 16 00:26:15 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:26:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... In-Reply-To: <364569.81774.qm@web55108.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What is the problem with your Coherence? We just repaired one with one channel intermittently at maximum volume. Our own Willy is a Krell servicer BTW. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jayson levitz Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:31 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... Hi Ray. I have a question for you, which is off-topic. I have a 21 year old Jeff Rowland Coherence One, Series II pre-amp that needs to be worked on. Soundsmith is one of a few places that are supposed to be "experts" in working on Jeff Rowland equipment. My question - what is wrong with Soundsmith? Do you have experience with them? Thanks. Jayson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: "rayr0683 at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 8:00:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... Hello RAM, Im a Reel to Reel fanatic, I have a house full of decks, some are older, with Tubes and speakers built in, those are more for collecting. I also have my 4 that are my Pride and Joy. ALthjough having 4 is a bit ridiculous....honestly. I have a Mint fully gone over to better than Spec. AKAI GX-747 DBX Black, a TEAC X2000R-Black....these both have EE switches. I also have 2 Tandbergs, a Tandberg TD20A, and also a Tandberg TD20A-SE....these were totally rebuilt by a Tandberg Expert in NYC, according to Jeff Galin, of ESL, he told me this guy, his name is Nick (Tandberg)...is the best Tandberg Tech he has known, which I also felt myself, by the work he did, all new heads, etc..very affordable too. And he is not Soundsmith. Thank You for your answers, I live in New Jersey myself, its funny you got your new AKAI GX-747 DBX here in New Jersey. Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Feb 15 22:33:30 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:33:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic Message-ID: <015c01caae86$85bd0b10$91372130$@utah.edu> Wondering if someone may have a more detailed SM on a marantz 250m. I am working on one with high voltage on the speaker out. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From kroger1032 at rogers.com Tue Feb 16 01:29:56 2010 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (KEVIN ROGERS) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:29:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 dolby problem In-Reply-To: <833013.86044.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <846381.87950.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have an issue wiyh my LX-5. When either dolby b or c are engaged, there is a loud pop and the sound level goes down but the dolby does not seem to be engaged. Any guesses as to the cause?   Kevin Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Tue Feb 16 01:32:30 2010 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (KEVIN ROGERS) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:32:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 In-Reply-To: <833013.86044.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <460208.88030.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have run into a problem in the restoration of my Alpine AL-90. I need to replace an IC - HA12020, which I have been unable to source. Anybody know where I can find one or a substitute?   Kevin Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 02:09:52 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:09:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? In-Reply-To: <369839.66314.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <189967.96553.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI Kevin, You are correct. The Alpine AL 90( aka Luxman K-05) and the Alpine AL-85(aka Luxman K-04) are both equipped with the pressure pad lifter. The difference is that in the above decks the pressure pad lifter is placed longitudinally( vertically) and is screwed onto the siamese heads of these machines at the lower end. Same implementation of lifetr but iterated differently. Regards, Ram --- On Mon, 2/15/10, KEVIN ROGERS wrote: From: KEVIN ROGERS Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 12:44 PM Hi Jayson:   Luxman and Alpine (basically the same decks) also used a pressure pad lifter on some of their decks - Luxman K-03/04/05 an Alpine AL-85/90.   Kevin Rogers --- On Mon, 2/15/10, jayson levitz wrote: From: jayson levitz Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:36 PM Hi Fred.   I have a question for you. By the back tension system in TDK cassettes, are you referring to the pressure pad?  If you are, I thought all cassettes use a pressure pad to hold the tape against the heads.     Dual capstan Naks do not use this pressure pad.  Instead, they use a pressure pad lifter to remove it completely because they found that use of the pressure pad caused audible noise called scrape flutter.  Their dual capstan mechanism provides the precise tape tension needed for high quality audio.  I believe that no other cassette deck manufacturer used a pressure pad lifter.   Jayson  From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:22:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? I have used TDK SA formulations SA, SA-X, etc., for more than thirty years, and have found their performance to be stable and reliable. I do think the earlier ones that used the little screws to hold the clamshells together were made to stricter mechanical tolerences. I've always preferred the SA to the Maxell UDXLII, but when you go from cassette to reel-to-reel, I stand by Maxell UD 35-90. I still keep a supply of TDK SA in my store to sell to my cassette-deck-fanatic customers. One feature that has remained constant over the years with TDK SA is the back-tension system built into the cassettes themselves. Yes, the additional friction will frustrate decks that have poor FF and REW mechanics, but playback is rendered more stable, and that's what really counts. Fred On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: I had two Maxell MX-S tapes and that was enough to convince me never to use them again.  I only used TDK or Nakamichi tapes after that.  The MX-S sounded fine, but, each tape has 3-4 drop outs and they were brand new sealed tapes.  These drops out bugged the crap out of me and finally I stopped the tape and took a look and there were big flakes of iron mashed into the tape.  I put it under a magnifying glass and scraped at the chucks with an xacto knife.  These chucks were over half the width of the tape and hard as a rock!  I never saw anything like it again.  Maybe because I never used Maxell again.   From: Kenny K To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 8:57:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? My experience is that I'd never touch another MX-S. I recorded about 150 tapes tapes( 90% were type 2 chromes) in the 80's and 90's. Of those I have 8 MX-S tapes and not one of them sounds any good today. The high freq's drift in and out. But mostly out. They sound just awful. ALL of my normal chrome and better chromes ie. XLII-S, SA-X etc still sound to my aging ears as good as they days I recorded them. The MX-S may sound superb when you record on them but they don't have nearly the longevity of the chromes in my experience anyways. Anyone else experience this ? perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: Like any of the big names, it depends on the year, but I've never met an MX-S I didn't like.  The "Man in Chair" ones are the least desirable, the earlier the better.  Sony XR, the same, earlier the better. XR is the European version of SR.  While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal tape. If you haven't been to vintagecassettes.com yet, you should take a look. Pics and years, explanations.  No ratings tho. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 02:28:33 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:28:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: FW: [naktalk] Another Willy Hermann serviced deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <834159.35423.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Me too.I have had Willy go over my 1. 682 ZX 2. Dragon( a ROACH of a deck in Willy's own words) 3. A ZX9 that was tormented by me and fedex...(.thrice!) 4.A 1000ZXL that was transplanted with a Dragon DD motor and succelful. 5 An ALpine AL 90 needing TLC which he has heroically accepted to restore. 6. A SONY TC-KA7Es needing transport( rollers) job that he agreed to give a shot at. I have not had an issue with the top four whatsoever. Always a quick turnover and reasonable fees. Regards, Ram --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: FW: [naktalk] Another Willy Hermann serviced deck To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 11:43 AM It's a good idea to post decks serviced by the top notch guys on this forum. I had a deck serviced by Willy Herman and he did an excellent job. If by chance I'll ever post my decks serviced by Steve Sank (no longer on Naktalk), I'll let the group know. > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:02:04 -0500 > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: rjlbjk at verizon.net > Subject: [naktalk] Another Willy Hermann serviced deck > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160404740945&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. 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In-Reply-To: <940752.88487.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <184075759.4453611266152026190.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4B782B7D.2020103@comcast.net> <28770.93675.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <940752.88487.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jayson, On TDK tapes (well, a great many of them) -- if you insert a pen such as a BIC or similar in the little sprocket on the takeup side and give the tape a spin, just like the takeup reel will do -- you will find that the TDK tape *is slightly harder to turn than other brands. *If you play with the supply reel, you will find that this "friction" is also present on the supply side as well. * *This is because TDK uses an advanced reel design, where the permanent "lubrication papers" grip the tape a little tighter than some other brands of cassette tape. The result of this is that both takeup and feed are rendered more stable. This slightly improves the wow-and-flutter figure, and it also assures a more consistent tape-to-tape-head tension. This has nothing to do with the pressure pads inside the cassette. I first noticed this attribute of TDK tapes back in the 1970's. * * * * * The problem with pressure pads is complex. First, all pressure pads become contaminated over time, and this contamination is not put there with "strict quality control." Second, pressure pads are mounted on little leaf springs, which get misaligned and lose tension over time. Third, pressure pads often fall off, due to crappy glue. Most cassette decks require them because the back-tension systems are so primitive (or not there at all!) * * * * * The problem with tape-to-tape-head contact pressure (and stability of pressure) in dual-capstan systems is an interesting one. For it to work properly, the supply-side capstan needs to rotate the tiniest bit more slowly than the tapeup-side capstan. In both direct-drive and DC-motor drive systems, this imposes severe demands on the belt that drives the supply-side flywheel/capstan. Sony put out a service note about 1973 discussing this point on their TC-160/165/et al series of dual-capstan decks. Sony indicated that elastic characteristics of the belt caused the belt to stretch and relax as it moved onto and off of each flywheel, and if you worked out the mechanical engineering equations, this was what created the differential between supply-side and capstan-side angular velocities. For this reason, Sony said that the proverbial problem of a "loop of tape pulling away from the head" caused by loss of capstan-angular-velocity differential could only be cured by replacing the belt. My experience with both cassette and reel-to-reel designs has confirmed Sony's observations many hundreds of times. Sadly, for a replacement belt to generate this angular-velocity differential, it needs to have the correct elasticity; and for this to occur, it needs to be thin (.020"). Thicker, heavier belts do not have the correct elasticity. And, not only does the additional mass frequently turn the cassette transport into a spring-and-mass oscillator, the reduction in elasticity corrupts the stretch-and-relax phenomenon and correspondingly corrupts the angular-velocity differential. * * * * * Hope this explanation clarifies my points. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:36 AM, jayson levitz wrote: > Hi Fred. > > I have a question for you. By the back tension system in TDK cassettes, are > you referring to the pressure pad? If you are, I thought all cassettes use > a pressure pad to hold the tape against the heads. > > Dual capstan Naks do not use this pressure pad. Instead, they use a > pressure pad lifter to remove it completely because they found that use of > the pressure pad caused audible noise called scrape flutter. Their dual > capstan mechanism provides the precise tape tension needed for high quality > audio. I believe that no other cassette deck manufacturer used a pressure > pad lifter. > > Jayson > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fred Longworth > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sun, February 14, 2010 7:22:14 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? > > I have used TDK SA formulations SA, SA-X, etc., for more than thirty years, > and have found their performance to be stable and reliable. I do think the > earlier ones that used the little screws to hold the clamshells together > were made to stricter mechanical tolerences. > > I've always preferred the SA to the Maxell UDXLII, but when you go from > cassette to reel-to-reel, I stand by Maxell UD 35-90. > > I still keep a supply of TDK SA in my store to sell to my > cassette-deck-fanatic customers. > > One feature that has remained constant over the years with TDK SA is the > back-tension system built into the cassettes themselves. Yes, the additional > friction will frustrate decks that have poor FF and REW mechanics, but > playback is rendered more stable, and that's what really counts. > > Fred > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: > >> I had two Maxell MX-S tapes and that was enough to convince me never to >> use them again. I only used TDK or Nakamichi tapes after that. The MX-S >> sounded fine, but, each tape has 3-4 drop outs and they were brand new >> sealed tapes. These drops out bugged the crap out of me and finally I >> stopped the tape and took a look and there were big flakes of iron mashed >> into the tape. I put it under a magnifying glass and scraped at the chucks >> with an xacto knife. These chucks were over half the width of the tape and >> hard as a rock! I never saw anything like it again. Maybe because I never >> used Maxell again. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Kenny K >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Sun, February 14, 2010 8:57:33 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? >> >> My experience is that I'd never touch another MX-S. I recorded about 150 >> tapes tapes( 90% were type 2 chromes) in the 80's and 90's. Of those I have >> 8 MX-S tapes and not one of them sounds any good today. The high freq's >> drift in and out. But mostly out. They sound just awful. ALL of my normal >> chrome and better chromes ie. XLII-S, SA-X etc still sound to my aging ears >> as good as they days I recorded them. >> >> The MX-S may sound superb when you record on them but they don't have >> nearly the longevity of the chromes in my experience anyways. >> >> Anyone else experience this ? >> >> perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: >> >> Like any of the big names, it depends on the year, but I've never met an >> MX-S I didn't like. The "Man in Chair" ones are the least desirable, the >> earlier the better. Sony XR, the same, earlier the better. XR is the >> European version of SR. While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal tape. If >> you haven't been to vintagecassettes.com yet, you should take a look. >> Pics and years, explanations. No ratings tho. >> >> ------------------------------ >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom brucker" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:26:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... What is the problem with your Coherence? We just repaired one with one channel intermittently at maximum volume.  Our own Willy is a Krell servicer BTW. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jayson levitz Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:31 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... Hi Ray. I have a question for you, which is off-topic.  I have a 21 year old Jeff Rowland Coherence One, Series II pre-amp that needs to be worked on.  Soundsmith is one of a few places that are supposed to be "experts" in working on Jeff Rowland equipment. My question - what is wrong with Soundsmith?  Do you have experience with them? Thanks. Jayson From: "rayr0683 at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 8:00:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... Hello RAM,                          Im a Reel to Reel fanatic, I have a house full of decks, some are older, with Tubes and speakers built in, those are more for collecting. I also have my 4 that are my Pride and Joy. ALthjough having 4 is a bit ridiculous....honestly.   I have a Mint fully gone over to better than Spec. AKAI GX-747 DBX Black, a TEAC X2000R-Black....these both have EE switches.  I also have 2 Tandbergs, a Tandberg TD20A, and also a Tandberg TD20A-SE....these were totally rebuilt by a Tandberg Expert in NYC, according to Jeff Galin, of ESL, he told me this guy, his name is Nick (Tandberg)...is the best Tandberg Tech he has known, which I also felt myself, by the work he did, all new heads, etc..very affordable too.  And he is not Soundsmith.  Thank You for your answers, I live in New Jersey myself, its funny you got your new AKAI GX-747 DBX here in New Jersey.  Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 06:45:58 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:45:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 dolby problem In-Reply-To: <846381.87950.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <833013.86044.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <846381.87950.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I suspect that the loud pop is due to DC voltage going through the Dolby switch when it shouldn't. I suspect a shorted or leaky capacitor in the Dolby circuit. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, KEVIN ROGERS wrote: > I have an issue wiyh my LX-5. When either dolby b or c are engaged, there > is a loud pop and the sound level goes down but the dolby does not seem to > be engaged. Any guesses as to the cause? > > Kevin Rogers > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladosub at techno-link.com Tue Feb 16 12:18:53 2010 From: vladosub at techno-link.com (Vladimir Stankov) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:18:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 References: <460208.88030.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1FC894B3FB404978A0CF507EECD7836B@ak50ij> Hi Kevin, Check this out : http://www.iclocator.com/HA12020_inventory.html ----- Original Message ----- From: KEVIN ROGERS To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 I have run into a problem in the restoration of my Alpine AL-90. I need to replace an IC - HA12020, which I have been unable to source. Anybody know where I can find one or a substitute? Kevin Rogers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 15:14:18 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:14:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <57176.44546.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Fred, I always believed and have observed that the diameters of the take up and supply capstans are always different  in dual capstan Naks, and therefore, their angular velocities and thats what created accurate tension between the two capstans and not the belt to maintain the tape/head contact. The Dragon is living proof of this and its beltless. Reagrds, Ram --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 9:03 PM Jayson, On TDK tapes (well, a great many of them) -- if you insert a pen such as a BIC or similar in the little sprocket on the takeup side and give the tape a spin, just like the takeup reel will do -- you will find that the TDK tape is slightly harder to turn than other brands. If you play with the supply reel, you will find that this "friction" is also present on the supply side as well. This is because TDK uses an advanced reel design, where the permanent "lubrication papers" grip the tape a little tighter than some other brands of cassette tape. The result of this is that both takeup and feed are rendered more stable. This slightly improves the wow-and-flutter figure, and it also assures a more consistent tape-to-tape-head tension. This has nothing to do with the pressure pads inside the cassette. I first noticed this attribute of TDK tapes back in the 1970's. * * * * * The problem with pressure pads is complex. First, all pressure pads become contaminated over time, and this contamination is not put there with "strict quality control." Second, pressure pads are mounted on little leaf springs, which get misaligned and lose tension over time. Third, pressure pads often fall off, due to crappy glue. Most cassette decks require them because the back-tension systems are so primitive (or not there at all!) * * * * * The problem with tape-to-tape-head contact pressure (and stability of pressure) in dual-capstan systems is an interesting one. For it to work properly, the supply-side capstan needs to rotate the tiniest bit more slowly than the tapeup-side capstan. In both direct-drive and DC-motor drive systems, this imposes severe demands on the belt that drives the supply-side flywheel/capstan. Sony put out a service note about 1973 discussing this point on their TC-160/165/et al series of dual-capstan decks. Sony indicated that elastic characteristics of the belt caused the belt to stretch and relax as it moved onto and off of each flywheel, and if you worked out the mechanical engineering equations, this was what created the differential between supply-side and capstan-side angular velocities. For this reason, Sony said that the proverbial problem of a "loop of tape pulling away from the head" caused by loss of capstan-angular-velocity differential could only be cured by replacing the belt. My experience with both cassette and reel-to-reel designs has confirmed Sony's observations many hundreds of times. Sadly, for a replacement belt to generate this angular-velocity differential, it needs to have the correct elasticity; and for this to occur, it needs to be thin (.020"). Thicker, heavier belts do not have the correct elasticity. And, not only does the additional mass frequently turn the cassette transport into a spring-and-mass oscillator, the reduction in elasticity corrupts the stretch-and-relax phenomenon and correspondingly corrupts the angular-velocity differential. * * * * * Hope this explanation clarifies my points. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:36 AM, jayson levitz wrote: Hi Fred.   I have a question for you. By the back tension system in TDK cassettes, are you referring to the pressure pad?  If you are, I thought all cassettes use a pressure pad to hold the tape against the heads.     Dual capstan Naks do not use this pressure pad.  Instead, they use a pressure pad lifter to remove it completely because they found that use of the pressure pad caused audible noise called scrape flutter.  Their dual capstan mechanism provides the precise tape tension needed for high quality audio.  I believe that no other cassette deck manufacturer used a pressure pad lifter.   Jayson  From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:22:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? I have used TDK SA formulations SA, SA-X, etc., for more than thirty years, and have found their performance to be stable and reliable. I do think the earlier ones that used the little screws to hold the clamshells together were made to stricter mechanical tolerences. I've always preferred the SA to the Maxell UDXLII, but when you go from cassette to reel-to-reel, I stand by Maxell UD 35-90. I still keep a supply of TDK SA in my store to sell to my cassette-deck-fanatic customers. One feature that has remained constant over the years with TDK SA is the back-tension system built into the cassettes themselves. Yes, the additional friction will frustrate decks that have poor FF and REW mechanics, but playback is rendered more stable, and that's what really counts. Fred On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: I had two Maxell MX-S tapes and that was enough to convince me never to use them again.  I only used TDK or Nakamichi tapes after that.  The MX-S sounded fine, but, each tape has 3-4 drop outs and they were brand new sealed tapes.  These drops out bugged the crap out of me and finally I stopped the tape and took a look and there were big flakes of iron mashed into the tape.  I put it under a magnifying glass and scraped at the chucks with an xacto knife.  These chucks were over half the width of the tape and hard as a rock!  I never saw anything like it again.  Maybe because I never used Maxell again.   From: Kenny K To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 8:57:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? My experience is that I'd never touch another MX-S. I recorded about 150 tapes tapes( 90% were type 2 chromes) in the 80's and 90's. Of those I have 8 MX-S tapes and not one of them sounds any good today. The high freq's drift in and out. But mostly out. They sound just awful. ALL of my normal chrome and better chromes ie. XLII-S, SA-X etc still sound to my aging ears as good as they days I recorded them. The MX-S may sound superb when you record on them but they don't have nearly the longevity of the chromes in my experience anyways. Anyone else experience this ? perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: Like any of the big names, it depends on the year, but I've never met an MX-S I didn't like.  The "Man in Chair" ones are the least desirable, the earlier the better.  Sony XR, the same, earlier the better. XR is the European version of SR.  While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal tape. If you haven't been to vintagecassettes.com yet, you should take a look. 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Gabrenas                   Voice:           1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:             1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Feb 16 15:41:01 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:41:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 dolby problem In-Reply-To: References: <833013.86044.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <846381.87950.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68882CFE-99D7-47EF-AFB4-4ED65A1E6873@peromarta.org> ... Or a bad orange cap somewhere in dolby / playback amp board. Not familiar with the LX-5, I have seen this in other decks. rgds, LP http://naks.es El 16/02/2010, a las 06:45, Fred Longworth escribió: > I suspect that the loud pop is due to DC voltage going through the Dolby switch when it shouldn't. > > I suspect a shorted or leaky capacitor in the Dolby circuit. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > ********** > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, KEVIN ROGERS wrote: > I have an issue wiyh my LX-5. When either dolby b or c are engaged, there is a loud pop and the sound level goes down but the dolby does not seem to be engaged. 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Feb 16 18:06:22 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:06:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon service questions In-Reply-To: <189865385-1266266223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-68401907-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <189865385-1266266223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-68401907-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4b6f92901002160906uc776a64ha9945f7ba78e997f@mail.gmail.com> I does make sense if you understand what the NAAC circuit is trying to do. I find the Nak calibration procedure very cumbersome and use my own method which ends up being more accurate. I remove CN-5 and perform all mechanical adjustments - guide height, play and record head stroke, zenith, height and azimuth - as I would on any other deck. For play head azimuth you have to split the difference between forward and reverse - it you do it mechanically first you'll get an idea of how different the play head azimuth will be when the NAAC circuit takes over. I then reconnect CN-5 and adjust the azimuth references VR823, VR824 for pointer center on the azimuth block. With the azimuth reference tape I adjust VR701, VR702 so that the pointer is about the same distance from the center point. If you have adjusted the mechanical alignment properly with CN-5 unplugged, VR822 should be adjusted for pointer center with a 5kHz tone rec/play. Your problem with VR722 is likely due to a meter without sufficient bandwidth. Once playback level is properly adjusted, set VR721 for 0dB and VR722 for -20dB at the output when monitoring the respective signals. Then adjust VR702, VR802, VR703 and VR803 for the proper meter level on the deck. Any comments on that procedure from Tom, John, Kannan? Do you guys follow the Nak procedure to the letter? Willy On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:37 PM, wrote: > Here's one for Tom, Willy, John, or Kannan. > In the Dragon SM calibration table, (step remark G) where you feed in the > 5kHz and adjust VR822, as found, that voltage starts at about 11VDC and > works its way down to close to 0. On 3 different Dragons, that has been the > case. I have found 822 near midpoint and have to adjust 822 almost full CCW > to get close to 0 within the first 10 seconds. Does this make sense? And in > Step 2 Remark 5, where you adjust VR722 to get 35mV at TP101/201, for the > 15kHz test tone, the most I get is 23mV. Is this normal? Suggestions? > Thanks. Perry Esposito > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Feb 16 18:10:18 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:10:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic In-Reply-To: <015c01caae86$85bd0b10$91372130$@utah.edu> References: <015c01caae86$85bd0b10$91372130$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <4b6f92901002160910l7e918326o4ca8b0e0f4ab69b5@mail.gmail.com> Bala's right - likely shorted output. The 240/250M is a pretty simple amplifier design (built in the mid 70's after all). I've found that replacing all output devices in the bad channel is the only way to make it stay out in the field for any length of time - and make sure you reset the DC offset and idle current. Willy On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Wondering if someone may have a more detailed SM on a marantz 250m. I am > working on one with high voltage on the speaker out. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Tue Feb 16 18:57:57 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:57:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 dolby problem In-Reply-To: <846381.87950.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Orange cap disease. I recommend recapping all the orange caps in the deck. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of KEVIN ROGERS Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:30 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 dolby problem I have an issue wiyh my LX-5. When either dolby b or c are engaged, there is a loud pop and the sound level goes down but the dolby does not seem to be engaged. Any guesses as to the cause? Kevin Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Tue Feb 16 20:29:05 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:29:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon service questions In-Reply-To: <189865385-1266266223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-68401907-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Try replacing C859,C860, C823, C828 orange caps. If these are bad, recap the entire deck. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon service questions Here's one for Tom, Willy, John, or Kannan. In the Dragon SM calibration table, (step remark G) where you feed in the 5kHz and adjust VR822, as found, that voltage starts at about 11VDC and works its way down to close to 0. On 3 different Dragons, that has been the case. I have found 822 near midpoint and have to adjust 822 almost full CCW to get close to 0 within the first 10 seconds. Does this make sense? And in Step 2 Remark 5, where you adjust VR722 to get 35mV at TP101/201, for the 15kHz test tone, the most I get is 23mV. Is this normal? Suggestions? Thanks. Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From johngipps at ymail.com Tue Feb 16 17:10:11 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:10:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 84, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <201002161117.o1GB8E8j001744@zxe.naks.com> References: <201002161117.o1GB8E8j001744@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <201274.81453.qm@web113717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin This type of problem in an LX-5 is often due to defective capacitors on the Dolby NR PCB (orange caps). I have also replaced a reasonable number of defective Dolby ICs, but it is more likely caps. Obviously it could also be a few hundred other things, but it doesn't hurt to start with known offenders. Just a few questions to try to narrow it down... Do you hear the pop in both channels? Do you hear it in the Tape or the Source position of the Monitor Switch, or both positions(unlikely)? Does the VU meter shoot up when the pop is heard? Do you hear the pop when you press the Dolby On/Off button, or the B/C button? Regards John Gipps Message: 17 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:29:56 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN ROGERS Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 dolby problem To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <846381.87950.qm at web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have an issue wiyh my LX-5. When either dolby b or c are engaged, there is a loud pop and the sound level goes down but the dolby does not seem to be engaged. Any guesses as to the cause? Kevin Rogers __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 17:17:23 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:17:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? In-Reply-To: <57176.44546.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14050.10267.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dual capstans alone cannot keep the back tension from Spool holders- that is the supply spool to the first capstan.If there is little back tension, it can cause tape getting stuck at the entry in to capstan due to lack of proper guidance- it can get mangled and cause damage to the tape The Nak spools have specific tension maintaining mecahnisms to keep this at reasonable level. You have to use the Spool Torque meter to observe this. Also Dragon has specific tape guides which are actually floating and require back tension to engage properly during each direction. Eventhough it looks simple, it is very important part along with motion sensing belt kannan --- On Tue, 2/16/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 9:14 AM > Fred, > > I always believed and have observed that the diameters of > the take up and supply capstans are always different > in dual capstan Naks, and therefore, their angular > velocities and thats what created accurate tension between > the two capstans and not the belt to maintain the tape/head > contact. > > The Dragon is living proof of this and its beltless. > > Reagrds, > > Ram > > > --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Fred Longworth > wrote: > > From: Fred Longworth > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 9:03 PM > > Jayson, > > On TDK > tapes (well, a great many of them) -- if you insert a pen > such as a BIC or similar in the little sprocket on the > takeup side and give the tape a spin, just like the takeup > reel will do -- you will find that the TDK tape is > slightly harder to turn than other brands. If you play > with the supply reel, you will find that this > "friction" is also present on the supply side as > well. > > > This is because TDK uses an advanced reel design, where > the permanent "lubrication papers" grip the tape a > little tighter than some other brands of cassette tape. > > The result of this is that both takeup and feed are > rendered more stable. This slightly improves the > wow-and-flutter figure, and it also assures a more > consistent tape-to-tape-head tension. > > > This has nothing to do with the pressure pads inside the > cassette. > > I first noticed this attribute of TDK tapes back in the > 1970's. > > * * * * * > > The problem with pressure pads is complex. First, all > pressure pads become contaminated over time, and this > contamination is not put there with "strict quality > control." Second, pressure pads are mounted on little > leaf springs, which get misaligned and lose tension over > time. Third, pressure pads often fall off, due to crappy > glue. > > > Most cassette decks require them because the back-tension > systems are so primitive (or not there at all!) > > * * * * * > > The problem with tape-to-tape-head contact pressure (and > stability of pressure) in dual-capstan systems is an > interesting one. For it to work properly, the supply-side > capstan needs to rotate the tiniest bit more slowly than the > tapeup-side capstan. > > > In both direct-drive and DC-motor drive systems, this > imposes severe demands on the belt that drives the > supply-side flywheel/capstan. Sony put out a service note > about 1973 discussing this point on their TC-160/165/et al > series of dual-capstan decks. > > > Sony indicated that elastic characteristics of the belt > caused the belt to stretch and relax as it moved onto and > off of each flywheel, and if you worked out the mechanical > engineering equations, this was what created the > differential between supply-side and capstan-side angular > velocities. For this reason, Sony said that the proverbial > problem of a "loop of tape pulling away from the > head" caused by loss of capstan-angular-velocity > differential could only be cured by replacing the belt. > > > My experience with both cassette and reel-to-reel designs > has confirmed Sony's observations many hundreds of > times. > > Sadly, for a replacement belt to generate this > angular-velocity differential, it needs to have the correct > elasticity; and for this to occur, it needs to be thin > (.020"). Thicker, heavier belts do not have the correct > elasticity. And, not only does the additional mass > frequently turn the cassette transport into a > spring-and-mass oscillator, the reduction in elasticity > corrupts the stretch-and-relax phenomenon and > correspondingly corrupts the angular-velocity differential. > > > * * * * * > > Hope this explanation clarifies my points. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:36 AM, > jayson levitz wrote: > > Hi > Fred. > > > I have a question for you. By the back tension system > in TDK cassettes, are you referring to the pressure pad? > If you are, I thought all cassettes use a > pressure pad to hold the tape against the > heads. > > Dual capstan Naks do not use this pressure pad. > Instead, they use a pressure pad lifter to remove it > completely because they found that use of the pressure pad > caused audible noise called scrape flutter. > Their dual capstan mechanism provides the > precise tape tension needed for high quality > audio. I believe that no other cassette deck > manufacturer used a pressure pad lifter. > > > Jayson > > > > > > From: Fred > Longworth > To: Talk > about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: > Sun, February 14, 2010 7:22:14 PM > Subject: Re: > [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? > > > I have used TDK SA formulations SA, SA-X, etc., for more > than thirty years, and have found their performance to be > stable and reliable. I do think the earlier ones that used > the little screws to hold the clamshells together were made > to stricter mechanical tolerences. > > > I've always preferred the SA to the Maxell UDXLII, but > when you go from cassette to reel-to-reel, I stand by Maxell > UD 35-90. > > I still keep a supply of TDK SA in my store to sell to my > cassette-deck-fanatic customers. > > > One feature that has remained constant over the > years with TDK SA is the back-tension system built into > the cassettes themselves. Yes, the additional friction will > frustrate decks that have poor FF and REW mechanics, but > playback is rendered more stable, and that's what really > counts. > > > Fred > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > I had two Maxell MX-S tapes and that was enough to > convince me never to use them again. I only used TDK > or Nakamichi tapes after that. The MX-S sounded fine, > but, each tape has 3-4 drop outs and they were brand new > sealed tapes. These drops out bugged the crap out of > me and finally I stopped the tape and took a look and there > were big flakes of iron mashed into the tape. I put it > under a magnifying glass and scraped at the chucks with an > xacto knife. These chucks were over half the width of > the tape and hard as a rock! I never saw anything like > it again. Maybe because I never used Maxell again. > > > > > > > From: Kenny K > > To: Talk > about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Sun, > February 14, 2010 8:57:33 AM > Subject: Re: > [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? > > > > > My experience is that I'd never touch another > MX-S. I recorded about 150 tapes tapes( 90% were type 2 > chromes) in the 80's and 90's. Of those I have 8 > MX-S tapes and not one of them sounds any good today. The > high freq's drift in and out. But mostly out. They sound > just awful. ALL of my normal chrome and better chromes ie. > XLII-S, SA-X etc still sound to my aging ears as good as > they days I recorded them. > > > The MX-S may sound superb when you record on them but they > don't have nearly the longevity of the chromes in my > experience anyways. > > Anyone else experience this ? > > perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > > Like any of the big names, it depends > on the year, but I've never met an MX-S I didn't > like. The "Man in Chair" ones are the least > desirable, the earlier the better. Sony XR, the same, > earlier the better. XR is the European version of SR. > While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal tape. If you > haven't been to vintagecassettes.com > yet, you should take a look. Pics and years, explanations. > No ratings tho. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 17:42:52 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:42:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? In-Reply-To: <57176.44546.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <57176.44546.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is more complicated with Nakamichi designs, Ram -- agreed. The more that belts come into play, the more that the factors I explained before affect the capstan differential. Right now, there's a difficulty servicing dual-capstan products other than Nakamichi -- especially Teac -- because original belts are simply not available. On their reel-to-reels, for example, Teac along with Pioneer use a single belt for both capstans. They both will both sell you a belt that is approximately correct. If you order that same belt over a six-month period, you will get *different belts*. Some of them will work "okay." Some will fail to generate the angular velocity differential between supply and takeup capstans. The ones that fail will produce the proverbial "loose loop of tape" between the capstans. As you might guess, this variance in belt specs can be highly frustrating. As stated before, the key factor is that the flat belt needs to be thin. eBay is replete with flat belts that are the correct circumference, but insufficiently thin. I am forever shopping around for belts that have the correct mass/elasticity characteristics. When two belts are used -- a main capstan belt and a secondary "follower" belt for the supply flywheel/capstan -- the stretch/relax elasticity factor less determines the differential. Similarly, when direct-drive motor and a "slave" belt for the supply capstan are used. The very next Dragon that hits my bench . . . I am going to get out the vernier calipers and measure the *exact* diameters of flywheels and capstans. I'll post the results. * * * * * This is off the subject slightly . . . but take almost any cassette deck, and replace the belt(s) with .020" flat belts, and measure the wow-and-flutter. Then install .023" belts with the same circumference and measure w&f. Then take .025 belts and do the same. The w&f is *highly*sensitive to belt thinkness (and corresponding elasticity and mass). Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:14 AM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Fred, > > I always believed and have observed that the diameters of the take up and > supply capstans are always different in dual capstan Naks, and therefore, > their angular velocities and thats what created accurate tension between the > two capstans and not the belt to maintain the tape/head contact. > > The Dragon is living proof of this and its beltless. > > Reagrds, > > Ram > > > > --- On *Mon, 2/15/10, Fred Longworth *wrote: > > > From: Fred Longworth > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 9:03 PM > > > Jayson, > > On TDK tapes (well, a great many of them) -- if you insert a pen such as a > BIC or similar in the little sprocket on the takeup side and give the tape a > spin, just like the takeup reel will do -- you will find that the TDK tape > *is slightly harder to turn than other brands. *If you play with the > supply reel, you will find that this "friction" is also present on the > supply side as well. > * > *This is because TDK uses an advanced reel design, where the permanent > "lubrication papers" grip the tape a little tighter than some other brands > of cassette tape. > > The result of this is that both takeup and feed are rendered more stable. > This slightly improves the wow-and-flutter figure, and it also assures a > more consistent tape-to-tape-head tension. > > This has nothing to do with the pressure pads inside the cassette. > > I first noticed this attribute of TDK tapes back in the 1970's. > > * * * * * > > The problem with pressure pads is complex. First, all pressure pads become > contaminated over time, and this contamination is not put there with "strict > quality control." Second, pressure pads are mounted on little leaf springs, > which get misaligned and lose tension over time. Third, pressure pads often > fall off, due to crappy glue. > > Most cassette decks require them because the back-tension systems are so > primitive (or not there at all!) > > * * * * * > > The problem with tape-to-tape-head contact pressure (and stability of > pressure) in dual-capstan systems is an interesting one. For it to work > properly, the supply-side capstan needs to rotate the tiniest bit more > slowly than the tapeup-side capstan. > > In both direct-drive and DC-motor drive systems, this imposes severe > demands on the belt that drives the supply-side flywheel/capstan. Sony put > out a service note about 1973 discussing this point on their TC-160/165/et > al series of dual-capstan decks. > > Sony indicated that elastic characteristics of the belt caused the belt to > stretch and relax as it moved onto and off of each flywheel, and if you > worked out the mechanical engineering equations, this was what created the > differential between supply-side and capstan-side angular velocities. For > this reason, Sony said that the proverbial problem of a "loop of tape > pulling away from the head" caused by loss of capstan-angular-velocity > differential could only be cured by replacing the belt. > > My experience with both cassette and reel-to-reel designs has confirmed > Sony's observations many hundreds of times. > > Sadly, for a replacement belt to generate this angular-velocity > differential, it needs to have the correct elasticity; and for this to > occur, it needs to be thin (.020"). Thicker, heavier belts do not have the > correct elasticity. And, not only does the additional mass frequently turn > the cassette transport into a spring-and-mass oscillator, the reduction in > elasticity corrupts the stretch-and-relax phenomenon and correspondingly > corrupts the angular-velocity differential. > > * * * * * > > Hope this explanation clarifies my points. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:36 AM, jayson levitz > > wrote: > >> Hi Fred. >> >> I have a question for you. By the back tension system in TDK cassettes, >> are you referring to the pressure pad? If you are, I thought all cassettes >> use a pressure pad to hold the tape against the heads. >> >> Dual capstan Naks do not use this pressure pad. Instead, they use a >> pressure pad lifter to remove it completely because they found that use of >> the pressure pad caused audible noise called scrape flutter. Their dual >> capstan mechanism provides the precise tape tension needed for high quality >> audio. I believe that no other cassette deck manufacturer used a pressure >> pad lifter. >> >> Jayson >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fred Longworth >> > >> >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >> *Sent:* Sun, February 14, 2010 7:22:14 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? >> >> I have used TDK SA formulations SA, SA-X, etc., for more than thirty >> years, and have found their performance to be stable and reliable. I do >> think the earlier ones that used the little screws to hold the clamshells >> together were made to stricter mechanical tolerences. >> >> I've always preferred the SA to the Maxell UDXLII, but when you go from >> cassette to reel-to-reel, I stand by Maxell UD 35-90. >> >> I still keep a supply of TDK SA in my store to sell to my >> cassette-deck-fanatic customers. >> >> One feature that has remained constant over the years with TDK SA is the >> back-tension system built into the cassettes themselves. Yes, the additional >> friction will frustrate decks that have poor FF and REW mechanics, but >> playback is rendered more stable, and that's what really counts. >> >> Fred >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Johnson >> > wrote: >> >>> I had two Maxell MX-S tapes and that was enough to convince me never to >>> use them again. I only used TDK or Nakamichi tapes after that. The MX-S >>> sounded fine, but, each tape has 3-4 drop outs and they were brand new >>> sealed tapes. These drops out bugged the crap out of me and finally I >>> stopped the tape and took a look and there were big flakes of iron mashed >>> into the tape. I put it under a magnifying glass and scraped at the chucks >>> with an xacto knife. These chucks were over half the width of the tape and >>> hard as a rock! I never saw anything like it again. Maybe because I never >>> used Maxell again. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Kenny K >>> > >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >>> *Sent:* Sun, February 14, 2010 8:57:33 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? >>> >>> My experience is that I'd never touch another MX-S. I recorded about 150 >>> tapes tapes( 90% were type 2 chromes) in the 80's and 90's. Of those I have >>> 8 MX-S tapes and not one of them sounds any good today. The high freq's >>> drift in and out. But mostly out. They sound just awful. ALL of my normal >>> chrome and better chromes ie. XLII-S, SA-X etc still sound to my aging ears >>> as good as they days I recorded them. >>> >>> The MX-S may sound superb when you record on them but they don't have >>> nearly the longevity of the chromes in my experience anyways. >>> >>> Anyone else experience this ? >>> >>> perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: >>> >>> Like any of the big names, it depends on the year, but I've never met an >>> MX-S I didn't like. The "Man in Chair" ones are the least desirable, the >>> earlier the better. Sony XR, the same, earlier the better. XR is the >>> European version of SR. While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal tape. If >>> you haven't been to vintagecassettes.com yet, you should take a look. >>> Pics and years, explanations. No ratings tho. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 18:00:25 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:00:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic In-Reply-To: <565169.50064.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <015c01caae86$85bd0b10$91372130$@utah.edu> <565169.50064.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On the 250, if you have shorted output transistors, you will blow the main fuse -- and it will usually be blackened inside. If you do, use ON Semiconductor MJ21194G for the NPN device and MJ21193G for the PNP device. These are available from Mouser and Digi-Key. Check the driver transistors for leakage. Check resistors in the driver/output section to see if they have been "burned" due to the failure. Check the bias compensation device(s). Check the idling current on-card trimmer potentiometer, and -- at the very least -- treat it with Caig DeoxIT. Also, check the protection relay for damaged contacts. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Victor, > > Looks like you are dealing with shorted output transistors. > > Regards > Bala > > --- On *Tue, 2/16/10, Victor Gabrenas * wrote: > > > From: Victor Gabrenas > Subject: [naktalk] Off topic > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 5:33 AM > > > Wondering if someone may have a more detailed SM on a marantz 250m. I am > working on one with high voltage on the speaker out. > > Victor M. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 18:14:42 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:14:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 dolby problem In-Reply-To: <68882CFE-99D7-47EF-AFB4-4ED65A1E6873@peromarta.org> References: <833013.86044.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <846381.87950.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <68882CFE-99D7-47EF-AFB4-4ED65A1E6873@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Ah yes, the infamous orange caps!!! I use Xicon, Vishay/Sprague, or Mallory film caps as replacements. Available from Mouser. The high-failure orange caps are about the same size as a PEA, and shaped like a tiny pillow. When they fail, they SHORT. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > ... Or a bad orange cap somewhere in dolby / playback amp board. Not > familiar with the LX-5, I have seen this in other decks. > > rgds, LP > > http://naks.es > > El 16/02/2010, a las 06:45, Fred Longworth escribió: > > I suspect that the loud pop is due to DC voltage going through the Dolby > switch when it shouldn't. > > I suspect a shorted or leaky capacitor in the Dolby circuit. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > ********** > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, KEVIN ROGERS wrote: > >> I have an issue wiyh my LX-5. When either dolby b or c are engaged, >> there is a loud pop and the sound level goes down but the dolby does not >> seem to be engaged. 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I remove CN-5 and perform all mechanical > adjustments - guide height, play and record head stroke, zenith, height and > azimuth - as I would on any other deck. For play head azimuth you have to > split the difference between forward and reverse - it you do it mechanically > first you'll get an idea of how different the play head azimuth will be when > the NAAC circuit takes over. I then reconnect CN-5 and adjust the azimuth > references VR823, VR824 for pointer center on the azimuth block. With the > azimuth reference tape I adjust VR701, VR702 so that the pointer is about > the same distance from the center point. If you have adjusted the > mechanical alignment properly with CN-5 unplugged, VR822 should be adjusted > for pointer center with a 5kHz tone rec/play. Your problem with VR722 is > likely due to a meter without sufficient bandwidth. Once playback level is > properly adjusted, set VR721 for 0dB and VR722 for -20dB at the output when > monitoring the respective signals. Then adjust VR702, VR802, VR703 and > VR803 for the proper meter level on the deck. > > Any comments on that procedure from Tom, John, Kannan? Do you guys follow > the Nak procedure to the letter? > > Willy > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:37 PM, wrote: > >> Here's one for Tom, Willy, John, or Kannan. >> In the Dragon SM calibration table, (step remark G) where you feed in the >> 5kHz and adjust VR822, as found, that voltage starts at about 11VDC and >> works its way down to close to 0. On 3 different Dragons, that has been the >> case. I have found 822 near midpoint and have to adjust 822 almost full CCW >> to get close to 0 within the first 10 seconds. Does this make sense? And in >> Step 2 Remark 5, where you adjust VR722 to get 35mV at TP101/201, for the >> 15kHz test tone, the most I get is 23mV. Is this normal? Suggestions? >> Thanks. 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Feb 16 19:48:47 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:48:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002160910l7e918326o4ca8b0e0f4ab69b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <015c01caae86$85bd0b10$91372130$@utah.edu> <4b6f92901002160910l7e918326o4ca8b0e0f4ab69b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201caaf38$ac068be0$0413a3a0$@utah.edu> You both were correct, however I was trying to track down the DC that caused it. It ended up being a small Darlington with an open. I broke down and bought an SM after spending too much timeL Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off topic Bala's right - likely shorted output. The 240/250M is a pretty simple amplifier design (built in the mid 70's after all). I've found that replacing all output devices in the bad channel is the only way to make it stay out in the field for any length of time - and make sure you reset the DC offset and idle current. Willy On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: Wondering if someone may have a more detailed SM on a marantz 250m. I am working on one with high voltage on the speaker out. Victor M. 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And a special rubber, that is resistant to any chemicals, so you could use anything you like to clean them, with no issues, this was all a guarantee.                      I bought 2 of these rollers, for $100.00 a peice, and soon noticed, that when either of my Tandberg Decks were playing for some time, the bearings were actually tight, and would seize up, so hard that I could not even budge them with all my might, by hand. I would remove them, and try several lubricants, synthetic oils, greases, etc.....and soon enough, same thing again, seized up. This was on 2 seperate rollers. So, I called, and to put it mildly, was a nightmare to get my money back. When I mentioned this before, he contacted me, and threatened to sue me for negatively affecting his business. I have read of late, in some of the vinyl/Turntable forums I belong to, that guys sent in their classic cartridges, for top of the line rebuilds he does, and several have had no sound in 1 of the channels. As far as Tandberg, which he loves, and supposedly specializes in, he does not tell accurately, or precisely what he will do, just that it starts at $650.00 for getting a machine reworked, with no parts costs included. I had both my Tandergs completely restored by Nick, that Jeff galin knows, for $650.00 and I got all new Tandberg Heads on each deck, along with other parts, and fully restored, with some modifications, to better than factory specs.  That is my experiences with Soundsmith, I also read about them in the FM Tuner Info group, not so hot a writeup, for same reasons. I had my Tandberg TPT-3001A Tuner completely restored by Nick as well, and wow, its an amazing tuner.  Lastly, there is a Tandberg rep, from Norway, who lives in NYC, working for Tandberg still, and he recommended me to Nick, and steered me away from so called other tandberg authorized specialists. As for the rowland stuff, I cant advise you. I dont know about him with that. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Feb 16 21:10:41 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:10:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 continued Message-ID: Received Fred's belt kit (very well packaged btw) and changed the capstan belt and the cam belt. Changing the capstan belt was too easy thanks to the instructions by the experts! But... Played a tape for about 10 seconds and heard it play not so good. Switched off the deck, inspected the belt (no problems here) and turned the deck on again... now tape does not play! So now it suffers from the same problem as my other zx-9, no rotating capstans, I suppose orange cap(s) on the DD board? I checked the capstans were turning after replacing the belt and turning on the deck for the first time! I also noticed problems in source with the 400hz tone, so also orange caps there somewhere acting up.... A trip to Tom van der Hoff has to be planned soon! Wouter From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 21:06:16 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:06:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... In-Reply-To: <65248035.4632481266290519118.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <65248035.4632481266290519118.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <603220.45948.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Tom and Dean (sounds like a rock group from the 60s!!!): My Coherence pre-amp makes a low buzzing sound, and this increases in volume greatly when I toggle the the phase switch on and off (and I have no idea what this phase switch does).  Also, the mute switch mutes the pre-amp even when off.  I have to toggle it on and off numerous times to get audio, so I do not even use the mute at all now.   Some time back I did call Jeff Rowland Design Group and told them of my problem.  They said it sounds like the capacitors have to be replaced (the dreaded orange cap disease?).  I was trying to avoid sending it to them, since Soundsmith is only about an hour's drive from my home.  But on second thought, maybe Rowland is the better choice since they probably have original parts and can totally overhaul it like Jeff at ESL did to my CR7. I also still have the wooden crate it came in, and I also have the wooden crate the Model 5 came in.  You do not see audio equipment shipped this way any more. Jayson ________________________________ From: "dbauer45 at comcast.net" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 10:21:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... Jayson, Or you can go directly to the Rowland Design Group for service.  http://www.jeffrowland.com/Service.htm My Coherence just got back from service about a month ago and it is as good as new.  I was told by the staff that Jeff did the repair himself.  It did take about 6 months to get it back, so if you do decide to return it, you might ask about turnaround time.  Oh, and it was sent both ways by ground (UPS if I recall).  I had the original boxes, wooden crates really, and packing materials to keep it safe in transport. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom brucker" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:26:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... What is the problem with your Coherence? We just repaired one with one channel intermittently at maximum volume.  Our own Willy is a Krell servicer BTW.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jayson levitz >Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:31 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... > > >Hi Ray. > >I have a question for you, which is off-topic.  I have a 21 year old Jeff Rowland Coherence One, Series II pre-amp that needs to be worked on.  Soundsmith is one of a few places that are supposed to be "experts" in working on Jeff Rowland equipment. My question - what is wrong with Soundsmith?  Do you have experience with them? > >Thanks. > >Jayson > > > > ________________________________ From: "rayr0683 at comcast.net" >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 8:00:58 AM >Subject: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... > > >Hello RAM, >                         Im a Reel to Reel fanatic, I have a house full of decks, some are older, with Tubes and speakers built in, those are more for collecting. I also have my 4 that are my Pride and Joy. ALthjough having 4 is a bit ridiculous....honestly.   I have a Mint fully gone over to better than Spec. AKAI GX-747 DBX Black, a TEAC X2000R-Black....these both have EE switches.  I also have 2 Tandbergs, a Tandberg TD20A, and also a Tandberg TD20A-SE....these were totally rebuilt by a Tandberg Expert in NYC, according to Jeff Galin, of ESL, he told me this guy, his name is Nick (Tandberg)...is the best Tandberg Tech he has known, which I also felt myself, by the work he did, all new heads, etc..very affordable too.  And he is not Soundsmith.  Thank You for your answers, I live in New Jersey myself, its funny you got your new AKAI GX-747 DBX here in New Jersey.  Ray > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 16 23:05:29 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:05:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck Message-ID: I have a chance to buy a 600, a 600 II cassette deck, and a 600 series rack. Play, REW, and FF are not working on the 600's. Can someone please let me know what the non-working 600 decks and the 600 series rack is going for on Ebay (U.S. dollars). Please respond ASAP as I'm strongly considering buying. Thank you. _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 22:23:31 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:23:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Soundsmith-Jayson In-Reply-To: <901843588.4625011266335696200.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <381217.94004.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI Ray, Now you scare me. My 3014A( almost new physical condition) is there for an overhaul since November. I shall post when received back. Meeting Peter was a very nice experience though in his studio. Lets see. Ram --- On Tue, 2/16/10, rayr0683 at comcast.net wrote: From: rayr0683 at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Soundsmith-Jayson To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 10:54 AM #yiv309663070 p {margin:0;} Hello Jayson,                                  I personally have dealt with soundsmith, and did not have pleasant experience. It took much arguing to get my money back. He has special Tandberg Pinch Rollers custom made, supposedly to precise measurements, with the bearing center holes. And a special rubber, that is resistant to any chemicals, so you could use anything you like to clean them, with no issues, this was all a guarantee.                        I bought 2 of these rollers, for $100.00 a peice, and soon noticed, that when either of my Tandberg Decks were playing for some time, the bearings were actually tight, and would seize up, so hard that I could not even budge them with all my might, by hand. I would remove them, and try several lubricants, synthetic oils, greases, etc.....and soon enough, same thing again, seized up. This was on 2 seperate rollers. So, I called, and to put it mildly, was a nightmare to get my money back. When I mentioned this before, he contacted me, and threatened to sue me for negatively affecting his business. I have read of late, in some of the vinyl/Turntable forums I belong to, that guys sent in their classic cartridges, for top of the line rebuilds he does, and several have had no sound in 1 of the channels. As far as Tandberg, which he loves, and supposedly specializes in, he does not tell accurately, or precisely what he will do, just that it starts at $650.00 for getting a machine reworked, with no parts costs included. I had both my Tandergs completely restored by Nick, that Jeff galin knows, for $650.00 and I got all new Tandberg Heads on each deck, along with other parts, and fully restored, with some modifications, to better than factory specs.  That is my experiences with Soundsmith, I also read about them in the FM Tuner Info group, not so hot a writeup, for same reasons. I had my Tandberg TPT-3001A Tuner completely restored by Nick as well, and wow, its an amazing tuner.  Lastly, there is a Tandberg rep, from Norway, who lives in NYC, working for Tandberg still, and he recommended me to Nick, and steered me away from so called other tandberg authorized specialists. As for the rowland stuff, I cant advise you. I dont know about him with that. 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For anyone needing to replace these, and wanting to do it on your own, there is an excellent tutorial on AudioKarma, by an Engineer, and Restorer of decks, named WolfBob...very clear instructions, and the tools required to do so.  Just a FYI to RAM or anyone else owning one.  Ray -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Feb 17 00:25:38 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:25:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon service questions In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002160906uc776a64ha9945f7ba78e997f@mail.gmail.com> References: <189865385-1266266223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-68401907-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><4b6f92901002160906uc776a64ha9945f7ba78e997f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1610523858-1266362726-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2033514946-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Actually, that makes perfect sense to me, Willy, as it's very similar to what I've worked my way up to! It looks like VR822 adjusts how far the NAAC circuit swings in order to find minimum phase difference. I couldn't see how adjusting it with CN5 removed at pin 1 really showed anything. If you dial it to min per the procedure, then the NAAC will not search wide enough and simply settles at a local min point, not necessarily THE min point. Widening it bit resolves that. Too wide, and it hunts and readjusts too often. Thanks for confirming that. As far as the test tones go, I had no trouble at all getting 0dB with 400Hz, and -20dB at 15kHz on the output jacks, even before I tested and adjusted the signal at TP101/102. On all 3 dragons I've worked on I've noticed that 0dB has been less than the 350mV spec (usually around 325mV), and the -20dB of the 15kHz has been around 18-19mV. The output amp has plenty of gain to get the correct level at the output jacks, but I wondered if these were normal values, since I had no trouble getting 350mV at TP101 for 0dB, but could only get 23mV for the -20dB on the 15kHz. It's not bandwidth on my meters (I had thought of that too) but as I have a T-100, a Leader LAS-5500, Fluke DVM good through RF and the meter on my W&F meter, plus my scope and they all agree on the same value, I'm confident it's true. But since you can make up the gain afterwards, as long as the meters on the deck and output all agree for 0 and -20dB, it's sort of moot. The SM is full of old serial number references that aren't valid on newer decks, it could easily have been a circuit mod. I was just trying to find out if anyone else had similar test point values. Thanks so much for your time, it is greatly appreciated! Perry Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Willy Hermann Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:06:22 To: ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon service questions I does make sense if you understand what the NAAC circuit is trying to do. I find the Nak calibration procedure very cumbersome and use my own method which ends up being more accurate. I remove CN-5 and perform all mechanical adjustments - guide height, play and record head stroke, zenith, height and azimuth - as I would on any other deck. For play head azimuth you have to split the difference between forward and reverse - it you do it mechanically first you'll get an idea of how different the play head azimuth will be when the NAAC circuit takes over. I then reconnect CN-5 and adjust the azimuth references VR823, VR824 for pointer center on the azimuth block. With the azimuth reference tape I adjust VR701, VR702 so that the pointer is about the same distance from the center point. If you have adjusted the mechanical alignment properly with CN-5 unplugged, VR822 should be adjusted for pointer center with a 5kHz tone rec/play. Your problem with VR722 is likely due to a meter without sufficient bandwidth. Once playback level is properly adjusted, set VR721 for 0dB and VR722 for -20dB at the output when monitoring the respective signals. Then adjust VR702, VR802, VR703 and VR803 for the proper meter level on the deck. Any comments on that procedure from Tom, John, Kannan? Do you guys follow the Nak procedure to the letter? Willy On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:37 PM, wrote: > Here's one for Tom, Willy, John, or Kannan. > In the Dragon SM calibration table, (step remark G) where you feed in the > 5kHz and adjust VR822, as found, that voltage starts at about 11VDC and > works its way down to close to 0. On 3 different Dragons, that has been the > case. I have found 822 near midpoint and have to adjust 822 almost full CCW > to get close to 0 within the first 10 seconds. Does this make sense? And in > Step 2 Remark 5, where you adjust VR722 to get 35mV at TP101/201, for the > 15kHz test tone, the most I get is 23mV. Is this normal? Suggestions? > Thanks. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 01:02:17 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:02:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Soundsmith-Jayson In-Reply-To: <901843588.4625011266335696200.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <901843588.4625011266335696200.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: For quality pinch roller restoration, I use Terry's Rubber Rollers. He is a machinist and works to very close tolerances. Check out his website. http://www.terrysrubberrollers.com/ Fred Longworth Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 7:54 AM, wrote: > > Hello Jayson, > > I personally have dealt with soundsmith, > and did not have pleasant experience. It took much arguing to get my money > back. He has special Tandberg Pinch Rollers custom made, supposedly to > precise measurements, with the bearing center holes. And a special rubber, > that is resistant to any chemicals, so you could use anything you like to > clean them, with no issues, this was all a guarantee. > > > > I bought 2 of these rollers, for $100.00 a peice, and > soon noticed, that when either of my Tandberg Decks were playing for some > time, the bearings were actually tight, and would seize up, so hard that I > could not even budge them with all my might, by hand. I would remove them, > and try several lubricants, synthetic oils, greases, etc.....and soon > enough, same thing again, seized up. This was on 2 seperate rollers. So, I > called, and to put it mildly, was a nightmare to get my money back. When I > mentioned this before, he contacted me, and threatened to sue me for > negatively affecting his business. I have read of late, in some of the > vinyl/Turntable forums I belong to, that guys sent in their classic > cartridges, for top of the line rebuilds he does, and several have had no > sound in 1 of the channels. As far as Tandberg, which he loves, and > supposedly specializes in, he does not tell accurately, or precisely what he > will do, just that it starts at $650.00 for getting a machine reworked, with > no parts costs included. I had both my Tandergs completely restored by Nick, > that Jeff galin knows, for $650.00 and I got all new Tandberg Heads on each > deck, along with other parts, and fully restored, with some modifications, > to better than factory specs. That is my experiences with Soundsmith, I > also read about them in the FM Tuner Info group, not so hot a writeup, for > same reasons. I had my Tandberg TPT-3001A Tuner completely restored by Nick > as well, and wow, its an amazing tuner. Lastly, there is a Tandberg rep, > from Norway, who lives in NYC, working for Tandberg still, and he > recommended me to Nick, and steered me away from so called other tandberg > authorized specialists. > > As for the rowland stuff, I cant advise you. I dont know about him with > that. Very expensive though, and try to get to know what is being done to > your equipment, you deserve to know. Ray > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Wed Feb 17 01:39:56 2010 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (KEVIN ROGERS) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:39:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Soundsmith-Jayson In-Reply-To: <901843588.4625011266335696200.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <975537.41520.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello Ray:   Would you be able to provide contact information for Nick? I have several TD-20ASEs and a 3014A that I would like to have serviced.   Kevin --- On Tue, 2/16/10, rayr0683 at comcast.net wrote: From: rayr0683 at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Soundsmith-Jayson To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 3:54 PM #yiv958357656 p {margin:0;} Hello Jayson,                                  I personally have dealt with soundsmith, and did not have pleasant experience. It took much arguing to get my money back. He has special Tandberg Pinch Rollers custom made, supposedly to precise measurements, with the bearing center holes. And a special rubber, that is resistant to any chemicals, so you could use anything you like to clean them, with no issues, this was all a guarantee.                        I bought 2 of these rollers, for $100.00 a peice, and soon noticed, that when either of my Tandberg Decks were playing for some time, the bearings were actually tight, and would seize up, so hard that I could not even budge them with all my might, by hand. I would remove them, and try several lubricants, synthetic oils, greases, etc.....and soon enough, same thing again, seized up. This was on 2 seperate rollers. So, I called, and to put it mildly, was a nightmare to get my money back. When I mentioned this before, he contacted me, and threatened to sue me for negatively affecting his business. I have read of late, in some of the vinyl/Turntable forums I belong to, that guys sent in their classic cartridges, for top of the line rebuilds he does, and several have had no sound in 1 of the channels. As far as Tandberg, which he loves, and supposedly specializes in, he does not tell accurately, or precisely what he will do, just that it starts at $650.00 for getting a machine reworked, with no parts costs included. I had both my Tandergs completely restored by Nick, that Jeff galin knows, for $650.00 and I got all new Tandberg Heads on each deck, along with other parts, and fully restored, with some modifications, to better than factory specs.  That is my experiences with Soundsmith, I also read about them in the FM Tuner Info group, not so hot a writeup, for same reasons. I had my Tandberg TPT-3001A Tuner completely restored by Nick as well, and wow, its an amazing tuner.  Lastly, there is a Tandberg rep, from Norway, who lives in NYC, working for Tandberg still, and he recommended me to Nick, and steered me away from so called other tandberg authorized specialists. As for the rowland stuff, I cant advise you. I dont know about him with that. Very expensive though, and try to get to know what is being done to your equipment, you deserve to know.  Ray -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Wed Feb 17 01:42:55 2010 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (KEVIN ROGERS) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:42:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 In-Reply-To: <1FC894B3FB404978A0CF507EECD7836B@ak50ij> Message-ID: <882259.79788.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks Vladimir. I emailed them for a quote.   Kevin --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Vladimir Stankov wrote: From: Vladimir Stankov Subject: Re: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 11:18 AM Hi Kevin,   Check this out :   http://www.iclocator.com/HA12020_inventory.html ----- Original Message ----- From: KEVIN ROGERS To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 I have run into a problem in the restoration of my Alpine AL-90. I need to replace an IC - HA12020, which I have been unable to source. 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URL: From spmcmanus at cox.net Wed Feb 17 02:01:53 2010 From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:01:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 not recording Message-ID: <20100216200153.YTVOE.717279.imail@eastrmwml30> Guys, I have a 680 Nak that will not record the 400 test tone nor any audio input. It will play back any tape I choose just no signal from this deck. The ram light is out and also the speed selector light ,any possible connection there? I also noticed that when I tried to calibrate for recording the test signal did not indicate "0". When I flipped the switch to tape the test tone dropped off. Any ideas? From spmcmanus at cox.net Wed Feb 17 02:06:14 2010 From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:06:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 problem Message-ID: <20100216200614.JBQ1I.717348.imail@eastrmwml30> My LX-5 headphone jack stopped working I can't monitor a recording or listen during playback. Any ideas? From matilsky at physics.rutgers.edu Wed Feb 17 02:35:15 2010 From: matilsky at physics.rutgers.edu (Terry Matilsky) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:35:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Set up gauges References: 980550.29653.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com Message-ID: <4B7B47D3.2000704@physics.rutgers.edu> What is the status of the set up gauges that Willy was talking about. The last reference I see is from October. Cheers, Terry -- -- NEW BANNER: "In a dark time, the eye begins to see." Theodore Roethke --- All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer ======= Professor Terry Matilsky Rutgers University matilsky at physics.rutgers.edu Department of Physics Phone: 732 445 3876 136 Frelinghuysen Road Fax: 732 445 4343 Piscataway, N. J. 08854-8019 http://xray.rutgers.edu/~matilsky From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 03:21:04 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:21:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Fred-Off Topic BELTS FOR AKAI GX-747 TENSION ARMS In-Reply-To: <1658425668.4633121266336423899.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1658425668.4633121266336423899.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Ray. Someone on eBay is selling bogus belt kits for the GX-747DBX tension arms. Rather than the slender little belts actually required, the "kit" includes (get ready for this. . .) O-rings. These are very thick and have very little stretch -- and on the delicate tension assemblies, they simply don't work. A fellow came into my repair shop with one of these kits. We were shocked and dismayed. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:07 AM, wrote: > Hello Fred, > > good to know you carry correct belts for the > Akai GX-747 Tension Arms. For anyone needing to replace these, and wanting > to do it on your own, there is an excellent tutorial on AudioKarma, by an > Engineer, and Restorer of decks, named WolfBob...very clear instructions, > and the tools required to do so. Just a FYI to RAM or anyone else owning > one. Ray > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 05:27:57 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:27:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 continued In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A simple troubleshooter's question . . . before you replaced the belts, even though it may not have run "up to spec," did it in fact run tape? If so, then I suspect you made a technical error in installing the belts. (Don't feel bad. I've been repairing audio gear for nearly 40 years, and have made more technical errors in that time than I can count!) If the machine had serious problems with running tape prior to your replacing the belt kit, then you are certainly no worse off than before, and -- with the new belt kit installed -- actually better off. ********** If this were on my bench, I would check the power supply, including all regulated voltages to make sure they're there. I would check the wiring in the area where I was working to replace the belts, just to make sure that no wire(s) came loose. I would check any detect switches that need to be depressed when the tape is seated in the cassette compartment. I would turn the capstans with my hand to make sure they are not binding. Check for something rubbing against the capstan rims, and check the thrust bearing on the capstans. I do not think that the 400 Hz test tone generator problem and the "doesn't run tape problem" are related, except for the coincidence that they are on the same machine. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com > > > But... Played a tape for about 10 seconds and heard it play not so good. > Switched off the deck, inspected the belt (no problems here) and turned > the deck on again... now tape does not play! > So now it suffers from the same problem as my other zx-9, no rotating > capstans, I suppose orange cap(s) on the DD board? I checked the capstans > were turning after replacing the belt and turning on the deck for the > first time! > > I also noticed problems in source with the 400hz tone, so also orange caps > there somewhere acting up.... A trip to Tom van der Hoff has to be planned > soon! > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at windstream.net Wed Feb 17 05:50:19 2010 From: gjgkerrtx at windstream.net (jerry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:50:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BIAS TUNE knob Message-ID: How do I correctly use this feature on my Nak RX-303? I don't seem to be able to discern a difference by ear, even though I am using excellent cans( ATH- AD2000), and a decent ,though not dedicated headphone preamp (DBX CX3MkII). Is it Okay to twist this knob while the cassette is playing? Right now I have the Knob at 12 0'clock. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From harvmail7 at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 10:30:45 2010 From: harvmail7 at gmail.com (Lawrence Harvey) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:30:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help...? Message-ID: <8dddacb41002170130o3562bbbcoe52bda248a89740e@mail.gmail.com> My Nak CR-7A is in "like-new" condition. I haven't used it in 6 years and just connected it and everything turned on at first, then some of the lights went out and now none of the control buttons will operate!? Is this going to be very expensive? -- Larry Harvey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Wed Feb 17 16:25:48 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:25:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 continued In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wouter, Yes, change the DD motor board orange cap. It is easier to replace both C516 and C524 with a single 2200pf mylar cap. The speed should remain close to the same if you use a 1% or 2% cap. The ca[p may be soldered in either position. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 continued Received Fred's belt kit (very well packaged btw) and changed the capstan belt and the cam belt. Changing the capstan belt was too easy thanks to the instructions by the experts! But... Played a tape for about 10 seconds and heard it play not so good. Switched off the deck, inspected the belt (no problems here) and turned the deck on again... now tape does not play! So now it suffers from the same problem as my other zx-9, no rotating capstans, I suppose orange cap(s) on the DD board? I checked the capstans were turning after replacing the belt and turning on the deck for the first time! I also noticed problems in source with the 400hz tone, so also orange caps there somewhere acting up.... A trip to Tom van der Hoff has to be planned soon! Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at birch.net Wed Feb 17 16:25:46 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:25:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon service questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I do not follow the procedure. It contains errors! Errors are an unfortunate reality in Japanese service manuals. Fred, you are a man of few words! Once you are confident that the head alignment and the azimuth detect circuit are correctly set, pointer position is quite useful, however when one alignment is off, the pointer will behave in a non-symmetric fashion, so pay attention to that pointer! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon service questions Willy, thanks for this! I also have found the Nak calibration procedure to be "cumbersome". Hell, the word "scary" might be a better word. I'll save this post in my Dragon manual. best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Willy Hermann wrote: I does make sense if you understand what the NAAC circuit is trying to do. I find the Nak calibration procedure very cumbersome and use my own method which ends up being more accurate. I remove CN-5 and perform all mechanical adjustments - guide height, play and record head stroke, zenith, height and azimuth - as I would on any other deck. For play head azimuth you have to split the difference between forward and reverse - it you do it mechanically first you'll get an idea of how different the play head azimuth will be when the NAAC circuit takes over. I then reconnect CN-5 and adjust the azimuth references VR823, VR824 for pointer center on the azimuth block. With the azimuth reference tape I adjust VR701, VR702 so that the pointer is about the same distance from the center point. If you have adjusted the mechanical alignment properly with CN-5 unplugged, VR822 should be adjusted for pointer center with a 5kHz tone rec/play. Your problem with VR722 is likely due to a meter without sufficient bandwidth. Once playback level is properly adjusted, set VR721 for 0dB and VR722 for -20dB at the output when monitoring the respective signals. Then adjust VR702, VR802, VR703 and VR803 for the proper meter level on the deck. Any comments on that procedure from Tom, John, Kannan? Do you guys follow the Nak procedure to the letter? Willy On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:37 PM, wrote: Here's one for Tom, Willy, John, or Kannan. In the Dragon SM calibration table, (step remark G) where you feed in the 5kHz and adjust VR822, as found, that voltage starts at about 11VDC and works its way down to close to 0. On 3 different Dragons, that has been the case. I have found 822 near midpoint and have to adjust 822 almost full CCW to get close to 0 within the first 10 seconds. Does this make sense? And in Step 2 Remark 5, where you adjust VR722 to get 35mV at TP101/201, for the 15kHz test tone, the most I get is 23mV. Is this normal? Suggestions? Thanks. 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URL: From hitech at birch.net Wed Feb 17 16:25:44 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:25:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fred, A few years ago a bunch of us worked with Fred of Marrs Communications to find perfect nakamichi belts. Fred was able to source identical belts, and testing against NOS belts proved their performance. We, too learned that thin cross sections were the #1 predictor of performance. Excessive belt tension causes dual capstan deck to spill tape and loose proper back tension. My advice is to forward the Teac belt dimensions of the belts that do work well to fred at marrscommunications.com. BTW, the Dragon utilizes an electronic back tension system, not a mechanical one. The technical explaination is missing from the manuals as is the adjustment procedure. It works by dropping bits from the servo countdown scalar to cause the supply side to run slower than the take up. When the deck reverses, the bit dropping also reverses. I find it interesting to note that the two directions do not have identical settings! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:43 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? It is more complicated with Nakamichi designs, Ram -- agreed. The more that belts come into play, the more that the factors I explained before affect the capstan differential. Right now, there's a difficulty servicing dual-capstan products other than Nakamichi -- especially Teac -- because original belts are simply not available. On their reel-to-reels, for example, Teac along with Pioneer use a single belt for both capstans. They both will both sell you a belt that is approximately correct. If you order that same belt over a six-month period, you will get different belts. Some of them will work "okay." Some will fail to generate the angular velocity differential between supply and takeup capstans. The ones that fail will produce the proverbial "loose loop of tape" between the capstans. As you might guess, this variance in belt specs can be highly frustrating. As stated before, the key factor is that the flat belt needs to be thin. eBay is replete with flat belts that are the correct circumference, but insufficiently thin. I am forever shopping around for belts that have the correct mass/elasticity characteristics. When two belts are used -- a main capstan belt and a secondary "follower" belt for the supply flywheel/capstan -- the stretch/relax elasticity factor less determines the differential. Similarly, when direct-drive motor and a "slave" belt for the supply capstan are used. The very next Dragon that hits my bench . . . I am going to get out the vernier calipers and measure the exact diameters of flywheels and capstans. I'll post the results. * * * * * This is off the subject slightly . . . but take almost any cassette deck, and replace the belt(s) with .020" flat belts, and measure the wow-and-flutter. Then install .023" belts with the same circumference and measure w&f. Then take .025 belts and do the same. The w&f is highly sensitive to belt thinkness (and corresponding elasticity and mass). Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:14 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: Fred, I always believed and have observed that the diameters of the take up and supply capstans are always different in dual capstan Naks, and therefore, their angular velocities and thats what created accurate tension between the two capstans and not the belt to maintain the tape/head contact. The Dragon is living proof of this and its beltless. Reagrds, Ram --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 9:03 PM Jayson, On TDK tapes (well, a great many of them) -- if you insert a pen such as a BIC or similar in the little sprocket on the takeup side and give the tape a spin, just like the takeup reel will do -- you will find that the TDK tape is slightly harder to turn than other brands. If you play with the supply reel, you will find that this "friction" is also present on the supply side as well. This is because TDK uses an advanced reel design, where the permanent "lubrication papers" grip the tape a little tighter than some other brands of cassette tape. The result of this is that both takeup and feed are rendered more stable. This slightly improves the wow-and-flutter figure, and it also assures a more consistent tape-to-tape-head tension. This has nothing to do with the pressure pads inside the cassette. I first noticed this attribute of TDK tapes back in the 1970's. * * * * * The problem with pressure pads is complex. First, all pressure pads become contaminated over time, and this contamination is not put there with "strict quality control." Second, pressure pads are mounted on little leaf springs, which get misaligned and lose tension over time. Third, pressure pads often fall off, due to crappy glue. Most cassette decks require them because the back-tension systems are so primitive (or not there at all!) * * * * * The problem with tape-to-tape-head contact pressure (and stability of pressure) in dual-capstan systems is an interesting one. For it to work properly, the supply-side capstan needs to rotate the tiniest bit more slowly than the tapeup-side capstan. In both direct-drive and DC-motor drive systems, this imposes severe demands on the belt that drives the supply-side flywheel/capstan. Sony put out a service note about 1973 discussing this point on their TC-160/165/et al series of dual-capstan decks. Sony indicated that elastic characteristics of the belt caused the belt to stretch and relax as it moved onto and off of each flywheel, and if you worked out the mechanical engineering equations, this was what created the differential between supply-side and capstan-side angular velocities. For this reason, Sony said that the proverbial problem of a "loop of tape pulling away from the head" caused by loss of capstan-angular-velocity differential could only be cured by replacing the belt. My experience with both cassette and reel-to-reel designs has confirmed Sony's observations many hundreds of times. Sadly, for a replacement belt to generate this angular-velocity differential, it needs to have the correct elasticity; and for this to occur, it needs to be thin (.020"). Thicker, heavier belts do not have the correct elasticity. And, not only does the additional mass frequently turn the cassette transport into a spring-and-mass oscillator, the reduction in elasticity corrupts the stretch-and-relax phenomenon and correspondingly corrupts the angular-velocity differential. * * * * * Hope this explanation clarifies my points. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:36 AM, jayson levitz wrote: Hi Fred. I have a question for you. By the back tension system in TDK cassettes, are you referring to the pressure pad? If you are, I thought all cassettes use a pressure pad to hold the tape against the heads. Dual capstan Naks do not use this pressure pad. Instead, they use a pressure pad lifter to remove it completely because they found that use of the pressure pad caused audible noise called scrape flutter. Their dual capstan mechanism provides the precise tape tension needed for high quality audio. I believe that no other cassette deck manufacturer used a pressure pad lifter. Jayson ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:22:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? I have used TDK SA formulations SA, SA-X, etc., for more than thirty years, and have found their performance to be stable and reliable. I do think the earlier ones that used the little screws to hold the clamshells together were made to stricter mechanical tolerences. I've always preferred the SA to the Maxell UDXLII, but when you go from cassette to reel-to-reel, I stand by Maxell UD 35-90. I still keep a supply of TDK SA in my store to sell to my cassette-deck-fanatic customers. One feature that has remained constant over the years with TDK SA is the back-tension system built into the cassettes themselves. Yes, the additional friction will frustrate decks that have poor FF and REW mechanics, but playback is rendered more stable, and that's what really counts. Fred On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: I had two Maxell MX-S tapes and that was enough to convince me never to use them again. I only used TDK or Nakamichi tapes after that. The MX-S sounded fine, but, each tape has 3-4 drop outs and they were brand new sealed tapes. These drops out bugged the crap out of me and finally I stopped the tape and took a look and there were big flakes of iron mashed into the tape. I put it under a magnifying glass and scraped at the chucks with an xacto knife. These chucks were over half the width of the tape and hard as a rock! I never saw anything like it again. Maybe because I never used Maxell again. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenny K To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 8:57:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? My experience is that I'd never touch another MX-S. I recorded about 150 tapes tapes( 90% were type 2 chromes) in the 80's and 90's. Of those I have 8 MX-S tapes and not one of them sounds any good today. The high freq's drift in and out. But mostly out. They sound just awful. ALL of my normal chrome and better chromes ie. XLII-S, SA-X etc still sound to my aging ears as good as they days I recorded them. The MX-S may sound superb when you record on them but they don't have nearly the longevity of the chromes in my experience anyways. Anyone else experience this ? perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: Like any of the big names, it depends on the year, but I've never met an MX-S I didn't like. The "Man in Chair" ones are the least desirable, the earlier the better. Sony XR, the same, earlier the better. XR is the European version of SR. While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal tape. If you haven't been to vintagecassettes.com yet, you should take a look. Pics and years, explanations. 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URL: From hitech at birch.net Wed Feb 17 16:25:49 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:25:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk]Rowland Coherence repair In-Reply-To: <603220.45948.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jayson, I think it is caps. The gain cells use DC control voltages, and the caps are in the circuit that generate the DC. They are plain old electrolytics (which is why they fail). We replace all of them with high reliability caps. the rest of the parts are high end. I think these caps were chosen because they were physically small...and modern caps fit easily since they are smaller than 15 years ago. PM me after 3 and I will have a repair price for you. You could ship the preamp only for repair (we won't need the heavy battery box). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jayson levitz Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... Tom and Dean (sounds like a rock group from the 60s!!!): My Coherence pre-amp makes a low buzzing sound, and this increases in volume greatly when I toggle the the phase switch on and off (and I have no idea what this phase switch does). Also, the mute switch mutes the pre-amp even when off. I have to toggle it on and off numerous times to get audio, so I do not even use the mute at all now. Some time back I did call Jeff Rowland Design Group and told them of my problem. They said it sounds like the capacitors have to be replaced (the dreaded orange cap disease?). I was trying to avoid sending it to them, since Soundsmith is only about an hour's drive from my home. But on second thought, maybe Rowland is the better choice since they probably have original parts and can totally overhaul it like Jeff at ESL did to my CR7. I also still have the wooden crate it came in, and I also have the wooden crate the Model 5 came in. You do not see audio equipment shipped this way any more. Jayson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: "dbauer45 at comcast.net" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 10:21:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... Jayson, Or you can go directly to the Rowland Design Group for service. http://www.jeffrowland.com/Service.htm My Coherence just got back from service about a month ago and it is as good as new. I was told by the staff that Jeff did the repair himself. It did take about 6 months to get it back, so if you do decide to return it, you might ask about turnaround time. Oh, and it was sent both ways by ground (UPS if I recall). I had the original boxes, wooden crates really, and packing materials to keep it safe in transport. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom brucker" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:26:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... What is the problem with your Coherence? We just repaired one with one channel intermittently at maximum volume. Our own Willy is a Krell servicer BTW. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jayson levitz Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:31 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... Hi Ray. I have a question for you, which is off-topic. I have a 21 year old Jeff Rowland Coherence One, Series II pre-amp that needs to be worked on. Soundsmith is one of a few places that are supposed to be "experts" in working on Jeff Rowland equipment. My question - what is wrong with Soundsmith? Do you have experience with them? Thanks. Jayson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rayr0683 at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 8:00:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] RAM and EE Tapes.... Hello RAM, Im a Reel to Reel fanatic, I have a house full of decks, some are older, with Tubes and speakers built in, those are more for collecting. I also have my 4 that are my Pride and Joy. ALthjough having 4 is a bit ridiculous....honestly. I have a Mint fully gone over to better than Spec. AKAI GX-747 DBX Black, a TEAC X2000R-Black....these both have EE switches. I also have 2 Tandbergs, a Tandberg TD20A, and also a Tandberg TD20A-SE....these were totally rebuilt by a Tandberg Expert in NYC, according to Jeff Galin, of ESL, he told me this guy, his name is Nick (Tandberg)...is the best Tandberg Tech he has known, which I also felt myself, by the work he did, all new heads, etc..very affordable too. And he is not Soundsmith. Thank You for your answers, I live in New Jersey myself, its funny you got your new AKAI GX-747 DBX here in New Jersey. Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Wed Feb 17 17:13:48 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:13:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The FF and RW can be caused by a stretched capstan belt or hardened reel table tires. The most critical part is the play idler clutch. If it is the original white nylon type the bearing wear will cause flutter. The replacement is metal bodied. Most of the 600 racks are filled with an entire stereo (System One) and go for about $1000 tops. The rack by itself ??? Of the System One components the 620 amp has the highest value, followed by the 610 mixer/preamp. 600 decks usually auction for less than $90. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck I have a chance to buy a 600, a 600 II cassette deck, and a 600 series rack. Play, REW, and FF are not working on the 600's. Can someone please let me know what the non-working 600 decks and the 600 series rack is going for on Ebay (U.S. dollars). Please respond ASAP as I'm strongly considering buying. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Wed Feb 17 20:42:57 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:42:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BIAS TUNE knob In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jerry, Your ears do not deceive you! The bias control only changes the sound during the recording process. Variable bias is a compromise to adapt the deck to different tape brands. It is most useful for EX type 1 tapes. You mke a recording, and then compare in playback to the source. If the recording sounds bright, turn the bias knob clockwise 30 degrees and make another recording. Dull? Turn the knob counterclockwise. You can also test by recording FM interstation hiss, but keep dolby off and keep record levels at about -20dB. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:50 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BIAS TUNE knob How do I correctly use this feature on my Nak RX-303? I don't seem to be able to discern a difference by ear, even though I am using excellent cans( ATH- AD2000), and a decent ,though not dedicated headphone preamp (DBX CX3MkII). Is it Okay to twist this knob while the cassette is playing? Right now I have the Knob at 12 0'clock. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Feb 17 21:54:43 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:54:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 continued In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Fred, Well I turned it on again after 24hrs and it does play again for about 30 seconds and then slows down and stops and doesn't start again. Tape travel is also not good... Wouter > A simple troubleshooter's question . . . before you replaced the belts, > even > though it may not have run "up to spec," did it in fact run tape? > > If so, then I suspect you made a technical error in installing the belts. > (Don't feel bad. I've been repairing audio gear for nearly 40 years, and > have made more technical errors in that time than I can count!) > > If the machine had serious problems with running tape prior to your > replacing the belt kit, then you are certainly no worse off than before, > and > -- with the new belt kit installed -- actually better off. > > ********** > > If this were on my bench, I would check the power supply, including all > regulated voltages to make sure they're there. I would check the wiring in > the area where I was working to replace the belts, just to make sure that > no > wire(s) came loose. I would check any detect switches that need to be > depressed when the tape is seated in the cassette compartment. I would > turn > the capstans with my hand to make sure they are not binding. Check for > something rubbing against the capstan rims, and check the thrust bearing > on > the capstans. > > I do not think that the 400 Hz test tone generator problem and the > "doesn't > run tape problem" are related, except for the coincidence that they are on > the same machine. > > Best, > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > >> >> >> But... Played a tape for about 10 seconds and heard it play not so good. >> Switched off the deck, inspected the belt (no problems here) and turned >> the deck on again... now tape does not play! >> So now it suffers from the same problem as my other zx-9, no rotating >> capstans, I suppose orange cap(s) on the DD board? I checked the >> capstans >> were turning after replacing the belt and turning on the deck for the >> first time! >> >> I also noticed problems in source with the 400hz tone, so also orange >> caps >> there somewhere acting up.... A trip to Tom van der Hoff has to be >> planned >> soon! >> >> Wouter >> From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Feb 17 22:35:39 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:35:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Set up gauges In-Reply-To: <4B7B47D3.2000704@physics.rutgers.edu> References: <4B7B47D3.2000704@physics.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <4b6f92901002171335k63a53b18qeae23ec5fbcd5c39@mail.gmail.com> I'm on the one yard line - still. I'm in full begging mode with the machinist. Should be very soon. Willy On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Terry Matilsky < matilsky at physics.rutgers.edu> wrote: > What is the status of the set up gauges that Willy was talking about. The > last reference I see is from October. > Cheers, > Terry > > -- > -- > > NEW BANNER: "In a dark time, the eye begins to see." > Theodore Roethke > > --- > All truth passes through three stages: > First, it is ridiculed. > Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as self-evident. > Arthur Schopenhauer > > ======= > Professor Terry Matilsky Rutgers University > matilsky at physics.rutgers.edu Department of Physics > Phone: 732 445 3876 136 Frelinghuysen Road > Fax: 732 445 4343 Piscataway, N. J. 08854-8019 > http://xray.rutgers.edu/~matilsky > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Feb 17 23:19:34 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:19:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help...? In-Reply-To: <8dddacb41002170130o3562bbbcoe52bda248a89740e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8dddacb41002170130o3562bbbcoe52bda248a89740e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks like a bad dc supply. Check fuses. Enviado desde mi iPhone El 17/02/2010, a las 10:30, Lawrence Harvey escribió: > My Nak CR-7A is in "like-new" condition. I haven't used it in 6 > years and just connected it and everything turned on at first, then > some of the lights went out and now none of the control buttons will > operate!? Is this going to be very expensive? > > -- > Larry Harvey > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From overkillaudioinc at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 16:14:52 2010 From: overkillaudioinc at gmail.com (Dave Meyers) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:14:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 In-Reply-To: <882259.79788.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Those old Hitachi parts are hard to source. I bet that place comes back with an expensive quote....you might...have to do some research but I think old ADS plate amps used those IC's as well. they seem to still be quite in demand but you might find a cheap or non working one you could rob of the IC....just an idea. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of KEVIN ROGERS Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:43 PM To: Vladimir Stankov; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 Thanks Vladimir. I emailed them for a quote. Kevin --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Vladimir Stankov wrote: From: Vladimir Stankov Subject: Re: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 11:18 AM Hi Kevin, Check this out : http://www.iclocator.com/HA12020_inventory.html ----- Original Message ----- From: KEVIN ROGERS To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 I have run into a problem in the restoration of my Alpine AL-90. I need to replace an IC - HA12020, which I have been unable to source. Anybody know where I can find one or a substitute? 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 17 17:13:05 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:13:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 600 II Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I received my first 600 II. Upon purchase, play, rewind, and fast forward was not working. I got the deck up to snuff working and sounding good. One last problem - rewind still not working! Any suggestions would be appreciated. From: mark8559 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:05:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck I have a chance to buy a 600, a 600 II cassette deck, and a 600 series rack. Play, REW, and FF are not working on the 600's. Can someone please let me know what the non-working 600 decks and the 600 series rack is going for on Ebay (U.S. dollars). Please respond ASAP as I'm strongly considering buying. Thank you. Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. 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Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:06 PM, wrote: > My LX-5 headphone jack stopped working I can't monitor a recording or > listen during playback. Any ideas? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 18:45:11 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:45:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 In-Reply-To: <460208.88030.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <833013.86044.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <460208.88030.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Those locator services are not effective. They are generally interested in locating and selling large quantities of devices. When they find you want only one or two, they lose interest. According to Google, this parts distributor has the device you're looking for -- http://www.encompassparts.com/products/?HITHA12020 Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:32 PM, KEVIN ROGERS wrote: > I have run into a problem in the restoration of my Alpine AL-90. I need to > replace an IC - HA12020, which I have been unable to source. Anybody know > where I can find one or a substitute? > > Kevin Rogers > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 18:50:22 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:50:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why don't you just go to eBay and look it up yourself? That's really easy to do. Make sure you check the completed listings as well as the items currently up for auction. https://signin.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?SignIn Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > I have a chance to buy a 600, a 600 II cassette deck, and a 600 series > rack. > Play, REW, and FF are not working on the 600's. > Can someone please let me know what the non-working 600 decks and the 600 > series rack is going for on Ebay (U.S. dollars). > Please respond ASAP as I'm strongly considering buying. > Thank you. > > ------------------------------ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > now. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 18:53:14 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:53:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680 not recording In-Reply-To: <20100216200153.YTVOE.717279.imail@eastrmwml30> References: <20100216200153.YTVOE.717279.imail@eastrmwml30> Message-ID: Is there any deflection on the panel meters when recording? If there is, but it is not recording, check the infamous orange film capacitors in the output section of the recording amplifiers. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM, wrote: > Guys, I have a 680 Nak that will not record the 400 test tone nor any audio > input. It will play back any tape I choose just no signal from this deck. > The ram light is out and also the speed selector light ,any possible > connection there? I also noticed that when I tried to calibrate for > recording the test signal did not indicate "0". When I flipped the switch to > tape the test tone dropped off. Any ideas? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 20:39:50 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:39:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BIAS TUNE knob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is to be used during recording. Traditionally what a technician will do is record a series of tones at -10dB, for example, 100 Hz, 700 Hz, 2.5kHz, 5.0 kHz, 7.5kHz, 12.5 kHz, etc. -- and then adjust the bias knob for the flattest response when played back. A sweep-frequency generator is also often used. If the bias is too low, there will be excessive high-frequency response, and, though you may not experience it, reduced headroom. If the bias is too high, there will be a loss of high-frequency response, but there will be plenty of headroom. Do not run this test at 0 dB. Always -10dB. If you don't have a signal generator to run this test, you can download a signal generator problem online, and use your laptop's headphone jack as your signal source. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:50 PM, jerry wrote: > How do I correctly use this feature on my Nak RX-303? > I don't seem to be able to discern a difference by ear, even though I am > using excellent cans( ATH- AD2000), and a decent ,though not dedicated > headphone preamp (DBX CX3MkII). > Is it Okay to twist this knob while the cassette is playing? > Right now I have the Knob at 12 0'clock. > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 17 23:51:28 2010 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:51:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BIAS TUNE knob In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <612927.30576.qm@web180004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The purpose of this control is to adjust the bias signal being recorded onto the tape, for best high frequency response. You have to have the deck in record, and switch the tape monitor from source to tape, and adjust the control so both sound the same. It is easiest to do with FM interstation noise. Warren --- On Tue, 2/16/10, jerry wrote: From: jerry Subject: [naktalk] BIAS TUNE knob To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 11:50 PM How do I correctly use this feature on my Nak RX-303? I don't seem to be able to discern a difference by ear, even though I am using excellent cans( ATH- AD2000), and a decent ,though not dedicated headphone preamp (DBX CX3MkII). Is it Okay to twist this knob while the cassette is playing? Right now I have the Knob at 12 0'clock. --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 01:14:59 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:14:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *T**hanks for this, Tom. I've tried Mars in the past. Maybe I should look into him more.* One problem with heavier and thicker belts has to do with the fact that a belt on a pair (or more) of pulleys is by definition a *spring-and-mass oscillator*. A thin belt has greater elasticity and less mass -- and because these constants are different, will usually NOT set up an oscillation. I could say this is because *the dissipatory losses exceed the energy stored in the oscillation.* But my lips are sealed. I will not mention these things. What I will say is that the thicker less-stretchy belts tend to set up an oscillatory "crawl" on the pulleys that is visible to the naked eye and easily confirmed on the w&f meter. This phenomenon is true of all belt-drive systems, not just cassette decks. But you already know all this. One thing is certain. 2,388,421,709 people on Audio Karma do NOT know this, and think that big, thick, fat belts are made in Heaven, and that I, in advising against them, am an agent of Satan. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:25 AM, tom brucker wrote: > Fred, > A few years ago a bunch of us worked with Fred of Marrs Communications > to find perfect nakamichi belts. Fred was able to source identical belts, > and testing against NOS belts proved their performance. We, too learned that > thin cross sections were the #1 predictor of performance. Excessive belt > tension causes dual capstan deck to spill tape and loose proper back > tension. > My advice is to forward the Teac belt dimensions of the belts that do > work well to fred at marrscommunications.com. > > BTW, the Dragon utilizes an electronic back tension system, not a > mechanical one. The technical explaination is missing from the manuals as is > the adjustment procedure. It works by dropping bits from the servo countdown > scalar to cause the supply side to run slower than the take up. When the > deck reverses, the bit dropping also reverses. I find it interesting to note > that the two directions do not have identical settings! > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:43 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? > > It is more complicated with Nakamichi designs, Ram -- agreed. The more that > belts come into play, the more that the factors I explained before affect > the capstan differential. > > Right now, there's a difficulty servicing dual-capstan products other than > Nakamichi -- especially Teac -- because original belts are simply not > available. On their reel-to-reels, for example, Teac along with Pioneer use > a single belt for both capstans. They both will both sell you a belt that is > approximately correct. If you order that same belt over a six-month period, > you will get *different belts*. Some of them will work "okay." Some will > fail to generate the angular velocity differential between supply and takeup > capstans. The ones that fail will produce the proverbial "loose loop of > tape" between the capstans. As you might guess, this variance in belt specs > can be highly frustrating. > > As stated before, the key factor is that the flat belt needs to be thin. > eBay is replete with flat belts that are the correct circumference, but > insufficiently thin. I am forever shopping around for belts that have the > correct mass/elasticity characteristics. > > When two belts are used -- a main capstan belt and a secondary "follower" > belt for the supply flywheel/capstan -- the stretch/relax elasticity factor > less determines the differential. Similarly, when direct-drive motor and a > "slave" belt for the supply capstan are used. > > The very next Dragon that hits my bench . . . I am going to get out the > vernier calipers and measure the *exact* diameters of flywheels and > capstans. I'll post the results. > > * * * * * > > This is off the subject slightly . . . but take almost any cassette deck, > and replace the belt(s) with .020" flat belts, and measure the > wow-and-flutter. Then install .023" belts with the same circumference and > measure w&f. Then take .025 belts and do the same. The w&f is *highly*sensitive to belt thinkness (and corresponding elasticity and mass). > > Best, > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:14 AM, shanti ramachandran < > shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Fred, >> >> I always believed and have observed that the diameters of the take up and >> supply capstans are always different in dual capstan Naks, and therefore, >> their angular velocities and thats what created accurate tension between the >> two capstans and not the belt to maintain the tape/head contact. >> >> The Dragon is living proof of this and its beltless. >> >> Reagrds, >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> --- On *Mon, 2/15/10, Fred Longworth *wrote: >> >> >> From: Fred Longworth >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 9:03 PM >> >> >> Jayson, >> >> On TDK tapes (well, a great many of them) -- if you insert a pen such as a >> BIC or similar in the little sprocket on the takeup side and give the tape a >> spin, just like the takeup reel will do -- you will find that the TDK tape >> *is slightly harder to turn than other brands. *If you play with the >> supply reel, you will find that this "friction" is also present on the >> supply side as well. >> * >> *This is because TDK uses an advanced reel design, where the permanent >> "lubrication papers" grip the tape a little tighter than some other brands >> of cassette tape. >> >> The result of this is that both takeup and feed are rendered more stable. >> This slightly improves the wow-and-flutter figure, and it also assures a >> more consistent tape-to-tape-head tension. >> >> This has nothing to do with the pressure pads inside the cassette. >> >> I first noticed this attribute of TDK tapes back in the 1970's. >> >> * * * * * >> >> The problem with pressure pads is complex. First, all pressure pads become >> contaminated over time, and this contamination is not put there with "strict >> quality control." Second, pressure pads are mounted on little leaf springs, >> which get misaligned and lose tension over time. Third, pressure pads often >> fall off, due to crappy glue. >> >> Most cassette decks require them because the back-tension systems are so >> primitive (or not there at all!) >> >> * * * * * >> >> The problem with tape-to-tape-head contact pressure (and stability of >> pressure) in dual-capstan systems is an interesting one. For it to work >> properly, the supply-side capstan needs to rotate the tiniest bit more >> slowly than the tapeup-side capstan. >> >> In both direct-drive and DC-motor drive systems, this imposes severe >> demands on the belt that drives the supply-side flywheel/capstan. Sony put >> out a service note about 1973 discussing this point on their TC-160/165/et >> al series of dual-capstan decks. >> >> Sony indicated that elastic characteristics of the belt caused the belt to >> stretch and relax as it moved onto and off of each flywheel, and if you >> worked out the mechanical engineering equations, this was what created the >> differential between supply-side and capstan-side angular velocities. For >> this reason, Sony said that the proverbial problem of a "loop of tape >> pulling away from the head" caused by loss of capstan-angular-velocity >> differential could only be cured by replacing the belt. >> >> My experience with both cassette and reel-to-reel designs has confirmed >> Sony's observations many hundreds of times. >> >> Sadly, for a replacement belt to generate this angular-velocity >> differential, it needs to have the correct elasticity; and for this to >> occur, it needs to be thin (.020"). Thicker, heavier belts do not have the >> correct elasticity. And, not only does the additional mass frequently turn >> the cassette transport into a spring-and-mass oscillator, the reduction in >> elasticity corrupts the stretch-and-relax phenomenon and correspondingly >> corrupts the angular-velocity differential. >> >> * * * * * >> >> Hope this explanation clarifies my points. >> >> Fred >> Classic Audio Repair >> www.repairaudio.com >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:36 AM, jayson levitz >> > wrote: >> >>> Hi Fred. >>> >>> I have a question for you. By the back tension system in TDK cassettes, >>> are you referring to the pressure pad? If you are, I thought all cassettes >>> use a pressure pad to hold the tape against the heads. >>> >>> Dual capstan Naks do not use this pressure pad. Instead, they use a >>> pressure pad lifter to remove it completely because they found that use of >>> the pressure pad caused audible noise called scrape flutter. Their dual >>> capstan mechanism provides the precise tape tension needed for high quality >>> audio. I believe that no other cassette deck manufacturer used a pressure >>> pad lifter. >>> >>> Jayson >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Fred Longworth > >>> >>> >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > >>> *Sent:* Sun, February 14, 2010 7:22:14 PM >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? >>> >>> I have used TDK SA formulations SA, SA-X, etc., for more than thirty >>> years, and have found their performance to be stable and reliable. I do >>> think the earlier ones that used the little screws to hold the clamshells >>> together were made to stricter mechanical tolerences. >>> >>> I've always preferred the SA to the Maxell UDXLII, but when you go from >>> cassette to reel-to-reel, I stand by Maxell UD 35-90. >>> >>> I still keep a supply of TDK SA in my store to sell to my >>> cassette-deck-fanatic customers. >>> >>> One feature that has remained constant over the years with TDK SA is the >>> back-tension system built into the cassettes themselves. Yes, the additional >>> friction will frustrate decks that have poor FF and REW mechanics, but >>> playback is rendered more stable, and that's what really counts. >>> >>> Fred >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Johnson >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I had two Maxell MX-S tapes and that was enough to convince me never >>>> to use them again. I only used TDK or Nakamichi tapes after that. The MX-S >>>> sounded fine, but, each tape has 3-4 drop outs and they were brand new >>>> sealed tapes. These drops out bugged the crap out of me and finally I >>>> stopped the tape and took a look and there were big flakes of iron mashed >>>> into the tape. I put it under a magnifying glass and scraped at the chucks >>>> with an xacto knife. These chucks were over half the width of the tape and >>>> hard as a rock! I never saw anything like it again. Maybe because I never >>>> used Maxell again. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Kenny K >>>> > >>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> > >>>> *Sent:* Sun, February 14, 2010 8:57:33 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? >>>> >>>> My experience is that I'd never touch another MX-S. I recorded about 150 >>>> tapes tapes( 90% were type 2 chromes) in the 80's and 90's. Of those I have >>>> 8 MX-S tapes and not one of them sounds any good today. The high freq's >>>> drift in and out. But mostly out. They sound just awful. ALL of my normal >>>> chrome and better chromes ie. XLII-S, SA-X etc still sound to my aging ears >>>> as good as they days I recorded them. >>>> >>>> The MX-S may sound superb when you record on them but they don't have >>>> nearly the longevity of the chromes in my experience anyways. >>>> >>>> Anyone else experience this ? >>>> >>>> perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: >>>> >>>> Like any of the big names, it depends on the year, but I've never met an >>>> MX-S I didn't like. The "Man in Chair" ones are the least desirable, the >>>> earlier the better. Sony XR, the same, earlier the better. XR is the >>>> European version of SR. While I prefer Maxell, still a fine metal tape. If >>>> you haven't been to vintagecassettes.com yet, you should take a look. >>>> Pics and years, explanations. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 03:04:04 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:04:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 continued In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <332082.86952.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter and Fred, The deck slowing down sure sounds like a capstan belt issue to me. Do you have to stretch the belt very hard in order to fit it? A tight belt is likely to give this problem - and could cause the DD motor to overheat. Cheers Bala --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Wouter Heijke wrote: From: Wouter Heijke Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:54 AM Thanks Fred, Well I turned it on again after 24hrs and it does play again for about 30 seconds and then slows down and stops and doesn't start again. Tape travel is also not good... Wouter > A simple troubleshooter's question . . . before you replaced the belts, > even > though it may not have run "up to spec," did it in fact run tape? > > If so, then I suspect you made a technical error in installing the belts. > (Don't feel bad. I've been repairing audio gear for nearly 40 years, and > have made more technical errors in that time than I can count!) > > If the machine had serious problems with running tape prior to your > replacing the belt kit, then you are certainly no worse off than before, > and > -- with the new belt kit installed -- actually better off. > > ********** > > If this were on my bench, I would check the power supply, including all > regulated voltages to make sure they're there. I would check the wiring in > the area where I was working to replace the belts, just to make sure that > no > wire(s) came loose. I would check any detect switches that need to be > depressed when the tape is seated in the cassette compartment. I would > turn > the capstans with my hand to make sure they are not binding. Check for > something rubbing against the capstan rims, and check the thrust bearing > on > the capstans. > > I do not think that the 400 Hz test tone generator problem and the > "doesn't > run tape problem" are related, except for the coincidence that they are on > the same machine. > > Best, > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > >> >> >> But... Played a tape for about 10 seconds and heard it play not so good. >> Switched off the deck, inspected the belt (no problems here) and turned >> the deck on again... now tape does not play! >> So now it suffers from the same problem as my other zx-9, no rotating >> capstans, I suppose orange cap(s) on the DD board? I checked the >> capstans >> were turning after replacing the belt and turning on the deck for the >> first time! >> >> I also noticed problems in source with the 400hz tone, so also orange >> caps >> there somewhere acting up.... A trip to Tom van der Hoff has to be >> planned >> soon! >> >> Wouter >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 03:40:37 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:40:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Soundsmith-Jayson Message-ID: <63660.76625.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Ram, You need to be worried. I talked with Soundsmith about restoring my first Tandberg R2R. Not only were they indifferent with regard to the business, they informed me that if anyone had ever worked on my Tandberg before, they would reject it for a restoration. Hmmmm.....how many 30+yr old decks out there that have never been touched internally?? Furthermore, I found out from the aforementioned tech that Soundsmiths' idea of a total restoration is actually just a cursory service, while trying to sell you some of their home brew 'improvement parts'. For the money they were talking about and their general lack of interest, I went elsewhere. Even if I took into account that perhaps they had bad phone etiquette, I didn't like what I heard. By comparison, even though Jeff G. at ESL is expensive, at least you know you're getting a superb restoration. I've never heard anybody complain about ESL's work. I can't make that same statement about Soundsmith. As far as pinch rollers, Terry Witt is da man! I found some supposedly NOS Tandberg rollers from Italy on ebay and they were good quality as well. As much as a good deck restoration costs these days, I think it prudent to do the research first on a a particualar company/tech. Check out all the forums; try to seperate the habitual, whining complainers from actual bad work done and warranty policies etc. Kevin Message: 24 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:23:31 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Soundsmith-Jayson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <381217.94004.qm at web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" HI Ray, Now you scare me. My 3014A( almost new physical condition) is there for an overhaul since November. I shall post when received back. Meeting Peter was a very nice experience though in his studio. Lets see. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 04:04:45 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:04:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <60358.81159.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tom, The Dragon reverses take up and supply capstans and perhaps that is why the settings are different for both sides?? because the tension has to created between different vectors as the sides change! Makes sense in not having identical settings as role reversals take place on changing sides. Ram --- On Wed, 2/17/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony or Maxell? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:25 AM Fred,     A few years ago a bunch of us worked with Fred of Marrs Communications to find perfect nakamichi belts. Fred was able to source identical belts, and testing against NOS belts proved their performance. We, too learned that thin cross sections were the #1 predictor of performance. Excessive belt tension causes . I find it interesting to note that the two directions do not have identical settings!   tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Thu Feb 18 05:47:46 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 04:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] TANDBERG...Kevin Rodgers Message-ID: <1258626873.5511451266468466174.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello Kevin.....I can wholeheartidly recommend Nick to you, for all your Tandberg Gear, and other Gear as well. But Tandberg he knows like th back of his hand. He makes any necessary modifications, has NOS Parts on hand, such as Heads, etc....and his turnaround time is excellent. You also get a full 1 year warranty on the entire unit. Jeff Galin heavily recommends Nick as the Best Tandberg Tech out there as well. I spoke to Jeff, just to see if Jeff would work on Tandberg Gear, and he shot me back Nick's name instantly as Tandberg Expert. Nick's Email Address is HTEL56 at YAHOO.COM   and his phone numbers are (646)479-7749 and (718)418-7673....I reach Nick easiest at the (646)479-7749 number. He is in NYC. Nick has done all my Tandberg Gear, and now lots of friends gear as well, all extremely happy with his work. You could even tell him that Ray from New Jersey recommended you.....he did home setup work for me as well, and rebuilt /upgraded my Alon Model IV Speakers, with parts along from Carl Machiotto owner of ALON/NOLA Speaker Systems.           As for Soundsmith, with my right to free speech, you are much better off with Nick, its not even close. Nick told me that when he started at this, he had a passion to be the very best at what he does, and he still has that passion today. Its not just another job, he likes to get the very best performance possible from each unit he works on. He also works on other brands as well. Just that he has found by listening, and Test equipment, that Tandberg seems to beat out all other Prosumer decks, including Revox. But especially over the Japanese decks.  I have owned just about the top model of every manufacturer over the years, and I find that Tandberg does have the Sonic performance over all the others. They just were not into all the bells and whistles of Japanese decks, they focused on Sonics, and performance. .Best Regards, and let me know how you make out, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Thu Feb 18 17:21:10 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:21:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 II Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark, Open the cassette holder. Put the deck in play. Do you see the silver pulley driving the take up reel? Now put the deck in FF and use your fingers to stall the reel. Memorize the torque (calibrate the fingers I like to say) Now try the same in rewind on the supply reel. You have to be fast because the auto stop activates (use your other hand to spin the TU reel. If the torque is low AND the silver pulley continues to turn, replace the reel table's rubber tire. If the pulley stalls, replace the capstan belt. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 600 II Cassette Deck I received my first 600 II. Upon purchase, play, rewind, and fast forward was not working. I got the deck up to snuff working and sounding good. One last problem - rewind still not working! 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Feb 18 17:45:39 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:45:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 problem In-Reply-To: <20100216200614.JBQ1I.717348.imail@eastrmwml30> References: <20100216200614.JBQ1I.717348.imail@eastrmwml30> Message-ID: <4b6f92901002180845y5d0e09dfo62bda9daab3141b9@mail.gmail.com> If you go through all of Fred's ideas and the headphone jack is still dead, the only difference between the RCA line outputs and the headphone jack is a small power amp made up of a dual op amp and four transistors. Since both channels are out, I would suspect the op amp - IC302. The only other possibility is that there is something wrong with the mute circuit - Q110, Q210. Life the emitter legs of those two transistors to check. Best of luck. Willy On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:06 PM, wrote: > My LX-5 headphone jack stopped working I can't monitor a recording or > listen during playback. 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URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Thu Feb 18 13:06:18 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] FRED- AKAI GX-747 TENSION BELTS Message-ID: <819846807.5538021266494778525.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello Fred,                     Thanks for making me aware of this belt kit on Ebay for the AKAI GX-747 Tension Arms.  I had been previously ready to order them, just to have on hand, in case of a problem ever happening. I figured better safe than sorry.  Now that you mention it, Wolfbob, and the other guys that did this job, repairing Tension Arms did order them, from either PRB/Russel Industries, or MCM Electronics, and they provided the proper belt sizes.                Since then, this guy from Italy, and Germany started selling Belt Kits, with as you say, Teflon, and Steel "O" Rings. And an installation paper sheet.  I never did order, but if they are too thick, and you have seeen them first hand, you are saving owners of these decks, alot of unnecessary work, because it is a timely job, if you've never done it, and to do it, only to find out the belts are wrong, would irritate the hell outta me.  Thanks, Fred.     Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Thu Feb 18 13:10:55 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Soundsmith-JAYSON Message-ID: <158459699.5538991266495055972.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello Jayson,                          According to Soundsmith, they know Tandberg so well, toot their own horns pretty well. I can only tell you my experience, and that of those that I know of that used them, for Tandberg, and other stuff they do.  I would agree with what Kevin Fetner says, to pay what your locked into, with Soundsmith, and not even know full details up front, till you get an estimate, and parts added on, etc....for that kind of money.....I got the Full Restoration, along with all new Heads, Tandberg Heads, NOS, and couldn't be happier.  Nick also does the full restoration, modifications, and bring these decks back to their original or better performance.   Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Thu Feb 18 13:28:09 2010 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (KEVIN ROGERS) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 04:28:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <257677.99978.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks Dave.   + --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Dave Meyers wrote: From: Dave Meyers Subject: RE: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:14 PM Those old Hitachi parts are hard to source. I bet that place comes back with an expensive quote....you might...have to do some research but I think old ADS plate amps used those IC's as well. they seem to still be quite in demand but you might find a cheap or non working one you could rob of the IC....just an idea.       -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of KEVIN ROGERS Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:43 PM To: Vladimir Stankov; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 Thanks Vladimir. I emailed them for a quote.   Kevin --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Vladimir Stankov wrote: From: Vladimir Stankov Subject: Re: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 11:18 AM Hi Kevin,   Check this out :   http://www.iclocator.com/HA12020_inventory.html ----- Original Message ----- From: KEVIN ROGERS To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] IC needed for Alpine AL-90 - HA12020 I have run into a problem in the restoration of my Alpine AL-90. I need to replace an IC - HA12020, which I have been unable to source. 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According to Google, this parts distributor has the device you're looking for -- http://www.encompassparts.com/products/?HITHA12020 Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:32 PM, KEVIN ROGERS wrote: I have run into a problem in the restoration of my Alpine AL-90. I need to replace an IC - HA12020, which I have been unable to source. 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 14:33:03 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:33:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 continued In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <358937.4824.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wouter this is DD Motor trouble - either motor Drive circuit needs attention or DD motor itself needs attention. Best bet is - send it to the Guy who can attend to DD mmotor. Once you install correct belt , the load on the DD motor is correct /more than the streched belt applies. I have seen this issue. In one case I could get the drive board repaired/ so I replaced the ZX 9 with Dragon Double DD motor and controller! kannan --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Wouter Heijke wrote: > From: Wouter Heijke > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:54 PM > Thanks Fred, > Well I turned it on again after 24hrs and it does play > again for about 30 > seconds and then slows down and stops and doesn't start > again. > Tape travel is also not good... > > Wouter > > > > A simple troubleshooter's question . . . before you > replaced the belts, > > even > > though it may not have run "up to spec," did it in > fact run tape? > > > > If so, then I suspect you made a technical error in > installing the belts. > > (Don't feel bad. I've been repairing audio gear for > nearly 40 years, and > > have made more technical errors in that time than I > can count!) > > > > If the machine had serious problems with running tape > prior to your > > replacing the belt kit, then you are certainly no > worse off than before, > > and > > -- with the new belt kit installed -- actually better > off. > > > > ********** > > > > If this were on my bench, I would check the power > supply, including all > > regulated voltages to make sure they're there. I would > check the wiring in > > the area where I was working to replace the belts, > just to make sure that > > no > > wire(s) came loose. I would check any detect switches > that need to be > > depressed when the tape is seated in the cassette > compartment. I would > > turn > > the capstans with my hand to make sure they are not > binding. Check for > > something rubbing against the capstan rims, and check > the thrust bearing > > on > > the capstans. > > > > I do not think that the 400 Hz test tone generator > problem and the > > "doesn't > > run tape problem" are related, except for the > coincidence that they are on > > the same machine. > > > > Best, > > > > Fred > > Classic Audio Repair > > www.repairaudio.com > > > >> > >> > >> But... Played a tape for about 10 seconds and > heard it play not so good. > >> Switched off the deck, inspected the belt (no > problems here) and turned > >> the deck on again... now tape does not play! > >> So now it suffers from the same problem as my > other zx-9, no rotating > >> capstans, I suppose orange cap(s) on the DD board? > I checked the > >> capstans > >> were turning after replacing the belt and turning > on the deck for the > >> first time! > >> > >> I also noticed problems in source with the 400hz > tone, so also orange > >> caps > >> there somewhere acting up.... A trip to Tom van > der Hoff has to be > >> planned > >> soon! > >> > >> Wouter > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 18 14:41:17 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:41:17 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: This is a situation where I needed a quick answer on a 'non-working' 600 and 600II. I know all about Ebay and am guessing they sell $15 - $25. I already fixed one (can't get rewind to work) and have a chance to buy three more. Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:50:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Why don't you just go to eBay and look it up yourself? That's really easy to do. Make sure you check the completed listings as well as the items currently up for auction. https://signin.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?SignIn Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: I have a chance to buy a 600, a 600 II cassette deck, and a 600 series rack. Play, REW, and FF are not working on the 600's. Can someone please let me know what the non-working 600 decks and the 600 series rack is going for on Ebay (U.S. dollars). Please respond ASAP as I'm strongly considering buying. Thank you. Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. 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A tight belt is > likely to give this problem - and could cause the DD motor to overheat. > > Cheers > Bala > > --- On *Thu, 2/18/10, Wouter Heijke * wrote: > > > From: Wouter Heijke > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:54 AM > > > Thanks Fred, > Well I turned it on again after 24hrs and it does play again for about 30 > seconds and then slows down and stops and doesn't start again. > Tape travel is also not good... > > Wouter > > > > A simple troubleshooter's question . . . before you replaced the belts, > > even > > though it may not have run "up to spec," did it in fact run tape? > > > > If so, then I suspect you made a technical error in installing the belts. > > (Don't feel bad. I've been repairing audio gear for nearly 40 years, and > > have made more technical errors in that time than I can count!) > > > > If the machine had serious problems with running tape prior to your > > replacing the belt kit, then you are certainly no worse off than before, > > and > > -- with the new belt kit installed -- actually better off. > > > > ********** > > > > If this were on my bench, I would check the power supply, including all > > regulated voltages to make sure they're there. I would check the wiring > in > > the area where I was working to replace the belts, just to make sure that > > no > > wire(s) came loose. I would check any detect switches that need to be > > depressed when the tape is seated in the cassette compartment. I would > > turn > > the capstans with my hand to make sure they are not binding. Check for > > something rubbing against the capstan rims, and check the thrust bearing > > on > > the capstans. > > > > I do not think that the 400 Hz test tone generator problem and the > > "doesn't > > run tape problem" are related, except for the coincidence that they are > on > > the same machine. > > > > Best, > > > > Fred > > Classic Audio Repair > > www.repairaudio.com > > > >> > >> > >> But... Played a tape for about 10 seconds and heard it play not so good. > >> Switched off the deck, inspected the belt (no problems here) and turned > >> the deck on again... now tape does not play! > >> So now it suffers from the same problem as my other zx-9, no rotating > >> capstans, I suppose orange cap(s) on the DD board? I checked the > >> capstans > >> were turning after replacing the belt and turning on the deck for the > >> first time! > >> > >> I also noticed problems in source with the 400hz tone, so also orange > >> caps > >> there somewhere acting up.... 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The muting circuit is, as Willy points out, a common failure. Typically, if the muting devices are themselves defective, and are conventional bipolar transistors, the failure will be a collector-emitter short, or if FET's are used a drain-source short. This can be diagnosed by measuring the resistance from the signal lines to ground using a low-voltage ohmmeter *with the gear off.* You will get close to zero ohms. But what if the muting devices are GOOD, but their control signal that drives them is saying MUTE! MUTE! If the muting transistors have a forward bias on the bases or gates, this means that, for some reason, the muting transistors are being turned ON when they shouldn't be. Normally the bases or gates of the muting transistors are tied together at a single control line, If, as Willy suggests, you unsolder the emitters (or sources) of the muting transistors, they will not be able to conduct, and then -- if the signal returns to the headphone jack -- you know that the muting circuit is responsible. In that case, you need to troubleshoot further to figure out why the muting circuit is activating when it shouldn't. Under those circumstances, a schematic diagram is invaluable!!! Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > If you go through all of Fred's ideas and the headphone jack is still dead, > the only difference between the RCA line outputs and the headphone jack is a > small power amp made up of a dual op amp and four transistors. Since both > channels are out, I would suspect the op amp - IC302. 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Make sure you check the completed listings as well as >the items currently up for auction. > >https://signin.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?SignIn > >Fred >Classic Audio Repair >www.repairaudio.com > >On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Mark Exstedt ><mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote: >I have a chance to buy a 600, a 600 II cassette deck, and a 600 series rack. >Play, REW, and FF are not working on the 600's. >Can someone please let me know what the non-working 600 decks and >the 600 series rack is going for on Ebay (U.S. dollars). >Please respond ASAP as I'm strongly considering buying. >Thank you. > > >---------- >Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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I am "with Tom" on this one. Go to the direct-drive motor servo control board and replace the orange film caps. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Wouter and Fred, The deck slowing down sure sounds like a capstan belt issue to me. Do you have to stretch the belt very hard in order to fit it? A tight belt is likely to give this problem - and could cause the DD motor to overheat. Cheers Bala --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Wouter Heijke wrote: From: Wouter Heijke Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:54 AM Thanks Fred, Well I turned it on again after 24hrs and it does play again for about 30 seconds and then slows down and stops and doesn't start again. Tape travel is also not good... Wouter > A simple troubleshooter's question . . . before you replaced the belts, > even > though it may not have run "up to spec," did it in fact run tape? > > If so, then I suspect you made a technical error in installing the belts. > (Don't feel bad. I've been repairing audio gear for nearly 40 years, and > have made more technical errors in that time than I can count!) > > If the machine had serious problems with running tape prior to your > replacing the belt kit, then you are certainly no worse off than before, > and > -- with the new belt kit installed -- actually better off. > > ********** > > If this were on my bench, I would check the power supply, including all > regulated voltages to make sure they're there. I would check the wiring in > the area where I was working to replace the belts, just to make sure that > no > wire(s) came loose. I would check any detect switches that need to be > depressed when the tape is seated in the cassette compartment. I would > turn > the capstans with my hand to make sure they are not binding. Check for > something rubbing against the capstan rims, and check the thrust bearing > on > the capstans. > > I do not think that the 400 Hz test tone generator problem and the > "doesn't > run tape problem" are related, except for the coincidence that they are on > the same machine. > > Best, > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > >> >> >> But... Played a tape for about 10 seconds and heard it play not so good. >> Switched off the deck, inspected the belt (no problems here) and turned >> the deck on again... now tape does not play! >> So now it suffers from the same problem as my other zx-9, no rotating >> capstans, I suppose orange cap(s) on the DD board? I checked the >> capstans >> were turning after replacing the belt and turning on the deck for the >> first time! >> >> I also noticed problems in source with the 400hz tone, so also orange >> caps >> there somewhere acting up.... 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URL: From spmcmanus at cox.net Fri Feb 19 03:36:52 2010 From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:36:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 problem Message-ID: <20100218213652.JJ63G.463552.imail@eastrmwml48> Appreciate all the responses, after reading them all,it made me realize the failure of the head phone jack was a two part failure. The first was no signal when I tried to monitor off the tape recording. The second, days later was no signal upon playback of any tape. There was nothing gradual about this loss of signal nor was it intermittent. Does this help narrow it down? From daveharris at clear.net.nz Fri Feb 19 04:18:40 2010 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:18:40 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Pad Lifter Patents Message-ID: Hi all I was thinking about the nakamichi pad lifter with the intent of trying to make one to fit on other dual capstan decks (ie non nakamichi). As I was looking for pictures to help me I came accross this site. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/ a litlle fiddling with the advanced search feature to set the search for Japanese patents as well ancd I found lots of nakamichi patents and drawings, which the technically minded among you may enjoy and learn from. start with a search for nakamichi and set your searh to include Japanese Abstracts and you'll find plenty, not all cassette related though. BTW the pad lifter is called Pad abutting device for a magnetic head of a dual capstan type cassette tape recorder which took a bit of figuring out. Search here http://www.freepatentsonline.com/result.html?srch=xprtsrch&uspat=on&jp=on&date_range=all&stemming=on&sort=relevance&query_txt=nakamichi+cassette&search=Search or here for pad lifter http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4307427.html Have fun Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Feb 19 18:21:03 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:21:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92901002190921r3230867ye1b0fdd17e02103f@mail.gmail.com> Find the back end of the shaft you're twisting. You should see openings in it. Spray a SMALL amount of DeOxit in there and twist some more. That should be a permanent fix. Willy On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Sheldon Trewin wrote: > Hello all! > > I have a CR-2A in BEAUTIFUL condition. I made a tape last week – sounded > BEAUTIFUL. I go to make a tape this week and when I play it back, the audio > level is very low and SCRATCHY. The recording level nob also makes a > scratchy sound when I move it left and right. So I decided just to twist it > left and right a few times, to try to losen any oxidation perhaps. While > this temporarily fixed the solution, I was wondering what I should do to > permanently fix this problem. Ive been looking around and De-Oxit seems to > be popular. But which parts to I use it on to clear this problem up? Or is > there something else I am just not thinking of. Any comments would be > appreciated! > > Sheldon > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 17:24:08 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:24:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sheldon, All frontpanel switches and controls should be treated (cleaned) with Caig DeoxIT D-5. This requires some disassembly. You need to take the set apart far enough so that you have access to the rear sides of the switches and controls. There are normally small openings on the bodies of these parts. That's where you squirt the DeoxIT. Once a jet of DeoxIT has been introduced into a control or switch, you need to operate the device. I will run a control through its entire range 30-50 times, and a switch typically 75 times. Do not clean an AC power switch using the standard D-5 formulation. ********** When customers pick up gear from my repair shop after service, I will frequently counsel them *not to let switches and controls sit.* I tell them to periodically exercise all the frontpanel switches and controls. Hope this fixes your CR-2A. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Sheldon Trewin wrote: > Hello all! > > I have a CR-2A in BEAUTIFUL condition. I made a tape last week – sounded > BEAUTIFUL. I go to make a tape this week and when I play it back, the audio > level is very low and SCRATCHY. The recording level nob also makes a > scratchy sound when I move it left and right. So I decided just to twist it > left and right a few times, to try to losen any oxidation perhaps. While > this temporarily fixed the solution, I was wondering what I should do to > permanently fix this problem. Ive been looking around and De-Oxit seems to > be popular. But which parts to I use it on to clear this problem up? Or is > there something else I am just not thinking of. Any comments would be > appreciated! > > Sheldon > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 17:45:22 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:45:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 problem In-Reply-To: <20100218213652.JJ63G.463552.imail@eastrmwml48> References: <20100218213652.JJ63G.463552.imail@eastrmwml48> Message-ID: Sudden and catastrophic death of the headphone function is consistent with a failure of the dual op amp and/or the power supply voltages to same. It is also consistent with an "incipient crack" in the circuit board that suddenly propagated another inch or so and ruptured foil traces. It is further consistent with muting transistors that are suddenly being told "be quiet!" But nothing beats a visual inspection of the circuitry in question, followed by looking at the supply voltages on the pins 4 (about -12v) and pin 8 (+12v) on the dual op amp IC. At this point, I see no alternative other than to take the machine apart and investigate closely, because, given the symptom, there is not a single unambiguous cause. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:36 PM, wrote: > Appreciate all the responses, after reading them all,it made me realize the > failure of the head phone jack was a two part failure. The first was no > signal when I tried to monitor off the tape recording. The second, days > later was no signal upon playback of any tape. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 17:57:56 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:57:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 continued In-Reply-To: <002f01cab0ec$2de6c7b0$89b45710$@utah.edu> References: <332082.86952.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002f01cab0ec$2de6c7b0$89b45710$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Indeed, but in my experience (unlike with some Akai units) I do not recall a Nakamichi cassette deck where the capstan bearings got gummed up and sticky. Occasionally, following disassembly for service, and subsequent reassembly, someone will make an error putting the drive back together, and a bundle of wires will rub against the flywheel rim. This does not however produce "no rotating capstans," it just causes the flywheels to rub against the wires. I think Tom's suggestion to go to the DD motor board and change out the orange caps is probably the way to go here. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Has anyone wondered if the capstans spin freely? Poor lubrication could > also be a factor. > > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 > > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:00 AM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued > > > > My rule of thumb is that a belt should stretch 3% - 5% between "relaxed" > and "on the pulleys". I do not think, however, that a belt is the cause of > this problem. > > I am "with Tom" on this one. Go to the direct-drive motor servo control > board and replace the orange film caps. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > > Hi Wouter and Fred, > > The deck slowing down sure sounds like a capstan belt issue to me. Do you > have to stretch the belt very hard in order to fit it? A tight belt is > likely to give this problem - and could cause the DD motor to overheat. > > Cheers > Bala > > --- On *Thu, 2/18/10, Wouter Heijke * wrote: > > > From: Wouter Heijke > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:54 AM > > > > Thanks Fred, > Well I turned it on again after 24hrs and it does play again for about 30 > seconds and then slows down and stops and doesn't start again. > Tape travel is also not good... > > Wouter > > > > A simple troubleshooter's question . . . before you replaced the belts, > > even > > though it may not have run "up to spec," did it in fact run tape? > > > > If so, then I suspect you made a technical error in installing the belts. > > (Don't feel bad. I've been repairing audio gear for nearly 40 years, and > > have made more technical errors in that time than I can count!) > > > > If the machine had serious problems with running tape prior to your > > replacing the belt kit, then you are certainly no worse off than before, > > and > > -- with the new belt kit installed -- actually better off. > > > > ********** > > > > If this were on my bench, I would check the power supply, including all > > regulated voltages to make sure they're there. I would check the wiring > in > > the area where I was working to replace the belts, just to make sure that > > no > > wire(s) came loose. I would check any detect switches that need to be > > depressed when the tape is seated in the cassette compartment. I would > > turn > > the capstans with my hand to make sure they are not binding. Check for > > something rubbing against the capstan rims, and check the thrust bearing > > on > > the capstans. > > > > I do not think that the 400 Hz test tone generator problem and the > > "doesn't > > run tape problem" are related, except for the coincidence that they are > on > > the same machine. > > > > Best, > > > > Fred > > Classic Audio Repair > > www.repairaudio.com > > > >> > >> > >> But... Played a tape for about 10 seconds and heard it play not so good. > >> Switched off the deck, inspected the belt (no problems here) and turned > >> the deck on again... now tape does not play! > >> So now it suffers from the same problem as my other zx-9, no rotating > >> capstans, I suppose orange cap(s) on the DD board? I checked the > >> capstans > >> were turning after replacing the belt and turning on the deck for the > >> first time! > >> > >> I also noticed problems in source with the 400hz tone, so also orange > >> caps > >> there somewhere acting up.... A trip to Tom van der Hoff has to be > >> planned > >> soon! > >> > >> Wouter > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards John Gipps Message: 30 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:01:53 -0500 From: Subject: [naktalk] 680 not recording To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20100216200153.YTVOE.717279.imail at eastrmwml30> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Guys, I have a 680 Nak that will not record the 400 test tone nor any audio input. It will play back any tape I choose just no signal from this deck. The ram light is out and also the speed selector light ,any possible connection there? I also noticed that when I tried to calibrate for recording the test signal did not indicate "0". When I flipped the switch to tape the test tone dropped off. Any ideas? __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Sat Feb 20 06:51:17 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:51:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Problem In-Reply-To: <201002191203.o1JBsSL7019562@zxe.naks.com> References: <201002191203.o1JBsSL7019562@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <452099.88521.qm@web113718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi spmcmanus When the first part of the failure occurred, and you couldn't "monitor off the tape recording" from the headphone socket, could you at that time monitor off the tape recording from the RCA outputs? If not, then that sounds like a record problem, and if so, the really common Nakamichi record problem is the bias oscillator (same as the answer I gave for your 680). Could you please confirm that with the second stage of your headphone output failure, that you do still get a play output signal from the RCA outputs. Regards John Gipps Message: 13 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:36:52 -0500 From: Subject: [naktalk] LX5 problem To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20100218213652.JJ63G.463552.imail at eastrmwml48> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Appreciate all the responses, after reading them all,it made me realize the failure of the head phone jack was a two part failure. The first was no signal when I tried to monitor off the tape recording. The second, days later was no signal upon playback of any tape. There was nothing gradual about this loss of signal nor was it intermittent. Does this help narrow it down? __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 09:52:22 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:52:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Not Recording In-Reply-To: <923503.99346.qm@web113710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <201002172049.o1HKeRDO009938@zxe.naks.com> <923503.99346.qm@web113710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Cornell-Dubilier/168472J100A-F/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvOcEq4GH1AAq%2fKU8ykyjyB3qq5K2GaZTw%3d On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:41 PM, John Gipps wrote: > Hi spmcmanus > > The most likely cause of this problem are two capacitors in the bias > oscillator - C321 and C322. Usually one is defective but replace both. They > are 4.7nF film caps - you could use most types of film caps as a replacement > - low cost and easily sourced polyesters would be fine. Sometimes, Q303 may > also be damaged - and more rarely Q301 and/or Q302. Replace C321 and C322 > first and chances are, you'll be back in business. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > Message: 30 > Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:01:53 -0500 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] 680 not recording > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <20100216200153.YTVOE.717279.imail at eastrmwml30> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Guys, I have a 680 Nak that will not record the 400 test tone nor any audio > input. It will play back any tape I choose just no signal from this deck. > The ram light is out and also the speed selector light ,any possible > connection there? I also noticed that when I tried to calibrate for > recording the test signal did not indicate "0". When I flipped the switch to > tape the test tone dropped off. Any ideas? > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Feb 20 11:12:35 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:12:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] oem deck on ebay Message-ID: <45017d67fdb41ecb6cf53029d94dbd1e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> If anyone is interested in a 350 in "made in Japan" in Fisher packaging, check ebay item 320490767471 Have one already so will skip this one! Wouter From robertsausec at chaska.net Sat Feb 20 18:03:47 2010 From: robertsausec at chaska.net (Webmail robertsausec) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:03:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-2 Manual Message-ID: <547854d01002200903n11181db3m6bc80d372e62341e@mail.gmail.com> looking for a repair manual for an MR-2,,thanks in Advance FF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Feb 20 19:29:38 2010 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:29:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] oem deck on ebay In-Reply-To: <45017d67fdb41ecb6cf53029d94dbd1e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <865388.40170.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I also see Willy has a 680 and a DM-10 up on ebay. --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Wouter Heijke wrote: > > If anyone is interested in a 350 in "made in Japan" in > Fisher packaging, > check ebay item 320490767471 > > Have one already so will skip this one! > > Wouter > From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Feb 21 16:10:00 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:10:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 continued In-Reply-To: References: <332082.86952.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002f01cab0ec$2de6c7b0$89b45710$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <945204.1870.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Indeed, but in my experience (unlike with some Akai units) I do not recall a > Nakamichi cassette deck where the capstan bearings got gummed up and sticky. I have, several times. But all were with a DD Sankyo motor and most resulted in high wow, slow rotation. If these symptoms appeared in a CR5 or 7 or MR-1, etc., this would be the first thing I would check. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 11:57:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued Indeed, but in my experience (unlike with some Akai units) I do not recall a Nakamichi cassette deck where the capstan bearings got gummed up and sticky. Occasionally, following disassembly for service, and subsequent reassembly, someone will make an error putting the drive back together, and a bundle of wires will rub against the flywheel rim. This does not however produce "no rotating capstans," it just causes the flywheels to rub against the wires. I think Tom's suggestion to go to the DD motor board and change out the orange caps is probably the way to go here. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> >> >Has anyone wondered if the capstans spin freely? Poor >lubrication could also be a factor. > >Victor M. >Gabrenas >Voice: >1-801-581-5257 >University of >Utah >FAX: >1-801-581-4148 >Department of >Mathematics >Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >155 S 1400 E RM >233 >Office: > > LCB105 >Salt Lake City, Ut, >84112-0090 > >> >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred >Longworth >Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:00 AM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued > >> > >My rule of thumb is that a belt >should stretch 3% - 5% between "relaxed" and "on the >pulleys". I do not think, however, that a belt is the cause of this >problem. > >>I am "with Tom" on this one. Go to the direct-drive motor servo >control board and replace the orange film caps. > >>Fred >>Classic Audio Repair >www.repairaudio.com >> >On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >Hi Wouter and > Fred, > >> The deck slowing down sure sounds like a capstan belt issue to me. Do you > have to stretch the belt very hard in order to fit it? A tight belt is likely > to give this problem - and could cause the DD motor to overheat. > >> Cheers >> Bala > >> --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Wouter Heijke > wrote: > >> From: Wouter Heijke >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: > Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:54 AM > >Thanks Fred, >> Well I turned it on again after 24hrs and it does play again for about 30 >> seconds and then slows down and stops and doesn't start again. >> Tape travel is also not good... > >> Wouter > > >> > A simple troubleshooter's question . . . before you replaced the belts, >> > even >> > though it may not have run "up to spec," did it in fact run > tape? >> > >> > If so, then I suspect you made a technical error in installing the > belts. >> > (Don't feel bad. I've been repairing audio gear for nearly 40 years, and >> > have made more technical errors in that time than I can count!) >> > >> > If the machine had serious problems with running tape prior to your >> > replacing the belt kit, then you are certainly no worse off than before, >> > and >> > -- with the new belt kit installed -- actually better off. >> > >> > ********** >> > >> > If this were on my bench, I would check the power supply, including all >> > regulated voltages to make sure they're there. I would check the wiring > in >> > the area where I was working to replace the belts, just to make sure > that >> > no >> > wire(s) came loose. I would check any detect switches that need to be >> > depressed when the tape is seated in the cassette compartment. I would >> > turn >> > the capstans with my hand to make sure they are not binding. Check for >> > something rubbing against the capstan rims, and check the thrust bearing >> > on >> > the capstans. >> > >> > I do not think that the 400 Hz test tone generator problem and the >> > "doesn't >> > run tape problem" are related, except for the coincidence that they > are on >> > the same machine. >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Fred >> > Classic Audio Repair >> > www.repairaudio.com >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> But... Played a tape for about 10 seconds and heard it play not so > good. >> >> Switched off the deck, inspected the belt (no problems here) and > turned >> >> the deck on again... now tape does not play! >> >> So now it suffers from the same problem as my other zx-9, no rotating >> >> capstans, I suppose orange cap(s) on the DD board? I checked the >> >> capstans >> >> were turning after replacing the belt and turning on the deck for > the >> >> first time! >> >> >> >> I also noticed problems in source with the 400hz tone, so also > orange >> >> caps >> >> there somewhere acting up.... A trip to Tom van der Hoff has to be >> >> planned >> >> soon! >> >> >> >> Wouter >> >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 18:07:38 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:07:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 continued In-Reply-To: <945204.1870.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <332082.86952.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002f01cab0ec$2de6c7b0$89b45710$@utah.edu> <945204.1870.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I remember this series of Akai cassette decks -- from the late seventies as I recall -- they haven't come in for service in a number of years -- all dead I suppose. In any case, whoever was the rocket scientist who supervised the assembly procedure *loaded the capstan shaft-and-bushing with lots of grease. *In less than ten years of normal use, the grease would harden, and the capstan would freeze up. Not just sticky. Totally frozen. The standard fix was to take it all apart. Sometimes I had to use heat from a soldering iron (or gun) to loosen the grease -- then remove the capstan. The cleaning device was a regular old pipe cleaner dipped in alcohol. So . . . you say DD Sankyo motors occasionally get gummed-up capstans on Naks. Hmmm. Sankyo also made these dual-speed motors for ordinary cassettes. They had the number SHU2L. Their usual failure was to short and to open up the series dropping resistor. Teac used them on a number of their cheapo cassette models. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Ron wrote: > > Indeed, but in my experience (unlike with some Akai units) I do not > recall a > > Nakamichi cassette deck where the capstan bearings got gummed up and > sticky. > > I have, several times. But all were with a > DD Sankyo motor and most resulted in high > wow, slow rotation. If these symptoms > appeared in a CR5 or 7 or MR-1, etc., this > would be the first thing I would check. > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fred Longworth > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Fri, February 19, 2010 11:57:56 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued > > Indeed, but in my experience (unlike with some Akai units) I do not recall > a Nakamichi cassette deck where the capstan bearings got gummed up and > sticky. > > Occasionally, following disassembly for service, and subsequent reassembly, > someone will make an error putting the drive back together, and a bundle of > wires will rub against the flywheel rim. This does not however produce "no > rotating capstans," it just causes the flywheels to rub against the wires. > > I think Tom's suggestion to go to the DD motor board and change out the > orange caps is probably the way to go here. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > ********** > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > >> Has anyone wondered if the capstans spin freely? Poor lubrication could >> also be a factor. >> >> >> >> Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >> >> University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >> >> Department of Mathematics Email: >> gabrenas at math.utah.edu >> >> 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 >> >> Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 >> >> >> >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Fred Longworth >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:00 AM >> >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued >> >> >> >> My rule of thumb is that a belt should stretch 3% - 5% between "relaxed" >> and "on the pulleys". I do not think, however, that a belt is the cause of >> this problem. >> >> I am "with Tom" on this one. Go to the direct-drive motor servo control >> board and replace the orange film caps. >> >> Fred >> Classic Audio Repair >> www.repairaudio.com >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> wrote: >> >> Hi Wouter and Fred, >> >> The deck slowing down sure sounds like a capstan belt issue to me. Do you >> have to stretch the belt very hard in order to fit it? A tight belt is >> likely to give this problem - and could cause the DD motor to overheat. >> >> Cheers >> Bala >> >> --- On *Thu, 2/18/10, Wouter Heijke * wrote: >> >> >> From: Wouter Heijke >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-9 continued >> >> >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >> Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:54 AM >> >> >> >> Thanks Fred, >> Well I turned it on again after 24hrs and it does play again for about 30 >> seconds and then slows down and stops and doesn't start again. >> Tape travel is also not good... >> >> Wouter >> >> >> > A simple troubleshooter's question . . . before you replaced the belts, >> > even >> > though it may not have run "up to spec," did it in fact run tape? >> > >> > If so, then I suspect you made a technical error in installing the >> belts. >> > (Don't feel bad. I've been repairing audio gear for nearly 40 years, and >> > have made more technical errors in that time than I can count!) >> > >> > If the machine had serious problems with running tape prior to your >> > replacing the belt kit, then you are certainly no worse off than before, >> > and >> > -- with the new belt kit installed -- actually better off. >> > >> > ********** >> > >> > If this were on my bench, I would check the power supply, including all >> > regulated voltages to make sure they're there. I would check the wiring >> in >> > the area where I was working to replace the belts, just to make sure >> that >> > no >> > wire(s) came loose. I would check any detect switches that need to be >> > depressed when the tape is seated in the cassette compartment. I would >> > turn >> > the capstans with my hand to make sure they are not binding. Check for >> > something rubbing against the capstan rims, and check the thrust bearing >> > on >> > the capstans. >> > >> > I do not think that the 400 Hz test tone generator problem and the >> > "doesn't >> > run tape problem" are related, except for the coincidence that they are >> on >> > the same machine. >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Fred >> > Classic Audio Repair >> > www.repairaudio.com >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> But... Played a tape for about 10 seconds and heard it play not so >> good. >> >> Switched off the deck, inspected the belt (no problems here) and turned >> >> the deck on again... now tape does not play! >> >> So now it suffers from the same problem as my other zx-9, no rotating >> >> capstans, I suppose orange cap(s) on the DD board? I checked the >> >> capstans >> >> were turning after replacing the belt and turning on the deck for the >> >> first time! >> >> >> >> I also noticed problems in source with the 400hz tone, so also orange >> >> caps >> >> there somewhere acting up.... A trip to Tom van der Hoff has to be >> >> planned >> >> soon! >> >> >> >> Wouter >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 21 18:56:42 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:56:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-2 Manual In-Reply-To: <905438.3070.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <547854d01002200903n11181db3m6bc80d372e62341e@mail.gmail.com> <905438.3070.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If it is the same one as the one on the wiki you can save the trouble and just download it: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Wouter > > I have it, Can you accept 21MB attachments? > > -- Ron > > ________________________________ > From: Webmail robertsausec > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 12:03:47 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-2 Manual > > looking for a repair manual for an MR-2,,thanks in Advance FF > > From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Feb 21 20:36:08 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:36:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay Message-ID: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.com> Check out item # 110494652797 on eBay. I'm not saying that Pro Digital (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing this guy a line about their service but can someone on this forum please tell me where the adjustment pot is for the capstan speed? Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a crystal reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a crystal >reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. > >Willy >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajivdallas at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 21:15:17 2010 From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (Rajiv) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:15:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <928595018-1266783371-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-268464908-@bda670.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have also been noticing a lot of Naks on eBay lately that seem to have been serviced by this Pro-Digital.....had never heard of them before....had anyone on here had any experience? The fact that these items have this added carrot of "recently serviced by ProDigital" seems to cause the bids to increase substansially....gives most naïve bidders that false sense of confidence that the item is in great shape. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Willy Hermann Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:36:08 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sun Feb 21 21:22:57 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:22:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01cab333$a88bf910$f9a3eb30$@utah.edu> Did not know they have a loading belt as well. Hmm I wonder what other belt was replaced? very detailed! From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:36 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay Check out item # 110494652797 on eBay. I'm not saying that Pro Digital (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing this guy a line about their service but can someone on this forum please tell me where the adjustment pot is for the capstan speed? Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a crystal reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 22:56:07 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:56:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <928595018-1266783371-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-268464908-@bda670.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.com> <928595018-1266783371-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-268464908-@bda670.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: It is perhaps not an accident that the first four letters of ProDigital spell "Prod". The hype "prods" the bidder into higher and higher numbers. As for speed adjustment, if you accelerate the Dragon relative to the frame of reference of, say, you or me, it's "clock" will slow down relative to us, and our clock will speed up relative to it. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Rajiv wrote: > I have also been noticing a lot of Naks on eBay lately that seem to have > been serviced by this Pro-Digital.....had never heard of them before....had > anyone on here had any experience? > > The fact that these items have this added carrot of "recently serviced by > ProDigital" seems to cause the bids to increase substansially....gives most > naïve bidders that false sense of confidence that the item is in great > shape. > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Willy Hermann > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:36:08 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not saying that Pro Digital (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing this guy a line about their service but can someone on this forum please tell me where the adjustment pot is for the capstan speed? Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a crystal reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Feb 21 23:25:40 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:25:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <0KY700ML3JX25HP2@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.com> <0KY700ML3JX25HP2@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <750416.96785.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Probably, the cam motor belt. ________________________________ From: Roland To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 3:07:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay What's a loading belt? * Cleaned Transport, Heads, Guides, Rollers * Replaced Belt * De-magnitized Heads, Lubed Cam, Replaced Loading Belt * aligned Tape Path * Adjusted Capstan Speed At 02:36 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: Check out item # 110494652797 on >eBay. I'm not saying that Pro Digital (the name itself should scare >most of us off) is stringing this guy a line about their service but can >someone on this forum please tell me where the adjustment pot is for the >capstan speed? Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a >crystal reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. > > >>Willy >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the >wiki! >http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 23:51:29 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:51:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <001a01cab333$a88bf910$f9a3eb30$@utah.edu> References: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.com> <001a01cab333$a88bf910$f9a3eb30$@utah.edu> Message-ID: I bought a simple BX-1 on eBay about two years ago. It was described as recently serviced and running well. Unsurprisingly, it ate tapes (don't all the BX-1's!). Worse, there was some kind of white chalky substance all over the pc board, as if the whole machine had been sprayed with something. When I protested to the seller, even though I identified myself as the owner of a repair shop and posted my shop's URL, the seller told me that everything was fine because repairs had been performed on the "lower-order worm gear." Yikes! Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ***** On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Did not know they have a loading belt as well. Hmm I wonder what other > belt was replaced? very detailed! > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Willy Hermann > *Sent:* Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:36 PM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] Dragon on eBay > > > > Check out item # 110494652797 on eBay. I'm not saying that Pro Digital > (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing this guy a line > about their service but can someone on this forum please tell me where the > adjustment pot is for the capstan speed? Anybody who knows the unit at all > knows it is a crystal reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. > > > > > Willy > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Feb 22 01:31:35 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:31:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <880942.46762.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.com> <880942.46762.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b6f92901002211631n2d9108beid13daac2e35eb63e@mail.gmail.com> Guess I shouldn't be that critical. I'm sure all of us have filled out a service invoice hastily and put down stuff wrong. Does anyone know these guys? Willy On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Ron wrote: > > They probably meant, 'reel motor speed', (not > capstan). That's VR601 (as in so many other > Nakamichi models). Or, between you and me > and the lamp post, it's possible they simply put > it in to justify the $120. > > BTW, reel motor speed is a misnomer. It's > actually reel motor torque. > > -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Willy Hermann > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sun, February 21, 2010 2:36:08 PM > > *Subject:* [naktalk] Dragon on eBay > > Check out item # 110494652797 on eBay. I'm not saying that Pro Digital > (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing this guy a line > about their service but can someone on this forum please tell me where the > adjustment pot is for the capstan speed? Anybody who knows the unit at all > knows it is a crystal reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. > > > Willy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 21 23:05:20 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:05:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <0KY700ML3JX25HP2@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <789630.60827.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Willy is so right. There is no speed adjustment on the Dragon DD motor. So much for this seller's mumbo jumbo I guess. Ram --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Roland wrote: From: Roland Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 3:07 PM What's a loading belt? Cleaned Transport, Heads, Guides, Rollers Replaced Belt De-magnitized Heads, Lubed Cam, Replaced Loading Belt aligned Tape Path Adjusted Capstan Speed At 02:36 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: Check out item # 110494652797 on eBay.  I'm not saying that Pro Digital (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing this guy a line about their service but can someone on this forum please tell me where the adjustment pot is for the capstan speed?  Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a crystal reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment.  Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Mon Feb 22 01:26:53 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:26:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KY7008B6VWGUEN2@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> This is why I'll never buy a Nakamichi deck unless the eBay auction says it was fully serviced by Willy Hermann...even if it's not true!!! At 02:36 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: >Check out item # 110494652797 on eBay. I'm not saying that Pro >Digital (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing >this guy a line about their service but can someone on this forum >please tell me where the adjustment pot is for the capstan >speed? Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a crystal >reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. > >Willy >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 09:59:10 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:59:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <750416.96785.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4b6f92901002211136t12f35864n3fb2fc6cd8ca8264@mail.gmail.com> <0KY700ML3JX25HP2@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> <750416.96785.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A6CF656-4588-4604-8AB2-4F53F6A2ABA0@gmail.com> In GX-95 Akai Decks a Belt is closing the cassette door. Are the Naka CR-7 Decks closing the Cassette door automatically ? regards Am 21.02.2010 um 23:25 schrieb Ron: > > Probably, the cam motor belt. > > From: Roland > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 3:07:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay > > What's a loading belt? > > Cleaned Transport, Heads, Guides, Rollers > Replaced Belt > De-magnitized Heads, Lubed Cam, Replaced Loading Belt > aligned Tape Path > Adjusted Capstan Speed > > > At 02:36 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: >> Check out item # 110494652797 on eBay. I'm not saying that Pro >> Digital (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing >> this guy a line about their service but can someone on this forum >> please tell me where the adjustment pot is for the capstan speed? >> Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a crystal reference >> dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. >> >> Willy >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not saying that Pro >>Digital (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing >>this guy a line about their service but can someone on this forum >>please tell me where the adjustment pot is for the capstan >>speed? Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a crystal >>reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. >> >>Willy From hitech at birch.net Mon Feb 22 18:45:20 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:45:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002211631n2d9108beid13daac2e35eb63e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't heard of them. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay Guess I shouldn't be that critical. I'm sure all of us have filled out a service invoice hastily and put down stuff wrong. Does anyone know these guys? Willy On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Ron wrote: They probably meant, 'reel motor speed', (not capstan). That's VR601 (as in so many other Nakamichi models). Or, between you and me and the lamp post, it's possible they simply put it in to justify the $120. BTW, reel motor speed is a misnomer. It's actually reel motor torque. -- Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 2:36:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay Check out item # 110494652797 on eBay. I'm not saying that Pro Digital (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing this guy a line about their service but can someone on this forum please tell me where the adjustment pot is for the capstan speed? Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a crystal reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hrameshrao at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 12:19:57 2010 From: hrameshrao at gmail.com (Ramesh Rao) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:49:57 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Belt kit Message-ID: Hi Nak Friends, I own 670zx which requires Belt replacement as "Eject lever" is not working. I procured the Factory Belt Kit from " Marrscommunications". Can any one guide me how to replace the Belt for 670ZX? I stay in India. 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Jayson ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 3:59:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay  In  GX-95  Akai Decks a Belt  is closing the cassette door.  Are the Naka CR-7  Decks closing the Cassette door  automatically ? regards Am 21.02.2010 um 23:25 schrieb Ron: >Probably, the cam motor belt. > > > > ________________________________ From: Roland >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 3:07:17 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay > >What's a loading belt? > > > * Cleaned Transport, Heads, Guides, Rollers > * Replaced Belt > * De-magnitized Heads, Lubed Cam, Replaced Loading Belt > * aligned Tape Path > * Adjusted Capstan Speed > >At 02:36 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: > >Check out item # 110494652797 on eBay.  I'm not saying that Pro Digital (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing this guy a line about their service but can someone on this forum please tell me where the adjustment pot is for the capstan speed?  Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a crystal reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment.  >> >>Willy >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Roland > >When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Feb 22 18:51:16 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:51:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <4b6f92901002211631n2d9108beid13daac2e35eb63e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01cab3e7$a1c85b00$e5591100$@utah.edu> I have not heard of them either. Victor Gabrenas From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay I haven't heard of them. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay Guess I shouldn't be that critical. I'm sure all of us have filled out a service invoice hastily and put down stuff wrong. Does anyone know these guys? Willy On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Ron wrote: They probably meant, 'reel motor speed', (not capstan). That's VR601 (as in so many other Nakamichi models). Or, between you and me and the lamp post, it's possible they simply put it in to justify the $120. BTW, reel motor speed is a misnomer. It's actually reel motor torque. -- Ron _____ From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 2:36:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on eBay Check out item # 110494652797 on eBay. I'm not saying that Pro Digital (the name itself should scare most of us off) is stringing this guy a line about their service but can someone on this forum please tell me where the adjustment pot is for the capstan speed? Anybody who knows the unit at all knows it is a crystal reference dual DD motor which has no speed adjustment. Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Feb 22 19:56:17 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:56:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] T100 For Sale Message-ID: <001c01cab3f0$b6d84470$2488cd50$@utah.edu> Looks a very nice T100 for sale on E-bay. Scott Johnson's? Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                 LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Feb 22 21:27:49 2010 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:27:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes on ebay References: Message-ID: Hi, Are there Naktalkers who has experience with the not original testtapes we can order on ebay? Is it a good buy? http://cgi.ebay.nl/Set-of-Calibration-Alignment-Tapes-for-NAKAMICHI-deck_W0QQitemZ280399440848QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item41491bebd0 Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 22 21:46:44 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:46:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Belt kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <123098.38557.qm@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ramesh, The 670zx is not dependent on belts for eject to function correctly. The eject lever in these decks does break and cause issues. You need another fresh eject mechanism to replace the broken one I have heard! The capstan belt is easy to replace. Remove the top cover (4 screws) and the bottom cover(8-9 screws) and then remove the four long screws behind the flywheels to enable the holding plate to come off with the capstan motor. Pull the old belt of, clean the flywheels with alcohol and dry them. Insert the new belt and fit it over the two flywheels and then put the back plate with the motor back on and fasten the 4 long screws. Take a tweezer and gently pull the belt over the pulley of the capstan motor and you are in business. The above is applicable for any classic transport. Good luck. Ram. --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Ramesh Rao wrote: From: Ramesh Rao Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Belt kit To: Naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 6:19 AM Hi Nak Friends, I own 670zx which requires Belt replacement as "Eject lever" is not working. I procured the Factory Belt Kit from " Marrscommunications". Can any one guide me how to replace the Belt for 670ZX? I stay in India.  Thanking you in advance.  -- Regards H Ramesh Rao +91  98860 55302 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Tue Feb 23 00:36:32 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:36:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Belt kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mr. Rao, After removing the top cover, look at the upper right corner of the mechanism for the end of a slender cable attached to a nylon lever. The brass bushing on this cable is secured beneath a nylon bar and pressure screw, and you will easily find this bar and note the crack in it. The repair is to secure the brass bushing in its proper place. Some repair this with epoxy on the nylon, however if you search the Naks.com service bulletins you will find instructions on devising a clamp using a common screw, two nuts and two washers. In rare cases the cable is properly clamped, but the eject lever behind the front panel has broken. This L shaped lever may be epoxyed. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ramesh Rao Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:20 AM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Belt kit Hi Nak Friends, I own 670zx which requires Belt replacement as "Eject lever" is not working. I procured the Factory Belt Kit from " Marrscommunications". Can any one guide me how to replace the Belt for 670ZX? I stay in India. Thanking you in advance. -- Regards H Ramesh Rao +91 98860 55302 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Feb 23 05:46:44 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:46:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Belt kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92901002222046r1d77b28m8a3b17d1dba6fc89@mail.gmail.com> Tom - that's instructions for a 480 not a 670/680 series. Mr Rao - With a little luck your eject mechanism is not working because the transport is in the locked position thinking that it is playing a tape. This is caused by a stretched cam belt which slips and won't bring the mechanism back to the stop point and/or a very sticky mechanism which needs to be cleaned and relubed. Unfortunately, when this happens frequently the user decides that "Rambo-ing" the the eject lever will solve the problem. It doesn't and snaps off the eject shaft on the back of the face plate creating a big problem. You first have to fix the sluggish mechanism so that the tape ejects. The lever will usually work even after the shaft is broken - it will just be very loose. Once that is fixed and the deck is working properly you have to fix the lever. I have recently repaired one of those in a way I am planning on posting on my web site. It's too lengthy to write here but there is a possible fix for it without having to buy a deck with a good face plate. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:36 PM, tom brucker wrote: > Mr. Rao, > After removing the top cover, look at the upper right corner of the > mechanism for the end of a slender cable attached to a nylon lever. The > brass bushing on this cable is secured beneath a nylon bar and pressure > screw, and you will easily find this bar and note the crack in it. The > repair is to secure the brass bushing in its proper place. Some repair this > with epoxy on the nylon, however if you search the Naks.com service > bulletins you will find instructions on devising a clamp using a common > screw, two nuts and two washers. > In rare cases the cable is properly clamped, but the eject lever behind > the front panel has broken. This L shaped lever may be epoxyed. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Ramesh Rao > *Sent:* Monday, February 22, 2010 5:20 AM > *To:* Naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] 670ZX Belt kit > > Hi Nak Friends, > > I own 670zx which requires Belt replacement as "Eject lever" is not > working. I procured the Factory Belt Kit from " Marrscommunications". Can > any one guide me how to replace the Belt for 670ZX? I stay in India. > > Thanking you in advance. > > -- > Regards > H Ramesh Rao > +91 98860 55302 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                        LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Tue Feb 23 01:52:26 2010 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:52:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual Message-ID: Hi, Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the manual for that. Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from elsewhere? 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy of the original. Thanks Peter _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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Is it a good buy?      http://cgi.ebay.nl/Set-of-Calibration-Alignment-Tapes-for-NAKAMICHI-deck_W0QQitemZ280399440848QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item41491bebd0   Regards Norman -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hrameshrao at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 07:45:11 2010 From: hrameshrao at gmail.com (Ramesh Rao) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:15:11 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Belt kit In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002222046r1d77b28m8a3b17d1dba6fc89@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92901002222046r1d77b28m8a3b17d1dba6fc89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Willy/ Tom Brucker / Shanthi Ramachandran Thanks for the immediate responses. Wily I understand your suggestion is very close to the problem I am facing. If I rotate the Cam wheel by hand the cassette gets ejected easily and eject lever operates. When I power ON eject lever gets stuck again. Pl let me know the website where in you will publish the solution. Thanks and regards H Ramesh Rao On 23 February 2010 10:16, Willy Hermann wrote: > Tom - that's instructions for a 480 not a 670/680 series. > > Mr Rao - > > With a little luck your eject mechanism is not working because the > transport is in the locked position thinking that it is playing a tape. > This is caused by a stretched cam belt which slips and won't bring the > mechanism back to the stop point and/or a very sticky mechanism which needs > to be cleaned and relubed. Unfortunately, when this happens frequently the > user decides that "Rambo-ing" the the eject lever will solve the problem. > It doesn't and snaps off the eject shaft on the back of the face plate > creating a big problem. You first have to fix the sluggish mechanism so > that the tape ejects. The lever will usually work even after the shaft is > broken - it will just be very loose. Once that is fixed and the deck is > working properly you have to fix the lever. I have recently repaired one of > those in a way I am planning on posting on my web site. It's too lengthy to > write here but there is a possible fix for it without having to buy a deck > with a good face plate. > > Best of luck. > > Willy > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:36 PM, tom brucker wrote: > >> Mr. Rao, >> After removing the top cover, look at the upper right corner of the >> mechanism for the end of a slender cable attached to a nylon lever. The >> brass bushing on this cable is secured beneath a nylon bar and pressure >> screw, and you will easily find this bar and note the crack in it. The >> repair is to secure the brass bushing in its proper place. Some repair this >> with epoxy on the nylon, however if you search the Naks.com service >> bulletins you will find instructions on devising a clamp using a common >> screw, two nuts and two washers. >> In rare cases the cable is properly clamped, but the eject lever behind >> the front panel has broken. This L shaped lever may be epoxyed. >> >> tom brucker >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On >> Behalf Of *Ramesh Rao >> *Sent:* Monday, February 22, 2010 5:20 AM >> *To:* Naktalk at naks.com >> *Subject:* [naktalk] 670ZX Belt kit >> >> Hi Nak Friends, >> >> I own 670zx which requires Belt replacement as "Eject lever" is not >> working. I procured the Factory Belt Kit from " Marrscommunications". Can >> any one guide me how to replace the Belt for 670ZX? I stay in India. >> >> Thanking you in advance. >> >> -- >> Regards >> H Ramesh Rao >> +91 98860 55302 >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Regards H Ramesh Rao -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Tue Feb 23 09:45:56 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:45:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <020301cab464$9e927c90$dbb775b0$@net> I have manuals for the 480 and 481 if you want them (Service manuals). From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:52 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual Hi, Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the manual for that. Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from elsewhere? 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy of the original. Thanks Peter _____ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Feb 23 12:11:17 2010 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes on ebay In-Reply-To: <692339.1541.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <692339.1541.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2079.145.44.29.96.1266923477.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Bala, Great, then i will also order the set. The originals are so hard to find! Thanks, Regards Norman Op Di, 23 februari, 2010 3:01 am schreef Bala Ganesh Chandra: > Hi Norman, > > > These are from our fellow Naktalker Luis. The tapes are quite good and > the next best thing to the original tapes. A number of us are using his > tapes for referencing our equipment. > > Regards Bala > > > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > > From: Norman van Wijnen > Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes on ebay > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:27 AM > > > > > > > > Hi, >   > Are there Naktalkers who has experience with > the not original testtapes we can order on ebay? Is it a good buy?  >   >   > http://cgi.ebay.nl/Set-of-Calibration-Alignment-Tapes-for-NAKAMICHI-deck_W > 0QQitemZ280399440848QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item41 > 491bebd0 >   > Regards Norman > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========  >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------====== > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Tue Feb 23 13:14:19 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:14:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes on ebay References: Message-ID: <08D838DD48AF4289932D57DA4C4A2B2D@superdator> I bought a set to replace my old original tapes and they work without remark! Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 9:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes on ebay Hi, Are there Naktalkers who has experience with the not original testtapes we can order on ebay? Is it a good buy? http://cgi.ebay.nl/Set-of-Calibration-Alignment-Tapes-for-NAKAMICHI-deck_W0QQitemZ280399440848QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item41491bebd0 Regards Norman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 17:30:55 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:30:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I do the head height adjustment (and I do hope you mean exactly that, sometimes people confuse height with other factors), I use an alignment jig that I purchased from Hitachi about thirty years ago. The jig is made of steel and looks much like a cassette, only it is less than half the thickness. There is a tiny block that fits on top of the alignment jig *and is intended to fit through the tape guides on the heads. *As you might expect, you adjust head height so that the block centers between the guides. Everything is machined to the specifications given in the original Philips patent on the cassette. I have always used this alignment jig in conjunction with another appliance called a "mirror cassette." Between the alignment jig and the mirror cassette, I have always been able to dial in head height -- and zenith -- to extraordinary precision. Azimuth, of course, is the easy alignment, that you can do in your sleep. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: > Hi, > > Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is > the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the > manual for that. > > Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment > if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from > elsewhere? > 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the > original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that > may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy > of the original. Thanks > > Peter > > ------------------------------ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > now. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 14:46:46 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:46:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes on ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54855470-4ECF-4AB3-98FA-3A2C4F9B4C46@gmail.com> You can buy it , or you can buy the Ebay Item. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=250582976043&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT With both Items one can do calibration. Both Items are not like the special Nakamichi 1kHz alignment tape, to set the outputs of both channels to minimum level. The Item made with maxell UDII is made with the better cassette. The Item from spain includes a tone CD. regards Am 22.02.2010 um 21:27 schrieb Norman van Wijnen: > Hi, > > Are there Naktalkers who has experience with the not original > testtapes we can order on ebay? > Is it a good buy? > > > http://cgi.ebay.nl/Set-of-Calibration-Alignment-Tapes-for-NAKAMICHI- > deck_W0QQitemZ280399440848QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2? > hash=item41491bebd0 > > Regards Norman > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Tue Feb 23 18:26:47 2010 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:26:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: <020301cab464$9e927c90$dbb775b0$@net> References: , <020301cab464$9e927c90$dbb775b0$@net> Message-ID: Thanks, I have those as well. I do need a 482 service manual though but it seems it's almost impossible to find. From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482 service manual Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:45:56 -0800 I have manuals for the 480 and 481 if you want them (Service manuals). From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:52 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual Hi, Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the manual for that. Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from elsewhere? 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy of the original. Thanks Peter Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Tue Feb 23 18:37:05 2010 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:37:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Well, that's great, Fred, but I don't have that jig. You showed it to me last December when I was in your shop in San Diego. I even wanted to buy it if I remember correctly but you wouldn't sell. I can see why. Thanks for the advice anyway. Peter Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:30:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482 service manual From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com When I do the head height adjustment (and I do hope you mean exactly that, sometimes people confuse height with other factors), I use an alignment jig that I purchased from Hitachi about thirty years ago. The jig is made of steel and looks much like a cassette, only it is less than half the thickness. There is a tiny block that fits on top of the alignment jig and is intended to fit through the tape guides on the heads. As you might expect, you adjust head height so that the block centers between the guides. Everything is machined to the specifications given in the original Philips patent on the cassette. I have always used this alignment jig in conjunction with another appliance called a "mirror cassette." Between the alignment jig and the mirror cassette, I have always been able to dial in head height -- and zenith -- to extraordinary precision. Azimuth, of course, is the easy alignment, that you can do in your sleep. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: Hi, Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the manual for that. Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from elsewhere? 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy of the original. Thanks Peter Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 19:27:36 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:27:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes on ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The quality of test tapes is entirely a function of the machine they were made on. I might email them or PM them, and ask. What you don't want are tapes that were copied on a Telex or similar from some master tape that was itself of quality. I have a box of test tapes in my service area that I guard carefully. If you approach the box with any kind of magnet on your person, expect to be handcuffed, chained in my dungeon for a week, and forced to listen to endless recordings of the Spice Girls on two-dollar headphones. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Norman van Wijnen < n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > Hi, > > Are there Naktalkers who has experience with the not original testtapes we > can order on ebay? > Is it a good buy? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.nl/Set-of-Calibration-Alignment-Tapes-for-NAKAMICHI-deck_W0QQitemZ280399440848QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item41491bebd0 > > Regards Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Feb 23 20:14:09 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:14:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92901002231114p6adfc5b9gc4a641fd7708e189@mail.gmail.com> Either the 400 Hz or the 1K tape will work. The Nakamichi track alignment tape was made on a machine with a special head aligned to record a tone exactly between the upper and lower tracks. You calibrate head height by searching for minimum signal output. I have a manual for a 482 and will try to get it scanned in the next week and ask Wouter to post it on the Wiki pages. Willy On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: > Hi, > > Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is > the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the > manual for that. > > Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment > if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from > elsewhere? > 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the > original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that > may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy > of the original. Thanks > > Peter > > ------------------------------ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > now. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Feb 23 20:18:05 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:18:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Belt kit In-Reply-To: References: <4b6f92901002222046r1d77b28m8a3b17d1dba6fc89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b6f92901002231118y25d4f6adnfc808427ecd0e8f3@mail.gmail.com> Yours is a case of mis-adjustment of the stop point. Check the service manual for the adjustment pot locations for the stop, play and cue points of that cam, then make the adjustments and the tape should eject on demand. I'll post on my website - www.willyhs.com - along with the other couple of fixes I have there but since I've already returned the 680ZX to the customer I'll have to wait for the next one I get with a broken eject lever -- or send me yours and I'll fix and photograph it. Willy On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Ramesh Rao wrote: > Hi Willy/ Tom Brucker / Shanthi Ramachandran > > Thanks for the immediate responses. > > Wily > > I understand your suggestion is very close to the problem I am facing. If > I rotate the Cam wheel by hand the cassette gets ejected easily and eject > lever operates. When I power ON eject lever gets stuck again. > > Pl let me know the website where in you will publish the solution. > > Thanks and regards > H Ramesh Rao > > > On 23 February 2010 10:16, Willy Hermann wrote: > >> Tom - that's instructions for a 480 not a 670/680 series. >> >> Mr Rao - >> >> With a little luck your eject mechanism is not working because the >> transport is in the locked position thinking that it is playing a tape. >> This is caused by a stretched cam belt which slips and won't bring the >> mechanism back to the stop point and/or a very sticky mechanism which needs >> to be cleaned and relubed. Unfortunately, when this happens frequently the >> user decides that "Rambo-ing" the the eject lever will solve the problem. >> It doesn't and snaps off the eject shaft on the back of the face plate >> creating a big problem. You first have to fix the sluggish mechanism so >> that the tape ejects. The lever will usually work even after the shaft is >> broken - it will just be very loose. Once that is fixed and the deck is >> working properly you have to fix the lever. I have recently repaired one of >> those in a way I am planning on posting on my web site. It's too lengthy to >> write here but there is a possible fix for it without having to buy a deck >> with a good face plate. >> >> Best of luck. >> >> Willy >> >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:36 PM, tom brucker wrote: >> >>> Mr. Rao, >>> After removing the top cover, look at the upper right corner of the >>> mechanism for the end of a slender cable attached to a nylon lever. The >>> brass bushing on this cable is secured beneath a nylon bar and pressure >>> screw, and you will easily find this bar and note the crack in it. The >>> repair is to secure the brass bushing in its proper place. Some repair this >>> with epoxy on the nylon, however if you search the Naks.com service >>> bulletins you will find instructions on devising a clamp using a common >>> screw, two nuts and two washers. >>> In rare cases the cable is properly clamped, but the eject lever >>> behind the front panel has broken. This L shaped lever may be epoxyed. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On >>> Behalf Of *Ramesh Rao >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 22, 2010 5:20 AM >>> *To:* Naktalk at naks.com >>> *Subject:* [naktalk] 670ZX Belt kit >>> >>> Hi Nak Friends, >>> >>> I own 670zx which requires Belt replacement as "Eject lever" is not >>> working. I procured the Factory Belt Kit from " Marrscommunications". Can >>> any one guide me how to replace the Belt for 670ZX? I stay in India. >>> >>> Thanking you in advance. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> H Ramesh Rao >>> +91 98860 55302 >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Regards > H Ramesh Rao > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Tue Feb 23 20:35:29 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:35:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fred has the Information Terminals M-100 gauge. This is the gauge Willy is trying to clone using CNC milling. Stay tuned. You might join the tiny Nakgauges.com list for specific info on gauges and tapes. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:37 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482 service manual Well, that's great, Fred, but I don't have that jig. You showed it to me last December when I was in your shop in San Diego. I even wanted to buy it if I remember correctly but you wouldn't sell. I can see why. Thanks for the advice anyway. Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:30:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482 service manual From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com When I do the head height adjustment (and I do hope you mean exactly that, sometimes people confuse height with other factors), I use an alignment jig that I purchased from Hitachi about thirty years ago. The jig is made of steel and looks much like a cassette, only it is less than half the thickness. There is a tiny block that fits on top of the alignment jig and is intended to fit through the tape guides on the heads. As you might expect, you adjust head height so that the block centers between the guides. Everything is machined to the specifications given in the original Philips patent on the cassette. I have always used this alignment jig in conjunction with another appliance called a "mirror cassette." Between the alignment jig and the mirror cassette, I have always been able to dial in head height -- and zenith -- to extraordinary precision. Azimuth, of course, is the easy alignment, that you can do in your sleep. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: Hi, Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the manual for that. Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from elsewhere? 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy of the original. 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 23 19:12:59 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:12:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes on ebay In-Reply-To: <2079.145.44.29.96.1266923477.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <692339.1541.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2079.145.44.29.96.1266923477.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: <653754.26641.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a set of orignal nakamichi cal tapes on eBay right now with a Nak T-100 audio analyzer.  It includes the very difficult to reproduce 1kHz track alignment tape. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-T-100-Audio-Analyzer-with-5-Calibration-Tapes_W0QQitemZ290402911674QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439d5cc5ba ________________________________ From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 3:11:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Calibration tapes on ebay Hi Bala, Great, then i will also order the set. The originals are so hard to find! Thanks, Regards Norman Op Di, 23 februari, 2010 3:01 am schreef Bala Ganesh Chandra: > Hi Norman, > > > These are from our fellow Naktalker Luis. The tapes are quite good and > the next best thing to the original tapes. A number of us are using his > tapes for referencing our equipment. > > Regards Bala > > > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > > From: Norman van Wijnen > Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes on ebay > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:27 AM > > > > > > > > Hi, >   > Are there Naktalkers who has experience with > the not original testtapes we can order on ebay? Is it a good buy?  >   >   > http://cgi.ebay.nl/Set-of-Calibration-Alignment-Tapes-for-NAKAMICHI-deck_W > 0QQitemZ280399440848QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item41 > 491bebd0 >   > Regards Norman > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========  >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------====== > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Feb 23 20:16:44 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:16:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <001201cab4bc$bc9a7190$35cf54b0$@utah.edu> Hmm If I remember right, Willy may have a machinist reproducing them. BTW: Tom Mageras and I would like to offer some 400Hz level, 15 KHz Azimuth, and 3 KHz speed wow & flutter tapes. These are FULL track tapes. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:37 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482 service manual Well, that's great, Fred, but I don't have that jig. You showed it to me last December when I was in your shop in San Diego. I even wanted to buy it if I remember correctly but you wouldn't sell. I can see why. Thanks for the advice anyway. Peter _____ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:30:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482 service manual From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com When I do the head height adjustment (and I do hope you mean exactly that, sometimes people confuse height with other factors), I use an alignment jig that I purchased from Hitachi about thirty years ago. The jig is made of steel and looks much like a cassette, only it is less than half the thickness. There is a tiny block that fits on top of the alignment jig and is intended to fit through the tape guides on the heads. As you might expect, you adjust head height so that the block centers between the guides. Everything is machined to the specifications given in the original Philips patent on the cassette. I have always used this alignment jig in conjunction with another appliance called a "mirror cassette." Between the alignment jig and the mirror cassette, I have always been able to dial in head height -- and zenith -- to extraordinary precision. Azimuth, of course, is the easy alignment, that you can do in your sleep. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: Hi, Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the manual for that. Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from elsewhere? 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy of the original. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 21:19:59 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:19:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66E30FE2-72BC-473A-9942-6F7BCA15A712@gmail.com> Can you make and post a photo from this hitachi tool.? thank you very much Am 23.02.2010 um 17:30 schrieb Fred Longworth: > When I do the head height adjustment (and I do hope you mean > exactly that, sometimes people confuse height with other factors), > I use an alignment jig that I purchased from Hitachi about thirty > years ago. > > The jig is made of steel and looks much like a cassette, only it is > less than half the thickness. There is a tiny block that fits on > top of the alignment jig and is intended to fit through the tape > guides on the heads. As you might expect, you adjust head height so > that the block centers between the guides. > > Everything is machined to the specifications given in the original > Philips patent on the cassette. I have always used this alignment > jig in conjunction with another appliance called a "mirror > cassette." Between the alignment jig and the mirror cassette, I > have always been able to dial in head height -- and zenith -- to > extraordinary precision. Azimuth, of course, is the easy alignment, > that you can do in your sleep. > > Best, > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Peter Tanner > wrote: > Hi, > > Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If > not, is the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the > 481? I have the manual for that. > > Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height > adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but > test tapes sourced from elsewhere? > 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same > as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" > recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is > supposed to be an identical copy of the original. Thanks > > Peter > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 07:08:13 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:08:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: <66E30FE2-72BC-473A-9942-6F7BCA15A712@gmail.com> References: <66E30FE2-72BC-473A-9942-6F7BCA15A712@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gerhard, I will take a pix of this, but may need to wait until Thursday to post. Please be patient. I should also say that this alignment jig is a most amazing tool. I have long believed it to be an exact copy of a jig Hitachi used on the production line. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com (who, along with his super-tech Jordan, has just completed restoration on a wonderful Marantz 1150 integrated amp -- the bag of parts now holds 101 items!) On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > Can you make and post a photo from this hitachi tool.? > > thank you very much > Am 23.02.2010 um 17:30 schrieb Fred Longworth: > > When I do the head height adjustment (and I do hope you mean exactly that, > sometimes people confuse height with other factors), I use an alignment jig > that I purchased from Hitachi about thirty years ago. > > The jig is made of steel and looks much like a cassette, only it is less > than half the thickness. There is a tiny block that fits on top of the > alignment jig *and is intended to fit through the tape guides on the > heads. *As you might expect, you adjust head height so that the block > centers between the guides. > > Everything is machined to the specifications given in the original Philips > patent on the cassette. I have always used this alignment jig in conjunction > with another appliance called a "mirror cassette." Between the alignment jig > and the mirror cassette, I have always been able to dial in head height -- > and zenith -- to extraordinary precision. Azimuth, of course, is the easy > alignment, that you can do in your sleep. > > Best, > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Feb 23 23:55:15 2010 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:55:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual References: , <020301cab464$9e927c90$dbb775b0$@net> Message-ID: Hi , the service manual for the 482Z (only the level meters are different from a normanl 482 as far as i know): http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482 service manual Thanks, I have those as well. I do need a 482 service manual though but it seems it's almost impossible to find. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482 service manual Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:45:56 -0800 I have manuals for the 480 and 481 if you want them (Service manuals). From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:52 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual Hi, Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the manual for that. Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from elsewhere? 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy of the original. Thanks Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Wed Feb 24 00:06:50 2010 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:06:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002231114p6adfc5b9gc4a641fd7708e189@mail.gmail.com> References: , <4b6f92901002231114p6adfc5b9gc4a641fd7708e189@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Willy, always helpful. While I'm at it a quick question. Both my 481Z and 482 need a Playback Level adjustment. I don't have the 482 manual as mentioned before but the 481 manual wants the VTVM connected to TP 101 and 201 respectively then it wants the VR 101 (201) adjusted to get a 100 MV on the meter. Clear enough except I'm unable to find that TP 101 (201) on the board. Any idea where it may be? On top of it it's a Z unit, probably with a different PCB layout. Thanks Peter Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:14:09 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482 service manual From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com Either the 400 Hz or the 1K tape will work. The Nakamichi track alignment tape was made on a machine with a special head aligned to record a tone exactly between the upper and lower tracks. You calibrate head height by searching for minimum signal output. I have a manual for a 482 and will try to get it scanned in the next week and ask Wouter to post it on the Wiki pages. Willy On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: Hi, Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the manual for that. Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from elsewhere? 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy of the original. Thanks Peter Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. 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However, in the Tandberg 3014A, I am seeing 315 Hz.used only for level, but the 15Khz. tone is used for record head azimuth adjustment along with the bias current adjustment. Nakamichi made their 15Khz alignment tapes for playback head azimuth adjustment. May I request the technically inclined here to explain why? and how all this works out? Thanks Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Wed Feb 24 12:42:27 2010 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:42:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: References: , , <020301cab464$9e927c90$dbb775b0$@net>, , Message-ID: Fine, but it doesn't want to download. At least not on my computer. Everything else does but not that 482Z manual on the wiki page. I've tried it before. Regards Peter From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482 service manual Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:55:15 +0100 Hi , the service manual for the 482Z (only the level meters are different from a normanl 482 as far as i know): http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482 service manual Thanks, I have those as well. I do need a 482 service manual though but it seems it's almost impossible to find. From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482 service manual Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:45:56 -0800 I have manuals for the 480 and 481 if you want them (Service manuals). From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:52 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual Hi, Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the manual for that. Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from elsewhere? 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy of the original. Thanks Peter Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. 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Just took a long time for some reason. Peter From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482 service manual Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:55:15 +0100 Hi , the service manual for the 482Z (only the level meters are different from a normanl 482 as far as i know): http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482 service manual Thanks, I have those as well. I do need a 482 service manual though but it seems it's almost impossible to find. From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482 service manual Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:45:56 -0800 I have manuals for the 480 and 481 if you want them (Service manuals). From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:52 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual Hi, Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the manual for that. Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test tapes sourced from elsewhere? 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz tape cannot be the same as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an "intratrack" recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other hand is supposed to be an identical copy of the original. Thanks Peter Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. 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URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Wed Feb 24 14:20:47 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:20:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 482 Service Manual In-Reply-To: <201002241123.o1OBEE4D009518@zxe.naks.com> References: <201002241123.o1OBEE4D009518@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <664056.4796.qm@web113716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Fred As Tom has said, your device is, in Nakamichi parlance, an Information Terminal. All of us Nakamichi Service organisations in Australia had to have one, and these were supplied to us by the Nakamichi distributor in Australia at the time - at considerable cost to us. Everything you've said about it is true - you can use it to adjust head height on any cassette deck that has a head height adjustment. But for ease of use, and repeatability of adjustment on Nakamichi transports, nothing comes close to Nakamichi's Track Alignment tape. Your Information Terminal is helping you do a physical track alignment - and I'm sure you can do this consistently to an accuracy of maybe 0.2mm or so - but a physical alignment is not necessarily the same as a magnetic alignment. The Track Alignment tape gives a sensitive null adjustment of the track alignment of the actual head gap and takes into account any difference between the physical and magnetic alignments. It's more accurate, and a lot quicker and easier to use. I can honestly say that I've used my Information Terminal about five times in several decades, and use a Track Alignment tape every time I adjust any Nakamichi that has a track adjustment. Regards John Gipps Message: 3 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:30:55 -0800 From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482 service manual To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When I do the head height adjustment (and I do hope you mean exactly that, sometimes people confuse height with other factors), I use an alignment jig that I purchased from Hitachi about thirty years ago. The jig is made of steel and looks much like a cassette, only it is less than half the thickness. There is a tiny block that fits on top of the alignment jig *and is intended to fit through the tape guides on the heads. *As you might expect, you adjust head height so that the block centers between the guides. Everything is machined to the specifications given in the original Philips patent on the cassette. I have always used this alignment jig in conjunction with another appliance called a "mirror cassette." Between the alignment jig and the mirror cassette, I have always been able to dial in head height -- and zenith -- to extraordinary precision. Azimuth, of course, is the easy alignment, that you can do in your sleep. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 16:42:48 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:42:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 400Hz. Vs 15Khz. Tones In-Reply-To: <389082.18134.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <389082.18134.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <600008.28699.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Remember that incorrect azimuth barely makes a difference at low frequencies, but can completely destroy the high frequencies. With a low frequency reference tape, the azimuth adjustment will be very insensitive and therefore, next to impossible to make accurately. -- Ron ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 8:45:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] 400Hz. Vs 15Khz. Tones Hi friends, I have seen Naks adjust azimuth( manual or auto/rec/playback heads) by using a 400Hz. tone built in the deck. Naks also use 15 Hz. tone for the bias adjustment ( auto or manual) in most decks. Never have I encountered any other frequency used for levels and bias, except in ZXL series decks. However, in the Tandberg 3014A, I am seeing 315 Hz.used only for level, but the 15Khz. tone is used for record head azimuth adjustment along with the bias current adjustment. Nakamichi made their 15Khz alignment tapes for playback head azimuth adjustment. May I request the technically inclined here to explain why? and how all this works out? Thanks Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Feb 24 14:55:14 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:55:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones Message-ID: <111434903-1267019717-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-38057328-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Nak does not use 400 for azimuth, it would be useless. It uses 15k on all the decks (or 12k) for max signal. On the Dragon it uses Phase Difference on the right channel only over a wide range of frequencies, but that requires a special 4 track 6 pole head. For level, both 315 and 400 are commonly used, makes no difference in the end. It is just used as an easy 0 dB reference level, while 15k is used as a valid bias sensitive -20 dB signal reference. Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Wed Feb 24 15:35:52 2010 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:35:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual In-Reply-To: References: , , <020301cab464$9e927c90$dbb775b0$@net>, , Message-ID: <3103.145.44.29.96.1267022152.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> mm , no problems here. I could mail it to your mailbox if your mailbox accept 9 mb? Regards Norman Op Wo, 24 februari, 2010 12:42 pm schreef Peter Tanner: > > Fine, but it doesn't want to download. At least not on my computer. > Everything else does but not that 482Z manual on the wiki page. I've > tried it before. > > > > Regards > > > > > Peter > > > > From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482 service manual > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:55:15 +0100 > > > > > > > Hi , > > > the service manual for the 482Z (only the level meters are different from > a normanl 482 as far as i know): > http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents > > > Regards Norman > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Tanner > To: naktalk naktalk > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:26 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482 service manual > > > Thanks, I have those as well. I do need a 482 service manual though but > it seems it's almost impossible to find. > > > > From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482 service manual > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:45:56 -0800 > > > > > > > > > I have manuals for the 480 and 481 if you want them (Service manuals). > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:52 PM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] 482 service manual > > > Hi, > > > Would anyone, by any chance , have a service manual for a 482? If not, is > the playback level adjustment the same as the one for the 481? I have the > manual for that. > > Also could anyone advice what's better for playback head height > adjustment if one doesn't have the original Nakamichi tapes but test > tapes sourced from elsewhere? 400 Hz or 1 khz? I am aware that the 1khz > tape cannot be the same as the original Nakamichi one as it is not an > "intratrack" recording whatever that may mean? The 400 hz on the other > hand is supposed to be an identical copy of the original. Thanks > > Peter > > > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > now. > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/========------------------ > ---------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 17:52:11 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:52:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 400Hz. Vs 15Khz. Tones In-Reply-To: <389082.18134.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <389082.18134.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The belief that maximizing signal output at 15kHz provides best azimuth is widely held. Allow me to rain on this parade. There is often an ever-so-slight difference between the azimuth alignment that maximizes phase coherence at 6.5kHz or so, and the alignment that provides maximum output at 15kHz. Which is more important sonically? The 6.5kHz phase coherence is more important because of imaging considerations. To understand the reason for this, one must delve into the science of psycho-acoustics. Imaging is determined by upper-midrange and lower-treble sonic information. By imaging, I mean of course the ability to "pull" the sounds of individual instruments out of a complex (stereo) field of sound, and the ability to assign physical points of origin for these instruments. Based on feedback from tens of thousands of audiophiles over many, many years, I have concluded that, in the search for high-fidelity, imaging trumps nearly all other factors. * * * * * Depending on your interpretation, this may, or may not, explain the difference between Nakamichi azimuth and bias protocols and those adopted by Tandberg. * * * * * Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:45 PM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi friends, > > I have seen Naks adjust azimuth( manual or auto/rec/playback heads) by > using a 400Hz. tone built in the deck. Naks also use 15 Hz. tone for the > bias adjustment ( auto or manual) in most decks. Never have I encountered > any other frequency used for levels and bias, except in ZXL series decks. > > However, in the Tandberg 3014A, I am seeing 315 Hz.used only for level, but > the 15Khz. tone is used for record head azimuth adjustment along with the > bias current adjustment. > > Nakamichi made their 15Khz alignment tapes for playback head azimuth > adjustment. > > May I request the technically inclined here to explain why? and how all > this works out? > > Thanks > Ram > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 18:15:49 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:15:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 482 Service Manual In-Reply-To: <664056.4796.qm@web113716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <201002241123.o1OBEE4D009518@zxe.naks.com> <664056.4796.qm@web113716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Understood, but it's really a multi-step process. Allow me to explain. As an all-brand cassette deck servicer since the 1970's, I have had to deal with many hundreds of tape heads that were ENORMOUSLY misaligned. This gross misalignment has been due to two common reasons: (1) the owner [or his tech] went inside with a screwdriver and radically misaligned the head(s); (2) the owner had a stuck tape and instead of reaching inside and rotating the control cam by hand to release the tape, he pried the tape out of the housing while the heads were in PLAY position. Why (to take a look at the first reason) do people radically misalign the heads? Because of a myth popular in the USA (and perhaps elsewhere) that most anything that is wrong with a cassette deck can be fixed by "aligning the heads". This includes (astonishingly) speed problems and eating tapes. So, I have seen a great many heads so misaligned that it practically boggled the mind. Use of the height alignment jig has been hugely helpful in getting the height dialed in to a first-order approximation. Once it is then dialed in with the jig, as best the jig can do, then I inspect tape run with a mirror cassette. Finally, I demagnetize and insert a series of alignment tapes to do the final alignment. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:20 AM, John Gipps wrote: > > Hi Fred > > As Tom has said, your device is, in Nakamichi parlance, an Information > Terminal. All of us Nakamichi Service organisations in Australia had to have > one, and these were supplied to us by the Nakamichi distributor in Australia > at the time - at considerable cost to us. > > Everything you've said about it is true - you can use it to adjust head > height on any cassette deck that has a head height adjustment. > > But for ease of use, and repeatability of adjustment on Nakamichi > transports, nothing comes close to Nakamichi's Track Alignment tape. Your > Information Terminal is helping you do a physical track alignment - and I'm > sure you can do this consistently to an accuracy of maybe 0.2mm or so - but > a physical alignment is not necessarily the same as a magnetic alignment. > > The Track Alignment tape gives a sensitive null adjustment of the track > alignment of the actual head gap and takes into account any difference > between the physical and magnetic alignments. It's more accurate, and a lot > quicker and easier to use. > > I can honestly say that I've used my Information Terminal about five times > in several decades, and use a Track Alignment tape every time I adjust any > Nakamichi that has a track adjustment. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:30:55 -0800 > From: Fred Longworth > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482 service manual > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > When I do the head height adjustment (and I do hope you mean exactly that, > sometimes people confuse height with other factors), I use an alignment jig > that I purchased from Hitachi about thirty years ago. > > The jig is made of steel and looks much like a cassette, only it is less > than half the thickness. There is a tiny block that fits on top of the > alignment jig *and is intended to fit through the tape guides on the heads. > *As you might expect, you adjust head height so that the block centers > between the guides. > > Everything is machined to the specifications given in the original Philips > patent on the cassette. I have always used this alignment jig in > conjunction > with another appliance called a "mirror cassette." Between the alignment > jig > and the mirror cassette, I have always been able to dial in head height -- > and zenith -- to extraordinary precision. Azimuth, of course, is the easy > alignment, that you can do in your sleep. > > Best, > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Feb 24 19:07:05 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:07:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones In-Reply-To: <111434903-1267019717-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-38057328-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <111434903-1267019717-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-38057328-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Perry, not quite correct. Most decks, including 1000ZXL, ZX7, ZX9, CR7,680ZX, and some more use 400Hz to align azimuth by zeroing phase difference before recording, some automatic, some manual. Best rgds,. LP El 24/02/2010, a las 14:55, perry.nak at comcast.net escribió: > Nak does not use 400 for azimuth, it > would be useless. It uses 15k on all the decks (or 12k) for max signal. On the > Dragon it uses Phase Difference on the right channel only over a wide range of > frequencies, but that requires a special 4 track 6 pole head. For level, both 315 and > 400 are commonly used, makes no difference in the end. It is just used as an > easy 0 dB reference level, while 15k is used as a valid bias sensitive -20 dB > signal reference. > Perry Esposito > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Wed Feb 24 17:18:40 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:18:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Door needed for a CR-7 series Message-ID: <003c01cab56d$07c4c840$174e58c0$@net> My children have "misplaced" the door for my CR-70. If anyone has, or knows of, a door or a parts machine going cheap, I am interested. TY! Bob Pierce Oh yeah, newbie to the forum here. Glad to find you, I have been a Nakamichi fan for decades. I grew up in Tokyo and have always had a Nak deck in my system. Someday I will have the money for a Nak Turntable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 24 20:38:56 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:38:56 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 600 II Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Tom - Thank you for the info. With rewind, nothing is happening. With rewind engaged, and spinning the TU reel by hand, nothing happens. The counter also stays at the '000' position. Perhaps any last thoughts on this? The 600 cover is listed on Ebay with the 600II (serial # A206.207 03597) shown. I'm downsizing my Nak gear (along with other audio equipment) and will probably have at lest one Nak item listed weekly for the next few months http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-600II-Cassette-Deck-Cover-600-Dust-Cover_W0QQitemZ150416657390QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item2305880bee From: hitech at birch.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 600 II Cassette Deck Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:21:10 -0600 Mark, Open the cassette holder. Put the deck in play. Do you see the silver pulley driving the take up reel? Now put the deck in FF and use your fingers to stall the reel. Memorize the torque (calibrate the fingers I like to say) Now try the same in rewind on the supply reel. You have to be fast because the auto stop activates (use your other hand to spin the TU reel. If the torque is low AND the silver pulley continues to turn, replace the reel table's rubber tire. If the pulley stalls, replace the capstan belt. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 600 II Cassette Deck I received my first 600 II. Upon purchase, play, rewind, and fast forward was not working. I got the deck up to snuff working and sounding good. One last problem - rewind still not working! Any suggestions would be appreciated. From: mark8559 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:05:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck I have a chance to buy a 600, a 600 II cassette deck, and a 600 series rack. Play, REW, and FF are not working on the 600's. Can someone please let me know what the non-working 600 decks and the 600 series rack is going for on Ebay (U.S. dollars). Please respond ASAP as I'm strongly considering buying. Thank you. 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Name: ATT00001 URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 21:20:07 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:20:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones In-Reply-To: <111434903-1267019717-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-38057328-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <838343.22779.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perry Do you know that 1000 ZXL auto azimuth tracking is done using 400Hz ? 680series/670 all use 400 Hz for record head azimuth adjustment. The way to do azimuth adjustment is different with 400Hz compared to 15 Khz kannan --- On Wed, 2/24/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 8:55 AM > Nak does not use 400 for azimuth, it > would be useless. It uses 15k on all the decks (or 12k) > for max signal. On the > Dragon it uses Phase Difference on the right channel only > over a wide range of > frequencies, but that requires a special 4 track 6 pole > head. For level, both 315 and > 400 are commonly used, makes no difference in the end. It > is just used as an > easy 0 dB reference level, while 15k is used as a > valid bias sensitive -20 dB > signal reference. > Perry Esposito > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 22:17:47 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:17:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones While calibrating! In-Reply-To: <111434903-1267019717-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-38057328-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <352324.68411.qm@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Friends, Perry is unfortunately wrong on this. Nakamichi DOES use 400Hz. ( never 315 Hz. or any other frequency) on their CR7,Dragon, ZXL series, ZXE series and all ZX series including the 600 series to the 682 decks. So also the ZX7/9 decks.The above is for Auto or manual record/playback head alignment prior to recordings( in Dragon/CR 7 prior to playabck also in addition to recordings) The 400 Hz is also later in the alignment process used for level calibration. The 15 KHz. internal frequency is used by theZXL, ZXE, 682ZX, Dragon, CR7, ZX7/9 decks to adjust and fine tune the bias during auto or manual calibration prior to recordings. The above two statements are true, I know very well for a fact. However, the Tandbergs use the 15 Khz. for the azimuth adjustment of the recording head to begin with instead of the 315HZ tone, which it uses for level adjustment only. the 15 Khz is also used for bias current adjustment later on in the processs of calibration. WHY THIS DIFFERENCE IS MY QUESTION? Please note that the laboratory bench record/playback head azimuth adjustment is done using the 15 Khz tone. I am not asking about this as I know and routinely use such tapes..... Please respond! Ram. --- On Wed, 2/24/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 8:55 AM Nak does not use 400 for azimuth, it would be useless. It uses 15k on all the decks (or 12k) for max signal. On the Dragon it uses Phase Difference on the right channel only over a wide range of frequencies, but that requires a special 4 track 6 pole head. For level, both 315 and 400 are commonly used, makes no difference in the end. It is just used as an easy 0 dB reference level,  while 15k is used as a valid bias sensitive -20 dB signal reference. Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The fascinating aspect of Nakamichi engineering is that they would introduce a feature, like manual record azimuth adjust, and then continue to improve it on subsequent models. 1000 Tri-tracer detected the peaks of a squared 15kHz recorded tone. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:20 PM To: perry.nak at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones Perry Do you know that 1000 ZXL auto azimuth tracking is done using 400Hz ? 680series/670 all use 400 Hz for record head azimuth adjustment. The way to do azimuth adjustment is different with 400Hz compared to 15 Khz kannan --- On Wed, 2/24/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 8:55 AM > Nak does not use 400 for azimuth, it > would be useless. It uses 15k on all the decks (or 12k) > for max signal. On the > Dragon it uses Phase Difference on the right channel only > over a wide range of > frequencies, but that requires a special 4 track 6 pole > head. For level, both 315 and > 400 are commonly used, makes no difference in the end. It > is just used as an > easy 0 dB reference level, while 15k is used as a > valid bias sensitive -20 dB > signal reference. > Perry Esposito > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Feb 24 22:49:00 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:49:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx display Message-ID: <000f01cab59b$2cbbbd60$86333820$@utah.edu> Could someone point me out a good source for caps to repair a 680zx with intermittent display issues? Thanks...Vic From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 25 04:22:39 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:22:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 400Hz. Vs 15Khz. Tones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <566915.50337.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Fred, You are right in that imaging (some call it soundstaging) is very important to audiophiles. As you know, a component needs to 'tick a number of boxes' before it can reproduce good imaging (otherwise we can't perceive that image). And Naks seem to do it very well. Regards Bala --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] 400Hz. Vs 15Khz. Tones To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 12:52 AM The belief that maximizing signal output at 15kHz provides best azimuth is widely held. Allow me to rain on this parade. There is often an ever-so-slight difference between the azimuth alignment that maximizes phase coherence at 6.5kHz or so, and the alignment that provides maximum output at 15kHz. Which is more important sonically? The 6.5kHz phase coherence is more important because of imaging considerations. To understand the reason for this, one must delve into the science of psycho-acoustics. Imaging is determined by upper-midrange and lower-treble sonic information. By imaging, I mean of course the ability to "pull" the sounds of individual instruments out of a complex (stereo) field of sound, and the ability to assign physical points of origin for these instruments. Based on feedback from tens of thousands of audiophiles over many, many years, I have concluded that, in the search for high-fidelity, imaging trumps nearly all other factors. * * * * * Depending on your interpretation, this may, or may not, explain the difference between Nakamichi azimuth and bias protocols and those adopted by Tandberg. * * * * * Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com ********** On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:45 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi friends, I have seen Naks adjust azimuth( manual or auto/rec/playback heads) by using a 400Hz. tone built in the deck. Naks also use 15 Hz. tone for the bias adjustment (  auto or manual) in most decks. Never have  I encountered any other frequency used for levels and bias, except in ZXL series decks. However, in the Tandberg 3014A, I am seeing 315 Hz.used only for level, but the 15Khz. tone is used for record head azimuth adjustment along with the bias current adjustment. 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My CR7A recently acted up after a recording session, the control lamps all lit up and the deck doesn't know what to do, this occurs at the end of the tape when it is going to autostop (it constantly goes into play and stop mode repetitiously). Somehow I tried to remove the cassette tape and the door was jammed and it took some disassembling of the front plate to take the tape out. Afterwards I tried another taping session and recorded on both sides however when it comes to the end of the tape, that is the time to autostop the deck acted up again and engaged in play mode and stop mode repeatedly and I was not able to control it since the rew/ff/play/pause button all lit up. I decided to give it a rest and after cooling down I was able to eject the tape. However I definitely sense that someting is wrong and I dare not to record with it and I noticed when power up the "ready" lamp still flashes and then constantly lit up and it would disappear after a while. My question therefore is this due to the blind spot in the control motor or someting else? Thank you. Rgds, Daniel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Feb 24 22:58:25 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:58:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k azimuth Message-ID: <1185857842-1267048704-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-952180964-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I stand corrected. I've none of the other decks. When observing a 400Hz signal and manually adjusting azimuth on an ordinary deck, there is very little change compared to 10kHz and up. How does it work? Perry Do you know that 1000 ZXL auto azimuth tracking is done using 400Hz ? 680series/670 all use 400 Hz for record head azimuth adjustment. The way to do azimuth adjustment is different with 400Hz compared to 15 Khz kannan Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Feb 24 23:08:21 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:08:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15kHz azimuth Message-ID: <47565315-1267049309-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-344744574-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Perry, not quite correct. Most decks, including 1000ZXL, ZX7, ZX9, CR7,680ZX, and some more use 400Hz to align azimuth by zeroing phase difference before recording, some automatic, some manual. Best rgds,. LP "I see" said the blind man. You are talking about aligning RH azimuth to the fixed PB head, correct? 400 Hz would of course be a much easier frequency to align to, then. Not necessarily the same thing as adjusting azimuth to maximum high frequency response then. I assume, if the PB head is out and high end compromised, then RH head is equally compromised, no? Perry Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 11:52:54 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:52:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx display In-Reply-To: <000f01cab59b$2cbbbd60$86333820$@utah.edu> References: <000f01cab59b$2cbbbd60$86333820$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Yes -- Mouser Electronics www.mouser.com Digi-Key www.digikey.com Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Could someone point me out a good source for caps to repair a 680zx with > intermittent display issues? > > Thanks...Vic > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Thu Feb 25 15:51:45 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:51:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k azimuth In-Reply-To: <1185857842-1267048704-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-952180964-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: See my earlier post. Nakamichi taught us NOT to use the oscilloscope Lissajous pattern when aligning the play head azimuth. To some extent this answers one of RAM's original questions "why 15kHz and not 20kHz?" At 15kHz even an ideal tape will skew as it travels over the play head. Slew is a side to side twisting and stretching that is dimensionally very small, but significant compared to one 15kHz wavelength. Skew produces phase shift between the channels so much so that determining the "best" in-phase Lissajous pattern (45 degree line in 1st and 3rd quadrants) is difficult. At 20kHz, the determination is impossible. At 10kHz, the DIN standard for azimuth alignment, it can be easily determined. Nakamichi training specified the use of a dual channel AC voltmeter, like the T-100, where the optimum azimuth is where the two channels both peak and are balanced in amplitude. Those of you with T-100s can relate to tiny changes in the azimuth screw peaking the left channel, then further the right channel, and having to choose between the two settings. The Dragon's auto azimuth circuits contain sophisticated filters that compare 5kHz (narrow band) phase to frequencies above 7kHz simultaneously to prevent aligning to a false maximum. In a sense the circuit does the same averaging or balancing the technician makes with the T-100, but at two frequency bands simultaneously. tom brucker PS. Correction: The 1000 and 700 tri tracers align record azimuth at 400 Hz, not 15kHz. I guess Nakamichi has stuck to that fundamental circuit over 20 years! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 3:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k azimuth I stand corrected. I've none of the other decks. When observing a 400Hz signal and manually adjusting azimuth on an ordinary deck, there is very little change compared to 10kHz and up. How does it work? Perry Do you know that 1000 ZXL auto azimuth tracking is done using 400Hz ? 680series/670 all use 400 Hz for record head azimuth adjustment. The way to do azimuth adjustment is different with 400Hz compared to 15 Khz kannan Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 25 14:16:44 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:16:44 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Do you Recall Who This Person Is? In-Reply-To: <751271.42818.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <751271.42818.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If memory serves, I believe he had some 235 cassette decks some nine years ago. He was selling a Dragon on Ebay showing three Dragons stacked on top of each other. Later on (I believe) he swayed away from Naktalk and was hard to contact. I thought he was a member. If he still is a member, please let us know Victor! Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:59:14 -0800 From: lenaw at flash.net To: Naktalk at naks.com CC: Subject: [naktalk] Do you Recall Who This Person Is? Take a look at this ebay item # 180472947904. I wonder whether this is one of our members: Victor Trifu. I don't see anybody has as many deck as him in this planet. Mike _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <7e5e2f881002242358k137f707eucb65f6dc46f2755a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <682367.83298.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> this happened to one of my mr-1s-not sure if they have the same control-cam motor or not. with power on, i gave the control-cam motor a good 'whack' with my forefinger-it put itself back into the proper alignment. then i turned off power and squirted a few squirts of deoxit into the slits in the back of said motor. turned it back on, worked the controls many times and it was good to go. that was 8 months ago-deck still running strong. some folks frown on this practice as they think it can damage the motor. they may be right. but i didn't have the $ to send it out for a proper cleaning/rebuild, whatever. other folks praise the procedure. their decks have been running ok for almost a year after, so far. YMMV --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Daniel Sun wrote: From: Daniel Sun Subject: [naktalk] CR7A control motor problem? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 11:58 PM Hi to all! My CR7A recently acted up after a recording session, the control lamps all lit up and the deck doesn't know what to do, this occurs at the end of the tape when it is going to autostop (it constantly goes into play and stop mode repetitiously). Somehow I tried to remove the cassette tape and the door was jammed and it took some disassembling of the front plate to take the tape out. Afterwards I tried another taping session and recorded on both sides however when it comes to the end of the tape, that is the time to autostop the deck acted up again and engaged in play mode and stop mode repeatedly and I was not able to control it since the rew/ff/play/pause button all lit up. I decided to give it a rest and after cooling down I was able to eject the tape. However I definitely sense that someting is wrong and I dare not to record with it and I noticed when power up the "ready" lamp still flashes and then constantly lit up and it would disappear after a while. My question therefore is this due to the blind spot in the control motor or someting else?   Thank you.   Rgds,   Daniel -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 25 16:43:29 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 07:43:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k azimuth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <784738.29455.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Then why does Tandberg use the 15Khz. for the user to set record head azimuth instead of the 315 Hz. which Tandberg uses only for the level adjustment. Thats my question. Please remember that the azimuth I am referring to is the user adjustable feature in the decks.....not the technicians head calibration procedure!( That I know uses the 15Khz cal tape and oscillator) My question of the procedural differences between the Naks and Tandbergs have not been answered here at all....yet! Willy, Jeff Galin( ESL) could you please fill in this technicality? Thanks Ram --- On Thu, 2/25/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k azimuth To: perry.nak at comcast.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 9:51 AM See my earlier post.   Nakamichi taught us NOT to use the oscilloscope Lissajous pattern when aligning the play head azimuth. To some extent this answers one of RAM's original questions "why 15kHz and not 20kHz?"   At 15kHz even an ideal tape will skew as it travels over the play head. Slew is a side to side twisting and stretching that is dimensionally very small, but significant compared to one 15kHz wavelength. Skew produces phase shift between the channels so much so that determining the "best" in-phase Lissajous pattern (45 degree line in 1st and 3rd quadrants) is difficult. At 20kHz, the determination is impossible. At 10kHz, the DIN standard for azimuth alignment, it can be easily determined. Nakamichi training specified the use of a dual channel AC voltmeter, like the T-100, where the optimum azimuth is where the two channels both peak and are balanced in amplitude. Those of you with T-100s can relate to tiny changes in the azimuth screw peaking the left channel, then further the right channel, and having to choose between the two settings.     The Dragon's auto azimuth circuits contain sophisticated filters that compare 5kHz (narrow band) phase to frequencies above 7kHz simultaneously to prevent aligning to a false maximum. In a sense the circuit does the same averaging or balancing  the technician makes with the T-100, but at two frequency bands simultaneously. tom brucker PS.   Correction: The 1000 and 700 tri tracers align record azimuth at 400 Hz, not 15kHz. I guess Nakamichi has stuck to that fundamental circuit over 20 years! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 3:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k azimuth I stand corrected. I've none of the other decks. When observing a 400Hz signal and manually adjusting azimuth on an ordinary deck, there is very little change compared to 10kHz and up. How does it work? Perry Do you know that 1000 ZXL auto azimuth tracking is done using 400Hz ? 680series/670 all use 400 Hz for record head azimuth adjustment. 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Feb 25 17:24:42 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:24:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Do you Recall Who This Person Is? In-Reply-To: References: <751271.42818.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01cab637$09ecc990$1dc65cb0$@utah.edu> Wow 235 decks? One could only dream. How would it be....... Vic Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] Do you Recall Who This Person Is? If memory serves, I believe he had some 235 cassette decks some nine years ago. He was selling a Dragon on Ebay showing three Dragons stacked on top of each other. Later on (I believe) he swayed away from Naktalk and was hard to contact. I thought he was a member. If he still is a member, please let us know Victor! _____ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:59:14 -0800 From: lenaw at flash.net To: Naktalk at naks.com CC: Subject: [naktalk] Do you Recall Who This Person Is? Take a look at this ebay item # 180472947904. I wonder whether this is one of our members: Victor Trifu. I don't see anybody has as many deck as him in this planet. Mike _____ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Feb 25 18:31:25 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:31:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A control motor problem? In-Reply-To: <7e5e2f881002242358k137f707eucb65f6dc46f2755a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e5e2f881002242358k137f707eucb65f6dc46f2755a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <775641.79664.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You can easily answer you own question. When the deck acts up, try to nudge the motor pulley and see if this clears the problem. (Note: there is very limited access to the motor pulley, it takes some ingenuity to do it). If so, it's worthwhile to remove the motor and rebuild it. (Some people reported success by merely squirting some contact cleaner into the motor rear, in the hope that it will seep in and get to the commutator.) Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Daniel Sun To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 2:58:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7A control motor problem? Hi to all! My CR7A recently acted up after a recording session, the control lamps all lit up and the deck doesn't know what to do, this occurs at the end of the tape when it is going to autostop (it constantly goes into play and stop mode repetitiously). Somehow I tried to remove the cassette tape and the door was jammed and it took some disassembling of the front plate to take the tape out. Afterwards I tried another taping session and recorded on both sides however when it comes to the end of the tape, that is the time to autostop the deck acted up again and engaged in play mode and stop mode repeatedly and I was not able to control it since the rew/ff/play/pause button all lit up. I decided to give it a rest and after cooling down I was able to eject the tape. However I definitely sense that someting is wrong and I dare not to record with it and I noticed when power up the "ready" lamp still flashes and then constantly lit up and it would disappear after a while. My question therefore is this due to the blind spot in the control motor or someting else? Thank you. Rgds, Daniel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Feb 25 18:35:57 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:35:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A control motor problem? In-Reply-To: <682367.83298.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <682367.83298.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <242680.47469.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yep, the MR-1 and CR-7 use the same transport. Squirting cleaner shouldn't damage the motor, but in my experience either works for a short while or doesn't work at all. Eight months is excellent, congratulations. -- Ron ________________________________ From: jay knickerbocker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 8:56:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A control motor problem? this happened to one of my mr-1s-not sure if they have the same control-cam motor or not. with power on, i gave the control-cam motor a good 'whack' with my forefinger-it put itself back into the proper alignment. then i turned off power and squirted a few squirts of deoxit into the slits in the back of said motor. turned it back on, worked the controls many times and it was good to go. that was 8 months ago-deck still running strong. some folks frown on this practice as they think it can damage the motor. they may be right. but i didn't have the $ to send it out for a proper cleaning/rebuild, whatever. other folks praise the procedure. their decks have been running ok for almost a year after, so far. YMMV --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Daniel Sun wrote: >From: Daniel Sun >Subject: [naktalk] CR7A control motor problem? >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 11:58 PM > > >Hi to all! My CR7A recently acted up after a recording session, the control lamps all lit up and the deck doesn't know what to do, this occurs at the end of the tape when it is going to autostop (it constantly goes into play and stop mode repetitiously). Somehow I tried to remove the cassette tape and the door was jammed and it took some disassembling of the front plate to take the tape out. Afterwards I tried another taping session and recorded on both sides however when it comes to the end of the tape, that is the time to autostop the deck acted up again and engaged in play mode and stop mode repeatedly and I was not able to control it since the rew/ff/play/pause button all lit up. > I decided to give it a rest and after cooling down I was able to eject the tape. However I definitely sense that someting is wrong and I dare not to record with it and I noticed when power up the "ready" lamp still flashes and then constantly lit up and it would disappear after a while. My question therefore is this due to the blind spot in the control motor or someting else? > >Thank you. > >Rgds, > >Daniel >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 19:12:33 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:12:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k azimuth In-Reply-To: <784738.29455.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <784738.29455.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The "popular" way to set azimuth is simply to peak the signal at 15kHz or similar. You will see this in service manual after service manual -- Pioneer, Kenwood, JVC, Technics, Sony, etc. For the non-sophisticated user with the middling-quality machine, this is probably good enough. As Tom pointed out, at 15kHz tape-travel considerations cause the signal to waver and bobble hugely. Despite this, hobbiests and technicians continue to peak the alignment at 15kHz or so. As I have mentioned elsewhere, psycho-acoustic considerations having to do with *imaging, coherence, and localization* dictate that best azimuth alignment is attained by using a test frequency of about 6.5kHz. One first peaks the signal amplitude, and then -- for the final tweak -- maximizes phase coherence. It is this 6.5kHz phase coherence that allows the listener to close his or her eyes and exactly point to where the oboe is positioned in an orchestral piece. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:43 AM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Then why does Tandberg use the 15Khz. for the user to set record head > azimuth instead of the 315 Hz. which Tandberg uses only for the level > adjustment. Thats my question. > > Please remember that the azimuth I am referring to is the user adjustable > feature in the decks.....not the technicians head calibration procedure!( > That I know uses the 15Khz cal tape and oscillator) > > My question of the procedural differences between the Naks and Tandbergs > have not been answered here at all....yet! > > Willy, Jeff Galin( ESL) could you please fill in this technicality? > > Thanks > Ram > > --- On *Thu, 2/25/10, tom brucker * wrote: > > > From: tom brucker > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k azimuth > To: perry.nak at comcast.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < > naktalk at naks.com> > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 9:51 AM > > > See my earlier post. > Nakamichi taught us NOT to use the oscilloscope Lissajous pattern when > aligning the play head azimuth. To some extent this answers one of RAM's > original questions "why 15kHz and not 20kHz?" > At 15kHz even an ideal tape will skew as it travels over the play head. > Slew is a side to side twisting and stretching that is dimensionally very > small, but significant compared to one 15kHz wavelength. Skew produces > phase > shift between the channels so much so that determining the "best" in-phase > Lissajous pattern (45 degree line in 1st and 3rd quadrants) is difficult. > At > 20kHz, the determination is impossible. At 10kHz, the DIN standard for > azimuth alignment, it can be easily determined. Nakamichi training > specified > the use of a dual channel AC voltmeter, like the T-100, where the optimum > azimuth is where the two channels both peak and are balanced in amplitude. > Those of you with T-100s can relate to tiny changes in the azimuth screw > peaking the left channel, then further the right channel, and having to > choose between the two settings. > The Dragon's auto azimuth circuits contain sophisticated filters that > compare 5kHz (narrow band) phase to frequencies above 7kHz simultaneously > to > prevent aligning to a false maximum. In a sense the circuit does the same > averaging or balancing the technician makes with the T-100, but at two > frequency bands simultaneously. > > tom brucker > > PS. Correction: > The 1000 and 700 tri tracers align record azimuth at 400 Hz, not 15kHz. I > guess Nakamichi has stuck to that fundamental circuit over 20 years! > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com > ]On > Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 3:58 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k azimuth > > > I stand corrected. I've none of the other > decks. When observing a 400Hz signal and manually adjusting azimuth on an > ordinary deck, there is very little change compared to 10kHz and up. How > does it work? > > Perry > Do you know that 1000 ZXL auto azimuth tracking is done using 400Hz ? > 680series/670 all use 400 Hz for record head azimuth adjustment. > The way to do azimuth adjustment is different with 400Hz compared to 15 Khz > kannan > > Perry Esposito > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 19:21:06 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:21:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A control motor problem? In-Reply-To: <682367.83298.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <7e5e2f881002242358k137f707eucb65f6dc46f2755a@mail.gmail.com> <682367.83298.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The correct service procedure for a control motor is to take it apart. Then -- (1) Polish [resurface] the commutator (2) Ream out the slots in the commutator to remove metal debris that has sloughed off the commutator service (3) Polish [resurface] the brushes (4) Slightly readjust [increase] the tension on the brushes (5) Clean and oil the thrust bearing (6) Clean and oil the shaft and bushing (7) Apply a thin coating of Caig DeoxIT D5 to commutator surfaces (8) Reassemble and test We have had a very high success rate (nearly 100%) using the above method both on control motors and spin motors. But the service must be done very carefully. Take your time. Work on a piece of cloth so that tiny parts don't get lost. Use good lighting. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:56 AM, jay knickerbocker wrote: > this happened to one of my mr-1s-not sure if they have the same control-cam > motor or not. > with power on, i gave the control-cam motor a good 'whack' with my > forefinger-it put itself back into the proper alignment. then i turned off > power and squirted a few squirts of deoxit into the slits in the back of > said motor. turned it back on, worked the controls many times and it was > good to go. that was 8 months ago-deck still running strong. > some folks frown on this practice as they think it can damage the motor. > they may be right. but i didn't have the $ to send it out for a proper > cleaning/rebuild, whatever. > other folks praise the procedure. their decks have been running ok for > almost a year after, so far. > > YMMV > > --- On *Wed, 2/24/10, Daniel Sun * wrote: > > > From: Daniel Sun > Subject: [naktalk] CR7A control motor problem? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 11:58 PM > > > Hi to all! My CR7A recently acted up after a recording session, the control > lamps all lit up and the deck doesn't know what to do, this occurs at the > end of the tape when it is going to autostop (it constantly goes into play > and stop mode repetitiously). Somehow I tried to remove the cassette tape > and the door was jammed and it took some disassembling of the front plate to > take the tape out. Afterwards I tried another taping session and recorded on > both sides however when it comes to the end of the tape, that is the time to > autostop the deck acted up again and engaged in play mode and stop mode > repeatedly and I was not able to control it since the rew/ff/play/pause > button all lit up. I decided to give it a rest and after cooling down I was > able to eject the tape. However I definitely sense that someting is wrong > and I dare not to record with it and I noticed when power up the "ready" > lamp still flashes and then constantly lit up and it would disappear after a > while. 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Feb 26 00:10:33 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:10:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones While calibrating! In-Reply-To: <352324.68411.qm@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <111434903-1267019717-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-38057328-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <352324.68411.qm@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b6f92901002251510n79a150d1ub779059023ebda95@mail.gmail.com> I'll try not to make any definite statements since I'm not 100% sure about the Tandberg but I think the Tandberg aligns azimuth for maximum gain whereas the Nakamichi auto-azimuth circuit looks for phase coherency between left and right channel at 400 Hz on the decks which have *record* head auto azimuth. The three light system on the ZX-7/9 uses the same system, just lighting lights rather than driving a motor. The Dragon adjusts* play* head azimuth on recording when you switch to 15kHz as you calibrate. It uses the same NAAC circuitry as in playback. As to why the difference from 400Hz to 315Hz, probably something as trivial as parts cost for the caps in the oscillator. I have always thought shooting for phase coherency was the best way to set up azimuth. If you use an oscilloscope set up in Lissajous configuration you can easily see when you have 15kHz in phase. You can also see the slight skewing of the cassette tape in the pattern - much more so at 15kHz than at lower frequencies. My guess is that's why Nak chose to perform record auto azimuth at 400Hz. At 15kHz the electronics would have a hard time holding the zero cross point long enough to trigger the end signal. Willy On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:17 PM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Friends, > > Perry is unfortunately wrong on this. > > Nakamichi DOES use 400Hz. ( never 315 Hz. or any other frequency) on their > CR7,Dragon, ZXL series, ZXE series and all ZX series including the 600 > series to the 682 decks. So also the ZX7/9 decks.The above is for Auto or > manual record/playback head alignment prior to recordings( in Dragon/CR 7 > prior to playabck also in addition to recordings) The 400 Hz is also later > in the alignment process used for level calibration. > > The 15 KHz. internal frequency is used by theZXL, ZXE, 682ZX, Dragon, CR7, > ZX7/9 decks to adjust and fine tune the bias during auto or manual > calibration prior to recordings. > > The above two statements are true, I know very well for a fact. > > However, the Tandbergs use the 15 Khz. for the azimuth adjustment of the > recording head to begin with instead of the 315HZ tone, which it uses for > level adjustment only. the 15 Khz is also used for bias current adjustment > later on in the processs of calibration. > > WHY THIS DIFFERENCE IS MY QUESTION? > > Please note that the laboratory bench record/playback head azimuth > adjustment is done using the 15 Khz tone. I am not asking about this as I > know and routinely use such tapes..... > > Please respond! > > Ram. > > > > --- On *Wed, 2/24/10, perry.nak at comcast.net *wrote: > > > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 8:55 AM > > Nak does not use 400 for azimuth, it > would be useless. It uses 15k on all the decks (or 12k) for max signal. On > the > Dragon it uses Phase Difference on the right channel only over a wide range > of > frequencies, but that requires a special 4 track 6 pole head. For level, > both 315 and > 400 are commonly used, makes no difference in the end. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 26 02:16:22 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:16:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones While calibrating! In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002251510n79a150d1ub779059023ebda95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <657035.66758.qm@web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Willy, So you are saying that the record head azimuth phase comparators work better( as in the record head azimuth Naks) in aligning the record heads than the 15 Khz( like in the Tanberg)? due to the inherent problems with skew etc with 15Khz tone. Makes sense. The Dragon then is using the 15Hz. tone for the NAAC during recording?? by splitting the right channel and comparing phase difference between the two split right channels? Seems like I am slowly but surely understanding this. Thanks Willy. You made the most sense in lay man's terms for me. Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones While calibrating! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 6:10 PM I'll try not to make any definite statements since I'm not 100% sure about the Tandberg but I think the Tandberg aligns azimuth for maximum gain whereas the Nakamichi auto-azimuth circuit looks for phase coherency between left and right channel at 400 Hz on the decks which have record head auto azimuth.  The three light system on the ZX-7/9 uses the same system, just lighting lights rather than driving a motor.  The Dragon adjusts play head azimuth on recording when you switch to 15kHz as you calibrate.  It uses the same NAAC circuitry as in playback.   As to why the difference from 400Hz to 315Hz, probably something as trivial as parts cost for the caps in the oscillator.   I have always thought shooting for phase coherency was the best way to set up azimuth.  If you use an oscilloscope set up in Lissajous configuration you can easily see when you have 15kHz in phase.  You can also see the slight skewing of the cassette tape in the pattern - much more so at 15kHz than at lower frequencies.  My guess is that's why Nak chose to perform record auto azimuth at 400Hz.  At 15kHz the electronics would have a hard time holding the zero cross point long enough to trigger the end signal. Willy On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:17 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: Friends, Perry is unfortunately wrong on this. Nakamichi DOES use 400Hz. ( never 315 Hz. or any other frequency) on their CR7,Dragon, ZXL series, ZXE series and all ZX series including the 600 series to the 682 decks. So also the ZX7/9 decks.The above is for Auto or manual record/playback head alignment prior to recordings( in Dragon/CR 7 prior to playabck also in addition to recordings) The 400 Hz is also later in the alignment process used for level calibration. The 15 KHz. internal frequency is used by theZXL, ZXE, 682ZX, Dragon, CR7, ZX7/9 decks to adjust and fine tune the bias during auto or manual calibration prior to recordings. The above two statements are true, I know very well for a fact. However, the Tandbergs use the 15 Khz. for the azimuth adjustment of the recording head to begin with instead of the 315HZ tone, which it uses for level adjustment only. the 15 Khz is also used for bias current adjustment later on in the processs of calibration. WHY THIS DIFFERENCE IS MY QUESTION? Please note that the laboratory bench record/playback head azimuth adjustment is done using the 15 Khz tone. I am not asking about this as I know and routinely use such tapes..... Please respond! Ram. --- On Wed, 2/24/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] 400 vs 15k tones To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 8:55 AM Nak does not use 400 for azimuth, it would be useless. It uses 15k on all the decks (or 12k) for max signal. On the Dragon it uses Phase Difference on the right channel only over a wide range of frequencies, but that requires a special 4 track 6 pole head. For level, both 315 and 400 are commonly used, makes no difference in the end. It is just used as an easy 0 dB reference level,  while 15k is used as a valid bias sensitive -20 dB signal reference. 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How would it be....... > > > > Vic > > > > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 > > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 > > > > > > > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Mark Exstedt > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: FW: [naktalk] Do you Recall Who This Person Is? > > > > If memory serves, I believe he had some 235 cassette decks some nine years > ago. > He was selling a Dragon on Ebay showing three Dragons stacked on top of each > other. > Later on (I believe) he swayed away from Naktalk and was hard to contact. > I thought he was a member. If he still is a member, please let us know > Victor! > > _____ > > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:59:14 -0800 > From: lenaw at flash.net > To: Naktalk at naks.com > CC: > Subject: [naktalk] Do you Recall Who This Person Is? > > > Take a look at this ebay item # 180472947904. I wonder whether this is one > of our members: Victor Trifu. I don't see anybody has as many deck as him in > this planet. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > _____ > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > now. > > From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Thu Feb 25 21:14:56 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:14:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Do you Recall Who This Person Is? In-Reply-To: <000f01cab637$09ecc990$1dc65cb0$@utah.edu> References: <751271.42818.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000f01cab637$09ecc990$1dc65cb0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <00a701cab657$342ffa90$9c8fefb0$@net> Good grief, I don't even have storage for that many decks, not to mention the time to keep them running. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:25 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Do you Recall Who This Person Is? Wow 235 decks? One could only dream. How would it be....... Vic Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] Do you Recall Who This Person Is? If memory serves, I believe he had some 235 cassette decks some nine years ago. He was selling a Dragon on Ebay showing three Dragons stacked on top of each other. Later on (I believe) he swayed away from Naktalk and was hard to contact. I thought he was a member. If he still is a member, please let us know Victor! _____ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:59:14 -0800 From: lenaw at flash.net To: Naktalk at naks.com CC: Subject: [naktalk] Do you Recall Who This Person Is? Take a look at this ebay item # 180472947904. I wonder whether this is one of our members: Victor Trifu. I don't see anybody has as many deck as him in this planet. Mike _____ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Thu Feb 25 21:16:47 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:16:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 door needed Message-ID: <00ac01cab657$75f15280$61d3f780$@net> My lovely offspring have "misplaced" the door to my CR-70. If anyone has a door for a CR series deck I would love to obtain it from you. I know there is a BX door on eBay, but I am not sure if it will fit. Bob (long time Nak lover, list noob) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dandhsun at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 00:28:24 2010 From: dandhsun at gmail.com (Daniel Sun) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:28:24 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A control motor problem? In-Reply-To: References: <7e5e2f881002242358k137f707eucb65f6dc46f2755a@mail.gmail.com> <682367.83298.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7e5e2f881002251528v976af7cgd50fbe46d7118aba@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to all the responses and will work on it. Rgds, Daniel On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:21 AM, Fred Longworth < classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > The correct service procedure for a control motor is to take it apart. Then > -- > > (1) Polish [resurface] the commutator > (2) Ream out the slots in the commutator to remove metal debris that has > sloughed off the commutator service > (3) Polish [resurface] the brushes > (4) Slightly readjust [increase] the tension on the brushes > (5) Clean and oil the thrust bearing > (6) Clean and oil the shaft and bushing > (7) Apply a thin coating of Caig DeoxIT D5 to commutator surfaces > (8) Reassemble and test > > We have had a very high success rate (nearly 100%) using the above method > both on control motors and spin motors. But the service must be done very > carefully. Take your time. Work on a piece of cloth so that tiny parts don't > get lost. Use good lighting. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:56 AM, jay knickerbocker < > westgateishere at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> this happened to one of my mr-1s-not sure if they have the same >> control-cam motor or not. >> with power on, i gave the control-cam motor a good 'whack' with my >> forefinger-it put itself back into the proper alignment. then i turned off >> power and squirted a few squirts of deoxit into the slits in the back of >> said motor. turned it back on, worked the controls many times and it was >> good to go. that was 8 months ago-deck still running strong. >> some folks frown on this practice as they think it can damage the motor. >> they may be right. but i didn't have the $ to send it out for a proper >> cleaning/rebuild, whatever. >> other folks praise the procedure. their decks have been running ok for >> almost a year after, so far. >> >> YMMV >> >> --- On *Wed, 2/24/10, Daniel Sun * wrote: >> >> >> From: Daniel Sun >> Subject: [naktalk] CR7A control motor problem? >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 11:58 PM >> >> >> Hi to all! My CR7A recently acted up after a recording session, the >> control lamps all lit up and the deck doesn't know what to do, this occurs >> at the end of the tape when it is going to autostop (it constantly goes into >> play and stop mode repetitiously). Somehow I tried to remove the cassette >> tape and the door was jammed and it took some disassembling of the front >> plate to take the tape out. Afterwards I tried another taping session and >> recorded on both sides however when it comes to the end of the tape, that is >> the time to autostop the deck acted up again and engaged in play mode and >> stop mode repeatedly and I was not able to control it since the >> rew/ff/play/pause button all lit up. I decided to give it a rest and after >> cooling down I was able to eject the tape. However I definitely sense that >> someting is wrong and I dare not to record with it and I noticed when power >> up the "ready" lamp still flashes and then constantly lit up and it would >> disappear after a while. My question therefore is this due to the blind spot >> in the control motor or someting else? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Rgds, >> >> Daniel >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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El 26/02/2010, a las 00:10, Willy Hermann escribió: > the Nakamichi auto-azimuth circuit looks for phase coherency between left and right channel at 400 Hz on the decks which have record head auto azimuth From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Feb 26 14:34:55 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:34:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 and Nak jigs Message-ID: Bob, the only door that fits on the CR7 is that of a CR5 (this has different inscription to a CR7 ,but it fits).None of the other CR  or BX series doors fit the CR7.   A 'parting out' CR5 is more rare than a CR7  ! It looks as the whole Naktalkdom was asleep this am-- a complete set of Nakamichi jigs was sold on 'buy now' on ebay!!!!The auction had been running for a couple of hours. Unfortunately us chaps living in Africa could not bid as it was restricted to the USA only--a bit expensive but complete --- the buyer must be keeping it under his pillow from now on! rgds walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:Bob Pierce  Sent:Thursday, February 25, 2010 22:16  To: naktalk at naks.com;  Subject:[naktalk] CR-7 door needed My lovely offspring have “misplaced” the door to my CR-70. If anyone has a door for a CR series deck I would love to obtain it from you. I know there is a BX door on eBay, but I am not sure if it will fit.   Bob (long time Nak lover, list noob) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 26 16:42:53 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:42:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NOW, FACTORY CAPSTAN BELTS FOR *ALL NAKAMICHI MODELS In-Reply-To: <4B86BAAA.5070300@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <392657.15475.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Welcome back to naktalk Fred. Great belts with out a doubt! Ram --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Fred Marrs wrote: From: Fred Marrs Subject: [naktalk] NOW, FACTORY CAPSTAN BELTS FOR *ALL NAKAMICHI MODELS To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 1:00 PM 2/25/10 Hope everyone is well ! Just a short note: Factory Capstan Belts are now available for ALL Nakamichi Models, ( except OCO 3668 and OCO 5333 ).  600 and 1000 etc. All Factory Capstan Belts and Factory Kits, can be found in my eBay Store. Thanks Much !  Fred  M. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Fri Feb 26 17:25:12 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:25:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak jigs Message-ID: <1663061809-1267201508-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-801968924-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I bought the jigs. They shall see a good home and use. His tapes, without the 1kHz Track DA09007B are too high, but tempting Perry Esposito. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From hitech at birch.net Fri Feb 26 17:47:51 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:47:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 and Nak jigs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Walter, What did the set sell for? Scott Johnson's T100 and tapes went for a very pretty penny! I hope a NakTalker was the buyer. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of wdrewes at iafrica.com Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:35 AM To: rpierce000 at centurytel.net; Naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 and Nak jigs Bob, the only door that fits on the CR7 is that of a CR5 (this has different inscription to a CR7 ,but it fits).None of the other CR or BX series doors fit the CR7. A 'parting out' CR5 is more rare than a CR7 ! It looks as the whole Naktalkdom was asleep this am-- a complete set of Nakamichi jigs was sold on 'buy now' on ebay!!!!The auction had been running for a couple of hours. Unfortunately us chaps living in Africa could not bid as it was restricted to the USA only--a bit expensive but complete --- the buyer must be keeping it under his pillow from now on! rgds walter ----- Original Message ------ From:Bob Pierce Sent:Thursday, February 25, 2010 22:16 To: naktalk at naks.com; Subject:[naktalk] CR-7 door needed My lovely offspring have “misplaced” the door to my CR-70. If anyone has a door for a CR series deck I would love to obtain it from you. I know there is a BX door on eBay, but I am not sure if it will fit. Bob (long time Nak lover, list noob) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Feb 26 18:56:43 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:56:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 and Nak jigs References: Message-ID: <55A969CE6CCD4BFEA3901CD971B88AE4@home> A fellow Naktalker is a buyer,so I am a bit loathe to disclose the price! Because I could not bid (as a South African being outside USA)) the seller kindly sold me a second set (withDA 9042 missing at also a fair price) If anybody has the DA9042-- I have a few others now in duplicate for exchange! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: tom brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 and Nak jigs Walter, What did the set sell for? Scott Johnson's T100 and tapes went for a very pretty penny! I hope a NakTalker was the buyer. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of wdrewes at iafrica.com Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:35 AM To: rpierce000 at centurytel.net; Naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 and Nak jigs Bob, the only door that fits on the CR7 is that of a CR5 (this has different inscription to a CR7 ,but it fits).None of the other CR or BX series doors fit the CR7. A 'parting out' CR5 is more rare than a CR7 ! It looks as the whole Naktalkdom was asleep this am-- a complete set of Nakamichi jigs was sold on 'buy now' on ebay!!!!The auction had been running for a couple of hours. Unfortunately us chaps living in Africa could not bid as it was restricted to the USA only--a bit expensive but complete --- the buyer must be keeping it under his pillow from now on! rgds walter ----- Original Message ------ From:Bob Pierce Sent:Thursday, February 25, 2010 22:16 To: naktalk at naks.com; Subject:[naktalk] CR-7 door needed My lovely offspring have “misplaced” the door to my CR-70. If anyone has a door for a CR series deck I would love to obtain it from you. I know there is a BX door on eBay, but I am not sure if it will fit. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 19:09:28 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:09:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] =?iso-8859-1?q?Test_Tapes_on__top_of_cassette_Decks=2E?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Don=B4t!!?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B9B0647-A371-4E1F-8428-133FECD9B27E@gmail.com> It did sell for 1336.- $, But it is not a good idea to give any cassette on top of cassette Decks or the T-100. seen on the photo of this Item. transformers and other parts inside the Decks can erase the tapes. the erase only a little, still very sad for azimuth test tapes. regards Am 26.02.2010 um 17:47 schrieb tom brucker: > Walter, > What did the set sell for? Scott Johnson's T100 and tapes went > for a very pretty penny! I hope a NakTalker was the buyer. > > tom brucker > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of wdrewes at iafrica.com > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:35 AM > To: rpierce000 at centurytel.net; Naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 and Nak jigs > > Bob, the only door that fits on the CR7 is that of a CR5 (this has > different inscription to a CR7 ,but it fits).None of the other CR > or BX series doors fit the CR7. A 'parting out' CR5 is more rare > than a CR7 ! > It looks as the whole Naktalkdom was asleep this am-- a complete > set of Nakamichi jigs was sold on 'buy now' on ebay!!!!The auction > had been running for a couple of hours. Unfortunately us chaps > living in Africa could not bid as it was restricted to the USA > only--a bit expensive but complete --- the buyer must be keeping it > under his pillow from now on! > rgds > walter > > ----- Original Message ------ > From:Bob Pierce > Sent:Thursday, February 25, 2010 22:16 > To: naktalk at naks.com; > Subject:[naktalk] CR-7 door needed > > My lovely offspring have “misplaced” the door to my CR-70. If > anyone has a door for a CR series deck I would love to obtain it > from you. I know there is a BX door on eBay, but I am not sure if > it will fit. > > Bob (long time Nak lover, list noob) > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Fri Feb 26 21:15:13 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:15:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak jigs Message-ID: <1105655315-1267215308-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1560106337-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Walter was referring to a complete set of 8 gauges that went for $650. The seller also has an auction listing for 9 Nak tapes, (7 cal tapes, a mirror cassette, and a torque cassette), with a BIN of $2000 . Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From perry.nak at comcast.net Fri Feb 26 21:20:03 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:20:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak jigs in duplication? Message-ID: <1715360189-1267215598-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-79993211-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Walter, What jigs do you available? Perry Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From dima at rogers.com Fri Feb 26 21:38:06 2010 From: dima at rogers.com (dima) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:38:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? Message-ID: <1564118141.20100226153806@rogers.com> Hi everybody, My first post here, with a question: is it possible/easy to convert a European model Dragon (220-240v/50Hz) to North American voltage (110v/60Hz)? Thank you! -- Cheers, Dmitry. Nak 680ZX, 600 ("project"). From tonyb215033 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 26 22:31:09 2010 From: tonyb215033 at hotmail.com (Anthony Brown) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:31:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NOW, FACTORY CAPSTAN BELTS FOR *ALL NAKAMICHI MODELS In-Reply-To: <4B86BAAA.5070300@marrscom.com> References: <4B86BAAA.5070300@marrscom.com> Message-ID: Hi Fred, I got your factory belt last tuesday, put it in the BX-100, and what a difference. No audible wow & flutter, and was able to adjust the capstan motor to within 1 Hz. using a 400 Hz test tape and a Digtal mutimeter. Thanks for the new belt. This is the fourth deck I bought belts from you for. Every thing I bought so far worked great except the premium belt I got from you for the BX-100. If you want I can send that belt back to you, so you can check it for yourself, but it's nothing like your factory belts. I would like to talk to you about your tires for the sankyo transport. I am a maintence machinist by trade, so I know a little about these things. I am having problems with what seems like the tires is slipping on the rim in the reel drive. When I bought the factory kits for my two BX-300 's, the tires you had back then were superior in that they just seemed a better fit and the material seemed more spongy than the I got in the BX-100 premium belt kit I recently bought. I also noticed the the sides of the tires where more slick and hard, though I never took any measurements of the tires at the time. I Just wanted to get your thoughts on the constant tire problem, I and everybody else seems to be having problems with these darn things. You think that maybe I should glue it with some kind of glue . maybe silicone. Maybe they are using dull tooling when the tires are being machined, which would leave the tire real slick on the sides, almost as if melting it's way thru the material, instead of cutting it's way thru. Hardened tool steel will sharpen to a sharper point than carbide leaving a side surface of virgin like rubber. Also it would hold size better making a better fit on the rim. All well, that's my two cent's worth. Thanks, tonyb. tonyb215033 at hotmail.com Anthony Brown 155 S. 400 E. Apt #11 Salt Lake City, UT 84111 801-596-2406 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:00:10 -0600 From: fred at marrscom.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NOW, FACTORY CAPSTAN BELTS FOR *ALL NAKAMICHI MODELS 2/25/10 Hope everyone is well ! Just a short note: Factory Capstan Belts are now available for ALL Nakamichi Models, ( except OCO 3668 and OCO 5333 ). 600 and 1000 etc. All Factory Capstan Belts and Factory Kits, can be found in my eBay Store. Thanks Much ! Fred M. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 27 00:31:27 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:31:27 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thank you Tom for your comments. I bought an entire System One yesterday which included a black 600II cassette deck, manuals, and brochure. Also bought three additional 600 decks. Therefor I presently have: One 600II (silver) Two 600II (black) Two 600 (black) That's right, a total of five 600's cassette decks! The 620 amp sure is something. Listening to the Rolling Stones Beggar's Banquet & Let it Bleed albums via the BX-300, I perhaps never understood Mick Jagger's vocals better. Happy I sold the Adcom GFA-545 II amp last month, but still have the GFA-535 and the Nakamichi 420 amp. The previous owner mentioned the 'hard to find' 600 rack sold for $300 on Ebay years ago. From: hitech at birch.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:13:48 -0600 The FF and RW can be caused by a stretched capstan belt or hardened reel table tires. The most critical part is the play idler clutch. If it is the original white nylon type the bearing wear will cause flutter. The replacement is metal bodied. Most of the 600 racks are filled with an entire stereo (System One) and go for about $1000 tops. The rack by itself ??? Of the System One components the 620 amp has the highest value, followed by the 610 mixer/preamp. 600 decks usually auction for less than $90. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck I have a chance to buy a 600, a 600 II cassette deck, and a 600 series rack. Play, REW, and FF are not working on the 600's. Can someone please let me know what the non-working 600 decks and the 600 series rack is going for on Ebay (U.S. dollars). Please respond ASAP as I'm strongly considering buying. Thank you. Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Feb 27 05:44:49 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:44:49 +0200 Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_=5Bnaktalk=5D_Test_Tapes_on__top_of_cassette_Decks?= =?Windows-1252?Q?._Don=B4t!!?= References: <3B9B0647-A371-4E1F-8428-133FECD9B27E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15E1B0EB9ED1471C8D1C6A8FE02396D8@home> No, that is not for the jigs.For the jig sale no T100 was involved. That stuff on top of the T100 are tapes not jigs.I think most people missed the whole jig sale. The seller of the jigs also has a T100 plus adjustment tapes for sale on ebay tapes. walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerhard Wartha To: hitech at birch.net ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Test Tapes on top of cassette Decks. Don´t!! It did sell for 1336.- $, But it is not a good idea to give any cassette on top of cassette Decks or the T-100. seen on the photo of this Item. transformers and other parts inside the Decks can erase the tapes. the erase only a little, still very sad for azimuth test tapes. regards Am 26.02.2010 um 17:47 schrieb tom brucker: Walter, What did the set sell for? Scott Johnson's T100 and tapes went for a very pretty penny! I hope a NakTalker was the buyer. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of wdrewes at iafrica.com Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:35 AM To: rpierce000 at centurytel.net; Naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 and Nak jigs Bob, the only door that fits on the CR7 is that of a CR5 (this has different inscription to a CR7 ,but it fits).None of the other CR or BX series doors fit the CR7. A 'parting out' CR5 is more rare than a CR7 ! It looks as the whole Naktalkdom was asleep this am-- a complete set of Nakamichi jigs was sold on 'buy now' on ebay!!!!The auction had been running for a couple of hours. Unfortunately us chaps living in Africa could not bid as it was restricted to the USA only--a bit expensive but complete --- the buyer must be keeping it under his pillow from now on! rgds walter ----- Original Message ------ From:Bob Pierce Sent:Thursday, February 25, 2010 22:16 To: naktalk at naks.com; Subject:[naktalk] CR-7 door needed My lovely offspring have “misplaced” the door to my CR-70. If anyone has a door for a CR series deck I would love to obtain it from you. I know there is a BX door on eBay, but I am not sure if it will fit. Bob (long time Nak lover, list noob) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Http://naks.es Enviado desde mi iPhone El 26/02/2010, a las 21:38, dima escribió: > Hi everybody, > > My first post here, with a question: is it possible/easy to convert a > European model Dragon (220-240v/50Hz) to North American voltage > (110v/60Hz)? > > Thank you! > > -- > Cheers, > Dmitry. > Nak 680ZX, 600 ("project"). > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From westgateishere at yahoo.com Sat Feb 27 05:58:05 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:58:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: FW: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <79932.10984.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> drool! --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: FW: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 3:31 PM Thank you Tom for your comments. I bought an entire System One yesterday which included a black 600II cassette deck, manuals, and brochure. Also bought three additional 600 decks. Therefor I presently have: One 600II (silver) Two 600II (black) Two 600 (black) That's right, a total of five 600's cassette decks! The 620 amp sure is something. Listening to the Rolling Stones Beggar's Banquet & Let it Bleed albums via the BX-300, I perhaps never understood Mick Jagger's vocals better. Happy I sold the Adcom GFA-545 II amp last month, but still have the GFA-535 and the Nakamichi 420 amp. The previous owner mentioned the 'hard to find' 600 rack sold for $300 on Ebay years ago. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmcmanus at cox.net Sat Feb 27 07:31:21 2010 From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 1:31:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 transport problem Message-ID: <20100227013121.UWN1V.569149.imail@eastrmwml42> Hi guys, just acquired a 680 from ebay. This deck appears to be in great shape,except for some transport issues. When play is selected I get a kind of screech/sqweel as the transport engages and plays the tape. If I select fast forward I get a very slow fast forward,If I select rewind it contiues to fast forward only. The noise is not from the idler tire,more towards the area low and front center of the deck. Any ideas??? Thanks Steve From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 27 10:36:25 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:36:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680 transport problem In-Reply-To: <20100227013121.UWN1V.569149.imail@eastrmwml42> References: <20100227013121.UWN1V.569149.imail@eastrmwml42> Message-ID: <9A796BA8-675A-40F5-AD27-3E34C4869422@peromarta.org> I have some ideas. First you need full mech restoration, including all rubbers, belts, tyre, etc. cleaning, lubbing, demag. Then, Elimination of Squeaking Noise download Best rgds, LP. http://naks.es El 27/02/2010, a las 07:31, escribió: > Hi guys, just acquired a 680 from ebay. This deck appears to be in great shape,except for some transport issues. When play is selected I get a kind of screech/sqweel as the transport engages and plays the tape. If I select fast forward I get a very slow fast forward,If I select rewind it contiues to fast forward only. The noise is not from the idler tire,more towards the area low and front center of the deck. Any ideas??? Thanks Steve > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 27 17:12:36 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:12:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Direct drive motors of BX-300 and "Cassette Deck 1" In-Reply-To: <316325.13917.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59999.17698.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, The differences in wow/flutter numbers would most certainly be due to the BX being a direct drive unit( right capstan is the direct extension of the motor's shaft) whereas the DECK 1 is a belt driven system. The capstans are connected via a pulley on the drive motor and thence via a flywheel thus driving the capstans. Any direct drive system will theoretically have better wow/flutter numbers( less) than any belt driven system. Ram --- On Fri, 2/26/10, fymido lenito wrote: From: fymido lenito Subject: [naktalk] Direct drive motors of BX-300 and "Cassette Deck 1" To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 4:53 PM They seem to operate the same way (motor directly driving the take-up side, belt to supply side). But the specs has: BX-300: FG Servo Brushless, Slotless, Coreless DD Motor Cassette Deck 1: DC Servo motor Can anyone explain the difference between these two? Considering that the rest of the transport seems to be the same for bothe machines, does the motor contribute to the Wow/Flutter differences (Bx-300 superior on paper)? BX-300: Less than 0.048% at peak; less than 0.027 at RMS Cassette Deck 1: Less than 0.06% at peak; less than 0.035% at RMS Thanks in advance. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Feb 27 17:57:51 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:57:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680 transport problem In-Reply-To: <20100227013121.UWN1V.569149.imail@eastrmwml42> References: <20100227013121.UWN1V.569149.imail@eastrmwml42> Message-ID: <4b6f92901002270857o493cf1cdi6c54068b0d07682e@mail.gmail.com> Try changing the loading belt and lubing the shaft of the white plastic gear the loading belt drives. Willy On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:31 PM, wrote: > Hi guys, just acquired a 680 from ebay. This deck appears to be in great > shape,except for some transport issues. When play is selected I get a kind > of screech/sqweel as the transport engages and plays the tape. If I select > fast forward I get a very slow fast forward,If I select rewind it contiues > to fast forward only. The noise is not from the idler tire,more towards the > area low and front center of the deck. Any ideas??? Thanks Steve > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Sat Feb 27 10:19:56 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:19:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? In-Reply-To: References: <1564118141.20100226153806@rogers.com> Message-ID: <019601cab78e$08090b90$181b22b0$@net> The simplest thing to do, which I am doing on a European component as I type, is to buy a transformer. eBay has plenty and a deck will not need a big one. I would guess you are under $50 for a good 500W model. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:08 PM To: dima; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? If you deck is only 220v you need a step down transformer. Or you can wait until I make a toroidal replacement for it, just like I did for the 1000zxl. Rgds. Lp. Http://naks.es Enviado desde mi iPhone El 26/02/2010, a las 21:38, dima escribió: > Hi everybody, > > My first post here, with a question: is it possible/easy to convert a > European model Dragon (220-240v/50Hz) to North American voltage > (110v/60Hz)? > > Thank you! > > -- > Cheers, > Dmitry. > Nak 680ZX, 600 ("project"). > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sat Feb 27 13:50:24 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:50:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Direct drive motors of BX-300 and "Cassette Deck 1" References: <316325.13917.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They both have the Sankyo mechanism wich comes in three versions. The Bx-300 is direct drive and CD1 is belt drive. The BX-300 direct drive mechanism can also be found in CR-4 (and NAD 6300). The second version is the direct drive mechanism used for the CR-7. And last we have the belt drive version , singel or dual capstan , that is fitted in the rest of the CR , BX , CD and DR family. Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: fymido lenito To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Direct drive motors of BX-300 and "Cassette Deck 1" They seem to operate the same way (motor directly driving the take-up side, belt to supply side). But the specs has: BX-300: FG Servo Brushless, Slotless, Coreless DD Motor Cassette Deck 1: DC Servo motor Can anyone explain the difference between these two? Considering that the rest of the transport seems to be the same for bothe machines, does the motor contribute to the Wow/Flutter differences (Bx-300 superior on paper)? BX-300: Less than 0.048% at peak; less than 0.027 at RMS Cassette Deck 1: Less than 0.06% at peak; less than 0.035% at RMS Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dima at rogers.com Sat Feb 27 14:45:20 2010 From: dima at rogers.com (dima) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? In-Reply-To: <019601cab78e$08090b90$181b22b0$@net> References: <1564118141.20100226153806@rogers.com> <019601cab78e$08090b90$181b22b0$@net> Message-ID: <1433056659.20100227084520@rogers.com> Hi, thanks for the replies. Regarding a transformer - yes, this is a good idea, but I was wondering - could there be something in the deck that depends on the frequency too (50Hz vs 60Hz)? Thanks again. Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:19:56 AM, you wrote: > The simplest thing to do, which I am doing on a European component > as I type, is to buy a transformer. eBay has plenty and a deck will > not need a big one. I would guess you are under $50 for a good 500W model. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:08 PM > To: dima; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? > If you deck is only 220v you need a step down transformer. > Or you can wait until I make a toroidal replacement for it, just like > I did for the 1000zxl. > Rgds. Lp. > Http://naks.es > Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 26/02/2010, a las 21:38, dima escribio: >> Hi everybody, >> >> My first post here, with a question: is it possible/easy to convert a >> European model Dragon (220-240v/50Hz) to North American voltage >> (110v/60Hz)? >> >> Thank you! >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Dmitry. >> Nak 680ZX, 600 ("project"). >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Cheers, Dmitry. From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sat Feb 27 16:55:07 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Microphone Message-ID: <1726717131.9523371267286107748.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello,             Does anyone have any recommendations for a Microphone to use with a Professional Sony WM-D6C Walkman??  I use this hand in hand with my Nakamichi RX-505, and both are biased for TDK-SA Tapes, of which I have still boxes of, unused. I bought a nice lot at the right time, offf the right guy. Anyway, the compatability between decks is excellent. I sent the Sony WM-D6c out to an expert, to have it fully serviced and brought to better thqan Specs. And it is an amazing little portable. However, I never really used it for Microphone recording, outdoors, etc.... I see that the Sony ECM-909A was a recommended Mic. for the unit. It is an Electret Condender Mic. It says that the Sony WM-D6C can actually power the 909A Mic, even though it has a battery compartment. I see that a few Sony ECM Microphones have been mentioned, and they all seem to have a 1/8 inch Headphone style jack on the end of Mic cord, to match the unit's Mic input.               Does anyone know of any Mic's from other manufacturers that would work, very well, and fit the headphone style jack input?? Id like using it for some recording of Nature Sounds, and who knows, maybe some concerts.....the ECM 909A, and other Sony ECM's that I have mentioned are Stereo Microphones.  I didn't want to spend a fortune, something afordable....these Sony's can be had in the $100.00 or below range, and have reported very good results, for the things I mention trying to use it for.  Thank You, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had it "repaired" about ten years ago, a motor issue, a local service got it running but it stopped again six months later. ....... Last December I thought I would try to get it going again, I discovered Naktalk and figured I might as well try to fix it. Sure enough, a few squirts of Deoxit did the trick. So I have been bit by the Nak bug!!! Thanks to ebay, now I have a decent looking, performing 680ZX, and I must say it is a different animal entirely, built like a tank. It records very well and playback is perfect. When I checked out some of my old tapes, I noticed it sounding slow, so I adjusted it up to speed. Great, sounds right to me. I found that the cassette door was chafing a little against the door frame, I thought I could make the action a little smoother by pushing the door to the right a bit. I heard a faint click, oh oh, not good. Now the pneumatic eject action is gone, I still can eject by pulling the door out manually, but that s**ks. I can't see anything broken, it is a tight space, don't see what is wrong with the mechanism. I'm sure somebody here has some idea? Thank you, Paul ps: I do have a service manual _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cap_sul at hotmail.com Sat Feb 27 18:45:55 2010 From: cap_sul at hotmail.com (Paul M) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:45:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX eject problem Message-ID: From: cap_sul at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: 680ZX eject problem Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:09:20 -0800 Hello everyone, I am rather new to Naktalk, this is my first message, I hope this works! First of all I must admit that I have been scouring the lists for a few months, and I am blown away by the great wealth of info the members have collected here. This community is truly amazing. My first Nak is a CR-3A, bought used in the early 90's, it has served me well until it stopped, literally. I had it "repaired" about ten years ago, a motor issue, a local service got it running but it stopped again six months later. ....... Last December I thought I would try to get it going again, I discovered Naktalk and figured I might as well try to fix it. Sure enough, a few squirts of Deoxit did the trick. So I have been bit by the Nak bug!!! Thanks to ebay, now I have a decent looking, performing 680ZX, and I must say it is a different animal entirely, built like a tank. It records very well and playback is perfect. When I checked out some of my old tapes, I noticed it sounding slow, so I adjusted it up to speed. Great, sounds right to me. I found that the cassette door was chafing a little against the door frame, I thought I could make the action a little smoother by pushing the door to the right a bit. I heard a faint click, oh oh, not good. Now the pneumatic eject action is gone, I still can eject by pulling the door out manually, but that s**ks. I can't see anything broken, it is a tight space, don't see what is wrong with the mechanism. I'm sure somebody here has some idea? Thank you, Paul ps: I do have a service manual Not using Hotmail on your phone? Why not? Get it now. _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Windows® phone. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9708122 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 27 21:08:07 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:08:07 +0100 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? In-Reply-To: <1433056659.20100227084520@rogers.com> References: <1564118141.20100226153806@rogers.com> <019601cab78e$08090b90$181b22b0$@net> <1433056659.20100227084520@rogers.com> Message-ID: <36B3E69C-C47F-460D-8996-26D89290175E@peromarta.org> No Enviado desde mi iPhone El 27/02/2010, a las 14:45, dima escribió: > Hi, thanks for the replies. > > Regarding a transformer - yes, this is a good idea, but I was > wondering - could there be something in the deck that depends on the > frequency too (50Hz vs 60Hz)? Thanks again. > > Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:19:56 AM, you wrote: > >> The simplest thing to do, which I am doing on a European component >> as I type, is to buy a transformer. eBay has plenty and a deck will >> not need a big one. I would guess you are under $50 for a good 500W >> model. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:08 PM >> To: dima; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Cc: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? > >> If you deck is only 220v you need a step down transformer. > >> Or you can wait until I make a toroidal replacement for it, just like >> I did for the 1000zxl. > >> Rgds. Lp. > >> Http://naks.es > >> Enviado desde mi iPhone > >> El 26/02/2010, a las 21:38, dima escribio: > >>> Hi everybody, >>> >>> My first post here, with a question: is it possible/easy to >>> convert a >>> European model Dragon (220-240v/50Hz) to North American voltage >>> (110v/60Hz)? >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> Dmitry. >>> Nak 680ZX, 600 ("project"). >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > > -- > Cheers, > Dmitry. > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Feb 27 23:41:20 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:41:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Bulk] RE: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? In-Reply-To: <1433056659.20100227084520@rogers.com> References: <1564118141.20100226153806@rogers.com> <019601cab78e$08090b90$181b22b0$@net> <1433056659.20100227084520@rogers.com> Message-ID: <857902.45333.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The deck doesn't care about line frequency. -- Ron ________________________________ From: dima To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 8:45:20 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? Hi, thanks for the replies. Regarding a transformer - yes, this is a good idea, but I was wondering - could there be something in the deck that depends on the frequency too (50Hz vs 60Hz)? Thanks again. Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:19:56 AM, you wrote: > The simplest thing to do, which I am doing on a European component > as I type, is to buy a transformer. eBay has plenty and a deck will > not need a big one. I would guess you are under $50 for a good 500W model. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:08 PM > To: dima; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? > If you deck is only 220v you need a step down transformer. > Or you can wait until I make a toroidal replacement for it, just like > I did for the 1000zxl. > Rgds. Lp. > Http://naks.es > Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 26/02/2010, a las 21:38, dima escribio: >> Hi everybody, >> >> My first post here, with a question: is it possible/easy to convert a >> European model Dragon (220-240v/50Hz) to North American voltage >> (110v/60Hz)? >> >> Thank you! >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Dmitry. >> Nak 680ZX, 600 ("project"). >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Cheers, Dmitry. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 23:44:48 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:44:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Microphone In-Reply-To: <1726717131.9523371267286107748.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1726717131.9523371267286107748.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Whether you use Sony's electret condenser mic or whether you buy another brand, I strongly recommend electret condenser mics. For a time, Nakamichi made quality mics (back in the late-seventies or early eighties, as I recall). These may still be available on the second-hand market. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:55 AM, wrote: > > Hello, > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a Microphone to use > with a Professional Sony WM-D6C Walkman?? I use this hand in hand with my > Nakamichi RX-505, and both are biased for TDK-SA Tapes, of which I have > still boxes of, unused. I bought a nice lot at the right time, offf the > right guy. Anyway, the compatability between decks is excellent. I sent the > Sony WM-D6c out to an expert, to have it fully serviced and brought to > better thqan Specs. And it is an amazing little portable. However, I never > really used it for Microphone recording, outdoors, etc.... I see that the > Sony ECM-909A was a recommended Mic. for the unit. It is an Electret > Condender Mic. It says that the Sony WM-D6C can actually power the 909A Mic, > even though it has a battery compartment. I see that a few Sony ECM > Microphones have been mentioned, and they all seem to have a 1/8 inch > Headphone style jack on the end of Mic cord, to match the unit's Mic input. > > > > Does anyone know of any Mic's from other manufacturers that > would work, very well, and fit the headphone style jack input?? Id like > using it for some recording of Nature Sounds, and who knows, maybe some > concerts.....the ECM 909A, and other Sony ECM's that I have mentioned are > Stereo Microphones. I didn't want to spend a fortune, something > afordable....these Sony's can be had in the $100.00 or below range, and have > reported very good results, for the things I mention trying to use it for. > Thank You, Ray > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Feb 27 23:49:10 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:49:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX eject problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92901002271449oe97470i5e67fdcfb2d5efdf@mail.gmail.com> Take the top cover off the unit and look behind the left side of the mechanism. You'll see a white plastic piston with a hook protruding from the end. The piston is the damper and the spring is the actuator for the door eject. Follow the spring and see where it is - or isn't - connected. There's a rocker arm on the side of the transport which pushes the door open. Something in that assembly has broken or - if you're lucky - the spring has slipped off one end or the other. Best of luck, Willy On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Paul M wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am rather new to Naktalk, this is my first message, I hope this works! > First of all I must admit that I have been scouring the lists for a few > months, and I am blown away > by the great wealth of info the members have collected here. This > community is truly amazing. > > My first Nak is a CR-3A, bought used in the early 90's, it has served me > well until it stopped, literally. > I had it "repaired" about ten years ago, a motor issue, a local service got > it running but it stopped again six months later. > ....... Last December I thought I would try to get it going again, I > discovered Naktalk and figured I might as well try to fix it. > Sure enough, a few squirts of Deoxit did the trick. > So I have been bit by the Nak bug!!! > > Thanks to ebay, now I have a decent looking, performing 680ZX, and I must > say it is a different animal entirely, built like a tank. > It records very well and playback is perfect. When I checked out some of my > old tapes, I noticed it sounding slow, > so I adjusted it up to speed. Great, sounds right to me. > I found that the cassette door was chafing a little against the door frame, > I thought I could make the action a little smoother > by pushing the door to the right a bit. I heard a faint click, oh oh, not > good. > Now the pneumatic eject action is gone, I still can eject by pulling the > door out manually, but that s**ks. > I can't see anything broken, it is a tight space, don't see what is wrong > with the mechanism. > I'm sure somebody here has some idea? > > Thank you, > Paul > > ps: I do have a service manual > > > ------------------------------ > Not using Hotmail on your phone? Why not? Get it now. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 01:12:04 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:12:04 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? In-Reply-To: <857902.45333.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <1564118141.20100226153806@rogers.com> <019601cab78e$08090b90$181b22b0$@net> <1433056659.20100227084520@rogers.com> <857902.45333.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KYI007SLZ839VY1@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Actually, this does beg the question before crystals were used for frequency oscillators. Was there ever a time when line frequency was the beat frequency like the older TV sets? At 05:41 PM 2/27/2010, you wrote: >The deck doesn't care about line frequency. > >-- Ron > > > >From: dima >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 8:45:20 AM >Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? > >Hi, thanks for the replies. > >Regarding a transformer - yes, this is a good idea, but I was >wondering - could there be something in the deck that depends on the >frequency too (50Hz vs 60Hz)? Thanks again. > >Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:19:56 AM, you wrote: > > > The simplest thing to do, which I am doing on a European component > > as I type, is to buy a transformer. eBay has plenty and a deck will > > not need a big one. I would guess you are under $50 for a good 500W model. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert > > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:08 PM > > To: dima; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? > > > If you deck is only 220v you need a step down transformer. > > > Or you can wait until I make a toroidal replacement for it, just like > > I did for the 1000zxl. > > > Rgds. Lp. > > > Http://naks.es > > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > > El 26/02/2010, a las 21:38, dima > <dima at rogers.com> escribio: > > >> Hi everybody, > >> > >> My first post here, with a question: is it possible/easy to convert a > >> European model Dragon (220-240v/50Hz) to North American voltage > >> (110v/60Hz)? > >> > >> Thank you! > >> > >> -- > >> Cheers, > >> Dmitry. > >> Nak 680ZX, 600 ("project"). > >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >-- >Cheers, >Dmitry. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sun Feb 28 02:43:52 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:43:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphones Message-ID: Hello, Thank you Fred for answering my post regarding microphones for my Sony WM-D6C Walkman Recorder. As I say, I have never done any Microphone recording with this unit, yet it has a very good reputation besides being a good quality component recorder/player, it's also a quality recorder for journalism and Bootlegging of concerts. I would like to get into the recording area of using a Microphone with this WM-D6C Portable. All of the Sony Electret Condenser Microphones I mentioned, were recommended as being great matches with this unit, and all are discontinued. The ECM 900 series of Mic's can be had on Auction Sites, below $100.00....I have also seen Sony ECM-700 series of Mic's that are reported as good too, they are all stereo Mic's. As for Nakamichi Microphones, Im sure they would have to be good as well, especially from the 1980's era. I wonder if they had the small 1/8 inch headphone style connectors on the end of them. Also, if they made any stereo microphones?? Sony ECM stereo Mic's hada neat feature, that was 2 capsules in the Mic. One of them was for recording an individual on stage, like vocalist, and by sliding a switch, you could record all of the participants on stage. Neat feature. I appreciate any suggestions for a Microphone to use with my WM-D6C....I am going to look for Nakamichi Mic's second hand. Thanks, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Sun Feb 28 06:24:42 2010 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:24:42 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL buzzing In-Reply-To: <901843588.4625011266335696200.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <901843588.4625011266335696200.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Willy, Bala, Luis and other ZXL experts. We (my brother, actually) are working on my ZXL. First, we've solved the problem of noise (which was visible on the meters of both channels when you switched the deck on and even before putting a tape in): we did this by replacing caps and diodes and maybe some other parts on the power supply board. A number of parts on the 4 boards on the RH side have also been replaced (except 628 and 621pF for which we didn't have the correct values). Now we've rebuilt the headphone amplifier (that seemed to be creating its own noise) and replaced the main power supply capacitor on the same board (and also bypassed that, by the way). BUT, we still have no right channel - only a buzzing sound where there ought to be beautiful music. There seems to be no signal at all in that channel. The buzzing noise is also visible on the meters (not when you turn the machine on, but only when playing a tape). We're not quite sure where the problem is likely to be: dry solder, orange cap somewhere else, old wiring. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks so much. Bernard White From bernardsda at hotmail.com Sun Feb 28 07:19:21 2010 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:19:21 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL buzzing In-Reply-To: <1258626873.5511451266468466174.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1258626873.5511451266468466174.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Further to my letter of an hour ago about the 1000ZXL buzzing in the right channel. It might be relevant to know this fact that I forgot to mention: that right channel has been dodgy for a while. It would work intermittently, but had basically stopped altogether (as it is now) when I brought it back from Korea to New Zealand. En route, the deck got banged around a little (knocking the cassette well in - which has been fixed): BUT THE RIGHT CHANNEL WAS WORKING AGAIN, and continued working until we started working on the machine. It was only after the first round (doing the power supply) that the right channel was back to its old tricks. Is that any help? Bernard From spmcmanus at cox.net Sun Feb 28 07:25:06 2010 From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 1:25:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 transport problem Message-ID: <20100228012506.V0STF.580852.imail@eastrmwml48> Hi guys, well I made some headway. I lubed the gears and several shafts and all is quiet now. The belts seem to be fine,I still have a slow fast forward and no response when reverse is selected..... From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Feb 28 12:10:04 2010 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:10:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Donor parts (Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v?) References: <1564118141.20100226153806@rogers.com><019601cab78e$08090b90$181b22b0$@net><1433056659.20100227084520@rogers.com><857902.45333.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0KYI007SLZ839VY1@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <139F5A6EDCF14157B41AC923B9142938@asus8an32dlx> Hi, maybe we can make a kind of exchange place for donor parts? I have here a 220 Volt BX100 donor deck and also a 482 . There are probably many Naktalkers with donor decks? Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? Actually, this does beg the question before crystals were used for frequency oscillators. Was there ever a time when line frequency was the beat frequency like the older TV sets? At 05:41 PM 2/27/2010, you wrote: The deck doesn't care about line frequency. -- Ron From: dima To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 8:45:20 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? Hi, thanks for the replies. Regarding a transformer - yes, this is a good idea, but I was wondering - could there be something in the deck that depends on the frequency too (50Hz vs 60Hz)? Thanks again. Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:19:56 AM, you wrote: > The simplest thing to do, which I am doing on a European component > as I type, is to buy a transformer. eBay has plenty and a deck will > not need a big one. I would guess you are under $50 for a good 500W model. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:08 PM > To: dima; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? > If you deck is only 220v you need a step down transformer. > Or you can wait until I make a toroidal replacement for it, just like > I did for the 1000zxl. > Rgds. Lp. > Http://naks.es > Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 26/02/2010, a las 21:38, dima escribio: >> Hi everybody, >> >> My first post here, with a question: is it possible/easy to convert a >> European model Dragon (220-240v/50Hz) to North American voltage >> (110v/60Hz)? >> >> Thank you! >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Dmitry. >> Nak 680ZX, 600 ("project"). >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Cheers, Dmitry. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. __________ Informatie van ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versie van database viruskenmerken 4762 (20100111) __________ Het bericht is gecontroleerd door ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ Informatie van ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versie van database viruskenmerken 4762 (20100111) __________ Het bericht is gecontroleerd door ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Feb 28 14:12:06 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:12:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL buzzing In-Reply-To: References: <1258626873.5511451266468466174.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: This buzzing most of the times is a bad cap. Start on the PB amp board, and trace the signal with a scope until the buzz is found. DC offset in the PB head preamplifier is very important too. El 28/02/2010, a las 07:19, Bernard White escribió: > buzzing in the right channel From luis at peromarta.org Sun Feb 28 14:16:41 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:16:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL buzzing In-Reply-To: References: <901843588.4625011266335696200.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You probably mean 621 lettering on the cap which is 620pF and can safely be changed for 2x330pF in parallel, carefully chosen to have the lowest possible value.. Instead of 628, I guess you refer to 682 lettering, or 6800pF. 4700pF // 1000pF can be used here. rgds, LP. El 28/02/2010, a las 06:24, Bernard White escribió: > except 628 and 621pF for which we didn't have the correct values From luis at peromarta.org Sun Feb 28 14:19:13 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:19:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL buzzing In-Reply-To: References: <901843588.4625011266335696200.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <44302D34-D010-4AFC-9691-EAB92FE485DA@peromarta.org> You need to start good old troubleshooting by tracing the signal first. Could be the headphone opamp, or a cap, or almost anything. By the way, regarding the meters, I do recommend to replace 2 orange caps there. It's really hard to get there, so once get to it, just replace them Hope this helps. El 28/02/2010, a las 06:24, Bernard White escribió: > we still have no right channel - only a buzzing sound where there ought to be beautiful music. From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Feb 28 16:03:24 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 07:03:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL buzzing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <632375.57751.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's unlikely anyone can remotely diagnose the deck, except, maybe, by sheer chance. You need to do what any adept technician would do: inject a signal at the right channel input, then trace it through the circuitry, until you get to the point where it disappears. That will quickly tell you where the problem lies (approximate time to completion: 20 minutes). Then, locate the exact component that has failed. This could be anything -- a PCB trace. a bad cap (of any color. Don't assume non-orange caps are good), a resistor, IC, etc.. (approximate time: 20 minutes). Obviously, required tools are an audio generator and a signal tracer. (Either can be kludged, but not easily or conveniently). Good luck, -- Ron --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Bernard White wrote: From: Bernard White Subject: [naktalk] ZXL buzzing To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 1:19 AM Further to my letter of an hour ago about the 1000ZXL buzzing in the right channel. It might be relevant to know this fact that I forgot to mention: that right channel has been dodgy for a while. It would work intermittently, but had basically stopped altogether (as it is now) when I brought it back from Korea to New Zealand. En route, the deck got banged around a little (knocking the cassette well in - which has been fixed): BUT THE RIGHT CHANNEL WAS WORKING AGAIN, and continued working until we started working on the machine. It was only after the first round (doing the power supply) that the right channel was back to its old tricks. Is that any help? Bernard ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Feb 28 18:11:51 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:11:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL buzzing In-Reply-To: References: <901843588.4625011266335696200.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4b6f92901002280911g51daa4a5vbfe38dd55e87dd6c@mail.gmail.com> The buzz is likely in the first stages of the playback head amp since it mutes when not in play. Have you performed the "Playback Amp Offset Adjustment" in the calibration instructions? If the DC offset of that input stage is off you'll get just that symptom. If not just an adjustment, it might be either that op amp or the FET input pair for that channel. Willy On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Bernard White wrote: > Hi Willy, Bala, Luis and other ZXL experts. > > We (my brother, actually) are working on my ZXL. First, we've solved the > problem of noise (which was visible on the meters of both channels when you > switched the deck on and even before putting a tape in): we did this by > replacing caps and diodes and maybe some other parts on the power supply > board. A number of parts on the 4 boards on the RH side have also been > replaced (except 628 and 621pF for which we didn't have the correct values). > > Now we've rebuilt the headphone amplifier (that seemed to be creating its > own noise) and replaced the main power supply capacitor on the same board > (and also bypassed that, by the way). BUT, we still have no right channel - > only a buzzing sound where there ought to be beautiful music. There seems to > be no signal at all in that channel. The buzzing noise is also visible on > the meters (not when you turn the machine on, but only when playing a tape). > > We're not quite sure where the problem is likely to be: dry solder, orange > cap somewhere else, old wiring. Do you have any suggestions? > > > Thanks so much. > > Bernard White > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Feb 28 19:45:23 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:45:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak jigs in duplication? References: <1715360189-1267215598-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-79993211-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <411686095E0541DE9310A7009E0C1274@home> The DA 9039 (Tilt check Guage) and DA 9048 B (Record Head mounting Guage).The one I now bought is not a B edition ,so I now have to see whether there is a difference as well with my present one..... I have to see the condition of the set that still has to arrive before I can proceed. Thanks walter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak jigs in duplication? > Walter, What jigs do you available? > Perry > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2709 - Release Date: 02/25/10 07:34:00 From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Feb 28 20:36:53 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:36:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Donor parts (Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v?) In-Reply-To: <139F5A6EDCF14157B41AC923B9142938@asus8an32dlx> References: <1564118141.20100226153806@rogers.com><019601cab78e$08090b90$181b22b0$@net><1433056659.20100227084520@rogers.com><857902.45333.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0KYI007SLZ839VY1@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> <139F5A6EDCF14157B41AC923B9142938@asus8an32dlx> Message-ID: <277613.12608.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am not sure what you mean by 'beat frequency', but cassette decks are nothing like TVs. Most (probably, all) cassette decks use DC motors and do not care about line frequency. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Roland >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:12 > AM >Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [naktalk] > Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? > >Actually, this does beg the question before crystals were used > for frequency oscillators. > >Was there ever a time when line frequency > was the beat frequency like the older TV sets? > >At 05:41 PM 2/27/2010, > you wrote: > >The deck doesn't care about line >> frequency. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >>From: dima >>To: "naktalk at naks.com" >> >>Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 8:45:20 >> AM >>Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v >> to 110v? >> >>Hi, thanks for the replies. >> >>Regarding a >> transformer - yes, this is a good idea, but I was >>wondering - could there >> be something in the deck that depends on the >>frequency too (50Hz vs >> 60Hz)? Thanks again. >> >>Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:19:56 AM, you >> wrote: >> >>> The simplest thing to do, which I am doing on a European >> component >>> as I type, is to buy a transformer. eBay has plenty and a >> deck will >>> not need a big one. I would guess you are under $50 for a >> good 500W model. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [>> mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta >> Regert >>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:08 PM >>> To: dima; >> Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Cc: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: Re: >> [naktalk] Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v? >> >>> If you deck is >> only 220v you need a step down transformer. >> >>> Or you can wait >> until I make a toroidal replacement for it, just like >>> I did for the >> 1000zxl. >> >>> Rgds. Lp. >> >>> Http://naks.es >> >>> Enviado desde mi >> iPhone >> >>> El 26/02/2010, a las 21:38, dima >> escribio: >> >>>> Hi everybody, >>>> >>>> My first >> post here, with a question: is it possible/easy to convert a >>>> >> European model Dragon (220-240v/50Hz) to North American voltage >>>> >> (110v/60Hz)? >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> -- >> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Dmitry. >>>> Nak 680ZX, 600 >> ("project"). >>>> >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> >> ========= >>>> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> >> ========= >>>> >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> ========= >> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> >> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >>-- >> >>Cheers, >>Dmitry. >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Roland > >When momentum meets resistance, push > harder. > >__________ Informatie van ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versie van > database viruskenmerken 4762 (20100111) __________ > >Het bericht is > gecontroleerd door ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > ________________________________ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >__________ > Informatie van ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versie van database viruskenmerken 4762 > (20100111) __________ > >Het bericht is gecontroleerd door ESET > NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Sun Feb 28 20:16:27 2010 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 08:16:27 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL buzzing In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002280911g51daa4a5vbfe38dd55e87dd6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <901843588.4625011266335696200.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4b6f92901002280911g51daa4a5vbfe38dd55e87dd6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks to Luis, Ron and Willy for their advice. I don't have the necessary tools to trace the signal, so it's going to take a little longer. But you've given me some idea where to start. I'll let you know how we get on. Bernard On 1/03/2010, at 6:11 AM, Willy Hermann wrote: > The buzz is likely in the first stages of the playback head amp > since it mutes when not in play. Have you performed the "Playback > Amp Offset Adjustment" in the calibration instructions? If the DC > offset of that input stage is off you'll get just that symptom. If > not just an adjustment, it might be either that op amp or the FET > input pair for that channel. > > Willy > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Bernard White > wrote: > Hi Willy, Bala, Luis and other ZXL experts. > > We (my brother, actually) are working on my ZXL. First, we've solved > the problem of noise (which was visible on the meters of both > channels when you switched the deck on and even before putting a > tape in): we did this by replacing caps and diodes and maybe some > other parts on the power supply board. A number of parts on the 4 > boards on the RH side have also been replaced (except 628 and 621pF > for which we didn't have the correct values). > > Now we've rebuilt the headphone amplifier (that seemed to be > creating its own noise) and replaced the main power supply capacitor > on the same board (and also bypassed that, by the way). BUT, we > still have no right channel - only a buzzing sound where there ought > to be beautiful music. There seems to be no signal at all in that > channel. The buzzing noise is also visible on the meters (not when > you turn the machine on, but only when playing a tape). > > We're not quite sure where the problem is likely to be: dry solder, > orange cap somewhere else, old wiring. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 22:06:32 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:06:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ray, all microphones that use a 1/4" stereo plug can be changed to a 3.5mm stereo plug using a simple $3 adaptor. Get the nickel- or gold-plated one, not the plastic-handled one. With this in place, you need to be extra careful not to whack it laterally, as it can damage the mic jack in the recorder. Alternately, a tech can cut off the 1/4" plug and install a 3.5mm plug quite easily. One important factor in recording with a microphone is to place the *microphone and the recorder on a non-resonant surface*. I've heard numerous recordings where the mic and the recorder were placed on a conference table. Along with the conversation, you heard the whirring of the cassette motor and the "sounding board" effect of the tabletop. It is easy to rig up a non-resonant surface using a few pieces of polyurethane foam in which both recorder and mic are nested. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Ray Riendeau wrote: > Hello, > Thank you Fred for answering my post regarding microphones for > my Sony WM-D6C Walkman Recorder. As I say, I have never done any Microphone > recording with this unit, yet it has a very good reputation besides being a > good quality component recorder/player, it's also a quality recorder for > journalism and Bootlegging of concerts. I would like to get into the > recording area of using a Microphone with this WM-D6C Portable. All of the > Sony Electret Condenser Microphones I mentioned, were recommended as being > great matches with this unit, and all are discontinued. The ECM 900 series > of Mic's can be had on Auction Sites, below $100.00....I have also seen Sony > ECM-700 series of Mic's that are reported as good too, they are all stereo > Mic's. > > As for Nakamichi Microphones, Im sure they would have to be good > as well, especially from the 1980's era. I wonder if they had the small 1/8 > inch headphone style connectors on the end of them. Also, if they made any > stereo microphones?? Sony ECM stereo Mic's hada neat feature, that was 2 > capsules in the Mic. One of them was for recording an individual on stage, > like vocalist, and by sliding a switch, you could record all of the > participants on stage. Neat feature. I appreciate any suggestions for a > Microphone to use with my WM-D6C....I am going to look for Nakamichi Mic's > second hand. Thanks, Ray > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Sun Feb 28 22:46:03 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:46:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark, I'll bet we all would like to hear more about the 620 amp. It has been a long time since I've been able to listen to one. One attribute I distinctly remember is that it seemed characterless, unlike so many transistor amps of that period. It is also one of the few amps that touted "low distortion" (IIRC THD=0.004%) that actually SOUNDED low distortion! Since the 620 could be bridged using the "black box" adaptor, a single 620 works just fine with 4 ohm speakers. Power seems much higher than the rated 60 w/ch. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 5:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck Thank you Tom for your comments. I bought an entire System One yesterday which included a black 600II cassette deck, manuals, and brochure. Also bought three additional 600 decks. Therefor I presently have: One 600II (silver) Two 600II (black) Two 600 (black) That's right, a total of five 600's cassette decks! The 620 amp sure is something. Listening to the Rolling Stones Beggar's Banquet & Let it Bleed albums via the BX-300, I perhaps never understood Mick Jagger's vocals better. Happy I sold the Adcom GFA-545 II amp last month, but still have the GFA-535 and the Nakamichi 420 amp. The previous owner mentioned the 'hard to find' 600 rack sold for $300 on Ebay years ago. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: hitech at birch.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:13:48 -0600 The FF and RW can be caused by a stretched capstan belt or hardened reel table tires. The most critical part is the play idler clutch. If it is the original white nylon type the bearing wear will cause flutter. The replacement is metal bodied. Most of the 600 racks are filled with an entire stereo (System One) and go for about $1000 tops. The rack by itself ??? Of the System One components the 620 amp has the highest value, followed by the 610 mixer/preamp. 600 decks usually auction for less than $90. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck I have a chance to buy a 600, a 600 II cassette deck, and a 600 series rack. Play, REW, and FF are not working on the 600's. Can someone please let me know what the non-working 600 decks and the 600 series rack is going for on Ebay (U.S. dollars). Please respond ASAP as I'm strongly considering buying. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Sun Feb 28 22:46:04 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:46:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX eject problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul, Welcome to NakTalk. I hope the plastic pin that attaches the pneumatic to the holder hasn't broken. Remove the knobs, top, and the 6 screws holding the front panel. Fold the front down at right angle and use a book beneath the deck so you dont strain the wires. With lick the tiny clip holding the white pneumatic onto the holder is missing. Look at greasy areas where it sticks or use a small magnet to try and retreive it. If the plastic has broken buy a product advertised as "plastic welder" to repair it. Glue will not work. To realign your door find the 4 large screws that secure the transport to the front plate. If you loosen these you will be able to slide the transport from side to side. Temporarily install the front and align the transport so the door is centered. Mark the top rail for reference, remove the front, and tighten the screws. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul M Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:09 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX eject problem Hello everyone, I am rather new to Naktalk, this is my first message, I hope this works! First of all I must admit that I have been scouring the lists for a few months, and I am blown away by the great wealth of info the members have collected here. This community is truly amazing. My first Nak is a CR-3A, bought used in the early 90's, it has served me well until it stopped, literally. I had it "repaired" about ten years ago, a motor issue, a local service got it running but it stopped again six months later. ....... Last December I thought I would try to get it going again, I discovered Naktalk and figured I might as well try to fix it. Sure enough, a few squirts of Deoxit did the trick. So I have been bit by the Nak bug!!! Thanks to ebay, now I have a decent looking, performing 680ZX, and I must say it is a different animal entirely, built like a tank. It records very well and playback is perfect. When I checked out some of my old tapes, I noticed it sounding slow, so I adjusted it up to speed. Great, sounds right to me. I found that the cassette door was chafing a little against the door frame, I thought I could make the action a little smoother by pushing the door to the right a bit. I heard a faint click, oh oh, not good. Now the pneumatic eject action is gone, I still can eject by pulling the door out manually, but that s**ks. I can't see anything broken, it is a tight space, don't see what is wrong with the mechanism. I'm sure somebody here has some idea? Thank you, Paul ps: I do have a service manual ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Not using Hotmail on your phone? Why not? Get it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Sun Feb 28 22:46:05 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:46:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nakamichi had a series of microphone. The CM300 was a basic condensor mic. CM500 exists, but I can't recall anything about them. CM700 mics had interchangeable capsules and smaller diaphrams. They shipped with omni and cardoid capsules, and the shotgun was optional. The CM1000 was selected for highest performance. CM700 are the easiest to find, as these were popular with Dead tapers who bought 3 to use with the 550 recorder. The CM 700 is an incredibly good mic. Colorless, rugged, not too much bass tip if used close up in cardoid. I would highly recommend these as comparable to AKG condensors (small diaphram). I pass on a true story. We had an engineer that would buy omni capsules 10 at a time. He was using them to measure the power (air pressure) of explosives! He estimated the CM700 was linear to +145dBm !! I believe the explosions often destroyed the capsules. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ray Riendeau Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 7:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphones Hello, Thank you Fred for answering my post regarding microphones for my Sony WM-D6C Walkman Recorder. As I say, I have never done any Microphone recording with this unit, yet it has a very good reputation besides being a good quality component recorder/player, it's also a quality recorder for journalism and Bootlegging of concerts. I would like to get into the recording area of using a Microphone with this WM-D6C Portable. All of the Sony Electret Condenser Microphones I mentioned, were recommended as being great matches with this unit, and all are discontinued. The ECM 900 series of Mic's can be had on Auction Sites, below $100.00....I have also seen Sony ECM-700 series of Mic's that are reported as good too, they are all stereo Mic's. As for Nakamichi Microphones, Im sure they would have to be good as well, especially from the 1980's era. I wonder if they had the small 1/8 inch headphone style connectors on the end of them. Also, if they made any stereo microphones?? Sony ECM stereo Mic's hada neat feature, that was 2 capsules in the Mic. One of them was for recording an individual on stage, like vocalist, and by sliding a switch, you could record all of the participants on stage. Neat feature. I appreciate any suggestions for a Microphone to use with my WM-D6C....I am going to look for Nakamichi Mic's second hand. Thanks, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2010\2010-January.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 05:04:54 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:04:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Off topic- Revox Reel to Reel In-Reply-To: <193114.1344.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <108641.39094.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, Being a current owner of both, I can understand your sentiments. Best Regards and Happy New Year, Bala --- On Thu, 12/31/09, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Off topic- Revox Reel to Reel To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 11:17 PM I just ran a searh on ths Graig's list Boston Site. There were two ReVox r-t-r decks, ond for $150, the other for $200. The one referred to is probab;ly long gone. To be honest, I wouldn't pick it up, even if turned out to  be a choice model in good shape, for $25 (which equates to 'free'). It would bring back fond memories,  (I used to one a G36,and then an A77) but heartbreak too, as I simply don't have the room  for it. -- Ron From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 11:25:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Off topic- Revox Reel to Reel What model is it? --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) wrote: From: Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Off topic- Revox Reel to Reel To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:27 AM Sorry to diverge, but there is a Revox R2R for sale on the Boston Craigslist.  Don't know anything about it, but I think it was listed for $25 in the electronics section.  -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] brochure finally found! I'm so happy, after a search for years that I had given up in a way I yesterday happily paid $20 for the combined 700ZXL/ZXE brochure on ebay. I think this may be one of the holy grail Nak brochures out there, never seen if for sale before. 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Maybe the setting was accidentally changed and that's why it cannot recognise the IR remote signal code? Or maybe it is a relay switching fault? I see that you have posted on Tag McLaren section on AVForums, why don't you describe the problem and see if anyone can help? I don't think the service manual is easily available. _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johan.strydom at sanlam4u.co.za Fri Jan 1 14:49:43 2010 From: johan.strydom at sanlam4u.co.za (Johan Strydom) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:49:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nak 682ZX problem] References: Message-ID: Thanks Wouter! ----- Original Message ----- From: Wouter Heijke To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nak 682ZX problem] I'm forwarding this message since the sender had problems posting it. Wouter Morning Guys I am a new subscriber to Naktalk. I stay in South Africa and am the proud owner of a 682ZX cassette deck. My machine has picked up the following problem: When I switch the machine on, the Auto Calibration red indicator light immediately comes on and stays on and the machine does not respond to any commands (ie nothing works), whether a cassette is loaded or not. Could you please comment to the possible cause of my problem, as well as how to fix it. I am not aware of any Nakamichi service centres in South Africa. Is it possible to download a free service manual from a website? Have a great Nak day!!! 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URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Fri Jan 1 14:13:31 2010 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 7:13:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FS Gently Used Sony Hi-Bias Tapes In-Reply-To: <20091231203007.PONMU.71502.root@ispmxfep12-z01> Message-ID: <20100101071331.Q1SWC.73469.root@ispmxfep12-z01> Sony tapes are sold thanks Mike From johngipps at ymail.com Fri Jan 1 16:05:21 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:05:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <201001011117.o01B94Qt026956@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001011117.o01B94Qt026956@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <566258.76380.qm@web113711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Johan This type of problem is sometimes quite hard to repair when you have the deck on the bench in front of you, let alone when it is in another country. I looked up 682ZX's in my repair database - we sold a lot of this model in Australia. There was some consistency of component failures for faults concerning Auto Cal. The two really common failures were IC 909 and C905 on the Auto Level PCB. IC909 is a 4558 Dual Opamp, and C905 is an Electrolytic Cap 2.2uF 25V. From a cursory look at the schematic, it would seem that a failure of IC909 could easily light the Auto Cal lamp permanently. As this is a cheap and easily obtainable component, I would replace it and see if the problem goes away. You could take the same attitude with C905. Of course, nothing is as good as systematically tracking down the problem, but you probably wouldn't be seeking help if you could do this - so replacing a couple of cheap and easily sourced known offenders is probably an ok idea. Good luck with it Johan - it's a model well worth repairing. Happy New Year to the group Regards John Gipps Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:01:13 +0100 From: "Wouter Heijke" Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nak 682ZX problem] To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm forwarding this message since the sender had problems posting it. Wouter Morning Guys I am a new subscriber to Naktalk. I stay in South Africa and am the proud owner of a 682ZX cassette deck. My machine has picked up the following problem: When I switch the machine on, the Auto Calibration red indicator light immediately comes on and stays on and the machine does not respond to any commands (ie nothing works), whether a cassette is loaded or not. Could you please comment to the possible cause of my problem, as well as how to fix it. I am not aware of any Nakamichi service centres in South Africa. Is it possible to download a free service manual from a website? Have a great Nak day!!! 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You can find my progress here: http://naks.es/1000ZXL-3.html Hope you enjoy the site - and the project. Before I go, I would like to wish you all a very happy new year, best regards from Madrid, Luis. -- Luis Peromarta DISCLAIMER: This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email, or any part of it, is strictly forbidden. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible SÉANADH: Is d’úsáid an duine/na ndaoine chuig a bhfuil sí seolta agus sin amháin atá an teachtaireacht seo. D’fhéadfadh go bhfuil faisnéis faoi phribhléid nó faoi rún de réir bhrí an dlí is infheidhme inti. Mura tusa an seolaí a bhí beartaithe, bí ar an eolas go bhfuair tú an ríomhphost seo de bharr earráide agus go bhfuil cosc iomlán ar an ríomhphost seo, nó aon chuid de, a úsáid, a scaipeadh, a chur ar aghaidh nó a chóipeáil. Má fuair tú an ríomhphost seo de bharr earráide, téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir chomh luath agus is féidir, le do thoil. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jan 2 12:43:20 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:43:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Before the year ends ... More 1000 ZXLs !! In-Reply-To: <53569826-FC1C-446C-9542-036361F94C78@peromarta.org> References: <53569826-FC1C-446C-9542-036361F94C78@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <6031CD39-E216-4E51-8544-2B8326B0605F@peromarta.org> More updates available on the new project! http://naks.es/1000ZXL-3.html Best rgds, LP. El 01/01/2010, a las 18:44, Luis Peromarta Regert escribió: > Not sure if this got trough. Sorry for any duplicates, > > best rgds, L. > > > Dear friends, > > while some of your are certainly now in the new year, I still have some hour to go. Time enough to put up some new pages with info on the new 1000ZXL that just arrived yesterday. > > You can find my progress here: > > http://naks.es/1000ZXL-3.html > > Hope you enjoy the site - and the project. > > Before I go, I would like to wish you all a very happy new year, best regards from Madrid, > > Luis. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Fri Jan 1 18:32:12 2010 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:32:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another spin around the sun Message-ID: <007c01ca8b08$5ab08ec0$6501a8c0@hsd1.ga.comcast.net> I just want to say HNY! to all the gang at the Nak site. We all have a common interest in something that most folks don't care about, but thats what makes it all so interesting. Sometimes, it's the little things that give the most pleasure in life. I never get tired of reading these emails (at least most of them), and of course, watching the cassette spin around in my 505. Cheers to all in 10! Rob From mcole01 at comcast.net Fri Jan 1 23:41:09 2010 From: mcole01 at comcast.net (Michael Cole) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:41:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for sale Message-ID: <7CD18D335B6A47FDAE382EC259B42A2A@georgeto04b419> Hello and happy New Year, I'm strongly considering selling my 700ZXL which is cosmetically and mechanically excellent. I would even go as far as to say it's near mint. The deck was completely gone over by Willy about six months ago and I haven't played it since he sent it back to me. This deck should belong to someone who's going to use it regularly so I'm offering it for sale to members of Naktalk before I list it on Ebay or Audiogon. Please contact me off list if you're interested (mcole01 at comcast.net). Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Jan 3 15:42:41 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:42:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Before the year ends ... More 1000 ZXLs !! In-Reply-To: <20D32934-6FB1-42FF-983B-5BBC8CC68655@gmail.com> References: <1FEE2D8C-7F74-4D77-BC3E-7B10B60CE2EB@peromarta.org> <20D32934-6FB1-42FF-983B-5BBC8CC68655@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C266D9C-0DEE-4EF3-A13E-D31BD42B2C1C@peromarta.org> Dear Nakkers For your viewing pleasure, I have uploaded some videos of the progress with the 1000ZXL. Best rgds, LP. El 02/01/2010, a las 12:39, Luis Peromarta Regert escribió: > More updates available on the new project! > > http://naks.es/1000ZXL-3.html > > Best rgds, LP. > > El 31/12/2009, a las 19:56, Luis Peromarta Regert escribió: > >> Dear friends, >> >> while some of your are certainly now in the new year, I still have some hour to go. Time enough to put up some new pages with info on the new 1000ZXL that just arrived yesterday. >> >> You can find my progress here: >> >> http://naks.es/1000ZXL-3.html >> >> Hope you enjoy the site - and the project. >> >> Before I go, I would like to wish you all a very happy new year, best regards from Madrid, >> >> Luis. >> >> > -- Luis Peromarta DISCLAIMER: This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. 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Also, these tapes were from pre-1995 production runs. thanks for looking Mike From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Jan 3 19:41:45 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:41:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CA5 vs Sony TA-E88B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92901001031041t4af44db1i26c0153f5527d81b@mail.gmail.com> I sold both of them when they were new and had plenty of opportunity to compare. The TA-E88B far outperforms the CA-5 or the CA-7. The bass is better and firmer, the mids and highs more musical and less "Japanese" (strident) and the stereo image is in a different world. The only note of caution: The Sony used an early version switching power supply which was trouble prone in some of the units. I would guess if you are looking at one which is working now that it wasn't one of the problem units. The TA-E series of Sony was their very top end and a separate franchise in the early 80's. That preamp retailed for $1300.00 !! Willy On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Norman van Wijnen < n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder which of these two pre amps you like the most? Did anyone has used > both amps? > > Regards Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Jan 3 20:19:04 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:19:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CA5 vs Sony TA-E88B In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901001031041t4af44db1i26c0153f5527d81b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92901001031041t4af44db1i26c0153f5527d81b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b6f92901001031119u5a2a6cb7v7c52ee14af4c98f0@mail.gmail.com> Sorry - correction -- it was the power amp of that series - the TA-N88B - which had the switching supply. The pre amp was fine. Willy On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > I sold both of them when they were new and had plenty of opportunity to > compare. The TA-E88B far outperforms the CA-5 or the CA-7. The bass is > better and firmer, the mids and highs more musical and less "Japanese" > (strident) and the stereo image is in a different world. The only note of > caution: The Sony used an early version switching power supply which was > trouble prone in some of the units. I would guess if you are looking at one > which is working now that it wasn't one of the problem units. The TA-E > series of Sony was their very top end and a separate franchise in the early > 80's. That preamp retailed for $1300.00 !! > > Willy > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Norman van Wijnen < > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I wonder which of these two pre amps you like the most? Did anyone has >> used both amps? >> >> Regards Norman >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dalincer at comcast.net Sun Jan 3 17:43:41 2010 From: dalincer at comcast.net (DaLincerGuy) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:43:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestion / thoughts about actuator motor in BX-300 and others Message-ID: <4B40C93D.8000103@comcast.net> I purchased a BX-300 from eBay a few weeks ago, have cleaned it up and with Willy's help have gotten it working ... for while. It has gotten stuck again with the actuator motor unable to turn the cam to make the Sankyo mechanism go into play or move at all. Thought: The cam mechanism goes back into the exact [almost] exact same spot every time. That means to me that the motor goes back into the same spot each time. However if I take the motor out and advance the gear _one tooth,_ the motor will then come to rest in a new spot hopefully bypassing the worst spot on the motor. Along the way, I would run the motor in as others have suggested, just when putting the motor back in make sure it's aligned in a new way. Putting my 4 cents in. DML __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4739 (20100103) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 17:57:04 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:57:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Off topic- Revox Reel to Reel In-Reply-To: <108641.39094.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <108641.39094.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <800871.63352.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Best wishes for ya and all, too. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 11:04:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Off topic- Revox Reel to Reel Hi Ron, Being a current owner of both, I can understand your sentiments. Best Regards and Happy New Year, Bala --- On Thu, 12/31/09, Ron wrote: >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Off topic- Revox Reel to Reel >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 11:17 PM > > > >I just ran a searh on ths Graig's list Boston Site. There >were two ReVox r-t-r decks, ond for $150, the other >for $200. The one referred to is > probab;ly long gone. > >To be honest, I wouldn't pick it up, even if turned out >to be a choice model in good shape, for $25 (which >equates to 'free'). It would bring back fond memories, >(I used to one a G36,and then an A77) but heartbreak >too, as I simply don't have the room for it. > >-- Ron > > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 11:25:01 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Off topic- Revox Reel to Reel > > >What model is it? > >--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) wrote: > > >>From: Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) >>Subject: [naktalk] RE: Off topic- Revox Reel to Reel >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:27 AM >> >> >>Sorry to diverge, but there is a Revox R2R for sale on the Boston >>Craigslist. Don't know anything about it, but I think it was listed for >>$25 in the electronics section. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>Behalf Of Wouter Heijke >>Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:56 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] brochure finally found! >> >> >>I'm so happy, after a search for years that I had given up in a way I >>yesterday happily paid $20 for the combined 700ZXL/ZXE brochure on ebay. >>I think this may be one of the holy grail Nak brochures out there, never >>seen if for sale before. >> >>Wouter >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------======= >>== >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------======= >>== >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------======= >>== >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonyb215033 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 3 20:38:17 2010 From: tonyb215033 at hotmail.com (Anthony Brown) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:38:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Before the year ends ... More 1000 ZXLs !! In-Reply-To: <53569826-FC1C-446C-9542-036361F94C78@peromarta.org> References: <53569826-FC1C-446C-9542-036361F94C78@peromarta.org> Message-ID: magnificent!!!!! tonyb........... From: luis at peromarta.org Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:44:51 +0100 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Before the year ends ... More 1000 ZXLs !! Not sure if this got trough. Sorry for any duplicates, best rgds, L. Dear friends, while some of your are certainly now in the new year, I still have some hour to go. Time enough to put up some new pages with info on the new 1000ZXL that just arrived yesterday. You can find my progress here: http://naks.es/1000ZXL-3.html Hope you enjoy the site - and the project. Before I go, I would like to wish you all a very happy new year, best regards from Madrid, Luis. -- Luis Peromarta DISCLAIMER: This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email, or any part of it, is strictly forbidden. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible SÉANADH: Is d’úsáid an duine/na ndaoine chuig a bhfuil sí seolta agus sin amháin atá an teachtaireacht seo. D’fhéadfadh go bhfuil faisnéis faoi phribhléid nó faoi rún de réir bhrí an dlí is infheidhme inti. Mura tusa an seolaí a bhí beartaithe, bí ar an eolas go bhfuair tú an ríomhphost seo de bharr earráide agus go bhfuil cosc iomlán ar an ríomhphost seo, nó aon chuid de, a úsáid, a scaipeadh, a chur ar aghaidh nó a chóipeáil. Má fuair tú an ríomhphost seo de bharr earráide, téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir chomh luath agus is féidir, le do thoil. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Tue Jan 5 09:29:35 2010 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:29:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestion / thoughts about actuator motor in In-Reply-To: <201001041127.o04B8g0V023374@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4A542FFD0009AD8C@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Hi DML, Your suggested option looks valid, but skipping one tooth will bring the motor to run exactly one turn over to reach the same position. Effectively the motor will be at rest in the same spot, invalidating the result. You could however try and fix the motor half a turn. The motor mounting is symmetric as I remember by heart, so I think this can be done. Being three commutor contacts inside, this will leave the rest point in a different spot. But the resting point of a stalled motor will be forced into the magnetic balance point, leaving the motor in a predetermined position still ! SO; what is to do next? 1: Run the motor for some time (possibly with a slightly high voltage). It might clean the contacts and will do the job. 2: Open up the motor, clean the contacts and polish everything well. This renews the motor and will do the job. My 2 Euro Cent. By the way: DID everybody see the marvelous report from Luis Peromarta on rebuilding the 1000 ZXL? Fantastic, this will wetten your appetite.... Best wishes for a new Nak year, Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:43:41 -0800 >From: DaLincerGuy >Subject: [naktalk] Suggestion / thoughts about actuator motor in > BX-300 and others >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: <4B40C93D.8000103 at comcast.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I purchased a BX-300 from eBay a few weeks ago, have cleaned it up and >with Willy's help >have gotten it working ... for while. > >It has gotten stuck again with the actuator motor unable to turn the cam > >to make the Sankyo mechanism >go into play or move at all. > >Thought: The cam mechanism goes back into the exact [almost] exact >same spot every time. That means >to me that the motor goes back into the same spot each time. > >However if I take the motor out and advance the gear _one tooth,_ the >motor will then come to rest in a new spot >hopefully bypassing the worst spot on the motor. Along the way, I would > >run the motor in as others have suggested, >just when putting the motor back in make sure it's aligned in a new way. > >Putting my 4 cents in. >DML > From resloat at comcast.net Tue Jan 5 16:28:51 2010 From: resloat at comcast.net (Robert E. Sloat) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:28:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Newbie and Liking It (BX-300 Is Up and Running Now) Message-ID: Folks-Over the holidays I was at a party hosted by a friend who is a sound engineer here in the Chicago area. His studio is impressive with all the computers, hard drives, balance boards and CD stuff. He does have a BX-100 which he uses for customers who send him tapes to be burned to CDs. He put me on to the Naktalk site. After a few days of lurking I got inspired about unpacking my beautiful BX-300 which I purchased new in 1985 from the HiFi Hutch in Mt. Prospect, IL USA. I really liked this machine and about 8 years ago it started acting up when playing tapes. It was packed away not having the courage to trash the old friend. A few weeks ago a belt and idler tire kit was installed. It was fun and fairly easy especially the drill of removing the idler wheel without even coming close to launching its nylon retaining washer. A thorough clean up, lubrication and demagnetizing followed. The BX-300 is up and runnig like new. I am enjoying the few tapes I kept and sorry about dumping the many Maxell 90 XL IIS cassettes tapes that I had. The BX-300 factory service manual was downloaded from Naktalk resources and I was able to make a minor adjustment to better balance the input level controls which from day one required the left channel slide to be about 1/4 lower than the right for recording. Side by sides listening to recorded CDs from the BX-300 on type II tapes on Dolby C really illustrate the competence of Nakamichi. On playback, only slight subtle differences between CDs and tapes. Now I've got to try to locate some good chrome and metal cassette tapes and get back to the ease of recording (for personal use only) from my records and CDs on to cassettes. I love this site, especially the broad range of folks on planet earth who are hung up in a good way on this remarkable retro technology. A Dragon might be in the future just to keep me busy and maintaining the legacy of one of the best ever technologies developed for cassette recording. Having legacy stuff also extends to cars. I have a beautiful 1986 944 Turbo Porsche (with a cassette deck having Dolby C and Metal tape settings) and there are a number of forums for it which I spend time on. The enthusiasm is not as high among those folks. Also, it is a little easier to fix and maintain a Nakamichi on my work bench. Work on the car generally requires getting out the car jack, dirtying clothes and body and a lot of muscle power. The Nak is as much fun, but cleaner. 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From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 17:58:11 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:58:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Suggestion / thoughts about actuator motor in In-Reply-To: <4A542FFD0009AD8C@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <656707.75716.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Schenk is right. The best way forward is to either open up the motor and polish it, or replace the motor. I prefer to go for the second option because opening up the motor is no fun! Getting the spring on the commutators to sit and travel linear is not easy. The Mabuchi motor used was fairly a common part in old VCRs and laser disc players. The last time I looked, I was able to find a number of these motors from salvaged drive mechanisms of Pioneer Laser Disc players. A new motor got my CR7 working perfect! Regards Bala --- On Tue, 1/5/10, ScHenk wrote: From: ScHenk Subject: [naktalk] Suggestion / thoughts about actuator motor in To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 4:29 PM Hi DML, Your suggested option looks valid, but skipping one tooth will bring the motor to run exactly one turn over to reach the same position. Effectively the motor will be at rest in the same spot, invalidating the result. You could however try and fix the motor half a turn. The motor mounting is symmetric as I remember by heart, so I think this can be done. Being three commutor contacts inside, this will leave the rest point in a different spot. But the resting point of a stalled motor will be forced into the magnetic balance point, leaving the motor in a predetermined position still ! SO; what is to do next? 1: Run the motor for some time (possibly with a slightly high voltage). It might clean the contacts and will do the job. 2: Open up the motor, clean the contacts and polish everything well. This renews the motor and will do the job. My 2 Euro Cent. By the way: DID everybody see the marvelous report from Luis Peromarta on rebuilding the 1000 ZXL? Fantastic, this will wetten your appetite.... Best wishes for a new Nak year, Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:43:41 -0800 >From: DaLincerGuy >Subject: [naktalk] Suggestion / thoughts about actuator motor in >    BX-300 and    others >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: <4B40C93D.8000103 at comcast.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I purchased a BX-300 from eBay a few weeks ago, have cleaned it up and >with Willy's help >have gotten it working ... for while. > >It has gotten stuck again with the actuator motor unable to turn the cam > >to make the Sankyo mechanism >go into play or move at all. > >Thought:   The cam mechanism goes back into the exact [almost] exact >same spot every time.   That means >to me that the motor goes back into the same spot each time. > >However if I take the motor out and advance the gear _one tooth,_  the >motor will then come to rest in a new spot >hopefully bypassing the worst spot on the motor.  Along the way, I would > >run the motor in as others have suggested, >just when putting the motor back in make sure it's aligned in a new way. > >Putting my 4 cents in. >DML >         ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dalincer at comcast.net Thu Jan 7 10:49:22 2010 From: dalincer at comcast.net (DaLincerGuy) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:49:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] More on Ruminations on actuator motor In-Reply-To: <201001061110.o06B92RA032390@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001061110.o06B92RA032390@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4B45AE22.5090707@comcast.net> I took the motor out last night and ran it with 9V battery for 10 mins in each direction. At first it definitely stuttered, and eventually ran nice and smooth. Cleaned the grease off the gears and reinstalled. Works great now, but notice a lot more noise on actuation. Questions: Has anybody actually taken one of these motors apart? Any hints... would rather not destroy the motor attempting to fix it. Once apart, I have tools to polish rotor and clean brushes. Do not like the use of DeOxit inside motor, neither designed for the other. Also just figured out that with the front plate out (2 screws) it takes exactly three more screws to take the motor completely loose, and on the BX-300 I do not even need to remove the whole mechanism.! Last thought: I see the "Cam Gear" moving forward and back along shaft now.... do not remember it moving before I took out the motor. Did I lose a spacer? Just not quite back in right? DML > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:29:35 +0100 > From: "ScHenk" > Subject: [naktalk] Suggestion / thoughts about actuator motor in > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <4A542FFD0009AD8C at mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi DML, > > Your suggested option looks valid, but skipping one tooth will bring the > motor to run exactly one turn over to reach the same position. Effectively > the motor will be at rest in the same spot, invalidating the result. > > You could however try and fix the motor half a turn. The motor mounting is > symmetric as I remember by heart, so I think this can be done. Being three > commutor contacts inside, this will leave the rest point in a different spot. > But the resting point of a stalled motor will be forced into the magnetic > balance point, leaving the motor in a predetermined position still ! > > SO; what is to do next? > 1: Run the motor for some time (possibly with a slightly high voltage). It > might clean the contacts and will do the job. > 2: Open up the motor, clean the contacts and polish everything well. This > renews the motor and will do the job. > > My 2 Euro Cent. > > By the way: DID everybody see the marvelous report from Luis Peromarta on > rebuilding the 1000 ZXL? Fantastic, this will wetten your appetite.... > > Best wishes for a new Nak year, > Henk Schenk > http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ > > > > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:43:41 -0800 >> From: DaLincerGuy >> Subject: [naktalk] Suggestion / thoughts about actuator motor in >> BX-300 and others >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: <4B40C93D.8000103 at comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I purchased a BX-300 from eBay a few weeks ago, have cleaned it up and >> with Willy's help >> have gotten it working ... for while. >> >> It has gotten stuck again with the actuator motor unable to turn the cam >> >> to make the Sankyo mechanism >> go into play or move at all. >> >> Thought: The cam mechanism goes back into the exact [almost] exact >> same spot every time. That means >> to me that the motor goes back into the same spot each time. >> >> However if I take the motor out and advance the gear _one tooth,_ the >> motor will then come to rest in a new spot >> hopefully bypassing the worst spot on the motor. Along the way, I would >> >> run the motor in as others have suggested, >> just when putting the motor back in make sure it's aligned in a new way. >> >> Putting my 4 cents in. >> DML >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4749 (20100106) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From bgg at nym.hush.com Thu Jan 7 15:38:11 2010 From: bgg at nym.hush.com (bgg at nym.hush.com) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:38:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? Message-ID: <20100107143811.3B54AB802B@smtp.hushmail.com> >I guess this is the eternal question. I can't remember how many >times it has been asked. ~ Luis Indeed it is the eternal question, but it still makes me laugh out loud (in a good way) to know that I belong to a community of people where one can say this and everyone pretty much agree. Oh the humanity. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 7 20:27:15 2010 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:27:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More on Ruminations on actuator motor In-Reply-To: <4B45AE22.5090707@comcast.net> References: <201001061110.o06B92RA032390@zxe.naks.com> <4B45AE22.5090707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee911001071127m257c3331gd696448a554b20d1@mail.gmail.com> Hi, 2010/1/7 DaLincerGuy > Cleaned the grease off the gears and reinstalled. Works great now, but > notice a lot more noise on actuation. > You could put back some new grease. Lithium grease should do. > Questions: > > Has anybody actually taken one of these motors apart? Any hints... would > rather not destroy the motor attempting to fix it. Once apart, I have > tools to polish rotor and clean > brushes. Do not like the use of DeOxit inside motor, neither designed for > the other. > The cam motor is quite easy to fix. To open it, just loosen the two tabs holding the nylon cover with a small flat screwdriver. Note the position between the nylon cap and the motor shell. If you place the cover backwards, the motor will run backwards. Pull out the worm gear and push on the shaft at the other end to loosen the nylon cap. When you pull the cover, it might bend the brushes a bit, but they can be pushed back to place. If there's a nylon ring on the end of the shaft next to the commutator, remove it. (I don't remember if there's one in the cam motor) Then, pull out the rotor and put the long end on a drill, don't tighten it too much or the shaft could be damaged. Don't put it too loose as the rotor might fall off. You can now burnish the commutator with 1000-2000 grit sanding paper while it spins on the drill. 1000-2000 grit can be used on the brushes as well, but they don't always need to be polished. Place back the O-ring on the rotor, and then the nylon cover. You can use small screwdrivers, needles or another small object to place the brushes correctly on the commutator. Put back the nylon cap + rotor in the motor shell. Don't hold the nylon cap too tightly while doing this, as the magnets will pull the rotor in the shell with quite a bit of strength. To close the tabs, there are different options : - Place the motor in a vise and push the tabs in with a large flat blade screwdriver. - Use needle nose pliers to squeeze in both tabs at the same time. Also just figured out that with the front plate out (2 screws) it takes > exactly three more screws > to take the motor completely loose, and on the BX-300 I do not even need to > remove the whole mechanism.! > > Last thought: I see the "Cam Gear" moving forward and back along shaft > now.... do not remember it moving > before I took out the motor. Did I lose a spacer? Just not quite back in > right? > Something is probably loose. P.S. DeoxIT will often fix the motor without even pulling it out of the transport. It won't cause problems in the long term. -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andre.sainderichin at telenet.be Fri Jan 8 17:51:12 2010 From: andre.sainderichin at telenet.be (=?ISO-8859-1?B?QW5kcuk=?= Sainderichin) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:51:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? In-Reply-To: <20100107143811.3B54AB802B@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: Well, I just got myself a CR7 for 175 euros (I have to admit, I'm not sure the seller knew what he was selling), and I'm having a ball. Years ago I just couldn't pay what they charged for one, and I decided to get me one now. Having scoured the web for information, I came to the conclusion that this model offers the best combination of quality and ease of use. I don't have a turntable in the office, so I use the Nak to make tapes of my LPs. Stunning. Like everyone, I guess, I compared the LP against the tape I just made. I know I can't hear the difference on my system (TD 124 into Linn into Monitor Audio). An iPod, anyone? Cheers André On 07/01/10 15:38, "bgg at nym.hush.com" wrote: > >> I guess this is the eternal question. I can't remember how many >> times it has been asked. ~ Luis > > Indeed it is the eternal question, but it still makes me laugh out > loud (in a good way) to know that I belong to a community of people > where one can say this and everyone pretty much agree. Oh the > humanity. > > From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 17:54:34 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:54:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? In-Reply-To: <201001081117.o08B8LCA032601@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001081117.o08B8LCA032601@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <158684.71118.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'd be curious (selfishly, I admit), if the 1000ZXL can outperform the 700ZXL. From what I understand the 1000ZXL's A.B.L.E is more functionally automatic than the 700ZXL? Maybe the heads on the 1000ZXL were hand selected as well, although I heard that happened for sure with the Limited. Kevin Message: 3 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:38:11 -0500 From: bgg at nym.hush.com Subject: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20100107143811.3B54AB802B at smtp.hushmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >I guess this is the eternal question. I can't remember how many >times it has been asked. ~ Luis Indeed it is the eternal question, but it still makes me laugh out loud (in a good way) to know that I belong to a community of people where one can say this and everyone pretty much agree. Oh the humanity. ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <20100107143811.3B54AB802B@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe@mail.gmail.com> I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I managed to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I need to fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't hear any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not metal, but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 with Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into (1985) Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more CDs but I find them a bit disappointing now.... Guy 2010/1/9 André Sainderichin > Well, I just got myself a CR7 for 175 euros (I have to admit, I'm not sure > the seller knew what he was selling), and I'm having a ball. Years ago I > just couldn't pay what they charged for one, and I decided to get me one > now. Having scoured the web for information, I came to the conclusion that > this model offers the best combination of quality and ease of use. I don't > have a turntable in the office, so I use the Nak to make tapes of my LPs. > Stunning. Like everyone, I guess, I compared the LP against the tape I just > made. I know I can't hear the difference on my system (TD 124 into Linn > into > Monitor Audio). > > An iPod, anyone? > > > Cheers > André > > > On 07/01/10 15:38, "bgg at nym.hush.com" wrote: > > > > >> I guess this is the eternal question. I can't remember how many > >> times it has been asked. ~ Luis > > > > Indeed it is the eternal question, but it still makes me laugh out > > loud (in a good way) to know that I belong to a community of people > > where one can say this and everyone pretty much agree. Oh the > > humanity. > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at guyfacey.com Sat Jan 9 17:13:58 2010 From: mail at guyfacey.com (Guy Facey) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:13:58 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? In-Reply-To: <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100107143811.3B54AB802B@smtp.hushmail.com> <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <706b68391001090813r1eeccf7dp853c6ab4b38581ff@mail.gmail.com> Oops - I meant BX300 - its' still in the box and I need to get it happy again! Guy 2010/1/10 Guy Facey > I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I > managed to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I > need to fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I > couldn't hear any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape > (ferric, not metal, but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger > then (I was 32). > > I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do > things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? > > By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 with > Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into (1985) > Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is > knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more CDs > but I find them a bit disappointing now.... > Guy > > 2010/1/9 André Sainderichin > > Well, I just got myself a CR7 for 175 euros (I have to admit, I'm not sure >> the seller knew what he was selling), and I'm having a ball. Years ago I >> just couldn't pay what they charged for one, and I decided to get me one >> now. Having scoured the web for information, I came to the conclusion that >> this model offers the best combination of quality and ease of use. I don't >> have a turntable in the office, so I use the Nak to make tapes of my LPs. >> Stunning. Like everyone, I guess, I compared the LP against the tape I >> just >> made. I know I can't hear the difference on my system (TD 124 into Linn >> into >> Monitor Audio). >> >> An iPod, anyone? >> >> >> Cheers >> André >> >> >> On 07/01/10 15:38, "bgg at nym.hush.com" wrote: >> >> > >> >> I guess this is the eternal question. I can't remember how many >> >> times it has been asked. ~ Luis >> > >> > Indeed it is the eternal question, but it still makes me laugh out >> > loud (in a good way) to know that I belong to a community of people >> > where one can say this and everyone pretty much agree. 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In-Reply-To: <158684.71118.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <905722.38408.qm@web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kevin, I have compared a 700ZXL serviced by ANdy Pena of this forum and my stock 1000ZXL and the 1000 was tighter is the lower frequencies and much smoother wide spread sound and greater transparency. Now I never did what Luis has with the technical set up he has. The 700ZXls sound is quite good, sharp ( almost like a Revox B215) but the bass was a tad lacking compared to the 1000 or even the 680/682 zx decks. I ended up selling it for a song on ebay......but regret it now. The 700ZXL has preset bias points as you are expected to select the tape type prior to calibration. Also the calibrating frequencies are at three points rather than the four used with the 1000ZXL, which has no tape selector switch at all and every tape I presume starts off from scratch while calibrating? Luis may we see some day a video of a Dragon Vs a 1000ZXL please? Regards, Ram --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 11:54 AM I'd be curious (selfishly, I admit), if the 1000ZXL can outperform the 700ZXL. From what I understand the 1000ZXL's A.B.L.E is more functionally automatic than the 700ZXL? Maybe the heads on the 1000ZXL were hand selected as well, although I heard that happened for sure with the Limited. Kevin Message: 3 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:38:11 -0500 From: bgg at nym.hush.com Subject: [naktalk] >  1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20100107143811.3B54AB802B at smtp.hushmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >I guess this is the eternal question. 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URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Sun Jan 10 09:39:14 2010 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:39:14 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Ebaman manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After repeated attempts to access a DR2 service manual from the Ebaman site, I concede defeat. I find the manual I need, am prompted to log in, but each time I log in I am taken to another page ('User Details') welcoming me to the registered user area of the site. This means I have to then to back to the page where the manual is, and am then prompted to log in again. This happens repeatedly. There seems no way to defeat it.Am I going crazy? Bernard White P.S. Actually I'm after a DR 10 manual, but can't find one anywhere; I'm assuming the DR 2 is pretty much the same. _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to manage all your online stuff? Download the new Windows Live http://download.live.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sun Jan 10 09:47:25 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:47:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? References: Message-ID: Congrats to a real bargain! A couple of years ago I bought a Dragon and a 680ZX for approx 180 euro! Thats also a "nice price"! Enjoy your CR-7/Pelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "André Sainderichin" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? > Well, I just got myself a CR7 for 175 euros (I have to admit, I'm not sure > the seller knew what he was selling), and I'm having a ball. Years ago I > just couldn't pay what they charged for one, and I decided to get me one > now. Having scoured the web for information, I came to the conclusion that > this model offers the best combination of quality and ease of use. I don't > have a turntable in the office, so I use the Nak to make tapes of my LPs. > Stunning. Like everyone, I guess, I compared the LP against the tape I > just > made. I know I can't hear the difference on my system (TD 124 into Linn > into > Monitor Audio). > > An iPod, anyone? > > > Cheers > André > > > On 07/01/10 15:38, "bgg at nym.hush.com" wrote: > >> >>> I guess this is the eternal question. I can't remember how many >>> times it has been asked. ~ Luis >> >> Indeed it is the eternal question, but it still makes me laugh out >> loud (in a good way) to know that I belong to a community of people >> where one can say this and everyone pretty much agree. Oh the >> humanity. >> >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Sun Jan 10 16:23:48 2010 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:23:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ruminations on actuator motor In-Reply-To: <201001081126.o08B8LCB032601@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4A542FFD000A00C9@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Hello DLG, Once more (Antoine was ahead of me); taking apart the motor and repairing it is no Rocket Science. It is rather easy, but the first time you will learn with a possible risk of damage. BUT: after your running in of the motor it might be as good as ever. Just go and use the deck and see. Now for one of the more ethereal solutions; Master of Nakamichi in Holland (Tom van 't Hof) appears to have treaten the illness differently, so I heard from one of his clients. He openened the front of the unit and put it the play position (with help if needed, because the commando motor fails). When the head block was fully lifted, he would put a block between the chassis and the head block to fix it into the upmost position and even slightly higher. After that he shortened some connector on the commando logic to set the commando motor into continious motion end left it for 10 minutes. Job Done! I have never completely copied this trick but I did notice when you shorten one of the three leaf switches the motor will run contuniously, flipping the head block up and down permanently. Because of the wear on the head block mech you can avoid its movement with the fixing block. Anyone of the Guru's use this trick? Good listening to the cams, Henk Schenk >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:49:22 -0800 >From: DaLincerGuy >Subject: [naktalk] More on Ruminations on actuator motor >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: <4B45AE22.5090707 at comcast.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >I took the motor out last night and ran it with 9V battery for 10 mins >in each direction. > >At first it definitely stuttered, and eventually ran nice and smooth. > >Cleaned the grease off the gears and reinstalled. Works great now, but >notice a lot more noise on actuation. > >Questions: > >Has anybody actually taken one of these motors apart? >Any hints... would rather not destroy the motor attempting to fix it. >Once apart, I have tools to polish rotor and clean >brushes. Do not like the use of DeOxit inside motor, neither designed >for the other. > >> Best wishes for a new Nak year, >> Henk Schenk >> http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 11 03:53:01 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:53:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ebaman manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562c425157987eb0ae7095eac8c8a46b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Try the wiki: http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents > > After repeated attempts to access a DR2 service manual from the Ebaman > site, I concede defeat. I find the manual I need, am prompted to log in, > but each time I log in I am taken to another page ('User Details') > welcoming me to the registered user area of the site. This means I have to > then to back to the page where the manual is, and am then prompted to log > in again. This happens repeatedly. There seems no way to defeat it.Am I > going crazy? > Bernard White > P.S. Actually I'm after a DR 10 manual, but can't find one anywhere; I'm > assuming the DR 2 is pretty much the same. > > From dalincer at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 07:23:07 2010 From: dalincer at comcast.net (DaLincerGuy) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:23:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD In-Reply-To: <201001101110.o0AB8ssn002459@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001101110.o0AB8ssn002459@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4B4AC3CB.2000402@comcast.net> Guy & Co; I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. Here is what I have worked out so far: ** I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my motherboard. Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio there are plenty of others to choose from. ** I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my system. After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one USB controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files. I like this program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. ** I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or WAV Lossless) to store the data as good as I can keep. As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. Hope this helps you get started > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 > From: Guy Facey > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I managed > to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I need to > fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't hear > any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not metal, > but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). > > I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do > things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? > > By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 with > Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into (1985) > Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is > knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more CDs > but I find them a bit disappointing now.... > Guy > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4759 (20100110) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From bernardsda at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 07:29:34 2010 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:29:34 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Ebaman manuals - Thanks, Wouter In-Reply-To: <562c425157987eb0ae7095eac8c8a46b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: , , <562c425157987eb0ae7095eac8c8a46b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Thanks so much, Wouter. Success at last. I wasn't familiar with the wiki, somehow.Sincere thanks to those who have uploaded such things. Bernard _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to manage all your online stuff? Download the new Windows Live http://download.live.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jan 11 14:42:40 2010 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:42:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Ruminations on actuator motor In-Reply-To: <4A542FFD000A00C9@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <201001081126.o08B8LCB032601@zxe.naks.com> <4A542FFD000A00C9@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <17d5ee911001110542k4e1f80a1s11f0c7ada8d19f03@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Sankyo transports have two large connectors going to the main PCB. If you disconnect the wire harness that connects the cam switch to the main PCB, the cam motor will still be connected to the deck through the other connector (all the motors use this one I think). You might have to power cycle the deck or something. Lifting the head block probably helps, but I don't know if the electronics will handle the stress for 10 minutes. The cam motor is normally used 1/2 seconds at the time. -- Antoine Deschênes 2010/1/10 ScHenk > Hello DLG, > > Once more (Antoine was ahead of me); taking apart the motor and repairing > it is no Rocket Science. It is rather easy, but the first time you will > learn > with a possible risk of damage. > > BUT: after your running in of the motor it might be as good as ever. Just > go and use the deck and see. > > Now for one of the more ethereal solutions; > Master of Nakamichi in Holland (Tom van 't Hof) appears to have treaten the > illness differently, so I heard from one of his clients. He openened the > front of the unit and put it the play position (with help if needed, > because > the commando motor fails). When the head block was fully lifted, he would > put a block between the chassis and the head block to fix it into the > upmost > position and even slightly higher. After that he shortened some connector > on the commando logic to set the commando motor into continious motion end > left it for 10 minutes. Job Done! > I have never completely copied this trick but I did notice when you shorten > one of the three leaf switches the motor will run contuniously, flipping > the head block up and down permanently. Because of the wear on the head > block > mech you can avoid its movement with the fixing block. > > > Anyone of the Guru's use this trick? > > Good listening to the cams, > Henk Schenk > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:49:22 -0800 > >From: DaLincerGuy > >Subject: [naktalk] More on Ruminations on actuator motor > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Message-ID: <4B45AE22.5090707 at comcast.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >I took the motor out last night and ran it with 9V battery for 10 mins > >in each direction. > > > >At first it definitely stuttered, and eventually ran nice and smooth. > > > >Cleaned the grease off the gears and reinstalled. Works great now, but > > >notice a lot more noise on actuation. > > > >Questions: > > > >Has anybody actually taken one of these motors apart? > >Any hints... would rather not destroy the motor attempting to fix it. > > >Once apart, I have tools to polish rotor and clean > >brushes. Do not like the use of DeOxit inside motor, neither designed > > >for the other. > > > >> Best wishes for a new Nak year, > >> Henk Schenk > >> http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Mon Jan 11 17:44:16 2010 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:44:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Used Maxell XLII 90s Message-ID: <380-220101111164416238@M2W125.mail2web.com> Hi I have a couple stacks of gently-used/non-smoking environment/seldom played Maxell XL-II 90s. Asking $25 for each batch of 50 XL-II 90. Price includes postage and careful packing. thanks mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 17:57:09 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:57:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? In-Reply-To: <201001111117.o0BB8fik030908@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001111117.o0BB8fik030908@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <507396.78511.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Ram, Thanks for the clarification. Do you think the difference in sound comes from selected heads on the 1000ZXL, some different circuitry...or both? I realize there probably has to be a difference in sound as well, (not just some features)-hence the two models and price difference when new. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <905722.38408.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, I have compared a 700ZXL serviced by ANdy Pena of this forum and my stock 1000ZXL and the 1000 was tighter is the lower frequencies and much smoother wide spread sound and greater transparency. Now I never did what Luis has with the technical set up he has. The 700ZXls sound is quite good, sharp ( almost like a Revox B215) but the bass was a tad lacking compared to the 1000 or even the 680/682 zx decks. I ended up selling it for a song on ebay......but regret it now. The 700ZXL has preset bias points as you are expected to select the tape type prior to calibration. Also the calibrating frequencies are at three points rather than the four used with the 1000ZXL, which has no tape selector switch at all and every tape I presume starts off from scratch while calibrating? Luis may we see some day a video of a Dragon Vs a 1000ZXL please? Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solexny at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 18:30:27 2010 From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:30:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD In-Reply-To: <4B4AC3CB.2000402@comcast.net> References: <201001101110.o0AB8ssn002459@zxe.naks.com> <4B4AC3CB.2000402@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44ae93bf1001110930m7fad4a0fx41f9f52e2cf9070a@mail.gmail.com> If I may I would also like to recommend Edirol UA-1X with Audacity as a low cost solution with excellent results. This also assumes you have a decent preamp... Dan On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:23 AM, DaLincerGuy wrote: > Guy & Co; > > I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. > > Here is what I have worked out so far: > > **  I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my > motherboard.   Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio  there are plenty of >  others to choose from. > > **  I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my > system.   After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one USB > controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). > > ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture > programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH >    along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files.   I like this > program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. > > **  I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or WAV > Lossless)   to store the data as good as I can keep. > > As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the > task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. > > Hope this helps you get started > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 >> From: Guy Facey >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >>        <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I >> managed >> to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I need >> to >> fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't >> hear >> any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not >> metal, >> but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). >> >> I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do >> things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? >> >> By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 >> with >> Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into (1985) >> Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is >> knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more >> CDs >> but I find them a bit disappointing now.... >> Guy >> >> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4759 (20100110) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From abnorm at wiretap.be Mon Jan 11 23:53:14 2010 From: abnorm at wiretap.be (Norm Tallant) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:53:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD In-Reply-To: <4B4AC3CB.2000402@comcast.net> References: <201001101110.o0AB8ssn002459@zxe.naks.com> <4B4AC3CB.2000402@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000c01ca9310$dbc8f320$935ad960$@wiretap.be> > Guy & Co; > > I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. I purchased my BX-300 for exactly the same purpose! :) Since I moonlight as a musician I use (until tomorrow, anyways) a MOTU 828 MKII as an audio interface and I use Steinberg Wavelab 6 to capture the audio. Though it has some automatic settings for cutting up the tracks, I do them manually so that I can control the "flow." Same goes for vinyl; I use a Technics 1200 MKII into a vintage consumer model NAD receiver and from there into the MOTU. Tomorrow I pick up my new M-Audio Profire 2626... I can't wait to rip tapes and vinyls into higher bitrate FLACs! :) All the best, -Norm From timpamsepper at cox.net Tue Jan 12 03:42:34 2010 From: timpamsepper at cox.net (Tim and Pam Sepper) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:42:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD Message-ID: <005001ca9330$e50b0b60$af212220$@net> Guy, I simply use a cable to connect the Nak output to the computer sound card input. For software I use Roxio Creator 10. There is a new 2010 version. In this suite of programs is a very cool and easy Roxio LP and Tape Assistant to digital converter. After it records to WAV (or whatever you choose) you can then edit the various track dividers and name each track however you like. It also has hiss and pop reducer. Then I have it convert to MP3 and I delete the WAV to save hard drive space. Pretty easy stuff. I'm sure you could do better, but my non-audiofile golden ears tell me it is just fine! Tim Sepper Guy & Co; I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. Here is what I have worked out so far: ** I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my motherboard. Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio there are plenty of others to choose from. ** I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my system. After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one USB controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files. I like this program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. ** I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or WAV Lossless) to store the data as good as I can keep. As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. Hope this helps you get started > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 > From: Guy Facey > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks at naks.com > > Message-ID: > <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I managed > to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I need to > fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't hear > any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not metal, > but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). > > I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do > things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? > > By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 with > Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into (1985) > Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is > knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more CDs > but I find them a bit disappointing now.... > Guy > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elger.jonker at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:34:31 2010 From: elger.jonker at gmail.com (Elger Jonker) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:34:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 Message-ID: Hi Guys, I'm new to the world of Nakamichi, and i'm enjoying the old-school luxury. The reason for diving into Nakamichi was a desire to digitize cassettes. I bought the LX-3 with the remote, a pile of manuals and folders (yes, containing prices and in good condition) for 100 euro. The device works great, playback speed is accurate but since i'm a total noob; i've got a few questions. This would be the only place someone could give a meaningful answer, so here we go: I found out setting azymuth highly influences high-levels. Now i'm wondering; do these high-levels go over the top; or do they actually represent what is on the tape? There seem to be a few notions that cassettes can't reproduce highs; but for these radio recordings they are present. My question; is this representation realistic or should I re-adjust azymuth again? Here are some recordings: http://elgerjonker.nl/rave/ (try the 1 hour mix, this is a radio recording containing house/dance music). Please do not leak this link or publish it outside of this list; i don't want bad recordings of this floating around on the net. Another question; the LX-3 seems to make noise when playing nothing. Pushing play, without a cassette, results in a humming noise (not 50hz). Is this normal? Could this be reduced with some tricks? Would other naks have this? Am i being too sensitive about this? All recordings where made on a technics recorder. I'm trying to get the best of these recordings. They are rare, and have to sound great from the source. My hopes are that someone on this list can help me out here. Regards, Elger From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:37:06 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:37:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? In-Reply-To: <507396.78511.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <201001111117.o0BB8fik030908@zxe.naks.com> <507396.78511.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kevin. I think the ZXL sound comes from the precise equalizer calibration in the 1000 ZXL. Back in 1980; do you think there is a cheap way to select this many heads for all the build 1000 ZXL? It would be the much better idea or lets say the japanese way, to make all heads in the best quality, Even the did give this heads " only in a ZX680 or in all this Decks. The idea in this days was to sell the ZX-680 Series less expensive with less electronics, but very close sound to the 1000ZXL. If the would feed the 1000ZXL with better heads, there would be no way to reach them with any other, cheaper, Deck. Every Japanese ing. would not put a less perfect working heads in any Deck ! I did tray out a lot ZX-9 and ZX-7, If the are in perfect shape. the sound as same. It would be not possible if the ZX-9 has better heads in any way! kind regards, and good sounding LP,s on Cassette ! Gerhard Am 11.01.2010 um 17:57 schrieb Kevin Fetner: > Ram, > Thanks for the clarification. Do you think the difference in sound > comes from selected heads on the 1000ZXL, some different > circuitry...or both? I realize there probably has to be a > difference in sound as well, (not just some features)-hence the two > models and price difference when new. > > Kevin > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <905722.38408.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Kevin, > > I have compared a 700ZXL serviced by ANdy Pena of this forum and my > stock 1000ZXL and the 1000 was tighter is the lower frequencies and > much smoother wide spread sound and greater transparency. Now I > never did what Luis has with the technical set up he has. > > The 700ZXls sound is quite good, sharp ( almost like a Revox B215) > but the bass was a tad lacking compared to the 1000 or even the > 680/682 zx decks. > > I ended up selling it for a song on ebay......but regret it now. > > The 700ZXL has preset bias points as you are expected to select the > tape type prior to calibration. Also the calibrating frequencies > are at three points rather than the four used with the 1000ZXL, > which has no tape selector switch at all and every tape I presume > starts off from scratch while calibrating? > > Luis may we see some day a video of a Dragon Vs a 1000ZXL please? > > Regards, > Ram > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Jan 13 11:01:42 2010 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:01:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? In-Reply-To: References: <201001111117.o0BB8fik030908@zxe.naks.com> <507396.78511.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301ca9437$6ab3c980$401b5c80$@com> IMO the only objective way to compare performance is on the basis of technical measurement, i.e. which has the better w/f or s/n. Everything else - such as "sound quality" - is just a matter of opinion, and we all have our own! And then even technical measurements will differ between the same model machines because they will be in variable shape in terms of wear and tear, and calibration because of their age. So, if you are wondering which you should buy, my suggestion would be to buy both and then sell the one you like the least. That is what I did when I obtained a freshly tuned excellent CR7 (from one of our members) to compare with my also freshly tuned (by B&W) ZX9. I kept the ZX9, not because it was "better" than the CR7 but simply because I preferred how it sounded given the amp and speakers I was using at the time. I might feel differently now I am using a tube amp (previously, I was using a PAS2 design pre-amp with mono Quad 405's) but I am not of a mind to change again as I find it hard enough to justify having the decks because I don't use them enough. (I have a ZX9, Arcam Alpha 100, Pioneer CTS 830S and a Marantz C320 portable recorder, all working very nicely although the latter three have not been serviced for a very long time, if at all. I also have a couple of old early generation, 2-head Aiwa's, one of them having once been the flagship model in the UK at the time I bought it, but they are not in working order - I really ought to junk them!) Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 16:47:25 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:47:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? In-Reply-To: <507396.78511.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <34754.74390.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kevin, It must have something to do with the post head electronics and the pre head( calibration cpu) electronics in it. The 4 frequency calibration and the EQ calibration fo recording might have something to do with it too. As a package, the 1000ZXL is yet to be beat by another deck in terms of sheer sound quality. That includes Dragons/ CR7s and the earlier ZX series superb decks. By the time Naks reached the 680series decks, Nakamichi research had perfected the transport, heads and electronics so much so that they were years ahead of the other players in the field. This culminated into the 1000ZXL and the cheaper 700ZXL as a showcase for all cassette lovers to hear! >From this time CDs began competing with LPs and tapes and the later models IMHO were tweaked to achieve a sound that was a tad less bassy, more trebly and "tinny" as in the Dragon and later the CR7, both of which again are superb decks! The ZX7/ZX9 series do not exhibit this tinniness and they can be very close sounding to the ZXL decks. Just my 2 cents.:)) Ram --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 11:57 AM Ram, Thanks for the clarification. Do you think the difference in sound comes from selected heads on the 1000ZXL, some different circuitry...or both? I realize there probably has to be a difference in sound as well, (not just some features)-hence the two models and price difference when new. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <905722.38408.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, I have compared a 700ZXL serviced by ANdy Pena of this forum and my stock 1000ZXL and the 1000 was tighter is the lower frequencies and much smoother wide spread sound and greater transparency. Now I never did what Luis has with the technical set up he has. The 700ZXls sound is quite good, sharp ( almost like a Revox B215) but the bass was a tad lacking compared to the 1000 or even the 680/682 zx decks. I ended up selling it for a song on ebay......but regret it now. The 700ZXL has preset bias points as you are expected to select the tape type prior to calibration. Also the calibrating frequencies are at three points rather than the four used with the 1000ZXL, which has no tape selector switch at all and every tape I presume starts off from scratch while calibrating? Luis may we see some day a video of a Dragon Vs a 1000ZXL please? Regards, Ram -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Tue Jan 12 18:06:45 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:06:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have no factual information about Nakamichi's head selection process, but it is logical to assume that two parameters were tested for PLAY heads: 1. Best high frequency response. Optical microscopes are used to evaluate gap uniformity and perpendicularity. 2. Maximum output level. Heads with higher output have lower noise. Record heads might be selected by measuring inductance, which would yield the flattest record frequency response in the midrange. I believe any other tests would involve installation in a transport. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? Hi Kevin. I think the ZXL sound comes from the precise equalizer calibration in the 1000 ZXL. Back in 1980; do you think there is a cheap way to select this many heads for all the build 1000 ZXL? It would be the much better idea or lets say the japanese way, to make all heads in the best quality, Even the did give this heads " only in a ZX680 or in all this Decks. The idea in this days was to sell the ZX-680 Series less expensive with less electronics, but very close sound to the 1000ZXL. If the would feed the 1000ZXL with better heads, there would be no way to reach them with any other, cheaper, Deck. Every Japanese ing. would not put a less perfect working heads in any Deck ! I did tray out a lot ZX-9 and ZX-7, If the are in perfect shape. the sound as same. It would be not possible if the ZX-9 has better heads in any way! kind regards, and good sounding LP,s on Cassette ! Gerhard Am 11.01.2010 um 17:57 schrieb Kevin Fetner: Ram, Thanks for the clarification. Do you think the difference in sound comes from selected heads on the 1000ZXL, some different circuitry...or both? I realize there probably has to be a difference in sound as well, (not just some features)-hence the two models and price difference when new. Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <905722.38408.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, I have compared a 700ZXL serviced by ANdy Pena of this forum and my stock 1000ZXL and the 1000 was tighter is the lower frequencies and much smoother wide spread sound and greater transparency. Now I never did what Luis has with the technical set up he has. The 700ZXls sound is quite good, sharp ( almost like a Revox B215) but the bass was a tad lacking compared to the 1000 or even the 680/682 zx decks. I ended up selling it for a song on ebay......but regret it now. The 700ZXL has preset bias points as you are expected to select the tape type prior to calibration. Also the calibrating frequencies are at three points rather than the four used with the 1000ZXL, which has no tape selector switch at all and every tape I presume starts off from scratch while calibrating? Luis may we see some day a video of a Dragon Vs a 1000ZXL please? Regards, Ram ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ?> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks  > Message-ID:>       <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I managed> to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I need to> fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't hear> any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not metal,> but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32).>> I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do> things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone?>> By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 with> Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into (1985)> Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is> knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more CDs> but I find them a bit disappointing now....> Guy>>   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 17:53:46 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:53:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <962311.51611.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > I found out setting azymuth highly influences high-levels. Now i'm > wondering; do these high-levels go over the top; or do they actually > represent what is on the tape? The PB azimuth adjustment has an optimal point. Changing the adjustment to either side of that point will reduce high frequency output, even though those frequencies still exist on the tape. IOW, PB azimuth adjustment is correct when the best possible high frequenecy response is obtained. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Elger Jonker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 5:34:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 Hi Guys, I'm new to the world of Nakamichi, and i'm enjoying the old-school luxury. The reason for diving into Nakamichi was a desire to digitize cassettes. I bought the LX-3 with the remote, a pile of manuals and folders (yes, containing prices and in good condition) for 100 euro. The device works great, playback speed is accurate but since i'm a total noob; i've got a few questions. This would be the only place someone could give a meaningful answer, so here we go: I found out setting azymuth highly influences high-levels. Now i'm wondering; do these high-levels go over the top; or do they actually represent what is on the tape? There seem to be a few notions that cassettes can't reproduce highs; but for these radio recordings they are present. My question; is this representation realistic or should I re-adjust azymuth again? Here are some recordings: http://elgerjonker.nl/rave/ (try the 1 hour mix, this is a radio recording containing house/dance music). Please do not leak this link or publish it outside of this list; i don't want bad recordings of this floating around on the net. Another question; the LX-3 seems to make noise when playing nothing. Pushing play, without a cassette, results in a humming noise (not 50hz). Is this normal? Could this be reduced with some tricks? Would other naks have this? Am i being too sensitive about this? All recordings where made on a technics recorder. I'm trying to get the best of these recordings. They are rare, and have to sound great from the source. My hopes are that someone on this list can help me out here. Regards, Elger ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 18:23:15 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? In-Reply-To: <000301ca9437$6ab3c980$401b5c80$@com> References: <201001111117.o0BB8fik030908@zxe.naks.com> <507396.78511.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <000301ca9437$6ab3c980$401b5c80$@com> Message-ID: <533832.12196.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Excellent point, Graham. I found that there was a subtle timbral difference between the CR-5 or CR7 to other high end Nakamichi decks. I wouldn't say either was 'better', just different. The CR-7 was a tad more 'accurate', or 'analytic' while the Dragon, say, was 'warmer' (I didn't listen to the 1000ZXL at the time -- it was out of my price range) . Even the best of transducers (such as speakers, microphones,tape heads, and phono cartridges) have a specific sonic signature that is difficult to characterize by specs. To make a valid purchasing decision of such components, one must carefully listen and compare. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Graham A Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 5:01:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? IMO the only objective way to compare performance is on the basis of technical measurement, i.e. which has the better w/f or s/n. Everything else – such as “sound quality” – is just a matter of opinion, and we all have our own! And then even technical measurements will differ between the same model machines because they will be in variable shape in terms of wear and tear, and calibration because of their age. So, if you are wondering which you should buy, my suggestion would be to buy both and then sell the one you like the least. That is what I did when I obtained a freshly tuned excellent CR7 (from one of our members) to compare with my also freshly tuned (by B&W) ZX9. I kept the ZX9, not because it was “better” than the CR7 but simply because I preferred how it sounded given the amp and speakers I was using at the time. I might feel differently now I am using a tube amp (previously, I was using a PAS2 design pre-amp with mono Quad 405’s) but I am not of a mind to change again as I find it hard enough to justify having the decks because I don’t use them enough. (I have a ZX9, Arcam Alpha 100, Pioneer CTS 830S and a Marantz C320 portable recorder, all working very nicely although the latter three have not been serviced for a very long time, if at all. I also have a couple of old early generation, 2-head Aiwa’s, one of them having once been the flagship model in the UK at the time I bought it, but they are not in working order – I really ought to junk them!) Gra’ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Wed Jan 13 19:34:53 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:34:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? In-Reply-To: <34754.74390.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ram, That "tinny" sound might also be a response to the acceptance of SA-X and UD-XL2-S. My impression is that the 'flat" tape formulations saw sales drop. Those CR7 modifications and the limited Dragon adjustments produce a less flat response with these special tapes. Ruler flat response with SA was a Nak hallmark for many years, so the upward tilt of mid-treble out to be obvious to experienced listeners. How flat is the 1000ZXL when comparing SA to SA-X after calibration? tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:47 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? Kevin, It must have something to do with the post head electronics and the pre head( calibration cpu) electronics in it. The 4 frequency calibration and the EQ calibration fo recording might have something to do with it too. As a package, the 1000ZXL is yet to be beat by another deck in terms of sheer sound quality. That includes Dragons/ CR7s and the earlier ZX series superb decks. By the time Naks reached the 680series decks, Nakamichi research had perfected the transport, heads and electronics so much so that they were years ahead of the other players in the field. This culminated into the 1000ZXL and the cheaper 700ZXL as a showcase for all cassette lovers to hear! From this time CDs began competing with LPs and tapes and the later models IMHO were tweaked to achieve a sound that was a tad less bassy, more trebly and "tinny" as in the Dragon and later the CR7, both of which again are superb decks! The ZX7/ZX9 series do not exhibit this tinniness and they can be very close sounding to the ZXL decks. Just my 2 cents.:)) Ram --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 11:57 AM Ram, Thanks for the clarification. Do you think the difference in sound comes from selected heads on the 1000ZXL, some different circuitry...or both? I realize there probably has to be a difference in sound as well, (not just some features)-hence the two models and price difference when new. Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <905722.38408.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, I have compared a 700ZXL serviced by ANdy Pena of this forum and my stock 1000ZXL and the 1000 was tighter is the lower frequencies and much smoother wide spread sound and greater transparency. Now I never did what Luis has with the technical set up he has. The 700ZXls sound is quite good, sharp ( almost like a Revox B215) but the bass was a tad lacking compared to the 1000 or even the 680/682 zx decks. I ended up selling it for a song on ebay......but regret it now. The 700ZXL has preset bias points as you are expected to select the tape type prior to calibration. Also the calibrating frequencies are at three points rather than the four used with the 1000ZXL, which has no tape selector switch at all and every tape I presume starts off from scratch while calibrating? Luis may we see some day a video of a Dragon Vs a 1000ZXL please? Regards, Ram -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From generic at voivod.net Wed Jan 13 21:46:32 2010 From: generic at voivod.net (YJ) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:46:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E Service Manual References: <201001121127.o0CBPetP018978@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <007601ca9491$7d7f6470$6700a8c0@ncore1> Could someone be so kind and upload the BX-300E service manual to hotfile I've tried registering to the ebaman website about 10 times using two different browsers and the website just won't take my registration.. no error message given Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:27 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 10 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Recording from Nak to CD (DaLincerGuy) > 2. RE: Ebaman manuals - Thanks, Wouter (Bernard White) > 3. Re: Ruminations on actuator motor (Antoine Desch?nes) > 4. Used Maxell XLII 90s (mfallon at windstream.net) > 5. RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? (Kevin Fetner) > 6. Re: Recording from Nak to CD (Dan Moy) > 7. RE: Recording from Nak to CD (Norm Tallant) > 8. Recording from Nak to CD (Tim and Pam Sepper) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:23:07 -0800 > From: DaLincerGuy > Subject: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <4B4AC3CB.2000402 at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Guy & Co; > > I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. > > Here is what I have worked out so far: > > ** I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my > motherboard. Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio there are plenty > of others to choose from. > > ** I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my > system. After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one > USB controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). > > ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture > programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH > along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files. I like > this program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. > > ** I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or > WAV Lossless) to store the data as good as I can keep. > > As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the > task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. > > Hope this helps you get started > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 >> From: Guy Facey >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I >> managed >> to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I need >> to >> fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't >> hear >> any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not >> metal, >> but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). >> >> I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do >> things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? >> >> By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 >> with >> Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into >> (1985) >> Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is >> knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more >> CDs >> but I find them a bit disappointing now.... >> Guy >> >> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4759 (20100110) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:29:34 +1300 > From: Bernard White > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Ebaman manuals - Thanks, Wouter > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Thanks so much, Wouter. Success at last. I wasn't familiar with the wiki, > somehow.Sincere thanks to those who have uploaded such things. > Bernard > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a place to manage all your online stuff? Download the new > Windows Live > http://download.live.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/a39fb4e2/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:42:40 -0500 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ruminations on actuator motor > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <17d5ee911001110542k4e1f80a1s11f0c7ada8d19f03 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > Sankyo transports have two large connectors going to the main PCB. If you > disconnect the wire harness that connects the cam switch to the main PCB, > the cam motor will still be connected to the deck through the other > connector (all the motors use this one I think). You might have to power > cycle the deck or something. > > Lifting the head block probably helps, but I don't know if the electronics > will handle the stress for 10 minutes. The cam motor is normally used 1/2 > seconds at the time. > > -- Antoine Deschênes > > > 2010/1/10 ScHenk > >> Hello DLG, >> >> Once more (Antoine was ahead of me); taking apart the motor and repairing >> it is no Rocket Science. It is rather easy, but the first time you will >> learn >> with a possible risk of damage. >> >> BUT: after your running in of the motor it might be as good as ever. Just >> go and use the deck and see. >> >> Now for one of the more ethereal solutions; >> Master of Nakamichi in Holland (Tom van 't Hof) appears to have treaten >> the >> illness differently, so I heard from one of his clients. He openened the >> front of the unit and put it the play position (with help if needed, >> because >> the commando motor fails). When the head block was fully lifted, he would >> put a block between the chassis and the head block to fix it into the >> upmost >> position and even slightly higher. After that he shortened some connector >> on the commando logic to set the commando motor into continious motion >> end >> left it for 10 minutes. Job Done! >> I have never completely copied this trick but I did notice when you >> shorten >> one of the three leaf switches the motor will run contuniously, flipping >> the head block up and down permanently. Because of the wear on the head >> block >> mech you can avoid its movement with the fixing block. >> >> >> Anyone of the Guru's use this trick? >> >> Good listening to the cams, >> Henk Schenk >> >> >------------------------------ >> > >> >Message: 2 >> >Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:49:22 -0800 >> >From: DaLincerGuy >> >Subject: [naktalk] More on Ruminations on actuator motor >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Message-ID: <4B45AE22.5090707 at comcast.net> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> > >> >I took the motor out last night and ran it with 9V battery for 10 mins >> >in each direction. >> > >> >At first it definitely stuttered, and eventually ran nice and smooth. >> > >> >Cleaned the grease off the gears and reinstalled. Works great now, but >> >> >notice a lot more noise on actuation. >> > >> >Questions: >> > >> >Has anybody actually taken one of these motors apart? >> >Any hints... would rather not destroy the motor attempting to fix it. >> >> >Once apart, I have tools to polish rotor and clean >> >brushes. Do not like the use of DeOxit inside motor, neither designed >> >> >for the other. >> > >> >> Best wishes for a new Nak year, >> >> Henk Schenk >> >> http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/f0fce60f/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:44:16 -0500 > From: "mfallon at windstream.net" > Subject: [naktalk] Used Maxell XLII 90s > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <380-220101111164416238 at M2W125.mail2web.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Hi > > I have a couple stacks of gently-used/non-smoking environment/seldom > played > Maxell XL-II 90s. Asking $25 for each batch of 50 XL-II 90. Price > includes postage and careful packing. > > thanks > mike > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE - Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:57:09 -0800 (PST) > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <507396.78511.qm at web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ram, > Thanks for the clarification. Do you think the difference in sound comes > from selected heads on the 1000ZXL, some different circuitry...or both? I > realize there probably has to be a difference in sound as well, (not just > some features)-hence the two models and price difference when new. > > Kevin > > > > > ________________________________ > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <905722.38408.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Kevin, > > I > have compared a 700ZXL serviced by ANdy Pena of this forum and my stock > 1000ZXL and the 1000 was tighter is the lower frequencies and much > smoother wide spread sound and greater transparency. Now I never did > what Luis has with the technical set up he has. > > The 700ZXls > sound is quite good, sharp ( almost like a Revox B215) but the bass was > a tad lacking compared to the 1000 or even the 680/682 zx decks. > > I ended up selling it for a song on ebay......but regret it now. > > The > 700ZXL has preset bias points as you are expected to select the tape > type prior to calibration. Also the calibrating frequencies are at > three points rather than the four used with the 1000ZXL, which has no > tape selector switch at all and every tape I presume starts off from > scratch while calibrating? > > Luis may we see some day a video of a Dragon Vs a 1000ZXL please? > > Regards, > Ram > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/5cb53c3f/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:30:27 -0500 > From: Dan Moy > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <44ae93bf1001110930m7fad4a0fx41f9f52e2cf9070a at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > If I may I would also like to recommend Edirol UA-1X with Audacity as > a low cost solution with excellent results. This also assumes you > have a decent preamp... > > Dan > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:23 AM, DaLincerGuy wrote: >> Guy & Co; >> >> I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. >> >> Here is what I have worked out so far: >> >> ** I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my >> motherboard. Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio there are plenty of >> others to choose from. >> >> ** I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my >> system. After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one USB >> controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). >> >> ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture >> programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH >> along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files. I like this >> program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. >> >> ** I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or >> WAV >> Lossless) to store the data as good as I can keep. >> >> As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the >> task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. >> >> Hope this helps you get started >> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 >>> From: Guy Facey >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Message-ID: >>> <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I >>> managed >>> to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I >>> need >>> to >>> fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't >>> hear >>> any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not >>> metal, >>> but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). >>> >>> I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do >>> things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? >>> >>> By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 >>> with >>> Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into >>> (1985) >>> Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection >>> is >>> knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more >>> CDs >>> but I find them a bit disappointing now.... >>> Guy >>> >>> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 4759 (20100110) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:53:14 -0800 > From: "Norm Tallant" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <000c01ca9310$dbc8f320$935ad960$@wiretap.be> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >> Guy & Co; >> >> I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. > > I purchased my BX-300 for exactly the same purpose! :) > > Since I moonlight as a musician I use (until tomorrow, anyways) a MOTU 828 > MKII as an audio interface and I use Steinberg Wavelab 6 to capture the > audio. Though it has some automatic settings for cutting up the tracks, I > do them manually so that I can control the "flow." > > Same goes for vinyl; I use a Technics 1200 MKII into a vintage consumer > model NAD receiver and from there into the MOTU. > > Tomorrow I pick up my new M-Audio Profire 2626... I can't wait to rip > tapes > and vinyls into higher bitrate FLACs! :) > > All the best, > -Norm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:42:34 -0700 > From: "Tim and Pam Sepper" > Subject: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: > Message-ID: <005001ca9330$e50b0b60$af212220$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Guy, > > > > I simply use a cable to connect the Nak output to the computer sound card > input. For software I use Roxio Creator 10. There is a new 2010 version. > In this suite of programs is a very cool and easy Roxio LP and Tape > Assistant to digital converter. After it records to WAV (or whatever you > choose) you can then edit the various track dividers and name each track > however you like. It also has hiss and pop reducer. Then I have it > convert > to MP3 and I delete the WAV to save hard drive space. > > > > Pretty easy stuff. I'm sure you could do better, but my non-audiofile > golden ears tell me it is just fine! > > > > Tim Sepper > > > > > Guy & Co; > > I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. > > Here is what I have worked out so far: > > ** I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my > motherboard. Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio there are plenty > of others to choose from. > > ** I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my > system. After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one > USB controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). > > ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture > programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH > along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files. I like > this program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. > > ** I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or > WAV Lossless) to store the data as good as I can keep. > > As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the > task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. > > Hope this helps you get started > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 >> From: Guy Facey > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks at naks.com > >> > > > Message-ID: > > > <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I can't resist adding > that > it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I managed > > to afford my humble BX303 > back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I need to > > fix the rewind) it blew > me > away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't hear > > any difference using > Dolby > C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not metal, > > but not the cheapest > tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). > > > > I'm now looking for a way > to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do > > things with the > recordings > in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? > > > > By the way the turntable > is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 with > > Rega arm (recently with a > new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into (1985) > > Musical Fidelity A1 and > new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is > > knocking my socks off > once > again. We had been listening to more and more CDs > > but I find them a bit > disappointing now.... > > Guy > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/cd173473/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 10 > *************************************** From mwijesinha at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 23:21:40 2010 From: mwijesinha at gmail.com (Marnik Wijesinha) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:21:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 In-Reply-To: <962311.51611.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <962311.51611.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am a novice, but from what I understand...the "correct" azimuth setting is the one at which the MAXIMUM high frequency response is obtained. "Correct" playback azimuth simply means that the playback head is at virtually the same angle (with respect to the tape itself) which the recording head was at when the tape was recorded. So in theory, obtaining "correct" azimuth would allow playback of all the high frequencies that were recorded on the tape to begin with...minus anything lost due to deterioration or damage to the tape, of course. When the playback azimuth is incorrect (which is almost always the case unless you adjust it for each tape you play back), you will not hear all of the HF recorded on the tape...but from my experience, I've noticed that almost all of the HF on ONE channel is played back no matter what, but the other channel tends to suffer a moderate to severe HF loss when the azimuth is not correct. Just an FYI, I have also transferred type 1 (normal) tapes that were recorded off the radio about 25 years ago on a relatively cheap deck, and they had HF response up to 16 khz when I optimized the azimuth setting. I'm not sure if that helps you or not, but it was just a bit of info I wanted to add. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Ron wrote: > > I found out setting azymuth highly influences high-levels. Now i'm > > wondering; do these high-levels go over the top; or do they actually > > represent what is on the tape? > > The PB azimuth adjustment has an optimal > point. Changing the adjustment to either side > of that point will reduce high frequency output, > even though those frequencies still exist on the > tape. > > IOW, PB azimuth adjustment is correct when > the best possible high frequenecy response is > obtained. > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Elger Jonker > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Tue, January 12, 2010 5:34:31 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 > > Hi Guys, > > I'm new to the world of Nakamichi, and i'm enjoying the old-school > luxury. The reason for diving into Nakamichi was a desire to digitize > cassettes. I bought the LX-3 with the remote, a pile of manuals and > folders (yes, containing prices and in good condition) for 100 euro. > The device works great, playback speed is accurate but since i'm a > total noob; i've got a few questions. This would be the only place > someone could give a meaningful answer, so here we go: > > I found out setting azymuth highly influences high-levels. Now i'm > wondering; do these high-levels go over the top; or do they actually > represent what is on the tape? There seem to be a few notions that > cassettes can't reproduce highs; but for these radio recordings they > are present. My question; is this representation realistic or should I > re-adjust azymuth again? Here are some recordings: > http://elgerjonker.nl/rave/ (try the 1 hour mix, this is a radio > recording containing house/dance music). Please do not leak this link > or publish it outside of this list; i don't want bad recordings of > this floating around on the net. > > Another question; the LX-3 seems to make noise when playing nothing. > Pushing play, without a cassette, results in a humming noise (not > 50hz). Is this normal? Could this be reduced with some tricks? Would > other naks have this? Am i being too sensitive about this? > > All recordings where made on a technics recorder. > > I'm trying to get the best of these recordings. They are rare, and > have to sound great from the source. My hopes are that someone on this > list can help me out here. > > Regards, > Elger > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwijesinha at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 23:34:37 2010 From: mwijesinha at gmail.com (Marnik Wijesinha) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:34:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 In-Reply-To: References: <962311.51611.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: One more thing to add...you CANNOT get more HF response than what was originally recorded on the tape, no matter what you set the playback azimuth to. As far as I know, this is impossible. So there is no such thing as "too much" HF response...you can only *lose *HF response if you set the azimuth incorrectly . On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Marnik Wijesinha wrote: > I am a novice, but from what I understand...the "correct" azimuth setting > is the one at which the MAXIMUM high frequency response is obtained. > "Correct" playback azimuth simply means that the playback head is at > virtually the same angle (with respect to the tape itself) which the > recording head was at when the tape was recorded. So in theory, obtaining > "correct" azimuth would allow playback of all the high frequencies that were > recorded on the tape to begin with...minus anything lost due to > deterioration or damage to the tape, of course. When the playback azimuth is > incorrect (which is almost always the case unless you adjust it for each > tape you play back), you will not hear all of the HF recorded on the > tape...but from my experience, I've noticed that almost all of the HF on > ONE channel is played back no matter what, but the other channel tends to > suffer a moderate to severe HF loss when the azimuth is not correct. > > Just an FYI, I have also transferred type 1 (normal) tapes that were > recorded off the radio about 25 years ago on a relatively cheap deck, and > they had HF response up to 16 khz when I optimized the azimuth setting. I'm > not sure if that helps you or not, but it was just a bit of info I wanted to > add. > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Ron wrote: > >> > I found out setting azymuth highly influences high-levels. Now i'm >> > wondering; do these high-levels go over the top; or do they actually >> > represent what is on the tape? >> >> The PB azimuth adjustment has an optimal >> point. Changing the adjustment to either side >> of that point will reduce high frequency output, >> even though those frequencies still exist on the >> tape. >> >> IOW, PB azimuth adjustment is correct when >> the best possible high frequenecy response is >> obtained. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Elger Jonker >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Tue, January 12, 2010 5:34:31 AM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> I'm new to the world of Nakamichi, and i'm enjoying the old-school >> luxury. The reason for diving into Nakamichi was a desire to digitize >> cassettes. I bought the LX-3 with the remote, a pile of manuals and >> folders (yes, containing prices and in good condition) for 100 euro. >> The device works great, playback speed is accurate but since i'm a >> total noob; i've got a few questions. This would be the only place >> someone could give a meaningful answer, so here we go: >> >> I found out setting azymuth highly influences high-levels. Now i'm >> wondering; do these high-levels go over the top; or do they actually >> represent what is on the tape? There seem to be a few notions that >> cassettes can't reproduce highs; but for these radio recordings they >> are present. My question; is this representation realistic or should I >> re-adjust azymuth again? Here are some recordings: >> http://elgerjonker.nl/rave/ (try the 1 hour mix, this is a radio >> recording containing house/dance music). Please do not leak this link >> or publish it outside of this list; i don't want bad recordings of >> this floating around on the net. >> >> Another question; the LX-3 seems to make noise when playing nothing. >> Pushing play, without a cassette, results in a humming noise (not >> 50hz). Is this normal? Could this be reduced with some tricks? Would >> other naks have this? Am i being too sensitive about this? >> >> All recordings where made on a technics recorder. >> >> I'm trying to get the best of these recordings. They are rare, and >> have to sound great from the source. 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Check out the wiki - as per link below. Section Official Documents. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:46 PM, YJ wrote: > Could someone be so kind and upload the BX-300E service manual to hotfile > I've tried registering to the ebaman website about 10 times using two > different browsers and the website just won't take my registration.. no > error message given > > Thanks > *************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wpgoudriaan at hotmail.com Thu Jan 14 02:04:25 2010 From: wpgoudriaan at hotmail.com (william goudriaan) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:04:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Rx-202e Message-ID: Hello, Ik have a question about my Nakamichi deck Rx-202e. When i turn the deck on it takes a couple of seconds before the light at the cassette compartiment turns on. But when it is on and you turn the deck of and on again the light turn on inmideatly but after 15 minutes it takes a couple a seconds again. Is this normal? Thank you for your time!! Greats, William. _________________________________________________________________ Het laatste nieuws, shownieuws en voetbalnieuws op MSN.nl http://nl.msn.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 14 02:22:09 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:22:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <848374.7324.qm@web112713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Not measured Tom, but after calibration the 1000ZXL records ditto on both tapes. Source=Tape......No difference. The 700ZXl( and to almost the same extent the 700ZXE currently in my Nak stable) sound relatively tinny. Its just relative mind you. ANd entirely my opinion. Regards, Ram --- On Wed, 1/13/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 1:34 PM Ram,   That "tinny" sound might also be a response to the acceptance of SA-X  and UD-XL2-S.  My impression is that the 'flat" tape formulations saw sales drop. Those CR7 modifications and the limited Dragon adjustments produce a less flat response with these special tapes.  Ruler flat response with SA was a Nak hallmark for many years, so the upward tilt of mid-treble out to be obvious to experienced listeners.     How flat is the 1000ZXL when comparing SA to SA-X after calibration?   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:47 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? Kevin, It must have something to do with the post head electronics and the pre head( calibration cpu) electronics in it. The 4 frequency calibration and the EQ calibration fo recording might have something to do with it too. As a package, the 1000ZXL is yet to be beat by another deck in terms of sheer sound quality. That includes Dragons/ CR7s and the earlier ZX series superb decks. By the time Naks reached the 680series decks, Nakamichi research had perfected the transport, heads and electronics so much so that they were years ahead of the other players in the field. This culminated into the 1000ZXL and the cheaper 700ZXL as a showcase for all cassette lovers to hear! >From this time CDs began competing with LPs and tapes and the later models IMHO were tweaked to achieve a sound that was a tad less bassy, more trebly and "tinny" as in the Dragon and later the CR7, both of which again are superb decks! The ZX7/ZX9 series do not exhibit this tinniness and they can be very close sounding to the ZXL decks. Just my 2 cents.:)) Ram --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 11:57 AM #yiv1963558895 #yiv1543519542 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Ram, Thanks for the clarification. Do you think the difference in sound comes from selected heads on the 1000ZXL, some different circuitry...or both? I realize there probably has to be a difference in sound as well, (not just some features)-hence the two models and price difference when new. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <905722.38408.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, I have compared a 700ZXL serviced by ANdy Pena of this forum and my stock 1000ZXL and the 1000 was tighter is the lower frequencies and much smoother wide spread sound and greater transparency. Now I never did what Luis has with the technical set up he has. The 700ZXls sound is quite good, sharp ( almost like a Revox B215) but the bass was a tad lacking compared to the 1000 or even the 680/682 zx decks. I ended up selling it for a song on ebay......but regret it now. The 700ZXL has preset bias points as you are expected to select the tape type prior to calibration. Also the calibrating frequencies are at three points rather than the four used with the 1000ZXL, which has no tape selector switch at all and every tape I presume starts off from scratch while calibrating? Luis may we see some day a video of a Dragon Vs a 1000ZXL please? 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Some of the advantages are: -Get rid of the pre-transformer - for ever, these units are multi-voltage! -Toroidal transformers are more efficient than isolated core. -The transformer is more compact that an E core equivalent, so mounting options are greater - it will fit inside your deck! -Low dispersion field, lower noise. Get better performance ! - Easy to fit: It will fit inside your deck, and comes with the exact same color code as the original! For some pictures and a video, please see: http://naks.es/voltage_conversion.html With warmest regards, Luis. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Jan 14 13:39:42 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:39:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks Message-ID: <4B4F108E.6070206@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi everyone, And Happy New Year 2010! My very first question of the year is the following: In Europe the common voltage is 220V. On decks built for the french market, there is a voltage switch 110V-220V on the back of the unit On those for the German market, because of "safety" rules, this voltage swith is not allowed. My question is the following: did Nakamichi build transformers specifically for Germany or they simply used the same as in France, but removed the switch? How can I verify that point on a deck bougth from Germany? Thanks Bernard From buitamdiep at vnn.vn Thu Jan 14 15:56:40 2010 From: buitamdiep at vnn.vn (BTT DIEP) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:56:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 482Z SM Message-ID: Dear friends, May some of you be interested in 482Z sm, then try to download it: http://rapidshare.com/files/268049580/NAKAMICHI_482Z_service_manual.PDF enjoy! Diep BTT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Thu Jan 14 16:36:47 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:36:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This statement might discourage someone with old tapes to assume the quality is bad. Adjusting play azimuth, or using the Dragon's NAAC feature will get the most out of an old tape. In addition, the happy fact is that record or R/P heads can record higher frequencies than a low performance head can playback, so old tapes played on old deck might sound dull, but on a Nak they can sound spectacular. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marnik Wijesinha Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 One more thing to add...you CANNOT get more HF response than what was originally recorded on the tape, no matter what you set the playback azimuth to. As far as I know, this is impossible. So there is no such thing as "too much" HF response...you can only lose HF response if you set the azimuth incorrectly . On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Marnik Wijesinha wrote: I am a novice, but from what I understand...the "correct" azimuth setting is the one at which the MAXIMUM high frequency response is obtained. "Correct" playback azimuth simply means that the playback head is at virtually the same angle (with respect to the tape itself) which the recording head was at when the tape was recorded. So in theory, obtaining "correct" azimuth would allow playback of all the high frequencies that were recorded on the tape to begin with...minus anything lost due to deterioration or damage to the tape, of course. When the playback azimuth is incorrect (which is almost always the case unless you adjust it for each tape you play back), you will not hear all of the HF recorded on the tape...but from my experience, I've noticed that almost all of the HF on ONE channel is played back no matter what, but the other channel tends to suffer a moderate to severe HF loss when the azimuth is not correct. Just an FYI, I have also transferred type 1 (normal) tapes that were recorded off the radio about 25 years ago on a relatively cheap deck, and they had HF response up to 16 khz when I optimized the azimuth setting. I'm not sure if that helps you or not, but it was just a bit of info I wanted to add. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Ron wrote: > I found out setting azymuth highly influences high-levels. Now i'm > wondering; do these high-levels go over the top; or do they actually > represent what is on the tape? The PB azimuth adjustment has an optimal point. Changing the adjustment to either side of that point will reduce high frequency output, even though those frequencies still exist on the tape. IOW, PB azimuth adjustment is correct when the best possible high frequenecy response is obtained. -- Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elger Jonker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 5:34:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 Hi Guys, I'm new to the world of Nakamichi, and i'm enjoying the old-school luxury. The reason for diving into Nakamichi was a desire to digitize cassettes. I bought the LX-3 with the remote, a pile of manuals and folders (yes, containing prices and in good condition) for 100 euro. The device works great, playback speed is accurate but since i'm a total noob; i've got a few questions. This would be the only place someone could give a meaningful answer, so here we go: I found out setting azymuth highly influences high-levels. Now i'm wondering; do these high-levels go over the top; or do they actually represent what is on the tape? There seem to be a few notions that cassettes can't reproduce highs; but for these radio recordings they are present. My question; is this representation realistic or should I re-adjust azymuth again? Here are some recordings: http://elgerjonker.nl/rave/ (try the 1 hour mix, this is a radio recording containing house/dance music). Please do not leak this link or publish it outside of this list; i don't want bad recordings of this floating around on the net. Another question; the LX-3 seems to make noise when playing nothing. Pushing play, without a cassette, results in a humming noise (not 50hz). Is this normal? Could this be reduced with some tricks? Would other naks have this? Am i being too sensitive about this? All recordings where made on a technics recorder. I'm trying to get the best of these recordings. They are rare, and have to sound great from the source. My hopes are that someone on this list can help me out here. 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URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Thu Jan 14 18:38:49 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:38:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Using a Step-Up / Step-Down transformer? This is for you ! References: <662809FE-8F23-4D8B-B018-E542599381BE@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <948DCAD999C54E3780516590298377F2@superdator> Nice work Luis! Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Luis Peromarta Regert To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] Using a Step-Up / Step-Down transformer? This is for you ! Dear Nakkers: Yes, this is an old problem with some decks, bought in US (110VAC) and used in Europe (230VAC) or vice-versa, because not all decks were made with multi voltage transformers! Running these decks in with a step-up / step-down transformer is really annoying, and extra cabling and space is needed. The nice guys at Peebles Audio Engineering (we) have designed a brand new, made-to-order Toroidal Transformers, to fit older Nakamichi Models. The model currently under testing will fit at least these models: 1000ZXL, ZX7, ZX9, RX505. They will be dual voltage, pin to pin compatible with these decks. This means the units will be 0-115-230V, so they should be good World Wide! Some of the advantages are: 1.. -Get rid of the pre-transformer - for ever, these units are multi-voltage! 2.. -Toroidal transformers are more efficient than isolated core. 3.. -The transformer is more compact that an E core equivalent, so mounting options are greater - it will fit inside your deck! 4.. -Low dispersion field, lower noise. Get better performance ! - Easy to fit: It will fit inside your deck, and comes with the exact same color code as the original! For some pictures and a video, please see: http://naks.es/voltage_conversion.html With warmest regards, Luis. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Fri Jan 15 01:19:28 2010 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:19:28 +0100 Subject: SV: [naktalk] BX-300E Service Manual In-Reply-To: <007601ca9491$7d7f6470$6700a8c0@ncore1> References: <201001121127.o0CBPetP018978@zxe.naks.com> <007601ca9491$7d7f6470$6700a8c0@ncore1> Message-ID: <001201ca9578$68a1aa80$39e4ff80$@se> Hi YJ Drop me a mail, and I'll try to sort out your ebaman problems. With Best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden www.ebaman.com -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] För YJ Skickat: den 13 januari 2010 21:47 Till: naktalk at naks.com Ämne: [naktalk] BX-300E Service Manual Could someone be so kind and upload the BX-300E service manual to hotfile I've tried registering to the ebaman website about 10 times using two different browsers and the website just won't take my registration.. no error message given Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:27 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 10 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Recording from Nak to CD (DaLincerGuy) > 2. RE: Ebaman manuals - Thanks, Wouter (Bernard White) > 3. Re: Ruminations on actuator motor (Antoine Desch?nes) > 4. Used Maxell XLII 90s (mfallon at windstream.net) > 5. RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? (Kevin Fetner) > 6. Re: Recording from Nak to CD (Dan Moy) > 7. RE: Recording from Nak to CD (Norm Tallant) > 8. Recording from Nak to CD (Tim and Pam Sepper) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:23:07 -0800 > From: DaLincerGuy > Subject: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <4B4AC3CB.2000402 at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Guy & Co; > > I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. > > Here is what I have worked out so far: > > ** I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my > motherboard. Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio there are plenty > of others to choose from. > > ** I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my > system. After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one > USB controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). > > ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture > programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH > along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files. I like > this program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. > > ** I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or > WAV Lossless) to store the data as good as I can keep. > > As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the > task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. > > Hope this helps you get started > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 >> From: Guy Facey >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I >> managed >> to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I need >> to >> fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't >> hear >> any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not >> metal, >> but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). >> >> I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do >> things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? >> >> By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 >> with >> Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into >> (1985) >> Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is >> knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more >> CDs >> but I find them a bit disappointing now.... >> Guy >> >> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4759 (20100110) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:29:34 +1300 > From: Bernard White > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Ebaman manuals - Thanks, Wouter > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Thanks so much, Wouter. Success at last. I wasn't familiar with the wiki, > somehow.Sincere thanks to those who have uploaded such things. > Bernard > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a place to manage all your online stuff? Download the new > Windows Live > http://download.live.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/a39fb4e2/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:42:40 -0500 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ruminations on actuator motor > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <17d5ee911001110542k4e1f80a1s11f0c7ada8d19f03 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > Sankyo transports have two large connectors going to the main PCB. If you > disconnect the wire harness that connects the cam switch to the main PCB, > the cam motor will still be connected to the deck through the other > connector (all the motors use this one I think). You might have to power > cycle the deck or something. > > Lifting the head block probably helps, but I don't know if the electronics > will handle the stress for 10 minutes. The cam motor is normally used 1/2 > seconds at the time. > > -- Antoine Deschênes > > > 2010/1/10 ScHenk > >> Hello DLG, >> >> Once more (Antoine was ahead of me); taking apart the motor and repairing >> it is no Rocket Science. It is rather easy, but the first time you will >> learn >> with a possible risk of damage. >> >> BUT: after your running in of the motor it might be as good as ever. Just >> go and use the deck and see. >> >> Now for one of the more ethereal solutions; >> Master of Nakamichi in Holland (Tom van 't Hof) appears to have treaten >> the >> illness differently, so I heard from one of his clients. He openened the >> front of the unit and put it the play position (with help if needed, >> because >> the commando motor fails). When the head block was fully lifted, he would >> put a block between the chassis and the head block to fix it into the >> upmost >> position and even slightly higher. After that he shortened some connector >> on the commando logic to set the commando motor into continious motion >> end >> left it for 10 minutes. Job Done! >> I have never completely copied this trick but I did notice when you >> shorten >> one of the three leaf switches the motor will run contuniously, flipping >> the head block up and down permanently. Because of the wear on the head >> block >> mech you can avoid its movement with the fixing block. >> >> >> Anyone of the Guru's use this trick? >> >> Good listening to the cams, >> Henk Schenk >> >> >------------------------------ >> > >> >Message: 2 >> >Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:49:22 -0800 >> >From: DaLincerGuy >> >Subject: [naktalk] More on Ruminations on actuator motor >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Message-ID: <4B45AE22.5090707 at comcast.net> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> > >> >I took the motor out last night and ran it with 9V battery for 10 mins >> >in each direction. >> > >> >At first it definitely stuttered, and eventually ran nice and smooth. >> > >> >Cleaned the grease off the gears and reinstalled. Works great now, but >> >> >notice a lot more noise on actuation. >> > >> >Questions: >> > >> >Has anybody actually taken one of these motors apart? >> >Any hints... would rather not destroy the motor attempting to fix it. >> >> >Once apart, I have tools to polish rotor and clean >> >brushes. Do not like the use of DeOxit inside motor, neither designed >> >> >for the other. >> > >> >> Best wishes for a new Nak year, >> >> Henk Schenk >> >> http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/f0fce60f/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:44:16 -0500 > From: "mfallon at windstream.net" > Subject: [naktalk] Used Maxell XLII 90s > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <380-220101111164416238 at M2W125.mail2web.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Hi > > I have a couple stacks of gently-used/non-smoking environment/seldom > played > Maxell XL-II 90s. Asking $25 for each batch of 50 XL-II 90. Price > includes postage and careful packing. > > thanks > mike > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE - Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:57:09 -0800 (PST) > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <507396.78511.qm at web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ram, > Thanks for the clarification. Do you think the difference in sound comes > from selected heads on the 1000ZXL, some different circuitry...or both? I > realize there probably has to be a difference in sound as well, (not just > some features)-hence the two models and price difference when new. > > Kevin > > > > > ________________________________ > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <905722.38408.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Kevin, > > I > have compared a 700ZXL serviced by ANdy Pena of this forum and my stock > 1000ZXL and the 1000 was tighter is the lower frequencies and much > smoother wide spread sound and greater transparency. Now I never did > what Luis has with the technical set up he has. > > The 700ZXls > sound is quite good, sharp ( almost like a Revox B215) but the bass was > a tad lacking compared to the 1000 or even the 680/682 zx decks. > > I ended up selling it for a song on ebay......but regret it now. > > The > 700ZXL has preset bias points as you are expected to select the tape > type prior to calibration. Also the calibrating frequencies are at > three points rather than the four used with the 1000ZXL, which has no > tape selector switch at all and every tape I presume starts off from > scratch while calibrating? > > Luis may we see some day a video of a Dragon Vs a 1000ZXL please? > > Regards, > Ram > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/5cb53c3f/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:30:27 -0500 > From: Dan Moy > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <44ae93bf1001110930m7fad4a0fx41f9f52e2cf9070a at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > If I may I would also like to recommend Edirol UA-1X with Audacity as > a low cost solution with excellent results. This also assumes you > have a decent preamp... > > Dan > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:23 AM, DaLincerGuy wrote: >> Guy & Co; >> >> I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. >> >> Here is what I have worked out so far: >> >> ** I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my >> motherboard. Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio there are plenty of >> others to choose from. >> >> ** I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my >> system. After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one USB >> controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). >> >> ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture >> programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH >> along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files. I like this >> program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. >> >> ** I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or >> WAV >> Lossless) to store the data as good as I can keep. >> >> As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the >> task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. >> >> Hope this helps you get started >> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 >>> From: Guy Facey >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Message-ID: >>> <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I >>> managed >>> to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I >>> need >>> to >>> fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't >>> hear >>> any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not >>> metal, >>> but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). >>> >>> I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do >>> things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? >>> >>> By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 >>> with >>> Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into >>> (1985) >>> Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection >>> is >>> knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more >>> CDs >>> but I find them a bit disappointing now.... >>> Guy >>> >>> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 4759 (20100110) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:53:14 -0800 > From: "Norm Tallant" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <000c01ca9310$dbc8f320$935ad960$@wiretap.be> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >> Guy & Co; >> >> I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. > > I purchased my BX-300 for exactly the same purpose! :) > > Since I moonlight as a musician I use (until tomorrow, anyways) a MOTU 828 > MKII as an audio interface and I use Steinberg Wavelab 6 to capture the > audio. Though it has some automatic settings for cutting up the tracks, I > do them manually so that I can control the "flow." > > Same goes for vinyl; I use a Technics 1200 MKII into a vintage consumer > model NAD receiver and from there into the MOTU. > > Tomorrow I pick up my new M-Audio Profire 2626... I can't wait to rip > tapes > and vinyls into higher bitrate FLACs! :) > > All the best, > -Norm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:42:34 -0700 > From: "Tim and Pam Sepper" > Subject: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: > Message-ID: <005001ca9330$e50b0b60$af212220$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Guy, > > > > I simply use a cable to connect the Nak output to the computer sound card > input. For software I use Roxio Creator 10. There is a new 2010 version. > In this suite of programs is a very cool and easy Roxio LP and Tape > Assistant to digital converter. After it records to WAV (or whatever you > choose) you can then edit the various track dividers and name each track > however you like. It also has hiss and pop reducer. Then I have it > convert > to MP3 and I delete the WAV to save hard drive space. > > > > Pretty easy stuff. I'm sure you could do better, but my non-audiofile > golden ears tell me it is just fine! > > > > Tim Sepper > > > > > Guy & Co; > > I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. > > Here is what I have worked out so far: > > ** I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my > motherboard. Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio there are plenty > of others to choose from. > > ** I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my > system. After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one > USB controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). > > ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture > programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH > along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files. I like > this program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. > > ** I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or > WAV Lossless) to store the data as good as I can keep. > > As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the > task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. > > Hope this helps you get started > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 >> From: Guy Facey > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks at naks.com > >> > > > Message-ID: > > > <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I can't resist adding > that > it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I managed > > to afford my humble BX303 > back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I need to > > fix the rewind) it blew > me > away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't hear > > any difference using > Dolby > C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not metal, > > but not the cheapest > tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). > > > > I'm now looking for a way > to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do > > things with the > recordings > in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? > > > > By the way the turntable > is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 with > > Rega arm (recently with a > new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into (1985) > > Musical Fidelity A1 and > new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is > > knocking my socks off > once > again. We had been listening to more and more CDs > > but I find them a bit > disappointing now.... > > Guy > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/cd173473/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 10 > *************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Jan 15 08:28:20 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:28:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 Message-ID:  ----- Original Message ------  From:tom brucker  Sent:Thursday, January 14, 2010 17:36  To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks naktalk at naks.com;  Subject:RE: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 Or ,before Gra' from the UK chips in --you use a Pioneer S-830S  deckwith its Flex technology if it is really bad---right Graham? Walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:tom brucker  Sent:Thursday, January 14, 2010 17:36  To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks naktalk at naks.com;  Subject:RE: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 This statement might discourage someone with old tapes to  assume the quality is bad.  Adjusting play azimuth, or using the Dragon's NAAC feature will get the most out of an old tape. In addition, the happy fact is that record or R/P heads can record higher frequencies than a low performance head can playback, so old tapes played on old deck might sound dull, but on a Nak they can sound spectacular.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com From: Elger Jonker To: naktalk at naks.com http://elgerjonker.nl/rave/ ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll follow up with a post about background noise when i've got some more time. I'm glad to hear that the azymuth, with adjustments, give a lot of highs. I've used SignalScope Pro (screenshot) to get the most of them; adjusting the azymuth was instantly visible. Since there are so many highs on the tape, i'm guessing this is the way the recording has been made. The picture also shows the balance is off for this one. :) I'm guessing this is also the way the tape was recorded. Regards, Elger On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:36 PM, tom brucker wrote: > This statement might discourage someone with old tapes to  assume the > quality is bad.  Adjusting play azimuth, or using the Dragon's NAAC feature > will get the most out of an old tape. In addition, the happy fact is that > record or R/P heads can record higher frequencies than a low performance > head can playback, so old tapes played on old deck might sound dull, but on > a Nak they can sound spectacular. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Marnik Wijesinha > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:35 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 > > One more thing to add...you CANNOT get more HF response than what was > originally recorded on the tape, no matter what you set the playback azimuth > to. As far as I know, this is impossible. So there is no such thing as "too > much" HF response...you can only lose HF response if you set the azimuth > incorrectly . > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Marnik Wijesinha > wrote: >> >> I am a novice, but from what I understand...the "correct" azimuth setting >> is the one at which the MAXIMUM high frequency response is obtained. >> "Correct" playback azimuth simply means that the playback head is at >> virtually the same angle (with respect to the tape itself) which the >> recording head was at when the tape was recorded. So in theory, obtaining >> "correct" azimuth would allow playback of all the high frequencies that were >> recorded on the tape to begin with...minus anything lost due to >> deterioration or damage to the tape, of course. When the playback azimuth is >> incorrect (which is almost always the case unless you adjust it for each >> tape you play back), you will not hear all of the HF recorded on the >> tape...but from my experience, I've noticed that almost all of the HF on >> ONE channel is played back no matter what, but the other channel tends to >> suffer a moderate to severe HF loss when the azimuth is not correct. >> >> Just an FYI, I have also transferred type 1 (normal) tapes that were >> recorded off the radio about 25 years ago on a relatively cheap deck, and >> they had HF response up to 16 khz when I optimized the azimuth setting. I'm >> not sure if that helps you or not, but it was just a bit of info I wanted to >> add. >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Ron wrote: >>> >>> > I found out setting azymuth highly influences high-levels. Now i'm >>> > wondering; do these high-levels go over the top; or do they actually >>> > represent what is on the tape? >>> >>> The PB azimuth adjustment has an optimal >>> point. Changing the adjustment to either side >>> of that point will reduce high frequency output, >>> even though those frequencies still exist on the >>> tape. >>> >>> IOW, PB azimuth adjustment is correct when >>> the best possible high frequenecy response is >>> obtained. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Elger Jonker >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 5:34:31 AM >>> Subject: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I'm new to the world of Nakamichi, and i'm enjoying the old-school >>> luxury. The reason for diving into Nakamichi was a desire to digitize >>> cassettes. I bought the LX-3 with the remote, a pile of manuals and >>> folders (yes, containing prices and in good condition) for 100 euro. >>> The device works great, playback speed is accurate but since i'm a >>> total noob; i've got a few questions. This would be the only place >>> someone could give a meaningful answer, so here we go: >>> >>> I found out setting azymuth highly influences high-levels. Now i'm >>> wondering; do these high-levels go over the top; or do they actually >>> represent what is on the tape? There seem to be a few notions that >>> cassettes can't reproduce highs; but for these radio recordings they >>> are present. My question; is this representation realistic or should I >>> re-adjust azymuth again? Here are some recordings: >>> http://elgerjonker.nl/rave/ (try the 1 hour mix, this is a radio >>> recording containing house/dance music). Please do not leak this link >>> or publish it outside of this list; i don't want bad recordings of >>> this floating around on the net. >>> >>> Another question; the LX-3 seems to make noise when playing nothing. >>> Pushing play, without a cassette, results in a humming noise (not >>> 50hz). Is this normal? Could this be reduced with some tricks? Would >>> other naks have this? Am i being too sensitive about this? >>> >>> All recordings where made on a technics recorder. >>> >>> I'm trying to get the best of these recordings. They are rare, and >>> have to sound great from the source. 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Manos O/H Pär Ericsson ??????: > Nice work Luis! > > Pelle. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Luis Peromarta Regert > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:25 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Using a Step-Up / Step-Down transformer? This > is for you ! > > Dear Nakkers: > > Yes, this is an old problem with some decks, bought in US (110VAC) > and used in Europe (230VAC) or vice-versa, because not all decks > were made with multi voltage transformers! > > Running these decks in with a step-up / step-down transformer is > really annoying, and extra cabling and space is needed. > > The nice guys at Peebles Audio Engineering > (we) have designed a brand new, > made-to-order Toroidal Transformers, to fit older Nakamichi > Models. The model currently under testing will fit at least these > models: 1000ZXL, ZX7, ZX9, RX505. They will be dual voltage, pin > to pin compatible with these decks. This means the units will be > 0-115-230V, so they should be good World Wide! > > Some of the advantages are: > > 1. > -Get rid of the pre-transformer - for ever, these units are > multi-voltage! > 2. > -Toroidal transformers are more efficient than isolated core. > 3. > -The transformer is more compact that an E core equivalent, > so mounting options are greater - it will fit inside your deck! > 4. > -Low dispersion field, lower noise. Get better performance ! > > - Easy to fit: It will fit inside your deck, and comes with the > exact same color code as the original! > > > For some pictures and a video, please see: > > http://naks.es/voltage_conversion.html > > With warmest regards, > > Luis. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 15:54:04 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:54:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <77055.65181.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I second that.SOme months ago I pulled out some 1983-1987 FM radio recordings made on a boombox ( SHarp GF 777Z-which I still have!:)) These sounded spectacular on the CR7 and the Dragon no doubt. They, however did not sound as good even on the boombox they were recorded on twenty some years ago. The Cr7 had to be azimuth adjusted to the 3O clock position for the best sound! Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 1/14/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] Details, highs and background noise on the LX-3 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 10:36 AM This statement might discourage someone with old tapes to  assume the quality is bad.  Adjusting play azimuth, or using the Dragon's NAAC feature will get the most out of an old tape. In addition, the happy fact is that record or R/P heads can record higher frequencies than a low performance head can playback, so old tapes played on old deck might sound dull, but on a Nak they can sound spectacular.   tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Jan 15 19:47:03 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:47:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How low can the 1000ZXL go? Message-ID: <6D6A6A4A-FF2D-4C0B-A623-F93D252E1F88@peromarta.org> Find out here. http://naks.es/1000ZXL-3.html Best regads, Luis. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jan 16 03:44:30 2010 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:44:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks In-Reply-To: References: <4B4F108E.6070206@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <03fa01ca9655$d4fedee0$7efc9ca0$@com> Baby question: If a 220V Nak were run on 240V supply, I presume it would become hotter than it ought. Correct? But would this difference be damaging? (I have a 220v ZX9 in the UK. I am not technically able enough to change it to 240v, but I acquired a grubby built little Chinese transformer that does the job okay, albeit with a female to male plug connection.) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks The transformer are different, if there is no voltage switch on the back. On many decks you can change the 240 transformers from 220Volt to 240 Volt. Seen on ZX-7 ZX-9, and my be others too. By soldering on the switch PCB. It is good to do so, because the EU has 230 Volt now. The are tree cables coming from sec. transformer. One is only on a dead point on this small PCB. Take care with the Voltage for the Deck! Check Voltage without fuses in the Deck first. Gerhard From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jan 16 10:38:46 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:38:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks In-Reply-To: <03fa01ca9655$d4fedee0$7efc9ca0$@com> References: <4B4F108E.6070206@univ-rennes1.fr> <03fa01ca9655$d4fedee0$7efc9ca0$@com> Message-ID: <55CC5F99-A9E4-4860-96EE-D941BFD1C41F@peromarta.org> I guess in UK you were downgraded to 230V, just like the rest of europe were upgraded to 230V. Anyway, I would not care too much for a 10% higher voltage - in case of 240, or 5% in case of 230V. Use a DMM and check mains voltage, and come back with the answer. With best rgds, LP. El 16/01/2010, a las 03:44, Graham A Nelson escribió: > Baby question: > If a 220V Nak were run on 240V supply, I presume it would become hotter than > it ought. Correct? But would this difference be damaging? (I have a 220v > ZX9 in the UK. I am not technically able enough to change it to 240v, but I > acquired a grubby built little Chinese transformer that does the job okay, > albeit with a female to male plug connection.) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Gerhard Wartha > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:58 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks > > The transformer are different, if there is no voltage switch on the back. > > On many decks you can change the 240 transformers from 220Volt to 240 Volt. > > Seen on ZX-7 ZX-9, and my be others too. > > By soldering on the switch PCB. > It is good to do so, because the EU > has 230 Volt now. > > The are tree cables coming from sec. transformer. > One is only on a dead point on this small PCB. > > Take care with the Voltage for the Deck! Check Voltage without fuses in the > Deck first. > > Gerhard > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jan 16 18:17:32 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:17:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 3 Message-ID: <7BADC7A8-31FB-4E1A-8C58-01DD9AEBF86C@peromarta.org> Dear all, One quick off-topic. One of my customers has a CD Player 3 with a dead pickup. Are replacements available? Anyone has the make and model for it? Thanks, and best rgds, LP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Jan 15 19:20:52 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:20:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] metal tape formulas Message-ID: <002101ca960f$78a5ad40$69f107c0$@utah.edu> Does anyone know if the tape formula is different between a tdk ma and a tdk mar or max and maxg? Sony SR, XR, MMST? Denon HDM and MGX? Curious if the only difference is the shells. Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                 LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       From dbevandi at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 19:04:48 2010 From: dbevandi at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?DANIEL_BEVANDI=C6?=) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:04:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 3 In-Reply-To: <7BADC7A8-31FB-4E1A-8C58-01DD9AEBF86C@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <67411.8359.qm@web113514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sony KSS210 laser pick up --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Regert Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 3 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 6:17 PM Dear all, One quick off-topic.  One of my customers has a CD Player 3 with a dead pickup. Are replacements available? 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 17:08:37 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:08:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks In-Reply-To: <4B4F108E.6070206@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <4B4F108E.6070206@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <262315.8719.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The schematic in the service manual of a deck will show all available variations of the power transformer. -- Ron ________________________________ From: boitrel To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 7:39:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks Hi everyone, And Happy New Year 2010! My very first question of the year is the following: In Europe the common voltage is 220V. On decks built for the french market, there is a voltage switch 110V-220V on the back of the unit On those for the German market, because of "safety" rules, this voltage swith is not allowed. My question is the following: did Nakamichi build transformers specifically for Germany or they simply used the same as in France, but removed the switch? How can I verify that point on a deck bougth from Germany? Thanks Bernard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 18:50:12 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:50:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: SV: [naktalk] BX-300E Service Manual In-Reply-To: <001201ca9578$68a1aa80$39e4ff80$@se> Message-ID: <634608.46746.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have the BX300E service manual on my PC.  I can e-mail it to you.  About 9 meg PDF file.  You can e-mail me at  wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Bob N --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Tomas Larsson wrote: From: Tomas Larsson Subject: SV: [naktalk] BX-300E Service Manual To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 4:19 PM Hi YJ Drop me a mail, and I'll try to sort out your ebaman problems. With Best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden www.ebaman.com -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] För YJ Skickat: den 13 januari 2010 21:47 Till: naktalk at naks.com Ämne: [naktalk] BX-300E Service Manual Could someone be so kind and upload the BX-300E service manual to hotfile I've tried registering to the ebaman website about 10 times using two different browsers and the website just won't take my registration.. no error message given Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:27 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 10 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > >   1. Recording from Nak to CD (DaLincerGuy) >   2. RE: Ebaman manuals - Thanks, Wouter (Bernard White) >   3. Re: Ruminations on actuator motor (Antoine Desch?nes) >   4. Used Maxell XLII 90s (mfallon at windstream.net) >   5. RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? (Kevin Fetner) >   6. Re: Recording from Nak to CD (Dan Moy) >   7. RE: Recording from Nak to CD (Norm Tallant) >   8. Recording from Nak to CD (Tim and Pam Sepper) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:23:07 -0800 > From: DaLincerGuy > Subject: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <4B4AC3CB.2000402 at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Guy & Co; > > I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. > > Here is what I have worked out so far: > > **  I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my > motherboard.   Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio  there are plenty > of  others to choose from. > > **  I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my > system.   After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one > USB controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). > > ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture > programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH >     along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files.   I like > this program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. > > **  I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or > WAV Lossless)   to store the data as good as I can keep. > > As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the > task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. > > Hope this helps you get started > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 >> From: Guy Facey >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I >> managed >> to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I need >> to >> fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't >> hear >> any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not >> metal, >> but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). >> >> I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do >> things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? >> >> By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 >> with >> Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into >> (1985) >> Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is >> knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more >> CDs >> but I find them a bit disappointing now.... >> Guy >> >> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4759 (20100110) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:29:34 +1300 > From: Bernard White > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Ebaman manuals - Thanks, Wouter > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Thanks so much, Wouter. Success at last. I wasn't familiar with the wiki, > somehow.Sincere thanks to those who have uploaded such things. > Bernard > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a place to manage all your online stuff? Download the new > Windows Live > http://download.live.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/a39fb4e2/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:42:40 -0500 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ruminations on actuator motor > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <17d5ee911001110542k4e1f80a1s11f0c7ada8d19f03 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > Sankyo transports have two large connectors going to the main PCB. If you > disconnect the wire harness that connects the cam switch to the main PCB, > the cam motor will still be connected to the deck through the other > connector (all the motors use this one I think). You might have to power > cycle the deck or something. > > Lifting the head block probably helps, but I don't know if the electronics > will handle the stress for 10 minutes. The cam motor is normally used 1/2 > seconds at the time. > > -- Antoine Deschênes > > > 2010/1/10 ScHenk > >> Hello DLG, >> >> Once more (Antoine was ahead of me); taking apart the motor and repairing >> it is no Rocket Science. It is rather easy, but the first time you will >> learn >> with a possible risk of damage. >> >> BUT: after your running in of the motor it might be as good as ever. Just >> go and use the deck and see. >> >> Now for one of the more ethereal solutions; >> Master of Nakamichi in Holland (Tom van 't Hof) appears to have treaten >> the >> illness differently, so I heard from one of his clients. He openened the >> front of the unit and put it the play position (with help if needed, >> because >> the commando motor fails). When the head block was fully lifted, he would >> put a block between the chassis and the head block to fix it into the >> upmost >> position and even slightly higher. After that he shortened some connector >> on the commando logic to set the commando motor into continious motion >> end >> left it for 10 minutes. Job Done! >> I have never completely copied this trick but I did notice when you >> shorten >> one of the three leaf switches the motor will run contuniously, flipping >> the head block up and down permanently. Because of the wear on the head >> block >> mech you can avoid its movement with the fixing block. >> >> >> Anyone of the Guru's use this trick? >> >> Good listening to the cams, >> Henk Schenk >> >> >------------------------------ >> > >> >Message: 2 >> >Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:49:22 -0800 >> >From: DaLincerGuy >> >Subject: [naktalk] More on Ruminations on actuator motor >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Message-ID: <4B45AE22.5090707 at comcast.net> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> > >> >I took the motor out last night and ran it with 9V battery for 10 mins >> >in each direction. >> > >> >At first it definitely stuttered, and eventually ran nice and smooth. >> > >> >Cleaned the grease off the gears and reinstalled.  Works great now, but >> >> >notice a lot more noise on actuation. >> > >> >Questions: >> > >> >Has anybody actually taken one of these motors apart? >> >Any hints... would rather not destroy the motor attempting to fix it. >> >> >Once apart, I have tools to polish rotor and clean >> >brushes.   Do not like the use of DeOxit inside motor, neither designed >> >> >for the other. >> > >> >> Best wishes for a new Nak year, >> >> Henk Schenk >> >> http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/f0fce60f/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:44:16 -0500 > From: "mfallon at windstream.net" > Subject: [naktalk] Used Maxell XLII 90s > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <380-220101111164416238 at M2W125.mail2web.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Hi > > I have a couple stacks of gently-used/non-smoking environment/seldom > played > Maxell XL-II 90s.  Asking $25 for each batch of 50 XL-II 90.  Price > includes postage and careful packing. > > thanks > mike > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE - Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:57:09 -0800 (PST) > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <507396.78511.qm at web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ram, > Thanks for the clarification. Do you think the difference in sound comes > from selected heads on the 1000ZXL, some different circuitry...or both? I > realize there probably has to be a difference in sound as well, (not just > some features)-hence the two models and price difference when new. > > Kevin > > > > > ________________________________ > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <905722.38408.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Kevin, > > I > have compared a 700ZXL serviced by ANdy Pena of this forum and my stock > 1000ZXL and the 1000 was tighter is the lower frequencies and much > smoother wide spread sound and greater transparency. Now I never did > what Luis has with the technical set up he has. > > The 700ZXls > sound is quite good, sharp ( almost like a Revox B215) but the bass was > a tad lacking compared to the 1000 or even the 680/682 zx decks. > > I ended up selling it for a song on ebay......but regret it now. > > The > 700ZXL has preset bias points as you are expected to select the tape > type prior to calibration. Also the calibrating frequencies are at > three points rather than the four used with the 1000ZXL, which has no > tape selector switch at all and every tape I presume starts off from > scratch while calibrating? > > Luis may we see some day a video of a Dragon Vs a 1000ZXL please? > > Regards, > Ram > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/5cb53c3f/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:30:27 -0500 > From: Dan Moy > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <44ae93bf1001110930m7fad4a0fx41f9f52e2cf9070a at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > If I may I would also like to recommend Edirol UA-1X with Audacity as > a low cost solution with excellent results.  This also assumes you > have a decent preamp... > > Dan > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:23 AM, DaLincerGuy wrote: >> Guy & Co; >> >> I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. >> >> Here is what I have worked out so far: >> >> ** I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my >> motherboard. Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio there are plenty of >> others to choose from. >> >> ** I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my >> system. After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one USB >> controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). >> >> ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture >> programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH >> along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files. I like this >> program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. >> >> ** I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or >> WAV >> Lossless) to store the data as good as I can keep. >> >> As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the >> task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. >> >> Hope this helps you get started >> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 >>> From: Guy Facey >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Message-ID: >>> <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> I can't resist adding that it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I >>> managed >>> to afford my humble BX303 back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I >>> need >>> to >>> fix the rewind) it blew me away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't >>> hear >>> any difference using Dolby C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not >>> metal, >>> but not the cheapest tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). >>> >>> I'm now looking for a way to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do >>> things with the recordings in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? >>> >>> By the way the turntable is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 >>> with >>> Rega arm (recently with a new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into >>> (1985) >>> Musical Fidelity A1 and new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection >>> is >>> knocking my socks off once again. We had been listening to more and more >>> CDs >>> but I find them a bit disappointing now.... >>> Guy >>> >>> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 4759 (20100110) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:53:14 -0800 > From: "Norm Tallant" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <000c01ca9310$dbc8f320$935ad960$@wiretap.be> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >> Guy & Co; >> >> I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. > > I purchased my BX-300 for exactly the same purpose! :) > > Since I moonlight as a musician I use (until tomorrow, anyways) a MOTU 828 > MKII as an audio interface and I use Steinberg Wavelab 6 to capture the > audio.  Though it has some automatic settings for cutting up the tracks, I > do them manually so that I can control the "flow." > > Same goes for vinyl; I use a Technics 1200 MKII into a vintage consumer > model NAD receiver and from there into the MOTU. > > Tomorrow I pick up my new M-Audio Profire 2626... I can't wait to rip > tapes > and vinyls into higher bitrate FLACs! :) > > All the best, > -Norm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:42:34 -0700 > From: "Tim and Pam Sepper" > Subject: [naktalk] Recording from Nak to CD > To: > Message-ID: <005001ca9330$e50b0b60$af212220$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Guy, > > > > I simply use a cable to connect the Nak output to the computer sound card > input.  For software I use Roxio Creator 10.  There is a new 2010 version. > In this suite of programs is a very cool and easy Roxio LP and Tape > Assistant to digital converter.  After it records to WAV (or whatever you > choose) you can then edit the various track dividers and name each track > however you like.  It also has hiss and pop reducer.  Then I have it > convert > to MP3 and I delete the WAV to save hard drive space. > > > > Pretty easy stuff.  I'm sure you could do better, but my non-audiofile > golden ears tell me it is just fine! > > > > Tim Sepper > > > > > Guy & Co; > > I purchased my BX-300 specifically for converting my tape library to CDs. > > Here is what I have worked out so far: > > **  I use an external audio input device rather than the soundcard in my > motherboard.   Specifically a "Groovelab" from M-Audio  there are plenty > of  others to choose from. > > **  I figured out that I have several different USB controllers in my > system.   After a bit of testing, have the Groovelab all alone on one > USB controller to ensure no interfering bandwidth trouble (not RF noise). > > ** After checking out 5 or more different sound to digital file capture > programs I have settled on "Golden Records CD Converter" from NCH >     along with their other tools to make Raw CD digital files.   I like > this program the best so far for automatically splitting my tapes up. > > **  I am building my library using lossless compression (either FLAC or > WAV Lossless)   to store the data as good as I can keep. > > As soon as I get the BX-300 steady, I will be merrily on my way with the > task of converting about 50-100 tapes to digital. > > Hope this helps you get started > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:45 +0800 >> From: Guy Facey > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] > 1. Will a 1000ZXL outperform a CR7 ? >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks   at naks.com > >> > > > Message-ID: > > > <706b68391001090803h4267cd98k186f36ce0da0b8fe at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I can't resist adding > that > it may not be a 1000ZXL or CR7 buy when I managed > > to afford my humble BX303 > back in 1985 (yes I still have it though I need to > > fix the rewind) it blew > me > away when I recorded our LPs and I couldn't hear > > any difference using > Dolby > C and not very expensive tape (ferric, not metal, > > but not the cheapest > tapes). My ears were a lot younger then (I was 32). > > > > I'm now looking for a way > to record from the Nak to CD so that I can do > > things with the > recordings > in our ever more digital world. Tips, anyone? > > > > By the way the turntable > is an equally humble (also 1985) Heybrook TT1 with > > Rega arm (recently with a > new Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge) into (1985) > > Musical Fidelity A1 and > new B&W 684 speakers and the old LP collection is > > knocking my socks off > once > again. We had been listening to more and more CDs > > but I find them a bit > disappointing now.... > > Guy > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100111/cd173473/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 10 > *************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Fri Jan 15 20:09:19 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:09:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tail of 2 Dragons Message-ID: <1416132080-1263582558-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-300117452-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have 2 Dragons, SN 1417 and 249XX, which I have serviced myself. On the newer one, recording tones from 20 to 20k:Hz at -20dB or 0dB it is perfectly flat, less than -1dB variation, when using a Type IV reference tape. . On the older one it is flat within about a dB at -20, but starts to drop off quickly above 12k:z as the input level increases. It is down about -10dB at 0dB input at 20k:Hz. I also have 2 RX505s that, while not as flat as the Dragon, only lose maybe 2-3 dB at 0dB input, as well as 2 Revox B215s, with similar results. I believe this is normal. I have serviced them all. I have a solid understanding of the mechanical alignments and the electronics but am so far stumped on this. Any suggestions greatly appreciated!!! Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 20:32:46 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:32:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: [1000ZXL] How low can the 1000ZXL go? In-Reply-To: <6D6A6A4A-FF2D-4C0B-A623-F93D252E1F88@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <262279.88112.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi LP, The low frequency response for the 1000ZXL is 5 Hertz, which is the frequency where the RAMM signals are encoded. The drop-off you were seeing at 11Hz or so was the roll off of the high pass filter theat prevents the very low signals from being mixed into the signal path. A low frequency was chosen so that even if a tape degrades, due to mishandling or age, the lower frequency is preserved allowing the retrieval of these signals. The 680ZX is spec'ed at 10 Hz, and one of my units does go lower then that ;). However, a variety of factors, including power supply, coupling caps sizing and the bandwidth limitations play a part in the dynamic low frequency of these decks. Cheers! Bala --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Regert Subject: [1000ZXL] How low can the 1000ZXL go? To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 2:47 AM   Find out here. http://naks. es/1000ZXL- 3.html Best regads, Luis. __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Start a New Topic MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Fri Jan 15 23:22:13 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:22:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How low can the 1000ZXL go? In-Reply-To: <6D6A6A4A-FF2D-4C0B-A623-F93D252E1F88@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Flat to 8Hz on RAM's deck. Luis, be sure to find the maximum level you can record 20kHz. RAM's ZXL was -12dB IIRC. Also the 1% THD is reached at +8dB. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:47 PM To: 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] How low can the 1000ZXL go? Find out here. http://naks.es/1000ZXL-3.html Best regads, Luis. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 01:19:58 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:19:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <934512.82833.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> http://badoruxizi.builtfree.org/isofutow.html From williamsunique at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 16 12:09:17 2010 From: williamsunique at yahoo.co.uk (paul williams) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:09:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks In-Reply-To: <03fa01ca9655$d4fedee0$7efc9ca0$@com> Message-ID: <385214.91211.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, Sometime ago the UK standard was changed to 230v.  I would suggest that you measure your voltage.  Without looking at the power supply circuit for your deck, I realy cannot comment as to whether it would be ok to run your deck on 230v, although I should think it would be ok.  The PS regulation would deal with the slight increase in voltage. Many years ago while repairing old valve/tube TVs, there was a voltage tap on a dropper resistor for varying AC mains.  The heaters of the valves were wired in series.  During the Winter months with more demand from the national grid, the mains voltage would drop, TVs would develop  faults because of this.  The cure was to move the tap on the dropper resistor to one which gave less resistance, thus increasing the valve heater votage. Regards Paul. --- On Sat, 16/1/10, Graham A Nelson wrote: From: Graham A Nelson Subject: RE: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, 16 January, 2010, 2:44 Baby question: If a 220V Nak were run on 240V supply, I presume it would become hotter than it ought.  Correct?  But would this difference be damaging?  (I have a 220v ZX9 in the UK.  I am not technically able enough to change it to 240v, but I acquired a grubby built little Chinese transformer that does the job okay, albeit with a female to male plug connection.) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks The transformer are different, if there is no voltage switch on the back. On many decks you can change  the 240 transformers from 220Volt to 240 Volt.   Seen on ZX-7 ZX-9, and my be others too.   By soldering on the switch PCB. It is good to do so, because  the EU has 230 Volt now. The are tree cables coming from sec. transformer. One is only on a dead point on this small PCB. Take care with the Voltage  for the Deck! Check Voltage without fuses in the Deck first. Gerhard ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Sat Jan 16 13:42:50 2010 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:42:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks In-Reply-To: <03fa01ca9655$d4fedee0$7efc9ca0$@com> References: <4B4F108E.6070206@univ-rennes1.fr> <03fa01ca9655$d4fedee0$7efc9ca0$@com> Message-ID: <4C36E7E6A1634D2B918EFCB0CD0C5481@asus> Graham, Not only is our "standard" voltage now 230v as has been pointed out, but the generating companies in the UK (and hence EU) are allowed some variance in this as well - getting on for 10% plus or minus. So you might see 255v, or 210v, and this will change dependant on time of day, and day of the week. As a kid I always wondered why the crashing chords of "Pinball Wizard" sounded so wimpish during the day (when my Dad was out at work!), to the evening or weekends, and it is thanks to the draw that local industry would make. I think there is also an effect dependent on how close you are to a generating station. There was some discussion on this in a recent Hi-Fi world. Older equipment (maybe Naks!) might be less tolerant of this than newer, and Louis's transformer mod could be an answer. Sorry about the "ifs", "buts" and "maybes", but its clear that your 220v ZX9 can cope. Whether it would sound better if tweaked to be 230v, is a bit of a gamble. But taking some voltage readings at different times of the day, and days of the week could lead you to an average value, from which you might want to decide if its worth the risk. regards, Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham A Nelson Sent: 16 January 2010 02:45 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks Baby question: If a 220V Nak were run on 240V supply, I presume it would become hotter than it ought. Correct? But would this difference be damaging? (I have a 220v ZX9 in the UK. I am not technically able enough to change it to 240v, but I acquired a grubby built little Chinese transformer that does the job okay, albeit with a female to male plug connection.) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks The transformer are different, if there is no voltage switch on the back. On many decks you can change the 240 transformers from 220Volt to 240 Volt. Seen on ZX-7 ZX-9, and my be others too. By soldering on the switch PCB. It is good to do so, because the EU has 230 Volt now. The are tree cables coming from sec. transformer. One is only on a dead point on this small PCB. Take care with the Voltage for the Deck! Check Voltage without fuses in the Deck first. Gerhard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4777 (20100116) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4777 (20100116) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4777 (20100116) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 19:12:27 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:12:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks In-Reply-To: <55CC5F99-A9E4-4860-96EE-D941BFD1C41F@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <696526.7320.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Presumably the internal voltage regulation takes care of the supply voltages, so internal supplies to the deck will remain the same irregardless of voltage input or fluctuation. Because of this, the current draw will also be kept to a constant, which means the transformer will get slightly warmer then normal but not too hot. Rest easy guys. --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Regert Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 5:38 PM I guess in UK you were downgraded to 230V, just like the rest of europe were upgraded to 230V. Anyway, I would not care too much for a 10% higher voltage - in case of 240, or 5% in case of 230V. Use a DMM and check mains voltage, and come back with the answer. With best rgds, LP. El 16/01/2010, a las 03:44, Graham A Nelson escribió: > Baby question: > If a 220V Nak were run on 240V supply, I presume it would become hotter than > it ought.  Correct?  But would this difference be damaging?  (I have a 220v > ZX9 in the UK.  I am not technically able enough to change it to 240v, but I > acquired a grubby built little Chinese transformer that does the job okay, > albeit with a female to male plug connection.) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Gerhard Wartha > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:58 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks > > The transformer are different, if there is no voltage switch on the back. > > On many decks you can change  the 240 transformers from 220Volt to 240 Volt. > >  Seen on ZX-7 ZX-9, and my be others too. > >  By soldering on the switch PCB. > It is good to do so, because  the EU > has 230 Volt now. > > The are tree cables coming from sec. transformer. > One is only on a dead point on this small PCB. > > Take care with the Voltage  for the Deck! 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URL: From vidalgo at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 22:56:53 2010 From: vidalgo at gmail.com (Vitaly Ovseitsev) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:56:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks In-Reply-To: <55CC5F99-A9E4-4860-96EE-D941BFD1C41F@peromarta.org> References: <4B4F108E.6070206@univ-rennes1.fr> <03fa01ca9655$d4fedee0$7efc9ca0$@com> <55CC5F99-A9E4-4860-96EE-D941BFD1C41F@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <61ffb2d51001161356r20e69604wa167000f75b838dd@mail.gmail.com> Good point. 220/240 countries goes to 230V. Good for transformers which were designed for 240V main. Transformer wounded for 220V in an modern "economy way" will go (probably) to core saturation. At least at peak current consumption (that's occurs twice per main cycle because of using diode bridge and large capacitive filters) . This means to rise primary average current, overheating and (more important) - exccessive electromagnetic field to other parts. I have one on hand - rated for 15VA, it measured with 12W losses without load! Good for build an demagnetizer. Generally, good transformer accept reasonable wide main variations - says, within 5-10% or slightly more. I believe the Naks transformers were good designed (old-time school) and no problem at all. What is conclusion from my story. Do not buy transformer/adapter if it not exactly mated to your main. That's all. cheers Vitaly On 1/16/10, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > I guess in UK you were downgraded to 230V, just like the rest of europe were > upgraded to 230V. > > Anyway, I would not care too much for a 10% higher voltage - in case of 240, > or 5% in case of 230V. > > Use a DMM and check mains voltage, and come back with the answer. > > With best rgds, LP. > > El 16/01/2010, a las 03:44, Graham A Nelson escribió: > >> Baby question: >> If a 220V Nak were run on 240V supply, I presume it would become hotter >> than >> it ought. Correct? But would this difference be damaging? (I have a >> 220v >> ZX9 in the UK. I am not technically able enough to change it to 240v, but >> I >> acquired a grubby built little Chinese transformer that does the job okay, >> albeit with a female to male plug connection.) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Gerhard Wartha >> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:58 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks >> >> The transformer are different, if there is no voltage switch on the back. >> >> On many decks you can change the 240 transformers from 220Volt to 240 >> Volt. >> >> Seen on ZX-7 ZX-9, and my be others too. >> >> By soldering on the switch PCB. >> It is good to do so, because the EU >> has 230 Volt now. >> >> The are tree cables coming from sec. transformer. >> One is only on a dead point on this small PCB. >> >> Take care with the Voltage for the Deck! Check Voltage without fuses in >> the >> Deck first. >> >> Gerhard >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 23:37:29 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:37:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal tape formulas In-Reply-To: <002101ca960f$78a5ad40$69f107c0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <366127.54976.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, The TDK MA and the MA-R have the same exact single coated tape inside different shells. The Sa-X and SA-XG have the dual coated tape inside different shells. The TDK MA-x and the MA-XG have the same dual coated -X tape inside different shells. I have no clue about SR/XR of sony or even the SSMM OR the SMM differences. The TDK differences are the shells alone. Ram --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: [naktalk] metal tape formulas To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 1:20 PM Does anyone know if the tape formula is different between a tdk ma and a tdk mar or max and maxg? Sony SR, XR, MMST? Denon HDM and MGX? Curious if the only difference is the shells.  === -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Jan 17 13:06:45 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:06:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 3 In-Reply-To: <0B5B7D760FFE443AAD434C06286206AB@superdator> References: <7BADC7A8-31FB-4E1A-8C58-01DD9AEBF86C@peromarta.org> <0B5B7D760FFE443AAD434C06286206AB@superdator> Message-ID: <7BB9111B-A10A-4984-B11B-249F174DDD29@peromarta.org> Gracias amigo ! El 17/01/2010, a las 09:34, Pär Ericsson escribió: > Luis! > > I had a problem with a CDPlayer 3 once. Thought it was the laser head so I replaced it. No success! Then after some > measurement I decided to replace all the caps on the RF amp pcb. After that everything was back to normal. I also > replaced the rubber belt for the tray mechanism because this has a tendency to get slack after some years. > > Good luck/Pelle. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Luis Peromarta Regert > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:17 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 3 > > Dear all, > > One quick off-topic. > > One of my customers has a CD Player 3 with a dead pickup. Are replacements available? 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 12:08:01 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:08:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks In-Reply-To: <61ffb2d51001161356r20e69604wa167000f75b838dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4F108E.6070206@univ-rennes1.fr> <03fa01ca9655$d4fedee0$7efc9ca0$@com> <55CC5F99-A9E4-4860-96EE-D941BFD1C41F@peromarta.org> <61ffb2d51001161356r20e69604wa167000f75b838dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38C1BD8F-8CBD-445A-8338-E533B079ED19@gmail.com> Hi, Europe, The voltage regulator in the Decks will handle the 220V to 240V voltage anyway. And the 220 Models from ZX-7 and ZX-9, and me be other Decks from this age have a 240 and a 220 Volt option. Switching the soldering point from the red and the orange cable on the Power Switch P.C.B. Ass´y. will change from 220 to 240 and vise-versa. No need to switch from 240Volt to 220Volt because of using 230 Volt. Little less temperature from the transformer by switching from 220 to 240 because of using 230Volt. The Photo shows the ZX-9 and ZX-7 P.C.B. Ass´y If you change anything, check voltage in the Deck without Power supply fuses in the Deck first ! reagards Gerhard  One of this cables coming from the secondary transformer side , are on solder on a dead point with no connection to the Deck. Am 16.01.2010 um 22:56 schrieb Vitaly Ovseitsev: > Good point. > 220/240 countries goes to 230V. > Good for transformers which were designed for 240V main. > Transformer wounded for 220V in an modern "economy way" will go > (probably) to core saturation. At least at peak current consumption > (that's occurs twice per main cycle because of using diode bridge and > large capacitive filters) . This means to rise primary average > current, overheating and (more important) - exccessive electromagnetic > field to other parts. I have one on hand - rated for 15VA, it measured > with 12W losses without load! Good for build an demagnetizer. > Generally, good transformer accept reasonable wide main variations - > says, within 5-10% or slightly more. I believe the Naks transformers > were good designed (old-time school) and no problem at all. > What is conclusion from my story. Do not buy transformer/adapter if it > not exactly mated to your main. That's all. > > cheers > Vitaly > > > On 1/16/10, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >> I guess in UK you were downgraded to 230V, just like the rest of >> europe were >> upgraded to 230V. >> >> Anyway, I would not care too much for a 10% higher voltage - in >> case of 240, >> or 5% in case of 230V. >> >> Use a DMM and check mains voltage, and come back with the answer. >> >> With best rgds, LP. >> >> El 16/01/2010, a las 03:44, Graham A Nelson escribió: >> >>> Baby question: >>> If a 220V Nak were run on 240V supply, I presume it would become >>> hotter >>> than >>> it ought. Correct? But would this difference be damaging? (I >>> have a >>> 220v >>> ZX9 in the UK. I am not technically able enough to change it to >>> 240v, but >>> I >>> acquired a grubby built little Chinese transformer that does the >>> job okay, >>> albeit with a female to male plug connection.) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Gerhard Wartha >>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:58 AM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks >>> >>> The transformer are different, if there is no voltage switch on >>> the back. >>> >>> On many decks you can change the 240 transformers from 220Volt >>> to 240 >>> Volt. >>> >>> Seen on ZX-7 ZX-9, and my be others too. >>> >>> By soldering on the switch PCB. >>> It is good to do so, because the EU >>> has 230 Volt now. >>> >>> The are tree cables coming from sec. transformer. >>> One is only on a dead point on this small PCB. >>> >>> Take care with the Voltage for the Deck! 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Most of their product is rated at 220V. At the transformer secondary one can measure very high output voltage compare to the stated voltage on the transformer. I fully agreed that Jap stuff are really good standard. On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Vitaly Ovseitsev wrote: > Good point. > 220/240 countries goes to 230V. > Good for transformers which were designed for 240V main. > Transformer wounded for 220V in an modern "economy way" will go > (probably) to core saturation. At least at peak current consumption > (that's occurs twice per main cycle because of using diode bridge and > large capacitive filters) . This means to rise primary average > current, overheating and (more important) - exccessive electromagnetic > field to other parts. I have one on hand - rated for 15VA, it measured > with 12W losses without load! Good for build an demagnetizer. > Generally, good transformer accept reasonable wide main variations - > says, within 5-10% or slightly more. I believe the Naks transformers > were good designed (old-time school) and no problem at all. > What is conclusion from my story. Do not buy transformer/adapter if it > not exactly mated to your main. That's all. > > cheers > Vitaly > > > On 1/16/10, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > > I guess in UK you were downgraded to 230V, just like the rest of europe > were > > upgraded to 230V. > > > > Anyway, I would not care too much for a 10% higher voltage - in case of > 240, > > or 5% in case of 230V. > > > > Use a DMM and check mains voltage, and come back with the answer. > > > > With best rgds, LP. > > > > El 16/01/2010, a las 03:44, Graham A Nelson escribió: > > > >> Baby question: > >> If a 220V Nak were run on 240V supply, I presume it would become hotter > >> than > >> it ought. Correct? But would this difference be damaging? (I have a > >> 220v > >> ZX9 in the UK. I am not technically able enough to change it to 240v, > but > >> I > >> acquired a grubby built little Chinese transformer that does the job > okay, > >> albeit with a female to male plug connection.) > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > >> Of Gerhard Wartha > >> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:58 AM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks > >> > >> The transformer are different, if there is no voltage switch on the > back. > >> > >> On many decks you can change the 240 transformers from 220Volt to 240 > >> Volt. > >> > >> Seen on ZX-7 ZX-9, and my be others too. > >> > >> By soldering on the switch PCB. > >> It is good to do so, because the EU > >> has 230 Volt now. > >> > >> The are tree cables coming from sec. transformer. > >> One is only on a dead point on this small PCB. > >> > >> Take care with the Voltage for the Deck! 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Yes, it will tun hotter on higher voltages, but this was designed for and is no cause for concern. Just make sure the deck receives adequate ventilation. Also, changing a 220V deck to 240V involves moving one connection, which is trivial for any professional tech. To my surprise I see there is an error in the schematic showing UK power connections, but, again, this shouldn't faze any knowledgeable tech. Bottom line -- you can probably have a local professional do the chageover for minimal cost. It's a good idea to provide him with a printout of the rightmost portion of figure 7.3 (page 34) from the ZX-9 service manual. Good luck, -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Jan 17 16:40:13 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:40:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks In-Reply-To: <03fa01ca9655$d4fedee0$7efc9ca0$@com> References: <4B4F108E.6070206@univ-rennes1.fr> <03fa01ca9655$d4fedee0$7efc9ca0$@com> Message-ID: <549307.50724.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Graham, The ZX-9 owner manual does not specify the allowed variations of the power line voltage, but ±10% is a fairly safe assumption. This means that a ZX-9 set for 220VAC will be happy with anything from 198V to 242V. Yes, it will tun hotter on higher voltages, but this was designed for and is no cause for concern. Just make sure the deck receives adequate ventilation. Also, changing a 220V deck to 240V involves moving one connection, which is trivial for any professional tech. To my surprise I see there is an error in the schematic showing UK power connections, but, again, this shouldn't faze any knowledgeable tech. Bottom line -- you can probably have a local professional do the chageover for minimal cost. It's a good idea to provide him with a printout of the rightmost portion of figure 7.3 (page 34) from the ZX-9 service manual. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Graham A Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 9:44:30 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks Baby question: If a 220V Nak were run on 240V supply, I presume it would become hotter than it ought. Correct? But would this difference be damaging? (I have a 220v ZX9 in the UK. I am not technically able enough to change it to 240v, but I acquired a grubby built little Chinese transformer that does the job okay, albeit with a female to male plug connection.) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks The transformer are different, if there is no voltage switch on the back. On many decks you can change the 240 transformers from 220Volt to 240 Volt. Seen on ZX-7 ZX-9, and my be others too. By soldering on the switch PCB. It is good to do so, because the EU has 230 Volt now. The are tree cables coming from sec. transformer. One is only on a dead point on this small PCB. Take care with the Voltage for the Deck! Check Voltage without fuses in the Deck first. Gerhard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Sun Jan 17 17:18:00 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:18:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tail of 2 Dragons In-Reply-To: <201001171203.o0HBs8eo002946@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001171203.o0HBs8eo002946@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <895492.49017.qm@web113716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Perry Two possibilities come to mind. On Dragons and RX505's, the record to playback frequency response at 0dB will be a little better than 20KHz on Dolby C, and about 13KHz on Dolby B. On both of these decks, it will be about 20KHz at -20dB recording level, on Dolby C, Dolby B, and Dolby Off. You can easily check this on any of your decks, by measuring the bandwidth at 0dB on Dolby B. I wonder if the Dragon that is measuring poorly at 0dB record level has a Dolby problem, and doesn't operate in Dolby C (even though you select C, and the C light is on). Alternatively, worn heads can give a poor response at high recording levels. Generally if your heads are worn, the L and R channels will not have the same response, and you'll also see considerable phase difference between channels at high frequencies. The head surface will also generally show a wear pattern, or corrosion, or pitting. Regards John Gipps Message: 8 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:09:19 +0000 From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Tail of 2 Dragons To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <1416132080-1263582558-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-300117452- at bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain I have 2 Dragons, SN 1417 and 249XX, which I have serviced myself. On the newer one, recording tones from 20 to 20k:Hz at -20dB or 0dB it is perfectly flat, less than -1dB variation, when using a Type IV reference tape. . On the older one it is flat within about a dB at -20, but starts to drop off quickly above 12k:z as the input level increases. It is down about -10dB at 0dB input at 20k:Hz. I also have 2 RX505s that, while not as flat as the Dragon, only lose maybe 2-3 dB at 0dB input, as well as 2 Revox B215s, with similar results. I believe this is normal. I have serviced them all. I have a solid understanding of the mechanical alignments and the electronics but am so far stumped on this. Any suggestions greatly appreciated!!! Perry Esposito __________________________________________________________________________________ See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Sun Jan 17 17:14:56 2010 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:14:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 3 In-Reply-To: <7BB9111B-A10A-4984-B11B-249F174DDD29@peromarta.org> References: <7BADC7A8-31FB-4E1A-8C58-01DD9AEBF86C@peromarta.org> <0B5B7D760FFE443AAD434C06286206AB@superdator> <7BB9111B-A10A-4984-B11B-249F174DDD29@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <4B533780.4080706@hol.gr> Pelle where did you get the rubber belt for the tray mech? Thanks Manos O/H Luis Peromarta Regert ??????: > Gracias amigo ! > > El 17/01/2010, a las 09:34, Pär Ericsson escribió: > >> Luis! >> >> I had a problem with a CDPlayer 3 once. Thought it was the laser head >> so I replaced it. No success! Then after some >> measurement I decided to replace all the caps on the RF amp pcb. >> After that everything was back to normal. I also >> replaced the rubber belt for the tray mechanism because this has a >> tendency to get slack after some years. >> >> Good luck/Pelle. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Luis Peromarta Regert >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:17 PM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 3 >> >> Dear all, >> >> One quick off-topic. >> >> One of my customers has a CD Player 3 with a dead pickup. Are >> replacements available? Anyone has the make and model for it? >> >> Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account >> here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 17 17:20:48 2010 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:20:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 erase trouble Message-ID: HI, I am going through a nice LX-3 for a friend. I just replaced all of the rubber, cleaned it and demagged it and adjusted the azimuth with my scope and a test tape Kannan made for me. All was looking perfect when I discovered it was not fully erasing the right channel. I did have to adjust the azimuth, but not much. Can the erase head be out of alignment? Where should I start looking? I have the service manual somewhere. Ken From koman56 at hol.gr Sun Jan 17 17:24:03 2010 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:24:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <934512.82833.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <934512.82833.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B5339A3.7060405@hol.gr> Kevin your yahoo account has been compromised check it out.......Manos O/H Kevin Fetner έγραψε: > http://badoruxizi.builtfree.org/isofutow.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jan 17 17:45:32 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:45:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tail of 2 Dragons In-Reply-To: <1416132080-1263582558-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-300117452-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <704785.48544.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cassette Deck frequency response is specified at -20dB referenced to a 0dB at 400Hz ( This reference itself is sometimes misused by many tape deck manufacturers but Nak uses 200nWeb per met sq - dolby reference ) and also Frequency response within - 3dB is acceptable. However many Naks ( 3 heads) do this even at -10dB recording levels levels, no Cassette Decks can do beyond this for Frequencies above 12 Khz ( I do not expect even 10 Khz do decently at 0dB. Since music signals do not contain HF signals any thing nearing even -10dB refrenced to Dolby ref. So you need not worry about checking 20 Khz at 0dB. More important is THD and IMD as well overload factors which affect music recording If you can check the distortion , you will find definite differences between two Dragons clearly This difference can be easily identifiable on sound quality Also check the flatness of Line amp and there are surprises in the Dragon' line amp . Large number of caps are playing definite part on all these including Electrolytics in Dolby /Play /record amps Kannan --- On Fri, 1/15/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] Tail of 2 Dragons > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 2:09 PM > I have 2 Dragons, SN 1417 and 249XX, > which I have serviced myself.   On the newer > one, recording tones from 20 to 20k:Hz at -20dB or 0dB it is > perfectly flat, less than -1dB variation, when using a Type > IV reference tape. . On the older one it is flat within > about a dB at -20, but starts to drop off quickly above > 12k:z as the input level increases. It is down about -10dB > at 0dB input at 20k:Hz.   I also have 2 > RX505s that, while not as flat as the Dragon, only lose > maybe 2-3 dB at 0dB input, as well as 2 Revox B215s, with > similar results.  I believe this is normal.  I > have serviced them all.  I have a solid understanding > of the mechanical alignments and the electronics but am so > far stumped on this. Any suggestions greatly appreciated!!! > Perry Esposito > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sun Jan 17 17:56:12 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:56:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] metal tape formulas In-Reply-To: <366127.54976.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <002101ca960f$78a5ad40$69f107c0$@utah.edu> <366127.54976.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006301ca9795$fa921780$efb64680$@utah.edu> Thanks RAM. I was thinking this is the case. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal tape formulas Hi, The TDK MA and the MA-R have the same exact single coated tape inside different shells. The Sa-X and SA-XG have the dual coated tape inside different shells. The TDK MA-x and the MA-XG have the same dual coated -X tape inside different shells. I have no clue about SR/XR of sony or even the SSMM OR the SMM differences. The TDK differences are the shells alone. Ram --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: [naktalk] metal tape formulas To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 1:20 PM Does anyone know if the tape formula is different between a tdk ma and a tdk mar or max and maxg? Sony SR, XR, MMST? Denon HDM and MGX? 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Anything too uncomfortable to touch means you will need a second transformer. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:12 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks Presumably the internal voltage regulation takes care of the supply voltages, so internal supplies to the deck will remain the same irregardless of voltage input or fluctuation. Because of this, the current draw will also be kept to a constant, which means the transformer will get slightly warmer then normal but not too hot. Rest easy guys. --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Regert Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 5:38 PM I guess in UK you were downgraded to 230V, just like the rest of europe were upgraded to 230V. Anyway, I would not care too much for a 10% higher voltage - in case of 240, or 5% in case of 230V. Use a DMM and check mains voltage, and come back with the answer. With best rgds, LP. El 16/01/2010, a las 03:44, Graham A Nelson escribió: > Baby question: > If a 220V Nak were run on 240V supply, I presume it would become hotter than > it ought. Correct? But would this difference be damaging? (I have a 220v > ZX9 in the UK. I am not technically able enough to change it to 240v, but I > acquired a grubby built little Chinese transformer that does the job okay, > albeit with a female to male plug connection.) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Gerhard Wartha > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:58 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 220V Single voltage decks > > The transformer are different, if there is no voltage switch on the back. > > On many decks you can change the 240 transformers from 220Volt to 240 Volt. > > Seen on ZX-7 ZX-9, and my be others too. > > By soldering on the switch PCB. > It is good to do so, because the EU > has 230 Volt now. > > The are tree cables coming from sec. transformer. > One is only on a dead point on this small PCB. > > Take care with the Voltage for the Deck! 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URL: From hitech at birch.net Sun Jan 17 19:07:43 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:07:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tail of 2 Dragons In-Reply-To: <1416132080-1263582558-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-300117452-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Perry, Your second Dragon is normal. It SHOULD have a level drop recording 12kHz at 0Vu. That first Dragon and the 505s are worth megabux if it truly is flat at 20kHz 0Vu. Recheck your levels and I think you will find an error testing your decks. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Tail of 2 Dragons I have 2 Dragons, SN 1417 and 249XX, which I have serviced myself. On the newer one, recording tones from 20 to 20k:Hz at -20dB or 0dB it is perfectly flat, less than -1dB variation, when using a Type IV reference tape. . On the older one it is flat within about a dB at -20, but starts to drop off quickly above 12k:z as the input level increases. It is down about -10dB at 0dB input at 20k:Hz. I also have 2 RX505s that, while not as flat as the Dragon, only lose maybe 2-3 dB at 0dB input, as well as 2 Revox B215s, with similar results. I believe this is normal. I have serviced them all. I have a solid understanding of the mechanical alignments and the electronics but am so far stumped on this. Any suggestions greatly appreciated!!! Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From girolamous at yahoo.com Sun Jan 17 21:46:06 2010 From: girolamous at yahoo.com (j. helffrich) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:46:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 transformer In-Reply-To: <201001171203.o0HBs8eo002946@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <73919.12790.qm@web113516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All,  This talk about power transformers made me think about a problem I have with a Japanese ZX-9.  I bought this off eBay several years ago not knowing it was Japanese, and when I got it I looked at the back and saw it was set up for 100 V line power.  I'm in the USA where line power is 117 VAC and was concerned about using it, but when I contacted the seller he told me he'd been using it that way for years, so I plugged it in with the cover off, seeing no evident problems.  Would anyone care to comment on what to look for as signs of potential problems--like caps smoking, motors hot, etc?  I've probed the +/- 15 power supply rails and the DC voltages all seem to be within 1 Volt of spec, so I figured the only problems would be in the supply components.  This deck is rarely used, since I have a Dragon that has heads in better shape.  Where can one get replacement heads for a ZX-9? Thanks, Jerry Helffrich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Mon Jan 18 02:33:26 2010 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:33:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 3 In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901001161042t329309b9s87d66b120c6bc395@mail.gmail.com> References: <7BADC7A8-31FB-4E1A-8C58-01DD9AEBF86C@peromarta.org> <4b6f92901001161042t329309b9s87d66b120c6bc395@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B53BA66.8070102@windstream.net> Willy Hermann wrote: > Luis - > > That's a Sony KSS-210A which is available cheap all over the place. > Don"t forget the solder bridge on the new one! > > Willy > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert > > wrote: > > Dear all, > > One quick off-topic. > > One of my customers has a CD Player 3 with a dead pickup. Are > replacements available? Anyone has the make and model for it? > > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= I have the same problem with a CD Player 4, Solder Bridge? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simp at nyc.rr.com Mon Jan 18 07:47:52 2010 From: simp at nyc.rr.com (SIMProductions) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:47:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 transformer In-Reply-To: <73919.12790.qm@web113516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <73919.12790.qm@web113516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ESL in Connecticut replaced my ZX-9 heads. From: j. helffrich Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 transformer Hi All, This talk about power transformers made me think about a problem I have with a Japanese ZX-9. I bought this off eBay several years ago not knowing it was Japanese, and when I got it I looked at the back and saw it was set up for 100 V line power. I'm in the USA where line power is 117 VAC and was concerned about using it, but when I contacted the seller he told me he'd been using it that way for years, so I plugged it in with the cover off, seeing no evident problems. Would anyone care to comment on what to look for as signs of potential problems--like caps smoking, motors hot, etc? I've probed the +/- 15 power supply rails and the DC voltages all seem to be within 1 Volt of spec, so I figured the only problems would be in the supply components. This deck is rarely used, since I have a Dragon that has heads in better shape. Where can one get replacement heads for a ZX-9? Thanks, Jerry Helffrich -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 07:10:28 2010 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:10:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 transformer In-Reply-To: <73919.12790.qm@web113516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <830481.16579.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You need to have one of the techs relap the heads. I believe Willy or Tom do this. David --- On Sun, 1/17/10, j. helffrich wrote: >  Where can > one get replacement heads for a ZX-9? From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Jan 18 07:15:14 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tail of 2 Dragons In-Reply-To: <1552595547.16458241263793828280.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <483140239.16459651263795314157.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> DOH!....Well, my face is red. As Anna Roseanna Danna would say..."Nevermind.." Thanks for all the replies, it was a combination of rookie mistakes on my part. As Tom pointed out, I was doing and reading the calibration correctly on the older Dragon, but on my other decks, which I had done weeks earlier, I must have mistaken -20db and -10db actual signal inputs with 0db referenced on the input meters of the decks via the input levels, and as indicated on my analyzer. And as John Gipps had correctly guessed, when I checked my notes, I had done them all in dolby C. I use a Leader Audio Analyzer, with a true VTVM meter, and the scale knob is a typical 1-3 step, with 10db per step. So while I was staring at 0db on the meter needle, I must have been on the -10db or -20db scale, and didn't note it. When I did a quick check, with dolby off, on some of my other decks, they all rolled off at 0db actual signal input (.775V). However, the other Dragon and one of the RX505s is flatter to a much higher input level (around -10db) than the older Dragon and the other 505, which could just be a head wear or maybe a cap issue, as some have pointed out. I'm still learning a lot as I work on these great decks, and now have added a T-100 to the arsenal, so I can get myself in to even more trouble. Thanks all, Perry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Jan 18 09:15:41 2010 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:15:41 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CD Player 4 Message-ID: Luis While on the topic of CD Players, would your transformer be suitable for a CD Player 4 which is 110V? We have 240V in Australia. Thanks David From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Mon Jan 18 10:25:30 2010 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:25:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 transformer References: <73919.12790.qm@web113516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01ca9820$2dc60cd0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Jerry, I would think that the biggest problem would be the voltage regulator running hot, but it may very well handle the extra load OK. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: j. helffrich To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 transformer Hi All, This talk about power transformers made me think about a problem I have with a Japanese ZX-9. I bought this off eBay several years ago not knowing it was Japanese, and when I got it I looked at the back and saw it was set up for 100 V line power. I'm in the USA where line power is 117 VAC and was concerned about using it, but when I contacted the seller he told me he'd been using it that way for years, so I plugged it in with the cover off, seeing no evident problems. Would anyone care to comment on what to look for as signs of potential problems--like caps smoking, motors hot, etc? I've probed the +/- 15 power supply rails and the DC voltages all seem to be within 1 Volt of spec, so I figured the only problems would be in the supply components. This deck is rarely used, since I have a Dragon that has heads in better shape. Where can one get replacement heads for a ZX-9? Thanks, Jerry Helffrich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 18 14:19:25 2010 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:19:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 erase trouble Message-ID: <4B545FDD.6030604@sbcglobal.net> OK, more information.... I do have the service manual. The deck records and plays back perfectly with Chrome tape. It only has trouble with metal tape. It will not fully erase the right channel with metal tape. What it leaves is low in level, about 4 led's lit on the meter scale. It is muffled, almost like crosstalk. I don't have a frequency counter, but have a Tectronix scope so I can measure the bias frequency. The service manual says to short a resistor to increase erase current if below spec of about 350ma. I was hoping someone has seen this problem before and has an idea. I just find it strange it is only one channel. Thanks, Ken From johngipps at ymail.com Mon Jan 18 15:18:40 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:18:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tail of 2 Dragons In-Reply-To: <201001181118.o0IB9EO8022923@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001181118.o0IB9EO8022923@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <422778.93211.qm@web113719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan and Tom Perry's data at 0dB is fine as long as it's a measurement using Dolby C. Any Nakamichi deck with Dolby C will achieve a much wider frequency response at a recording level of 0dB using Dolby C as opposed to Dolby B or Dolby Off. On a good Nakamichi 3 head, the comparison is generally about 20KHz with Dolby C on, and about 13KHz with Dolby B or Dolby Off for recordings made at 0dB record level. Not only can you measure this for yourselves, but you can also find it in numerous Nakamichi Owner Manuals in the Specification section - see the graphs showing response at 0dB for Dolby C and Dolby B.. So Perry, the odd man out is your Dragon that only makes it to 12KHz at 0dB record level on Dolby C. Back in the 80's, I used to use Nakamichi decks to make live recordings of light opera for a G&S group that I belonged to. I used two decks - a ZX-9, and a 1000ZXL. I soon found that when limited by having only Dolby B, the 1000ZXL just couldn't handle the live signal from, say, a stage full of singers in full voice.. The results from it sounded quite distorted. The ZX-9, with Dolby C, had no trouble and sounded magnificent. When the outboard Dolby C was added to the 1000ZXL, it could do the same job. This was a real wake up to me of the incredible advantage of Dolby C over Dolby B. You won't notice as much difference on recorded music, because it has such a less dynamic structure, but if I have Dolby C available, I always use it when recording. Regards John Gipps Message: 11 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:45:32 -0800 (PST) From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tail of 2 Dragons To: perry.nak at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <704785.48544.qm at web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cassette Deck frequency response is specified at -20dB referenced to a 0dB at 400Hz ( This reference itself is sometimes misused by many tape deck manufacturers but Nak uses 200nWeb per met sq - dolby reference ) and also Frequency response within - 3dB is acceptable. However many Naks ( 3 heads) do this even at -10dB recording levels levels, no Cassette Decks can do beyond this for Frequencies above 12 Khz ( I do not expect even 10 Khz do decently at 0dB. Since music signals do not contain HF signals any thing nearing even -10dB refrenced to Dolby ref. So you need not worry about checking 20 Khz at 0dB. More important is THD and IMD as well overload factors which affect music recording If you can check the distortion , you will find definite differences between two Dragons clearly This difference can be easily identifiable on sound quality Also check the flatness of Line amp and there are surprises in the Dragon' line amp . Large number of caps are playing definite part on all these including Electrolytics in Dolby /Play /record amps Kannan Message: 14 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:07:43 -0600 From: "tom brucker" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tail of 2 Dragons To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Perry, Your second Dragon is normal. It SHOULD have a level drop recording 12kHz at 0Vu. That first Dragon and the 505s are worth megabux if it truly is flat at 20kHz 0Vu. Recheck your levels and I think you will find an error testing your decks. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Tail of 2 Dragons I have 2 Dragons, SN 1417 and 249XX, which I have serviced myself. On the newer one, recording tones from 20 to 20k:Hz at -20dB or 0dB it is perfectly flat, less than -1dB variation, when using a Type IV reference tape. . On the older one it is flat within about a dB at -20, but starts to drop off quickly above 12k:z as the input level increases. It is down about -10dB at 0dB input at 20k:Hz. I also have 2 RX505s that, while not as flat as the Dragon, only lose maybe 2-3 dB at 0dB input, as well as 2 Revox B215s, with similar results. I believe this is normal. I have serviced them all. I have a solid understanding of the mechanical alignments and the electronics but am so far stumped on this. Any suggestions greatly appreciated!!! Perry Esposito __________________________________________________________________________________ See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Mon Jan 18 20:07:44 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:07:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 3 References: <7BADC7A8-31FB-4E1A-8C58-01DD9AEBF86C@peromarta.org> <0B5B7D760FFE443AAD434C06286206AB@superdator><7BB9111B-A10A-4984-B11B-249F174DDD29@peromarta.org> <4B533780.4080706@hol.gr> Message-ID: <0476C99C71CE43FF83BBFDE2F1E921CA@superdator> I bought from Electronix.com (you has to measure the belt yourself) and from marscommunication (complete kit). I have not installed the belt from mars but I assume that it will fit since all the other kit I bought from him has worked very well. Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Emmanuel T. Komninos To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 3 Pelle where did you get the rubber belt for the tray mech? Thanks Manos O/H Luis Peromarta Regert ??????: Gracias amigo ! El 17/01/2010, a las 09:34, Pär Ericsson escribió: Luis! I had a problem with a CDPlayer 3 once. Thought it was the laser head so I replaced it. No success! Then after some measurement I decided to replace all the caps on the RF amp pcb. After that everything was back to normal. I also replaced the rubber belt for the tray mechanism because this has a tendency to get slack after some years. Good luck/Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Luis Peromarta Regert To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 3 Dear all, One quick off-topic. One of my customers has a CD Player 3 with a dead pickup. Are replacements available? Anyone has the make and model for it? 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URL: From hitech at birch.net Mon Jan 18 20:22:36 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:22:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 transformer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ZX 9 heads are selected by the factory for higher levels of performance. Jeff Galin at ESL may have ZX 9 heads, but you will not find them anywhere else! It is possible to relap the play head, however I would first post a closeup photo of your head with the pad lifter removed, so we sharp-eyed naktalkians can inspect the wear pattern. I would be suprised if the heads are actually worn. Head height and tilt both create problems if their alignment is incorrect. The Nakamichi factory procedure is to fully align the heads using the jigs, and then only if they fail to record or playback within specification do you consider relapping or replacement. I have the ability to relap heads, and would be happy to describe the process to any NakTalk tech. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of SIMProductions Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:48 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 transformer ESL in Connecticut replaced my ZX-9 heads. From: j. helffrich Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 transformer Hi All, This talk about power transformers made me think about a problem I have with a Japanese ZX-9. I bought this off eBay several years ago not knowing it was Japanese, and when I got it I looked at the back and saw it was set up for 100 V line power. I'm in the USA where line power is 117 VAC and was concerned about using it, but when I contacted the seller he told me he'd been using it that way for years, so I plugged it in with the cover off, seeing no evident problems. Would anyone care to comment on what to look for as signs of potential problems--like caps smoking, motors hot, etc? I've probed the +/- 15 power supply rails and the DC voltages all seem to be within 1 Volt of spec, so I figured the only problems would be in the supply components. This deck is rarely used, since I have a Dragon that has heads in better shape. Where can one get replacement heads for a ZX-9? Thanks, Jerry Helffrich ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu Tue Jan 19 00:42:37 2010 From: Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu (Julian Bunn) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:42:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Belt Slipping Message-ID: <4B54F1ED.4060106@caltech.edu> I hadn't played my RX-505 in a few months, and when I came to do so, I found that it wouldn't Play, although all other motor controls worked fine (FF, Reverse, cassette flip etc.) Opening up the cabinet, I could see that the belt shown in this photo: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2678/4286518924_733d56db52_b.jpg was slipping on the small motor pulley. With some gentle finger pressure on the belt, it engaged, and now the deck plays fine. I'm concerned that maybe the belt needs replacing, and that I will just have the same problem at a later time. Is this a belt issue, or is there a lack of lubrication on some of the gear wheels the belt is used to turn? I'd welcome some advice on what to do. Thanks! 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My problem is when I have Firefox loaded, I keep getting a sound like some creature is eating something crunchy! There is a "munch-munch-munch" and then a short silence before it all starts again. Of course, I could just go into Volume Mixer and stop any sound from Firefox but that would also stop me hearing anything on YouTube. Any ideas? Please reply off-list Graham No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.149/2631 - Release Date: 01/18/10 10:56:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 19 01:58:45 2010 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:58:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Help required. In-Reply-To: <015501ca9898$27bd5190$7737f4b0$@com> References: <201001171203.o0HBs8eo002946@zxe.naks.com> <354990.57463.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <015501ca9898$27bd5190$7737f4b0$@com> Message-ID: <4B5503C5.3070705@sbcglobal.net> Sounds like a virus to me. I have never heard such a thing. Warren Graham A Nelson wrote: > > I am asking this OT question because I know there are a lot of smart > people here, one of whom at least may be able to help, and because > this problem is driving me completely nuts! > > > > My problem is when I have Firefox loaded, I keep getting a sound like > some creature is eating something crunchy! There is a > "munch-munch-munch" and then a short silence before it all starts > again. Of course, I could just go into Volume Mixer and stop any > sound from Firefox but that would also stop me hearing anything on > YouTube. Any ideas? > > > > _Please reply off-list_ > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Tue Jan 19 09:09:09 2010 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:09:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 acting weird! Message-ID: <4B5568A5.8060607@hol.gr> Hello Naktalkers and happy new year! I want to share a continuing problem that i have with a 505 that acts very strange indeed! It powers up and tray opens/close only once! After i play a tape it will not reverse (either with auto reverse or by using the reverse button during playback) and no button (FF-REW, OPEN, CLOSE etc,) functions ....The deck friezes, and i must turn off and ON again to be able to open the tray again and remove the tape.....It looks like something in the logic circuit is malfunctioning but i have no tech skills to check it out. One more weird thing is that if i only use the left panel buttons (play FF Rew, rec stop etc) then the deck functions properly....Only when i try reverse and open/load buttons (right side buttons) the deck friezes and i must turn off and on again.....since left side buttons stop responding when right side buttons are pushed (meaning load/eject and reverse buttons) In any case the reverse button will only function once and then the deck friezes! And the eject button will open the tray once and then the deck friezes, as i have to turn off and on again to close it ( the tray)..... Any help/ suggestions will be very much appreciated, i know this is not a common issue but i am willing to give it a try and fix it as the deck-except this issue - is in great shape. Thank you in advance, Manos From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jan 19 16:42:23 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:42:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CD Player 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No David, sorry. It's only for cassette decks. Best rgds, LP. El 18/01/2010, a las 09:15, David Thompson escribió: > Luis > > While on the topic of CD Players, would your transformer be suitable for a > CD Player 4 which is 110V? We have 240V in Australia. > > Thanks > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 13:48:41 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:48:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Help required. In-Reply-To: <015501ca9898$27bd5190$7737f4b0$@com> References: <201001171203.o0HBs8eo002946@zxe.naks.com> <354990.57463.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <015501ca9898$27bd5190$7737f4b0$@com> Message-ID: <304957.69208.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Graham, I have a similar issue. A wireless phone sits inches from the monitor, the right speaker and a bunch of computer cables on my (rather cluttered) desk. Whenever the phone rings, I hear fairly loud interference from the computer speakers. When I move the phone away, the problem disappears. There is clearly some stray coupling between the phone and computer paraphernalia. Because it happens infrequently, I just ignore it. It's a long shot, but do you have any wireless device(s) right next to your computer? Try to move things around on the computer desk and see if this makes any difference to the 'munching' noise. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Graham A Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 6:44:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Help required. I am asking this OT question because I know there are a lot of smart people here, one of whom at least may be able to help, and because this problem is driving me completely nuts! My problem is when I have Firefox loaded, I keep getting a sound like some creature is eating something crunchy! There is a “munch-munch-munch” and then a short silence before it all starts again. Of course, I could just go into Volume Mixer and stop any sound from Firefox but that would also stop me hearing anything on YouTube. Any ideas? Please reply off-list Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Tue Jan 19 14:17:48 2010 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:17:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-9 Transformer In-Reply-To: <201001191221.o0JCIjmr015017@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001191221.o0JCIjmr015017@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462C5912029@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Jerry, Here in Greenville, SC our line voltage runs around 125V RMS. I would measure the voltage across the electrolytic capacitors that are after the rectifiers but before the regulators. C-401 should be around 20v (no greater than the 25v capacitor rating!) C-403 should be around -20v, C-409 should be around 6.6v it's limit is 16v! These three caps are all near the fuses on the power supply/logic board. Doug Guth Field Service Engineer, CTS Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:22 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 18 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 19 15:03:15 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:03:15 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I assume you're asking for the value of your ZX-7. If you're talking about the bias control covers, I have a set listed on Ebay. The Buy it Now price is the same price as what they sold for 1 1/2 years ago. Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-ZX-7-ZX-9-Bias-Control-Covers-set-of-6_W0QQitemZ150406490689QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2304ecea41 I just started to sell a lot of my audio equipment, along with LP's, cassettes, etc. Hey Nakers - feel free to list me on your favorites. My feedback is 100%. Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:15:37 -0800 From: michael at yamada-san.org To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Although not yet spring, I am getting a head start on my cleaning. I have a ZX-7 that has gone unused for the last many years. It is in good working condition and I want to sell/trade/barter it. Cosmetically, it is in excellent shape (although it is missing a couple of the small covers). What is the market for such an item? I also have the Nak head demagnetizer that I purchased at the same time. Thanks in advance,Michael _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From hoyhoysum at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 16:02:11 2010 From: hoyhoysum at gmail.com (Chin Sown) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:02:11 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580M and 581Z Message-ID: Hi I am a newbie here. Is the Nak 580M and 581Z any good? Is it worth keeping or save the money for other models? 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If anyone has one for sale or has a lead on one could you please let me know.     Many thanks in advance, Jason Woolman Senior Archivist/RM Specialist Musqueam First Nation 6735 Salish Drive Vancouver, BC V6N 4C4 Phone: (604) 269-3346 Fax: (604) 263-4212 jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca   Confidentiality Note: This message is Confidential.  It is intended only for the person(s) or organizations(s) named above and any other use or disclosure is strictly forbidden.  If this message is received by anyone else, please notify the sender by return email, and delete the message.  Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at yamada-san.org Tue Jan 19 20:47:18 2010 From: michael at yamada-san.org (Michael Yamada) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:47:18 -0800 Subject: FW: [naktalk] ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am speaking of the value of the ZX-7 itself, as I have been unable to find comparable prices on eBay or other places. As for the covers, thanks for the listing. I have 5 of the 6, and any new owner just needs to find one! On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > I assume you're asking for the value of your ZX-7. > If you're talking about the bias control covers, I have a set listed on > Ebay. > The Buy it Now price is the same price as what they sold for 1 1/2 years > ago. > Here's the link: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-ZX-7-ZX-9-Bias-Control-Covers-set-of-6_W0QQitemZ150406490689QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2304ecea41 > > I just started to sell a lot of my audio equipment, along with LP's, > cassettes, etc. > Hey Nakers - feel free to list me on your favorites. My feedback is 100%. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Jan 19 20:48:22 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:48:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601ca9940$5b4d4df0$11e7e9d0$@utah.edu> OUCH!! That's expensive!! Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] ZX-7 I assume you're asking for the value of your ZX-7. If you're talking about the bias control covers, I have a set listed on Ebay. The Buy it Now price is the same price as what they sold for 1 1/2 years ago. Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-ZX-7-ZX-9-Bias-Control-Covers-set-of-6_W0QQite mZ150406490689QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2304ecea41 I just started to sell a lot of my audio equipment, along with LP's, cassettes, etc. Hey Nakers - feel free to list me on your favorites. My feedback is 100%. _____ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:15:37 -0800 From: michael at yamada-san.org To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Although not yet spring, I am getting a head start on my cleaning. I have a ZX-7 that has gone unused for the last many years. It is in good working condition and I want to sell/trade/barter it. Cosmetically, it is in excellent shape (although it is missing a couple of the small covers). What is the market for such an item? I also have the Nak head demagnetizer that I purchased at the same time. Thanks in advance, Michael _____ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 21:13:00 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:13:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Help required. In-Reply-To: <304957.69208.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <979147.34374.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If my cell phone is sitting next to my CRT monitor, the screen will flicker about a second before it actually rings and for the length of time during the ring.  I have never seen this at home on the LCD monitor.  Bob N --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Help required. To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 4:48 AM Graham, I have a similar issue. A wireless phone sits inches from the monitor, the right speaker and a bunch of computer cables on my (rather cluttered) desk. Whenever the phone rings, I hear fairly loud interference from the computer speakers. When I move the phone away, the problem disappears. There is clearly some stray coupling between the phone and computer paraphernalia. Because it happens infrequently,  I just ignore it. It's a long shot, but do you have any wireless device(s) right next to your computer? Try to move things around on the computer desk and see if this makes any difference to the 'munching' noise. Good luck, -- Ron From: Graham A Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 6:44:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Help required. I am asking this OT question because I know there are a lot of smart people here, one of whom at least may be able to help, and because this problem is driving me completely nuts!   My problem is when I have Firefox loaded, I keep getting a sound like some creature is eating something crunchy!  There is a “munch-munch-munch” and then a short silence before it all starts again.  Of course, I could just go into Volume Mixer and stop any sound from Firefox but that would also stop me hearing anything on YouTube.  Any ideas?   Please reply off-list   Graham       -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 21:29:00 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:29:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: FW: [naktalk] ZX-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <625926.12836.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark, Do you by any chance have any extra of the small bias control knobs, the ones that go under those covers?  I need 2. Bob N wotbob01 at yahoo.com --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: FW: [naktalk] ZX-7 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 6:03 AM I assume you're asking for the value of your ZX-7. If you're talking about the bias control covers, I have a set listed on Ebay. The Buy it Now price is the same price as what they sold for 1 1/2 years ago. Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-ZX-7-ZX-9-Bias-Control-Covers-set-of-6_W0QQitemZ150406490689QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2304ecea41 I just started to sell a lot of my audio equipment, along with LP's, cassettes, etc. Hey Nakers - feel free to list me on your favorites. My feedback is 100%. Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:15:37 -0800 From: michael at yamada-san.org To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Although not yet spring, I am getting a head start on my cleaning. I have a ZX-7 that has gone unused for the last many years. It is in good working condition and I want to sell/trade/barter it. Cosmetically, it is in excellent shape (although it is missing a couple of the small covers). What is the market for such an item? I also have the Nak head demagnetizer that I purchased at the same time. Thanks in advance, Michael Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hrameshrao at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 21:59:37 2010 From: hrameshrao at gmail.com (Ramesh Rao) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:29:37 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] 670 ZX Message-ID: Hi Nak Friends, I own Nakamichi 670ZX since last 5 years. I need Belt replacement kits for the same. Please let me know where can I get genuine parts? -- Regards H Ramesh Rao +91 98860 55302 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Tue Jan 19 22:13:19 2010 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:13:19 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nakamichi Dragons In-Reply-To: <106552.10915.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <106552.10915.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201ca994c$39c53470$ad4f9d50$@ca> H Jason... You may also find it much easier to find a good condition desk with manual play azimuth. I am assuming here you are looking to convert cassette to digital so are looking for the best possible playback. There have been a few threads here about this with the Dragon, Cassette Deck 1, CR7 all popular choices, but also some of the pioneers with FLEX seem to get the thumbs up as well.. Ken. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jayson levitz Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 2010 6:10 a.m. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wanted: Nakamichi Dragons Jason, many times you can find a Dragon on eBay. However, it will most likely need servicing to bring it up to factory specs, especially the NAAC circuitry. Jayson _____ From: Jason Woolman To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 4:00:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nakamichi Dragons Greetings all, I am in the process of establishing a digitization program and am looking to acquire a pair of Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks. If anyone has one for sale or has a lead on one could you please let me know. Many thanks in advance, Jason Woolman Senior Archivist/RM Specialist Musqueam First Nation 6735 Salish Drive Vancouver, BC V6N 4C4 Phone: (604) 269-3346 Fax: (604) 263-4212 jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca Confidentiality Note: This message is Confidential. It is intended only for the person(s) or organizations(s) named above and any other use or disclosure is strictly forbidden. If this message is received by anyone else, please notify the sender by return email, and delete the message. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitrack at hotmail.com Wed Jan 20 03:32:58 2010 From: hitrack at hotmail.com (Jeff C.) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:32:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CN-5 connector Message-ID: When adjusting the azimuth it talks about pulling out the cn-5 connector, where is the cn-5 connector?? Any help is appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hoyhoysum at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 12:04:44 2010 From: hoyhoysum at gmail.com (Chin Sown) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:04:44 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580M and 582zx, any good? Message-ID: Hi i am newbie and i came across Nak580M and 582zx. Are they any good and worth to keep? Any common problems that i should look out for? Thanks! hoy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Jan 20 13:48:48 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:48:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon CN-5 connector Message-ID: <1943065168-1263991722-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1065298074-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> It is between the two PCBs on the right. You have to remove the bottom cover and right side panel (deck facing you), and the 3rd screw holding the bottom board in place. You will have the deck sitting on its left side. The bottom board (azimuth) will now hinge down and you can easily disconnect CN-5. It is a 2 pin connector in the middle of the board, with a brown and white wire on it. If you are also checking voltage on the #1 pin, it is the one facing the outside. The schematic is labeled wrong. Perry Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From hitech at birch.net Wed Jan 20 15:29:56 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:29:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CN-5 connector In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The service manual includes a wiring diagram with each board and each connector labeled. There is also a chart showing the location of all adjustment controls and test points. Take time to look at the entire manual. CN-5 is on a bottom side board. Remove the screws so the board hinges open. CN-5 is a 2 pin connector in the center of that board. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jeff C. Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CN-5 connector When adjusting the azimuth it talks about pulling out the cn-5 connector, where is the cn-5 connector?? Any help is appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Spread the cheer with Messenger for mobile. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 20 15:30:23 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:30:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 670 ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <854741.11907.qm@web112713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Please go to ebay and check out marrscommunications store. Ram --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Ramesh Rao wrote: From: Ramesh Rao Subject: [naktalk] 670 ZX To: Naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 3:59 PM Hi Nak Friends, I own Nakamichi 670ZX since last 5 years. I need Belt replacement kits for the same. Please let me know where can I get genuine parts? -- Regards H Ramesh Rao +91 98860 55302 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Wed Jan 20 15:35:15 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:35:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 670 ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Welcome to NakTalk. I doubt you will find genuine Nakamichi belts anywhere in the world, but an excellent set of replacement belts is provided by Marrs Communications through their eBay store, or through their web site. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ramesh Rao Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:00 PM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 670 ZX Hi Nak Friends, I own Nakamichi 670ZX since last 5 years. I need Belt replacement kits for the same. Please let me know where can I get genuine parts? -- Regards H Ramesh Rao +91 98860 55302 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Learn more. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Jan 20 17:09:00 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:09:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 670 ZX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92901001200809s8a57ec7kd1c08140dabd4385@mail.gmail.com> Since Nakamichi doesn't exist in any useful form there are no "genuine" parts available. Fred at Marrscommunications (email marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com) has had the capstan belt (the only critical one for sound quality) remanufactured by the company who made them for Nakamichi and sells a whole kit for your machine. Willy On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Ramesh Rao wrote: > Hi Nak Friends, > > I own Nakamichi 670ZX since last 5 years. I need Belt replacement kits for > the same. Please let me know where can I get genuine parts? > > -- > Regards > H Ramesh Rao > +91 98860 55302 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-ZX-7-ZX-9-Bias-Control-Covers-set-of-6_W0QQitemZ150406490689QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2304ecea41 I just started to sell a lot of my audio equipment, along with LP's, cassettes, etc. Hey Nakers - feel free to list me on your favorites. My feedback is 100%. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 16:52:10 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:52:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CN-5 connector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: CN-5 is on the Auto Azimuth P.C.B Ass´y Side 29 from the Service Manual. It is on the upper left side, if you see from Top and Front , just inside the Deck. Regards Am 20.01.2010 um 03:32 schrieb Jeff C.: > When adjusting the azimuth it talks about pulling out the cn-5 > connector, where is the cn-5 connector?? > Any help is appreciated. > > > Spread the cheer with Messenger for mobile. Learn more. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca Wed Jan 20 23:42:13 2010 From: jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca (Jason Woolman) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:42:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR-7A Message-ID: Hello again, Many thanks for your suggestions regarding the Nak CR-7A and pointing out the manual azimuth adjustment. Does anyone have CR-7A up for sale or know of where I can locate one? If possible I would like to acquire a pair of them. Many thanks again, Jason Woolman Senior Archivist/RM Specialist Musqueam First Nation 6735 Salish Drive Vancouver, BC V6N 4C4 Phone: (604) 269-3346 Fax: (604) 263-4212 jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca Confidentiality Note: This message is Confidential. It is intended only for the person(s) or organizations(s) named above and any other use or disclosure is strictly forbidden. If this message is received by anyone else, please notify the sender by return email, and delete the message. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 00:30:40 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:30:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Help required. In-Reply-To: <979147.34374.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <979147.34374.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <867043.10691.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It shouldn't flicker.  It should jitter a bit from the alternating magnetic field from the phone ring.  I assume this phone has a mechanical ringer and is not a modern electronic type phone.  The phone is causing slight changes in the path the electrons take as they accelerate from the back of the tube up to a fraction the speed of light and then smash into the front phospher coated screen where they create a point of light.  LCD monitors do not work this way and therefore are not affected by magnetic fields.  Very strong magnetic fields can affect the CCFL backlight tubes in LCD monitors and cause weird effects, but, it's got to be pretty strong.  LED backlit LCD monitors will not be affected at all. ________________________________ From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 12:13:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Help required. If my cell phone is sitting next to my CRT monitor, the screen will flicker about a second before it actually rings and for the length of time during the ring.  I have never seen this at home on the LCD monitor.  Bob N --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Ron wrote: >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Help required. >To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 4:48 AM > > >Graham, > >I have a similar issue. A wireless phone sits inches from >the monitor, the right speaker and a bunch of computer >cables on my (rather cluttered) desk. Whenever the phone >rings, I hear fairly loud interference from the computer >speakers. When I move the phone away, the problem >disappears. There is clearly some stray coupling between >the phone and computer paraphernalia. Because it happens >infrequently,  I just ignore it. > >It's a long shot, but do you have any wireless device(s) >right next to your computer? Try to move things around on >the computer desk and see if this makes any difference to >the 'munching' noise. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Graham A Nelson >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 6:44:19 PM >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Help required. > > >I am asking this OT question because I know there are a lot of smart people here, one of whom at least may be able to help, and because this problem is driving me completely nuts! >  >My problem is when I have Firefox loaded, I keep getting a sound like some creature is eating something crunchy!  There is a “munch-munch-munch” and then a short silence before it all starts again.  Of course, I could just go into Volume Mixer and stop any sound from Firefox but that would also stop me hearing anything on YouTube.  Any ideas? >  >Please reply off-list >  >Graham >  >  >  > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com Thu Jan 21 01:01:43 2010 From: naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com (naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:01:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 chewing tapes Message-ID: <00a201ca9a2c$ead02af0$2c9be8a9@bkv> Hi all: I am new to Nakamichi's. Bought my first decks BX-125 and BX-300. BX-125 has the idler tire problem which I know how to fix. I fixed the dead spot in control motor of BX-300 and it works fine now, but the deck eats tapes. The problem seems to be worse with thinner tapes like C-120. I cleaned the both rollers and capstains the best I could, but it did not help. Some tapes I tried played OK. What else to check? I did not replace the belt yet, but it seems to be fine. On another note, the tapes recorded on other decks sound really dull. I suspect a head misalignment. Where can I borrow a good alignment tape? I am in LA. Thanks a lot Konstantin From markvi82 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 21 03:09:01 2010 From: markvi82 at hotmail.com (Jon Strack) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:09:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New ZX-7 Owner with a transport question Message-ID: Hello all, I am the proud new owner of a Nakamichi ZX-7. I was in a record store, not really looking for a tape deck, but saw what I initially thought was a Dragon sitting behind the counter. It turns out it's a ZX-7 that the owner was looking to get rid of for $100. He was selling it cheap because it had a problem with the record calibration circuit. He said only one channel showed up on the meters when he ran the calibration test tone. However, it plays fine. We hooked it up and played a tape through it, and sure enough, it does play fine. So, I bought it, figuring I probably wouldn't do any recording on it anyway, as I have reel to reel. However, once I got to the quiet of my own house, I realised the transport does have a slight issue. When you press play, you can hear this motor running in the background that raises the heads up to play the tape. Sometimes, that motor keeps running, even after the heads are up and the tape is playing. If I hit stop, or fast forward, then hit play again, often times it will go away. My thinking was that perhaps this is a belt slipping? I found a site that sells a belt kit for this deck for around $20, and was thinking of buying it, but wanted to check with you guys first. What do you think, does this sound like belts? Thanks for your help. -Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jan 21 10:11:41 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:11:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 chewing tapes In-Reply-To: <00a201ca9a2c$ead02af0$2c9be8a9@bkv> References: <00a201ca9a2c$ead02af0$2c9be8a9@bkv> Message-ID: <703EDACD-942D-4DA8-A0C3-B915E1943FB8@peromarta.org> If idler tyre has been replaced, I'd guess take up torque must be adjusted. Check the take up reel for nice consistent torque using your fingers. Compare it to non-tape-eating decks if you have one at play, and adjust slightly VR601 and look for changes. Check your SM for details. Best rgds, LP. http://naks.es El 21/01/2010, a las 01:01, naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com escribió: > Hi all: > > I am new to Nakamichi's. Bought my first decks BX-125 and BX-300. > > BX-125 has the idler tire problem which I know how to fix. > > I fixed the dead spot in control motor of BX-300 and it works fine now, but > the deck eats tapes. The problem seems to be worse with thinner tapes like > C-120. I cleaned the both rollers and capstains the best I could, but it > did not help. Some tapes I tried played OK. What else to check? I did not > replace the belt yet, but it seems to be fine. > > On another note, the tapes recorded on other decks sound really dull. I > suspect a head misalignment. Where can I borrow a good alignment tape? > > I am in LA. > > Thanks a lot > > Konstantin > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jan 21 10:48:07 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:48:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New ZX-7 Owner with a transport question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Certainly. Get a new belt kit for your deck. Look for marrscommunications in ebay stores. Repace all belts, clean and lubricate. Once there, align heads and calibrate. I'm pretty sure your deck can be brought up to specs! Best rgds, LP. http://naks.es El 21/01/2010, a las 03:09, Jon Strack escribió: > What do you think, does this sound like belts? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jan 21 10:48:40 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:48:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New ZX-7 Owner with a transport question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BD7E959-BC6E-4C5B-A574-84990B6013FF@peromarta.org> Specifically, you have a slipping cam mode belt. El 21/01/2010, a las 03:09, Jon Strack escribió: > What do you think, does this sound like belts? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 14:51:15 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Reawakened GIANT Message-ID: <117530.66710.qm@web110807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I just wanted to thank Willie and Tom for needle freeing suggestions on the 670ZX saved from a dark, dank garage. Finally got sick of looking at a my 670ZX in pieces on the workbench, which I've had apart and would intermittently try freeing a frozen left channel peak meter needle. As workday wore on, frustration floor levels would rise to a point where working on her for more than 10 minutes would top me out.  I didn't want to force it and do some irreversible damage. Well it's New Year and wanted a "new" to me Nak so got a hold of some acetone and with some repeated application and heat from a soldering iron finally broke the screw-in needle bearing free. Cleaned all switches, pots, connectors, etc... while buttoning up (no left over screws).   Along with head, pinch roller cleaning and a demag, she's good as new and playing like a champ.  Am I crazy for thinking this 670ZX sounds better than a DR-10?   A few questions:1.  I'm new to Auto Azimuth and tried to adjust the deck in preparation to record onto a TDK SAX-100.  She would / could not reach alignment and actually "clicked" in an attempt to.  I quickly aborted the process and figured this tape is junk? as even the tape sounded horrible on playback.  Anyone have similar experiences with this tape?2.  The RAMM doesn't seem to work.  Is this an easy adjustment? I got it to work once on RR and I could hear RR music in the background, however, no sounds on FF.3.  What effects / artifacts come into play if I use a recorded Dolby C on the 670ZX? Fred in CT and really enjoying the 670...... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 17:07:41 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:07:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Help required. In-Reply-To: <867043.10691.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <730596.67253.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott, I guess "jitter" is a better word for it.  The phone does not have a mechanical ringer.  It's a Motorola bought new the end of 2007.  Bob N --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Scott Johnson wrote: From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Help required. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 3:30 PM It shouldn't flicker.  It should jitter a bit from the alternating magnetic field from the phone ring.  I assume this phone has a mechanical ringer and is not a modern electronic type phone.  The phone is causing slight changes in the path the electrons take as they accelerate from the back of the tube up to a fraction the speed of light and then smash into the front phospher coated screen where they create a point of light.  LCD monitors do not work this way and therefore are not affected by magnetic fields.  Very strong magnetic fields can affect the CCFL backlight tubes in LCD monitors and cause weird effects, but, it's got to be pretty strong.  LED backlit LCD monitors will not be affected at all. From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 12:13:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Help required. If my cell phone is sitting next to my CRT monitor, the screen will flicker about a second before it actually rings and for the length of time during the ring.  I have never seen this at home on the LCD monitor.  Bob N --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Help required. To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 4:48 AM Graham, I have a similar issue. A wireless phone sits inches from the monitor, the right speaker and a bunch of computer cables on my (rather cluttered) desk. Whenever the phone rings, I hear fairly loud interference from the computer speakers. When I move the phone away, the problem disappears. There is clearly some stray coupling between the phone and computer paraphernalia. Because it happens infrequently,  I just ignore it. It's a long shot, but do you have any wireless device(s) right next to your computer? Try to move things around on the computer desk and see if this makes any difference to the 'munching' noise. Good luck, -- Ron From: Graham A Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 6:44:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Help required. I am asking this OT question because I know there are a lot of smart people here, one of whom at least may be able to help, and because this problem is driving me completely nuts!   My problem is when I have Firefox loaded, I keep getting a sound like some creature is eating something crunchy!  There is a “munch-munch-munch” and then a short silence before it all starts again.  Of course, I could just go into Volume Mixer and stop any sound from Firefox but that would also stop me hearing anything on YouTube.  Any ideas?   Please reply off-list   Graham       -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Jan 21 17:19:30 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:19:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] New ZX-7 Owner with a transport question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92901001210819y1e992dadh8912474213f22855@mail.gmail.com> The problem you're experiencing is likely due to a stretched cam belt which should be replaced. If the cam belt needs it then the capstan belt probably does too. Don't buy the $20 kit and use that capstan belt. The capstan belt has a lot to do with the sound quality of the machine. Look for the "Gold" capstan belt which by itself will cost more than $20 but is worth it. Willy On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Jon Strack wrote: > Hello all, > I am the proud new owner of a Nakamichi ZX-7. I was in a record store, > not really looking for a tape deck, but saw what I initially thought was a > Dragon sitting behind the counter. It turns out it's a ZX-7 that the owner > was looking to get rid of for $100. He was selling it cheap because it had a > problem with the record calibration circuit. He said only one channel showed > up on the meters when he ran the calibration test tone. However, it plays > fine. > > We hooked it up and played a tape through it, and sure enough, it does play > fine. So, I bought it, figuring I probably wouldn't do any recording on it > anyway, as I have reel to reel. However, once I got to the quiet of my own > house, I realised the transport does have a slight issue. When you press > play, you can hear this motor running in the background that raises the > heads up to play the tape. Sometimes, that motor keeps running, even after > the heads are up and the tape is playing. If I hit stop, or fast forward, > then hit play again, often times it will go away. My thinking was that > perhaps this is a belt slipping? I found a site that sells a belt kit for > this deck for around $20, and was thinking of buying it, but wanted to check > with you guys first. What do you think, does this sound like belts? > > Thanks for your help. > > -Jon > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 17:14:05 2010 From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com (R Cruz) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:14:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Reawakened GIANT In-Reply-To: <73921E28-1A96-44E8-8EBE-5D7B090DE241@peromarta.org> References: <117530.66710.qm@web110807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <73921E28-1A96-44E8-8EBE-5D7B090DE241@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <4b587d4d.0506d00a.53ff.0ca4@mx.google.com> Nada Sérgio o Font d’Argent dá o forfait? Ou é pago à parte? Não sai mais barato pago adiantado, cá, se não estiver incluido na estadia? From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: quinta-feira, 21 de Janeiro de 2010 15:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reawakened GIANT Hi Fred, you need to align playback head, and then record head to match playback. You need calibration tapes. Bets rgds, LP. http://naks.es El 21/01/2010, a las 14:51, Fred S.C. Li escribió: A few questions: 1. I'm new to Auto Azimuth and tried to adjust the deck in preparation to record onto a TDK SAX-100. She would / could not reach alignment and actually "clicked" in an attempt to. I quickly aborted the process and figured this tape is junk? as even the tape sounded horrible on playback. Anyone have similar experiences with this tape? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Thu Jan 21 21:12:40 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:12:40 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580M and 582zx, any good? In-Reply-To: <201001211214.o0LC88Zt013197@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001211214.o0LC88Zt013197@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <5c47df4a126a61c6142523439f5544a6.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> > Hi i am newbie and i came across Nak580M and 582zx. Are they any good and > worth to keep? Any common problems that i should look out for? > > Thanks! > > hoy > Hoy, They are Nakamichi's... so both are good :o) The 580M is a two header of course, but has a nice rich sound typical of the early Naks, in the vein of the 600's, and much more preferable to the later BX and CR series 2 headers. The better of the two is the 582Z, being a three header with full manual tape calibration, and is one of my favourite decks. Personally I prefer mine (582Z) for 'sound' compared to some of the later decks.. eg CR and DR decks, but again this is presonal ference.' No special issues with these decks. Typically encountered 'problems' are cap failure in the bias oscillator circuit, sticky pinch rollers and worn belts, all easily dealt with Neither deck is overly complex and easily maintained, and in my experience reliablity is excellent. A regular service every few years to keep the transport in tip top shape....... It is really up to you.. if you want two Naks??.. if you only want one, I would keep the 582Z. cheers, Martin From hitrack at hotmail.com Thu Jan 21 23:37:48 2010 From: hitrack at hotmail.com (Jeff) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:37:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Dragon CN-5 connector In-Reply-To: <201001211225.o0LCGaoX013433@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001211225.o0LCGaoX013433@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the help all. I located the connector and did some minor azimuth tweaking and all is good. From koman56 at hol.gr Fri Jan 22 10:23:58 2010 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:23:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 acting weird..... Message-ID: <4B596EAE.40500@hol.gr> Any inputs from anybody? I hope the description i gave is clear enough for our pros to guess or suggest what could be wrong with the deck.....I am looking forward to receiving any inputs from anybody who has experienced such strange behavior from a uni-directional deck ... Manos From naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com Fri Jan 22 17:36:30 2010 From: naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com (naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:36:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 chewing tapes In-Reply-To: <703EDACD-942D-4DA8-A0C3-B915E1943FB8@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <011401ca9b81$0ce151a0$2c9be8a9@bkv> Thanks a lot for your help. I have an upgraded deck with idler gear. I checked yesterday and found a slightly bent supply roller support and there is an adjustment screw! I corrected bending with my figers and the chewing became better, but not disappered. I guess I need to align using that screw now. The sound aslo became much better. The deck is seriously misaligned! Will tweak it on weekend. Thanks again Konstantin -----Original Message----- From: Luis Peromarta Regert - luis at peromarta.org [mailto:+naktalk+bkv+54e3510a04.luis#peromarta.org at spamgourmet.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:12 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 chewing tapes If idler tyre has been replaced, I'd guess take up torque must be adjusted. Check the take up reel for nice consistent torque using your fingers. Compare it to non-tape-eating decks if you have one at play, and adjust slightly VR601 and look for changes. Check your SM for details. Best rgds, LP. http://naks.es El 21/01/2010, a las 01:01, naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com escribió: > Hi all: > > I am new to Nakamichi's. Bought my first decks BX-125 and BX-300. > > BX-125 has the idler tire problem which I know how to fix. > > I fixed the dead spot in control motor of BX-300 and it works fine > now, but the deck eats tapes. The problem seems to be worse with > thinner tapes like C-120. I cleaned the both rollers and capstains > the best I could, but it did not help. Some tapes I tried played OK. > What else to check? I did not replace the belt yet, but it seems to be > fine. > > On another note, the tapes recorded on other decks sound really dull. > I suspect a head misalignment. Where can I borrow a good alignment > tape? > > I am in LA. > > Thanks a lot > > Konstantin > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at birch.net Fri Jan 22 20:16:38 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:16:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 chewing tapes In-Reply-To: <011401ca9b81$0ce151a0$2c9be8a9@bkv> Message-ID: The screw aligns the guide height. If you have a bent guide you will only skew the tape more by adjusting. I would recommend replacing the mechanism. The trick is getting the mounting post exactly perpendicular to the master tape plane. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300 chewing tapes Thanks a lot for your help. I have an upgraded deck with idler gear. I checked yesterday and found a slightly bent supply roller support and there is an adjustment screw! I corrected bending with my figers and the chewing became better, but not disappered. I guess I need to align using that screw now. The sound aslo became much better. The deck is seriously misaligned! Will tweak it on weekend. Thanks again Konstantin -----Original Message----- From: Luis Peromarta Regert - luis at peromarta.org [mailto:+naktalk+bkv+54e3510a04.luis#peromarta.org at spamgourmet.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:12 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 chewing tapes If idler tyre has been replaced, I'd guess take up torque must be adjusted. Check the take up reel for nice consistent torque using your fingers. Compare it to non-tape-eating decks if you have one at play, and adjust slightly VR601 and look for changes. Check your SM for details. Best rgds, LP. http://naks.es El 21/01/2010, a las 01:01, naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com escribió: > Hi all: > > I am new to Nakamichi's. Bought my first decks BX-125 and BX-300. > > BX-125 has the idler tire problem which I know how to fix. > > I fixed the dead spot in control motor of BX-300 and it works fine > now, but the deck eats tapes. The problem seems to be worse with > thinner tapes like C-120. I cleaned the both rollers and capstains > the best I could, but it did not help. Some tapes I tried played OK. > What else to check? I did not replace the belt yet, but it seems to be > fine. > > On another note, the tapes recorded on other decks sound really dull. > I suspect a head misalignment. Where can I borrow a good alignment > tape? > > I am in LA. > > Thanks a lot > > Konstantin > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hoyhoysum at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 05:19:55 2010 From: hoyhoysum at gmail.com (Chin Sown) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:19:55 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580M and 582zx, any good? In-Reply-To: <5c47df4a126a61c6142523439f5544a6.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> References: <201001211214.o0LC88Zt013197@zxe.naks.com> <5c47df4a126a61c6142523439f5544a6.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: Hi Martin, Thanks for your feedback, well the owner wants to sell both together. Cheers, Hoy On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:12 AM, wrote: > > Hi i am newbie and i came across Nak580M and 582zx. Are they any good > and > > worth to keep? Any common problems that i should look out for? > > > > Thanks! > > > > hoy > > > > Hoy, > > They are Nakamichi's... so both are good :o) > The 580M is a two header of course, but has a nice rich sound typical of > the early Naks, in the vein of the 600's, and much more preferable to the > later BX and CR series 2 headers. > The better of the two is the 582Z, being a three header with full manual > tape calibration, and is one of my favourite decks. Personally I prefer > mine (582Z) for 'sound' compared to some of the later decks.. eg CR and DR > decks, but again this is presonal ference.' > No special issues with these decks. Typically encountered 'problems' are > cap failure in the bias oscillator circuit, sticky pinch rollers and worn > belts, all easily dealt with > > Neither deck is overly complex and easily maintained, and in my experience > reliablity is excellent. A regular service every few years to keep the > transport in tip top shape....... > > It is really up to you.. if you want two Naks??.. if you only want one, I > would keep the 582Z. > > cheers, > > Martin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitrack at hotmail.com Sun Jan 24 02:41:27 2010 From: hitrack at hotmail.com (Jeff C.) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:41:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay guy selling Dragon belts Message-ID: Has anyone bought the Dragon belt kit with the instructions off ebay?? I'm thinking of it but some feed back would be nice. _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Sun Jan 24 07:51:35 2010 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:51:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay guy selling Dragon belts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B5BEDF7.3070701@hol.gr> Jeff, There is nothing wrong with the belts, but only if you really know what you're doing and have in mind that the instructions is only a guide and not what you are about to face when you open up this particular deck! You must be very capable and have all the special tools and jigs to align the deck after changing all the belts. I suggest you leave the professionals do the job and change the belts on your Dragon....I speak from experience as last year i ended up with a dismantled deck in need of mechanical alignment etc, and only thanks to Willy H. i managed to salvage the deck. So my humble opinion is DO NOT try the DIY option (unless you are a pro!). Maybe for other decks, not for the Dragon! Manos O/H Jeff C. ??????: > Has anyone bought the Dragon belt kit with the instructions off ebay?? > I'm thinking of it but some feed back would be nice. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Spread the cheer with Messenger for mobile. Learn more. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markvi82 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 24 16:22:40 2010 From: markvi82 at hotmail.com (Jon Strack) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:22:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "Gold" Belt for ZX-7 Capstan? Message-ID: Hello, A few days ago, someone mentioned buying a "gold" belt for the capstan of my ZX-7 instead of the one with the standard $20 kit. However, he mentioned this belt could be over $20 in itself. What is it about this belt that makes it so much better than the standard one? I've changed a lot of belts on equipment, and never ran into one that was more than a few bucks. Does anyone else have any experience with replacing the belts on a ZX-7 and have any recommendations of which kit to buy? Thanks, Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 24 17:05:24 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:05:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II Message-ID: <592704.75675.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI friends, I bought a pristine 600 II yesterday in the box from ebay ( a local pick up) and was astounded by this 2 head single capstan ( my first) Nak. Its warmness and smootheness is so close to the ZXL Limited's, so much  that I have decided to keep this one in my Nak collection forever. However, the deck came with no user's manual and I did not see one one the wiki or the ebaman site. The wiki has the 600's manual but not this. Could anyone do a scan and update our wiki please? Or send me a private mail with an attached scan copy? Thanks. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr Sun Jan 24 17:10:18 2010 From: claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr (Claude BONNAFOUS) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:10:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 head adjustment Message-ID: <555484F809034862AFDEBA2B193F405B@CLO2842> Hi Nakdoctors, a simple question about the adjustment system on Sankyo transport: a few months ago I noticed the erase head on my BX 300 was tilted to the right, pushed rightwards by a concealed spring (I suppose). As I do not use the deck for recording, I didn't worry too much and managed to set it straight, blocking it with a tiny piece of ..wood ...from a match. No issues... I think the screw that holds the head has become loose somehow, but to fix that I would have to remove all the head mount base thar bears the plastic adjusters, and which seems to be held in place by two metal screws.(L 02 in the SM) And here is my question: what happens if I do just that: loosen those two screws ? will all the adjustments be lost ? If so, I will decide to leave everything as it is, because the desk works fine. If the head mount base can be removed and put back without disturbing alignment (which I strongly doubt) I will have a try and tighten that L09:M1,7X7 that is the problem. Just for intellectual satisfaction.... Thanks for your advice, and keep that great Naktalk going, it's simply ...er....fantastic. Claude. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markvi82 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 24 17:49:33 2010 From: markvi82 at hotmail.com (Jon Strack) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:49:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "Gold" Belt for ZX-7 Capstan? Message-ID: Hello again, I ordered the Factory kit from Marrs Communications, with the gold belt, as recommended. It cost $40 with free shipping, but should definitely be worth it. I'll let you know how progress goes. Are the belts hard to change in a ZX-7? -Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Sun Jan 24 20:52:26 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:52:26 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580M and 582zx, any good? In-Reply-To: <201001241107.o0OB06la006161@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001241107.o0OB06la006161@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I can understand that, if he is quitting cassettes as a 'sound' medium. I guess it then depends upon the asking price and operating condition. If the decks haven't been used for quite some time, then chances are the transport faults will be present, but not a biggie to remedy, and may give you a negotiation point? Overall, the 582 and 582Z offer the best performance/ease of service of all the Nakamichi's for the home handy person... (all IMHO of course... ). cheers, M > Hi Martin, > > Thanks for your feedback, well the owner wants to sell both together. > > Cheers, > Hoy > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:12 AM, wrote: > >> > Hi i am newbie and i came across Nak580M and 582zx. Are they any good >> and >> > worth to keep? Any common problems that i should look out for? >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > hoy >> > >> >> Hoy, >> >> They are Nakamichi's... so both are good :o) >> The 580M is a two header of course, but has a nice rich sound typical of >> the early Naks, in the vein of the 600's, and much more preferable to >> the >> later BX and CR series 2 headers. >> The better of the two is the 582Z, being a three header with full manual >> tape calibration, and is one of my favourite decks. Personally I prefer >> mine (582Z) for 'sound' compared to some of the later decks.. eg CR and >> DR >> decks, but again this is presonal ference.' >> No special issues with these decks. Typically encountered 'problems' are >> cap failure in the bias oscillator circuit, sticky pinch rollers and >> worn >> belts, all easily dealt with >> >> Neither deck is overly complex and easily maintained, and in my >> experience >> reliablity is excellent. A regular service every few years to keep the >> transport in tip top shape....... >> >> It is really up to you.. if you want two Naks??.. if you only want one, >> I >> would keep the 582Z. >> >> cheers, >> >> Martin >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > From rjlbjk at verizon.net Sun Jan 24 22:07:05 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:07:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <592704.75675.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <592704.75675.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KWR002ZQRZQ7WL0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> I too bought a 600 a few months ago and I was astounded as to how well it performed overall and I have a Dragon! I'll send you a manual via email. At 11:05 AM 1/24/2010, you wrote: >HI friends, > >I bought a pristine 600 II yesterday in the box from ebay ( a local >pick up) and was astounded by this 2 head single capstan ( my first) >Nak. Its warmness and smootheness is so close to the ZXL Limited's, >so much that I have decided to keep this one in my Nak collection forever. > >However, the deck came with no user's manual and I did not see one >one the wiki or the ebaman site. The wiki has the 600's manual but not this. > >Could anyone do a scan and update our wiki please? Or send me a >private mail with an attached scan copy? > >Thanks. >Ram > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Jan 24 23:01:55 2010 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:01:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay guy selling Dragon belts In-Reply-To: <4B5BEDF7.3070701@hol.gr> References: <4B5BEDF7.3070701@hol.gr> Message-ID: <4B5CC353.9080401@yahoo.ca> About Fred Marrs' (marrscommunications on eBay) belts, his capstan belts are excellent. Jigs shouldn't be necessary if you don't dismantle the parts that require alignment to reach the belts. If only the NAAC belt is slipping, it would be quite easy to only change that one. I've never had to change the belts on my Dragon, but if it's like other classic transports, the cam belt shouldn't be too challenging to exchange. The counter belt and idler will require a lot of work, but you don't need to exchange them if they still work fine. I think that the cam and NAAC belts are the ones that usually go out first, the idler rarely needs replacement. Le 2010-01-24 01:51, Emmanuel T. Komninos a écrit : > Jeff, There is nothing wrong with the belts, but only if you really > know what you're doing and have in mind that the instructions is only > a guide and not what you are about to face when you open up this > particular deck! You must be very capable and have all the special > tools and jigs to align the deck after changing all the belts. I > suggest you leave the professionals do the job and change the belts on > your Dragon....I speak from experience as last year i ended up with a > dismantled deck in need of mechanical alignment etc, and only thanks > to Willy H. i managed to salvage the deck. So my humble opinion is DO > NOT try the DIY option (unless you are a pro!). Maybe for other decks, > not for the Dragon! Manos > > O/H Jeff C. ??????: >> Has anyone bought the Dragon belt kit with the instructions off >> ebay?? I'm thinking of it but some feed back would be nice. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Spread the cheer with Messenger for mobile. Learn more. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki!http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here:http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Antoine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The seller put a lot of effort in to his 10 page instructions with good diagrams. We all know the SMs are fairly useless for correct disassembly instructions. That's not what they were written for. If you've never worked on a classic mechanism before, I'd have to agree that it would be pretty ballsy to make a Dragon your first foray. It is not for the faint of heart or impatient. Even having worked on a few Naks and other decks, it still took me a good 6+ hours from start to finish. I wrote a full page addendum, that lists all the issues I ran in to when I did this. They are posted on tapeheads.net in the DIY section. Many were quite significant. In addition, while his belts are good, I can't say the same for his idler. It has the correct ID and OD, but is too thin, and I find that I will have to disassemble that section again to change it out again. I should have left the old one in place. After I removed it, I realized it was in much better shape than I had thought. The cam belt on a Dragon is not easy, like others, it requires disassembly. The NAAC and counter belts just take maybe 30 minutes each. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Jan 25 07:07:14 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Value of a parts RX-505 in US? Message-ID: <1616910185.2599421264399634276.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I have an acquaintance that sent me an RX-505 he got for a great price, but, of course, didn't work. At all, it just lights up. No motion or change of state anywhere. He asked me to take a look at it and tell him if it was worth fixing. In a word, it's not. While the faceplate and drawer are cosmetically very good, the cam motor and flip motor are both seized solid. There is rust on all motor housings, and a few places on the frame and upper/lower covers. It has seen a lot of moisture, some pooling of water is evident. The logic board is totally shot, rust imbedded in most of the components in the PCB and has at least one capacitor blown (corroded?) apart, and no signal changes to any inputs, so I assume the ICs are blown. The capstan motor will turn the capstans once you give it a shove, but is slow, as expected. The capstans have significant friction. The labor to disassemble the mechanism to clean out the old lube and corrosion, not to mention replacing the motors and logic board, assuming all the switches work, is far greater than it would be worth. Better to find a mostly working one with cosmetic challenges and build one good one. He is not interested in taking that route, as he already has a fully working Dragon and BX-300. It is a parts deck for sure, and I told him I'd ask the experts here what they thought it might honestly be worth to sell as a parts deck. I know what I'd offer to him, but I don't want him to think I'm taking advantage of his situation. Thanks in advance. Perry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Mon Jan 25 17:16:54 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:16:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <592704.75675.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The 600II was an evolutionary product, triggered by the development of the crystalloy head. The superior materials greatly increased headroom and lowered distortion, so Nak did away with the IM supression and added fromt panel record level calibration. The idea that a tape recordist would WANT to calibrate level for every tape was revolutionary. While the 1000, 700, and 550 had rear panel cal controls, the acceptance of the upfront concept led to the 580/680 series features. The 600II also offered a custom option, mixing pieces from the silver and black versions for a new look. I had one customer who wanted the 600II cassette holder put on his 600, so he'd not need a dust cover. As in all these models, the Dolby circuit is made of discrete parts. Each circuit is aligned by two pots. I've always wondered how Dolby tracking compares to the early Dolby ICs used in the 480. One tip on the 600II is very important. Place a drop of clear nail polish on the azimuth screw to secure it. The azimuth screw almost turns itself at night. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II HI friends, I bought a pristine 600 II yesterday in the box from ebay ( a local pick up) and was astounded by this 2 head single capstan ( my first) Nak. Its warmness and smootheness is so close to the ZXL Limited's, so much that I have decided to keep this one in my Nak collection forever. However, the deck came with no user's manual and I did not see one one the wiki or the ebaman site. The wiki has the 600's manual but not this. Could anyone do a scan and update our wiki please? Or send me a private mail with an attached scan copy? Thanks. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Mon Jan 25 20:30:59 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:30:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Play Disengages..... Message-ID: <460215.17343.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well after a few days of play, recording and general new to me 670ZX "discovery" she's disengages "Play" mode while playing. Belts are in good condition and are not slipping. When she's turned on and cold, the unit will play for a few minutes where upon the heads and drive will "droop" and disengage.  Pushing "Play" will raise the heads / drives but not quite "lock"? in. VR 402 & 403 are adjusted correctly.  While watching the unit with the cover off, cam drives / points to the correct "PY" cam label but will slowly turn counterclockwise and disengage "Play". What would be causing this?  Help greatly appreciated. Fred in CT  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Mon Jan 25 20:42:47 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:42:47 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <201001251106.o0PB055l031628@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001251106.o0PB055l031628@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Haha... Ram.....you have been bitten!!!, there is NO cure...so just as well you have decided it is a keeper. Now you can appreciate why Kermit and myself wax lyrical about these decks....the 600, 600II, and 580 have that special something ..... > HI friends, > > I bought a pristine 600 II yesterday in the box from ebay ( a local pick > up) and was astounded by this 2 head single capstan ( my first) Nak. Its > warmness and smootheness is so close to the ZXL Limited's, so much  that I > have decided to keep this one in my Nak collection forever. > > However, the deck came with no user's manual and I did not see one one the > wiki or the ebaman site. The wiki has the 600's manual but not this. > > Could anyone do a scan and update our wiki please? Or send me a private > mail with an attached scan copy? > > Thanks. > Ram > > > > > From hitrack at hotmail.com Tue Jan 26 00:16:10 2010 From: hitrack at hotmail.com (Jeff) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:16:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay guy selling Dragon belts In-Reply-To: <201001251117.o0PB8OQl031855@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001251117.o0PB8OQl031855@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the input on the Dragon belt scenario. Maybe the pros or someone more knowledgeable Than me is needed here. IMO the deck works 99.9% just wanted to bring it back to 100%, But not at the risk of fouling it up from good intentions. Not like I can just say "oh well" and go to the closet and grab a new Dragon if I "F" this one up. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jeff, There is nothing wrong with the belts, but only if you really know what you're doing and have in mind that the instructions is only a guide and not what you are about to face when you open up this particular deck! You must be very capable and have all the special tools and jigs to align the deck after changing all the belts. I suggest you leave the professionals do the job and change the belts on your Dragon....I speak from experience as last year i ended up with a dismantled deck in need of mechanical alignment etc, and only thanks to Willy H. i managed to salvage the deck. So my humble opinion is DO NOT try the DIY option (unless you are a pro!). Maybe for other decks, not for the Dragon! Manos From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 15:38:22 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:38:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <848162.46635.qm@web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 1/25/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:16 AM The 600II was an evolutionary product, triggered by the development of the crystalloy head. The superior materials greatly increased headroom and lowered distortion, so Nak did away with the IM supression and added fromt panel record level calibration. The idea that a tape recordist would WANT to calibrate level for every tape was revolutionary. While the 1000, 700, and 550 had rear panel cal controls, the acceptance of the upfront concept led to the 580/680 series features.    The 600II also offered a custom option, mixing pieces from the silver and black versions for a new look. I had one customer who wanted the 600II cassette holder put on his 600, so he'd not need a dust cover. As in all these models, the Dolby circuit is made of discrete parts. Each circuit is aligned by two pots. I've always wondered how Dolby tracking compares to the early Dolby ICs used in the 480.     One tip on the 600II is very important. Place a drop of clear nail polish on the azimuth screw to secure it. The azimuth screw almost turns itself at night.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II HI friends, I bought a pristine 600 II yesterday in the box from ebay ( a local pick up) and was astounded by this 2 head single capstan ( my first) Nak. Its warmness and smootheness is so close to the ZXL Limited's, so much  that I have decided to keep this one in my Nak collection forever. However, the deck came with no user's manual and I did not see one one the wiki or the ebaman site. The wiki has the 600's manual but not this. Could anyone do a scan and update our wiki please? Or send me a private mail with an attached scan copy? Thanks. Ram -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 15:40:54 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:40:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <865370.1494.qm@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Martin, So right you are on the 600 series. I guess the pressure pad lifter, two capstans and three heads were just overkill?? LOL.....The 600 acts as though these were never needed for great sound! Regards, Ram --- On Mon, 1/25/10, shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz wrote: From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 2:42 PM Haha... Ram.....you have been bitten!!!, there is NO cure...so just as well you have decided it is a keeper. Now you can appreciate why Kermit and myself wax lyrical about these decks....the 600, 600II, and 580 have that special something ..... > HI friends, > > I bought a pristine 600 II yesterday in the box from ebay ( a local pick > up) and was astounded by this 2 head single capstan ( my first) Nak. Its > warmness and smootheness is so close to the ZXL Limited's, so much  that I > have decided to keep this one in my Nak collection forever. > > However, the deck came with no user's manual and I did not see one one the > wiki or the ebaman site. The wiki has the 600's manual but not this. > > Could anyone do a scan and update our wiki please? Or send me a private > mail with an attached scan copy? > > Thanks. > Ram > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jan 26 17:54:34 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:54:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Play Disengages..... In-Reply-To: <460215.17343.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <460215.17343.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <738919E9-659A-40E2-B749-9113FBF8034A@peromarta.org> Bad take up due to idler tyre? Clutch too slippy ? Enviado desde mi iPhone El 25/01/2010, a las 20:30, "Fred S.C. Li" escribió: > > Well after a few days of play, recording and general new to me 670ZX > "discovery" she's disengages "Play" mode while playing. > > Belts are in good condition and are not slipping. > > When she's turned on and cold, the unit will play for a few minutes > where upon the heads and drive will "droop" and disengage. Pushing > "Play" will raise the heads / drives but not quite "lock"? in. > > VR 402 & 403 are adjusted correctly. While watching the unit with > the cover off, cam drives / points to the correct "PY" cam label but > will slowly turn counterclockwise and disengage "Play". > > What would be causing this? Help greatly appreciated. > > Fred in CT > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpmoss2 at netzero.com Tue Jan 26 15:54:02 2010 From: jpmoss2 at netzero.com (jim phillips) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:54:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak 250/ADS 2002 sytem In-Reply-To: <433691880.2598241264398655332.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westch ester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <433691880.2598241264398655332.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Nak 250 /ads 2002 sytem anyone . I picked up a few that look brand knew in the box, but the one only works right channel the other eats tapes. I was hopping to have a nak sytem up and running for the summer . Anyone know a good shop in New england that works on them. Thnaks Jim ____________________________________________________________ Home Improvement Projects Improve your home. Click for products, services, and project ideas. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=0jp60AhCRVKp_5lslw0wrwAAJ1H3aUvHyMG-lsE-Pmt641v4AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAShAAAAAA= From hitech at birch.net Tue Jan 26 17:27:33 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:27:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Play Disengages..... In-Reply-To: <460215.17343.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Fred, Stretched counter belts cause intermittent auto-stop. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred S.C. Li Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Play Disengages..... Well after a few days of play, recording and general new to me 670ZX "discovery" she's disengages "Play" mode while playing. Belts are in good condition and are not slipping. When she's turned on and cold, the unit will play for a few minutes where upon the heads and drive will "droop" and disengage. Pushing "Play" will raise the heads / drives but not quite "lock"? in. VR 402 & 403 are adjusted correctly. While watching the unit with the cover off, cam drives / points to the correct "PY" cam label but will slowly turn counterclockwise and disengage "Play". What would be causing this? Help greatly appreciated. Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 17:49:14 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:49:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <848162.46635.qm@web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <439663.21181.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> hi all. bought my 600 new back in '76, used it til '81. it then sat dormant for 23 yrs til '04. i had it rehabbed that yr and it its still running strong and sounding great! i think i want it buried with me when that day comes. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:38 AM Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 1/25/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:16 AM The 600II was an evolutionary product, triggered by the development of the crystalloy head. The superior materials greatly increased headroom and lowered distortion, so Nak did away with the IM supression and added fromt panel record level calibration. The idea that a tape recordist would WANT to calibrate level for every tape was revolutionary. While the 1000, 700, and 550 had rear panel cal controls, the acceptance of the upfront concept led to the 580/680 series features.    The 600II also offered a custom option, mixing pieces from the silver and black versions for a new look. I had one customer who wanted the 600II cassette holder put on his 600, so he'd not need a dust cover. As in all these models, the Dolby circuit is made of discrete parts. Each circuit is aligned by two pots. I've always wondered how Dolby tracking compares to the early Dolby ICs used in the 480.     One tip on the 600II is very important. Place a drop of clear nail polish on the azimuth screw to secure it. The azimuth screw almost turns itself at night.   tom brucker = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Jan 26 21:52:56 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:52:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nak 250/ADS 2002 sytem In-Reply-To: References: <433691880.2598241264398655332.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4b6f92901001261252p5e3dd03fu986f8b9169317bb@mail.gmail.com> The best shop close to New England is ESL in Connecticut (eslabs.com). They've been servicing Naks since they were new. Willy On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:54 AM, jim phillips wrote: > Nak 250 /ads 2002 sytem anyone . I picked up a few that look brand knew in > the box, but the one only works right channel the other eats tapes. I was > hopping to have a nak sytem up and running for the summer . Anyone know a > good shop in New england that works on them. > > Thnaks Jim > > ____________________________________________________________ > Home Improvement Projects > Improve your home. Click for products, services, and project ideas. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=0jp60AhCRVKp_5lslw0wrwAAJ1H3aUvHyMG-lsE-Pmt641v4AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAShAAAAAA= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Jan 26 21:41:29 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:41:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Message-ID: <005901ca9ec7$f0241ee0$d06c5ca0$@utah.edu> Curious if anyone has a 1000ZXL and what the difference is from the 700ZXL? I might be in the market for one of them. Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                 LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 21:44:39 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:44:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <439663.21181.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <844620.95770.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, I hear you. I would like the same with 2-3 of my favorite Naks if only my custom allowed burials! We cremate our dead and I would not want to see any Nak burnt "alive", with or without me! Cheers, --- On Tue, 1/26/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 11:49 AM hi all. bought my 600 new back in '76, used it til '81. it then sat dormant for 23 yrs til '04. i had it rehabbed that yr and it its still running strong and sounding great! i think i want it buried with me when that day comes. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:38 AM Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 1/25/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:16 AM The 600II was an evolutionary product, triggered by the development of the crystalloy head. The superior materials greatly increased headroom and lowered distortion, so Nak did away with the IM supression and added fromt panel record level calibration. The idea that a tape recordist would WANT to calibrate level for every tape was revolutionary. While the 1000, 700, and 550 had rear panel cal controls, the acceptance of the upfront concept led to the 580/680 series features.    The 600II also offered a custom option, mixing pieces from the silver and black versions for a new look. I had one customer who wanted the 600II cassette holder put on his 600, so he'd not need a dust cover. As in all these models, the Dolby circuit is made of discrete parts. Each circuit is aligned by two pots. I've always wondered how Dolby tracking compares to the early Dolby ICs used in the 480.     One tip on the 600II is very important. Place a drop of clear nail polish on the azimuth screw to secure it. The azimuth screw almost turns itself at night.   tom brucker = -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Tue Jan 26 22:14:32 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:14:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <439663.21181.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's cool Jay. If it was black it would look good sitting on your chest in place of the flowers! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jay knickerbocker Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II hi all. bought my 600 new back in '76, used it til '81. it then sat dormant for 23 yrs til '04. i had it rehabbed that yr and it its still running strong and sounding great! i think i want it buried with me when that day comes. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:38 AM Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 1/25/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:16 AM The 600II was an evolutionary product, triggered by the development of the crystalloy head. The superior materials greatly increased headroom and lowered distortion, so Nak did away with the IM supression and added fromt panel record level calibration. The idea that a tape recordist would WANT to calibrate level for every tape was revolutionary. While the 1000, 700, and 550 had rear panel cal controls, the acceptance of the upfront concept led to the 580/680 series features. The 600II also offered a custom option, mixing pieces from the silver and black versions for a new look. I had one customer who wanted the 600II cassette holder put on his 600, so he'd not need a dust cover. As in all these models, the Dolby circuit is made of discrete parts. Each circuit is aligned by two pots. I've always wondered how Dolby tracking compares to the early Dolby ICs used in the 480. One tip on the 600II is very important. Place a drop of clear nail polish on the azimuth screw to secure it. The azimuth screw almost turns itself at night. tom brucker = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Jan 27 01:23:19 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:23:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: References: <439663.21181.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b6f92901001261623g6f8eeb4ei206f3f2482850324@mail.gmail.com> Anyone else find this thread just a little morbid? Willy On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:14 PM, tom brucker wrote: > That's cool Jay. If it was black it would look good sitting on your chest > in place of the flowers! > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *jay knickerbocker > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:49 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] The 600 II > > hi all. bought my 600 new back in '76, used it til '81. it then sat > dormant for 23 yrs til '04. i had it rehabbed that yr and it its still > running strong and sounding great! > i think i want it buried with me when that day comes. > > --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran *wrote: > > > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II > To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < > naktalk at naks.com> > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:38 AM > > Tom, > > You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. > > On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 > Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just > has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. > Nail polish done! > > One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to > record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This > is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? > Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. > > Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? > > Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? > > Thanks > Ram > > --- On *Mon, 1/25/10, tom brucker * wrote: > > > From: tom brucker > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:16 AM > > The 600II was an evolutionary product, triggered by the development of > the crystalloy head. The superior materials greatly increased headroom and > lowered distortion, so Nak did away with the IM supression and added fromt > panel record level calibration. The idea that a tape recordist would WANT to > calibrate level for every tape was revolutionary. While the 1000, 700, and > 550 had rear panel cal controls, the acceptance of the upfront concept led > to the 580/680 series features. > The 600II also offered a custom option, mixing pieces from the silver > and black versions for a new look. I had one customer who wanted the 600II > cassette holder put on his 600, so he'd not need a dust cover. As in all > these models, the Dolby circuit is made of discrete parts. Each circuit is > aligned by two pots. I've always wondered how Dolby tracking compares to the > early Dolby ICs used in the 480. > One tip on the 600II is very important. Place a drop of clear nail > polish on the azimuth screw to secure it. The azimuth screw almost turns > itself at night. > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > = > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 23:52:51 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:52:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nak 250/ADS 2002 sytem In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901001261252p5e3dd03fu986f8b9169317bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <857817.55754.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I second that Willy. Ram --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 250/ADS 2002 sytem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 3:52 PM The best shop close to New England is ESL in Connecticut (eslabs.com).  They've been servicing Naks since they were new. Willy   On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:54 AM, jim phillips wrote: Nak 250 /ads 2002 sytem anyone . I picked up a few that look brand knew in the box, but the one only works right channel the other eats tapes.  I was hopping to have a nak sytem up and running for the summer . Anyone know a good shop in New england that works on them. Thnaks Jim ____________________________________________________________ Home Improvement Projects Improve your home. Click for products, services, and project ideas. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=0jp60AhCRVKp_5lslw0wrwAAJ1H3aUvHyMG-lsE-Pmt641v4AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAShAAAAAA= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 00:49:13 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:49:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <844620.95770.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <340540.50865.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> oh, ok. i'm only 'assuming' i'll be buried. my family/faith has no 'set in stone' of method of remains disposal. who knows what'll happen when the time comes. so maybe i should change it to 'if i'm buried, i want my nak 600 buried with me'. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:44 PM Jay, I hear you. I would like the same with 2-3 of my favorite Naks if only my custom allowed burials! We cremate our dead and I would not want to see any Nak burnt "alive", with or without me! Cheers, --- On Tue, 1/26/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 11:49 AM hi all. bought my 600 new back in '76, used it til '81. it then sat dormant for 23 yrs til '04. i had it rehabbed that yr and it its still running strong and sounding great! i think i want it buried with me when that day comes. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:38 AM Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 1/25/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:16 AM The 600II was an evolutionary product, triggered by the development of the crystalloy head. The superior materials greatly increased headroom and lowered distortion, so Nak did away with the IM supression and added fromt panel record level calibration. The idea that a tape recordist would WANT to calibrate level for every tape was revolutionary. While the 1000, 700, and 550 had rear panel cal controls, the acceptance of the upfront concept led to the 580/680 series features.    The 600II also offered a custom option, mixing pieces from the silver and black versions for a new look. I had one customer who wanted the 600II cassette holder put on his 600, so he'd not need a dust cover. As in all these models, the Dolby circuit is made of discrete parts. Each circuit is aligned by two pots. I've always wondered how Dolby tracking compares to the early Dolby ICs used in the 480.     One tip on the 600II is very important. Place a drop of clear nail polish on the azimuth screw to secure it. 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URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 00:51:19 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:51:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <940688.46219.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> yup! which reminds me, the one i have is just a straight silver '600. someday i would like to add a black 600II to my collection. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 1:14 PM That's cool Jay. If it was black it would look good sitting on your chest in place of the flowers!   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jay knickerbocker Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II hi all. bought my 600 new back in '76, used it til '81. it then sat dormant for 23 yrs til '04. i had it rehabbed that yr and it its still running strong and sounding great! i think i want it buried with me when that day comes. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:38 AM Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 1/25/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:16 AM The 600II was an evolutionary product, triggered by the development of the crystalloy head. The superior materials greatly increased headroom and lowered distortion, so Nak did away with the IM supression and added fromt panel record level calibration. The idea that a tape recordist would WANT to calibrate level for every tape was revolutionary. While the 1000, 700, and 550 had rear panel cal controls, the acceptance of the upfront concept led to the 580/680 series features.    The 600II also offered a custom option, mixing pieces from the silver and black versions for a new look. I had one customer who wanted the 600II cassette holder put on his 600, so he'd not need a dust cover. As in all these models, the Dolby circuit is made of discrete parts. Each circuit is aligned by two pots. I've always wondered how Dolby tracking compares to the early Dolby ICs used in the 480.     One tip on the 600II is very important. Place a drop of clear nail polish on the azimuth screw to secure it. The azimuth screw almost turns itself at night.   tom brucker = -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 02:13:36 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:13:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901001261623g6f8eeb4ei206f3f2482850324@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <750056.17762.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> no sir.humerous maybe. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 4:23 PM Anyone else find this thread just a little morbid? Willy On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:14 PM, tom brucker wrote: That's cool Jay. If it was black it would look good sitting on your chest in place of the flowers!   tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jan 27 09:19:02 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:19:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <848162.46635.qm@web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <848162.46635.qm@web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8e80a4344503d4dc74d849b067743eca.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Ram, I should lookup the 600 I have somewhere and play with it! Nice to hear you're so in love with this 'simple' deck, while owning much more advanced Naks! Will you have it serviced? But my database says I have an original 600II manual somewhere. Do you still need it? If so would have to track it down and scan it. Wouter > Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? > > Thanks > Ram From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Wed Jan 27 10:08:08 2010 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:08:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II References: <340540.50865.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01ca9f30$3e2d8e60$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> I can appreciate wanting to be buried with my favorite Nak, but I think I'll leave mine to somebody who would appreciate it, maybe some people on this forum! Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: jay knickerbocker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II oh, ok. i'm only 'assuming' i'll be buried. my family/faith has no 'set in stone' of method of remains disposal. who knows what'll happen when the time comes. so maybe i should change it to 'if i'm buried, i want my nak 600 buried with me'. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:44 PM Jay, I hear you. I would like the same with 2-3 of my favorite Naks if only my custom allowed burials! We cremate our dead and I would not want to see any Nak burnt "alive", with or without me! Cheers, --- On Tue, 1/26/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 11:49 AM hi all. bought my 600 new back in '76, used it til '81. it then sat dormant for 23 yrs til '04. i had it rehabbed that yr and it its still running strong and sounding great! i think i want it buried with me when that day comes. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:38 AM Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 1/25/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:16 AM The 600II was an evolutionary product, triggered by the development of the crystalloy head. The superior materials greatly increased headroom and lowered distortion, so Nak did away with the IM supression and added fromt panel record level calibration. The idea that a tape recordist would WANT to calibrate level for every tape was revolutionary. While the 1000, 700, and 550 had rear panel cal controls, the acceptance of the upfront concept led to the 580/680 series features. The 600II also offered a custom option, mixing pieces from the silver and black versions for a new look. I had one customer who wanted the 600II cassette holder put on his 600, so he'd not need a dust cover. As in all these models, the Dolby circuit is made of discrete parts. Each circuit is aligned by two pots. I've always wondered how Dolby tracking compares to the early Dolby ICs used in the 480. One tip on the 600II is very important. Place a drop of clear nail polish on the azimuth screw to secure it. 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URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Jan 27 12:36:00 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:36:00 +0200 Subject: FW: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II Message-ID: For those of who that need a bit of prodding when writing or reading the english language(I am sure lots of us missed the finer nuance Jay's last reply): humerous is when it is like fertiliser(spelling)! humorous is when its funny! What indeed a fine point of humour, Jay walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:jay knickerbocker  Sent:Wednesday, January 27, 2010 03:13  To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks naktalk at naks.com;  Subject:Re: [naktalk] The 600 II no sir.humerous maybe. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 4:23 PM Anyone else find this thread just a little morbid? Willy On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:14 PM, tom brucker wrote: That's cool Jay. If it was black it would look good sitting on your chest in place of the flowers!   tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Wed Jan 27 15:09:41 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:09:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <8e80a4344503d4dc74d849b067743eca.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.n l> References: <848162.46635.qm@web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8e80a4344503d4dc74d849b067743eca.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <0KWW002BBSO1SBF6@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> I love my 600 and haven't heard it in months. I got mine for less than $50 including shipping off eBay. Pristine and it came with the cover. I was simply blown away at its sound. Very enjoyable. At 03:19 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: >Hi Ram, > >I should lookup the 600 I have somewhere and play with it! Nice to hear >you're so in love with this 'simple' deck, while owning much more advanced >Naks! Will you have it serviced? > >But my database says I have an original 600II manual somewhere. Do you >still need it? If so would have to track it down and scan it. > >Wouter > > > Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? > > > > Thanks > > Ram > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 16:46:49 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:46:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <8e80a4344503d4dc74d849b067743eca.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <860058.87631.qm@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, Yep, this manual I certainly need. Would appreciate your efforts in locating and scanning! I might have it serviced down the line as the SX recording has level issues now. However, the deck does excellent EX tape recordings and the playback is very warm analogue! It sounds better than most high end Naks. In fact, its very very close to the ESL serviced 680ZX( total refurbish) I have in the stable! Speaks a lot about a tiny giant! Regards, Ram --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Wouter Heijke wrote: From: Wouter Heijke Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:19 AM Hi Ram, I should lookup the 600 I have somewhere and play with it! Nice to hear you're so in love with this 'simple' deck, while owning much more advanced Naks! Will you have it serviced? But my database says I have an original 600II manual somewhere. Do you still need it? If so would have to track it down and scan it. Wouter > Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? > > Thanks > Ram ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 17:32:23 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:32:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: FW: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <189458.24539.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> walter, thank you for the nice comment but i would be less than honest to not admit that i did mean to say 'humorous' and not 'humerous'. (you knew that didn't you  :>)) perhaps my comment was more deserving of the the term, 'humerous'. i can only wish that i had the gift of being able to create good humor. (isn't that an ice cream brand or something?) --- On Wed, 1/27/10, wdrewes at iafrica.com wrote: From: wdrewes at iafrica.com Subject: FW: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:36 AM For those of who that need a bit of prodding when writing or reading the english language(I am sure lots of us missed the finer nuance Jay's last reply): humerous is when it is like fertiliser(spelling)! humorous is when its funny! What indeed a fine point of humour, Jay walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:jay knickerbocker  Sent:Wednesday, January 27, 2010 03:13  To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks naktalk at naks.com;  Subject:Re: [naktalk] The 600 II no sir.humerous maybe. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 4:23 PM Anyone else find this thread just a little morbid? Willy On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:14 PM, tom brucker wrote: That's cool Jay. If it was black it would look good sitting on your chest in place of the flowers!   tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 17:37:31 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:37:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <000e01ca9f30$3e2d8e60$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <242878.98639.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> please don't tell anybody, but i have 5 other naks (4 mr-1s, bx-300) that i can leave to some appreciative cassette deck/music lovers when i pass. that way i won't feel like i'd be depriving too many people of naks by having my 600 buried with me. are we morbid yet. or maybe again? --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote: From: Rainer & Joy-Ell Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 1:08 AM I can appreciate wanting to be buried with my favorite Nak, but I think I'll leave mine to somebody who would appreciate it, maybe some people on this forum!   Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: jay knickerbocker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II oh, ok. i'm only 'assuming' i'll be buried. my family/faith has no 'set in stone' of method of remains disposal. who knows what'll happen when the time comes. so maybe i should change it to 'if i'm buried, i want my nak 600 buried with me'. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:44 PM Jay, I hear you. I would like the same with 2-3 of my favorite Naks if only my custom allowed burials! We cremate our dead and I would not want to see any Nak burnt "alive", with or without me! Cheers, --- On Tue, 1/26/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 11:49 AM hi all. bought my 600 new back in '76, used it til '81. it then sat dormant for 23 yrs til '04. i had it rehabbed that yr and it its still running strong and sounding great! i think i want it buried with me when that day comes. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:38 AM Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 1/25/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:16 AM The 600II was an evolutionary product, triggered by the development of the crystalloy head. The superior materials greatly increased headroom and lowered distortion, so Nak did away with the IM supression and added fromt panel record level calibration. The idea that a tape recordist would WANT to calibrate level for every tape was revolutionary. While the 1000, 700, and 550 had rear panel cal controls, the acceptance of the upfront concept led to the 580/680 series features.    The 600II also offered a custom option, mixing pieces from the silver and black versions for a new look. I had one customer who wanted the 600II cassette holder put on his 600, so he'd not need a dust cover. As in all these models, the Dolby circuit is made of discrete parts. Each circuit is aligned by two pots. I've always wondered how Dolby tracking compares to the early Dolby ICs used in the 480.     One tip on the 600II is very important. Place a drop of clear nail polish on the azimuth screw to secure it. 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URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 17:39:11 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:39:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fw: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II Message-ID: <688453.1958.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/27/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:37 AM please don't tell anybody, but i have 5 other naks (4 mr-1s, bx-300) that i can leave to some appreciative cassette deck/music lovers when i pass. that way i won't feel like i'd be depriving too many people of naks by having my 600 buried with me. are we morbid yet. or maybe again? --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote: From: Rainer & Joy-Ell Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 1:08 AM I can appreciate wanting to be buried with my favorite Nak, but I think I'll leave mine to somebody who would appreciate it, maybe some people on this forum!   Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: jay knickerbocker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II oh, ok. i'm only 'assuming' i'll be buried. my family/faith has no 'set in stone' of method of remains disposal. who knows what'll happen when the time comes. so maybe i should change it to 'if i'm buried, i want my nak 600 buried with me'. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:44 PM Jay, I hear you. I would like the same with 2-3 of my favorite Naks if only my custom allowed burials! We cremate our dead and I would not want to see any Nak burnt "alive", with or without me! Cheers, --- On Tue, 1/26/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 11:49 AM hi all. bought my 600 new back in '76, used it til '81. it then sat dormant for 23 yrs til '04. i had it rehabbed that yr and it its still running strong and sounding great! i think i want it buried with me when that day comes. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:38 AM Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 1/25/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:16 AM The 600II was an evolutionary product, triggered by the development of the crystalloy head. The superior materials greatly increased headroom and lowered distortion, so Nak did away with the IM supression and added fromt panel record level calibration. The idea that a tape recordist would WANT to calibrate level for every tape was revolutionary. While the 1000, 700, and 550 had rear panel cal controls, the acceptance of the upfront concept led to the 580/680 series features.    The 600II also offered a custom option, mixing pieces from the silver and black versions for a new look. I had one customer who wanted the 600II cassette holder put on his 600, so he'd not need a dust cover. As in all these models, the Dolby circuit is made of discrete parts. Each circuit is aligned by two pots. I've always wondered how Dolby tracking compares to the early Dolby ICs used in the 480.     One tip on the 600II is very important. Place a drop of clear nail polish on the azimuth screw to secure it. 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URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 17:41:50 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:41:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <0KWW002BBSO1SBF6@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <418589.62609.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> dear roland, please get back into using your nak 600. to not use it for long lengths of time means it could fall into disrepair, ie the rubber parts possibly becoming unusable, etc. --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Roland wrote: From: Roland Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 6:09 AM I love my 600 and haven't heard it in months.  I got mine for less than $50 including shipping off eBay.  Pristine and it came with the cover.  I was simply blown away at its sound.  Very enjoyable. At 03:19 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: >Hi Ram, > >I should lookup the 600 I have somewhere and play with it! Nice to hear >you're so in love with this 'simple' deck, while owning much more advanced >Naks! Will you have it serviced? > >But my database says I have an original 600II manual somewhere. Do you >still need it? If so would have to track it down and scan it. > >Wouter > > > Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? > > > > Thanks > > Ram > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 20:44:22 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:44:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Play Disengages..... Message-ID: <185436.10799.qm@web110802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you so much for your input, Tom and Luis, it is greatly appreciated. I've been experimenting more in conjunction with reading / referring to the service manual and this Nak forum.  I am more mechanical by nature but have some very basic understanding of electronics and logic? After cleaning (Deoxiting) and buttoning up the 670ZX after meter "needle freeing" she worked like a charm just like the owner's manual described. There was the Auto Azimuth (non) calibration thing going on but found that if I reversed the cassette, she would auto calibrate, go on to set levels for tape type and record and playback with INCREDIBLE sound quality, making me unbelievably happy especially after seeing this unit piled upon under a stack of vintage hifi equipment in a dank storage garage. I got so confident, that I actually put her in a system hoping to rediscover and play my old cassettes.  Initially, she was fine, however after being "on" she eventually would not engage in "Play" mode.  FF / RR was fine, I even got the knack of RAMM and could get to songs when the heads were not "drooped". So I took her out of the system, put her on the bench and started to watch her operate with the cover off and this are symptoms / findings: 1.  When awakened "cold", power switch thrown on and timer set to "Play", she immediately goes into play and will play nicely for a few minutes, unitl the heads lower, capstans disengage and finally stop when counter does not advance. 2.  Awakened cold with timer set to "Record" she starts to record and even self calibrate azimuth for a few minutes until drooping. 3.  The belts are all in good condition and there's no evidence of slipping.  Counter is very accurate when she was running fine, stopped "exactly" at zeroed point on tape ready to play, record.  I believe the reel clutches? are working fine. >From reading, studying and playing / experimenting with the 670, when the unit is put in "Play" the cam motor is initiated and drives the motor and cam via belt to the "PY" position and held in place.  Position fed back via VR 405 and adjusted by VR 402 & 403.   When awakened, she does exactly this, however, as time goes on, she will slowly turn cw (looking from the front panel) slowly lowering the playback heads and capstans.  Pushing on the "Play" button will momentarily cause the motor to drive the cam ccw and the heads and capstans back "up" but not really make it. If I actually try to drive / push the cam back to the PY position as she's slowly turning cw, the cam drive motor actually fights this driving the other way, ir seems obvious that the 670 thinks VR 405 is in the correct position. It's almost like it's electrical EDysfunction.  The cam motor is not making the cam / heads & capstans stay "up".  When the unit is "hot / on for a while", there's no drive (by the cam motor) at all, I do not see evidence of belt slippage, however, I have not yet marked the plastic pulleys to see if they are moving / slipping. Thank you in advance for any / all comments.  I've been time traveling through the forum 4 years back and from reading am thinking the 670 is something special. Fred in CT   Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:27:33 -0600 From: "tom brucker" Subject: RE: [naktalk] 670ZX Play Disengages..... To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Fred, Stretched counter belts cause intermittent auto-stop. tom brucker Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:54:34 +0100 From: Luis Peromarta Regert Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX Play Disengages..... To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: <738919E9-659A-40E2-B749-9113FBF8034A at peromarta.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bad take up due to idler tyre? Clutch too slippy ? Enviado desde mi iPhone El 25/01/2010, a las 20:30, "Fred S.C. Li"    escribió: > > Well after a few days of play, recording and general new to me 670ZX   > "discovery" she's disengages "Play" mode while playing. > > Belts are in good condition and are not slipping. > > When she's turned on and cold, the unit will play for a few minutes   > where upon the heads and drive will "droop" and disengage.  Pushing   > "Play" will raise the heads / drives but not quite "lock"? in. > > VR 402 & 403 are adjusted correctly.  While watching the unit with   > the cover off, cam drives / points to the correct "PY" cam label but   > will slowly turn counterclockwise and disengage "Play". > > What would be causing this?  Help greatly appreciated. > > Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At 11:41 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: >dear roland, >please get back into using your nak 600. to not use it for long >lengths of time means it could fall into disrepair, ie the rubber >parts possibly becoming unusable, etc. > >--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Roland wrote: > >From: Roland >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 6:09 AM > >I love my 600 and haven't heard it in months. I got mine for less >than $50 including shipping off eBay. Pristine and it came with the >cover. I was simply blown away at its sound. Very enjoyable. > >At 03:19 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: > >Hi Ram, > > > >I should lookup the 600 I have somewhere and play with it! Nice to hear > >you're so in love with this 'simple' deck, while owning much more advanced > >Naks! Will you have it serviced? > > > >But my database says I have an original 600II manual somewhere. Do you > >still need it? If so would have to track it down and scan it. > > > >Wouter > > > > > Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Ram > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Roland > >When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 28 03:01:09 2010 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (gtsdave) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:01:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New ZX-7 Owner with a transport question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <18210CC471964CA1876D58C34701B089@home> You may also have a problem with hardened grease. I did with my deck, once the grease was cleaned up and the gear re-greased, the cam worked fine. Sounds like the cam is not completing its travel. If you have the cover off, try to turn the cam gear manually after you press play and see if it travels a bit more and the noise stops. Just a suggestion. But, could be a belt issue as well. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strack [mailto:markvi82 at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] New ZX-7 Owner with a transport question Hello all, I am the proud new owner of a Nakamichi ZX-7. I was in a record store, not really looking for a tape deck, but saw what I initially thought was a Dragon sitting behind the counter. It turns out it's a ZX-7 that the owner was looking to get rid of for $100. He was selling it cheap because it had a problem with the record calibration circuit. He said only one channel showed up on the meters when he ran the calibration test tone. However, it plays fine. We hooked it up and played a tape through it, and sure enough, it does play fine. So, I bought it, figuring I probably wouldn't do any recording on it anyway, as I have reel to reel. However, once I got to the quiet of my own house, I realised the transport does have a slight issue. When you press play, you can hear this motor running in the background that raises the heads up to play the tape. Sometimes, that motor keeps running, even after the heads are up and the tape is playing. If I hit stop, or fast forward, then hit play again, often times it will go away. My thinking was that perhaps this is a belt slipping? I found a site that sells a belt kit for this deck for around $20, and was thinking of buying it, but wanted to check with you guys first. What do you think, does this sound like belts? Thanks for your help. -Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 04:54:08 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:54:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II Message-ID: <256661.23216.qm@web80606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I love the sound of my nak 600 but I can hear some faint motor brush noise just above the tape hiss level. I did find an old small box labeled from Nakamichi America Corp. 19701 S. Vermont Avenue, Torrance, California 90502 in my closet that I saved from years ago. Inside are still sealed in their plastic bags a brand new motor, belt, crystal permalloy playback head and an erase head for a Nak 600. So I should call Tom Brucker and see if he could do some restoration work on it.         -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 15:22:11 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:22:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 600 II In-Reply-To: <201001281117.o0SB8XtV032004@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001281117.o0SB8XtV032004@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <965106.93787.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> There ya go. I think if there is any value in being 'human', it's what we leave behind to those who care, not what we try to take with us. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:08:08 -0600 From: Rainer & Joy-Ell Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600 II To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <000e01ca9f30$3e2d8e60$400110ac at owner66fc96eb0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I can appreciate wanting to be buried with my favorite Nak, but I think I'll leave mine to somebody who would appreciate it, maybe some people on this forum! Rainer S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Thu Jan 28 16:40:00 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:40:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600II In-Reply-To: <201001271139.o0RBUG9V010850@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001271139.o0RBUG9V010850@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <787847.88407.qm@web113716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Ram It's a while since I've worked on a 600 or 600II, but I seem to remember that they can't be optimised in the SX position for some of the higher bias tapes - their bias current range didn't extend high enough. For instance, you can optimise them for TDK SA, but not TDK SAX. This comment would also apply to other members of the DT series (350, 500, 550). If your 600II can't be calibrated properly for lower bias SX position tapes (eg TDK SA), the other possibility that comes to mind is that you might have a little head wear. Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:38:22 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <848162.46635.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? 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This is one reason the ZXL system was introduced. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Gipps Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:40 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: [naktalk] The 600II Hi Ram It's a while since I've worked on a 600 or 600II, but I seem to remember that they can't be optimised in the SX position for some of the higher bias tapes - their bias current range didn't extend high enough. For instance, you can optimise them for TDK SA, but not TDK SAX. This comment would also apply to other members of the DT series (350, 500, 550). If your 600II can't be calibrated properly for lower bias SX position tapes (eg TDK SA), the other possibility that comes to mind is that you might have a little head wear. Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:38:22 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <848162.46635.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? 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Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 1/28/10, John Gipps wrote: From: John Gipps Subject: [naktalk] The 600II To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 10:40 AM Hi Ram It's a while since I've worked on a 600 or 600II, but I seem to remember that they can't be optimised in the SX position for some of the higher bias tapes - their bias current range didn't extend high enough. For instance, you can optimise them for TDK SA, but not TDK SAX. This comment would also apply to other members of the DT series (350, 500, 550). If your 600II can't be calibrated properly for lower bias SX position tapes (eg TDK SA), the other possibility that comes to mind is that you might have a little head wear. Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:38:22 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: hitech at birch.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks     Message-ID: <848162.46635.qm at web112706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tom, You hit the bulls eye on the azimuth screw. On bringing it home, the first thing I did was adjust the azimuth with a 15 Khz. tape( LP's tape and the T 100) and like you said, the darn screw just has a mind of its own. However, all is well now and the deck plays superb. Nail polish done! One issue though. I can not seem to get the record calibration( 400Hz) to record at 0dB at all even after I turn the pots all the way clockwise. This is only for SX tape. In the Ex mode it calibrates perfectly. Any thoughts? Bias calibration takes place as described at -10dB for both type of tapes. Not that I want to record on this deck, but why not? Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? 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URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Thu Jan 28 20:37:25 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:37:25 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <201001281107.o0SB07hd031697@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001281107.o0SB07hd031697@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <36aa7058cffcbd862a992c40db4b1438.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Roland, I use mechanical rotary switch boxes (ex Jaycar in AU/NZ) for swopping between various Naks.... allows me to connect 4 decks onto to one pre-amp tape circuit. The 'audiophiles' cringe at this arrangement but it is entirely for convenience to ensure that my operating naks get a spin every now and then... I try for once a month. There is a slight degradation of sound, but it is worth it for the convenience, and usually I am doing something else with music in the background anyway. My main recording decks..... ZX-7 and 682ZX are connected direct :o) Just for the hell of it, I once had 20 naks running through my 610 pre... once...and no nak was materially or psychologically harmed by this experiment :o} I have both the 600 and 600II, and I'd throw the 580 into the same mix...can't really distinguish between them... cheers, Martin > I am looking into a different type of audio cabinet that would allow > me to put it out on a shelf for easy use. A few months ago, there > was a discussion of audio loop controllers, some electronic, some > mechanical switches that would allow multiple units to be attached. > > My preamp has two loops, the Dragon is on one, my r-t-r is on the other. > > I'd say it's been 2-3 months since it was last used. > > Very, very impressive deck and mine is the 600, not the 600II. > > Which begs this question. > > Does anyone have the 600 and 600II and do you notice a great difference? > > At 11:41 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: >>dear roland, >>please get back into using your nak 600. to not use it for long >>lengths of time means it could fall into disrepair, ie the rubber >>parts possibly becoming unusable, etc. >> >>--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Roland wrote: >> >>From: Roland >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 6:09 AM >> >>I love my 600 and haven't heard it in months. I got mine for less >>than $50 including shipping off eBay. Pristine and it came with the >>cover. I was simply blown away at its sound. Very enjoyable. >> >>At 03:19 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: >> >Hi Ram, >> > >> >I should lookup the 600 I have somewhere and play with it! Nice to hear >> >you're so in love with this 'simple' deck, while owning much more >> advanced >> >Naks! Will you have it serviced? >> > >> >But my database says I have an original 600II manual somewhere. Do you >> >still need it? If so would have to track it down and scan it. >> > >> >Wouter >> > >> > > Also, owners manual on the 600 II anyone? >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > Ram >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>Roland >> >>When momentum meets resistance, push harder. >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From westgateishere at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 01:06:30 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:06:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <36aa7058cffcbd862a992c40db4b1438.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: <71993.75016.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> on a similar note, i run my 6 naks, 6 tascam 122 (3 mk IIs, 3 IIIs), various other cassette decks, 5 reel to reel machines, and 8 dvd recorders/players (including blu ray and hd dvd) at least once a month for about an hour or so, usually without listening to them, just to keep the rubber parts pliable, and juice running thru the circuits, so they don't fall into disrepair. i also actually listen to and sometimes record music on each, at a rate of maybe once every few months. they're all on sort of a revolving schedule. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz wrote: From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 11:37 AM Roland, Just for the hell of it, I once had 20 naks running through my 610 pre... once...and no nak was materially or psychologically harmed by this experiment :o} cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Fri Jan 29 15:35:44 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:35:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600II In-Reply-To: <201001291117.o0TB8ZFH019738@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001291117.o0TB8ZFH019738@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <560601.40306.qm@web113714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Ram I'll be interested in the results you get for TDK SA in the SX position - hopefully, you'll be able to get your record level sitting on 0dB. It doesn't surprise me that you can adjust your 600II for TDK D and AD in the EX position, but since these two tapes have different bias requirements, it has to be the case that the deck can't be accurate on both of them in the EX position without at least bias re-adjustment. They may have the same record level without re-adjustment. If you do have significant head wear, you can often get quite good results from low bias tapes (eg TDK D ), and have difficulty achieving acceptable THD measurements on higher bias tapes. I still have the feeling that even a new 600II won't calibrate properly on SAX - I'm relying on memory (I don't think I've worked on a 600/600II for twenty years), but I'm pretty sure that when using SAX on a 600II you will always be operating underbiased, and as a result have high THD and poor level. I have some 600s and one 600II - to my shame, none of them in good service condition. You've made me curious Ram - I'll have to restore the 600II and remind myself what they sound like. Regards John Message: 4 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600II To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <645946.59288.qm at web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John, I tried on a Nakamichi SX II tape which is the equivalent of the TDK SA-x I shall try an SA and post back. However, the EX( TDK D and AD) tapes calibrate on the dot with no tweaking required at all. If there was head wear, would that occur? Regards, Ram __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www..tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francosly at iol.it Fri Jan 29 15:51:46 2010 From: francosly at iol.it (francosly) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:51:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL References: <005901ca9ec7$f0241ee0$d06c5ca0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <001301caa0f2$94a26180$1d01a8c0@franco> Hi, I have a 1000ZXL, a 700ZXL and a 700ZXE all perfectly aligned. IMH the two 700 sound quite similar but the 1000 is in own class. I use a Spectral 20 as preamplifier, a Bat 600 as power amplifier and a pair of Kharma 1.2 as loudspeaker. All cables are chosen for transparency. 1000ZXL have a so natural sound that all other decks seem to be false. I have many other cassette decks: Revox B215, Tandberg 3014, Nak ZX9, ZX682, Aiwa XK-S9000. In my experience the 1000ZXL remain the best and moreover it "eat" every tape. Franco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Gabrenas" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL > Curious if anyone has a 1000ZXL and what the difference is from the > 700ZXL? > I might be in the market for one of them. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From johngipps at ymail.com Fri Jan 29 16:41:18 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:41:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600II In-Reply-To: <201001291117.o0TB8ZFH019738@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001291117.o0TB8ZFH019738@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <990125.45291.qm@web113705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Tom I presume that "SA or -S" is a typo, and you meant "SA or -X" since we're talking about SA and SAX. So I assume you are saying "SA or SAX are designed to operate at SA bias points". I can't agree with that. They have very different bias requirements, and using SAX in a machine adjusted for SA will give a rising frequency response and poor THD - a bit of a pity since SAX achieves about the lowest THD that a tape can achieve with correct adjustment. Like every tape ever made, TDK SAX is designed to operate at its correct bias point - at this point it will produce a nice flat frequency response and stunning distortion levels (it is by a mile my favourite tape). The "peaky high frequency" you mention would come with increased distortion and sound thin and harsh - no I wouldn't want that. I would be happy to "tolerate a 1/2 dB droop from 10k to 15kHz". In my experience, no cassette deck can reliably deliver a response accurate to 1/2 dB over the whole audio band - and it doesn't matter either - our ears can't pick 1/2 dB deviations from flat - especially in the 10KHz to 15KHz area - but we sure can hear the objectionable colouration (distortion) generated when recording underbiased. As for "one tremendous disadvantage of two frequency bias setup", you're talking about every high level Nakamichi with the exception of the 1000ZXL, the 700ZXL, and the 700ZXE. Well I personally haven't found any tremendous disadvantage in models such as ZX-7, ZX-9, CR-7, and a dozen others - they sound superb. Regards John Message: 3 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:26:47 -0600 From: "tom brucker" Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" John, SA or -S is designed to operate at SA or UDXLII bias points. If you want a peaky high frequency, you do nothing. If you want flat and can tolerate a 1/2 dB droop from 10k t0 15kHz, the bias only needs to be raised a tweak. One tremendous disadvantage of two frequency bias setup is that you cannot measure what goes on at all the other frequencies. This is one reason the ZXL system was introduced. tom brucker __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 19:07:07 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:07:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs In-Reply-To: <08e001caa0ef$3868f170$a93ad450$@com> References: <08e001caa0ef$3868f170$a93ad450$@com> Message-ID: <114625.83797.qm@web55105.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Ken. In answer to your query about ESL: I had my CR7 completely overhauled, parts replaced, and brought back up to factory specs (and probably better than factory specs).  They do a terrific job and have a fairly large collection of many original Nak parts for many models.  I actually drove there to deliver my CR7, as I only live (luckily) about 2 hours drive-time away, and therefore met them in person.  Jeff and his team are the best.  However, they are not cheap.  You get what you pay for, as they are known world-wide as the best Nak experts.  Jayson ________________________________ From: Ken Schwarz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 9:27:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs Hi,   I have a Nakamichi 680ZX needing repair. I read about Electronics Service Labs in various places in the Internet and see that they have a reputation for excellent work.   Can anyone with recent experience using their services please contact me and let me know how it went?   Thanks,   - Ken ken at the-maestros.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 20:28:56 2010 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:28:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <0KWX0022KA3HAW52@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <510928.73561.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a couple of DBX route selectors and several Niles TSB 3 tape deck switchers. It looks like the Niles is selling from crutchfield for $119 but I got mine new for $69 a few years back. They come up on eaby or craigslist if you keep looking. With two of the Niles you could have 6 tape decks hooked up to your loops. You can dub between decks on the Niles, monitor any one of them or dub between loops on the amp. Same with the DBX. David --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Roland wrote: > > I am looking into a different type of audio cabinet that > would allow me > to put it out on a shelf for easy use.  A few months > ago, there was > a discussion of audio loop controllers, some electronic, > some mechanical > switches that would allow multiple units to be attached. > > > My preamp has two loops, the Dragon is on one, my r-t-r is > on the > other. > > > I'd say it's been 2-3 months since it was last > used. > > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 00:28:20 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:28:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 II In-Reply-To: <510928.73561.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414929.94043.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have 3 Niles and they are pretty good for tape loop splitting.Ram --- On Fri, 1/29/10, fripp_em wrote: From: fripp_em Subject: RE: [naktalk] The 600 II To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 2:28 PM I have a couple of DBX route selectors and several Niles TSB 3 tape deck switchers.  It looks like the Niles is selling from crutchfield for $119 but I got mine new for $69 a few years back.  They come up on eaby or craigslist if you keep looking.  With two of the Niles you could have 6 tape decks hooked up to your loops.  You can dub between decks on the Niles, monitor any one of them or dub between loops on the amp.   Same with the DBX. David --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Roland wrote: >  > I am looking into a different type of audio cabinet that > would allow me > to put it out on a shelf for easy use.  A few months > ago, there was > a discussion of audio loop controllers, some electronic, > some mechanical > switches that would allow multiple units to be attached. > > > My preamp has two loops, the Dragon is on one, my r-t-r is > on the > other. > > > I'd say it's been 2-3 months since it was last > used. > >       ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 00:35:39 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:35:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs In-Reply-To: <08e001caa0ef$3868f170$a93ad450$@com> Message-ID: <571590.44429.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I had my 680ZX overhauled by ESL and the deck is now phenomenal. Of course you pay for what you get but with ESL you get total overhaul. Worth it IMHO. Ram --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Ken Schwarz wrote: From: Ken Schwarz Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 9:27 AM Hi,   I have a Nakamichi 680ZX needing repair. I read about Electronics Service Labs in various places in the Internet and see that they have a reputation for excellent work.   Can anyone with recent experience using their services please contact me and let me know how it went?   Thanks,   - Ken ken at the-maestros.com   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Jan 30 04:23:22 2010 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:23:22 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] SAX calibration Message-ID: John Your comments on calibrating RDK SAX tape on a 600 came just after I had similar problem on the ZX9 you serviced for me. A SAX90 tape came up to only -10dB but a SA90 tape came up to 0dB easily. MA90 is OK too. I expect that this reflects the head wear you noted unless it is a faulty tape. What would be the effect of calibrating the SAX tape on the Metal setting? Regards David >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:40:00 -0800 (PST) >From: John Gipps >Subject: [naktalk] The 600II >To: naktalk at naks.com >Cc: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com >Message-ID: <787847.88407.qm at web113716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >Hi Ram >It's a while since I've worked on a 600 or 600II, but I seem to remember that they can't be optimised in the SX position for some of the higher bias tapes - their bias current range didn't extend high enough. For instance, you can optimise them for TDK SA, but not TDK SAX. This comment would also apply to other members of the DT series (350, 500, 550). >If your 600II can't be calibrated properly for lower bias SX position tapes (eg TDK SA), the other possibility that comes to mind is that you might have a little head wear. >Regards >John Gipps From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 19:02:55 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:02:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The 600II In-Reply-To: <560601.40306.qm@web113714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <626218.14472.qm@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi John,   I shall do that once I get back home early next week and post. I shall recheck whether I used ad and d or just the D once again.   Regards,   Ram         --- On Fri, 1/29/10, John Gipps wrote: From: John Gipps Subject: [naktalk] The 600II To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 9:35 AM Hi Ram I'll be interested in the results you get for TDK SA in the SX position - hopefully, you'll be able to get your record level sitting on 0dB. It doesn't surprise me that you can adjust your 600II for TDK D and AD in the EX position, but since these two tapes have different bias requirements, it has to be the case that the deck can't be accurate on both of them in the EX position without at least bias re-adjustment. They may have the same record level without re-adjustment. If you do have significant head wear, you can often get quite good results from low bias tapes (eg TDK D ), and have difficulty achieving acceptable THD measurements on higher bias tapes. I still have the feeling that even a new 600II won't calibrate properly on SAX - I'm relying on memory (I don't think I've worked on a 600/600II for twenty years), but I'm pretty sure that when using SAX on a 600II you will always be operating underbiased, and as a result have high THD and poor level. I have some 600s and one 600II - to my shame, none of them in good service condition. You've made me curious Ram - I'll have to restore the 600II and remind myself what they sound like. Regards John   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitrack at hotmail.com Sat Jan 30 19:14:23 2010 From: hitrack at hotmail.com (Jeff) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:14:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs In-Reply-To: <201001301118.o0UB9HjA013411@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001301118.o0UB9HjA013411@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: That's what I had heard too, not cheap!! I had enquired about a CR-7 that had for sale off the site. They wanted over $2k for it. Too much for me at the time. It seems you may pay easily in repairs what you paid for the deck itself or more. But if the work is top notch it's worth it. I've also got a Dragon that could use their deluxe once over. ************************************************* Hi Ken. In answer to your query about ESL: I had my CR7 completely overhauled, parts replaced, and brought back up to factory specs (and probably better than factory specs). They do a terrific job and have a fairly large collection of many original Nak parts for many models. I actually drove there to deliver my CR7, as I only live (luckily) about 2 hours drive-time away, and therefore met them in person. Jeff and his team are the best. However, they are not cheap. You get what you pay for, as they are known world-wide as the best Nak experts. Jayson From jimtuller at verizon.net Sat Jan 30 20:44:12 2010 From: jimtuller at verizon.net (Jim Tuller) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:44:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Electronics Service Labs Message-ID: <4B648C0C.6070103@verizon.net> Jeff restored 4 machines for me, all to a remarkably high level of performance. One of them (a 480Z) definitely sounds better than new, I was really surprised on that one. The service is costly, and the waiting time can be very long (many months) if they are busy. They do an outstanding job. From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 22:15:56 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:15:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <222912.61562.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI JEF ET AL, Please understand that the ESL overhaul is a very cumbersome  and exhaustive procedure on the deck. They explode the deck inside out and replace any and all known to fail parts and then some. The resulting deck will be "better than new" sound and spec wise and they offer a 2 year warranty on any such rehab job. Its stated as such on their invoice! Please understand that this procedure is very involving and time consuming. Erik of ESL spends close to 10-15 days overhauling each deck part by part. The Dragon/CR 7A may cost close to $2500 to refurbish to better than new condition. This translates to 70- 112 labor hours folks! Try running a business with its liabilities and overheads and you will know that $2500 paid for these decks to refurbish isn't all that profitable to the owner of the business. But to the Nak lover it is well worth it! My $1. Ram --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Jeff wrote: From: Jeff Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 1:14 PM That's what I had heard too, not cheap!! I had enquired about a CR-7 that had for sale off the site. They wanted over $2k for it. Too much for me at the time. It seems you may pay easily in repairs what you paid for the deck itself or more. But if the work is top notch it's worth it. I've also got a Dragon that could use their deluxe once over. ************************************************* Hi Ken. In answer to your query about ESL: I had my CR7 completely overhauled, parts replaced, and brought back up to factory specs (and probably better than factory specs).  They do a terrific job and have a fairly large collection of many original Nak parts for many models.  I actually drove there to deliver my CR7, as I only live (luckily) about 2 hours drive-time away, and therefore met them in person.  Jeff and his team are the best.  However, they are not cheap.  You get what you pay for, as they are known world-wide as the best Nak experts. Jayson ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 22:19:16 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:19:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] SAX calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <709871.40819.qm@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, 1. My ZX9(both) have no issue caibrating TDK SA-X bias at all. So its your deck here. 2. The metal bias if used on the SA-X will cause your ZX9 to not even give you a proper azimuth light! Yep, tried it many times! SO forget peoperly calibrating a SA-X with metal bias. It fails miserably.Regards,Ram --- On Fri, 1/29/10, David Thompson wrote: From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] SAX calibration To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 10:23 PM John Your comments on calibrating RDK SAX tape on a 600 came just after I had similar problem on the ZX9 you serviced for me. A SAX90 tape came up to only -10dB but a SA90 tape came up to 0dB easily. MA90 is OK too. I expect that this reflects the head wear you noted unless it is a faulty tape. What would be the effect of calibrating the SAX tape on the Metal setting? Regards David >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:40:00 -0800 (PST) >From: John Gipps >Subject: [naktalk] The 600II >To: naktalk at naks.com >Cc: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com >Message-ID: <787847.88407.qm at web113716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >Hi Ram >It's a while since I've worked on a 600 or 600II, but I seem to remember that they can't be optimised in the SX position for some of the higher bias tapes - their bias current range didn't extend high enough. For instance, you can optimise them for TDK SA, but not TDK SAX. This comment would also apply to other members of the DT series (350, 500, 550). >If your 600II can't be calibrated properly for lower bias SX position tapes (eg TDK SA), the other possibility that comes to mind is that you might have a little head wear. >Regards >John Gipps ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In answer to your query about ESL: I had my CR7 completely overhauled, parts replaced, and brought back up to factory specs (and probably better than factory specs).  They do a terrific job and have a fairly large collection of many original Nak parts for many models.  I actually drove there to deliver my CR7, as I only live (luckily) about 2 hours drive-time away, and therefore met them in person.  Jeff and his team are the best.  However, they are not cheap.  You get what you pay for, as they are known world-wide as the best Nak experts. 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URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Sun Jan 31 00:53:31 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:53:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs In-Reply-To: <222912.61562.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <478622.96128.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> you mean to the 'well heeled' nak lover, it's worth it, right? --- On Sat, 1/30/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 1:15 PM But to the Nak lover it is well worth it! --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Jeff wrote: From: Jeff Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 1:14 PM That's what I had heard too, not cheap!! I had enquired about a CR-7 that had for sale off the site. They wanted over $2k for it. Too much for me at the time. It seems you may pay easily in repairs what you paid for the deck itself or more. But if the work is top notch it's worth it. I've also got a Dragon that could use their deluxe once over. ************************************************* Hi Ken. In answer to your query about ESL: I had my CR7 completely overhauled, parts replaced, and brought back up to factory specs (and probably better than factory specs).  They do a terrific job and have a fairly large collection of many original Nak parts for many models.  I actually drove there to deliver my CR7, as I only live (luckily) about 2 hours drive-time away, and therefore met them in person.  Jeff and his team are the best.  However, they are not cheap.  You get what you pay for, as they are known world-wide as the best Nak experts. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Jan 31 13:18:22 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:18:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs In-Reply-To: References: <201001301118.o0UB9HjA013411@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <986100.22439.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > ... But if the work is top notch it's worth it. But if the same top notch work can be had for half the price or even lower, is it still worth it? My view is that ESL has an advantage in stocking NOS Nakamichi parts and all factory gauges. However, if a specific job does not require these, ESL is not that cost effective. For example, I acquired a CR-7 some years ago. Stephen Sank went over it with a fine tooth comb and performed complete calibration and alignment (he did have a full set of alignment tapes and gauges). I preferred to have ESL do the job, since I live within driving distance from them, but the price difference for doing the exact same job was substantial, so I went with Stephen. Needless to say, he did a superb job. A couple years later, my CR-7 blew an IC in the capstan motor electronics. Stephen sent me a dead capstan motor PCB, gratis, from which I cannibalized that IC. I didn't even ask ESL how much a new IC would cost, but the one from Stephen cost nothing and is still running great, after all these years. Too bad Stephen no longer services Nak decks. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Jeff To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 1:14:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs That's what I had heard too, not cheap!! I had enquired about a CR-7 that had for sale off the site. They wanted over $2k for it. Too much for me at the time. It seems you may pay easily in repairs what you paid for the deck itself or more. But if the work is top notch it's worth it. I've also got a Dragon that could use their deluxe once over. ************************************************* Hi Ken. In answer to your query about ESL: I had my CR7 completely overhauled, parts replaced, and brought back up to factory specs (and probably better than factory specs). They do a terrific job and have a fairly large collection of many original Nak parts for many models. I actually drove there to deliver my CR7, as I only live (luckily) about 2 hours drive-time away, and therefore met them in person. Jeff and his team are the best. However, they are not cheap. You get what you pay for, as they are known world-wide as the best Nak experts. Jayson ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Sun Jan 31 14:10:29 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:10:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] SAX Calibration In-Reply-To: <201001311118.o0VB9c5v006452@zxe.naks.com> References: <201001311118.o0VB9c5v006452@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <452866.72613.qm@web113707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi David In the case of your ZX-9, it won't be a head wear problem. If you have recently successfully calibrated on MA90 in the ZX position, then the machine will have the capability to calibrate on SAX in the SX position. You have said that you can calibrate on SA in the SX position - so it sounds as though there's probably nothing wrong with the electronics that are associated with selecting the SX bias range. Ram is quite right - you shouldn't be able to calibrate an SAX tape in the ZX position. It would seem that this just leaves the tape to be at fault. While you do hear about new faulty tapes from TDK, I can't remember ever having a new defective SAX - was it a new tape? I can understand your having a problem if the SAX tape was damaged and has a longitudinal crease down the middle or something like that. I suggest you try other TDK SAX's, and make sure your tape path is nice and clean. Just in case you had a malfunction of the SX selector switch - perhaps give it some exercise - change from EX to SX to ZX a dozen times or so - apart from that, I'm out of ideas. Please get back to me when you've played with it a bit more. Regards John Message: 2 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:23:22 +1000 From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] SAX calibration To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" John Your comments on calibrating TDK SAX tape on a 600 came just after I had similar problem on the ZX9 you serviced for me. A SAX90 tape came up to only -10dB but a SA90 tape came up to 0dB easily. MA90 is OK too. I expect that this reflects the head wear you noted unless it is a faulty tape. What would be the effect of calibrating the SAX tape on the Metal setting? Regards David __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Jan 31 14:46:18 2010 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:46:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Problems References: <571590.44429.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <692D0918564F4801B4BEDDB8198F63CF@asus8an32dlx> Hi guys, I bought yesterday a CR7E with a problem. The problem with the deck is that there is no input or output signal at all. In play and record mode the transport runs, so thats looking good. The display also burns but gives no meter signal. With a 400 hz testtone on the input and the input control to source still no signal on the meter. Any idea what to check first? I remember a similar problem with a Nak 582 where a bulb was the problem. Has the CR7E also that kind of technical issues? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 31 18:47:40 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:47:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs In-Reply-To: <35660.69351.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <227127.42993.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well no one can deny that ESL Labs provide the most exhaustive service on Naks today. But it is up to the individual to justify if they can afford this service at any particular point. For most people unfortunately, money is a real issue and a ESL treatment to their beloved Naks is something they have to save up for. But it is worth saving up for.  CheersBala  --- On Sun, 1/31/10, LENA WONG wrote: From: LENA WONG Subject: Re: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 5:39 AM I --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Jeff wrote: From: Jeff Subject: [naktalk] Experience with Electronics Service Labs To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 12:14 PM That's what I had heard too, not cheap!! I had enquired about a CR-7 that had for sale off the site. They wanted over $2k for it. Too much for me at the time. It seems you may pay easily in repairs what you paid for the deck itself or more. But if the work is top notch it's worth it. I've also got a Dragon that could use their deluxe once over. ************************************************* Hi Ken. In answer to your query about ESL: I had my CR7 completely overhauled, parts replaced, and brought back up to factory specs (and probably better than factory specs).  They do a terrific job and have a fairly large collection of many original Nak parts for many models.  I actually drove there to deliver my CR7, as I only live (luckily) about 2 hours drive-time away, and therefore met them in person.  Jeff and his team are the best.  However, they are not cheap.  You get what you pay for, as they are known world-wide as the best Nak experts. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 31 19:02:50 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:02:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL In-Reply-To: <001301caa0f2$94a26180$1d01a8c0@franco> Message-ID: <367523.24206.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi,  The differences between the 700ZXL and 1000ZXL has been discussed before and the archives should return a few results. Sonically, they have a slightly different signature and I know of some people who prefer the 700ZXL's slightly warm sound and somewhat fuzzy bass to the tight bass and very open treble of the 1000ZXL.  There are more differences then that of course, but like I said, the archives yield a lot of information and this has been discussed a couple of times before.  CheersBala  --- On Fri, 1/29/10, francosly wrote: From: francosly Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 10:51 PM Hi, I have a 1000ZXL, a 700ZXL and a 700ZXE all perfectly aligned. IMH the two 700 sound quite similar but the 1000 is in own class. I use a Spectral 20 as preamplifier, a Bat 600 as power amplifier and a pair of Kharma 1.2 as loudspeaker. All cables are  chosen for transparency. 1000ZXL have a so natural sound that all other decks seem to be false. I have many other cassette decks: Revox B215, Tandberg 3014, Nak ZX9, ZX682, Aiwa XK-S9000. In my experience the 1000ZXL remain the best and moreover it "eat" every tape. Franco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Gabrenas" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL > Curious if anyone has a 1000ZXL and what the difference is from the 700ZXL? > I might be in the market for one of them. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office:         LCB105 > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sun Jan 31 23:27:51 2010 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:27:51 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SAX Calibration In-Reply-To: <452866.72613.qm@web113707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John Thanks for the feedback. The SAX tape is a lone sealed one that I gained from a mixed batch purchased on Ebay. I don¹t have any others to try. The SA90 calibrated well at the same time and the MAs are fine. So it looks like the tape itself is faulty. The playback is patchy in spots. Perhaps it was heat affected in storage. Regards David On 31/01/10 11:10 PM, "John Gipps" wrote: > Hi David > > In the case of your ZX-9, it won't be a head wear problem. If you have > recently successfully calibrated on MA90 in the ZX position, then the machine > will have the capability to calibrate on SAX in the SX position. You have said > that you can calibrate on SA in the SX position - so it sounds as though > there's probably nothing wrong with the electronics that are associated with > selecting the SX bias range. Ram is quite right - you shouldn't be able to > calibrate an SAX tape in the ZX position. > > It would seem that this just leaves the tape to be at fault. While you do hear > about new faulty tapes from TDK, I can't remember ever having a new defective > SAX - was it a new tape? I can understand your having a problem if the SAX > tape was damaged and has a longitudinal crease down the middle or something > like that. I suggest you try other TDK SAX's, and make sure your tape path is > nice and clean. Just in case you had a malfunction of the SX selector switch - > perhaps give it some exercise - change from EX to SX to ZX a dozen times or so > - apart from that, I'm out of ideas. > > Please get back to me when you've played with it a bit more. > > Regards > > John > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:23:22 +1000 > From: David Thompson > Subject: [naktalk] SAX calibration > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > John > > Your comments on calibrating TDK SAX tape on a 600 came just after I had > similar problem on the ZX9 you serviced for me. A SAX90 tape came up to only > -10dB but a SA90 tape came up to 0dB easily. MA90 is OK too. I expect that > this reflects the head wear you noted unless it is a faulty tape. What would > be the effect of calibrating the SAX tape on the Metal setting? > > Regards > > David > > > > > > Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and > for free at PLUS7. Check it out > mailtag> . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2010\2010-July.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From reddog23 at cox.net Sun Jul 4 14:38:03 2010 From: reddog23 at cox.net (Reddog) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 07:38:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXE RM-580 NR-100 for sale on Audiogon Message-ID: <000001cb1b75$bef08b30$3cd1a190$@net> Just wanted to let the members know that I posted a 700ZXE and a RM580 and a NR100 for sale on AudiogoN My moniker there is Reddog Thanks for looking.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From David.King at usq.edu.au Tue Jul 6 06:27:20 2010 From: David.King at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 14:27:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Small part required for 670/680 series Message-ID: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CE5F9698F@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Hi all I was wondering if by any chance anyone might have a parts deck in the 670/680 series. I am chasing one small switch sleeve (with the silver tip) that slides over all of the switch shafts of those switches running down the right hand side of the deck. Willing to pay for same and cover postage to Australia. Thanks all Regards David This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Jul 7 23:06:17 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:06:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Small part required for 670/680 series In-Reply-To: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CE5F9698F@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CE5F9698F@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: Hi David - Send me your address and I'll send you one. Willy On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:27 PM, David King wrote: > Hi all > > > > I was wondering if by any chance anyone might have a parts deck in the > 670/680 series. I am chasing one small switch sleeve (with the silver tip) > that slides over all of the switch shafts of those switches running down the > right hand side of the deck. Willing to pay for same and cover postage to > Australia. > > > > Thanks all > > > > Regards > > > > David > > > > > ------------------------------ > This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the > intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, > as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. > > The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect > those of the University of Southern Queensland. 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URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Wed Jul 7 22:47:57 2010 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 for sale Message-ID: <131569.63069.qm@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Don't know if anyone was interested, but I thought I'd let you know my CR-3 is on Ebay ending tonight in about 5 hours.  Bidding starts at 39.99 and no one's bid, so could be a good steal... Cheers, Jesse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From David.King at usq.edu.au Thu Jul 8 01:24:19 2010 From: David.King at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 09:24:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Small part required for 670/680 series In-Reply-To: References: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CE5F9698F@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CFC854C81@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Hi Willy Thank you very much! Will contact you directly. Regards David From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 7:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Small part required for 670/680 series Hi David - Send me your address and I'll send you one. Willy This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. 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Ran spec on machine and touched up calibration.  Machine now meets factory original specifications.  The previous owner Dan was kind enough to provide me with a copy of the receipt. So my questions are: 1. Would I benefit from having my deck calibrated by a technician for a specific tape type, say Maxell XL ll? 2. Also if deck is calibrated for Maxell XL ll that was a tape produced in the late 80's, and then I use another XL ll that was produced in the early 90's, or even a Xl II-S, then am I still benefiting from the calibration?  In addition if I switch from a XL-46 to a XL-90 would this also negate the calibration? 3. Last question, I have decided to collect Maxell Xl LL from the late 1980's with a certain wrapper. Any thoughts on this or should I look to another tape type? Thank you David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Fri Jul 9 11:31:33 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:31:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tape type calibration. References: <655005.53516.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <743E1D83FF0D4BB295368149511DD802@superdator> Hi David! Regarding calibration: use the built in test tone and calibrate with the external knobs. Have a look in the users manual for a more detailed description. I recommend a calibration before each recording session due to differences in tape formulas. Regards Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: david mille To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tape type calibration. Hello fellow Nak Talk members, first a quick thank you to all that so graciously replied to my questions a couple months ago. OK now for another couple more questions. I have finally purchase a deck that I believe to be in excellent shape. It is a ZX-7 and it has been serviced by Willy Hermann. The service that was done according to to the receipt is as follows. Repair Accomplished: Traced problem to a stretched capstan belt. Replaced belt, re-lubed transport mechanism as needed. Ran spec on machine and touched up calibration. Machine now meets factory original specifications. The previous owner Dan was kind enough to provide me with a copy of the receipt. So my questions are: 1. Would I benefit from having my deck calibrated by a technician for a specific tape type, say Maxell XL ll? 2. Also if deck is calibrated for Maxell XL ll that was a tape produced in the late 80's, and then I use another XL ll that was produced in the early 90's, or even a Xl II-S, then am I still benefiting from the calibration? In addition if I switch from a XL-46 to a XL-90 would this also negate the calibration? 3. Last question, I have decided to collect Maxell Xl LL from the late 1980's with a certain wrapper. Any thoughts on this or should I look to another tape type? Thank you David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 9 15:58:25 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 06:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tape type calibration. In-Reply-To: <655005.53516.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <655005.53516.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <399854.37632.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> David, let me addresss your third question. Nakamichi decks were calibrated for TDK tapes.  In fact, Nakimichi's own brand of tapes were manufactured by TDK.  It is rumored that Nakimichi told TDK to cut their tapes from the middle of the large spools in the factory, because Nak believed that tape quality is better in the middle of a roll than at the ends.   Jayson  ________________________________ From: david mille To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 7:10:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tape type calibration. Hello fellow Nak Talk members, first a quick thank you to all that so graciously replied to my questions a couple months ago.  OK now for another couple more questions. I have finally purchase a deck that I believe to be in excellent shape. It is a ZX-7 and it has been serviced by Willy Hermann.  The service that was done according to to the receipt is as follows. Repair Accomplished: Traced problem to a stretched capstan belt. Replaced belt, re-lubed transport mechanism as needed. Ran spec on machine and touched up calibration.  Machine now meets factory original specifications.  The previous owner Dan was kind enough to provide me with a copy of the receipt. So my questions are: 1. Would I benefit from having my deck calibrated by a technician for a specific tape type, say Maxell XL ll? 2. Also if deck is calibrated for Maxell XL ll that was a tape produced in the late 80's, and then I use another XL ll that was produced in the early 90's, or even a Xl II-S, then am I still benefiting from the calibration?  In addition if I switch from a XL-46 to a XL-90 would this also negate the calibration? 3. Last question, I have decided to collect Maxell Xl LL from the late 1980's with a certain wrapper. Any thoughts on this or should I look to another tape type? Thank you David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Jul 9 18:33:16 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:33:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tape type calibration. In-Reply-To: <655005.53516.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <655005.53516.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi David - One of the benefits of the ZX-7 is that you can calibrate it for each tape type prior to recording. Follow the instructions in the manual for record head azimuth, then level and bias set. Do this for each tape you record to optimize the recording capabilities of the machine for that specific spool of tape. With the internal oscillators and meters you are able to calibrate the machine as well as any tech. Enjoy a great machine! Willy On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, david mille wrote: > Hello fellow Nak Talk members, first a quick thank you to all that so > graciously replied to my questions a couple months ago. OK now for another > couple more questions. I have finally purchase a deck that I believe to be > in excellent shape. It is a ZX-7 and it has been serviced by Willy Hermann. > The service that was done according to to the receipt is as follows. Repair > Accomplished: Traced problem to a stretched capstan belt. Replaced belt, > re-lubed transport mechanism as needed. Ran spec on machine and touched up > calibration. Machine now meets factory original specifications. The > previous owner Dan was kind enough to provide me with a copy of the receipt. > So my questions are: > 1. Would I benefit from having my deck calibrated by a technician for a > specific tape type, say Maxell XL ll? > 2. Also if deck is calibrated for Maxell XL ll that was a tape produced in > the late 80's, and then I use another XL ll that was produced in the early > 90's, or even a Xl II-S, then am I still benefiting from the calibration? > In addition if I switch from a XL-46 to a XL-90 would this also negate the > calibration? > 3. Last question, I have decided to collect Maxell Xl LL from the late > 1980's with a certain wrapper. Any thoughts on this or should I look to > another tape type? > Thank you > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Fri Jul 9 16:59:04 2010 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:59:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tape type calibration. In-Reply-To: <655005.53516.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ZX-7s allow you to calibrate level, bias, and you also adjust the rec head azimuth to obtain optimum recordings. The EQ is set internally and you can align that for your particular tape. Tape formulations change and are not that consistent even within the same box. My experience is mostly with TDK SAs though. I have a ZX-9 that was worked on by ESL and is the best recording deck in my experience. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of david mille Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tape type calibration. Hello fellow Nak Talk members, first a quick thank you to all that so graciously replied to my questions a couple months ago. OK now for another couple more questions. I have finally purchase a deck that I believe to be in excellent shape. It is a ZX-7 and it has been serviced by Willy Hermann. The service that was done according to to the receipt is as follows. Repair Accomplished: Traced problem to a stretched capstan belt. Replaced belt, re-lubed transport mechanism as needed. Ran spec on machine and touched up calibration. Machine now meets factory original specifications. The previous owner Dan was kind enough to provide me with a copy of the receipt. So my questions are: 1. Would I benefit from having my deck calibrated by a technician for a specific tape type, say Maxell XL ll? 2. Also if deck is calibrated for Maxell XL ll that was a tape produced in the late 80's, and then I use another XL ll that was produced in the early 90's, or even a Xl II-S, then am I still benefiting from the calibration? In addition if I switch from a XL-46 to a XL-90 would this also negate the calibration? 3. Last question, I have decided to collect Maxell Xl LL from the late 1980's with a certain wrapper. Any thoughts on this or should I look to another tape type? Thank you David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 10 16:55:22 2010 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:55:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Tapes offered to Naktalk members Message-ID: <427256.72701.qm@web27402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi I realised that I'm never going to use these tapes again so for the price of shipping, I'll let one of the members have them. They are all used and currently have music on them - the labels are written on in most cases, as are the inlay cards (though many of them on one side only). The tapes have not been abused and have been carefully stored. I have 30 different chromes, 1 metal and 6 which I think are type I but which use a 70 microsecond EQ setting. They are all in cases. I'm in Manchester, England and would be happy to estimate the cost of shipping these. If this interests you, please let me know and I'll send the full list of what I have. Thanks for reading... Chris Mann (lurking Naktalker) From bill.cameron at ntlworld.com Sun Jul 11 00:07:35 2010 From: bill.cameron at ntlworld.com (CAMERON WILLIAM) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:07:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes offered to Naktalk members In-Reply-To: <427256.72701.qm@web27402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <427256.72701.qm@web27402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi I would be interested depends on p&p Thanks Bill. On 10 July 2010 15:55, Chris Mann wrote: > Hi > > I realised that I'm never going to use these tapes again so for the price > of shipping, I'll let one of the members have them. > > They are all used and currently have music on them - the labels are written > on in most cases, as are the inlay cards (though many of them on one side > only). The tapes have not been abused and have been carefully stored. > > I have 30 different chromes, 1 metal and 6 which I think are type I but > which use a 70 microsecond EQ setting. They are all in cases. > > I'm in Manchester, England and would be happy to estimate the cost of > shipping these. If this interests you, please let me know and I'll send the > full list of what I have. > > Thanks for reading... > > Chris Mann (lurking Naktalker) > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill.cameron at ntlworld.com Sun Jul 11 09:44:58 2010 From: bill.cameron at ntlworld.com (CAMERON WILLIAM) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 08:44:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes offered to Naktalk members In-Reply-To: References: <427256.72701.qm@web27402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi replied last night but only realised I never said where I was . Glasgow.Too busy trying to catch up on emails after a short stay in hospital.Still not up to speed yet. Many thanks Bill. On 10 July 2010 23:07, CAMERON WILLIAM wrote: > Hi > I would be interested depends on p&p > Thanks Bill. > > On 10 July 2010 15:55, Chris Mann wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I realised that I'm never going to use these tapes again so for the price >> of shipping, I'll let one of the members have them. >> >> They are all used and currently have music on them - the labels are >> written on in most cases, as are the inlay cards (though many of them on one >> side only). The tapes have not been abused and have been carefully stored. >> >> I have 30 different chromes, 1 metal and 6 which I think are type I but >> which use a 70 microsecond EQ setting. They are all in cases. >> >> I'm in Manchester, England and would be happy to estimate the cost of >> shipping these. If this interests you, please let me know and I'll send the >> full list of what I have. >> >> Thanks for reading... >> >> Chris Mann (lurking Naktalker) >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jul 12 09:16:02 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:16:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 service manual Message-ID: <30eff03f9cc5f1d050a72d8036c512be.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Many thanks to Steve Kulak for making the NR-100 service manual available! It can be found in the usual place: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Enjoy! Wouter From iforbes at forbescars.com Wed Jul 14 02:06:09 2010 From: iforbes at forbescars.com (Ivan Forbes) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:06:09 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx Message-ID: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Jul 14 09:01:15 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:01:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx In-Reply-To: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> References: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> Message-ID: <55DB6FE4-F96C-4213-9F04-B27AC0817622@peromarta.org> I don't want to go again into the cable paranoia, but for 200 I'd buy another Nak deck. Use any well built cable at hand, with good tight connectors. One more thing, the cable that's half the lenght is twice as good. -- Saludos, LP El 14/07/2010, a las 02:06, "Ivan Forbes" escribió: > Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 09:26:06 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:26:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx In-Reply-To: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> References: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> Message-ID: As far as I am concerned -- and I've been in the audio service business for nearly forty years -- all you need is gold-plating on metal RCA plugs, and good-quality shielded coax *properly soldered to the plugs*. The fuss about super-audiophile-grade interconnects is mostly hoopla and audiobabble. Moreover, a great many "audiophile-grade" interconnects are poorly soldered. * * * * * On top of this, numerous so-called audiophile interconnects grip the RCA jacks way too tight, the coax is way too stiff, and the plugs are glamorous and long -- like little crowbars. This leads to physical damage to the jacks, as well as frequent ripped-loose connection between the jacks and the circuit boards. I have posted numerously online about these being "death grip audio cables". There is nothing more disheartening than seeing a beautiful-sounding Krell power amp where the interconnects have literally torn the RCA jacks apart. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Ivan Forbes wrote: > Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might > suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp > combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set > new or used. 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URL: From jpmoss2 at netzero.com Wed Jul 14 14:36:46 2010 From: jpmoss2 at netzero.com (jim phillips) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:36:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx In-Reply-To: References: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> Message-ID: For my nak decks I like to use nakamichi cables. 03:26 AM 7/14/2010, you wrote: >As far as I am concerned -- and I've been in the audio service >business for nearly forty years -- all you need is gold-plating on >metal RCA plugs, and good-quality shielded coax properly soldered to the plugs. > >The fuss about super-audiophile-grade interconnects is mostly hoopla >and audiobabble. > >Moreover, a great many "audiophile-grade" interconnects are poorly soldered. > >* * * * * > >On top of this, numerous so-called audiophile interconnects grip the >RCA jacks way too tight, the coax is way too stiff, and the plugs >are glamorous and long -- like little crowbars. This leads to >physical damage to the jacks, as well as frequent ripped-loose >connection between the jacks and the circuit boards. I have posted >numerously online about these being "death grip audio cables". > >There is nothing more disheartening than seeing a beautiful-sounding >Krell power amp where the interconnects have literally torn the RCA >jacks apart. > >Fred >Classic Audio Repair >www.repairaudio.com > >* * * * * > >On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Ivan Forbes ><iforbes at forbescars.com> wrote: >Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one >might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube >Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 >to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any one know what >interconnects might suit the 680xz. > >Thanks. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 15:13:37 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx In-Reply-To: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> References: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> Message-ID: <692342.99959.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> $150 to $200? That's ridiculous. Go to Radio Rat and get their gold plated interconnects. Last I saw, they went for $15 a pair. They're an overkill. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Ivan Forbes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 8:06:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 15:25:34 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx In-Reply-To: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> Message-ID: <257575.82536.qm@web112719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Ivan, A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he sells multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 years +! With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. Thats all. Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the ZXL series! Ram. --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes wrote: From: Ivan Forbes Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz.   Thanks. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Jul 14 18:33:10 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:33:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx In-Reply-To: <257575.82536.qm@web112719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> <257575.82536.qm@web112719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ahhh Ram!!! I have heard that old saw so many times! Cables *do* make a sonic difference in a system and frequently can make a bigger difference for a given amount of money spent than any other change. However -- the effect of a cable is increased as the signal level through that cable decreases. Phono cables and pre amp to main amp cables are the most critical. (Your "well informed audio enthusiast" must be deaf not to hear the differences a cable can make in a high end turntable) At line level cables make a far smaller difference and your advice about spending the money on another Nak deck is probably correct. Also keep in mind that a system needs to be at a quality level where these differences are noticeable. The cable industry has its charlatans like any other industry but please don't malign the bulk of them who are producing a valuable product. Willy BTW - I have no affiliation of any kind with any cable manufacturer. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:25 AM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Ivan, > > A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not name > names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your system sound > better, you need a better system to begin with. He went on to say that "high > end" cable industry should actually be out of business for all that he > cares. He felt they literally sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is > talking about as he sells multi thousand dollar turntables and > cartridges!.....for 40 years +! > > With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp you > mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. Thats all. > > Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) > > Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the ZXL > series! > > Ram. > > --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes * wrote: > > > From: Ivan Forbes > Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM > > Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might > suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp > combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set > new or used. 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URL: From blkmacster at cox.net Wed Jul 14 17:10:28 2010 From: blkmacster at cox.net (CB) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:10:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx In-Reply-To: <201007141009.o6EA7mtg017350@zxe.naks.com> References: <201007141009.o6EA7mtg017350@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000901cb2366$b2de4aa0$189adfe0$@net> I'd use Audioquest Diamondbacks to start, however it all depends on what your tastes in a systems presentation are. I like warm, fuzzy and musical, hence my system is comprised of CJ, Vandersteen and VPI. I use Straight Music cable on the input side of my C7A, CR5..... 681ZX etc and Straight Wire Music Conductor on the output side. I like the Straightwire more than I do the Audioquest Diamondbacks for this application. But I was using the Diamonds and they worked wonderfully, when I upgraded the IC between my Pre/Amp to AQ Cheetah's, it allowed me to move the Straightwires to where they are now. M~ From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 17:24:12 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx In-Reply-To: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> Message-ID: <696577.4765.qm@web80608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ivan ; Ok, I've used many of the top brands, ( Straight Wire Maestro, Monstercable, AudioQuest, etc ) and now I only use one type on all my vintage audio gear. This is going to sound a little crazy but I use cheap Sony gold plated OFC cables I bought years ago for $3.99 for 1 meter and $4.99 for 2 meter lengths. They have been discontinued in the US market ( of course ! )  but still can be found from some online merchants with a little bit of web searching. They sound fantastic and won't damage the rca jacks on vintage equipment. Also I've found them to be directional and sound different depending on which way they are hooked up. Here are the model #s   Sony RK-C310   and  Sony RK-C320  .   Thomas. --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes wrote: From: Ivan Forbes Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 14 19:32:36 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:32:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX In-Reply-To: <257575.82536.qm@web112719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC>, <257575.82536.qm@web112719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The 680ZX has been on top of my list for the past ten years as the next Nak to buy. When I noticed one sold at a local used stereo shop (some 12 years ago), I said to the tech working there 'I see your 680ZX is gone'. He just drooled toward the ground and said 'That's one great sounding cassette deck'. I was fortunate to pick up a 680 locally two months ago. Presently joining the stereo rack with the Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5 (of which I should never part), the 680 seems to give off a more reel to reel sound, with warm, detailed sound. Therefore I can't seem to part with the 680! Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Ivan, A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he sells multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 years +! With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. Thats all. Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the ZXL series! Ram. --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes wrote: From: Ivan Forbes Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Jul 15 00:44:18 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <475142.67894.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Other than the elaborate meter system and the half-speed in the 680ZX, the mechanical/electrical systems of the 680ZX is identical to the 660/670ZX. In the past I have not heard difference between the sound of the 670ZX and the 680ZX but others may have difference listening experience than mine. I consider both are very excellent playback decks.     Mike  --- On Wed, 7/14/10, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 12:32 PM The 680ZX has been on top of my list for the past ten years as the next Nak to buy. When I noticed one sold at a local used stereo shop (some 12 years ago), I said to the tech working there 'I see your 680ZX is gone'. He just drooled toward the ground and said 'That's one great sounding cassette deck'. I was fortunate to pick up a 680 locally two months ago. Presently joining the stereo rack with the Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5 (of which I should never part), the 680 seems to give off a more reel to reel sound, with warm, detailed sound. Therefore I can't seem to part with the 680! Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Ivan, A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he sells multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 years +! With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. Thats all. Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the ZXL series! Ram. --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes wrote: From: Ivan Forbes Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz.   Thanks. The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 04:30:10 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <222850.43249.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mark, The 680zx has bass that is exemplary.( a tad more than the 670zx but definitely there) It almost equals the 1000ZXl series deck in the bass department. Thats why you feel its so warm, so sweet, so analogue and open reel like! Its the electronics inside! Ram --- On Wed, 7/14/10, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:32 PM The 680ZX has been on top of my list for the past ten years as the next Nak to buy. When I noticed one sold at a local used stereo shop (some 12 years ago), I said to the tech working there 'I see your 680ZX is gone'. He just drooled toward the ground and said 'That's one great sounding cassette deck'. I was fortunate to pick up a 680 locally two months ago. Presently joining the stereo rack with the Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5 (of which I should never part), the 680 seems to give off a more reel to reel sound, with warm, detailed sound. Therefore I can't seem to part with the 680! Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Ivan, A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he sells multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 years +! With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. Thats all. Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the ZXL series! Ram. --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes wrote: From: Ivan Forbes Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz.   Thanks. The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 08:52:42 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:52:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX In-Reply-To: <222850.43249.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <222850.43249.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark! Do you think the 680 playback electronics are better than does from ZX-7 or ZX-9 ? Did Nakamichi save anything building the ZX-7 Series on this electronic parts. Or circuits ? I do not own the 680 serie. The parts used in 680 like Level Controls or Volume Control are looking like better quality. regards Gerhard Am 15.07.2010 um 04:30 schrieb shanti ramachandran: > Mark, > > The 680zx has bass that is exemplary.( a tad more than the 670zx > but definitely there) It almost equals the 1000ZXl series deck in > the bass department. > > Thats why you feel its so warm, so sweet, so analogue and open reel > like! > > Its the electronics inside! > > Ram > > --- On Wed, 7/14/10, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:32 PM > > The 680ZX has been on top of my list for the past ten years as the > next Nak to buy. > When I noticed one sold at a local used stereo shop (some 12 years > ago), I said to the tech working there 'I see your 680ZX is gone'. > He just drooled toward the ground and said 'That's one great > sounding cassette deck'. > I was fortunate to pick up a 680 locally two months ago. > Presently joining the stereo rack with the Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5 > (of which I should never part), the 680 seems to > give off a more reel to reel sound, with warm, detailed sound. > Therefore I can't seem to part with the 680! > > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 > From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Ivan, > > A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not > name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your > system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He > went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be > out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally sell > snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he sells > multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 years +! > > With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp > you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. > Thats all. > > Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) > > Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the > ZXL series! > > Ram. > > --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes wrote: > > From: Ivan Forbes > Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM > > Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one > might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube > Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 > to 200 dollars per set new or used. 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URL: From solexny at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 00:01:29 2010 From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:01:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx In-Reply-To: <696577.4765.qm@web80608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC> <696577.4765.qm@web80608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use bluejeanscable.com been very happy for many years. On 7/14/10, thomas wrote: > Hi Ivan ; Ok, I've used many of the top brands, ( Straight Wire Maestro, > Monstercable, AudioQuest, etc ) and now I only use one type on all my > vintage audio gear. This is going to sound a little crazy but I use cheap > Sony gold plated OFC cables I bought years ago for $3.99 for 1 meter and > $4.99 for 2 meter lengths. They have been discontinued in the US market ( of > course ! )  but still can be found from some online merchants with a little > bit of web searching. They sound fantastic and won't damage the rca jacks on > vintage equipment. Also I've found them to be directional and sound > different depending on which way they are hooked up. Here are the model #s > Sony RK-C310   and  Sony RK-C320  .   Thomas. > > --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes wrote: > > > From: Ivan Forbes > Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM > > > > > > Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might > suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp > combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set > new or used. Does any one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz. > > Thanks. > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Sent from my mobile device From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Jul 15 11:13:05 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:13:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX In-Reply-To: References: <222850.43249.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C3ED121.6080607@univ-rennes1.fr> I was lucky enough to compare recently a 682ZX and a ZX9 in playback mode. Although the 682ZX seems more appealing, the ZX9 (for me) has more bass than the 682ZX and sounds quite astonishing ! cheers bernard Gerhard Wartha a écrit : > Hi Mark! > Do you think the 680 playback electronics are better than does from > ZX-7 or ZX-9 ? > > Did Nakamichi save anything building the ZX-7 Series on this > electronic parts. Or circuits ? > I do not own the 680 serie. > The parts used in 680 like Level Controls or Volume Control are > looking like better quality. > > regards > > Gerhard > > > > > Am 15.07.2010 um 04:30 schrieb shanti ramachandran: > >> Mark, >> >> The 680zx has bass that is exemplary.( a tad more than the 670zx but >> definitely there) It almost equals the 1000ZXl series deck in the >> bass department. >> >> Thats why you feel its so warm, so sweet, so analogue and open reel like! >> >> Its the electronics inside! >> >> Ram >> >> --- On *Wed, 7/14/10, Mark Exstedt /> >/* wrote: >> >> >> From: Mark Exstedt > > >> Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:32 PM >> >> The 680ZX has been on top of my list for the past ten years as >> the next Nak to buy. >> When I noticed one sold at a local used stereo shop (some 12 >> years ago), I said to the tech working there 'I see your 680ZX is >> gone'. >> He just drooled toward the ground and said 'That's one great >> sounding cassette deck'. >> I was fortunate to pick up a 680 locally two months ago. >> Presently joining the stereo rack with the Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5 >> (of which I should never part), the 680 seems to >> give off a more reel to reel sound, with warm, detailed sound. >> Therefore I can't seem to part with the 680! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 >> From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Hi Ivan, >> >> A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not >> name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your >> system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He >> went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be >> out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally >> sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he >> sells multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 >> years +! >> >> With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp >> you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. >> Thats all. >> >> Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) >> >> Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the >> ZXL series! >> >> Ram. >> >> --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes /> >/* wrote: >> >> >> From: Ivan Forbes > > >> Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM >> >> Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects >> one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp >> / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a >> fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any >> one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from >> your inbox. Get started. >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From iforbes at forbescars.com Thu Jul 15 11:25:18 2010 From: iforbes at forbescars.com (Ivan Forbes) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:25:18 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx In-Reply-To: References: <68325DE41A3D4A3D907A7633DD8AEDD6@IvanPC><696577.4765.qm@web80608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2BAB5FDCC709473FB60ABE8A19B048FC@IvanPC> Wow, thanks for all your input on interconnects. I have a wide range of suggestions from all of you and enjoyed the general points of intrest on the 680zx's capabilities in general. It looks like the general concensus is to get good quality gold plated flexible coax and don't break the bank doing so. With the extra cash you all helped me save i may pick up another used Nak somewhere. I just joined the list and will check in regularly on certain topics. Loved the discussion. Thank, Ivan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Moy" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >I use bluejeanscable.com been very happy for many years. > > > On 7/14/10, thomas wrote: >> Hi Ivan ; Ok, I've used many of the top brands, ( Straight Wire Maestro, >> Monstercable, AudioQuest, etc ) and now I only use one type on all my >> vintage audio gear. This is going to sound a little crazy but I use cheap >> Sony gold plated OFC cables I bought years ago for $3.99 for 1 meter and >> $4.99 for 2 meter lengths. They have been discontinued in the US market >> ( of >> course ! ) but still can be found from some online merchants with a >> little >> bit of web searching. They sound fantastic and won't damage the rca jacks >> on >> vintage equipment. Also I've found them to be directional and sound >> different depending on which way they are hooked up. Here are the model >> #s >> Sony RK-C310 and Sony RK-C320 . Thomas. >> >> --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes wrote: >> >> >> From: Ivan Forbes >> Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might >> suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp >> combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set >> new or used. Does any one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz. >> >> Thanks. >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bernardsda at hotmail.com Thu Jul 15 12:47:58 2010 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:47:58 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX In-Reply-To: <4C3ED121.6080607@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <222850.43249.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C3ED121.6080607@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: That may be so, Boitrel, but I've read on this forum that the 682ZX and the 680ZX are not the same machine: the latter has more bass, while the former has better recording facilities. I'd be interested to know if the 682 is superior/inferior in any other ways. Bernard White On 15/07/2010, at 7:13 PM, boitrel wrote: > I was lucky enough to compare recently a 682ZX and a ZX9 in playback > mode. > Although the 682ZX seems more appealing, the ZX9 (for me) has more > bass than the 682ZX and sounds quite astonishing ! > > cheers > bernard > > Gerhard Wartha a écrit : >> Hi Mark! >> Do you think the 680 playback electronics are better than does >> from ZX-7 or ZX-9 ? >> >> Did Nakamichi save anything building the ZX-7 Series on this >> electronic parts. Or circuits ? >> I do not own the 680 serie. >> The parts used in 680 like Level Controls or Volume Control are >> looking like better quality. >> >> regards >> >> Gerhard >> >> >> >> Am 15.07.2010 um 04:30 schrieb shanti ramachandran: >> >>> Mark, >>> >>> The 680zx has bass that is exemplary.( a tad more than the 670zx >>> but definitely there) It almost equals the 1000ZXl series deck in >>> the bass department. >>> >>> Thats why you feel its so warm, so sweet, so analogue and open >>> reel like! >>> >>> Its the electronics inside! >>> >>> Ram >>> >>> --- On *Wed, 7/14/10, Mark Exstedt />> >>/* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Mark Exstedt >> > >>> Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:32 PM >>> >>> The 680ZX has been on top of my list for the past ten years as >>> the next Nak to buy. >>> When I noticed one sold at a local used stereo shop (some 12 >>> years ago), I said to the tech working there 'I see your 680ZX is >>> gone'. >>> He just drooled toward the ground and said 'That's one great >>> sounding cassette deck'. >>> I was fortunate to pick up a 680 locally two months ago. >>> Presently joining the stereo rack with the Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5 >>> (of which I should never part), the 680 seems to >>> give off a more reel to reel sound, with warm, detailed sound. >>> Therefore I can't seem to part with the 680! >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 >>> From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> Hi Ivan, >>> >>> A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not >>> name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your >>> system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He >>> went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be >>> out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally >>> sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he >>> sells multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 >>> years +! >>> >>> With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp >>> you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. >>> Thats all. >>> >>> Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) >>> >>> Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the >>> ZXL series! >>> >>> Ram. >>> >>> --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes />> >/* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Ivan Forbes >> > >>> Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM >>> >>> Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects >>> one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp >>> / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a >>> fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any >>> one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from >>> your inbox. Get started. >>> >> > >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com >>> mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com >>> mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Jul 15 13:26:47 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:26:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx Message-ID: Why another Nak ? Carefull it gets like a desease---I know,because I have 7 dragons,3 CR7.,2of 682 ZX ,1  of700 ZXE, 1 of 1000ZXL- etc etc-I now ask my self: What for? Be carefull once it starts you cannot stop!   he! he! Walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:Ivan Forbes  Sent:Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:25  To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks naktalk at naks.com; thomas36245-net at yahoo.com;  Subject:Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx Wow, thanks for all your input on interconnects. I have a wide range of suggestions from all of you and enjoyed the general points of intrest on the 680zx's capabilities in general. It looks like the general concensus is to get good quality gold plated flexible coax and don't break the bank doing so. With the extra cash you all helped me save i may pick up another used Nak somewhere. I just joined the list and will check in regularly on certain topics. Loved the discussion. Thank, Ivan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Moy" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >I use bluejeanscable.com been very happy for many years. > > > On 7/14/10, thomas wrote: >> Hi Ivan ; Ok, I've used many of the top brands, ( Straight Wire Maestro, >> Monstercable, AudioQuest, etc ) and now I only use one type on all my >> vintage audio gear. This is going to sound a little crazy but I use cheap >> Sony gold plated OFC cables I bought years ago for $3.99 for 1 meter and >> $4.99 for 2 meter lengths. They have been discontinued in the US market >> ( of >> course ! ) but still can be found from some online merchants with a >> little >> bit of web searching. They sound fantastic and won't damage the rca jacks >> on >> vintage equipment. Also I've found them to be directional and sound >> different depending on which way they are hooked up. Here are the model >> #s >> Sony RK-C310 and Sony RK-C320 . Thomas. >> >> --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes wrote: >> >> >> From: Ivan Forbes >> Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects one might >> suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp / tube Copland pre amp >> combination. Don't want to spend a fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set >> new or used. 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However, you have to have to material(s) that can be reproduced down to that low as well as the rest of your setup before you can be able hear the difference ( if there is any ). Otherwise, both are fine machine.   As well as features wide, the 682ZX is definitely better because of tape bias adjustment as well as Dolby-C by which the 660/670/680 series lack. Of the four, the 680 has the best meter system though. All of them are fine machines.     Cheers, Mike --- On Thu, 7/15/10, Bernard White wrote: From: Bernard White Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 5:47 AM That may be so, Boitrel, but I've read on this forum that the 682ZX and the 680ZX are not the same machine: the latter has more bass, while the former has better recording facilities. I'd be interested to know if the 682 is superior/inferior in any other ways. Bernard White On 15/07/2010, at 7:13 PM, boitrel wrote: > I was lucky enough to compare recently a 682ZX and a ZX9 in playback mode. > Although the 682ZX seems more appealing, the ZX9 (for me) has more bass than the 682ZX and sounds quite astonishing ! > > cheers > bernard > > Gerhard Wartha a écrit : >> Hi Mark! >> Do you think the 680 playback electronics are better than does from  ZX-7 or ZX-9 ? >> >> Did Nakamichi save anything building the ZX-7 Series on this electronic parts. Or circuits ? >> I do not own the 680 serie. >> The parts used  in 680 like   Level Controls or Volume Control  are looking like better quality. >> >> regards >> >> Gerhard >> >> >> >> Am 15.07.2010 um 04:30 schrieb shanti ramachandran: >> >>> Mark, >>> >>> The 680zx has bass that is exemplary.( a tad more than the 670zx but definitely there) It almost equals the 1000ZXl series deck in the bass department. >>> >>> Thats why you feel its so warm, so sweet, so analogue and open reel like! >>> >>> Its the electronics inside! >>> >>> Ram >>> >>> --- On *Wed, 7/14/10, Mark Exstedt />/* wrote: >>> >>> >>>    From: Mark Exstedt >>    > >>>    Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX >>>    To: naktalk at naks.com >>>    Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:32 PM >>> >>>    The 680ZX has been on top of my list for the past ten years as >>>    the next Nak to buy. >>>    When I noticed one sold at a local used stereo shop (some 12 >>>    years ago), I said to the tech working there 'I see your 680ZX is >>>    gone'. >>>    He just drooled toward the ground and said 'That's one great >>>    sounding cassette deck'. >>>    I was fortunate to pick up a 680 locally two months ago. >>>    Presently joining the stereo rack with the Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5 >>>    (of which I should never part), the 680 seems to >>>    give off a more reel to reel sound, with warm, detailed sound. >>>    Therefore I can't seem to part with the 680! >>> >>>    ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>    Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 >>>    From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com >>>    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >>>    To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>>    Hi Ivan, >>> >>>    A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not >>>    name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your >>>    system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He >>>    went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be >>>    out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally >>>    sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he >>>    sells multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 >>>    years +! >>> >>>    With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp >>>    you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. >>>    Thats all. >>> >>>    Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) >>> >>>    Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the >>>    ZXL series! >>> >>>    Ram. >>> >>>    --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes />>    >/* wrote: >>> >>> >>>        From: Ivan Forbes >>        > >>>        Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >>>        To: naktalk at naks.com >>>        Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM >>> >>>        Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects >>>        one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp >>>        / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a >>>        fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any >>>        one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz. >>>                 Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>    ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>    The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from >>>    your inbox. Get started. >>>    >>> >>> >>>    -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>>    ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>              Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>    ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                            Naktalk at naks.com >>>    mailinglist >>>    Maintain your account here: >>>    http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>    ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Jul 15 16:17:54 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:17:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX In-Reply-To: References: <222850.43249.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C3ED121.6080607@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <4C3F1892.80708@univ-rennes1.fr> That would indeed be of interest. I red somewhere (could be in the brochure) that the 680 got a specific head (P9L) where the 682 got the "usual" P8L as in most high end classic transport decks. Any comments? bernard Bernard White a écrit : > That may be so, Boitrel, but I've read on this forum that the 682ZX > and the 680ZX are not the same machine: the latter has more bass, > while the former has better recording facilities. I'd be interested to > know if the 682 is superior/inferior in any other ways. > > Bernard White > > > On 15/07/2010, at 7:13 PM, boitrel wrote: > >> I was lucky enough to compare recently a 682ZX and a ZX9 in playback >> mode. >> Although the 682ZX seems more appealing, the ZX9 (for me) has more >> bass than the 682ZX and sounds quite astonishing ! >> >> cheers >> bernard >> >> Gerhard Wartha a écrit : >>> Hi Mark! >>> Do you think the 680 playback electronics are better than does from >>> ZX-7 or ZX-9 ? >>> >>> Did Nakamichi save anything building the ZX-7 Series on this >>> electronic parts. Or circuits ? >>> I do not own the 680 serie. >>> The parts used in 680 like Level Controls or Volume Control are >>> looking like better quality. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Gerhard >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 15.07.2010 um 04:30 schrieb shanti ramachandran: >>> >>>> Mark, >>>> >>>> The 680zx has bass that is exemplary.( a tad more than the 670zx >>>> but definitely there) It almost equals the 1000ZXl series deck in >>>> the bass department. >>>> >>>> Thats why you feel its so warm, so sweet, so analogue and open reel >>>> like! >>>> >>>> Its the electronics inside! >>>> >>>> Ram >>>> >>>> --- On *Wed, 7/14/10, Mark Exstedt />>> >/* wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Mark Exstedt >>> > >>>> Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:32 PM >>>> >>>> The 680ZX has been on top of my list for the past ten years as >>>> the next Nak to buy. >>>> When I noticed one sold at a local used stereo shop (some 12 >>>> years ago), I said to the tech working there 'I see your 680ZX is >>>> gone'. >>>> He just drooled toward the ground and said 'That's one great >>>> sounding cassette deck'. >>>> I was fortunate to pick up a 680 locally two months ago. >>>> Presently joining the stereo rack with the Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5 >>>> (of which I should never part), the 680 seems to >>>> give off a more reel to reel sound, with warm, detailed sound. >>>> Therefore I can't seem to part with the 680! >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 >>>> From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> Hi Ivan, >>>> >>>> A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not >>>> name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your >>>> system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He >>>> went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be >>>> out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally >>>> sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he >>>> sells multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 >>>> years +! >>>> >>>> With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp >>>> you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. >>>> Thats all. >>>> >>>> Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) >>>> >>>> Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the >>>> ZXL series! >>>> >>>> Ram. >>>> >>>> --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes />>> >/* wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Ivan Forbes >>> > >>>> Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM >>>> >>>> Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects >>>> one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp >>>> / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a >>>> fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any >>>> one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz. >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from >>>> your inbox. Get started. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com >>>> mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com >>>> mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From SIMP at nyc.rr.com Thu Jul 15 18:47:47 2010 From: SIMP at nyc.rr.com (SIMProductions) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:47:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX In-Reply-To: <4C3ED121.6080607@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: I'm wondering if people here are saying "more bass" as a good thing. When a deck adds to the source program, I don't think it's a good thing. I want an accurate system as possible so I can hear the music program without added bass or mids or whatever. I do have a 680zx. I prefer my Dragon and ZX-9 over it. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of boitrel Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:13 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX I was lucky enough to compare recently a 682ZX and a ZX9 in playback mode. Although the 682ZX seems more appealing, the ZX9 (for me) has more bass than the 682ZX and sounds quite astonishing ! cheers bernard Gerhard Wartha a écrit : > Hi Mark! > Do you think the 680 playback electronics are better than does from > ZX-7 or ZX-9 ? > > Did Nakamichi save anything building the ZX-7 Series on this > electronic parts. Or circuits ? > I do not own the 680 serie. > The parts used in 680 like Level Controls or Volume Control are > looking like better quality. > > regards > > Gerhard > > > > > Am 15.07.2010 um 04:30 schrieb shanti ramachandran: > >> Mark, >> >> The 680zx has bass that is exemplary.( a tad more than the 670zx but >> definitely there) It almost equals the 1000ZXl series deck in the >> bass department. >> >> Thats why you feel its so warm, so sweet, so analogue and open reel like! >> >> Its the electronics inside! >> >> Ram >> >> --- On *Wed, 7/14/10, Mark Exstedt /> >/* wrote: >> >> >> From: Mark Exstedt > > >> Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:32 PM >> >> The 680ZX has been on top of my list for the past ten years as >> the next Nak to buy. >> When I noticed one sold at a local used stereo shop (some 12 >> years ago), I said to the tech working there 'I see your 680ZX is >> gone'. >> He just drooled toward the ground and said 'That's one great >> sounding cassette deck'. >> I was fortunate to pick up a 680 locally two months ago. >> Presently joining the stereo rack with the Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5 >> (of which I should never part), the 680 seems to >> give off a more reel to reel sound, with warm, detailed sound. >> Therefore I can't seem to part with the 680! >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 >> From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Hi Ivan, >> >> A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not >> name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your >> system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He >> went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be >> out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally >> sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he >> sells multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 >> years +! >> >> With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp >> you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. >> Thats all. >> >> Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) >> >> Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the >> ZXL series! >> >> Ram. >> >> --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes /> >/* wrote: >> >> >> From: Ivan Forbes > > >> Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM >> >> Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects >> one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp >> / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a >> fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any >> one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from >> your inbox. Get started. >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 20:50:44 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <107478.29963.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Finally I am seeing some sensible approach to more bass/less base  type of response to this chain of mails   Interesting to note that many do not know how the low frequency response really sounds. Lot of time the person hearing ( whatever they claim ) is the distortion of their system including possible quality of recording they get out of their so called 680 machines. When I calibrate most of these Naks including the legendary 1000ZXL limited - using accurate Voltmeter to measure and calibrate bias and level - you will not find many differences reported by all because such calibration makes it work as it should. Even 1000 ZXL is not accurate when it calibrates as well as CR 7A as the computer AD/DA needs calibration once in a while - many do not understand this - Of all CR 7A I received needed AD calibration and similarly 1000ZXL / 700 ZXL . Get a good Widebandwidth DMM and measure feeding frequencies like 20 Hz/40/100/200/400/1Kz/3Khz/6Khz/12khz/14Khz/18Khz  20 Khz - see for yourself how much your recorded tape deviates in playing, then you will know what your 680 or 682 is doing. forget whether 680 can go down to 12 Hz or 18 Hz - find a music that can even go down to 25 Hz. I find it amusing as many can not hear frequencies reportedly they are hearing! Kannan --- On Thu, 7/15/10, SIMProductions wrote: From: SIMProductions Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 12:47 PM I'm wondering if people here are saying "more bass" as a good thing.  When a deck adds to the source program, I don't think it's a good thing.  I want an accurate system as possible so I can hear the music program without added bass or mids or whatever. I do have a 680zx.  I prefer my Dragon and ZX-9 over it. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of boitrel Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:13 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX I was lucky enough to compare recently a 682ZX and a ZX9 in playback mode. Although the 682ZX seems more appealing, the ZX9 (for me) has more bass than the 682ZX and sounds quite astonishing ! cheers bernard Gerhard Wartha a écrit : > Hi Mark! > Do you think the 680 playback electronics are better than does from >  ZX-7 or ZX-9 ? > > Did Nakamichi save anything building the ZX-7 Series on this > electronic parts. Or circuits ? > I do not own the 680 serie. > The parts used  in 680 like   Level Controls or Volume Control  are > looking like better quality. > > regards > > Gerhard > > > > > Am 15.07.2010 um 04:30 schrieb shanti ramachandran: > >> Mark, >> >> The 680zx has bass that is exemplary.( a tad more than the 670zx but >> definitely there) It almost equals the 1000ZXl series deck in the >> bass department. >> >> Thats why you feel its so warm, so sweet, so analogue and open reel like! >> >> Its the electronics inside! >> >> Ram >> >> --- On *Wed, 7/14/10, Mark Exstedt /> >/* wrote: >> >> >>     From: Mark Exstedt >     > >>     Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX >>     To: naktalk at naks.com >>     Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:32 PM >> >>     The 680ZX has been on top of my list for the past ten years as >>     the next Nak to buy. >>     When I noticed one sold at a local used stereo shop (some 12 >>     years ago), I said to the tech working there 'I see your 680ZX is >>     gone'. >>     He just drooled toward the ground and said 'That's one great >>     sounding cassette deck'. >>     I was fortunate to pick up a 680 locally two months ago. >>     Presently joining the stereo rack with the Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5 >>     (of which I should never part), the 680 seems to >>     give off a more reel to reel sound, with warm, detailed sound. >>     Therefore I can't seem to part with the 680! >> >>     --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >>     Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 >>     From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com >>     Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >>     To: naktalk at naks.com >> >>     Hi Ivan, >> >>     A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not >>     name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your >>     system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He >>     went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be >>     out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally >>     sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he >>     sells multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 >>     years +! >> >>     With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp >>     you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. >>     Thats all. >> >>     Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) >> >>     Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the >>     ZXL series! >> >>     Ram. >> >>     --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes />     >/* wrote: >> >> >>         From: Ivan Forbes >         > >>         Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx >>         To: naktalk at naks.com >>         Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM >> >>         Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects >>         one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp >>         / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a >>         fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. Does any >>         one know what interconnects might suit the 680xz. >> >>         Thanks. >> >> >> >> >>     --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >>     The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from >>     your inbox. 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URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Thu Jul 15 19:33:02 2010 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:33:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX In-Reply-To: <514388.31927.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <514388.31927.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: lol I much prefer the meters of the 660/670 series. Maybe I should see if Willy could fit a 2-speed 680 with 670 meters... would be my perfect deck! Dennis On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:36 AM, LENA WONG wrote: > From the specification, the 660/670/680 series all have frequency respons > extend down to around 10Hz while the 682ZX rolled off at around 20Hz. > However, you have to have to material(s) that can be reproduced down to that > low as well as the rest of your setup before you can be able hear the > difference ( if there is any ). Otherwise, both are fine machine. > > As well as features wide, the 682ZX is definitely better because of tape > bias adjustment as well as Dolby-C by which the 660/670/680 series lack. Of > the four, the 680 has the best meter system though. All of them are fine > machines. > > > Cheers, > Mike > > --- On *Thu, 7/15/10, Bernard White * wrote: > > > From: Bernard White > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 5:47 AM > > > That may be so, Boitrel, but I've read on this forum that the 682ZX and the > 680ZX are not the same machine: the latter has more bass, while the former > has better recording facilities. I'd be interested to know if the 682 is > superior/inferior in any other ways. > > Bernard White > > > On 15/07/2010, at 7:13 PM, boitrel wrote: > > > I was lucky enough to compare recently a 682ZX and a ZX9 in playback > mode. > > Although the 682ZX seems more appealing, the ZX9 (for me) has more bass > than the 682ZX and sounds quite astonishing ! > > > > cheers > > bernard > > > > Gerhard Wartha a écrit : > >> Hi Mark! > >> Do you think the 680 playback electronics are better than does from > ZX-7 or ZX-9 ? > >> > >> Did Nakamichi save anything building the ZX-7 Series on this electronic > parts. Or circuits ? > >> I do not own the 680 serie. > >> The parts used in 680 like Level Controls or Volume Control are > looking like better quality. > >> > >> regards > >> > >> Gerhard > >> > >> > >> > >> Am 15.07.2010 um 04:30 schrieb shanti ramachandran: > >> > >>> Mark, > >>> > >>> The 680zx has bass that is exemplary.( a tad more than the 670zx but > definitely there) It almost equals the 1000ZXl series deck in the bass > department. > >>> > >>> Thats why you feel its so warm, so sweet, so analogue and open reel > like! > >>> > >>> Its the electronics inside! > >>> > >>> Ram > >>> > >>> --- On *Wed, 7/14/10, Mark Exstedt / mark8559 at hotmail.com>>/* > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Mark Exstedt > >>> > >> > >>> Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX > >>> To: naktalk at naks.com naktalk at naks.com > > > >>> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:32 PM > >>> > >>> The 680ZX has been on top of my list for the past ten years as > >>> the next Nak to buy. > >>> When I noticed one sold at a local used stereo shop (some 12 > >>> years ago), I said to the tech working there 'I see your 680ZX is > >>> gone'. > >>> He just drooled toward the ground and said 'That's one great > >>> sounding cassette deck'. > >>> I was fortunate to pick up a 680 locally two months ago. > >>> Presently joining the stereo rack with the Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5 > >>> (of which I should never part), the 680 seems to > >>> give off a more reel to reel sound, with warm, detailed sound. > >>> Therefore I can't seem to part with the 680! > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25:34 -0700 > >>> From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com shantiram2000 at yahoo.com > > > >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx > >>> To: naktalk at naks.com naktalk at naks.com > > > >>> > >>> Hi Ivan, > >>> > >>> A truly educated and well informed audio enthusiast( I shall not > >>> name names) once told me that if you needed cables to make your > >>> system sound better, you need a better system to begin with. He > >>> went on to say that "high end" cable industry should actually be > >>> out of business for all that he cares. He felt they literally > >>> sell snake oil. This guy knows what he is talking about as he > >>> sells multi thousand dollar turntables and cartridges!.....for 40 > >>> years +! > >>> > >>> With quality components like the 680ZX and other pre amp and amp > >>> you mention, what you need is decent RCA cables that fit well. > >>> Thats all. > >>> > >>> Like Luis said, buy another Nak for the rest! :)) > >>> > >>> Enjoy the 680ZX......its one of the best Naks out there after the > >>> ZXL series! > >>> > >>> Ram. > >>> > >>> --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Ivan Forbes / > >>> >>/* > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Ivan Forbes > >>> > >> > >>> Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects for 680zx > >>> To: naktalk at naks.com naktalk at naks.com > > > >>> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:06 PM > >>> > >>> Just purchased a 680zx and I am wondering what interconnects > >>> one might suggest to hook the Nak up to a Quad 909 power amp > >>> / tube Copland pre amp combination. Don't want to spend a > >>> fortune say 150 to 200 dollars per set new or used. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 16 00:11:49 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX In-Reply-To: <107478.29963.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <821718.29733.qm@web112710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I humbly beg to disagree with the statement/s below. I report on the 680Zx 's sound( BASS) being exemplary because I have had the deck completely overhauled to" better than new" condition by ESL Labs....... Therefore, I am not reporting distortion heard as added bass. The same goes for my 1000ZXL Limited( also serviced quite extensively by ESL recently) I am running these decks ( in fact all my decks)on a McIntosh C-40 preamp (in perfect condition) and a McIntosh MC-300 ( also in perfect condition) and B&W 801( also in perfect condition), Series 3  monitors. Therefore, believe me when I say I HEAR BASS. I not only hear it, but I have a feel for it and most of us do! I really do comprehend good bass against bad distortion very very very well. In fact, the 680ZX and the Limited were compared side by side with a CR7-A in my den using the above amps and speakers and the consensus amongst the 2 listeners that night were that the 680ZX and ZXL Limited were better sounding decks with more "bass"... The date was July 4th,2009 and the listeners were myself and the individual whose mail I am responding to, who was my respected and honored guest that evening. I am sure we  both knew we were not listening to distortion that night! It was low frequency response! I may be a dud on engineering lingo ( in fact I know nothing about that), but I know sound when I hear it! Heck why would I be here and own all these Naks? to hear distortion? Naaah! Thanks for listening to me out. Ivan, enjoy your 680ZX. Respectfully, Ram --- On Thu, 7/15/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: 680ZX To: SIMP at nyc.rr.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 2:50 PM Finally I am seeing some sensible approach to more bass/less base  type of response to this chain of mails   Interesting to note that many do not know how the low frequency response really sounds. Lot of time the person hearing ( whatever they claim ) is the distortion of their system including possible quality of recording they get out of their so called 680 machines. When I calibrate most of these Naks including the legendary 1000ZXL limited - using accurate Voltmeter to measure and calibrate bias and level - you will not find many differences reported by all because such calibration makes it work as it should. Even 1000 ZXL is not accurate when it calibrates as well as CR 7A as the computer AD/DA needs calibration once in a while - many do not understand this - Of all CR 7A I received needed AD calibration and similarly 1000ZXL / 700 ZXL . Get a good Widebandwidth DMM and measure feeding frequencies like 20 Hz/40/100/200/400/1Kz/3Khz/6Khz/12khz/14Khz/18Khz  20 Khz - see for yourself how much your recorded tape deviates in playing, then you will know what your 680 or 682 is doing. forget whether 680 can go down to 12 Hz or 18 Hz - find a music that can even go down to 25 Hz. I find it amusing as many can not hear frequencies reportedly they are hearing! Kannan - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 16 02:01:57 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Some good bass source CDs to try on our Naks Message-ID: <389128.73702.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Naktalkers, I thought I should share some nice bass numbers with all of you'all that could give the 25Hz.( or below) frequencies : 1. Erikah Badu (Baduism) 2. Ray Brown- Super Bass, ( this one goes below 20Hz. for sure) 3. Patricia Barber( Companion,Modern Cool,Verse,Cafe Blue and Nightclub) all excellently low bass provokers......down sometimes in some tracks to under 15Hz.... 4. BB King Deuces Wild goes down to 20Hz. for sure. 5. Al Hirt ( Hello Dolly and Cotton Candy--1962) capable of great bass.. 6. East River Drive by Stanley Clarke 7. A.R. Rahman's various Tamil and Hindi( Indian) Albums have low frequency extensions that are in the 20 Hz.. range The above 3 in the list are albums many high end subwoofer dealers( REL and the like) make customers experience bass on their subs. these subs do produce frequencies down to about 5Hz. which one perhaps  can not hear but sure can feel. Enjoy your Naks with the above for a start friends. If you can contribute to the above list, great! Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sun Jul 18 17:41:28 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon Message-ID: <191925021.200508.1279467688599.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello All,              I had a question rgarding the nak CR7A.  There is one listed on Audiogon, that claims its better than Factory Spec. and at least 2x better in Specs than original Factory Specs.  The seller says that he has maintained the unit since new, and did all technical work....the electrical and transport are better than new, or mint. He says that he put in brand new rubber parts from ESL Labs, such as new idler tires, made of rubber, not the gear mods which he said do not make the deck perform as well, but are only a fix for maintenance purposes, since the gear wont wear as quickly as rubber.  But the rubber idler tires are actually better performance wise, and good for at least 10 years now.  He also rep[laced the capstan belt with a NOS ESL Labs capstan belt.  He compares its performance to his heavily modded Revox/Studer Reel to Reels machines that are 7.5 and 15 ips speeds, and 2 track stereo.  Does this sound possible?  Thanks, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 19:52:28 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon In-Reply-To: <191925021.200508.1279467688599.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <908768.84360.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One question you can ask him is " what measuring equipment he used to measure the technical specification of his CR7A?". Also how did he manage the calibration. Any nakcalibration  requires Gauges and specific nakamichi tapes ( costing a fortune).    Rubber idler may not change any specification dramatically if the dual capstans work as it should.   Naks can compete with some of the Reel to reel machines but not all due to large tape widths and available magnetic surface area for recording in RTR. Studer Revox ( some of the )studio machines running at 15 inches per second has much larger headroom and can record hot signals better than naks. However the cost of those machines also will be three to five times the cost of CR7A  ! Kannan --- On Sun, 7/18/10, rayr0683 at comcast.net wrote: From: rayr0683 at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 11:41 AM #yiv1181768046 p {margin:0;} Hello All,                I had a question rgarding the nak CR7A.  There is one listed on Audiogon, that claims its better than Factory Spec. and at least 2x better in Specs than original Factory Specs.  The seller says that he has maintained the unit since new, and did all technical work....the electrical and transport are better than new, or mint. He says that he put in brand new rubber parts from ESL Labs, such as new idler tires, made of rubber, not the gear mods which he said do not make the deck perform as well, but are only a fix for maintenance purposes, since the gear wont wear as quickly as rubber.  But the rubber idler tires are actually better performance wise, and good for at least 10 years now.  He also rep[laced the capstan belt with a NOS ESL Labs capstan belt.  He compares its performance to his heavily modded Revox/Studer Reel to Reels machines that are 7.5 and 15 ips speeds, and 2 track stereo.  Does this sound possible?  Thanks, Ray -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 21:43:30 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon In-Reply-To: <191925021.200508.1279467688599.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <191925021.200508.1279467688599.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <621333.13599.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello All, > I had a question rgarding the nak CR7A. There is one listed on Audiogon, that claims its better than Factory Spec. and at least 2x better > in Specs than original Factory Specs. I wonder how he supports these claims. Exactly what spec is 'At least 2x better' than original spec? Doe it mean that distortion is half and frequency response twice as wide? Sounds like BS claims used to sell magic potions. > The seller says that he has maintained the unit since new, and did all >technical work....the electrical > > and transport are better than new, or mint. Does this mean that the transport became better after years and years of use? Good luck to anyone that believes this. > He says that he put in brand new rubber parts from ESL Labs, such as new >idler tires, made of rubber, not the gear mods which he said do > > not make the deck perform as well, but are only a fix for maintenance >purposes, since the gear wont wear as quickly as rubber. > It's true the gear idler was put in to solve a maintenance problem. It's not true that 'the gear won't wear as quickly as rubber' -- the truth is, it normally won't wear at all. OTOH, be happy if the rubber idler lasts two or three years (less if do a lot of searches). 'The rubber tire will last for 10 years' is a lie (unless the deck is not used at all). Bottom line: a gear idler is much preferable to a rubber idler. > .... But the rubber idler tires are actually better performance wise, and good >for at least 10 years now. > The claim that rubber idlers offer better performance is not new (it's often used by people selling decks with rubber idlers) and is completely false. > He also rep[laced the capstan belt with a NOS ESL Labs capstan belt. He >compares its performance to > > his heavily modded Revox/Studer Reel to Reels machines that are 7.5 and 15 ips >speeds, and 2 track stereo. > Does this sound possible? Thanks, Ray Possible, but unlikely. The CR7 is good, may be even close, to a r-t-r deck, but hardly 'comparable'. (I used to own a ReVox G36 and I own a CR-7 now.) Personally, I wouldn't put much trust in this seller. His sales pitch is generally exaggerated and occasionally deceitful. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 23:07:15 2010 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon In-Reply-To: <621333.13599.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <905119.17755.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> "Exactly what spec is 'At least 2x better' than original spec? Dose it mean that distortion is half and frequency response twice as wide?" ====================================================== so, hi freqs go out to ~40k+ ? that's pretty impressive. my dog would love it. --- On Sun, 7/18/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 12:43 PM Hello All,   > I had a question rgarding the nak CR7A.  There is one listed on Audiogon, that claims its better than Factory Spec. and at least 2x better > in Specs than original Factory Specs.  I wonder how he supports these claims. Exactly what spec is 'At least 2x better' than original spec? Doe it mean that distortion is half and frequency response twice as wide? Sounds like BS claims used to sell magic potions. > The seller says that he has maintained the unit since new, and did all technical work....the electrical > and transport are better than new, or mint. Does this mean that the transport became better after years and years of use? Good luck to anyone that believes this. > He says that he put in brand new rubber parts from ESL Labs, such as new idler tires, made of rubber, not the gear mods which he said do > not make the deck perform as well, but are only a fix for maintenance purposes, since the gear wont wear as quickly as rubber. It's true the gear idler was put in to solve a maintenance problem. It's not true that 'the gear won't wear as quickly as rubber' -- the truth is, it normally won't wear at all. OTOH, be happy if the rubber idler lasts two or three years (less if do a lot of searches). 'The rubber tire will last for 10 years' is a lie (unless the deck is not used at all). Bottom line: a gear idler is much preferable to a rubber idler. > .... But the rubber idler tires are actually better performance wise, and good for at least 10 years now. The claim that rubber idlers offer better performance is not new (it's often used by people selling decks with rubber idlers) and is completely false. > He also rep[laced the capstan belt with a NOS ESL Labs capstan belt.  He compares its performance to > his heavily modded Revox/Studer Reel to Reels machines that are 7.5 and 15 ips speeds, and 2 track stereo. >  Does this sound possible?  Thanks, Ray Possible, but unlikely. The CR7 is good, may be even close, to a r-t-r deck, but hardly 'comparable'. (I used to own a ReVox G36 and I own a CR-7 now.) Personally, I wouldn't put much trust in this seller. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 02:34:07 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:34:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon In-Reply-To: <191925021.200508.1279467688599.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <191925021.200508.1279467688599.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: It is possible. It is also highly improbable. People usually exaggerate the condition of the machine they're selling, a common marketing tactic called "puffery." Here are the specs that I think count. Other specs matter. They're just not as important. (1) Wow-and-flutter. (2) Absolute speed accuracy. (3) Distortion through the record-play process on LF, MF and HF test signals. (4) Dynamic headroom. (5) Linearity of compander in noise reduction system. (6) L vs. R channel phase coherence. These are all factors that can be heard by a trained audiophile ear. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:41 AM, wrote: > Hello All, > > > > I had a question rgarding the nak CR7A. There is one listed > on Audiogon, that claims its better than Factory Spec. and at least 2x > better in Specs than original Factory Specs. The seller says that he has > maintained the unit since new, and did all technical work....the electrical > and transport are better than new, or mint. He says that he put in brand new > rubber parts from ESL Labs, such as new idler tires, made of rubber, not the > gear mods which he said do not make the deck perform as well, but are only a > fix for maintenance purposes, since the gear wont wear as quickly as > rubber. But the rubber idler tires are actually better performance wise, > and good for at least 10 years now. He also rep[laced the capstan belt with > a NOS ESL Labs capstan belt. He compares its performance to his heavily > modded Revox/Studer Reel to Reels machines that are 7.5 and 15 ips speeds, > and 2 track stereo. Does this sound possible? Thanks, Ray > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Mon Jul 19 14:03:35 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon Specs..and Test Equip. Message-ID: <1419598900.228853.1279541015925.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello All,                      Thank You all for responses, and which questions to ask about the deck.  Here are the Specs....and test Equipment listed as being used on it....and also the part about being at least 2 Times better than an Original CR7A, and being better than a New One.    Thanks for the Help...Ray http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?misccass&1284140875&/Nakamichi-CR-7A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blkmacster at cox.net Mon Jul 19 15:02:35 2010 From: blkmacster at cox.net (CB) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:02:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon In-Reply-To: <201007191009.o6JA82uD008220@zxe.naks.com> References: <201007191009.o6JA82uD008220@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000c01cb2742$a85a0df0$f90e29d0$@net> I have a CR7 with the gear mod and to me it sounds much better than when I had the idler tire in it. The sound of the deck much smoother and more natural than it was before the gear mod. I would venture to say that the gear mod was done around 1996. I wouldn't buy the comparison to the Revox deck, unless the heavily modded Revox deck wasn't working correctly, then it would make sense. BTW, great points Ron M~ From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 16:08:13 2010 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon In-Reply-To: <621333.13599.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <825539.75130.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Good points Ron I agree. --- On Sun, 7/18/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 2:43 PM Hello All,   > I had a question rgarding the nak CR7A.  There is one listed on Audiogon, that claims its better than Factory Spec. and at least 2x better > in Specs than original Factory Specs.  I wonder how he supports these claims. Exactly what spec is 'At least 2x better' than original spec? Doe it mean that distortion is half and frequency response twice as wide? Sounds like BS claims used to sell magic potions. > The seller says that he has maintained the unit since new, and did all technical work....the electrical > and transport are better than new, or mint. Does this mean that the transport became better after years and years of use? Good luck to anyone that believes this. > He says that he put in brand new rubber parts from ESL Labs, such as new idler tires, made of rubber, not the gear mods which he said do > not make the deck perform as well, but are only a fix for maintenance purposes, since the gear wont wear as quickly as rubber. It's true the gear idler was put in to solve a maintenance problem. It's not true that 'the gear won't wear as quickly as rubber' -- the truth is, it normally won't wear at all. OTOH, be happy if the rubber idler lasts two or three years (less if do a lot of searches). 'The rubber tire will last for 10 years' is a lie (unless the deck is not used at all). Bottom line: a gear idler is much preferable to a rubber idler. > .... But the rubber idler tires are actually better performance wise, and good for at least 10 years now. The claim that rubber idlers offer better performance is not new (it's often used by people selling decks with rubber idlers) and is completely false. > He also rep[laced the capstan belt with a NOS ESL Labs capstan belt.  He compares its performance to > his heavily modded Revox/Studer Reel to Reels machines that are 7.5 and 15 ips speeds, and 2 track stereo. >  Does this sound possible?  Thanks, Ray Possible, but unlikely. The CR7 is good, may be even close, to a r-t-r deck, but hardly 'comparable'. (I used to own a ReVox G36 and I own a CR-7 now.) Personally, I wouldn't put much trust in this seller. 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URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Mon Jul 19 18:19:25 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <201007191017.o6JA82uE008220@zxe.naks.com> References: <201007191017.o6JA82uE008220@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <209964.19823.qm@web113718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Ray and all If you read the Audiogon ad from this CR-7 seller it states... "This particular CR-7A has been meticulously maintained and serviced by me since new – it is in nearly MINT electrical and operating condition and it actually performs and measures at least 2x better than original Nakamichi CR-7A spec in terms of frequency response flatness, THD, and SNR:". (This paragraph is a copy from the CR-7 ad on the Audiogon site). He goes on to compare various Nakamichi CR-7 specs with the ones that he's measured for himself on his deck. As an example, he typically measures his Frequency Response Flatness as + or - 0.8dB - where he lists the Nakamichi spec as + or - 2dB. So, yes, his machine is better than new spec. But they all are. I challenge anyone to find a CR-7 or other top Nakamichi model in good condition, that isn't better than the published Nakamichi spec in many areas, especially the sorts of spec that this seller is highlighting. This is because the Nakamichi specs were always very conservative. Don't forget also, that many specs (egTHD) are extremely tape sensitive. If you compare a spec measured on one tape, with a spec measured on another on a different tape deck, then on occasions, you are not comparing apples with apples. He sounds quite knowledgeable, and I don't doubt that his CR-7 is a good one that has been well looked after - but that's all - just a normal CR-7 in good condition. If the seller doesn't own all the Nakamichi alignment jigs (as mentioned by Kannan), then chances are that some aspects of this deck's performance will be out of spec - possibly as much as 2x out of spec :-) Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:41:28 +0000 (UTC) From: rayr0683 at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <191925021.200508.1279467688599.JavaMail.root at sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello All,             I had a question rgarding the nak CR7A. There is one listed on Audiogon, that claims its better than Factory Spec. and at least 2x better in Specs than original Factory Specs. The seller says that he has maintained the unit since new, and did all technical work....the electrical and transport are better than new, or mint. He says that he put in brand new rubber parts from ESL Labs, such as new idler tires, made of rubber, not the gear mods which he said do not make the deck perform as well, but are only a fix for maintenance purposes, since the gear wont wear as quickly as rubber. But the rubber idler tires are actually better performance wise, and good for at least 10 years now. He also rep[laced the capstan belt with a NOS ESL Labs capstan belt. He compares its performance to his heavily modded Revox/Studer Reel to Reels machines that are 7.5 and 15 ips speeds, and 2 track stereo. Does this sound possible? Thanks, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100718/1d28fcda/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bainrob at verizon.net Mon Jul 19 22:49:09 2010 From: bainrob at verizon.net (bainrob at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:49:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon Specs..and Test Equip. Message-ID: <1906058068.978252.1279572549765.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 00:27:39 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR 7 in Audiogon In-Reply-To: <209964.19823.qm@web113718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <654372.88873.qm@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, I agree with you 100%....... All the seller said was that the deck beats the frequency response "flatness"( not frequency response itself), THD and S/N ratio by double of what Nakamichi specified...he never mentioned the frequency response is double what Nak specified. So speculation that its frequency response is 40Khz( someone did mention that here) at the high end is sheer imagination! Like John says, Naks always exceed the stated specs by quite a margin.( I have Tom Brucker's  measurement of my 1000ZXL and also the original performance measurement on my Limited, both of which exceed stated specs by a long shot) The seller is quite believable in all statements  except the idler tire statement. Idler tires are more silent and that is all the advantage I see having owned both types of CR7s. Its a pain to keep replacing idler tire evey so often on the CR machines. I have no reason to believe he does not own gauges! He seems to be a cassette deck aficionado like me and many others here. I think we all ought to read judiciously before we begin condemnation of a seller we do not even know on a forum read by many folks. I am not that seller nor do I have anything to do with him/her or the Cr7 thats on sale in Audiogon. Ram. --- On Mon, 7/19/10, John Gipps wrote: From: John Gipps Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 11 To: rayr0683 at comcast.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 12:19 PM Hi Ray and all If you read the Audiogon ad from this CR-7 seller it states... "This particular CR-7A has been meticulously maintained and serviced by me since new – it is in nearly MINT electrical and operating condition and it actually performs and measures at least 2x better than original Nakamichi CR-7A spec in terms of frequency response flatness, THD, and SNR:". (This paragraph is a copy from the CR-7 ad on the Audiogon site). He goes on to compare various Nakamichi CR-7 specs with the ones that he's measured for himself on his deck. As an example, he typically measures his Frequency Response Flatness as + or - 0.8dB - where he lists the Nakamichi spec as + or - 2dB. So, yes, his machine is better than new spec. But they all are. I challenge anyone to find a CR-7 or other top Nakamichi model in good condition, that isn't better than the published Nakamichi spec in many areas, especially the sorts of spec that this seller is highlighting. This is because the Nakamichi specs were always very conservative. Don't forget also, that many specs (eg THD) are extremely tape sensitive. If you compare a spec measured on one tape, with a spec measured on another on a different tape deck, then on occasions, you are not comparing apples with apples. He sounds quite knowledgeable, and I don't doubt that his CR-7 is a good one that has been well looked after - but that's all - just a normal CR-7 in good condition. If the seller doesn't own all the Nakamichi alignment jigs (as mentioned by Kannan), then chances are that some aspects of this deck's performance will be out of spec - possibly as much as 2x out of spec :-) Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:41:28 +0000 (UTC) From: rayr0683 at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID:     <191925021.200508.1279467688599.JavaMail.root at sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello All,              I had a question rgarding the nak CR7A.  There is one listed on Audiogon, that claims its better than Factory Spec. and at least 2x better in Specs than original Factory Specs.  The seller says that he has maintained the unit since new, and did all technical work....the electrical and transport are better than new, or mint. He says that he put in brand new rubber parts from ESL Labs, such as new idler tires, made of rubber, not the gear mods which he said do not make the deck perform as well, but are only a fix for maintenance purposes, since the gear wont wear as quickly as rubber.  But the rubber idler tires are actually better performance wise, and good for at least 10 years now.  He also rep[laced the capstan belt with a NOS ESL Labs capstan belt.  He compares its performance to his heavily modded Revox/Studer Reel to Reels machines that are 7.5 and 15 ips speeds, and 2 track stereo.  Does this sound possible?  Thanks, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1906058068.978252.1279572549765.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1906058068.978252.1279572549765.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Does this only happen intermittently? If so you need a new spooling motor. If it's all the time there must be some other problem. Check the voltage at the spooling motor and make sure it's there when you put the deck into play. Willy On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:49 PM, wrote: > I have a cr3, cassette deck, the take up spindle gets stuck and the tape > hits the capstan resulting in the deck stopping. I run the deck without > tape and the take up spindle feels like it has enough torkue, any > suggestions-rob Ellicott city Maryland > > > Jul 19, 2010 07:44:50 AM, naktalk at naks.com wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > Thank You all for responses, and which questions to > ask about the deck. Here are the Specs....and test Equipment listed as > being used on it....and also the part about being at least 2 Times better > than an Original CR7A, and being better than a New One. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Jul 20 03:50:18 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <209964.19823.qm@web113718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20481.11431.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will not say that the seller does not own any Nak Alignment Gauge(s) but if I were the seller of that CR7 and after I have spent that much time and effort to try to assure the potential buyer(s) that my CR7 will outperform original Nak Spec. with all my care, I don't see why I won't let them know that the deck has been aligned and calibrated with Nak test tapes and gauges as well. This will never hurt at all.   Maybe someone can ask the seller about this.     With All Respect, Mike   --- On Mon, 7/19/10, John Gipps wrote: From: John Gipps Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 11 To: rayr0683 at comcast.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 11:19 AM Hi Ray and all If you read the Audiogon ad from this CR-7 seller it states... "This particular CR-7A has been meticulously maintained and serviced by me since new – it is in nearly MINT electrical and operating condition and it actually performs and measures at least 2x better than original Nakamichi CR-7A spec in terms of frequency response flatness, THD, and SNR:". (This paragraph is a copy from the CR-7 ad on the Audiogon site). He goes on to compare various Nakamichi CR-7 specs with the ones that he's measured for himself on his deck. As an example, he typically measures his Frequency Response Flatness as + or - 0.8dB - where he lists the Nakamichi spec as + or - 2dB. So, yes, his machine is better than new spec. But they all are. I challenge anyone to find a CR-7 or other top Nakamichi model in good condition, that isn't better than the published Nakamichi spec in many areas, especially the sorts of spec that this seller is highlighting. This is because the Nakamichi specs were always very conservative. Don't forget also, that many specs (eg THD) are extremely tape sensitive. If you compare a spec measured on one tape, with a spec measured on another on a different tape deck, then on occasions, you are not comparing apples with apples. He sounds quite knowledgeable, and I don't doubt that his CR-7 is a good one that has been well looked after - but that's all - just a normal CR-7 in good condition. If the seller doesn't own all the Nakamichi alignment jigs (as mentioned by Kannan), then chances are that some aspects of this deck's performance will be out of spec - possibly as much as 2x out of spec :-) Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:41:28 +0000 (UTC) From: rayr0683 at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID:     <191925021.200508.1279467688599.JavaMail.root at sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello All,              I had a question rgarding the nak CR7A.  There is one listed on Audiogon, that claims its better than Factory Spec. and at least 2x better in Specs than original Factory Specs.  The seller says that he has maintained the unit since new, and did all technical work....the electrical and transport are better than new, or mint. He says that he put in brand new rubber parts from ESL Labs, such as new idler tires, made of rubber, not the gear mods which he said do not make the deck perform as well, but are only a fix for maintenance purposes, since the gear wont wear as quickly as rubber.  But the rubber idler tires are actually better performance wise, and good for at least 10 years now.  He also rep[laced the capstan belt with a NOS ESL Labs capstan belt.  He compares its performance to his heavily modded Revox/Studer Reel to Reels machines that are 7.5 and 15 ips speeds, and 2 track stereo.  Does this sound possible?  Thanks, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1906058068.978252.1279572549765.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1906058068.978252.1279572549765.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <624423.36912.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's difficult to judge torque by feel. If the problem happens with all -- or many -- cassettes and tends to occur towards the end of cassettes, I would suspect the torque is too low. -- Ron ________________________________ From: "bainrob at verizon.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:49:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon Specs..and Test Equip. I have a cr3, cassette deck, the take up spindle gets stuck and the tape hits the capstan resulting in the deck stopping. I run the deck without tape and the take up spindle feels like it has enough torkue, any suggestions-rob Ellicott city Maryland Jul 19, 2010 07:44:50 AM, naktalk at naks.com wrote: >Hello All, > > Thank You all for responses, and which questions to ask >about the deck. Here are the Specs....and test Equipment listed as being used >on it....and also the part about being at least 2 Times better than an Original >CR7A, and being better than a New One. Thanks for the Help...Ray > >http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?misccass&1284140875&/Nakamichi-CR-7A >________________________________ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bainrob at verizon.net Tue Jul 20 03:04:56 2010 From: bainrob at verizon.net (bainrob at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:04:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon Specs..and Test Equip. Message-ID: <1108124.550020.1279587896833.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Jul 20 13:25:54 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 torque Message-ID: <260288173.336692.1279625154254.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Is the CR-3 an idler gear deck? I've found this common on idler gear decks (not a CR-7, never having owned one) and one of my reasons for preferring idler tires. If this has been brought up before, I apologize. The whole take up torque design, with a tire, is based on slip. The tire is allowed to slip with the brass pulley and the the reel table. Rare is the tape with constant back tension, so as the variations occur, something must slip. This, of course wears out the skinny tires of the Sankyo transports. Not an issue, at all, IMHO, as they are fast and easy to change. In the classic transports, wear was seldom an issue. The rubber hardened long before it wore, a design I always preferred. The later "gear modified" transports allow no slip. It forces the motor to absorb the punishment, by slowing down, heating up, or whatever is required to over come the friction and back tension changes. These sometimes abrupt forces can cause the motor to stall when the gears jam. The gears are sometims not perfectly round, and plastic gears DO wear, or collect debris, and I personally played with ones that were definitly jammed, for no apparent reason. I've noted this on the Cassette deck series of a few decks. Is the motor weak? No, but it will lack the required torque to ride through some of these instances, that a tire would slip right on by. I've had to increase the voltage to some reel motors to 4.4V in order to overcome this issue. If the CR-3 is tire driven, then I'd suggest a hardened/worn idler tire which gives too much slip. An easy $10 fix. My $0.02. Perry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bainrob at verizon.net Tue Jul 20 18:01:03 2010 From: bainrob at verizon.net (bainrob at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:01:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 torque Message-ID: <1401893501.701508.1279641663185.JavaMail.root@vms232.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bainrob at verizon.net Tue Jul 20 18:01:56 2010 From: bainrob at verizon.net (bainrob at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:01:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon Specs..and Test Equip. Message-ID: <862767601.701544.1279641716258.JavaMail.root@vms232.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Jul 20 22:51:00 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:51:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 torque In-Reply-To: <260288173.336692.1279625154254.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <260288173.336692.1279625154254.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I believe Perry is wrong about the theory of operation of the take up tension idler tire. If the tire is new and the whole system working properly, there should not be any slipping between tire and motor pulley or reel hub. The motor was intended to work just like it does with the gear system and the motor is perfectly capable of putting up with the tensioning nature of its play mode. I have found that the only punishment the motor really can't take is sitting unused for long periods of time. The armature begins to oxidize and foul causing the problems we are all now familiar with. I do agree that I prefer the tire to the gear both from noise in wind modes and in being more tolerant of debris in the transport. Willy On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:25 AM, wrote: > Is the CR-3 an idler gear deck? I've found this common on idler gear decks > (not a CR-7, never having owned one) and one of my reasons for preferring > idler tires. If this has been brought up before, I apologize. The whole take > up torque design, with a tire, is based on slip. The tire is allowed to > slip with the brass pulley and the the reel table. Rare is the tape with > constant back tension, so as the variations occur, something must slip. > This, of course wears out the skinny tires of the Sankyo transports. Not an > issue, at all, IMHO, as they are fast and easy to change. In the classic > transports, wear was seldom an issue. The rubber hardened long before it > wore, a design I always preferred. The later "gear modified" transports > allow no slip. It forces the motor to absorb the punishment, by slowing > down, heating up, or whatever is required to over come the friction and back > tension changes. These sometimes abrupt forces can cause the motor to stall > when the gears jam. The gears are sometims not perfectly round, and plastic > gears DO wear, or collect debris, and I personally played with ones that > were definitly jammed, for no apparent reason. I've noted this on the > Cassette deck series of a few decks. Is the motor weak? No, but it will lack > the required torque to ride through some of these instances, that a tire > would slip right on by. I've had to increase the voltage to some reel > motors to 4.4V in order to overcome this issue. If the CR-3 is tire driven, > then I'd suggest a hardened/worn idler tire which gives too much slip. An > easy $10 fix. My $0.02. > Perry > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 00:41:27 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 torque In-Reply-To: <260288173.336692.1279625154254.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <789137.41545.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > I've found this common on idler gear decks Not true! the problem reported by the OP is common in rubber idler decks and extremely rare in gear idler decks. > The whole take up torque design, with a tire, is based on slip.  The tire is allowed to slip This is a common misconception and is false. The idler is NOT supposed to slip against the brass pulley, ever. The problem with the rubber idler in the Sankyo transports was that it does begin to slip after a while, due to its small size. Once it starts to slip, it self destructs very quickly and must be replaced. This was a design fault and the whole reason for the introduction of the gear idler. -- Ron --- On Tue, 7/20/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 torque To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 7:25 AM #yiv1905829830 p {margin:0;}Is the CR-3 an idler gear deck? I've found this common on idler gear decks (not a CR-7, never having owned one) and one of my reasons for preferring idler tires. If this has been brought up before, I apologize. The whole take up torque design, with a tire, is based on slip.  The tire is allowed to slip with the brass pulley and the the reel table. Rare is the tape with constant back tension, so as the variations occur, something must slip. This, of course wears out the skinny tires of the Sankyo transports.  Not an issue, at all, IMHO, as they are fast and easy to change. In the classic transports, wear was seldom an issue.  The rubber hardened long before it wore, a design I always preferred. The later "gear modified" transports allow no slip. It forces the motor to absorb the punishment, by slowing down, heating up, or whatever is required to over come the friction and back tension changes. These sometimes abrupt forces can cause the motor to stall when the gears jam. The gears are sometims not perfectly round, and plastic gears DO wear, or collect debris, and I personally played with ones that were definitly jammed, for no apparent reason.  I've noted this on the Cassette deck series of a few decks. Is the motor weak? No, but it will lack the required torque to ride through some of these instances, that a tire would slip right on by.  I've had to increase the voltage to some reel motors to 4.4V in order to overcome this issue. If the CR-3 is tire driven, then I'd suggest a hardened/worn idler tire which gives too much slip. An easy $10 fix. 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URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Jul 21 18:01:54 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:01:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 torque In-Reply-To: <201007211009.o6LA86YT020648@zxe.naks.com> References: <201007211009.o6LA86YT020648@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1372695224-1279728142-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-546541773-@bda950.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Willy and Ron have more experience than I, regarding idler tires, but perhaps it was my wording. I did not mean to imply that idler tires slip all the time in order to operate . That would be silly. During normal operation the motor has to slow or speed up to match reel rpm. What I was referring to, and have observed many times, are the transient changes, which will momentarily slow the tire, where it will lift slightly and slip will occur while that transient passes. This is not poor design or worn anything, it is just the way it works. The problem is how much or how easily it slips. Granted, I've only worked on 25 or so decks, but I've not seen classic or Sankyo transport with tires where during normal tape play the motor just stops at a transient. But I've seen it a few times on gear driven decks. This is different from the normal dead spot due to oxidation or carbon where the motor will not start from stopped. So I have to politely disagree with Ron that an idler tire should never slip. That is just not the case, even with new rubber. Any time you FF or Rew a tape on a gear driven deck you can easily hear the abrupt shock at the end of tape, and may even had a tape snap, that is not there on the tire decks. Perry Esposito - From my phone -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:09:49 To: Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 13 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. CR-3 torque (perry.nak at comcast.net) 2. Re: CR-3 torque (bainrob at verizon.net) 3. Re: Re: Re: [naktalk] CR7A on Audiogon Specs..and Test Equip. (bainrob at verizon.net) 4. Re: CR-3 torque (Willy Hermann) 5. Re: CR-3 torque (Ron) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:25:54 +0000 (UTC) From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 torque To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <260288173.336692.1279625154254.JavaMail.root at sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Is the CR-3 an idler gear deck? I've found this common on idler gear decks (not a CR-7, never having owned one) and one of my reasons for preferring idler tires. If this has been brought up before, I apologize. The whole take up torque design, with a tire, is based on slip. The tire is allowed to slip with the brass pulley and the the reel table. Rare is the tape with constant back tension, so as the variations occur, something must slip. This, of course wears out the skinny tires of the Sankyo transports. Not an issue, at all, IMHO, as they are fast and easy to change. In the classic transports, wear was seldom an issue. The rubber hardened long before it wore, a design I always preferred. The later "gear modified" transports allow no slip. It forces the motor to absorb the punishment, by slowing down, heating up, or whatever is required to over come the friction and back tension changes. These sometimes abrupt forces can cause the motor to stall when the gears jam. The gea! rs are sometims not perfectly round, and plastic gears DO wear, or collect debris, and I personally played with ones that were definitly jammed, for no apparent reason. I've noted this on the Cassette deck series of a few decks. Is the motor weak? No, but it will lack the required torque to ride through some of these instances, that a tire would slip right on by. I've had to increase the voltage to some reel motors to 4.4V in order to overcome this issue. If the CR-3 is tire driven, then I'd suggest a hardened/worn idler tire which gives too much slip. An easy $10 fix. My $0.02. 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100720/97fff6bf/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:51:00 -0800 From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 torque To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I believe Perry is wrong about the theory of operation of the take up tension idler tire. If the tire is new and the whole system working properly, there should not be any slipping between tire and motor pulley or reel hub. The motor was intended to work just like it does with the gear system and the motor is perfectly capable of putting up with the tensioning nature of its play mode. I have found that the only punishment the motor really can't take is sitting unused for long periods of time. The armature begins to oxidize and foul causing the problems we are all now familiar with. I do agree that I prefer the tire to the gear both from noise in wind modes and in being more tolerant of debris in the transport. Willy On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:25 AM, wrote: > Is the CR-3 an idler gear deck? I've found this common on idler gear decks > (not a CR-7, never having owned one) and one of my reasons for preferring > idler tires. If this has been brought up before, I apologize. The whole take > up torque design, with a tire, is based on slip. The tire is allowed to > slip with the brass pulley and the the reel table. Rare is the tape with > constant back tension, so as the variations occur, something must slip. > This, of course wears out the skinny tires of the Sankyo transports. Not an > issue, at all, IMHO, as they are fast and easy to change. In the classic > transports, wear was seldom an issue. The rubber hardened long before it > wore, a design I always preferred. The later "gear modified" transports > allow no slip. It forces the motor to absorb the punishment, by slowing > down, heating up, or whatever is required to over come the friction and back > tension changes. These sometimes abrupt forces can cause the motor to stall > when the gears jam. The gears are sometims not perfectly round, and plastic > gears DO wear, or collect debris, and I personally played with ones that > were definitly jammed, for no apparent reason. I've noted this on the > Cassette deck series of a few decks. Is the motor weak? No, but it will lack > the required torque to ride through some of these instances, that a tire > would slip right on by. I've had to increase the voltage to some reel > motors to 4.4V in order to overcome this issue. If the CR-3 is tire driven, > then I'd suggest a hardened/worn idler tire which gives too much slip. An > easy $10 fix. My $0.02. > Perry > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100720/0b6f02dc/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:41:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 torque To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <789137.41545.qm at web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > I've found this common on idler gear decks Not true! the problem reported by the OP is common in rubber idler decks and extremely rare in gear idler decks. > The whole take up torque design, with a tire, is based on slip.  The tire is allowed to slip This is a common misconception and is false. The idler is NOT supposed to slip against the brass pulley, ever. The problem with the rubber idler in the Sankyo transports was that it does begin to slip after a while, due to its small size. Once it starts to slip, it self destructs very quickly and must be replaced. This was a design fault and the whole reason for the introduction of the gear idler. -- Ron --- On Tue, 7/20/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 torque To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 7:25 AM #yiv1905829830 p {margin:0;}Is the CR-3 an idler gear deck? I've found this common on idler gear decks (not a CR-7, never having owned one) and one of my reasons for preferring idler tires. If this has been brought up before, I apologize. The whole take up torque design, with a tire, is based on slip.  The tire is allowed to slip with the brass pulley and the the reel table. Rare is the tape with constant back tension, so as the variations occur, something must slip. This, of course wears out the skinny tires of the Sankyo transports.  Not an issue, at all, IMHO, as they are fast and easy to change. In the classic transports, wear was seldom an issue.  The rubber hardened long before it wore, a design I always preferred. The later "gear modified" transports allow no slip. It forces the motor to absorb the punishment, by slowing down, heating up, or whatever is required to over come the friction and back tension changes. These sometimes abrupt forces can cause the motor to stall when the gears jam. The gears are sometims not perfectly round, and plastic gears DO wear, or collect debris, and I personally played with ones that were definitly jammed, for no apparent reason.  I've noted this on the Cassette deck series of a few decks. Is the motor weak? No, but it will lack the required torque to ride through some of these instances, that a tire would slip right on by.  I've had to increase the voltage to some reel motors to 4.4V in order to overcome this issue. If the CR-3 is tire driven, then I'd suggest a hardened/worn idler tire which gives too much slip. An easy $10 fix. 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Have a good summer break Bernard From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Jul 26 17:20:45 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:20:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] In need of a RX-505 dolby switch In-Reply-To: <4C4D5F1D.40906@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <4C4D5F1D.40906@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Hi Bernard - Good luck finding that switch!! Check out the "hints and tips" section of my web site (willyhs.com) for the repair procedure for your problem. Best of luck Willy On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:10 AM, boitrel wrote: > Hi everyone > > I would need a RX-505E dolby swith because mine does not remained locked. > > Would someone have a spare one (part n° 0B70015A)? > > Have a good summer break > > Bernard > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kulak at ozemail.com.au Tue Jul 27 00:30:45 2010 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:30:45 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] In need of a RX-505 dolby switch In-Reply-To: <4C4D5F1D.40906@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <4C4D5F1D.40906@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Bernard, If you don't find, Willy has posted a fix that works well, it was used on my RX505 after we could not find a switch. Well worth trying. http://www.vintagecassette.com/naksarticle.jsp?article=89278 Apparently this is reasonably common complaint. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "boitrel" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] In need of a RX-505 dolby switch > Hi everyone > > I would need a RX-505E dolby swith because mine does not remained locked. > > Would someone have a spare one (part n° 0B70015A)? > > Have a good summer break > > Bernard > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Tue Jul 27 10:16:26 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:16:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] In need of a RX-505 dolby switch In-Reply-To: References: <4C4D5F1D.40906@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <4C4E95DA.1020609@univ-rennes1.fr> Dear Willy & Steve, Many thanks for your prompted answer and for the links. That seems a very, very good trick! I cannot not realize how difficult it is but I will let you when I 'm done. Willy: what does mean DPDT versus FourPDT ? (sorry for my "lacunar" English) Cheers Bernard Willy Hermann a écrit : > Hi Bernard - > > Good luck finding that switch!! Check out the "hints and tips" > section of my web site (willyhs.com ) for the > repair procedure for your problem. > > Best of luck > Willy > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:10 AM, boitrel > > wrote: > > Hi everyone > > I would need a RX-505E dolby swith because mine does not remained > locked. > > Would someone have a spare one (part n° 0B70015A)? > > Have a good summer break > > Bernard > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Jul 27 17:42:19 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:42:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] In need of a RX-505 dolby switch In-Reply-To: <4C4E95DA.1020609@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <4C4D5F1D.40906@univ-rennes1.fr> <4C4E95DA.1020609@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: DPDT = double pole double throw the other is four pole double throw. That means that when you push the button you're activating either two or four switches simultaneously. Willy On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:16 AM, boitrel wrote: > Dear Willy & Steve, > > Many thanks for your prompted answer and for the links. > > That seems a very, very good trick! I cannot not realize how difficult it > is but I will let you when I 'm done. > > Willy: what does mean DPDT versus FourPDT ? (sorry for my "lacunar" > English) > > Cheers > Bernard > > Willy Hermann a écrit : > >> Hi Bernard - >> >> Good luck finding that switch!! Check out the "hints and tips" section of >> my web site (willyhs.com ) for the repair procedure >> for your problem. >> >> Best of luck >> Willy >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:10 AM, boitrel > bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone >> >> I would need a RX-505E dolby swith because mine does not remained >> locked. >> >> Would someone have a spare one (part n° 0B70015A)? >> >> Have a good summer break >> >> Bernard >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My be you find a better looking way to fix any problem. regards Am 29.07.2010 um 00:51 schrieb Steve Kulak: > Dear All > > I have a Nakamichi Dragon with a Modification on the Dolby > board ( under the Main Board ) ## SEE attached photos . > > > The circuit ( 2 x BC550 + resistors ) is soldered to the > T2 Meter Cal level section of the board and has 2 red wires > going up to the > > front panel Tape /Source Switch . > > > Has any one seen this Modification on a Dragon before and > know what the Mod is or its function ? > > > > Note the Dragon S/N is an early model > > > See attached Photos > > > > Thanks > > > Paul > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 14:14:57 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon oditty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <561493.86601.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Any Dragon having serial numbers below 4000 will have large number of factory added components  - Looked to me that large part of Dragon circuit before 4000 were last minute changes on the prototype based on the issues Nak designers faced while testing after build. Even the circuit board may not have all the components which is normal. I avoid those serial number Dragons because the actual build is far from the schematics you see on Dragon service manual- so difficult to trouble shoot You may have to study and and understand them individually( each f these changes) - Even Wouter' dragon has some sort of adjustment ( more than what schematics show) for 15 Khz Phase adjust part exactly similar to this! most of these machines need Orange Caps completely replaced as they are the main culprits along with other caps wish you good luck in servicing them Kannan --- On Wed, 7/28/10, Steve Kulak wrote: --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Gerhard Wartha wrote: From: Gerhard Wartha Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon oditty To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 7:34 AM Hi, Put it out on one side, after this check  your Dragon again. If it is not working 100% , you know what for this Modification was. If the Dragon is working, leave it without this parts. My be you find a better looking way to fix any  problem. regards Am 29.07.2010 um 00:51 schrieb Steve Kulak: Dear All   I have a Nakamichi Dragon  with  a  Modification  on the  Dolby  board ( under the Main Board ) ##   SEE attached photos .    The circuit  (  2 x  BC550   + resistors )  is soldered  to the  T2 Meter Cal   level  section of the board and has 2 red wires going up to the  front  panel  Tape /Source Switch .      Has any one  seen  this  Modification  on a Dragon before  and know  what  the Mod  is or its function   ?     Note  the    Dragon  S/N   is  an  early model      See attached Photos        Thanks   Paul   ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Thu Jul 29 15:48:06 2010 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:48:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon oditty In-Reply-To: <115842.95340.qm@web114604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <115842.95340.qm@web114604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3436.145.44.29.96.1280411286.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi, you mentioned 2 x BC550. These are transistors usual used in europe and not in japan. So i think it's no modification from the factory. Regards Norman Op Do, 29 juli, 2010 12:51 am schreef Steve Kulak: > Dear All >   > I have a Nakamichi Dragon  with  a  Modification  on the  Dolby  board ( > under the Main Board ) ##   SEE attached photos .   >  The circuit  (  2 x  BC550   + resistors )  is soldered  to the  T2 Meter > Cal >   level  section of the board and has 2 red wires going up to the > > >  front  panel  Tape /Source Switch .    >   > Has any one  seen  this  Modification  on a Dragon before  and know  what  > the Mod  is or its function   ? >   >   > Note  the   Dragon  S/N   is  an  early model    >   > See attached Photos    >   >   > Thanks >   > Paul > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jul 30 15:52:05 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon oditty In-Reply-To: <3436.145.44.29.96.1280411286.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: <518778.29310.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My thought, too. If it were me (and if I was really curious), I would draw the schematic of the mod on paper (shouldn't be too hard, the mod for each channel is just a transistor and some resistors). I would then view it with the schematic of the meter circuit from the Dragon manual, to see what it does. -- Ron --- On Thu, 7/29/10, N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote: From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon oditty To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 9:48 AM Hi, you mentioned 2 x BC550. These are transistors usual used in europe and not in japan. So i think it's no modification from the factory. Regards Norman Op Do, 29 juli, 2010 12:51 am schreef Steve Kulak: > Dear All >   > I have a Nakamichi Dragon  with  a  Modification  on the  Dolby  board ( > under the Main Board ) ##   SEE attached photos .   >  The circuit  (  2 x  BC550   + resistors )  is soldered  to the  T2 Meter > Cal >   level  section of the board and has 2 red wires going up to the > > >  front  panel  Tape /Source Switch .    >   > Has any one  seen  this  Modification  on a Dragon before  and know  what  > the Mod  is or its function   ? >   >   > Note  the   Dragon  S/N   is  an  early model    >   > See attached Photos    >   >   > Thanks >   > Paul > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Jul 31 18:49:26 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 09:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi BX-125 cassette deck. Message-ID: <849092.38675.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> For sale: Nakamichi BX-125 cassette deck. This is one of Nak's better vintage two head decks, with many features: Play and REC timer support, memory stop, auto repeat, master fader, Dolby B and C. This deck was manufactured in 4th quarter of 1986.I went over it not too long ago: new idler tire and capstan belt, adjusted speed and azimuth. It works well and sounds good. Mechanical condition is very good, with clean capstans, good pinch rollers and no visible head wear at all Cosmetically, there is evidence of usage -- most notably, scuff marks on the fader push button plus some wear on the top. There are no obvious scratches and no dents at all. Bottom line: this is an excellent choice for someone that wants to record and listen to music, but not necessarily for the finicky collector. Asking $60 plus actual shipping (or pick up in the Boston Metro west area, ZIP 01702) Includes copies of both the user's and service manuals. I'll be happy to email pictures -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2010\2010-June.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From cap_sul at hotmail.com Tue Jun 1 07:01:44 2010 From: cap_sul at hotmail.com (Paul M) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 22:01:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FW: ZX7 eq switch problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: Cap_sul at telus.net To: cap_sul at hotmail.com Subject:ZX7 eq switch problem? Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 21:52:10 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul M To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:41 PM Subject: ZX7 eq switch problem? Hello, Just a little background first, I have a ZX7 that was damaged during shipping. Of course, the parcel looked fine, but as I opened it I could see the cassette door was caved in. Upon further inspection, I found that both left transport studs were broken, the main pcb has a crack on the rear-right corner across R909 and R397, and the azimuth cable had detached, in a bad way, from the azimuth control module. I cannot tell you how disappointed I was! I figured it was a write off. After waiting several months for the damage claim to go through, and still no resolution, I acquired the service manual, and decided to try to fix it. I managed to do the "binding post fix", reattach the azimuth and "bridge" the cracked pcb. It was quite a challenge for me, I am NOT a Nakamichi expert by any means, about only I can handle is a soldering iron. Sorry for the long intro, but I felt it would be helpful. The deck is working well now, it plays, rewinds and does almost everything it should. I have tested a metal tape, did the whole calibration procedure successfully, and the recording sounds amazing. The problem is with type ll tape, I can get the azimuth adjusted just fine, but when I try to adjust levels with the 400Hz tone the left channel at max level is about 2dB shy of the cal mark. It is much worse with the 15000Hz tone, it tops out at -20 dB, making the recording rather dull. I have noticed that the indicator lights don't come on for ex or sx at all, but with enough fiddling with the switches the zx indicator will light up occasionally. When operating the switches they don't always give the "solid click" sound if you know what I mean. I'm thinking of taking it apart again, I just would like some advice about what to look for, what to do, and maybe more importantly what NOT to do! It sure is a shame, the deck appears to be in great condition if you overlook the damages. Thank you, Paul _________________________________________________________________ MSN Dating: Find someone special. Start now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729707 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TKirchner at comcast.net Tue Jun 1 15:33:24 2010 From: TKirchner at comcast.net (TKirchner at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 13:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] FW: ZX7 eq switch problem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <591850252.3334121275399204701.JavaMail.root@sz0174a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Paul, I have no tech experience. My best advice is to communicate with Willy Hermann at Willy Hermann Service (.com). I am sure he will know. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul M" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:01:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [naktalk] FW: ZX7 eq switch problem? From: Cap_sul at telus.net To: cap_sul at hotmail.com Subject:ZX7 eq switch problem? Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 21:52:10 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul M To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:41 PM Subject: ZX7 eq switch problem? Hello, Just a little background first, I have a ZX7 that was damaged during shipping. Of course, the parcel looked fine, but as I opened it I could see the cassette door was caved in. Upon further inspection, I found that both left transport studs were broken, the main pcb has a crack on the rear-right corner across R909 and R397, and the azimuth cable had detached, in a bad way, from the azimuth control module. I cannot tell you how disappointed I was! I figured it was a write off. After waiting several months for the damage claim to go through, and still no resolution, I acquired the service manual, and decided to try to fix it. I managed to do the "binding post fix", reattach the azimuth and "bridge" the cracked pcb. It was quite a challenge for me, I am NOT a Nakamichi expert by any means, about only I can handle is a soldering iron. Sorry for the long intro, but I felt it would be helpful. The deck is working well now, it plays, rewinds and does almost everything it should. I have tested a metal tape, did the whole calibration procedure successfully, and the recording sounds amazing. The problem is with type ll tape, I can get the azimuth adjusted just fine, but when I try to adjust levels with the 400Hz tone the left channel at max level is about 2dB shy of the cal mark. It is much worse with the 15000Hz tone, it tops out at -20 dB, making the recording rather dull. I have noticed that the indicator lights don't come on for ex or sx at all, but with enough fiddling with the switches the zx indicator will light up occasionally. When operating the switches they don't always give the "solid click" sound if you know what I mean. I'm thinking of taking it apart again, I just would like some advice about what to look for, what to do, and maybe more importantly what NOT to do! It sure is a shame, the deck appears to be in great condition if you overlook the damages. Thank you, Paul MSN Dating: Find someone special. Start now. Start now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chartz at club-internet.fr Tue Jun 1 18:03:29 2010 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 18:03:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] cr-4 Message-ID: <74C202D9-47CD-451A-8872-80072DB7B162@club-internet.fr> Hello, Can anyone please confirm me that the capstan motor turns as soon as power is turned on or is it an anomaly on mine? The transport is that of the CR7 (with gears instead of tyre), so it is direct-driven. Thanks, (Meuh...) ----------- O O ^__^ o (oo)_______ (__) )\/\ ||----w | || || Jacques jacques.frantz at chartz.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Tue Jun 1 20:36:41 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-4 In-Reply-To: <74C202D9-47CD-451A-8872-80072DB7B162@club-internet.fr> References: <74C202D9-47CD-451A-8872-80072DB7B162@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: <288335.87812.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Yes, the capstan is supposed to do that to enable the tape to get up to speed immediately. Jayson  ________________________________ From: Jacques Frantz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 12:03:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] cr-4 Hello, Can anyone please confirm me that the capstan motor turns as soon as power is turned on or is it an anomaly on mine? The transport is that of the CR7 (with gears instead of tyre), so it is direct-driven. Thanks,    (Meuh...)   -----------         O          O   ^__^          o  (oo)_______             (__)       )\/\                 ||----w |                 ||     || Jacques jacques.frantz at chartz.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chartz at club-internet.fr Tue Jun 1 22:25:24 2010 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:25:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] cr-4 In-Reply-To: <288335.87812.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <74C202D9-47CD-451A-8872-80072DB7B162@club-internet.fr> <288335.87812.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E51B1D3-FEE3-4770-9F85-54A29B9F08DB@club-internet.fr> Okay, thanks Jayson for confirming that the capstans always run. By the way, I think the gears are less elegant than the tyre on my BX-125 because it makes the deck run less silently... Jacques Frantz jacques at chartz.fr (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") From dougg at mmsav.com Wed Jun 2 14:05:23 2010 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:05:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Capstan Motor In-Reply-To: <201006021002.o52A04Pj027993@zxe.naks.com> References: <201006021002.o52A04Pj027993@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D15ACB71@mail.mmsav.com> Yes, it runs whenever the deck is powered up. At the HiFi store that I worked at we called it the "Premature Motor Death" feature. We reminded customers to power down the unit when they were not actually using it. Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 15:57:57 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Capstan Motor In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D15ACB71@mail.mmsav.com> References: <201006021002.o52A04Pj027993@zxe.naks.com> <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D15ACB71@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <152931.39325.qm@web55101.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Doug. Simple question.  Why would anyone keep the power on when it is not being used?  Besides the possibility of premature motor wear, you also shorten the life of all display lights.  After all, a tape deck does not have to stay powered up at all times like certain preamps or power amps that stay on in stand-by mode (but not full power) constantly.  Jayson ________________________________ From: Doug Guth To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:05:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Capstan Motor Yes, it runs whenever the deck is powered up.  At the HiFi store that I worked at we called it the "Premature Motor Death" feature. We reminded customers to power down the unit when they were not actually using it. Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC,  29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to         naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit         http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to         naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at         naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 19:17:12 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:17:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Capstan Motor In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D15ACB71@mail.mmsav.com> References: <201006021002.o52A04Pj027993@zxe.naks.com> <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D15ACB71@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: In a few cases, I have installed an additional switch on a set to extend the motor's life. Back around 1980, there used to be a format called the "casseiver." This was a standard stereo receiver with a cassette deck built in. On many of them (e.g. Kenwood, Pioneer), the cassette motor ran all the time when the set was on, even when the radio or phono inputs were being used, and even when there was no cassette in the compartment. In a word: stupid design. You might consider installing a switch on the CR-4, if you don't need the set to absolutely "stock". Just put a simple toggle switch in series with the positive (+12vdc) lead going to the capstan motor. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Doug Guth wrote: > Yes, it runs whenever the deck is powered up. At the HiFi store that I > worked at we called it the "Premature Motor Death" feature. > We reminded customers to power down the unit when they were not actually > using it. > > Doug Guth > BSBE, CTS > Field Service Engineer > Multi Media Services > 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. > Greenville, SC, 29607 > (864) 297-8533 > dougg at mmsav.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:03 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chartz at club-internet.fr Wed Jun 2 16:52:12 2010 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:52:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Capstan Motor In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D15ACB71@mail.mmsav.com> References: <201006021002.o52A04Pj027993@zxe.naks.com> <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D15ACB71@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <781ED435-65EB-4C3E-B23B-6CAF65883083@club-internet.fr> Yes, it runs whenever the deck is powered up. At the HiFi store that I worked at we called it the "Premature Motor Death" feature. We reminded customers to power down the unit when they were not actually using it. Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com Thanks for the info. Do you have any idea why once I get past the first half of ANY tape, the CR-4 slows down noticeably and the music wobbles? Premature Death? 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URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Wed Jun 2 22:28:37 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:28:37 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 parts In-Reply-To: <201006021007.o52A04Pk027993@zxe.naks.com> References: <201006021007.o52A04Pk027993@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <50bc72363cc0f1c4d5bdebc2dd309661.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Hi all, By perchance would anyone have an upper door ( for over the pitch & azimuth controls) for a 1000, amongst their spares pile that they are willing to part with?? I would like to beg or buy one for a 1000 I have on the workbench at the moment. Condition is not so important as I can repair any chips and cracks, as long as the mounting frame is relatively OK. Please contact me off list if you can help. cheers, Martin From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 3 00:17:49 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL User Manual In-Reply-To: <002401cb027f$e624baa0$b26e2fe0$@morgan@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <846991.23204.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Check ebaman.com or the naks.com wikipage at www.naks.com/wiki good luck. Ram --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Paul Morgan wrote: From: Paul Morgan Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL User Manual To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 2:17 PM Does anyone know where I can get a Nakamichi 1000ZXL user manual in PDF format.  Have tried on the web, but they are all poor quality and hard to read.  Even purchased one from ebay but that too was a poor photocopy with part of the text missing from each page - not worth the USD7.00 paid!  Cannot seem to find one anywhere.  Thanks, Paul -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Wed Jun 2 23:30:12 2010 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:30:12 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL User Manual In-Reply-To: <002401cb027f$e624baa0$b26e2fe0$%morgan@bluewin.ch> References: <002401cb027f$e624baa0$b26e2fe0$%morgan@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <001801cb029a$c90861e0$5b1925a0$@ca> Have you tried: http://www.ebaman.com/index.php/remository/Home-Electronics/Audio/Nakamichi/ 1000-Series/ Ken From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morgan Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2010 6:18 a.m. To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL User Manual Does anyone know where I can get a Nakamichi 1000ZXL user manual in PDF format. Have tried on the web, but they are all poor quality and hard to read. Even purchased one from ebay but that too was a poor photocopy with part of the text missing from each page - not worth the USD7.00 paid! Cannot seem to find one anywhere. Thanks, Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 23:31:11 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Capstan Motor In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D15ACB71@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <646433.6181.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Back in the middle/early 90's I bought a demo CD-1.5.  A couple years after that the capstan motor quit.  I also leave mine off when not in use.  Bob N --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Doug Guth wrote: From: Doug Guth Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Capstan Motor To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 5:05 AM Yes, it runs whenever the deck is powered up.  At the HiFi store that I worked at we called it the "Premature Motor Death" feature. We reminded customers to power down the unit when they were not actually using it. Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC,  29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to         naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit         http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to         naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at         naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Jun 3 11:48:37 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:48:37 +0200 Subject: FW: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL User Manual Message-ID: You might want to try a firm called Lange in Berlin.They supply high quality manuals for just about anything that has a manual. Their site can be switched to English--so language is not a problem. Just Google "Lange' and you will get there! I got my SM from them  and everybody knows what a 'book' that is . It is a high quality print. Walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:Ken Mashlan  Sent:Wednesday, June 02, 2010 23:30  To:'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' naktalk at naks.com;  Subject:RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL User Manual Have you tried:   http://www.ebaman.com/index.php/remository/Home-Electronics/Audio/Nakamichi/1000-Series/   Ken   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morgan Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2010 6:18 a.m. To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL User Manual   Does anyone know where I can get a Nakamichi 1000ZXL user manual in PDF format.  Have tried on the web, but they are all poor quality and hard to read.  Even purchased one from ebay but that too was a poor photocopy with part of the text missing from each page - not worth the USD7.00 paid!  Cannot seem to find one anywhere.  Thanks, Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Thu Jun 3 14:29:09 2010 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:29:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Motor In-Reply-To: <201006031009.o53A7K9R000494@zxe.naks.com> References: <201006031009.o53A7K9R000494@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D16254F8@mail.mmsav.com> Hello Jacques and Jayson, The thinking in the High-End community was that electronics sounded better when powered up continuously. The devices would reach a thermal equilibrium. Someone else mentioned that the capstan would be "at speed" when Play was engaged which has some merit. Of course many cassette decks only turn the capstan motor on when the tape is in the well which accomplishes the same thing. I can't remember ever asking any of the Nak engineers in California about it. I just remember grumbling about it on the non-direct drive machines when I realized a customer's machine had premature motor failure. :o) I don't know that I saw any of the direct drive motors fail and had a brain fart when I commented earlier about the CR-4. Jacques, On your deck check that the take-up and hold-back tension are set to spec and that the pressure rollers and capstan belt are in good condition. Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chartz at club-internet.fr Thu Jun 3 18:29:23 2010 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:29:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 tape tension settings Message-ID: Hey Doug, Thank you for the advice on setting tape tensions. However, I can't find anything about this in the service manual. There is 4.3 in the mechanical adjustment part but a special tool is required and it is not clear to me whether these adjustments deal with tensions. The pinch rollers are fine, but I'm not sure about the belt. I can't stop the left capstan between two fingers anyway. How do I do it then? Jacques From dougg at mmsav.com Fri Jun 4 13:56:17 2010 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:56:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Adjustment In-Reply-To: <201006041002.o54A04JA004938@zxe.naks.com> References: <201006041002.o54A04JA004938@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D2E0F5A4@mail.mmsav.com> Hello Jacques, See step 4.8 on page 8 of the service manual for take-up tension. Back tension is supplied by OC80620 Back Tension Pulley and OC80621A Back Tension Belt, 09 and 10 on the mechanism diagram. Take-Up tension is adjusted to 50g/cm and I believe that the Back-Tension should read between 2-10g/cm. A Tape Travelling Check Cassette is useful to check the tape path for waving of the tape. Thanks, Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 88, Issue 4 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." From chartz at club-internet.fr Fri Jun 4 15:14:46 2010 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (chartz) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:14:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Adjustment In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D2E0F5A4@mail.mmsav.com> References: <201006041002.o54A04JA004938@zxe.naks.com> <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D2E0F5A4@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <000001cb03e7$e842ed20$b8c8c760$@fr> Thanks. Alex Nikitin thinks it's more likely to be the main capstan belt, but I can't stop the left capstan by hand once again. Can I use a transparent box cassette to check the path, maybe with some additional light? Trouble is I don’t have the tool for measuring tension. So can I just adjust VR601 until a "bad" pre-recorded travels normally then? Jacques -----Message d'origine----- De : naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] De la part de Doug Guth Envoyé : vendredi 4 juin 2010 13:56 À : naktalk at naks.com Objet : [naktalk] CR-4 Adjustment Hello Jacques, See step 4.8 on page 8 of the service manual for take-up tension. Back tension is supplied by OC80620 Back Tension Pulley and OC80621A Back Tension Belt, 09 and 10 on the mechanism diagram. Take-Up tension is adjusted to 50g/cm and I believe that the Back-Tension should read between 2-10g/cm. A Tape Travelling Check Cassette is useful to check the tape path for waving of the tape. Thanks, Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 88, Issue 4 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 20:06:04 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Adjustment In-Reply-To: <000001cb03e7$e842ed20$b8c8c760$@fr> References: <201006041002.o54A04JA004938@zxe.naks.com> <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D2E0F5A4@mail.mmsav.com> <000001cb03e7$e842ed20$b8c8c760$@fr> Message-ID: <763260.74817.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Adjusting VR601 require a torque meter that I do not have. I have had good results by playing the last few inches of a C120 cassette and slowly backing up VR601 until the auto shut-off trips. I then increase VR-601 by 1/8 to 1/4 turn. The above assumes that mechanically, everything is adjusted correctly and works OK. -- Ron ________________________________ From: chartz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4 Adjustment Thanks. Alex Nikitin thinks it's more likely to be the main capstan belt, but I can't stop the left capstan by hand once again. Can I use a transparent box cassette to check the path, maybe with some additional light? Trouble is I don’t have the tool for measuring tension. So can I just adjust VR601 until a "bad" pre-recorded travels normally then? Jacques -----Message d'origine----- De : naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] De la part de Doug Guth Envoyé : vendredi 4 juin 2010 13:56 À : naktalk at naks.com Objet : [naktalk] CR-4 Adjustment Hello Jacques, See step 4.8 on page 8 of the service manual for take-up tension. Back tension is supplied by OC80620 Back Tension Pulley and OC80621A Back Tension Belt, 09 and 10 on the mechanism diagram. Take-Up tension is adjusted to 50g/cm and I believe that the Back-Tension should read between 2-10g/cm. A Tape Travelling Check Cassette is useful to check the tape path for waving of the tape. Thanks, Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 88, Issue 4 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at waag.org Fri Jun 4 20:07:22 2010 From: alex at waag.org (Alex Schaub) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:07:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 Message-ID: all, I just bought a absolut mint state lx 5 from america. Living in Amsterdam we have 220V here. Now the tape is 120V and there is no switch on the back site. I havent opend the deck yet, but does anyone no if it is switchable inside? I have a transformer just to fire it up, but off course would prefer to run it without external transformer. Thanks for a hint alex From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Jun 5 05:12:01 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <322962.22785.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I haven;t seen a LX-5 in a long time, but IIRC, if you do not see a voltage selector switch on the rear panel, it's a fixed voltage deck. The voltage is printed on the rear panel. 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I will look into it. > > Rgds, > > Daniel > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:18 AM, shanti ramachandran < > shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Or you might need a new cam belt in addition to the lubrication. >> Ram >> >> --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Daniel Sun * wrote: >> >> >> From: Daniel Sun >> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 8:25 AM >> >> >> Hello! After around a year after I bought from ebay, the ZX-9 would stop >> from recording all of a sudden and would not engage in play mode. After >> several power on and off it played and recorded again, occasionally after >> pressing the stop button from play mode, the machine would present a "thud" >> sound. Is this typical "squeaking" noise caused by the cam shaft gear which >> needs re-oiling? 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Bob N > > --- On *Fri, 6/4/10, Alex Schaub * wrote: > > > From: Alex Schaub > Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 11:07 AM > > all, > I just bought a absolut mint state lx 5 from america. > Living in Amsterdam we have 220V here. > Now the tape is 120V and there is no switch on the back site. > I havent opend the deck yet, but does anyone no if it is switchable inside? > I have a transformer just to fire it up, but off course would prefer to run > it without external transformer. > > Thanks for a hint > > alex > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 5 23:55:29 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8562.78969.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Daniel, The ZX9 is a direct drive deck. Is the right( take up) capstan spinning when the deck is powered on? If yes, then all you need is to replace the capstan belt. If not, then the motor has issues  either itself or its electronics)and needs a technician to evaluate. Good luck. Ram --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Daniel Sun wrote: From: Daniel Sun Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 11:49 AM If the cause is that both capstans not turning, is that due to failure in the transistors in the motor board?   Daniel On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Sun wrote: Thanks for the tip, Ram. I will look into it.   Rgds,   Daniel On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:18 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: Or you might need a new cam belt in addition to the lubrication. Ram --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Daniel Sun wrote: From: Daniel Sun Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 8:25 AM Hello! After around a year after I bought from ebay, the ZX-9 would stop from recording all of a sudden and would not engage in play mode. After several power on and off it played and recorded again, occasionally after pressing the stop button from play mode, the machine would present a "thud" sound. Is this typical "squeaking" noise caused by the cam shaft gear which needs re-oiling? If yes what type of oil is needed? 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URL: From overkillaudioinc at gmail.com Sat Jun 5 23:09:12 2010 From: overkillaudioinc at gmail.com (Dave Meyers) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:09:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Scrap deck photos finally! In-Reply-To: <836930.13035.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B72D01FB2484D4FA868002BDD39135F@fujitsu> I do have a MR-1 and a MR-2 and a BX125 I finally have photos! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 2:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Scrap deck photos finally! Dave, if the 3rd deck is, indeed, an MR-1 (not MR-2) and is complete with door and stuff, I would be interested. How much do you want for it and where are you located (zip)? Regards, -- Ron _____ From: Dave Meyers To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:32:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Scrap deck photos finally! I finally got photos taken of the 3 scrap decks I have available for sale. I have 1-MR2 1-BX125 and I can't remember what the 3rd is. I think another MR2 maybe a MR1 but same style anyway. I would ideally like to sell all as one lot. But I would be willing to sell individual decks. At this time I do not want to part the decks out but if there is no interest here or on eBay I will reconsider that. I am offering these decks to the list first. But will be posting them on eBay soon. All decks are assumed to be non working. But "appear" to be relatively complete. I think one is missing the tape door cover. Anyone interested please email me and I will gladly send you photos of the decks. 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Do you or does anyone know where they are located or if they are not marked where the test points are on these machines? Again 482 and 481Z. Thanks in advance. Peter Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:12:01 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 To: naktalk at naks.com I haven;t seen a LX-5 in a long time, but IIRC, if you do not see a voltage selector switch on the rear panel, it's a fixed voltage deck. The voltage is printed on the rear panel. A transformer is a cheap and easy solution. -- Ron From: Alex Schaub To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 2:07:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 all, I just bought a absolut mint state lx 5 from america. Living in Amsterdam we have 220V here. Now the tape is 120V and there is no switch on the back site. I havent opend the deck yet, but does anyone no if it is switchable inside? 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URL: From dandhsun at gmail.com Sun Jun 6 01:22:03 2010 From: dandhsun at gmail.com (Daniel Sun) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:22:03 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode In-Reply-To: <8562.78969.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8562.78969.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ram. As I've said, it started out alright and after around 20-30min of recording both capstans stop turning as if there is no power, hence I wonder if this is due to the power transistor issue in the motor control board. If the motor has issues shouldn't it stop operating completely? Rgds, Daniel On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:55 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Daniel, > > The ZX9 is a direct drive deck. Is the right( take up) capstan spinning > when the deck is powered on? > If yes, then all you need is to replace the capstan belt. If not, then the > motor has issues either itself or its electronics)and needs a technician to > evaluate. > Good luck. > > Ram > > > --- On *Sat, 6/5/10, Daniel Sun * wrote: > > > From: Daniel Sun > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 11:49 AM > > > If the cause is that both capstans not turning, is that due to failure in > the transistors in the motor board? > > Daniel > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Sun > > wrote: > >> Thanks for the tip, Ram. I will look into it. >> >> Rgds, >> >> Daniel >> >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:18 AM, shanti ramachandran < >> shantiram2000 at yahoo.com >wrote: >> >>> Or you might need a new cam belt in addition to the lubrication. >>> Ram >>> >>> --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Daniel Sun >>> >* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Daniel Sun >>> > >>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 8:25 AM >>> >>> >>> Hello! After around a year after I bought from ebay, the ZX-9 would >>> stop from recording all of a sudden and would not engage in play mode. After >>> several power on and off it played and recorded again, occasionally after >>> pressing the stop button from play mode, the machine would present a "thud" >>> sound. Is this typical "squeaking" noise caused by the cam shaft gear which >>> needs re-oiling? 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Jun 6 05:42:49 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 In-Reply-To: References: , <322962.22785.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <441367.89241.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't have the manual for either deck, but did take a quick look at the 480 and 481 schematics. In both, TP101 and TP 102 were easy to find. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 6:07:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 I have a 482 and a 481Z both working perfectly with an external transformer. Changing swithces and internal transformers seems like a messy job. My transformer cost 15 bucks and can handle 100 watts. Lot more than the two decks require. There is one thing I would like to ask though. In order to adjust level and meter setting the manual asks for connecting the VTVM to TP 101 and 102 respectively on the 482 and 481Z. Well, I looked all over for them on the main PCB but was unable to find them. On the 582 they were easy to find and clearly marked. Not on these. Do you or does anyone know where they are located or if they are not marked where the test points are on these machines? Again 482 and 481Z. Thanks in advance. Peter ________________________________ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:12:01 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 To: naktalk at naks.com I haven;t seen a LX-5 in a long time, but IIRC, if you do not see a voltage selector switch on the rear panel, it's a fixed voltage deck. The voltage is printed on the rear panel. A transformer is a cheap and easy solution. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Alex Schaub To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 2:07:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 all, I just bought a absolut mint state lx 5 from america. Living in Amsterdam we have 220V here. Now the tape is 120V and there is no switch on the back site. I havent opend the deck yet, but does anyone no if it is switchable inside? I have a transformer just to fire it up, but off course would prefer to run it without external transformer. Thanks for a hint alex ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Sun Jun 6 09:55:18 2010 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:55:18 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: <004201cb054d$9c3aa1e0$d4afe5a0$@ca> Hi All... I am working on my 1000zxl and have run across a problem with the meters. As a background caps have been replaced on the rec, req dolby and pb boards and the four on the main board the daughter cards plug into. I have replaced the two caps on the meter as well and now have the following issue. If I connect the meter to the power supply, it powers up and lights up all the meter elements except the blobs on each DB mark. If I connect the 2nd connector to the detector PCB, I get no lights at all on the meter. If I play a cassette, I get two solid chunks about a quarter of the way across the meters. The detector board has no orange caps so has not been altered. I am not sure if the problem is the meter or maybe the caps on the main board. To help troubleshoot does anyone know (or can test) if the other three boards need to be in place for the meter to light up when idle. i.e. if the two record and the playback boards are out - only the detector in place do the meters light when idle. This will tell me if the issue is maybe with caps on another card, or if the main board is at fault. Thanks in advance... Ken -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4474 bytes Desc: not available URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Jun 6 10:30:43 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:30:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <004201cb054d$9c3aa1e0$d4afe5a0$@ca> References: <004201cb054d$9c3aa1e0$d4afe5a0$@ca> Message-ID: <707361587-1275813048-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1905073911-@bda2148.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> I have seen bad cmos switches inside the FL assy'. Do both meters behave the same way? -- Saludos, rgds, Luis. Sent from BB. Please excuse typos. -----Original Message----- From: "Ken Mashlan" Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:55:18 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL troubleshooting Hi All... I am working on my 1000zxl and have run across a problem with the meters. As a background caps have been replaced on the rec, req dolby and pb boards and the four on the main board the daughter cards plug into. I have replaced the two caps on the meter as well and now have the following issue. If I connect the meter to the power supply, it powers up and lights up all the meter elements except the blobs on each DB mark. If I connect the 2nd connector to the detector PCB, I get no lights at all on the meter. If I play a cassette, I get two solid chunks about a quarter of the way across the meters. The detector board has no orange caps so has not been altered. I am not sure if the problem is the meter or maybe the caps on the main board. To help troubleshoot does anyone know (or can test) if the other three boards need to be in place for the meter to light up when idle. i.e. if the two record and the playback boards are out - only the detector in place do the meters light when idle. This will tell me if the issue is maybe with caps on another card, or if the main board is at fault. Thanks in advance... Ken From overkillaudioinc at gmail.com Sun Jun 6 20:36:21 2010 From: overkillaudioinc at gmail.com (Dave Meyers) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:36:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] last chance for parts decks, MR1 MR2 BX125 In-Reply-To: <707361587-1275813048-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1905073911-@bda2148.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <03B5712EC648436E8D0B26C55F3AD264@fujitsu> Last chance for these parts decks before they go to recycling. Would prefer to sell the whole lot in one shot but willing to discuss selling individual decks. These decks are best for parts or rebuild. Not looking for much, but enough to make it worth my while to pack the decks up. + shipping cost. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: P1000382.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 140374 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Sun Jun 6 23:49:01 2010 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:49:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 In-Reply-To: <441367.89241.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: , , <322962.22785.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, , <441367.89241.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes it's true for those decks. However I went through the 482 schematics with a magnifying glass and could not find the TP 101 and 201. I don't have the manual for the 481Z but I do for the 482 and that's the deck that has been worked on. The 482Z has the TP 101 201 clearly marked as well but mine is a 482. Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:42:49 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 To: naktalk at naks.com I don't have the manual for either deck, but did take a quick look at the 480 and 481 schematics. In both, TP101 and TP 102 were easy to find. -- Ron From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 6:07:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 I have a 482 and a 481Z both working perfectly with an external transformer. Changing swithces and internal transformers seems like a messy job. My transformer cost 15 bucks and can handle 100 watts. Lot more than the two decks require. There is one thing I would like to ask though. In order to adjust level and meter setting the manual asks for connecting the VTVM to TP 101 and 102 respectively on the 482 and 481Z. Well, I looked all over for them on the main PCB but was unable to find them. On the 582 they were easy to find and clearly marked. Not on these. Do you or does anyone know where they are located or if they are not marked where the test points are on these machines? Again 482 and 481Z. Thanks in advance. Peter Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:12:01 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 To: naktalk at naks.com I haven;t seen a LX-5 in a long time, but IIRC, if you do not see a voltage selector switch on the rear panel, it's a fixed voltage deck. The voltage is printed on the rear panel. A transformer is a cheap and easy solution. -- Ron From: Alex Schaub To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 2:07:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 all, I just bought a absolut mint state lx 5 from america. Living in Amsterdam we have 220V here. Now the tape is 120V and there is no switch on the back site. I havent opend the deck yet, but does anyone no if it is switchable inside? I have a transformer just to fire it up, but off course would prefer to run it without external transformer. Thanks for a hint alex ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Mon Jun 7 01:17:23 2010 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:17:23 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <707361587-1275813048-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1905073911-@bda2148.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <004201cb054d$9c3aa1e0$d4afe5a0$@ca> <707361587-1275813048-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1905073911-@bda2148.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <001501cb05ce$6bd368d0$437a3a70$@ca> Yes, they seem to. I have attached a picture of how they look when the connector to the detector is disconnected. When connected they are completely blank. I suppose my question is around how the signal gets to the meters - they don't work on source or tape, so I am not sure if it is something on the main board, or the play/rec boards. Thanks Again... Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Sunday, 6 June 2010 8:31 p.m. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL troubleshooting I have seen bad cmos switches inside the FL assy'. Do both meters behave the same way? -- Saludos, rgds, Luis. Sent from BB. Please excuse typos. -----Original Message----- From: "Ken Mashlan" Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:55:18 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL troubleshooting Hi All... I am working on my 1000zxl and have run across a problem with the meters. As a background caps have been replaced on the rec, req dolby and pb boards and the four on the main board the daughter cards plug into. I have replaced the two caps on the meter as well and now have the following issue. If I connect the meter to the power supply, it powers up and lights up all the meter elements except the blobs on each DB mark. If I connect the 2nd connector to the detector PCB, I get no lights at all on the meter. If I play a cassette, I get two solid chunks about a quarter of the way across the meters. The detector board has no orange caps so has not been altered. I am not sure if the problem is the meter or maybe the caps on the main board. To help troubleshoot does anyone know (or can test) if the other three boards need to be in place for the meter to light up when idle. i.e. if the two record and the playback boards are out - only the detector in place do the meters light when idle. This will tell me if the issue is maybe with caps on another card, or if the main board is at fault. Thanks in advance... 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There you will see the TP 101 and TP 201. To physically meter these points on the board, you need to connect to the end of R139 or R239 (depending on channel) that does not connect to the electrolytic capacitors C141 or C241. From memory, these resistors are on the far right hand side of the main board as you look at it from the top (component side) around the middle. I can email you a section of the schematic if you like..I don't think attachments come through in this list. Regards David From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Monday, 7 June 2010 7:49 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 Yes it's true for those decks. However I went through the 482 schematics with a magnifying glass and could not find the TP 101 and 201. I don't have the manual for the 481Z but I do for the 482 and that's the deck that has been worked on. The 482Z has the TP 101 201 clearly marked as well but mine is a 482. ________________________________ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:42:49 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 To: naktalk at naks.com I don't have the manual for either deck, but did take a quick look at the 480 and 481 schematics. In both, TP101 and TP 102 were easy to find. -- Ron There is one thing I would like to ask though. In order to adjust level and meter setting the manual asks for connecting the VTVM to TP 101 and 102 respectively on the 482 and 481Z. Well, I looked all over for them on the main PCB but was unable to find them. On the 582 they were easy to find and clearly marked. Not on these. Do you or does anyone know where they are located or if they are not marked where the test points are on these machines? Again 482 and 481Z. Thanks in advance. Peter This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. 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Please excuse typos. -----Original Message----- From: David King Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:41:34 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Mon Jun 7 09:35:13 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:35:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C0CA131.90505@univ-rennes1.fr> alex, May you should contact Luis Peromarta: he developped toroidal transformers that could suit the lx series. That could be an elagnat solution to your problem. bernard Alex Schaub a écrit : > all, > I just bought a absolut mint state lx 5 from america. > Living in Amsterdam we have 220V here. > Now the tape is 120V and there is no switch on the back site. > I havent opend the deck yet, but does anyone no if it is switchable inside? > I have a transformer just to fire it up, but off course would prefer to run it without external transformer. > > Thanks for a hint > > alex > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From pbtanner at hotmail.com Mon Jun 7 11:31:37 2010 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:31:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 In-Reply-To: <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CD8D0EBEE@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> References: , , , <322962.22785.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, , , , <441367.89241.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, , <64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CD8D0EBEE@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: Thanks a millon, David. Great help as I am no electronic wizard. Please send the attachment to the address below. I'm not sure if my email address shows on this list. pbtanner at hotmail.com And by the way, I am unable to find the test points on my 481Z either. The 481 is clear but not the Z. I don't know why I've been having trouble with these two decks. My 582 was so simple. But as I don't have the sm for the 481Z, difficult to find, I haven't adjusted anything on it. Peter From: David.King at usq.edu.au To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:41:34 +1000 Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 Hi Peter I have just recently refurbished a 482, and you are correct, the test points are not physically on the main board of this model. They are however clearly marked on the schematic…right on the moving arm of a set of contacts on the source / tape switch. See Figure 14.3.1 or 14.3.2 depending on your serial number (although it is the same in both drawings). Follow the playback head in and through the big Dolby chips IC 102 and 202. Come out of pin 14, and to the right until you hit the source / tape switch. There you will see the TP 101 and TP 201. To physically meter these points on the board, you need to connect to the end of R139 or R239 (depending on channel) that does not connect to the electrolytic capacitors C141 or C241. From memory, these resistors are on the far right hand side of the main board as you look at it from the top (component side) around the middle. I can email you a section of the schematic if you like..I don’t think attachments come through in this list. Regards David From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Monday, 7 June 2010 7:49 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 Yes it's true for those decks. However I went through the 482 schematics with a magnifying glass and could not find the TP 101 and 201. I don't have the manual for the 481Z but I do for the 482 and that's the deck that has been worked on. The 482Z has the TP 101 201 clearly marked as well but mine is a 482. Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:42:49 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 To: naktalk at naks.com I don't have the manual for either deck, but did take a quick look at the 480 and 481 schematics. In both, TP101 and TP 102 were easy to find. -- Ron There is one thing I would like to ask though. In order to adjust level and meter setting the manual asks for connecting the VTVM to TP 101 and 102 respectively on the 482 and 481Z. Well, I looked all over for them on the main PCB but was unable to find them. On the 582 they were easy to find and clearly marked. Not on these. Do you or does anyone know where they are located or if they are not marked where the test points are on these machines? Again 482 and 481Z. Thanks in advance. Peter This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Jun 7 14:12:58 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 In-Reply-To: References: , , <322962.22785.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, , <441367.89241.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <504665.29763.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The circuits are similar in the the 400/500 family. Can you infer where TP101/2 should be in the 482 from where they are in other members of the family? Then, look at the actual PCB. Could be a typo in the 482 schematic. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 5:49:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 Yes it's true for those decks. However I went through the 482 schematics with a magnifying glass and could not find the TP 101 and 201. I don't have the manual for the 481Z but I do for the 482 and that's the deck that has been worked on. The 482Z has the TP 101 201 clearly marked as well but mine is a 482. ________________________________ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:42:49 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 To: naktalk at naks.com I don't have the manual for either deck, but did take a quick look at the 480 and 481 schematics. In both, TP101 and TP 102 were easy to find. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 6:07:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 I have a 482 and a 481Z both working perfectly with an external transformer. Changing swithces and internal transformers seems like a messy job. My transformer cost 15 bucks and can handle 100 watts. Lot more than the two decks require. There is one thing I would like to ask though. In order to adjust level and meter setting the manual asks for connecting the VTVM to TP 101 and 102 respectively on the 482 and 481Z. Well, I looked all over for them on the main PCB but was unable to find them. On the 582 they were easy to find and clearly marked. Not on these. Do you or does anyone know where they are located or if they are not marked where the test points are on these machines? Again 482 and 481Z. Thanks in advance. Peter ________________________________ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:12:01 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 To: naktalk at naks.com I haven;t seen a LX-5 in a long time, but IIRC, if you do not see a voltage selector switch on the rear panel, it's a fixed voltage deck. The voltage is printed on the rear panel. A transformer is a cheap and easy solution. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Alex Schaub To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 2:07:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 all, I just bought a absolut mint state lx 5 from america. Living in Amsterdam we have 220V here. Now the tape is 120V and there is no switch on the back site. I havent opend the deck yet, but does anyone no if it is switchable inside? I have a transformer just to fire it up, but off course would prefer to run it without external transformer. Thanks for a hint alex ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. ________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jun 7 15:57:07 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:57:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 FF and RR Revival In-Reply-To: <832072.5612.qm@web110815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <832072.5612.qm@web110815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1515679929-1275919031-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1579539129-@bda2148.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Idler tyre? -- Saludos, rgds, Luis. Sent from BB. Please excuse typos. -----Original Message----- From: "Fred S.C. Li" Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:14:41 To: Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 FF and RR Revival ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alex at waag.org Mon Jun 7 17:06:57 2010 From: alex at waag.org (Alex Schaub) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:06:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 In-Reply-To: <536418748-1275900024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-734893046-@bda2148.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: , , <322962.22785.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, , <441367.89241.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com><64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CD8D0EBEE@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> <536418748-1275900024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-734893046-@bda2148.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: sounds interesting luis. Shall I make a photo and send it to you, so you have a sence of measures? best, Alex On Jun 7, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Not sure because I have never had a LX5, but my toroidal transformer might suit your deck, converting the unit to 230V (std. In europe, not 220, those were the old days ...) > > http://naks.es > > -- > Saludos, rgds, Luis. > Sent from BB. Please excuse typos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David King > Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:41:34 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= A/s Alex Schaub - Fablab Amsterdam - The Netherlands Pakhuis de Zwijger, Piet Heinkade 179, 3. floor 1019 HC Amsterdam | +31(0)207884419 http://amsterdam.fablab.nl From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jun 7 23:04:58 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:04:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 In-Reply-To: References: , , <322962.22785.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, , <441367.89241.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com><64125E0F9679D94686FAA7E52B4A16AB0CD8D0EBEE@EXCHMB.usq.edu.au> <536418748-1275900024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-734893046-@bda2148.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <8D57DF49-78D1-46B4-AF23-1F1A539F86C1@peromarta.org> Hi Alex, I've checked the voltages. It will work for your deck, at 230V. You can always replace the old transformer should you need to. Price is 75+fitting, aprox 150€ + tax. I can also do a basic cleaning , calibration on your deck, it should leave my bench in great condition!. Best rgds, L. El 07/06/2010, a las 17:06, Alex Schaub escribió: > sounds interesting luis. Shall I make a photo and send it to you, so you have a sence of measures? > > best, Alex > > > On Jun 7, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> Not sure because I have never had a LX5, but my toroidal transformer might suit your deck, converting the unit to 230V (std. In europe, not 220, those were the old days ...) >> >> http://naks.es >> >> -- >> Saludos, rgds, Luis. >> Sent from BB. Please excuse typos. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David King >> Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:41:34 >> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-5 power 220 vs 110 >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > A/s > > > Alex Schaub - Fablab Amsterdam - The Netherlands > Pakhuis de Zwijger, Piet Heinkade 179, 3. floor > 1019 HC Amsterdam | +31(0)207884419 > http://amsterdam.fablab.nl > From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 8 03:36:34 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:36:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Belt Kit with Instructions Message-ID: I'm not sure if the group ever discussed this Ebay item. Just curious if any member has used this. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-LX-5-Cassette-Deck-belt-kit-instructions-/250643384433?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a5b828871 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamiep8 at comcast.net Tue Jun 8 15:52:14 2010 From: jamiep8 at comcast.net (jamiep8 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nak LX-5 Belt Kit Message-ID: <203608297.1458131276005134386.JavaMail.root@sz0021a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I purchased a Nak LX-3 Belt Kit from this seller last year, which is the same kit for the LX-5. And it worked wonders for my LX-3. The belts are pretty easy to replace, and are an exact fit.  And are definately worth the money! And, rubber manufactured today is much better than the rubber used originally on these decks, almost 30! years ago! My LX-3 sounds better than my Revox B215!! Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamiep8 at comcast.net Tue Jun 8 15:59:21 2010 From: jamiep8 at comcast.net (jamiep8 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Sony NR-500 Dolby C NR Processor Message-ID: <309525386.1461681276005561145.JavaMail.root@sz0021a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi All: Perhaps someone can share some information regarding recording with an outboard Sony NR-500 Dolby C NR Processor. This unit almost makes using Dolby C NR sound as good as using a dbx II NR Processor. My question: I'm not sure how to set the proper cassette deck recording level. I know that the recording level knob on the Sony NR processor should be used to set recording levels for actual recording, but where should I set the cassette deck recording level? I've experimented, and if I set the recording level on the cassette deck too high, then the recording sounds too shrill. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks. Peace, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Jun 8 17:42:29 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:42:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak LX-5 Belt Kit In-Reply-To: <203608297.1458131276005134386.JavaMail.root@sz0021a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <203608297.1458131276005134386.JavaMail.root@sz0021a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:52 AM, wrote: > I purchased a Nak LX-3 Belt Kit from this seller last year, which is the > same kit for the LX-5. And it worked wonders for my LX-3. The belts are > pretty easy to replace, and are an exact fit. And are definately worth the > money! And, rubber manufactured today is much better than the rubber used > originally on these decks, almost 30! years ago! My LX-3 sounds better than > my Revox B215!! Mike > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SIMP at nyc.rr.com Tue Jun 8 17:42:23 2010 From: SIMP at nyc.rr.com (SIMProductions) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:42:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony NR-500 Dolby C NR Processor In-Reply-To: <309525386.1461681276005561145.JavaMail.root@sz0021a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: If this unit is like the Nakamichi NR-200, then you need to calibrate the units together. Does the Sony have an internal dolby test tone? I believe both rec and output level on the deck has to be maximized and then you use the calibration pots on the Dolby unit to make the correct meter reading. When all is calibrated, you will use the levels on the Dolby unit to make recordings. Regards, Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jamiep8 at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Sony NR-500 Dolby C NR Processor Hi All: Perhaps someone can share some information regarding recording with an outboard Sony NR-500 Dolby C NR Processor. This unit almost makes using Dolby C NR sound as good as using a dbx II NR Processor. My question: I'm not sure how to set the proper cassette deck recording level. I know that the recording level knob on the Sony NR processor should be used to set recording levels for actual recording, but where should I set the cassette deck recording level? I've experimented, and if I set the recording level on the cassette deck too high, then the recording sounds too shrill. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks. Peace, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Jun 9 21:45:41 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:45:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] mars belts? Message-ID: <000001cb080c$57e55c30$07b01490$@utah.edu> Is Fred still selling belts? I need one kit for a 700ZXL. Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                 LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Jun 9 21:47:07 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:47:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] never mind Message-ID: <000001cb080c$8ae89840$a0b9c8c0$@utah.edu> I found him. Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                 LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       From luis at peromarta.org Wed Jun 9 22:39:00 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:39:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] mars belts? In-Reply-To: <000001cb080c$57e55c30$07b01490$@utah.edu> References: <000001cb080c$57e55c30$07b01490$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <82DF7FBA-014B-4FBD-A487-99D4C27A973C@peromarta.org> Yes he is. Enviado desde mi iPhone El 09/06/2010, a las 21:45, "Victor Gabrenas" escribió: > Is Fred still selling belts? I need one kit for a 700ZXL. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: > LCB105 > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Jun 10 00:01:20 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:01:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] mars belts? In-Reply-To: <000001cb080c$57e55c30$07b01490$@utah.edu> References: <000001cb080c$57e55c30$07b01490$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Go on eBay and do a search. You will find his store there. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Is Fred still selling belts? I need one kit for a 700ZXL. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                        LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have tryed to adjust the > small nylon nut but it doesn't seem to change anything? I notice wow and > flutter on some of my store bought cassettes from record companies. Is there > another adjustment that will bring the pinch roller into contact with > capstan? Thanks > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. Learn more. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 18:12:13 2010 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] naks for sale--pics at last Message-ID: <467155.75735.qm@web83709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello fellow Nak enthusiasts, I mentioned some Naks I have for sale some months back.  I finally have some pics ready, and will be listing the decks this weekend.  If you're interested in any of the following, please shoot me an email ASAP and I'll send you some pics.  Here's what I have: 700 II--needs take up reel, so it is currently dysfunctional; comes with hard copy of service manual and original box and packing (plus cleaning cloth); great cosmetic condition CR-3--works ok (though will need a tune-up); near mint shape MR-1--needs a new motor (stops intermittently); good shape (clean front) 480--professionally serviced eject and playback (issues recording though); comes with original manual; near-mint (silver) I also have a silver BX-125 and a DR-3 but I'm guessing no one's interested, so I'll probably just keep. 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Thanks, John --- On Sat, 6/12/10, jesse ruff wrote: From: jesse ruff Subject: [naktalk] naks for sale--pics at last To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:12 PM Hello fellow Nak enthusiasts, I mentioned some Naks I have for sale some months back.  I finally have some pics ready, and will be listing the decks this weekend.  If you're interested in any of the following, please shoot me an email ASAP and I'll send you some pics.  Here's what I have: 700 II--needs take up reel, so it is currently dysfunctional; comes with hard copy of service manual and original box and packing (plus cleaning cloth); great cosmetic condition CR-3--works ok (though will need a tune-up); near mint shape MR-1--needs a new motor (stops intermittently); good shape (clean front) 480--professionally serviced eject and playback (issues recording though); comes with original manual; near-mint (silver) I also have a silver BX-125 and a DR-3 but I'm guessing no one's interested, so I'll probably just keep. 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I finally have some pics ready, and will be listing the decks this weekend. If you're interested in any of the following, please shoot me an email ASAP and I'll send you some pics. Here's what I have: 700 II--needs take up reel, so it is currently dysfunctional; comes with hard copy of service manual and original box and packing (plus cleaning cloth); great cosmetic condition CR-3--works ok (though will need a tune-up); near mint shape MR-1--needs a new motor (stops intermittently); good shape (clean front) 480--professionally serviced eject and playback (issues recording though); comes with original manual; near-mint (silver) I also have a silver BX-125 and a DR-3 but I'm guessing no one's interested, so I'll probably just keep. Let me know! 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URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 23:26:10 2010 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] naks for sale--pics at last In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <908228.59779.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The DR-3 is like new except for a nick above the tape well--fully functional.  I'm actually currently using it, and it's been working great.  I don't actually have pics of that one, but I could take here if you're really interested... --- On Tue, 6/15/10, Seshadri, Srinath wrote: From: Seshadri, Srinath Subject: RE: [naktalk] naks for sale--pics at last To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:27 AM Could you send me info on the DR-3. Thanks. Srinath.   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of John Fieldstadt Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:10 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] naks for sale--pics at last   Hi, I'm curious as to what you want for the CR-3. Thanks, John --- On Sat, 6/12/10, jesse ruff wrote: From: jesse ruff Subject: [naktalk] naks for sale--pics at last To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:12 PM Hello fellow Nak enthusiasts, I mentioned some Naks I have for sale some months back.  I finally have some pics ready, and will be listing the decks this weekend.  If you're interested in any of the following, please shoot me an email ASAP and I'll send you some pics.  Here's what I have: 700 II--needs take up reel, so it is currently dysfunctional; comes with hard copy of service manual and original box and packing (plus cleaning cloth); great cosmetic condition CR-3--works ok (though will need a tune-up); near mint shape MR-1--needs a new motor (stops intermittently); good shape (clean front) 480--professionally serviced eject and playback (issues recording though); comes with original manual; near-mint (silver) I also have a silver BX-125 and a DR-3 but I'm guessing no one's interested, so I'll probably just keep. 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URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 23:44:35 2010 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] naks for sale--pics at last In-Reply-To: <370671.79886.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <378157.66131.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I'd like to get $100 --- On Mon, 6/14/10, John Fieldstadt wrote: From: John Fieldstadt Subject: Re: [naktalk] naks for sale--pics at last To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 11:09 PM Hi, I'm curious as to what you want for the CR-3. Thanks, John --- On Sat, 6/12/10, jesse ruff wrote: From: jesse ruff Subject: [naktalk] naks for sale--pics at last To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:12 PM Hello fellow Nak enthusiasts, I mentioned some Naks I have for sale some months back.  I finally have some pics ready, and will be listing the decks this weekend.  If you're interested in any of the following, please shoot me an email ASAP and I'll send you some pics.  Here's what I have: 700 II--needs take up reel, so it is currently dysfunctional; comes with hard copy of service manual and original box and packing (plus cleaning cloth); great cosmetic condition CR-3--works ok (though will need a tune-up); near mint shape MR-1--needs a new motor (stops intermittently); good shape (clean front) 480--professionally serviced eject and playback (issues recording though); comes with original manual; near-mint (silver) I also have a silver BX-125 and a DR-3 but I'm guessing no one's interested, so I'll probably just keep. 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URL: From voss at hhi.de Wed Jun 16 14:49:41 2010 From: voss at hhi.de (=?UTF-8?Q?=22Vo=C3=9F=2C_Sven-Hendrik=22?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 14:49:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem Message-ID: <1087839947.104299.1276692582597.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> Hi,   I just purchased a BX-2 deck in a second-hand shop last week. I found out that the idler tire had gotten old and was no longer playing, rewinding or fast forwarding correctly. Fixed that. Then I had to cope with malfunctioning logic controlled transport. Fixed that, too. Finally got the deck to play but now it still bothers me with another quite severe problem which I can’t get solved: uneven channel balance on both recording (REC) and playback (PB)!   First I only noticed that there is somewhat of a channel imbalance on playback leading to some 2-4 dB higher levels on the right channel. This can be seen on the LED bar graph meters and clearly heard on headphones. Checking with an external VU meter brought the same results. At that point I thought about maybe adjusting the output level pots on the main board. But then I tried recording… Surprisingly, also on recording I noticed these 2-4 dB higher levels on the right channel. Made a sound recording and played it on my other tapedecks, Sony, Aiwa, Nakamichi BX-150. The imbalance was clearly recognizable although level control at recording with the BX-2 was quite even then (tried it with mono sources and 440 Hz and 1 KHz test tones).   That gave me the idea that maybe something is wrong with the combined REC+PB head. So I made an azimuth alignment with an oscilloscope in x-y operation until the resulting waveform on the scope was a straight 45º diagonal line from lower left to upper right. That didn’t solve the problem, though, and it turned out that the head had been almost in alignment already before. The head height or any other settings do not appear to be adjustable at all. In addition I demagnetized the REC/PB head and the erasure head and metal parts inside the drive and cleaned them with Isopropanol. No effect!   What strikes me the most, is that this phenomenon is existent at REC and PB. Otherwise one would only adjust the output levels. But in this case one would have to do this for REC and PB and I don’t think that this is an appropriate solution because it doesn’t cure the cause. Any help and suggestions will be highly appreciated.   Thank you in advance, Sven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 17:04:55 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem In-Reply-To: <1087839947.104299.1276692582597.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> References: <1087839947.104299.1276692582597.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> Message-ID: <424829.88424.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Some of the electronics is common to both REC and PB, so it is quite possible a single fault is causing the whole problem Connect a signal source to both REC inputs in parallel. An audio generator is ideal, but in a pinch, any audio source will do. Then, trace the signal in both channels, comparing levels, starting at the inputs and working your way along the signal paths, until you find the point where levels differ. For this, a signal tracer is ideal, as it gives both aural and visual indications, but if you don't have one, a small audio amplifier with gain control can be used. Once you locate the faulty stage, check components that affect gain. Look for a bad resistor or cap, a switching contact or a leaky transistor (there could be other, less likely causes). Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: "Voß, Sven-Hendrik" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, June 16, 2010 8:49:41 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem Hi, I just purchased a BX-2 deck in a second-hand shop last week. I found out that the idler tire had gotten old and was no longer playing, rewinding or fast forwarding correctly. Fixed that. Then I had to cope with malfunctioning logic controlled transport. Fixed that, too. Finally got the deck to play but now it still bothers me with another quite severe problem which I can’t get solved: uneven channel balance on both recording (REC) and playback (PB)! First I only noticed that there is somewhat of a channel imbalance on playback leading to some 2-4 dB higher levels on the right channel. This can be seen on the LED bar graph meters and clearly heard on headphones. Checking with an external VU meter brought the same results. At that point I thought about maybe adjusting the output level pots on the main board. But then I tried recording… Surprisingly, also on recording I noticed these 2-4 dB higher levels on the right channel. Made a sound recording and played it on my other tapedecks, Sony, Aiwa, Nakamichi BX-150. The imbalance was clearly recognizable although level control at recording with the BX-2 was quite even then (tried it with mono sources and 440 Hz and 1 KHz test tones). That gave me the idea that maybe something is wrong with the combined REC+PB head. So I made an azimuth alignment with an oscilloscope in x-y operation until the resulting waveform on the scope was a straight 45º diagonal line from lower left to upper right. That didn’t solve the problem, though, and it turned out that the head had been almost in alignment already before. The head height or any other settings do not appear to be adjustable at all. In addition I demagnetized the REC/PB head and the erasure head and metal parts inside the drive and cleaned them with Isopropanol. No effect! What strikes me the most, is that this phenomenon is existent at REC and PB. Otherwise one would only adjust the output levels. But in this case one would have to do this for REC and PB and I don’t think that this is an appropriate solution because it doesn’t cure the cause. Any help and suggestions will be highly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Sven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Jun 16 17:48:39 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 07:48:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem In-Reply-To: <1087839947.104299.1276692582597.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> References: <1087839947.104299.1276692582597.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> Message-ID: Suggestion: Forget about what was and why. Start by doing a full electronic calibration. Set the play and meter levels as per instructions in the manual, then set record level and bias for each tape type. Since you have already set head azimuth (presumably with a proper azimuth alignment tape) these electronic calibrations should solve all the imbalance problems. Willy On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:49 AM, "Voß, Sven-Hendrik" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I just purchased a BX-2 deck in a second-hand shop last week. I found out > that the idler tire had gotten old and was no longer playing, rewinding or > fast forwarding correctly. Fixed that. Then I had to cope with > malfunctioning logic controlled transport. Fixed that, too. Finally got the > deck to play but now it still bothers me with another quite severe problem > which I can’t get solved: uneven channel balance on both recording (REC) and > playback (PB)! > > > > First I only noticed that there is somewhat of a channel imbalance on > playback leading to some 2-4 dB higher levels on the right channel. This can > be seen on the LED bar graph meters and clearly heard on headphones. > Checking with an external VU meter brought the same results. At that point I > thought about maybe adjusting the output level pots on the main board. But > then I tried recording… Surprisingly, also on recording I noticed these 2-4 > dB higher levels on the right channel. Made a sound recording and played it > on my other tapedecks, Sony, Aiwa, Nakamichi BX-150. The imbalance was > clearly recognizable although level control at recording with the BX-2 was > quite even then (tried it with mono sources and 440 Hz and 1 KHz test > tones). > > > > That gave me the idea that maybe something is wrong with the combined > REC+PB head. So I made an azimuth alignment with an oscilloscope in x-y > operation until the resulting waveform on the scope was a straight 45º > diagonal line from lower left to upper right. That didn’t solve the problem, > though, and it turned out that the head had been almost in alignment already > before. The head height or any other settings do not appear to be adjustable > at all. In addition I demagnetized the REC/PB head and the erasure head and > metal parts inside the drive and cleaned them with Isopropanol. No effect! > > > > What strikes me the most, is that this phenomenon is existent at REC and > PB. Otherwise one would only adjust the output levels. But in this case one > would have to do this for REC and PB and I don’t think that this is an > appropriate solution because it doesn’t cure the cause. Any help and > suggestions will be highly appreciated. > > > > Thank you in advance, Sven > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Jun 16 18:29:50 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:29:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem In-Reply-To: <1087839947.104299.1276692582597.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> References: <1087839947.104299.1276692582597.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> Message-ID: I would make a close visual inspection of the gap area of the head under about 10x magnification. Wear does not occur uniformly across the face of the head. The tape is neither a machinist nor a "lapper." An aging head CAN cause your symptom. Generally, if the head is responsible, however, the operation will be worse on record than on playback, especially at high frequencies; and there will often be excessive dropouts in the "bad" channel. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:49 AM, "Voß, Sven-Hendrik" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I just purchased a BX-2 deck in a second-hand shop last week. I found out > that the idler tire had gotten old and was no longer playing, rewinding or > fast forwarding correctly. Fixed that. Then I had to cope with > malfunctioning logic controlled transport. Fixed that, too. Finally got the > deck to play but now it still bothers me with another quite severe problem > which I can’t get solved: uneven channel balance on both recording (REC) and > playback (PB)! > > > > First I only noticed that there is somewhat of a channel imbalance on > playback leading to some 2-4 dB higher levels on the right channel. This can > be seen on the LED bar graph meters and clearly heard on headphones. > Checking with an external VU meter brought the same results. At that point I > thought about maybe adjusting the output level pots on the main board. But > then I tried recording… Surprisingly, also on recording I noticed these 2-4 > dB higher levels on the right channel. Made a sound recording and played it > on my other tapedecks, Sony, Aiwa, Nakamichi BX-150. The imbalance was > clearly recognizable although level control at recording with the BX-2 was > quite even then (tried it with mono sources and 440 Hz and 1 KHz test > tones). > > > > That gave me the idea that maybe something is wrong with the combined > REC+PB head. So I made an azimuth alignment with an oscilloscope in x-y > operation until the resulting waveform on the scope was a straight 45º > diagonal line from lower left to upper right. That didn’t solve the problem, > though, and it turned out that the head had been almost in alignment already > before. The head height or any other settings do not appear to be adjustable > at all. In addition I demagnetized the REC/PB head and the erasure head and > metal parts inside the drive and cleaned them with Isopropanol. No effect! > > > > What strikes me the most, is that this phenomenon is existent at REC and > PB. Otherwise one would only adjust the output levels. But in this case one > would have to do this for REC and PB and I don’t think that this is an > appropriate solution because it doesn’t cure the cause. Any help and > suggestions will be highly appreciated. > > > > Thank you in advance, Sven > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 18:57:08 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <517165.70499.qm@web80602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Sven ; I agree with Willy. There is probably nothing wrong with the deck that head wear and age cannot explain. If you don't have a professional dolby calibration tape you can always make something that will work by recording a mono signal ( 400 hz ) on one of your other decks at 0 vu or a dolby mark if they have one and use it to set the BX 2's output levels for good channel balance. Then do the tape sensitivity adjustments for the different tape types. Bias will also change the sensitivity levels. It takes time to get everything set just right and match to your other decks. Have fun .       Thomas. --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 11:48 AM Suggestion:  Forget about what was and why.  Start by doing a full electronic calibration.  Set the play and meter levels as per instructions in the manual, then set record level and bias for each tape type.  Since you have already set head azimuth (presumably with a proper azimuth alignment tape) these electronic calibrations should solve all the imbalance problems. Willy On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:49 AM, "Voß, Sven-Hendrik" wrote: Hi,   I just purchased a BX-2 deck in a second-hand shop last week. I found out that the idler tire had gotten old and was no longer playing, rewinding or fast forwarding correctly. Fixed that. Then I had to cope with malfunctioning logic controlled transport. Fixed that, too. Finally got the deck to play but now it still bothers me with another quite severe problem which I can’t get solved: uneven channel balance on both recording (REC) and playback (PB)!   First I only noticed that there is somewhat of a channel imbalance on playback leading to some 2-4 dB higher levels on the right channel. This can be seen on the LED bar graph meters and clearly heard on headphones. Checking with an external VU meter brought the same results. At that point I thought about maybe adjusting the output level pots on the main board. But then I tried recording… Surprisingly, also on recording I noticed these 2-4 dB higher levels on the right channel. Made a sound recording and played it on my other tapedecks, Sony, Aiwa, Nakamichi BX-150. The imbalance was clearly recognizable although level control at recording with the BX-2 was quite even then (tried it with mono sources and 440 Hz and 1 KHz test tones).   That gave me the idea that maybe something is wrong with the combined REC+PB head. So I made an azimuth alignment with an oscilloscope in x-y operation until the resulting waveform on the scope was a straight 45º diagonal line from lower left to upper right. That didn’t solve the problem, though, and it turned out that the head had been almost in alignment already before. The head height or any other settings do not appear to be adjustable at all. In addition I demagnetized the REC/PB head and the erasure head and metal parts inside the drive and cleaned them with Isopropanol. No effect!   What strikes me the most, is that this phenomenon is existent at REC and PB. Otherwise one would only adjust the output levels. But in this case one would have to do this for REC and PB and I don’t think that this is an appropriate solution because it doesn’t cure the cause. 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URL: From voss at hhi.de Thu Jun 17 08:56:04 2010 From: voss at hhi.de (=?UTF-8?Q?=22Vo=C3=9F=2C_Sven-Hendrik=22?=) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:56:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem Message-ID: <49255763.104995.1276757764808.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> Hi Ron,   thanks for your reply. "Connect a signal source to both REC inputs in parallel...", which REC inputs do you mean. The ones on the main PCB or the head outputs?   Regards, Sven   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:05 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem     Some of the electronics is common to both REC and PB, so it is quite possible a single fault is causing the whole problem   Connect a signal source to both REC inputs in parallel. An audio generator is ideal, but in a pinch, any audio source will do. Then, trace the signal in both channels, comparing levels, starting at the inputs and working your way along the signal paths... From voss at hhi.de Thu Jun 17 09:06:36 2010 From: voss at hhi.de (=?UTF-8?Q?=22Vo=C3=9F=2C_Sven-Hendrik=22?=) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:06:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem Message-ID: <992009427.105049.1276758397483.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> Hi Thomas, do you mean there is presumably nothing wrong with the head? Unfortunatly I do not possess a professional dolby calibration tape (by the way, do you know someone who can provide one - for less than 80$ like on ebay?) but a signal generator. Why should I use a frequency of 400 Hz? Where do I make the tape sensitivity adjustments for the different tape types? Is it also on the main PCB? Do they affect each other? What about the bias settings? Are they different for each tape type? Thanks in advance for your effort. Regards, Sven From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of thomas Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:57 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem Hi Sven ; I agree with Willy. There is probably nothing wrong with the deck that head wear and age cannot explain. If you don't have a professional dolby calibration tape you can always make something that will work by recording a mono signal ( 400 hz ) on one of your other decks at 0 vu or a dolby mark if they have one and use it to set the BX 2's output levels for good channel balance. Then do the tape sensitivity adjustments for the different tape types. Bias will also change the sensitivity levels. It takes time to get everything set just right and match to your other decks. Have fun .       Thomas. From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jun 17 10:52:15 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:52:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone living in the UK willing to give me a hand? Message-ID: Dear all, the subject of this email is self-explanatory. I need to buy something only for sale in the UK. Anyone willing to help out? Thanks a lot, and best regards, Luis. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jun 17 10:52:45 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:52:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Anyone living in the UK willing to give me a hand? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please reply off-list, thanks! 2010/6/17 Luis Peromarta > Dear all, > > the subject of this email is self-explanatory. I need to buy something only > for sale in the UK. > > Anyone willing to help out? 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Thanks a lot, and best regards, > > Luis. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Thu Jun 17 15:39:10 2010 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:39:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gently used tapes -Last call II Message-ID: <380-220106417133910752@M2W110.mail2web.com> reposting and dropped price... Hi folks Just counted up everything and, unless one of my Deadhead buddies yields to my requests, this is the last batch of high quality tapes I have to sell. I am keeping a few tapes for sentimental reasons but they too may go if I decide to sell the BX300. For now, though, I have 7 Maxell XLII-S 90 8 Maxell XLII-S 100 1 Maxell MX 110 4 misc Hi Bias 90s(Memorex/BASF) 7 misc normal bias 90s (JVC/Fuji/TDK/Sony) I am asking $35 (includes postage). Anyway, if you are interested, drop a line, make an offer and I'll get back to you. thx Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Jun 17 15:51:06 2010 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:51:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] mics wanted Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking for a set of 3 mics for use with a Nak 550. I'm thinking of Shure Sm-59s or similar. Would mainly be used for recording a 4 piece music combo in the rehearsal room and at very small gigs. Thanks in advance, Fergus From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Thu Jun 17 17:29:16 2010 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:29:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] mics wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I have 3 Shure 1070D mics.Let me know.Regards,M On 6/17/10, Fergus Cullen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a set of 3 mics for use with a Nak 550. I'm thinking > of Shure Sm-59s or similar. Would mainly be used for recording a 4 > piece music combo in the rehearsal room and at very small gigs. > > Thanks in advance, > Fergus > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Jun 17 18:19:20 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:19:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Message-ID: <000301cb0e38$d81e8f70$885bae50$@utah.edu> Wow a non-functioning 1000ZXL went for over a thousand bucks on E-bay. Did someone on here win the bid? Vic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 18:07:54 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem In-Reply-To: <992009427.105049.1276758397483.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> Message-ID: <150013.98609.qm@web80601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Sven ; Sven ... The tape head probably just has some wear and manufacturing tolerances might explain the rest of the channel balance problem.You can make your own calibration tape by recording a -2 dB  400 Hz tone on one of your other decks that you think has the best channel balance. Dolby level is about 2 dB below the 0 vu mark. Some decks will have an actual Dolby mark on the meters. They use around 400 Hz because it is not affected to any extent by azimuth errors. My BX 2 is boxed up in storage but I think I remember the sensitivity and bias adjustments are in the front right side of the main circuit board. 6 pots for sensitivity and 6 for bias, one for each channel for all 3 types of tapes. I'm not sure but I think rotating them counterclockwise raised the levels ( try a small adjustment just to be sure , I might be wrong ). You might want to try recording tapes and if they sound good leave the bias settings where they are. The first adjustment you should make is the output level pots toward the back of the circuit board near the rca jacks, one will change the left playback level and one the right. I think there is also a meter or input adjustment for the channels, you probably don't need to adjust those. Use the calibration tape you made to bring up the left channel until it sounds good to you and then try recording to see if you even need to adjust the record sensitivity levels. Oh, and yes...the bias levels will affect the record sensitivity levels slightly. Good luck     Thomas. --- On Thu, 6/17/10, "Voß, Sven-Hendrik" wrote: From: "Voß, Sven-Hendrik" Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 3:06 AM Hi Thomas, do you mean there is presumably nothing wrong with the head? Unfortunatly I do not possess a professional dolby calibration tape (by the way, do you know someone who can provide one - for less than 80$ like on ebay?) but a signal generator. Why should I use a frequency of 400 Hz? Where do I make the tape sensitivity adjustments for the different tape types? Is it also on the main PCB? Do they affect each other? What about the bias settings? Are they different for each tape type? Thanks in advance for your effort. Regards, Sven From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of thomas Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:57 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem Hi Sven ; I agree with Willy. There is probably nothing wrong with the deck that head wear and age cannot explain. If you don't have a professional dolby calibration tape you can always make something that will work by recording a mono signal ( 400 hz ) on one of your other decks at 0 vu or a dolby mark if they have one and use it to set the BX 2's output levels for good channel balance. Then do the tape sensitivity adjustments for the different tape types. Bias will also change the sensitivity levels. It takes time to get everything set just right and match to your other decks. Have fun .       Thomas. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Jun 17 18:28:45 2010 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:28:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] mics wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No thanks. Not quite what I'm looking for. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:29 PM, MD wrote: > Hi, I have 3 Shure 1070D mics.Let me know.Regards,M > > On 6/17/10, Fergus Cullen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking for a set of 3 mics for use with a Nak 550. I'm thinking >> of Shure Sm-59s or similar. Would mainly be used for recording a 4 >> piece music combo in the rehearsal room and at very small gigs. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Fergus >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From denkedranjoe at googlemail.com Fri Jun 18 17:09:29 2010 From: denkedranjoe at googlemail.com (Denkedran Joe) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:09:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem In-Reply-To: <150013.98609.qm@web80601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <992009427.105049.1276758397483.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> <150013.98609.qm@web80601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Thomas, I am also interested in setting up my decks properly. So in the answer to Sven you referred to Dolby levels. Am I right in assuming that Dolby is turned off at the measurements, anyway? Regards, Joe 2010/6/17 thomas > Dolby level is about 2 dB below the 0 vu mark. Some decks will have an > actual Dolby mark on the meters. They use around 400 Hz because it is not > affected to any extent by azimuth errors. My BX 2 is boxed up in storage but > I think I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 21:52:00 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem In-Reply-To: <49255763.104995.1276757764808.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> References: <49255763.104995.1276757764808.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxmaster> Message-ID: <1751.4936.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> By 'REC inputs' I meant the RCA input connectors. Obviously, for this test, put in a blank cassette and place the deck in record mode. -- Ron ________________________________ From: "Voß, Sven-Hendrik" To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 2:56:04 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem Hi Ron, thanks for your reply. "Connect a signal source to both REC inputs in parallel...", which REC inputs do you mean. The ones on the main PCB or the head outputs? Regards, Sven From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:05 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 channel balance problem Some of the electronics is common to both REC and PB, so it is quite possible a single fault is causing the whole problem Connect a signal source to both REC inputs in parallel. An audio generator is ideal, but in a pinch, any audio source will do. 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URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sat Jun 19 13:29:57 2010 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:29:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help Message-ID: Hi everyone, I recently acquired a CR4E off ebay which has its level meters constantly lit at -20db when the Monitor switch is set to Source and -30db when it is set to the Tape position. This happens even when the input and output sockets are not connected to any source/Amp and the deck is just switched on in idle mode without any cassette in it. It plays the cassettes just fine but I haven't tried recording on it yet. Can someone please guide me what could be the problem and how to fix it? I already have a service manual for it so if there are any procedures which need to be performed then I can try. Any help will be appreciated. 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Jacques (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sat Jun 19 17:06:20 2010 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:06:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help In-Reply-To: <01706249-9DD3-494C-95B7-785B78D47741@club-internet.fr> References: , <01706249-9DD3-494C-95B7-785B78D47741@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: Hi Jaques, Thanks for your reply. This happens even without any cables connected with the deck just powered up without any cassette in the well. When a cassette is played it plays fine sound wise but the meters almost touch the +10db mark. But this is understandable as they are already at -30db to start with before hitting the play button. Also, with no cassette in the well I tested to see if I get any hum/hiss/pops or cracks by connecting a pair of headphones and turning the output knob to max but it is dead quiet with meters constantly lit at -30db for tape and -20db for source without any cables connected. Any ideas? Nadeem > From: chartz at club-internet.fr > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:27:33 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hello, > > My guess is bad connections and/or bad ground loop. 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URL: From SIMP at nyc.rr.com Sat Jun 19 18:11:54 2010 From: SIMP at nyc.rr.com (SIMProductions) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:11:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It could be just that the meter is not calibrated correctly. In the service manual, it will tell you how to set it up. On my 680ZX, I use a 200nWb/m tape and adjust so the meter shows 0db. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 11:06 AM To: NakTalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help Hi Jaques, Thanks for your reply. This happens even without any cables connected with the deck just powered up without any cassette in the well. When a cassette is played it plays fine sound wise but the meters almost touch the +10db mark. But this is understandable as they are already at -30db to start with before hitting the play button. Also, with no cassette in the well I tested to see if I get any hum/hiss/pops or cracks by connecting a pair of headphones and turning the output knob to max but it is dead quiet with meters constantly lit at -30db for tape and -20db for source without any cables connected. Any ideas? Nadeem > From: chartz at club-internet.fr > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:27:33 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hello, > > My guess is bad connections and/or bad ground loop. 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URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sun Jun 20 00:16:06 2010 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:16:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Gene, I will try to calibrate the level meter tomorrow. I remember having this very same discussion on NakTalk a couple of years ago on calibrating the level meters on a CR-4 deck. I still haven't been able to grasp what the CR-4 service manual actually means by "feed 400Hz and adjust the input level control to obtain 500mV -2db on the Voltmeter". Is anyone willing to shed some light on what exact voltage do I need to measure on the voltmeter? Is it simply 500mV or -2db below 500mV which is equal to 397mV? RegardsNadeem From: SIMP at nyc.rr.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:11:54 -0400 It could be just that the meter is not calibrated correctly. In the service manual, it will tell you how to set it up. On my 680ZX, I use a 200nWb/m tape and adjust so the meter shows 0db. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 11:06 AM To: NakTalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help Hi Jaques, Thanks for your reply. This happens even without any cables connected with the deck just powered up without any cassette in the well. When a cassette is played it plays fine sound wise but the meters almost touch the +10db mark. But this is understandable as they are already at -30db to start with before hitting the play button. Also, with no cassette in the well I tested to see if I get any hum/hiss/pops or cracks by connecting a pair of headphones and turning the output knob to max but it is dead quiet with meters constantly lit at -30db for tape and -20db for source without any cables connected. Any ideas? Nadeem > From: chartz at club-internet.fr > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:27:33 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hello, > > My guess is bad connections and/or bad ground loop. 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URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sun Jun 20 09:18:47 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 09:18:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help References: , Message-ID: Hi Nadeem! Use 500mV and lower it with -2db. Then adjust your deck so that the 0 dB just starts to illumunate. This method ensures that when 500mV is applied , 0 dB will be displayed correctly (without any flickering). Good luck/Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mercedes Benz To: NakTalk Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 12:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help Hi Gene, I will try to calibrate the level meter tomorrow. I remember having this very same discussion on NakTalk a couple of years ago on calibrating the level meters on a CR-4 deck. I still haven't been able to grasp what the CR-4 service manual actually means by "feed 400Hz and adjust the input level control to obtain 500mV -2db on the Voltmeter". Is anyone willing to shed some light on what exact voltage do I need to measure on the voltmeter? Is it simply 500mV or -2db below 500mV which is equal to 397mV? Regards Nadeem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: SIMP at nyc.rr.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:11:54 -0400 It could be just that the meter is not calibrated correctly. In the service manual, it will tell you how to set it up. On my 680ZX, I use a 200nWb/m tape and adjust so the meter shows 0db. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 11:06 AM To: NakTalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help Hi Jaques, Thanks for your reply. This happens even without any cables connected with the deck just powered up without any cassette in the well. When a cassette is played it plays fine sound wise but the meters almost touch the +10db mark. But this is understandable as they are already at -30db to start with before hitting the play button. Also, with no cassette in the well I tested to see if I get any hum/hiss/pops or cracks by connecting a pair of headphones and turning the output knob to max but it is dead quiet with meters constantly lit at -30db for tape and -20db for source without any cables connected. Any ideas? Nadeem > From: chartz at club-internet.fr > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:27:33 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hello, > > My guess is bad connections and/or bad ground loop. Have you tried with no cables at all? > > Jacques > > > > (\__/) > (='.'=) > (")_(") > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get a new e-mail account with Hotmail - Free. Sign-up now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 20 23:18:27 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Restoration In-Reply-To: <000301cb10a8$85331a20$8f994e60$@morgan@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <89219.125.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, Ben has. He did it at ESL. I had a partial restore on my Limited last April and the deck is now perfect. Again at ESL. Thanks.....Well its worth it IMHO due to the nature of sound the limited is capable of producing. Ram --- On Sun, 6/20/10, Paul Morgan wrote: From: Paul Morgan Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Restoration To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 2:43 PM Has anyone had a 1000ZXL Limited restored?  I received a quote for getting my Limited serviced and restored, but the cost is extremely high (about as much as a Limited sells for on the used market!).  Not sure if it’s worth the money.  Apparently they replace the parts known to fail over time, clean and lubricate the unit and perform a full alignment.  I would be interested to hear from anyone who has performed a restoration like this.  Thanks, Paul                         -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 05:36:29 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Off topic - Tascam 124AV In-Reply-To: <89219.125.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <89219.125.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <366622.42154.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just found out about the Tascam 124AV.  This deck uses standard cassette tapes, but, uses it in 2 track mode (not standard 4 track, 2 tracks in each direction).  Tracks are spaced further apart and give better crosstalk separation.  Supposedly better head room and therefore better S/N (according to one thing I read).  This deck could record each track independantly too.  Play left channel while recording right channel and vice versa.  I wonder if Philips got all over their case for non conformity like they did with Nakamichi's 1/2 speed modes on the 680? Scott J. Here is the blurb I read in case you're interested http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=283563 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Jun 21 06:28:59 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:28:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic - Tascam 124AV In-Reply-To: <366622.42154.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <89219.125.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <366622.42154.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would bet that Philips wanted only one thing from Teac Corporation --- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Put simply, the two-track approach gives you MORE OXIDE to work with in recording the signal. I've repaired Tascam cassette decks for many years, and, though they are not as high-fidelity as Naks, in a commercial setting they are incredibly rugged and reliable. To this day, Teac still provides limited product support on them (pinch rollers, idler assemblies), though -- based on recent ordering experiences -- this support is coming to a close. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: > I just found out about the Tascam 124AV. This deck uses standard cassette > tapes, but, uses it in 2 track mode (not standard 4 track, 2 tracks in each > direction). Tracks are spaced further apart and give better crosstalk > separation. Supposedly better head room and therefore better S/N (according > to one thing I read). This deck could record each track independantly too. > Play left channel while recording right channel and vice versa. > > I wonder if Philips got all over their case for non conformity like they > did with Nakamichi's 1/2 speed modes on the 680? > > Scott J. > > Here is the blurb I read in case you're interested > http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=283563 > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I received a quote for > getting my Limited serviced and restored, but the cost is extremely high > (about as much as a Limited sells for on the used market!). Not sure if > it’s worth the money. Apparently they replace the parts known to fail over > time, clean and lubricate the unit and perform a full alignment. 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URL: From reddog23 at cox.net Mon Jun 21 19:10:02 2010 From: reddog23 at cox.net (Reddog) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:10:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Value of 700ZXE Message-ID: <001d01cb1164$96333050$c29990f0$@net> Members.. I have a 700ZXE in excellent condition with the Dolby C add on and the wireless remote add on.. Might I ask what the going value of this setup would be as I am getting ready to post it for sale..?? Many thanks in advance for your thoughts Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Might I ask what the going value of this setup would be as I am getting ready to post it for sale..??   Many thanks in advance for your thoughts   Ken       -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 23 04:49:47 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:49:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Sells for Over $4,000 Message-ID: Has anyone made a note that a 1000ZXL Limited sold for over $4K on Ebay. Local pick up only. Item number 110545934181. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 23 05:31:55 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:31:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FM Tuner with Multi-Path Outputs Message-ID: I bought my first Nak 680 cassette deck (super!) along with a Nikko Gamma V FM tuner. My question is off line if anyone can help since this is the first FM tuner I owned with multi-path outputs. On the variable and fixed outputs, I get no sound. On the multi-path outputs, I get clear 100% sound on the horizontal output, but 0% sound on the vertical output. Removing the cover, it appears like there's RCA jacks for IF out, F out, and ANT out. I checked for on line advice, but no luck. Again, I have no idea if some output connections need to be jumped or? If anyone can help, please email me directly. It would be greatly appreciated. The Nikko Gamma V FM tuner pulls in hard to reach FM stations just like the Nak ST-7 AM/FM tuner! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Jun 23 05:59:41 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX 202 FF and RR Revival Message-ID: <352889.11909.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Luis, The idler tire was the RX for the RX  :>) She's working very well and sounding marvelous even with 2 heads. Fred in CT  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Wed Jun 23 13:46:47 2010 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 07:46:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FM Tuner with Multi-Path Outputs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D30515EE@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Mark, The Multipath outputs are used to feed the X and Y inputs of an oscilloscope to allow you to adjust your antenna for minimum multipath distortion. I've used a scope with my tuners for years to minimize distortion. As far as no audio on your tuner, I'm betting that IC 301 the Hitachi HA11223W has died. The Horizontal Output samples audio from the input to the MPX decoder stage. The Vertical output is sampled from the IF stages in IC 105 which also drives the signal strength meter. It is a DC signal that varies with signal strength. The o 'scope trace should be a nice smooth curve. If the trace has ripples in it, there is Multipath distortion and the antenna needs to be rotated to minimize the multiple signals reaching the tuner. Hope that helps! Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com [cid:image001.jpg at 01CB12A5.EC7426D0] From: Mark Exstedt [mailto:mark8559 at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] FM Tuner with Multi-Path Outputs I bought my first Nak 680 cassette deck (super!) along with a Nikko Gamma V FM tuner. My question is off line if anyone can help since this is the first FM tuner I owned with multi-path outputs. On the variable and fixed outputs, I get no sound. On the multi-path outputs, I get clear 100% sound on the horizontal output, but 0% sound on the vertical output. Removing the cover, it appears like there's RCA jacks for IF out, F out, and ANT out. I checked for on line advice, but no luck. Again, I have no idea if some output connections need to be jumped or? If anyone can help, please email me directly. It would be greatly appreciated. The Nikko Gamma V FM tuner pulls in hard to reach FM stations just like the Nak ST-7 AM/FM tuner! ________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 9244 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See how. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Wed Jun 23 19:32:14 2010 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:32:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FM Tuner with Multi-Path Outputs References: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D30515EE@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <002901cb12fa$055c4c50$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Doug, that is some VERY cool info, thanks for sharing your knowledge! Cheers, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Guth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] FM Tuner with Multi-Path Outputs Hi Mark, The Multipath outputs are used to feed the X and Y inputs of an oscilloscope to allow you to adjust your antenna for minimum multipath distortion. I've used a scope with my tuners for years to minimize distortion. As far as no audio on your tuner, I'm betting that IC 301 the Hitachi HA11223W has died. The Horizontal Output samples audio from the input to the MPX decoder stage. The Vertical output is sampled from the IF stages in IC 105 which also drives the signal strength meter. It is a DC signal that varies with signal strength. The o 'scope trace should be a nice smooth curve. If the trace has ripples in it, there is Multipath distortion and the antenna needs to be rotated to minimize the multiple signals reaching the tuner. Hope that helps! Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com From: Mark Exstedt [mailto:mark8559 at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] FM Tuner with Multi-Path Outputs I bought my first Nak 680 cassette deck (super!) along with a Nikko Gamma V FM tuner. My question is off line if anyone can help since this is the first FM tuner I owned with multi-path outputs. On the variable and fixed outputs, I get no sound. On the multi-path outputs, I get clear 100% sound on the horizontal output, but 0% sound on the vertical output. Removing the cover, it appears like there's RCA jacks for IF out, F out, and ANT out. I checked for on line advice, but no luck. Again, I have no idea if some output connections need to be jumped or? If anyone can help, please email me directly. It would be greatly appreciated. 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Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                 LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 24 20:32:38 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:32:38 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] FM Tuner with Multi-Path Outputs In-Reply-To: <002901cb12fa$055c4c50$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: , <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD462D30515EE@mail.mmsav.com>, <002901cb12fa$055c4c50$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Thank you Doug for the info. You are correct. There's a Hitachi 9C2 HA11223W chip under the cover. Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:32:14 -0600 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] FM Tuner with Multi-Path Outputs To: naktalk at naks.com Doug, that is some VERY cool info, thanks for sharing your knowledge! Cheers, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Guth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] FM Tuner with Multi-Path Outputs Hi Mark, The Multipath outputs are used to feed the X and Y inputs of an oscilloscope to allow you to adjust your antenna for minimum multipath distortion. I’ve used a scope with my tuners for years to minimize distortion. As far as no audio on your tuner, I’m betting that IC 301 the Hitachi HA11223W has died. The Horizontal Output samples audio from the input to the MPX decoder stage. The Vertical output is sampled from the IF stages in IC 105 which also drives the signal strength meter. It is a DC signal that varies with signal strength. The o ‘scope trace should be a nice smooth curve. If the trace has ripples in it, there is Multipath distortion and the antenna needs to be rotated to minimize the multiple signals reaching the tuner. Hope that helps! Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com From: Mark Exstedt [mailto:mark8559 at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] FM Tuner with Multi-Path Outputs I bought my first Nak 680 cassette deck (super!) along with a Nikko Gamma V FM tuner. My question is off line if anyone can help since this is the first FM tuner I owned with multi-path outputs. On the variable and fixed outputs, I get no sound. On the multi-path outputs, I get clear 100% sound on the horizontal output, but 0% sound on the vertical output. Removing the cover, it appears like there's RCA jacks for IF out, F out, and ANT out. I checked for on line advice, but no luck. Again, I have no idea if some output connections need to be jumped or? If anyone can help, please email me directly. It would be greatly appreciated. The Nikko Gamma V FM tuner pulls in hard to reach FM stations just like the Nak ST-7 AM/FM tuner! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 9244 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From kulak at ozemail.com.au Fri Jun 25 01:41:33 2010 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:41:33 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] schematics and parts list for NR-100 In-Reply-To: <001001cb13cf$476ee8c0$d64cba40$@utah.edu> References: <001001cb13cf$476ee8c0$d64cba40$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Victor, Refer to the Wiki, under Black Box Series Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Gabrenas" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 4:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] schematics and parts list for NR-100 > Any Ideas where I could find one? I am having trouble identifying a cap > C324 > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Fri Jun 25 18:30:42 2010 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:30:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: Hi Pelle, Thanks for the advice, I did exactly what you said and the meters work fine now. Thanks once again. RegardsNadeem From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 09:18:47 +0200 Hi Nadeem! Use 500mV and lower it with -2db. Then adjust your deck so that the 0 dB just starts to illumunate. This method ensures that when 500mV is applied , 0 dB will be displayed correctly (without any flickering). Good luck/Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mercedes Benz To: NakTalk Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 12:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help Hi Gene, I will try to calibrate the level meter tomorrow. I remember having this very same discussion on NakTalk a couple of years ago on calibrating the level meters on a CR-4 deck. I still haven't been able to grasp what the CR-4 service manual actually means by "feed 400Hz and adjust the input level control to obtain 500mV -2db on the Voltmeter". Is anyone willing to shed some light on what exact voltage do I need to measure on the voltmeter? Is it simply 500mV or -2db below 500mV which is equal to 397mV? Regards Nadeem From: SIMP at nyc.rr.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:11:54 -0400 It could be just that the meter is not calibrated correctly. In the service manual, it will tell you how to set it up. On my 680ZX, I use a 200nWb/m tape and adjust so the meter shows 0db. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 11:06 AM To: NakTalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help Hi Jaques, Thanks for your reply. This happens even without any cables connected with the deck just powered up without any cassette in the well. When a cassette is played it plays fine sound wise but the meters almost touch the +10db mark. But this is understandable as they are already at -30db to start with before hitting the play button. Also, with no cassette in the well I tested to see if I get any hum/hiss/pops or cracks by connecting a pair of headphones and turning the output knob to max but it is dead quiet with meters constantly lit at -30db for tape and -20db for source without any cables connected. Any ideas? Nadeem > From: chartz at club-internet.fr > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-4E Level meters constantly lit when idle - need help > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:27:33 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hello, > > My guess is bad connections and/or bad ground loop. Have you tried with no cables at all? > > Jacques > > > > (\__/) > (='.'=) > (")_(") > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Get a new e-mail account with Hotmail - Free. Sign-up now. Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Jun 26 05:42:58 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 20:42:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FM Tuner with Multi-Path Outputs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something is wrong. You should get a standardized output level at the fixed outputs, and a level controlled by a frontpanel potentiometer on the variable outputs. The way the multi-path is set up, it is intended to drive an oscilloscope, so that that scope can be used as a "meter" to adjust the antenna for minimum multipath. If you got this on eBay or Audiogon, then it was probably shipped to you. I would examine the unit VERY closely for physical damage associated with transport. Oh . . . and if you did get it via Fed-Ex or UPS, make sure you save the box! Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > I bought my first Nak 680 cassette deck (super!) along with a Nikko Gamma V > FM tuner. > > My question is off line if anyone can help since this is the first FM tuner > I owned with multi-path outputs. > On the variable and fixed outputs, I get no sound. > On the multi-path outputs, I get clear 100% sound on the horizontal output, > but 0% sound on the vertical output. > Removing the cover, it appears like there's RCA jacks for IF out, F out, > and ANT out. > I checked for on line advice, but no luck. > Again, I have no idea if some output connections need to be jumped or? > If anyone can help, please email me directly. It would be greatly > appreciated. > > The Nikko Gamma V FM tuner pulls in hard to reach FM stations just like the > * Nak ST-7 AM/FM tuner!* > > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. 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It gives out stereophile sound through the Adcom 535 amp and the Infinity Reference E-L speakers! Ebay item number: 130399540140 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Jun 28 23:11:05 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FS: NOS Maxell XLII 110 xassettes Message-ID: <921354.35153.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> For sale: one NOS package of 10 Maxell XLII 110 cassettes, still in the factory shrink wrap. Comes with a cool fabric storage case. $55 plus actual shipping (2 lb. from zip 01702). -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We can discuss that too here ? I have a K 950 or 960 that seems to have a few belts that are dead. Is it any good ? Worth fixing. Looks like new ... I have a bunch of other decks including a onkyo r1 I use regularly. Cool. Srinath. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 3:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The $10.49 Cassette Deck There's still deals out there on Ebay. Won this cassette deck on a Sunday night and picked it up locally for $10.49 + sales tax. It's like brand new, only with marks on the pinch rollers showing that tapes have been played. It gives out stereophile sound through the Adcom 535 amp and the Infinity Reference E-L speakers! Ebay item number: 130399540140 ________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. 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Send me an emaiol at marc at stager.com g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2010\2010-March.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From gstrahle at chariot.net.au Mon Mar 1 03:55:05 2010 From: gstrahle at chariot.net.au (Graham Strahle) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:25:05 +1030 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX eject problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94D8A5AE-BAD8-4D04-BD79-5C5223936492@chariot.net.au> Quick question about 'plastic welder', do you have more information about this product please Tom? A brief google got me to hair-drier sorts of devices for car repairs... I need to repair the fingerlift on the plastic headshell on my Micro Seiki tonearm. It snapped clean off (damn), and I suspect glue won't be strong enough to bond it back on. Thankfully my 680zx doesn't need any fixing....yet. As Paul says it's built like a tank. Thanks, Graham On 01/03/2010, at 8:16 AM, tom brucker wrote: > Paul, > Welcome to NakTalk. > I hope the plastic pin that attaches the pneumatic to the holder > hasn't broken. Remove the knobs, top, and the 6 screws holding the > front panel. Fold the front down at right angle and use a book > beneath the deck so you dont strain the wires. With lick the tiny > clip holding the white pneumatic onto the holder is missing. Look at > greasy areas where it sticks or use a small magnet to try and > retreive it. If the plastic has broken buy a product advertised as > "plastic welder" to repair it. Glue will not work. > > To realign your door find the 4 large screws that secure the > transport to the front plate. If you loosen these you will be able > to slide the transport from side to side. Temporarily install the > front and align the transport so the door is centered. Mark the top > rail for reference, remove the front, and tighten the screws. > > tom brucker > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Paul M > Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:09 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX eject problem > > Hello everyone, > > I am rather new to Naktalk, this is my first message, I hope this > works! > First of all I must admit that I have been scouring the lists for a > few months, and I am blown away > by the great wealth of info the members have collected here. This > community is truly amazing. > > My first Nak is a CR-3A, bought used in the early 90's, it has > served me well until it stopped, literally. > I had it "repaired" about ten years ago, a motor issue, a local > service got it running but it stopped again six months later. > ....... Last December I thought I would try to get it going again, I > discovered Naktalk and figured I might as well try to fix it. > Sure enough, a few squirts of Deoxit did the trick. > So I have been bit by the Nak bug!!! > > Thanks to ebay, now I have a decent looking, performing 680ZX, and I > must say it is a different animal entirely, built like a tank. > It records very well and playback is perfect. When I checked out > some of my old tapes, I noticed it sounding slow, > so I adjusted it up to speed. Great, sounds right to me. > I found that the cassette door was chafing a little against the door > frame, I thought I could make the action a little smoother > by pushing the door to the right a bit. I heard a faint click, oh > oh, not good. > Now the pneumatic eject action is gone, I still can eject by pulling > the door out manually, but that s**ks. > I can't see anything broken, it is a tight space, don't see what is > wrong with the mechanism. > I'm sure somebody here has some idea? > > Thank you, > Paul > > ps: I do have a service manual > > > Not using Hotmail on your phone? Why not? Get it now. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Mon Mar 1 12:53:14 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 06:53:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphone CM-300 Message-ID: <9C09E277CF5C4FA78D27534CEA1CCD7A@RaysLaptop> Hello Tom, The Nakamichi CM-300 microphone also has interchangeable capsules. They are cardoid, and omni directional. Im not sure about the other models you mentioned, but seems there were uite a few Nakamichi Mics. and I wouldn't be surprised if they went up in quality, as the model number increased. I was able to find user manual online free for the cm-300, but didn't try to find the others. I hear the batteries for these Nak Mic's are becoming very hard to find, if not impossible. Thanks, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Mon Mar 1 14:11:33 2010 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:11:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Donor parts (Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v?) In-Reply-To: <201003011128.o21B8RkL003546@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4A542FFD000D1EAC@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Hi Norman, There is a "parts deck program" here in Naktalk. Anyone can donate a unused/broken deck by asking here who wants to collect. In the States I've seen a few exchanges of parts decks and I saw Wouter once opting for a donated deck here in the Netherlands. I've kept a few broken Sankyo decks and 480 deck in my storage for used parts. If you, Wouter or anyone else close by need anything, we can help each other out. Sending parts abroad seems less efficient. I do not have specific Dragon parts (except 5 adjustment knob covers which fit the Dragon and ZX-7/9 machines. Alas, not the complete set of 6 !) I do have the 480 with 220 volt transformer, but I doubt it is the same as in a Dragon. Who knows? Happy listening, Henk Schenk www.nakamich-schenk.nl >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- >From: "Norman van Wijnen" >Subject: [naktalk] Donor parts (Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v?) >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: <139F5A6EDCF14157B41AC923B9142938 at asus8an32dlx> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi, > >maybe we can make a kind of exchange place for donor parts? >I have here a 220 Volt BX100 donor deck and also a 482 . >There are probably many Naktalkers with donor decks? > >Regards Norman >************************************** From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Mar 1 17:01:32 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 08:01:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX eject problem In-Reply-To: <201003011117.o21B8RkK003546@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003011117.o21B8RkK003546@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <804027.66629.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Graham, I know you addressed this to Tom, but I have considerable experience with various plastic 'menders'. Most people defect to JB Weld, which is a pretty good epoxy.....their 'five minute formula' though has approximately half the strength of the regular. A better epoxy IMHO is Devcon Liquid Steel. Then there are two-part products like Plastic Welder that are made specifically for plastic. The problem with plastics, including ABS and PVC is that they all have different properties and respond to epoxies and bonds differently. Some types won't bond at all, no matter what you use. The auto plastic welders actually melt a stick of similar plastic to the broken part itself. Again, you have to identify what plastic you are working with. Given that your broken area/part is so small, the auto welder you found online wouldn't be practical. Some plastics respond very well to a clean soldering tip from a soldering iron-going deep into the crack and then smoothing the repair with heat. However, that can also make the plastic brittle, chemically changing it forever and the repair will fail. Again, it's all about identifying the type plastic you're working with. If your tone arm happens to be ABS, you can use ABS glue that is used in plumbing pipe to bond waste & venting joints. That would be a very easy repair: by dabbing into the can with a toothpick and then apply to the joint, holding the pieces together for a couple of minutes. If the tone arm is carbon fiber...you have a real challenge as it may reject any epoxies. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:25:05 +1030 From: Graham Strahle Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX eject problem To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <94D8A5AE-BAD8-4D04-BD79-5C5223936492 at chariot.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Quick question about 'plastic welder', do you have more information about this product please Tom? A brief google got me to hair-drier sorts of devices for car repairs... I need to repair the fingerlift on the plastic headshell on my Micro Seiki tonearm. It snapped clean off (damn), and I suspect glue won't be strong enough to bond it back on. Thankfully my 680zx doesn't need any fixing....yet. As Paul says it's built like a tank. Thanks, Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Mar 1 23:37:30 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:37:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 brightening plasma display Message-ID: <1194765991-1267483100-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399927067-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hello all, The plasma display on my T-100 will occasionally flash very bright, regardless of signal. It seems to be ambient temperature related. It never does it when cold, only if it's been on a few hours. If anyone knows if this is a common issue and where to start looking for the cause, I would be very appreciative. I have most all test gear and the SM, just point me in the right direction. Thanks! Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From fripp_em at yahoo.com Mon Mar 1 23:54:41 2010 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:54:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphone CM-300 In-Reply-To: <9C09E277CF5C4FA78D27534CEA1CCD7A@RaysLaptop> Message-ID: <699390.24375.qm@web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is close to the ones I ordered from RS and replaces the NEDA 1611 so should work. I think the one I ordered last year was Item: 2309021 9V Electric General Purpose (C-Z) Battery which doesn't show up. try the one below. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3958322 David --- On Mon, 3/1/10, Ray Riendeau wrote: > > Hello Tom, >                     > > The Nakamichi CM-300 microphone also has interchangeable > capsules. They are > cardoid, and omni directional.  Im not sure about the > other models you > mentioned, but seems there were uite a few Nakamichi Mics. > and I wouldn't be > surprised if they went up in quality, as the model number > increased. I was able > to find user manual online free for the cm-300, but > didn't try to find the > others. I hear the batteries for these Nak Mic's > are becoming very hard to > find, if not impossible.   Thanks, > Ray > From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Mar 2 05:40:37 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:40:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 brightening plasma display In-Reply-To: <1194765991-1267483100-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399927067-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1194765991-1267483100-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399927067-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4b6f92901003012040r240ec4bel9bae019e4128338f@mail.gmail.com> Let me know what it is when you find it. One of mine has been doing the same thing for years -- I seem to have the time to fix everybodyelses stuff but not get around to my own. Willy On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:37 PM, wrote: > Hello all, > The plasma display on my T-100 will > occasionally flash very bright, regardless of signal. It seems to be > ambient temperature related. It never does it when cold, only if it's been > on a few hours. If anyone knows if this is a common issue and where to start > looking for the cause, I would be very appreciative. I have most all test > gear and the SM, just point me in the right direction. Thanks! Perry > Esposito > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmcmanus at cox.net Tue Mar 2 02:46:30 2010 From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:46:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 transport problem Message-ID: <20100301204630.1U3FI.900715.imail@eastrmwml31> Hi guys, well I decided to just do without the fast forward and rewind on this deck. But ,now all of sudden It won't play. The idler motor is stubborn,when I spin it with my finger it moves ,but won't stay running. At this point I'm about to drill a hole in the side of the motor and flood it with tuner cleaner,yikes!!! This is a great looking deck. I do not think the cabinet cover has ever been removed so no one has ever messed with it, I wish it would just work. I need some guidence please. Thanks, Steve From reformedtaper at hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 04:12:43 2010 From: reformedtaper at hotmail.com (ReformedTaper) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 21:12:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphones Message-ID: Everyone, Regarding Nakamichi Microphones and Sony WMD-6 c, as one of the below mentioned Dead Tapers and owner of many portable decks Nak 550, Sony TCM-D5, Sony WM D6, Sony TCD D10 Pro II DAT and several microphones including Nak CM-300s, AKG 451s, AKG 414s, and a Sony ECM 939, I can add some value here. Nakamichi made many condenser mics. The CM-50 was a lavalier michrophone. The CM-100 which is their basic microphone that I believe Tom was referencing as their basic microphone. It was also billed as the budget version of the CM-300. It came with a single cardiod capsule, the CP1, but used the same interchangeable capsules that fit the CM 300. Their next mic which was a step up is the CM-300 a lower noise version of the CM-100. That came stock with the CP1 capsule and CP2 capsule, omni and cardiod. There was a CP-3 super omni capsule as well as the CP-4 shotgun. The CM 300s and 100s are readily available to contradict Tom, not the CM 700s. Both the CM100/CM300 were sold as single mics and in tri sets to work with the 500/550/700/1000 decks that had three mic inputs, left, right and blend, not to forget the MX-100 external mixer. The CM-700s are as described below by Tom with smaller diaphrams than the CM 100/300. They came with the CP701/CP702 cardiod and omni capsules. There was also a CP703 shotgun, but I do not think there was ever a super omni for the CM700s. These were a higher quality, lower noise mic than the CM-300s. I agree with what everyone said about the CM700s, great microphone. Then there are the CM-1000s they came with CP101 and CP102 cardiod and super omni capsules. The CM1000s had external power supplies that were XLR in and out. I never saw a pair of these, they were very limited production. Nak also made two dynamic mics the DM 500 and the DM-1000. Anyone with a pair or three set of the CM-700s or CM 1000s, they don't want feel free to contact me. Batteries for the CM 100 were standard AA reflecting the consumer nature of the mic. Batteries for the CM300s were mercury 9.1 volt Panasonic H-7D/A, or Mallory TR126 type batteries. The slightly larger and still available Eveready E-126 is a good substitute. The CM300s ran on 8.4 to 10 volts. The CM700s used a different battery a 6 volt silver oxide, Eveready 544. Now to address the D6, be careful plugging mics into its input. I would suggest using either stereo mini female to male cable before the microphone cable, to make sure you do not put unwanted pressure on the jack. The sodder joints between the jack and the board are easily broken. If you are using a stereo mic with a mini stereo output like many of the sony mics that helps. One thing I have used to take the pressure off the input is to put together two mini female to male elbow adapters in a series. You will find that anything plugged into the second elbow will move freely and not disturb the input jack. Less connections being better, a mini female to male cable out of the deck before the mics is better than elbows, but that assumes you are ok with more cable out of your deck. Jeff Heymann- sometimes a reformedtaper at hotmail.com, I had given up taping for about 10 years, and now only tape every year or two..... Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:46:05 -0600 From: "tom brucker" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphones To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nakamichi had a series of microphone. The CM300 was a basic condensor mic. CM500 exists, but I can't recall anything about them. CM700 mics had interchangeable capsules and smaller diaphrams. They shipped with omni and cardoid capsules, and the shotgun was optional. The CM1000 was selected for highest performance. CM700 are the easiest to find, as these were popular with Dead tapers who bought 3 to use with the 550 recorder. The CM 700 is an incredibly good mic. Colorless, rugged, not too much bass tip if used close up in cardoid. I would highly recommend these as comparable to AKG condensors (small diaphram). I pass on a true story. We had an engineer that would buy omni capsules 10 at a time. He was using them to measure the power (air pressure) of explosives! He estimated the CM700 was linear to +145dBm !! I believe the explosions often destroyed the capsules. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ray Riendeau Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 7:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphones Hello, Thank you Fred for answering my post regarding microphones for my Sony WM-D6C Walkman Recorder. As I say, I have never done any Microphone recording with this unit, yet it has a very good reputation besides being a good quality component recorder/player, it's also a quality recorder for journalism and Bootlegging of concerts. I would like to get into the recording area of using a Microphone with this WM-D6C Portable. All of the Sony Electret Condenser Microphones I mentioned, were recommended as being great matches with this unit, and all are discontinued. The ECM 900 series of Mic's can be had on Auction Sites, below $100.00....I have also seen Sony ECM-700 series of Mic's that are reported as good too, they are all stereo Mic's. As for Nakamichi Microphones, Im sure they would have to be good as well, especially from the 1980's era. I wonder if they had the small 1/8 inch headphone style connectors on the end of them. Also, if they made any stereo microphones?? Sony ECM stereo Mic's hada neat feature, that was 2 capsules in the Mic. One of them was for recording an individual on stage, like vocalist, and by sliding a switch, you could record all of the participants on stage. Neat feature. I appreciate any suggestions for a Microphone to use with my WM-D6C....I am going to look for Nakamichi Mic's second hand. Thanks, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What do you guys think? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ScHenk Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Donor parts (Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v?) Hi Norman, There is a "parts deck program" here in Naktalk. Anyone can donate a unused/broken deck by asking here who wants to collect. In the States I've seen a few exchanges of parts decks and I saw Wouter once opting for a donated deck here in the Netherlands. I've kept a few broken Sankyo decks and 480 deck in my storage for used parts. If you, Wouter or anyone else close by need anything, we can help each other out. Sending parts abroad seems less efficient. I do not have specific Dragon parts (except 5 adjustment knob covers which fit the Dragon and ZX-7/9 machines. Alas, not the complete set of 6 !) I do have the 480 with 220 volt transformer, but I doubt it is the same as in a Dragon. Who knows? Happy listening, Henk Schenk www.nakamich-schenk.nl >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- >From: "Norman van Wijnen" >Subject: [naktalk] Donor parts (Converting Dragon from 220v to 110v?) >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: <139F5A6EDCF14157B41AC923B9142938 at asus8an32dlx> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi, > >maybe we can make a kind of exchange place for donor parts? >I have here a 220 Volt BX100 donor deck and also a 482 . >There are probably many Naktalkers with donor decks? > >Regards Norman >************************************** ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dbauer45 at comcast.net Tue Mar 2 04:31:21 2010 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (dbauer45 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 03:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues In-Reply-To: <803022267.10934321267500431238.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1152903179.10935601267500681524.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Nakkers, There is a very nice 680ZX in my listening room purchased off of eBay a while back.  Some time ago, this forum assisted in getting its fluorescent display back in operation with the replacement of a couple of the orange caps.  I do not recall at this point who suggested the cap replacement, but he was spot on with that diagnosis and which caps were the culprits. As my luck would have it, my preamp went out just as I was about to begin to use the deck for recording.  So now many months later, the rest of the system is working and ready to go.  As I put the deck through azimuth alignment and recording level adjustment, I found a problem or problems with the front panel knob adjustments.  (The head alignment seems to work fine) First, when the output level knob is turned, the output will drop out at certain spots and send grainy noise through the system.  This only happens while the knob is turning.  Let go and the output is OK. The second issue in nearly identical to the first and is an issue with the concentric left/right record level knobs and the master record level knob. While the deck is recording, if the left record level knob is turned, the left channel signal will drop out at spots.  The right channel record level seems to work smoothly.  Gentle sideways pressure on the rec level knob will also make the left channel drop out.  If the Master record level knob is turned, the left channel will again drop out in spots along the rotation. >From my limited knowledge of electronics, these symptoms might be caused by debris in the potentiometers.  I am assuming that there are potentiometers behind these knobs that control the signal levels.  I would also guess that there may be one or more lead wires that may no longer be securely attached. The deck has not yet been opened, buy I will have a look inside for loose wires in the coming days.  Does anyone have suggestions for a fix if it is not a wire issue?  Can the pots be disassembled, cleaned and reassembled easily?  Or is my guess off on this one? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. 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Willy On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:37 PM, wrote: Hello all, The plasma display on my T-100 will occasionally flash very bright, regardless of signal. It seems to be ambient temperature related. It never does it when cold, only if it's been on a few hours. If anyone knows if this is a common issue and where to start looking for the cause, I would be very appreciative. I have most all test gear and the SM, just point me in the right direction. Thanks! Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Tue Mar 2 16:01:36 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:01:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 brightening plasma display In-Reply-To: <1194765991-1267483100-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399927067-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Perry, It happens in some units. I ignore it. the display is fragile. It has internal circuitry etched into the glass that may be the cause of this glitch. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] T-100 brightening plasma display Hello all, The plasma display on my T-100 will occasionally flash very bright, regardless of signal. It seems to be ambient temperature related. It never does it when cold, only if it's been on a few hours. If anyone knows if this is a common issue and where to start looking for the cause, I would be very appreciative. I have most all test gear and the SM, just point me in the right direction. Thanks! Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Mar 2 15:27:11 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 06:27:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nakamichi Microphone CM-300 In-Reply-To: <201003021117.o22B8Agt009034@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003021117.o22B8Agt009034@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <474549.32930.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I have the tri-set of Nak's CM-300's for recording on the 700ZXL-original box, traveling case etc. I thought at first the batteries were going to be nearly impossible to find and I almost killed the sale. But the seller found a link for the Eveready NO.206's. They work fine. Kevin ________________________________ Hello Tom, The Nakamichi CM-300 microphone also has interchangeable capsules. They are cardoid, and omni directional. Im not sure about the other models you mentioned, but seems there were uite a few Nakamichi Mics. and I wouldn't be surprised if they went up in quality, as the model number increased. I was able to find user manual online free for the cm-300, but didn't try to find the others. I hear the batteries for these Nak Mic's are becoming very hard to find, if not impossible. Thanks, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is also one of the few amps that touted "low distortion" (IIRC THD=0.004%) that actually SOUNDED low distortion! Since the 620 could be bridged using the "black box" adaptor, a single 620 works just fine with 4 ohm speakers. Power seems much higher than the rated 60 w/ch. tom brucker _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca Wed Mar 3 00:27:05 2010 From: jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca (Jason Woolman) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 15:27:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Message-ID: Greetings all, I am looking for a pair of CR-7As to digitize oral histories. If anyone has any available or a lead they are willing to share it would be very much appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Jason Woolman Senior Archivist/RM Specialist Musqueam First Nation 6735 Salish Drive Vancouver, BC V6N 4C4 Phone: (604) 269-3346 Fax: (604) 263-4212 jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca Confidentiality Note: This message is Confidential. It is intended only for the person(s) or organizations(s) named above and any other use or disclosure is strictly forbidden. If this message is received by anyone else, please notify the sender by return email, and delete the message. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Wed Mar 3 04:48:05 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:48:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] T-100 brightening plasma display Message-ID: <898934.68921.qm@web113706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Perry and Willy I haven't had that symptom before, but from looking at the circuit, a likely suspect would be Q709 on the Display PCB. If this transistor was breaking down, it would provide a higher voltage to the display anode at these times. As this transistor supplies only a small current to the display, it is entirely likely that it wouldn't be destroyed by intermittent breakdowns, and would simply keep breaking down every so often. It's Vcer is specified as 300V - I couldn't find a spec for Vceosus. I have had multiple instances of the capacitors in the voltage multiplier needing replacement - but this fault doesn't cause a display bright up. If you are replacing Q709 or removing it for breakdown testing (Vceosus), it might be an idea to check capacitors C705, C706, C707, and C708. They are all 10uF 160V and do fail. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:37:30 +0000 From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] T-100 brightening plasma display To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <1194765991-1267483100-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399927067- at bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hello all, The plasma display on my T-100 will occasionally flash very bright, regardless of signal. It seems to be ambient temperature related. It never does it when cold, only if it's been on a few hours. If anyone knows if this is a common issue and where to start looking for the cause, I would be very appreciative. I have most all test gear and the SM, just point me in the right direction. Thanks! Perry Esposito Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Message: 6 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:40:37 -0800 From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] T-100 brightening plasma display To: perry.nak at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4b6f92901003012040r240ec4bel9bae019e4128338f at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Let me know what it is when you find it. One of mine has been doing the same thing for years -- I seem to have the time to fix everybodyelses stuff but not get around to my own. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gstrahle at chariot.net.au Wed Mar 3 05:35:12 2010 From: gstrahle at chariot.net.au (Graham Strahle) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:05:12 +1030 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX eject problem In-Reply-To: <804027.66629.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <201003011117.o21B8RkK003546@zxe.naks.com> <804027.66629.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <239A1A0C-B136-4099-B726-7A26BD231B50@chariot.net.au> Thanks Kevin, your advice very much appreciated. I came across Devcon and Versachem Plastic Welder (apparently the same company, ITW Consumer) and these looked good, both claiming 3500 psi strength, way more than epoxy or superglue. But it looks like guesswork until the type of plastic is known. My headshell is a hard rigid molded plastic piece, it plugs into a carbon-fibre arm tube. I'm not sure at all how to tell if ABS or other type of plastic, without burning slivers of it (!!). Maybe it can only be determined by Fourier Infrared Spectroscopy?! - there's a place in India (Spectro Analytical Labs Ltd, Delhi) where you send samples and they test and find out exactly what type of plastic, using this technique. This might be the go with plastic parts in Nak decks. But to save $$s, I'm thinking it might be simplest to apply tiny bits of different glues/epoxies underneath the headshell (where not visible) and see if they 'stick'--do you think a good idea? Thanks again for your advice. Sorry this is going off-topic... Graham On 02/03/2010, at 2:31 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Graham, > I know you addressed this to Tom, but I have considerable experience > with various plastic 'menders'. Most people defect to JB Weld, which > is a pretty good epoxy.....their 'five minute formula' though has > approximately half the strength of the regular. A better epoxy IMHO > is Devcon Liquid Steel. Then there are two-part products like > Plastic Welder that are made specifically for plastic. The problem > with plastics, including ABS and PVC is that they all have different > properties and respond to epoxies and bonds differently. Some types > won't bond at all, no matter what you use. The auto plastic welders > actually melt a stick of similar plastic to the broken part itself. > Again, you have to identify what plastic you are working with. > > Given that your broken area/part is so small, the auto welder you > found online wouldn't be practical. Some plastics respond very well > to a clean soldering tip from a soldering iron-going deep into the > crack and then smoothing the repair with heat. However, that can > also make the plastic brittle, chemically changing it forever and > the repair will fail. Again, it's all about identifying the type > plastic you're working with. If your tone arm happens to be ABS, you > can use ABS glue that is used in plumbing pipe to bond waste & > venting joints. That would be a very easy repair: by dabbing into > the can with a toothpick and then apply to the joint, holding the > pieces together for a couple of minutes. If the tone arm is carbon > fiber...you have a real challenge as it may reject any epoxies. > > Kevin > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:25:05 +1030 > From: Graham Strahle > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX eject problem > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <94D8A5AE-BAD8-4D04-BD79-5C5223936492 at chariot.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Quick question about 'plastic welder', do you have more information > about this product please Tom? A brief google got me to hair-drier > sorts of devices for car repairs... I need to repair the fingerlift on > the plastic headshell on my Micro Seiki tonearm. It snapped clean off > (damn), and I suspect glue won't be strong enough to bond it back on. > > Thankfully my 680zx doesn't need any fixing....yet. As Paul says it's > built like a tank. > > Thanks, Graham > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From esteyes at cox.net Wed Mar 3 12:01:09 2010 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:01:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphones & sony D6's and plastic repairs etc Message-ID: <4B8E4175.7050407@cox.net> as another dead taper on the list, i agree with Jeff about using a 90deg mini into the deck. that was standard practice for those that ran WM D3's and 6's. it also carried well into the DAT era where Sony persisted in using the 3.5mm jack in their prosumer product for mic and line I/O's. i still cringe watching my kids jam straight headphone plugs into their POS MP3 players. Neutrik makes an excellent 90deg stereo mini plug. i have a 480 for parts if someone wants it. it has a bad motor which took out the transisters that drove it. may even be some popped traces... but i do believe it is complete and acceptable cosmetically. as to repairing plastic, i also have found that melting plastic can lead to unhappiness - esp as you increase the temp of your iron. if the piece is big enuff i often use a low temp old large iron and melt fine screening into the plastic. for your tonearm, i would head over to the best hobby shop in your area that does plastic models and powered cars and airplanes. they almost always have multiple brands of one drop (cyanoacrylate) in varying viscosities as well as glues that might bond your plastic perfectly - so take your plastic with you. another thing i will do is drill a very small hole thru both pieces (sometimes more than one) and insert some sort of pin with glue on it to help support the repair. neil -- shadowboxing the apocalypse, wandering the land From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Wed Mar 3 14:07:02 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 05:07:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002601cabad2$6b9c3be0$42d4b3a0$@net> Talk to me offline.. Rpierce000atcenturyteldotnet (antispam email address, turn the words into punctuation to use) From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jason Woolman Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Greetings all, I am looking for a pair of CR-7As to digitize oral histories. If anyone has any available or a lead they are willing to share it would be very much appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Jason Woolman Senior Archivist/RM Specialist Musqueam First Nation 6735 Salish Drive Vancouver, BC V6N 4C4 Phone: (604) 269-3346 Fax: (604) 263-4212 jwoolman at musqueam.bc.ca Confidentiality Note: This message is Confidential. It is intended only for the person(s) or organizations(s) named above and any other use or disclosure is strictly forbidden. If this message is received by anyone else, please notify the sender by return email, and delete the message. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Mar 3 16:48:13 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:48:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <201003031117.o23B8YkQ014313@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003031117.o23B8YkQ014313@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <828263.737.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Graham, The Plastic Welder works great if you've 'hit' the right type of plastic. I can always tell by flexing the joint...a luxury you won't really have with the tone arm. I like your idea of trying a dot of the mender underneath, where you can't see. Try to flick it off with a sharp razor/knife. That will tell you a lot, however some epoxies like JB Weld will adhere OK, but break at the joint anyway. It has to do with whether or not the part is 'clamped' in place or just stuck on 'static'. That's were the Devcon products outshine JB Weld. I just went through this with a carbon fiber type car part and tried: Super glue, Sumo, JB Weld, Plastic Welder and Devcon Liguid Steel. I could not clamp the parts...Devcon Liguid Steel was clearly the winner, as all the others failed right away. What a pain to scrape the residue off and try again! Those auto welder devices supposedly have a way to test what plastics you have...due to the cost of those kits, I haven't taken the plunge and therefore have never seen their directions. I know you can tell what some plastics are by burning, but the fumes are highly toxic. Can you send a email off to the tone arm manufacturer and ask what their plastic composition was/is? Kevin ________________________________ From: Graham Strahle Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX eject problem To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <239A1A0C-B136-4099-B726-7A26BD231B50 at chariot.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Kevin, your advice very much appreciated. I came across Devcon and Versachem Plastic Welder (apparently the same company, ITW Consumer) and these looked good, both claiming 3500 psi strength, way more than epoxy or superglue. But it looks like guesswork until the type of plastic is known. My headshell is a hard rigid molded plastic piece, it plugs into a carbon-fibre arm tube. I'm not sure at all how to tell if ABS or other type of plastic, without burning slivers of it (!!). Maybe it can only be determined by Fourier Infrared Spectroscopy?! - there's a place in India (Spectro Analytical Labs Ltd, Delhi) where you send samples and they test and find out exactly what type of plastic, using this technique. This might be the go with plastic parts in Nak decks. But to save $$s, I'm thinking it might be simplest to apply tiny bits of different glues/epoxies underneath the headshell (where not visible) and see if they 'stick'--do you think a good idea? Thanks again for your advice. Sorry this is going off-topic... Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Mar 3 17:48:30 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 brightening plasma display In-Reply-To: <898934.68921.qm@web113706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <898934.68921.qm@web113706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b6f92901003030848j43251509qaf4ba9551c07e85d@mail.gmail.com> Thanks John - I'll give that a try and let y'all know. Willy On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:48 PM, John Gipps wrote: > Hi Perry and Willy > > I haven't had that symptom before, but from looking at the circuit, a > likely suspect would be Q709 on the Display PCB. If this transistor was > breaking down, it would provide a higher voltage to the display anode at > these times. As this transistor supplies only a small current to the > display, it is entirely likely that it wouldn't be destroyed by intermittent > breakdowns, and would simply keep breaking down every so often. It's Vcer is > specified as 300V - I couldn't find a spec for Vceosus. > > I have had multiple instances of the capacitors in the voltage multiplier > needing replacement - but this fault doesn't cause a display bright up. > > If you are replacing Q709 or removing it for breakdown testing (Vceosus), > it might be an idea to check capacitors C705, C706, C707, and C708. They are > all 10uF 160V and do fail. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:37:30 +0000 > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] T-100 brightening plasma display > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > < > 1194765991-1267483100-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399927067- at bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry > > > > Hello all, > The plasma display on my T-100 will > occasionally flash very bright, regardless of signal. It seems to be > ambient temperature related. It never does it when cold, only if it's been > on a few hours. If anyone knows if this is a common issue and where to start > looking for the cause, I would be very appreciative. I have most all test > gear and the SM, just point me in the right direction. Thanks! Perry > Esposito > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:40:37 -0800 > From: Willy Hermann > Subject: Re: [naktalk] T-100 brightening plasma display > To: perry.nak at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Message-ID: > <4b6f92901003012040r240ec4bel9bae019e4128338f at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Let me know what it is when you find it. One of mine has been doing the > same thing for years -- I seem to have the time to fix everybodyelses stuff > but not get around to my own. > > Willy > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Mar 3 19:30:43 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 19:30:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Unknown TEAC Test Cassettes Message-ID: <971F109C-4790-41DD-A49F-7C129EF353B5@peromarta.org> Friends, I managed to acquire the last NOS Teac Test tapes from a dealer in Germany. They threw in the package for free these 2 tapes, which I have been unable to find any information about: MTT-119SP MTT-7035 I have not tested them yet. Anyone knows what's recorded on them ? Best regards, Luis. http://naks.es -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Wed Mar 3 23:39:19 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:39:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3 Message-ID: <241219.62273.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Graham : If you can't find a good way to glue the finger lift back onto the headshell and its a standard 2 screw cartridge type , you could always fabricate your own finger lift from light weight plastic or metal and attach it by drilling two holes and bridging it across and attaching it to the 2 mounting screws and nuts that come out the top of the headshell.  Thomas --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 10:48 AM Graham, The Plastic Welder works great if you've 'hit' the right type of plastic. I can always tell by flexing the joint...a luxury you won't really have with the tone arm. I like your idea of trying a dot of the mender underneath, where you can't see. Try to flick it off with a sharp razor/knife. That will tell you a lot, however some epoxies like JB Weld will adhere OK, but break at the joint anyway. It has to do with whether or not the part is 'clamped' in place or just stuck on 'static'. That's were the Devcon products outshine JB Weld. I just went through this with a carbon fiber type car part and tried: Super glue, Sumo, JB Weld, Plastic Welder and Devcon Liguid Steel. I could not clamp the parts...Devcon Liguid Steel was clearly the winner, as all the others failed right away. What a pain to scrape the residue off and try again! Those auto welder devices supposedly have a way to test what plastics you have...due to the cost of those kits, I haven't taken the plunge and therefore have never seen their directions. I know you can tell what some plastics are by burning, but the fumes are highly toxic. Can you send a email off to the tone arm manufacturer and ask what their plastic composition was/is? Kevin From: Graham Strahle Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX eject problem To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <239A1A0C-B136-4099-B726-7A26BD231B50 at chariot.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Kevin, your advice very much appreciated. I came across Devcon  and Versachem Plastic Welder (apparently the same company, ITW  Consumer) and these looked good, both claiming 3500 psi strength, way  more than epoxy or superglue. But it looks like guesswork until the  type of plastic is known. My headshell is a hard rigid molded plastic  piece, it plugs into a carbon-fibre arm tube. I'm not sure at all how  to tell if ABS or other type of plastic, without burning slivers of it  (!!). Maybe it can only be determined by Fourier Infrared  Spectroscopy?! - there's a place in India (Spectro Analytical Labs  Ltd, Delhi) where you send samples and they test and find out exactly  what type of plastic, using this technique. This might be the go with  plastic parts in Nak decks. But to save $$s, I'm thinking it might be simplest to apply tiny bits  of different glues/epoxies underneath the headshell (where not  visible) and see if they 'stick'--do you think a good idea? Thanks again for your advice. Sorry this is going off-topic... Graham -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 02:08:48 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:08:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Unknown TEAC Test Cassettes In-Reply-To: <971F109C-4790-41DD-A49F-7C129EF353B5@peromarta.org> References: <971F109C-4790-41DD-A49F-7C129EF353B5@peromarta.org> Message-ID: If it is 3000 Hz or 3150 Hz it will be a wow-and-flutter test tape. As I recall (I'm at a coffee house, not my store) the Dolby test frequency is 700Hz. If it is a series of tones at -10dB or -20dB, ranging from low bass to upper treble, then it is a frequency response test tape. If it is a very high frequency -- e.g. 15Khz, also a few dB down in amplitude -- then it is an azimuth alignment tape. If your dog sniffs at it and gives you a warning look, it is an IED disguised as a test tape. In that case, run. Fred Classic Audio Repair * * * * * On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > Friends, > > I managed to acquire the last NOS Teac Test tapes from a dealer in Germany. > > They threw in the package for free these 2 tapes, which I have been unable > to find any information about: > > MTT-119SP > MTT-7035 > > I have not tested them yet. Anyone knows what's recorded on them ? > > Best regards, Luis. > > http://naks.es > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Mar 4 07:57:40 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 07:57:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Unknown TEAC Test Cassettes In-Reply-To: References: <971F109C-4790-41DD-A49F-7C129EF353B5@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <081C46BB-66CE-4552-8F35-3E243AC914DF@peromarta.org> I'll chek them out in a couple of days, and let you know. Thanks! rgds, LP. El 04/03/2010, a las 02:08, Fred Longworth escribió: > If it is 3000 Hz or 3150 Hz it will be a wow-and-flutter test tape. > > As I recall (I'm at a coffee house, not my store) the Dolby test frequency is 700Hz. If it is a series of tones at -10dB or -20dB, ranging from low bass to upper treble, then it is a frequency response test tape. > > If it is a very high frequency -- e.g. 15Khz, also a few dB down in amplitude -- then it is an azimuth alignment tape. > > If your dog sniffs at it and gives you a warning look, it is an IED disguised as a test tape. In that case, run. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > Friends, > > I managed to acquire the last NOS Teac Test tapes from a dealer in Germany. > > They threw in the package for free these 2 tapes, which I have been unable to find any information about: > > MTT-119SP > MTT-7035 > > I have not tested them yet. 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 02:17:08 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:17:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX eject problem; plastic repair In-Reply-To: <201003031117.o23B8YkQ014313@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003031117.o23B8YkQ014313@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <349875.85453.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Graham, Sorry for the hasty reply this morning, as I was practically out the door to work. I also forgot a subject line in my post(sorry Wouter!). I justify using Naktalk for this, because plastic mending applies to many Nak cassette deck parts as well. I was thinking......if you wanted to invest the time, very carefully drill a very small hole in each part and put a piece of stiff piano wire between them. You'd be surprised at the added strength of this repair. This way it's not just the bond that flexes each time, but the integrity of the wire joint plus the bond. If you had room (you probably don't), two wires works better than one. You can get piano wire at most hobby places.....I have like seven different diameters. Message: 7 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:05:12 +1030 From: Graham Strahle Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX eject problem To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <239A1A0C-B136-4099-B726-7A26BD231B50 at chariot.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Kevin, your advice very much appreciated. I came across Devcon and Versachem Plastic Welder (apparently the same company, ITW Consumer) and these looked good, both claiming 3500 psi strength, way more than epoxy or superglue. But it looks like guesswork until the type of plastic is known. My headshell is a hard rigid molded plastic piece, it plugs into a carbon-fibre arm tube. I'm not sure at all how to tell if ABS or other type of plastic, without burning slivers of it (!!). Maybe it can only be determined by Fourier Infrared Spectroscopy?! - there's a place in India (Spectro Analytical Labs Ltd, Delhi) where you send samples and they test and find out exactly what type of plastic, using this technique. This might be the go with plastic parts in Nak decks. But to save $$s, I'm thinking it might be simplest to apply tiny bits of different glues/epoxies underneath the headshell (where not visible) and see if they 'stick'--do you think a good idea? Thanks again for your advice. Sorry this is going off-topic... Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbauer45 at comcast.net Thu Mar 4 03:20:05 2010 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (dbauer45 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 02:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues In-Reply-To: <000001cabac0$77fbd380$67f37a80$@com> Message-ID: <985366267.12045341267669205159.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hi Dean That's an easy one. Your pots (potentiometers) need cleaning, lubricating, and exercise. In the first instance, you will probably find that the problems with them will decrease simply with exercise. Give them a few dozen rotations from one extreme to the other - do it to all the pots - Output, Concentric Left and Right Input, and Master Input. To do it properly, you should also spray the pots internally with a cleaner/lubricant. Different techs have different favourite sprays for this. My favourite is CRC 2-26 - cheap and easily obtainable. You need to take off the top cover and gain access to the "pots". You'll find that there are various entry points to most pots - that is, a hole in the metal casing, or a gap where the connections emerge from the case. CRC 2-26 (and probably most other spray cleaners) comes with a plastic tube that fits into the spray can nozzle. You aim this tubing into an opening in the pot and flood it with cleaner/lubricant. When you do this, use a cloth strategically placed to catch as much of the fluid that runs out of the pot as you can. Clean up excess fluid afterwards, but be careful not to damage components in the vacinity of the pots. After flooding the pot, give it some exercise as above, and then a final flush out with the spray. After this treatment, most pots behave very well. Do not use a cleaner that has no lubricant, and do not use thick heavy duty products like WD40. The notes on the can should tell you if the product is appropriate. Regards John Gipps Message: 10 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 03:31:21 +0000 (UTC) From: dbauer45 at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID:     < 1152903179.10935601267500681524.JavaMail.root at sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net >     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Nakkers, There is a very nice 680ZX in my listening room purchased off of eBay a while back.  Some time ago, this forum assisted in getting its fluorescent display back in operation with the replacement of a couple of the orange caps.  I do not recall at this point who suggested the cap replacement, but he was spot on with that diagnosis and which caps were the culprits. As my luck would have it, my preamp went out just as I was about to begin to use the deck for recording.  So now many months later, the rest of the system is working and ready to go.  As I put the deck through azimuth alignment and recording level adjustment, I found a problem or problems with the front panel knob adjustments.  (The head alignment seems to work fine) First, when the output level knob is turned, the output will drop out at certain spots and send grainy noise through the system.  This only happens while the knob is turning.  Let go and the output is OK. The second issue in nearly identical to the first and is an issue with the concentric left/right record level knobs and the master record level knob. While the deck is recording, if the left record level knob is turned, the left channel signal will drop out at spots.  The right channel record level seems to work smoothly.  Gentle sideways pressure on the rec level knob will also make the left channel drop out.  If the Master record level knob is turned, the left channel will again drop out in spots along the rotation. >From my limited knowledge of electronics, these symptoms might be caused by debris in the potentiometers.  I am assuming that there are potentiometers behind these knobs that control the signal levels.  I would also guess that there may be one or more lead wires that may no longer be securely attached. The deck has not yet been opened, buy I will have a look inside for loose wires in the coming days.  Does anyone have suggestions for a fix if it is not a wire issue?  Can the pots be disassembled, cleaned and reassembled easily?  Or is my guess off on this one? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 02:50:27 2010 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 19:50:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Unknown TEAC Test Cassettes In-Reply-To: References: <971F109C-4790-41DD-A49F-7C129EF353B5@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <6bddc1111003031750h3607db75s6bf8154fe2d8948f@mail.gmail.com> HahahaahahhaAA!! LulZ ++++ On Mar 3, 2010 5:41 PM, "Fred Longworth" wrote: If it is 3000 Hz or 3150 Hz it will be a wow-and-flutter test tape. As I recall (I'm at a coffee house, not my store) the Dolby test frequency is 700Hz. If it is a series of tones at -10dB or -20dB, ranging from low bass to upper treble, then it is a frequency response test tape. If it is a very high frequency -- e.g. 15Khz, also a few dB down in amplitude -- then it is an azimuth alignment tape. If your dog sniffs at it and gives you a warning look, it is an IED disguised as a test tape. 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Fred Classic Audio Repair * * * * * On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > > > Friends, > > I managed to acquire the last NOS Teac Test tapes from a > dealer in Germany. > > The... > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Thu Mar 4 05:57:06 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:57:06 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly Offline: The Nak 620 Power Amplifier References: , Message-ID: Good to hear Mark.. Glad you are enjoying it...a great 'score' as we would say down here.... but.. are you using it with the 610 or some other pre-amp?.. as a combo they are a great sounding piece of kit.. I've owned mine for 27 years now and basically haven't found anything to better them over the years at prices I can afford .. or prepared to pay!!. Because of age and rarity it is hard to find someone who can comment sensibly on the 610/620 performance these days, so look forward to reading more of your 'experience' as it grows. The 100W out of the 620 seems to be an 'easy/effortless' 100W. The phono stage in the 610 is excellent and greedy people like me can connect 2 TT's.. ideally that would be TX-1000 and a Dragon CT.. but dreams are free :o). Both have been what could be modestly termed 'very reliable'.. just replaced meter bulbs in the 610 once, and the monitor/balance assembly back in about '87 as the original became a bit scratchy... no problem since, and the 620 just keeps going. (Hopefully I have put the curse of the black jelly bean on them by saying that!!) The only thing to watch with the 620 is that it takes 3-5 minutes to power down after turn off, so if you are experimenting with interconnects or speaker cables, go make a coffee between tests!! Running a high quality interconnect between the 610 and 620 paid dividends in sound quality too. good luck and great listening Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] Slightly Offline: The Nak 620 Power Amplifier Tom and members - Reading the brochure, the 620 Power Amp is 100 watts per channel @ 8 ohms, 50 watts per channel @ 16 ohms. The brochure does not specify watts per channel @ 4 ohms. Frequency response is 5 - 100,000 hertz! The peak power indicators are fun to watch. It runs very cool, not hot. The more one listens, the more one loves the sound. This amp is a keeper! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: hitech at birch.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:46:03 -0600 Mark, I'll bet we all would like to hear more about the 620 amp. It has been a long time since I've been able to listen to one. One attribute I distinctly remember is that it seemed characterless, unlike so many transistor amps of that period. It is also one of the few amps that touted "low distortion" (IIRC THD=0.004%) that actually SOUNDED low distortion! Since the 620 could be bridged using the "black box" adaptor, a single 620 works just fine with 4 ohm speakers. Power seems much higher than the rated 60 w/ch. tom brucker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 10:47:43 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 01:47:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680 transport problem In-Reply-To: <20100301204630.1U3FI.900715.imail@eastrmwml31> References: <20100301204630.1U3FI.900715.imail@eastrmwml31> Message-ID: <845456.81471.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Squirting contact cleaner into a motor may fix specific problems, but is not a cure-all. Takeup problems may be caused by the reel motor or the drive electronics. To check, set the deck to FF and measure voltage across the motor terminals. Should be 8VDC or so to 12VDC. Then, press Play. The voltage should be around 3V to 4V. If voltage is incorrect in either test, suspect the electronics. If correct but the motor doesn't spin in either test, suspect the motor. In general, small DC motors can be rebuilt, but I've had poor success with reel motors. -- Ron ________________________________ From: "spmcmanus at cox.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 8:46:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] 680 transport problem Hi guys, well I decided to just do without the fast forward and rewind on this deck. But ,now all of sudden It won't play. The idler motor is stubborn,when I spin it with my finger it moves ,but won't stay running. At this point I'm about to drill a hole in the side of the motor and flood it with tuner cleaner,yikes!!! This is a great looking deck. I do not think the cabinet cover has ever been removed so no one has ever messed with it, I wish it would just work. I need some guidence please. Thanks, Steve ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Mar 4 13:34:36 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:34:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly Offline: The Nak 620 Power Amplifier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98790b021003040434g18473e68r3dcdc39564cc787b@mail.gmail.com> The BW stated below is not too accurate: I have meassured 1Hz to 150KHz -3dB. ;) I have been working lately in one unit with a big fault - it literally went on flames. I am about ready with it, and will post some comments and pictures soon. Best regads, LP. 2010/3/4 Martin Short > Good to hear Mark.. > > Glad you are enjoying it...a great 'score' as we would say down > here.... but.. are you using it with the 610 or some other pre-amp?.. as a > combo they are a great sounding piece of kit.. I've owned mine for 27 years > now and basically haven't found anything to better them over the years at > prices I can afford .. or prepared to pay!!. Because of age and rarity it > is hard to find someone who can comment sensibly on the 610/620 performance > these days, so look forward to reading more of your 'experience' as it > grows. The 100W out of the 620 seems to be an 'easy/effortless' 100W. > > The phono stage in the 610 is excellent and greedy people like me can > connect 2 TT's.. ideally that would be TX-1000 and a Dragon CT.. but dreams > are free :o). > > Both have been what could be modestly termed 'very reliable'.. just > replaced meter bulbs in the 610 once, and the monitor/balance assembly back > in about '87 as the original became a bit scratchy... no problem since, and > the 620 just keeps going. (Hopefully I have put the curse of the black jelly > bean on them by saying that!!) > The only thing to watch with the 620 is that it takes 3-5 minutes to power > down after turn off, so if you are experimenting with interconnects or > speaker cables, go make a coffee between tests!! > Running a high quality interconnect between the 610 and 620 paid dividends > in sound quality too. > > good luck and great listening > > Martin > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Mark Exstedt > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:20 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Slightly Offline: The Nak 620 Power Amplifier > > Tom and members - > Reading the brochure, the 620 Power Amp is 100 watts per channel @ 8 ohms, > 50 watts per channel @ 16 ohms. The brochure does not specify watts per > channel @ 4 ohms. > Frequency response is 5 - 100,000 hertz! > The peak power indicators are fun to watch. > It runs very cool, not hot. > The more one listens, the more one loves the sound. > This amp is a keeper! > > ------------------------------ > From: hitech at birch.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck > Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:46:03 -0600 > > Mark, > I'll bet we all would like to hear more about the 620 amp. It has been > a long time since I've been able to listen to one. One attribute I > distinctly remember is that it seemed characterless, unlike so many > transistor amps of that period. It is also one of the few amps that touted > "low distortion" (IIRC THD=0.004%) that actually SOUNDED low distortion! > Since the 620 could be bridged using the "black box" adaptor, a single 620 > works just fine with 4 ohm speakers. Power seems much higher than the rated > 60 w/ch. > > tom brucker > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up > now. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Thu Mar 4 16:23:08 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:23:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly Offline: The Nak 620 Power Amplifier In-Reply-To: <98790b021003040434g18473e68r3dcdc39564cc787b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Luis, When these do fail, every transistor after the voltage amp should be changed. You'll notice the lack of a bias control. The amplifier requires perfect balance between the top and bottom output stages. Look also for the nakamichi bulletin on naks.com for the speaker relay mod. You can improvise on the small pcb that is shown in the bulletin. Adding the relay will prevent flames! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:35 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly Offline: The Nak 620 Power Amplifier The BW stated below is not too accurate: I have meassured 1Hz to 150KHz -3dB. ;) I have been working lately in one unit with a big fault - it literally went on flames. I am about ready with it, and will post some comments and pictures soon. Best regads, LP. 2010/3/4 Martin Short Good to hear Mark.. Glad you are enjoying it...a great 'score' as we would say down here.... but.. are you using it with the 610 or some other pre-amp?.. as a combo they are a great sounding piece of kit.. I've owned mine for 27 years now and basically haven't found anything to better them over the years at prices I can afford .. or prepared to pay!!. Because of age and rarity it is hard to find someone who can comment sensibly on the 610/620 performance these days, so look forward to reading more of your 'experience' as it grows. The 100W out of the 620 seems to be an 'easy/effortless' 100W. The phono stage in the 610 is excellent and greedy people like me can connect 2 TT's.. ideally that would be TX-1000 and a Dragon CT.. but dreams are free :o). Both have been what could be modestly termed 'very reliable'.. just replaced meter bulbs in the 610 once, and the monitor/balance assembly back in about '87 as the original became a bit scratchy... no problem since, and the 620 just keeps going. (Hopefully I have put the curse of the black jelly bean on them by saying that!!) The only thing to watch with the 620 is that it takes 3-5 minutes to power down after turn off, so if you are experimenting with interconnects or speaker cables, go make a coffee between tests!! Running a high quality interconnect between the 610 and 620 paid dividends in sound quality too. good luck and great listening Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] Slightly Offline: The Nak 620 Power Amplifier Tom and members - Reading the brochure, the 620 Power Amp is 100 watts per channel @ 8 ohms, 50 watts per channel @ 16 ohms. The brochure does not specify watts per channel @ 4 ohms. Frequency response is 5 - 100,000 hertz! The peak power indicators are fun to watch. It runs very cool, not hot. The more one listens, the more one loves the sound. This amp is a keeper! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hitech at birch.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:46:03 -0600 Mark, I'll bet we all would like to hear more about the 620 amp. It has been a long time since I've been able to listen to one. One attribute I distinctly remember is that it seemed characterless, unlike so many transistor amps of that period. It is also one of the few amps that touted "low distortion" (IIRC THD=0.004%) that actually SOUNDED low distortion! Since the 620 could be bridged using the "black box" adaptor, a single 620 works just fine with 4 ohm speakers. Power seems much higher than the rated 60 w/ch. tom brucker -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Mar 4 22:54:57 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:54:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] recent donations to naks.com Message-ID: Hi Everyone, There are 3 recent donations to Naks.com: 1) BX-300 in the US 2) RX-202 in the US 3) 580 in the UK I'm trying to find out where exactly the decks are for a local pickup Wouter From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Fri Mar 5 00:33:24 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:33:24 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] Unknown TEAC Test Cassettes In-Reply-To: <201003041142.o24BZVfW021043@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003041142.o24BZVfW021043@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1eca3e586886f74cc0c34c15e4bfd97e.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Luis, Don't recognise those numbers either, but TEAC did have a few test tapes specifically dedicated to their "portastudio" decks, so could be related to that (or not!!) TEAC sold the test tape side of their business to Almedio back in early 2007, and Almedio do not appear have retained the TEAC numbering. (IFAIK, the test tapes are still available: http://www.almedio.co.jp/cassette.html ) Shortly after TEAC removed their own test tape listing from their web site, which was the loss of a handy reference. I thought I had saved a copy, but with so many home and country moves in between I can't find it. if I do, I'll let you know, but don't hold out much hope! cheers, Martin > Friends, > > I managed to acquire the last NOS Teac Test tapes from a dealer in > Germany. > > They threw in the package for free these 2 tapes, which I have been unable > to find any information about: > > MTT-119SP > MTT-7035 > > I have not tested them yet. Anyone knows what's recorded on them ? > > Best regards, Luis. > > http://naks.es > From phil05 at abv.bg Thu Mar 4 12:47:01 2010 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?UTF-8?B?0JLQsNC70LXQvdGC0LjQvSDQn9C10L3QtdCy?=) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:47:01 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Plese help with part HA04564A CAT Bottom Assy for RX 505 Message-ID: <1617453160.5916.1267703221573.JavaMail.apache@mail83.abv.bg> Hello! Another problem with my new and very nice RX 505E (I already asked here, if I can mount PB Head from 670 ZX, the PB head in the RX 505 is not worn, but lightly damaged from corrosion under not cleaned tape rests...) My other question - the nice plastic bottom panel in the middle, with the arrow and the lettering under the cassette mechanism - is damaged, may be from heat. How can I find and by this part, new, or used, for example from one not used not working RX 505? The Part Nr. In the service manual is HA04564A CAT Bottom Assy. 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Name: Attached Message Part URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 4 17:32:06 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:32:06 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Slightly Offline: The Nak 620 Power Amplifier In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: I received the 620 amp with a full 'System One', therefore I have a 610 Control Preamp and a 630 FM Tuner Preamp which I have yet to test for correct functioning. Also own a Nak 410 Preamp and an SR-4A receiver. Presently it's hooked up to the Yamaha AVS-700 (own three) which allows the volume to be controlled via wireless remote. Thank you for the heads up on the fact that the 620 amp takes a few minutes to power down. I had no idea. From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly Offline: The Nak 620 Power Amplifier Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:57:06 +1300 Good to hear Mark.. Glad you are enjoying it...a great 'score' as we would say down here.... but.. are you using it with the 610 or some other pre-amp?.. as a combo they are a great sounding piece of kit.. I've owned mine for 27 years now and basically haven't found anything to better them over the years at prices I can afford .. or prepared to pay!!. Because of age and rarity it is hard to find someone who can comment sensibly on the 610/620 performance these days, so look forward to reading more of your 'experience' as it grows. The 100W out of the 620 seems to be an 'easy/effortless' 100W. The phono stage in the 610 is excellent and greedy people like me can connect 2 TT's.. ideally that would be TX-1000 and a Dragon CT.. but dreams are free :o). Both have been what could be modestly termed 'very reliable'.. just replaced meter bulbs in the 610 once, and the monitor/balance assembly back in about '87 as the original became a bit scratchy... no problem since, and the 620 just keeps going. (Hopefully I have put the curse of the black jelly bean on them by saying that!!) The only thing to watch with the 620 is that it takes 3-5 minutes to power down after turn off, so if you are experimenting with interconnects or speaker cables, go make a coffee between tests!! Running a high quality interconnect between the 610 and 620 paid dividends in sound quality too. good luck and great listening Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] Slightly Offline: The Nak 620 Power Amplifier Tom and members - Reading the brochure, the 620 Power Amp is 100 watts per channel @ 8 ohms, 50 watts per channel @ 16 ohms. The brochure does not specify watts per channel @ 4 ohms. Frequency response is 5 - 100,000 hertz! The peak power indicators are fun to watch. It runs very cool, not hot. The more one listens, the more one loves the sound. This amp is a keeper! From: hitech at birch.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 600 and 600 II Cassette Deck Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:46:03 -0600 Mark, I'll bet we all would like to hear more about the 620 amp. It has been a long time since I've been able to listen to one. One attribute I distinctly remember is that it seemed characterless, unlike so many transistor amps of that period. It is also one of the few amps that touted "low distortion" (IIRC THD=0.004%) that actually SOUNDED low distortion! Since the 620 could be bridged using the "black box" adaptor, a single 620 works just fine with 4 ohm speakers. Power seems much higher than the rated 60 w/ch. tom brucker Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This offer is > for USA shipping only. > > Batch one (25 tapes), $45: > > Maxell > XLII90 - 2 > XLIIS90 - 3 > XLIIS100 - 3 > MXS90 - 6 > MXS100 - 8 > > Denon > HD8100 - 3 > > > Thank you, > Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gstrahle at chariot.net.au Sat Mar 6 06:49:10 2010 From: gstrahle at chariot.net.au (Graham Strahle) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:19:10 +1030 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX eject problem; plastic repair In-Reply-To: <349875.85453.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <201003031117.o23B8YkQ014313@zxe.naks.com> <349875.85453.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A2BE039-867D-4AB0-A337-2749993E4BA8@chariot.net.au> Thanks heaps Kevin, for your advice, and Thomas and Neil, on this question of repairing plastics--and my cart headshell in particular. Inserting one or two pieces of wire reinforcement looks possible, I'll enquire about getting a scale model maker to do this. Then bond with the Devcon Liquid Steel. Or if something goes wrong, get a replacement metal fingerlift and attach that under the cart bolt heads (SME make one). Appreciate your invaluable advice & expertise, thanks again. If 680ZX eject lever breaks, this same technique of using metal pin reinforcement plus Liquid Steel could be just the answer, it being plastic and rather delicate. Plus other Nak plastic parts, as you say. Graham On 04/03/2010, at 11:47 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Graham, > Sorry for the hasty reply this morning, as I was practically out the > door to work. I also forgot a subject line in my post(sorry > Wouter!). I justify using Naktalk for this, because plastic mending > applies to many Nak cassette deck parts as well. > > I was thinking......if you wanted to invest the time, very carefully > drill a very small hole in each part and put a piece of stiff piano > wire between them. You'd be surprised at the added strength of this > repair. This way it's not just the bond that flexes each time, but > the integrity of the wire joint plus the bond. If you had room (you > probably don't), two wires works better than one. You can get piano > wire at most hobby places.....I have like seven different diameters. > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:05:12 +1030 > From: Graham Strahle > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX eject problem > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <239A1A0C-B136-4099-B726-7A26BD231B50 at chariot.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thanks Kevin, your advice very much appreciated. I came across Devcon > and Versachem Plastic Welder (apparently the same company, ITW > Consumer) and these looked good, both claiming 3500 psi strength, way > more than epoxy or superglue. But it looks like guesswork until the > type of plastic is known. My headshell is a hard rigid molded plastic > piece, it plugs into a carbon-fibre arm tube. I'm not sure at all how > to tell if ABS or other type of plastic, without burning slivers of it > (!!). Maybe it can only be determined by Fourier Infrared > Spectroscopy?! - there's a place in India (Spectro Analytical Labs > Ltd, Delhi) where you send samples and they test and find out exactly > what type of plastic, using this technique. This might be the go with > plastic parts in Nak decks. > > But to save $$s, I'm thinking it might be simplest to apply tiny bits > of different glues/epoxies underneath the headshell (where not > visible) and see if they 'stick'--do you think a good idea? > > Thanks again for your advice. > > Sorry this is going off-topic... > > Graham > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbauer45 at comcast.net Sun Mar 7 05:44:24 2010 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (dbauer45 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 04:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues In-Reply-To: <985366267.12045341267669205159.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <911242666.13334521267937064559.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> John, Let me begin by extending my gratitute.  Your advise was exactly correct and worked perfectly.  The way that the 680 is assembled, there isn't much room to get the pots away from the rest of the deck unless you are willing to do some soldering.  Luckily, they are all mounted on plate that can be unscrewed and the wires are just long enough to get a towel wrapped around the assembly to keep the cleaner away from the plastic parts.  With a few squirts and twists followed by a long drying period, the deck went back together and the pots are now completely silent.  They is also noticably less friction and a smoother feel to them. I did stray a bit however in one respect.  I had trouble finding CRC 2-26, so I went to the local Pep Boys, looked around at what they had, and settled for something called CRC Electro-Motive Electronic Parts Cleaner.  It came with a plastic tube for directing the spray.  It's sold as a degreasing cleaner for car parts like alternators and such.  The can has specific warnings about how the cleaner can be harmful to plastics and that it is not meant for use with "sensitive electronic equipment such as VRCs".  It's curious that manufacturers put warnings like that on there products in text so small that it can only be read in bright light with 20/20 vision.  Surely for legal reasons.  At any rate, I tested a few drops of it on the edges of a circuit board and on the labels on the back of the pots and nothing dissappeared, so the final result is what it is.  I do have one lingering concern in that the product I used most certainly does not leave a residue and therefore does not contain a lubricant (other than the wetting action that it itself provides before it evaporates).   So my question is how long will the pots stay in this clean condition and could they now possibly be susceptible to oxidation?  If the answer is yes, I will continue to search for the CRC2-26.  I have waited nearly 30 years to arrive at a point in life where the means and spare time come together to allow for upgrading from the 480, so I'd like to keep my new toy in the best condition possible.  By the way, I must say that the tapes that were recorded on the 480 through the 1980's and early 1990's sound just as good today and possibly better as speaker technology has advanced so much in recent years. So once again John, thank you for the advise. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: dbauer45 at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 9:20:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues Hi Dean That's an easy one. Your pots (potentiometers) need cleaning, lubricating, and exercise. In the first instance, you will probably find that the problems with them will decrease simply with exercise. Give them a few dozen rotations from one extreme to the other - do it to all the pots - Output, Concentric Left and Right Input, and Master Input. To do it properly, you should also spray the pots internally with a cleaner/lubricant. Different techs have different favourite sprays for this. My favourite is CRC 2-26 - cheap and easily obtainable. You need to take off the top cover and gain access to the "pots". You'll find that there are various entry points to most pots - that is, a hole in the metal casing, or a gap where the connections emerge from the case. CRC 2-26 (and probably most other spray cleaners) comes with a plastic tube that fits into the spray can nozzle. You aim this tubing into an opening in the pot and flood it with cleaner/lubricant. When you do this, use a cloth strategically placed to catch as much of the fluid that runs out of the pot as you can. Clean up excess fluid afterwards, but be careful not to damage components in the vacinity of the pots. After flooding the pot, give it some exercise as above, and then a final flush out with the spray. After this treatment, most pots behave very well. Do not use a cleaner that has no lubricant, and do not use thick heavy duty products like WD40. The notes on the can should tell you if the product is appropriate. Regards John Gipps Message: 10 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 03:31:21 +0000 (UTC) From: dbauer45 at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID:     < 1152903179.10935601267500681524.JavaMail.root at sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net >     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Nakkers, There is a very nice 680ZX in my listening room purchased off of eBay a while back.  Some time ago, this forum assisted in getting its fluorescent display back in operation with the replacement of a couple of the orange caps.  I do not recall at this point who suggested the cap replacement, but he was spot on with that diagnosis and which caps were the culprits. As my luck would have it, my preamp went out just as I was about to begin to use the deck for recording.  So now many months later, the rest of the system is working and ready to go.  As I put the deck through azimuth alignment and recording level adjustment, I found a problem or problems with the front panel knob adjustments.  (The head alignment seems to work fine) First, when the output level knob is turned, the output will drop out at certain spots and send grainy noise through the system.  This only happens while the knob is turning.  Let go and the output is OK. The second issue in nearly identical to the first and is an issue with the concentric left/right record level knobs and the master record level knob. While the deck is recording, if the left record level knob is turned, the left channel signal will drop out at spots.  The right channel record level seems to work smoothly.  Gentle sideways pressure on the rec level knob will also make the left channel drop out.  If the Master record level knob is turned, the left channel will again drop out in spots along the rotation. >From my limited knowledge of electronics, these symptoms might be caused by debris in the potentiometers.  I am assuming that there are potentiometers behind these knobs that control the signal levels.  I would also guess that there may be one or more lead wires that may no longer be securely attached. The deck has not yet been opened, buy I will have a look inside for loose wires in the coming days.  Does anyone have suggestions for a fix if it is not a wire issue?  Can the pots be disassembled, cleaned and reassembled easily?  Or is my guess off on this one? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Dean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenr at snet.net Sun Mar 7 21:01:06 2010 From: stephenr at snet.net (Stephen Windsor) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:01:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] price on a DR-1? In-Reply-To: <4B8F9FD4.4080407@snet.net> References: <4B8F9FD4.4080407@snet.net> Message-ID: <4B940602.4080907@snet.net> Hi, good afternoon everyone, Decided to let go of my DR-1, don't use it much anymore. Original owner since 1997. Have the nak replacement belt for it, Jeff from ESL gave me in 2004. Have played it sporadically since 2004. 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URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Sun Mar 7 21:53:54 2010 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:53:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale Message-ID: <817046.68697.qm@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello Kind Group, I'm about to sell off some Naks--thought it only right to at least throw it out there before I go through all the fun of Ebay.  If you are interested in any of the following, just drop me a line jeruff at yahoo.com.  If not, they'll be for sale online in a couple weeks.  MR-1--new belts and gear update; most likely needs a new reel motor (this diagnosis comes courtesy of Naktalk); acceptable used condition otherwise (top has some rack rash, face fine) 700 II--another promising deck I hit a wall on--after two repair shops (have the most recent receipt with the official diagnosis), it's stored in its original box due to a faulty "reel assembly" I want to say...Jeff from ES Labs told me he didn't have any more of the part.  Otherwise, it's in awesome shape with very minimal 'wear'.  I bought it from the original owner a couple years ago, but unfortunately he hadn't used it in a long time.  Also have a a hard copy of the service manual and some of the original paperwork and a cleaning cloth 480--Silver version with metal tape capability.  Another deck I had serviced (over $200 sunk into this one).  The eject issue was repaired and it does sound good on playback; however, the one time I tried to record with it, it sounded terrible and was clearly not recording with very much signal or evenly if I recall. Original manual included.  BX-1--nice silver one with a new rubber idler tire.  Sounds and works like a Nak should. CR-3--Bought this from the original owner a few months back.  Works but definitely needs a tune-up.  It's in great cosmetic shape though. DR-3--Works like new; a bit of a scuff on the front where a little paint is missing--could be Sharpied over to make less noticeable, or not I would donate a few of these decks if I didn't need to recoup some of what I invested.  Let me know, Jesse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Mar 7 23:17:25 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 14:17:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues In-Reply-To: <911242666.13334521267937064559.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <985366267.12045341267669205159.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <911242666.13334521267937064559.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You may have made a serious mistake. I use Caig DeoxIT E5 (and Caig's several other formulations, such as fader-lube). I use these exclusively. They will NOT harm plastics. The problem is the word "cleaning." You are NOT *cleaning* the controls; you are *treating* the controls. You are applying a chemical formulation that reverses some of the oxidation of contacts, that leaves a line of defense against future oxidation, and that lubricates the control. I operate a repair service in California. If I use a chemical that reduces touchy switches and noisy controls, and I say I *cleaned* the controls and switches, I can be cited for a violation of California regulations. Formulations used for degreasing are generally NOT safe for use on switches and controls. In many cases, the chemical damages plastic parts inside the switches and controls, and, put bluntly, it destroys them. Chemtronics made a product a few years ago that was supposed to repair touchy switches and noisy controls, and *either immediately or over a period of days or weeks it "ate" plastics inside the switches and controls -- and utterly destroyed them. *I had to replace several pieces of equipment because this chemical damaged all the switches and controls. * *The only brand of chemicals that I use on touchy switches and noisy controls is Caig. Their DeoxIT D5 is extraordinarily effective. Their Fader-Lube is great for slide pots. They have another formulation for high-voltage applications, such as selector switches in some tube integrated amplifiers. They have numerous other formulations for protecting metal surfaces, such as in factories or maritime applications, against oxidation. http://www.caig.com/ Best, Fred Longworth Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:44 PM, wrote: > John, > > > > Let me begin by extending my gratitute. Your advise was exactly correct > and worked perfectly. > > > > The way that the 680 is assembled, there isn't much room to get the pots > away from the rest of the deck unless you are willing to do some soldering. > Luckily, they are all mounted on plate that can be unscrewed and the wires > are just long enough to get a towel wrapped around the assembly to keep the > cleaner away from the plastic parts. With a few squirts and twists followed > by a long drying period, the deck went back together and the pots are now > completely silent. They is also noticably less friction and a smoother feel > to them. > > > > I did stray a bit however in one respect. I had trouble finding CRC 2-26, > so I went to the local Pep Boys, looked around at what they had, and settled > for something called CRC Electro-Motive Electronic Parts Cleaner. It came > with a plastic tube for directing the spray. It's sold as a degreasing > cleaner for car parts like alternators and such. The can has specific > warnings about how the cleaner can be harmful to plastics and that it is not > meant for use with "sensitive electronic equipment such as VRCs". It's > curious that manufacturers put warnings like that on there products in text > so small that it can only be read in bright light with 20/20 vision. Surely > for legal reasons. At any rate, I tested a few drops of it on the edges of > a circuit board and on the labels on the back of the pots and nothing > dissappeared, so the final result is what it is. > > > > I do have one lingering concern in that the product I used most certainly > does not leave a residue and therefore does not contain a lubricant (other > than the wetting action that it itself provides before it evaporates). So > my question is how long will the pots stay in this clean condition and could > they now possibly be susceptible to oxidation? If the answer is yes, I will > continue to search for the CRC2-26. I have waited nearly 30 years to arrive > at a point in life where the means and spare time come together to allow for > upgrading from the 480, so I'd like to keep my new toy in the best condition > possible. By the way, I must say that the tapes that were recorded on the > 480 through the 1980's and early 1990's sound just as good today and > possibly better as speaker technology has advanced so much in recent years. > > > > So once again John, thank you for the advise. > > > > Dean > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dbauer45 at comcast.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 9:20:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues > > Hi Dean > > That's an easy one. Your pots (potentiometers) need cleaning, lubricating, > and exercise. In the first instance, you will probably find that the > problems with them will decrease simply with exercise. Give them a few dozen > rotations from one extreme to the other - do it to all the pots - Output, > Concentric Left and Right Input, and Master Input. > > To do it properly, you should also spray the pots internally with a > cleaner/lubricant. Different techs have different favourite sprays for this. > My favourite is CRC 2-26 - cheap and easily obtainable. You need to take off > the top cover and gain access to the "pots". You'll find that there are > various entry points to most pots - that is, a hole in the metal casing, or > a gap where the connections emerge from the case. CRC 2-26 (and probably > most other spray cleaners) comes with a plastic tube that fits into the > spray can nozzle. You aim this tubing into an opening in the pot and flood > it with cleaner/lubricant. When you do this, use a cloth strategically > placed to catch as much of the fluid that runs out of the pot as you can. > Clean up excess fluid afterwards, but be careful not to damage components in > the vacinity of the pots. After flooding the pot, give it some exercise as > above, and then a final flush out with the spray. After this treatment, most > pots behave very well. > > Do not use a cleaner that has no lubricant, and do not use thick heavy duty > products like WD40. The notes on the can should tell you if the product is > appropriate. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 03:31:21 +0000 (UTC) > From: dbauer45 at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > < > 1152903179.10935601267500681524.JavaMail.root at sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Nakkers, > > There is a very nice 680ZX in my listening room purchased off of eBay a > while back.  Some time ago, this forum assisted in getting its fluorescent > > display back in operation with the replacement of a couple of the orange > caps.  I do not recall at this point who suggested the cap replacement, > but > he was spot on with that diagnosis and which caps were the culprits. > > As my luck would have it, my preamp went out just as I was about to begin > to > use the deck for recording.  So now many months later, the rest of the > system is working and ready to go.  As I put the deck through azimuth > alignment and recording level adjustment, I found a problem or problems > with > the front panel knob adjustments.  (The head alignment seems to work fine) > > > First, when the output level knob is turned, the output will drop out at > certain spots and send grainy noise through the system.  This only happens > > while the knob is turning.  Let go and the output is OK. > > The second issue in nearly identical to the first and is an issue with the > concentric left/right record level knobs and the master record level knob. > While the deck is recording, if the left record level knob is turned, the > left channel signal will drop out at spots.  The right channel record > level > seems to work smoothly.  Gentle sideways pressure on the rec level knob > will > also make the left channel drop out.  If the Master record level knob is > turned, the left channel will again drop out in spots along the rotation. > > >From my limited knowledge of electronics, these symptoms might be caused > by > debris in the potentiometers.  I am assuming that there are potentiometers > > behind these knobs that control the signal levels.  I would also guess > that there > may be one or more lead wires that may no longer be securely attached. > > The deck has not yet been opened, buy I will have a look inside for loose > wires in the coming days.  Does anyone have suggestions for a fix if it is > > not a wire issue?  Can the pots be disassembled, cleaned and reassembled > easily?  Or is my guess off on this one? > > Any assistance is greatly appreciated. > > Dean > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbauer45 at comcast.net Mon Mar 8 01:57:40 2010 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (dbauer45 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 00:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues In-Reply-To: <1201553928.13554441268007774030.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1625024357.13567861268009860827.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> That is exactly right concerning the solvating power of some organic solvents with plastics.  And that is exactly why I tested the product on a few internal surfaces before stepping into the unknown.  One thing I did not mention is that after cleaning the first pot, it was allowed to dry and then sound tested before the other pots were cleaned. I have a funny story about my younger days when I took a severely scratched CD to work to try out a few solvents and their effectiveness at removing the defects.  I should mention that I am a chemist and at my previous place of employ had access to a wide range of organic solvents.  So I tried a few and quickly learned that toluene makes short work of polycarbonate.  At the end of the day, all that was left of the CD was a wrinkled sheet of aluminum foil.  Still, I claimed victory as the scratches were completely gone! Back to the pot issue.  The solvent in CRC Electro-Motive cleaner is tetrachloroethane and the propellant is carbon dioxide.  There are no other ingredients.  Chlorinated organics are famous solvents because they dissolve a wide range of other org anics, which is why they are sold as degreasers.  But other than s olvating power, this CRC product is completely non-reactive and  can not cause oxidation of metals.  It also has a high vapor pressure which means it evaporates quickly and leaves no residue.  It can and will however strip protective films and leave sensitive metal parts suseptible to oxidation.  That's why I asked about leaving the pots untreated. It appears to have worked in my case as the pots are silent still and show no ill effects now some 24 hours or so later, but m ake no mistake, I am NOT endorsing the named product.   Thanks for the advise about Deoxit.  I've heard about it many times but have never used it.  Might be time to change that. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Longworth" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 5:17:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues You may have made a serious mistake. I use Caig DeoxIT E5 (and Caig's several other formulations, such as fader-lube). I use these exclusively. They will NOT harm plastics. The problem is the word "cleaning." You are NOT cleaning the controls; you are treating the controls. You are applying a chemical formulation that reverses some of the oxidation of contacts, that leaves a line of defense against future oxidation, and that lubricates the control. I operate a repair service in California. If I use a chemical that reduces touchy switches and noisy controls, and I say I cleaned the controls and switches, I can be cited for a violation of California regulations. Formulations used for degreasing are generally NOT safe for use on switches and controls. In many cases, the chemical damages plastic parts inside the switches and controls, and, put bluntly, it destroys them. Chemtronics made a product a few years ago that was supposed to repair touchy switches and noisy controls, and either immediately or over a period of days or weeks it "ate" plastics inside the switches and controls -- and utterly destroyed them. I had to replace several pieces of equipment because this chemical damaged all the switches and controls. The only brand of chemicals that I use on touchy switches and noisy controls is Caig. Their DeoxIT D5 is extraordinarily effective. Their Fader-Lube is great for slide pots. They have another formulation for high-voltage applications, such as selector switches in some tube integrated amplifiers. They have numerous other formulations for protecting metal surfaces, such as in factories or maritime applications, against oxidation. http://www.caig.com/ Best, Fred Longworth Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:44 PM, < dbauer45 at comcast.net > wrote: John, Let me begin by extending my gratitute.  Your advise was exactly correct and worked perfectly.  The way that the 680 is assembled, there isn't much room to get the pots away from the rest of the deck unless you are willing to do some soldering.  Luckily, they are all mounted on plate that can be unscrewed and the wires are just long enough to get a towel wrapped around the assembly to keep the cleaner away from the plastic parts.  With a few squirts and twists followed by a long drying period, the deck went back together and the pots are now completely silent.  They is also noticably less friction and a smoother feel to them. I did stray a bit however in one respect.  I had trouble finding CRC 2-26, so I went to the local Pep Boys, looked around at what they had, and settled for something called CRC Electro-Motive Electronic Parts Cleaner.  It came with a plastic tube for directing the spray.  It's sold as a degreasing cleaner for car parts like alternators and such.  The can has specific warnings about how the cleaner can be harmful to plastics and that it is not meant for use with "sensitive electronic equipment such as VRCs".  It's curious that manufacturers put warnings like that on there products in text so small that it can only be read in bright light with 20/20 vision.  Surely for legal reasons.  At any rate, I tested a few drops of it on the edges of a circuit board and on the labels on the back of the pots and nothing dissappeared, so the final result is what it is.  I do have one lingering concern in that the product I used most certainly does not leave a residue and therefore does not contain a lubricant (other than the wetting action that it itself provides before it evaporates).   So my question is how long will the pots stay in this clean condition and could they now possibly be susceptible to oxidation?  If the answer is yes, I will continue to search for the CRC2-26.  I have waited nearly 30 years to arrive at a point in life where the means and spare time come together to allow for upgrading from the 480, so I'd like to keep my new toy in the best condition possible.  By the way, I must say that the tapes that were recorded on the 480 through the 1980's and early 1990's sound just as good today and possibly better as speaker technology has advanced so much in recent years. So once again John, thank you for the advise. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: dbauer45 at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 9:20:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues Hi Dean That's an easy one. Your pots (potentiometers) need cleaning, lubricating, and exercise. In the first instance, you will probably find that the problems with them will decrease simply with exercise. Give them a few dozen rotations from one extreme to the other - do it to all the pots - Output, Concentric Left and Right Input, and Master Input. To do it properly, you should also spray the pots internally with a cleaner/lubricant. Different techs have different favourite sprays for this. My favourite is CRC 2-26 - cheap and easily obtainable. You need to take off the top cover and gain access to the "pots". You'll find that there are various entry points to most pots - that is, a hole in the metal casing, or a gap where the connections emerge from the case. CRC 2-26 (and probably most other spray cleaners) comes with a plastic tube that fits into the spray can nozzle. You aim this tubing into an opening in the pot and flood it with cleaner/lubricant. When you do this, use a cloth strategically placed to catch as much of the fluid that runs out of the pot as you can. Clean up excess fluid afterwards, but be careful not to damage components in the vacinity of the pots. After flooding the pot, give it some exercise as above, and then a final flush out with the spray. After this treatment, most pots behave very well. Do not use a cleaner that has no lubricant, and do not use thick heavy duty products like WD40. The notes on the can should tell you if the product is appropriate. Regards John Gipps Message: 10 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 03:31:21 +0000 (UTC) From: dbauer45 at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID:     < 1152903179.10935601267500681524.JavaMail.root at sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net >     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Nakkers, There is a very nice 680ZX in my listening room purchased off of eBay a while back.  Some time ago, this forum assisted in getting its fluorescent display back in operation with the replacement of a couple of the orange caps.  I do not recall at this point who suggested the cap replacement, but he was spot on with that diagnosis and which caps were the culprits. As my luck would have it, my preamp went out just as I was about to begin to use the deck for recording.  So now many months later, the rest of the system is working and ready to go.  As I put the deck through azimuth alignment and recording level adjustment, I found a problem or problems with the front panel knob adjustments.  (The head alignment seems to work fine) First, when the output level knob is turned, the output will drop out at certain spots and send grainy noise through the system.  This only happens while the knob is turning.  Let go and the output is OK. The second issue in nearly identical to the first and is an issue with the concentric left/right record level knobs and the master record level knob. While the deck is recording, if the left record level knob is turned, the left channel signal will drop out at spots.  The right channel record level seems to work smoothly.  Gentle sideways pressure on the rec level knob will also make the left channel drop out.  If the Master record level knob is turned, the left channel will again drop out in spots along the rotation. >From my limited knowledge of electronics, these symptoms might be caused by debris in the potentiometers.  I am assuming that there are potentiometers behind these knobs that control the signal levels.  I would also guess that there may be one or more lead wires that may no longer be securely attached. The deck has not yet been opened, buy I will have a look inside for loose wires in the coming days.  Does anyone have suggestions for a fix if it is not a wire issue?  Can the pots be disassembled, cleaned and reassembled easily?  Or is my guess off on this one? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 09:17:42 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 00:17:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale In-Reply-To: <817046.68697.qm@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <817046.68697.qm@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <965085.89169.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It would help each potential buyer to assess his own interest if you listed asking prices, as well as shipping weights and your location. -- Ron ________________________________ From: jesse ruff To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 3:53:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale Hello Kind Group, I'm about to sell off some Naks--thought it only right to at least throw it out there before I go through all the fun of Ebay. If you are interested in any of the following, just drop me a line jeruff at yahoo.com. If not, they'll be for sale online in a couple weeks. MR-1--new belts and gear update; most likely needs a new reel motor (this diagnosis comes courtesy of Naktalk); acceptable used condition otherwise (top has some rack rash, face fine) 700 II--another promising deck I hit a wall on--after two repair shops (have the most recent receipt with the official diagnosis), it's stored in its original box due to a faulty "reel assembly" I want to say...Jeff from ES Labs told me he didn't have any more of the part. Otherwise, it's in awesome shape with very minimal 'wear'. I bought it from the original owner a couple years ago, but unfortunately he hadn't used it in a long time. Also have a a hard copy of the service manual and some of the original paperwork and a cleaning cloth 480--Silver version with metal tape capability. Another deck I had serviced (over $200 sunk into this one). The eject issue was repaired and it does sound good on playback; however, the one time I tried to record with it, it sounded terrible and was clearly not recording with very much signal or evenly if I recall. Original manual included. BX-1--nice silver one with a new rubber idler tire. Sounds and works like a Nak should. CR-3--Bought this from the original owner a few months back. Works but definitely needs a tune-up. It's in great cosmetic shape though. DR-3--Works like new; a bit of a scuff on the front where a little paint is missing--could be Sharpied over to make less noticeable, or not I would donate a few of these decks if I didn't need to recoup some of what I invested. Let me know, Jesse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Mar 8 09:38:43 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:38:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] recent donations to naks.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40635a2e89fd2ed2b68f7f1f427d2c52.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Tried to contact all donators, only got a response for the RX-202 which is in 'Long Island, NY, Suffolk County'. Anyone around there wishing to pick this deck up please let me know off-list. Wouter > Hi Everyone, > > There are 3 recent donations to Naks.com: > > 1) BX-300 in the US > 2) RX-202 in the US > 3) 580 in the UK > > I'm trying to find out where exactly the decks are for a local pickup From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 11:29:48 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 02:29:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues In-Reply-To: <1625024357.13567861268009860827.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1201553928.13554441268007774030.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1625024357.13567861268009860827.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Dean, It is actually Caig DeoxIT D-5, not E5. My typo. It does help that you are a chemist! Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:57 PM, wrote: > That is exactly right concerning the solvating power of some organic > solvents with plastics. And that is exactly why I tested the product on a > few internal surfaces before stepping into the unknown. One thing I did not > mention is that after cleaning the first pot, it was allowed to dry and then > sound tested before the other pots were cleaned. > > > > I have a funny story about my younger days when I took a severely scratched > CD to work to try out a few solvents and their effectiveness at removing the > defects. I should mention that I am a chemist and at my previous place of > employ had access to a wide range of organic solvents. So I tried a few and > quickly learned that toluene makes short work of polycarbonate. At the end > of the day, all that was left of the CD was a wrinkled sheet of aluminum > foil. Still, I claimed victory as the scratches were completely gone! > > > > Back to the pot issue. The solvent in CRC Electro-Motive cleaner is > tetrachloroethane and the propellant is carbon dioxide. There are no other > ingredients. Chlorinated organics are famous solvents because they dissolve > a wide range of other organics, which is why they are sold as degreasers. > But other than solvating power, this CRC product is completely non-reactive > and can not cause oxidation of metals. It also has a high vapor pressure > which means it evaporates quickly and leaves no residue. It can and will > however strip protective films and leave sensitive metal parts suseptible to > oxidation. That's why I asked about leaving the pots untreated. > > > > It appears to have worked in my case as the pots are silent still and show > no ill effects now some 24 hours or so later, but make no mistake, I am NOT > endorsing the named product. > > > > Thanks for the advise about Deoxit. I've heard about it many times but > have never used it. Might be time to change that. > > > > Dean > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Longworth" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 5:17:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues > > You may have made a serious mistake. I use Caig DeoxIT E5 (and Caig's > several other formulations, such as fader-lube). I use these exclusively. > They will NOT harm plastics. > > The problem is the word "cleaning." You are NOT *cleaning* the controls; > you are *treating* the controls. You are applying a chemical formulation > that reverses some of the oxidation of contacts, that leaves a line of > defense against future oxidation, and that lubricates the control. I operate > a repair service in California. If I use a chemical that reduces touchy > switches and noisy controls, and I say I *cleaned* the controls and > switches, I can be cited for a violation of California regulations. > > Formulations used for degreasing are generally NOT safe for use on switches > and controls. In many cases, the chemical damages plastic parts inside the > switches and controls, and, put bluntly, it destroys them. Chemtronics made > a product a few years ago that was supposed to repair touchy switches and > noisy controls, and *either immediately or over a period of days or weeks > it "ate" plastics inside the switches and controls -- and utterly destroyed > them. *I had to replace several pieces of equipment because this chemical > damaged all the switches and controls. > * > *The only brand of chemicals that I use on touchy switches and noisy > controls is Caig. Their DeoxIT D5 is extraordinarily effective. Their > Fader-Lube is great for slide pots. They have another formulation for > high-voltage applications, such as selector switches in some tube integrated > amplifiers. They have numerous other formulations for protecting metal > surfaces, such as in factories or maritime applications, against oxidation. > > http://www.caig.com/ > > Best, > > Fred Longworth > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:44 PM, wrote: > >> John, >> >> >> >> Let me begin by extending my gratitute. Your advise was exactly correct >> and worked perfectly. >> >> >> >> The way that the 680 is assembled, there isn't much room to get the pots >> away from the rest of the deck unless you are willing to do some soldering. >> Luckily, they are all mounted on plate that can be unscrewed and the wires >> are just long enough to get a towel wrapped around the assembly to keep the >> cleaner away from the plastic parts. With a few squirts and twists followed >> by a long drying period, the deck went back together and the pots are now >> completely silent. They is also noticably less friction and a smoother feel >> to them. >> >> >> >> I did stray a bit however in one respect. I had trouble finding CRC 2-26, >> so I went to the local Pep Boys, looked around at what they had, and settled >> for something called CRC Electro-Motive Electronic Parts Cleaner. It came >> with a plastic tube for directing the spray. It's sold as a degreasing >> cleaner for car parts like alternators and such. The can has specific >> warnings about how the cleaner can be harmful to plastics and that it is not >> meant for use with "sensitive electronic equipment such as VRCs". It's >> curious that manufacturers put warnings like that on there products in text >> so small that it can only be read in bright light with 20/20 vision. Surely >> for legal reasons. At any rate, I tested a few drops of it on the edges of >> a circuit board and on the labels on the back of the pots and nothing >> dissappeared, so the final result is what it is. >> >> >> >> I do have one lingering concern in that the product I used most certainly >> does not leave a residue and therefore does not contain a lubricant (other >> than the wetting action that it itself provides before it evaporates). So >> my question is how long will the pots stay in this clean condition and could >> they now possibly be susceptible to oxidation? If the answer is yes, I will >> continue to search for the CRC2-26. I have waited nearly 30 years to arrive >> at a point in life where the means and spare time come together to allow for >> upgrading from the 480, so I'd like to keep my new toy in the best condition >> possible. By the way, I must say that the tapes that were recorded on the >> 480 through the 1980's and early 1990's sound just as good today and >> possibly better as speaker technology has advanced so much in recent years. >> >> >> >> So once again John, thank you for the advise. >> >> >> >> Dean >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: dbauer45 at comcast.net >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 9:20:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues >> >> Hi Dean >> >> That's an easy one. Your pots (potentiometers) need cleaning, lubricating, >> and exercise. In the first instance, you will probably find that the >> problems with them will decrease simply with exercise. Give them a few dozen >> rotations from one extreme to the other - do it to all the pots - Output, >> Concentric Left and Right Input, and Master Input. >> >> To do it properly, you should also spray the pots internally with a >> cleaner/lubricant. Different techs have different favourite sprays for this. >> My favourite is CRC 2-26 - cheap and easily obtainable. You need to take off >> the top cover and gain access to the "pots". You'll find that there are >> various entry points to most pots - that is, a hole in the metal casing, or >> a gap where the connections emerge from the case. CRC 2-26 (and probably >> most other spray cleaners) comes with a plastic tube that fits into the >> spray can nozzle. You aim this tubing into an opening in the pot and flood >> it with cleaner/lubricant. When you do this, use a cloth strategically >> placed to catch as much of the fluid that runs out of the pot as you can. >> Clean up excess fluid afterwards, but be careful not to damage components in >> the vacinity of the pots. After flooding the pot, give it some exercise as >> above, and then a final flush out with the spray. After this treatment, most >> pots behave very well. >> >> Do not use a cleaner that has no lubricant, and do not use thick heavy >> duty products like WD40. The notes on the can should tell you if the product >> is appropriate. >> >> Regards >> >> John Gipps >> >> >> >> Message: 10 >> >> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 03:31:21 +0000 (UTC) >> From: dbauer45 at comcast.net >> Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> < >> 1152903179.10935601267500681524.JavaMail.root at sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> Nakkers, >> >> There is a very nice 680ZX in my listening room purchased off of eBay a >> while back.  Some time ago, this forum assisted in getting its >> fluorescent >> display back in operation with the replacement of a couple of the orange >> caps.  I do not recall at this point who suggested the cap replacement, >> but >> he was spot on with that diagnosis and which caps were the culprits. >> >> As my luck would have it, my preamp went out just as I was about to begin >> to >> use the deck for recording.  So now many months later, the rest of the >> system is working and ready to go.  As I put the deck through azimuth >> alignment and recording level adjustment, I found a problem or problems >> with >> the front panel knob adjustments.  (The head alignment seems to work >> fine) >> >> First, when the output level knob is turned, the output will drop out at >> certain spots and send grainy noise through the system.  This only >> happens >> while the knob is turning.  Let go and the output is OK. >> >> The second issue in nearly identical to the first and is an issue with the >> >> concentric left/right record level knobs and the master record level knob. >> >> While the deck is recording, if the left record level knob is turned, the >> left channel signal will drop out at spots.  The right channel record >> level >> seems to work smoothly.  Gentle sideways pressure on the rec level knob >> will >> also make the left channel drop out.  If the Master record level knob is >> turned, the left channel will again drop out in spots along the rotation. >> >> >From my limited knowledge of electronics, these symptoms might be caused >> by >> debris in the potentiometers.  I am assuming that there are >> potentiometers >> behind these knobs that control the signal levels.  I would also guess >> that there >> may be one or more lead wires that may no longer be securely attached. >> >> The deck has not yet been opened, buy I will have a look inside for loose >> wires in the coming days.  Does anyone have suggestions for a fix if it >> is >> not a wire issue?  Can the pots be disassembled, cleaned and reassembled >> easily?  Or is my guess off on this one? >> >> Any assistance is greatly appreciated. >> >> Dean >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Mon Mar 8 13:45:47 2010 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:45:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] price on a DR-1? In-Reply-To: <4B940602.4080907@snet.net> References: <4B8F9FD4.4080407@snet.net> <4B940602.4080907@snet.net> Message-ID: <4B94F17B.8030007@hol.gr> Hi Stephen As i have a DR-1 in pristine condition as yours, i think you should not ask less than 350USD. To my knowledge this NAK is the best of the last generation (after 1990). Mine is made in Japan despite the less expensive DR-2and DR-3 which are made in S. Korea or Taiwan (not so sure about the last)... They usually sell around 400 or even better if their condition is very good (both aesthetic and functional). Just my 2 cents....Manos O/H Stephen Windsor ??????: > Hi, good afternoon everyone, > > Decided to let go of my DR-1, don't use it much anymore. > > Original owner since 1997. Have the nak replacement belt for it, Jeff > from ESL gave me in 2004. > Have played it sporadically since 2004. Always good tapes, > non-smoking environment. > > i honestly don't know what to ask for it. > > The price in my head is $200, plus shipping. > > Opinions, please? just want to sell at a fair price, no matter what > that is. > > Thanks, > Steve > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Mon Mar 8 14:27:10 2010 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:27:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] price on a DR-1? Message-ID: <380-22010318132710460@M2W133.mail2web.com> Wow, a used deck for $350?? That seems really high. Is there really that kind of a market for these?? What do you think a BX300 would go for? I have had the gear upgrade and it does have the variable pitch control. Please say '$500' and that you know someone who will buy it!!! I see a couple BX300s on ebay, with people asking around $300, which I think is laughable. But I have been wrong before!!! Mike Original Message: ----------------- From: Emmanuel T. Komninos koman56 at hol.gr Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:45:47 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] price on a DR-1? Hi Stephen As i have a DR-1 in pristine condition as yours, i think you should not ask less than 350USD. To my knowledge this NAK is the best of the last generation (after 1990). Mine is made in Japan despite the less expensive DR-2and DR-3 which are made in S. Korea or Taiwan (not so sure about the last)... They usually sell around 400 or even better if their condition is very good (both aesthetic and functional). Just my 2 cents....Manos O/H Stephen Windsor ??????: > Hi, good afternoon everyone, > > Decided to let go of my DR-1, don't use it much anymore. > > Original owner since 1997. Have the nak replacement belt for it, Jeff > from ESL gave me in 2004. > Have played it sporadically since 2004. Always good tapes, > non-smoking environment. > > i honestly don't know what to ask for it. > > The price in my head is $200, plus shipping. > > Opinions, please? just want to sell at a fair price, no matter what > that is. > > Thanks, > Steve > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From johngipps at ymail.com Mon Mar 8 14:32:01 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:32:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues In-Reply-To: <201003081128.o28BJ8wC001872@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003081128.o28BJ8wC001872@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <872180.98111.qm@web113719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Dean My only concern is that you may have removed the lubrication from the pots, but it certainly seems that you have cleaned them very effectively. I would recommend that you repeat the job either with CRC 2-26, or with some other product that does include a lubricant. While CRC 2-26 is easily available here in Australia, I guess my recommendation is not a lot of use to you if you can't find it in your local area. I haven't used the particular CRC product that you used, and I haven't ever used a Caig product, so I can't give any opinion on their relative merits or effectiveness. I can report though that in my time as an authorized Nakamichi Service Centre, whenever a pot needed cleaning and lubricating, the job was done with CRC 2-26, with 100% success. Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 04:44:24 +0000 (UTC) From: dbauer45 at comcast.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <911242666.13334521267937064559.JavaMail.root at sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" John, Let me begin by extending my gratitute. Your advise was exactly correct and worked perfectly. The way that the 680 is assembled, there isn't much room to get the pots away from the rest of the deck unless you are willing to do some soldering. Luckily, they are all mounted on plate that can be unscrewed and the wires are just long enough to get a towel wrapped around the assembly to keep the cleaner away from the plastic parts. With a few squirts and twists followed by a long drying period, the deck went back together and the pots are now completely silent. They is also noticably less friction and a smoother feel to them. I did stray a bit however in one respect. I had trouble finding CRC 2-26, so I went to the local Pep Boys, looked around at what they had, and settled for something called CRC Electro-Motive Electronic Parts Cleaner. It came with a plastic tube for directing the spray. It's sold as a degreasing cleaner for car parts like alternators and such. The can has specific warnings about how the cleaner can be harmful to plastics and that it is not meant for use with "sensitive electronic equipment such as VRCs". It's curious that manufacturers put warnings like that on there products in text so small that it can only be read in bright light with 20/20 vision.  Surely for legal reasons. At any rate, I tested a few drops of it on the edges of a circuit board and on the labels on the back of the pots and nothing dissappeared, so the final result is what it is. I do have one lingering concern in that the product I used most certainly does not leave a residue and therefore does not contain a lubricant (other than the wetting action that it itself provides before it evaporates).  So my question is how long will the pots stay in this clean condition and could they now possibly be susceptible to oxidation? If the answer is yes, I will continue to search for the CRC2-26. I have waited nearly 30 years to arrive at a point in life where the means and spare time come together to allow for upgrading from the 480, so I'd like to keep my new toy in the best condition possible. By the way, I must say that the tapes that were recorded on the 480 through the 1980's and early 1990's sound just as good today and possibly better as speaker technology has advanced so much in recent years. So once again John, thank you for the advise. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From esteyes at cox.net Mon Mar 8 21:43:54 2010 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:43:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] recent donations to naks.com Message-ID: <4B95618A.4030108@cox.net> i also offered a 480 recently. it is in san diego, ca. i'll pack it. shipping can be discussed. neil Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:38:43 +0100 From: "Wouter Heijke" Subject: Re: [naktalk] recent donations to naks.com To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <40635a2e89fd2ed2b68f7f1f427d2c52.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Tried to contact all donators, only got a response for the RX-202 which is in 'Long Island, NY, Suffolk County'. Anyone around there wishing to pick this deck up please let me know off-list. Wouter > > Hi Everyone, > > > > There are 3 recent donations to Naks.com: > > > > 1) BX-300 in the US > > 2) RX-202 in the US > > 3) 580 in the UK > > > > I'm trying to find out where exactly the decks are for a local pickup > -- shadowboxing the apocalypse, wandering the land -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenr at snet.net Mon Mar 8 23:54:27 2010 From: stephenr at snet.net (Stephen Windsor) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:54:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] price on a DR-1? In-Reply-To: <4B940602.4080907@snet.net> References: <4B8F9FD4.4080407@snet.net> <4B940602.4080907@snet.net> Message-ID: <4B958023.8050606@snet.net> i sold my Nak DR-1 to Jeff of ESL labs, since i was local. Thank you Jeff :) On 3/7/2010 3:01 PM, Stephen Windsor wrote: > Hi, good afternoon everyone, > > Decided to let go of my DR-1, don't use it much anymore. > > Original owner since 1997. Have the nak replacement belt for it, Jeff > from ESL gave me in 2004. > Have played it sporadically since 2004. Always good tapes, > non-smoking environment. > > i honestly don't know what to ask for it. > > The price in my head is $200, plus shipping. > > Opinions, please? just want to sell at a fair price, no matter what > that is. > > Thanks, > Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Tue Mar 9 04:55:52 2010 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:55:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale In-Reply-To: <965085.89169.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <868833.7998.qm@web83715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hey Ron and any interested party, I guess I figured these details could be worked out if someone really wanted the deck.  I'm in Chicago if that helps any.  I would ship the decks at cost to me (no extra charge for packing materials), and as for prices, I almost feel like what's the point?   Chances are, people are going to want to negotiate, especially when decks don't even function properly.  I guess I could provide the start prices for what I would list them at, but obviously, I would be hoping for more... MR-1   $45 700 II   $100 CR-3   $100 480   $50 BX-1  $30 DR-3  $40     --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks For Sale To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 3:17 AM It would help each potential buyer to assess his own interest if you listed asking prices, as well as shipping weights and your location. -- Ron From: jesse ruff To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 3:53:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale Hello Kind Group, I'm about to sell off some Naks--thought it only right to at least throw it out there before I go through all the fun of Ebay.  If you are interested in any of the following, just drop me a line jeruff at yahoo.com.  If not, they'll be for sale online in a couple weeks.  MR-1--new belts and gear update; most likely needs a new reel motor (this diagnosis comes courtesy of Naktalk); acceptable used condition otherwise (top has some rack rash, face fine) 700 II--another promising deck I hit a wall on--after two repair shops (have the most recent receipt with the official diagnosis), it's stored in its original box due to a faulty "reel assembly" I want to say...Jeff from ES Labs told me he didn't have any more of the part.  Otherwise, it's in awesome shape with very minimal 'wear'.  I bought it from the original owner a couple years ago, but unfortunately he hadn't used it in a long time.  Also have a a hard copy of the service manual and some of the original paperwork and a cleaning cloth 480--Silver version with metal tape capability.  Another deck I had serviced (over $200 sunk into this one).  The eject issue was repaired and it does sound good on playback; however, the one time I tried to record with it, it sounded terrible and was clearly not recording with very much signal or evenly if I recall. Original manual included.  BX-1--nice silver one with a new rubber idler tire.  Sounds and works like a Nak should. CR-3--Bought this from the original owner a few months back.  Works but definitely needs a tune-up.  It's in great cosmetic shape though. DR-3--Works like new; a bit of a scuff on the front where a little paint is missing--could be Sharpied over to make less noticeable, or not I would donate a few of these decks if I didn't need to recoup some of what I invested.  Let me know, Jesse -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Tue Mar 9 14:07:17 2010 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:07:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Test record Message-ID: <002501cabf89$71fd7060$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Does anyone have, or know where I could get, the Nakamichi 3khz test record. I had come across one last year on German E-bay by accident, as I didn't even know that such a thing existed. I got outbid and now find myself wishing I had one to set up my turntable. Cheers, Rainer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Tue Mar 9 15:59:28 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:59:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Test record In-Reply-To: <002501cabf89$71fd7060$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Ranier, I have several of the Shure test records for trackability. I'd be happy to sell some cheap. TTR103, TTR103, TTR110 tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:07 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Test record Does anyone have, or know where I could get, the Nakamichi 3khz test record. I had come across one last year on German E-bay by accident, as I didn't even know that such a thing existed. I got outbid and now find myself wishing I had one to set up my turntable. Cheers, Rainer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Mar 9 16:10:03 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:10:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Test record In-Reply-To: <002501cabf89$71fd7060$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <002501cabf89$71fd7060$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: The are other W&F records perfectly compatible with your TT. Analogue Productions "The Ultimate Analogue Test LP" and Hi Fi News "Analogue test LP" are among most popular and available everywhere. Best rgds, LP. El 09/03/2010, a las 14:07, Rainer & Joy-Ell escribió: > Does anyone have, or know where I could get, the Nakamichi 3khz test record. I had come across one last year on German E-bay by accident, as I didn't even know that such a thing existed. I got outbid and now find myself wishing I had one to set up my turntable. > > Cheers, > Rainer > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaetee at tampabay.rr.com Tue Mar 9 20:32:00 2010 From: jaetee at tampabay.rr.com (John Tucker) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:32:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale In-Reply-To: <868833.7998.qm@web83715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cabfbf$30946210$6501a8c0@BASE> Hi Jesse, Thanks for posting this. I'm interested in the MR-1 please. You can contact me directly for logistics and payment. My email address is jaetee at tampabay.rr.com. Regards, JT -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jesse ruff Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks For Sale Hey Ron and any interested party, I guess I figured these details could be worked out if someone really wanted the deck. I'm in Chicago if that helps any. I would ship the decks at cost to me (no extra charge for packing materials), and as for prices, I almost feel like what's the point? Chances are, people are going to want to negotiate, especially when decks don't even function properly. I guess I could provide the start prices for what I would list them at, but obviously, I would be hoping for more... MR-1 $45 700 II $100 CR-3 $100 480 $50 BX-1 $30 DR-3 $40 --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks For Sale To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 3:17 AM It would help each potential buyer to assess his own interest if you listed asking prices, as well as shipping weights and your location. -- Ron _____ From: jesse ruff To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 3:53:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale Hello Kind Group, I'm about to sell off some Naks--thought it only right to at least throw it out there before I go through all the fun of Ebay. If you are interested in any of the following, just drop me a line jeruff at yahoo.com. If not, they'll be for sale online in a couple weeks. MR-1--new belts and gear update; most likely needs a new reel motor (this diagnosis comes courtesy of Naktalk); acceptable used condition otherwise (top has some rack rash, face fine) 700 II--another promising deck I hit a wall on--after two repair shops (have the most recent receipt with the official diagnosis), it's stored in its original box due to a faulty "reel assembly" I want to say...Jeff from ES Labs told me he didn't have any more of the part. Otherwise, it's in awesome shape with very minimal 'wear'. I bought it from the original owner a couple years ago, but unfortunately he hadn't used it in a long time. Also have a a hard copy of the service manual and some of the original paperwork and a cleaning cloth 480--Silver version with metal tape capability. Another deck I had serviced (over $200 sunk into this one). The eject issue was repaired and it does sound good on playback; however, the one time I tried to record with it, it sounded terrible and was clearly not recording with very much signal or evenly if I recall. Original manual included. BX-1--nice silver one with a new rubber idler tire. Sounds and works like a Nak should. CR-3--Bought this from the original owner a few months back. Works but definitely needs a tune-up. It's in great cosmetic shape though. DR-3--Works like new; a bit of a scuff on the front where a little paint is missing--could be Sharpied over to make less noticeable, or not I would donate a few of these decks if I didn't need to recoup some of what I invested. Let me know, Jesse -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Tue Mar 9 15:19:40 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 06:19:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale In-Reply-To: <868833.7998.qm@web83715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <965085.89169.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <868833.7998.qm@web83715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <034501cabf93$8fbf5820$af3e0860$@net> I would be willing to chip in to get all of these donated to the group. Are we a 503c? If not, do we have a lawyer in our midst to help us do that so we can write off the donations? Would anyone else like to chip in? I'll start it off with $100, about a third of what he is asking. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jesse ruff Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks For Sale Hey Ron and any interested party, I guess I figured these details could be worked out if someone really wanted the deck. I'm in Chicago if that helps any. I would ship the decks at cost to me (no extra charge for packing materials), and as for prices, I almost feel like what's the point? Chances are, people are going to want to negotiate, especially when decks don't even function properly. I guess I could provide the start prices for what I would list them at, but obviously, I would be hoping for more... MR-1 $45 700 II $100 CR-3 $100 480 $50 BX-1 $30 DR-3 $40 --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks For Sale To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 3:17 AM It would help each potential buyer to assess his own interest if you listed asking prices, as well as shipping weights and your location. -- Ron _____ From: jesse ruff To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 3:53:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale Hello Kind Group, I'm about to sell off some Naks--thought it only right to at least throw it out there before I go through all the fun of Ebay. If you are interested in any of the following, just drop me a line jeruff at yahoo.com. If not, they'll be for sale online in a couple weeks. MR-1--new belts and gear update; most likely needs a new reel motor (this diagnosis comes courtesy of Naktalk); acceptable used condition otherwise (top has some rack rash, face fine) 700 II--another promising deck I hit a wall on--after two repair shops (have the most recent receipt with the official diagnosis), it's stored in its original box due to a faulty "reel assembly" I want to say...Jeff from ES Labs told me he didn't have any more of the part. Otherwise, it's in awesome shape with very minimal 'wear'. I bought it from the original owner a couple years ago, but unfortunately he hadn't used it in a long time. Also have a a hard copy of the service manual and some of the original paperwork and a cleaning cloth 480--Silver version with metal tape capability. Another deck I had serviced (over $200 sunk into this one). The eject issue was repaired and it does sound good on playback; however, the one time I tried to record with it, it sounded terrible and was clearly not recording with very much signal or evenly if I recall. Original manual included. BX-1--nice silver one with a new rubber idler tire. Sounds and works like a Nak should. CR-3--Bought this from the original owner a few months back. Works but definitely needs a tune-up. It's in great cosmetic shape though. DR-3--Works like new; a bit of a scuff on the front where a little paint is missing--could be Sharpied over to make less noticeable, or not I would donate a few of these decks if I didn't need to recoup some of what I invested. Let me know, Jesse -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 05:27:52 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:27:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alpine AL90 Appeal! Message-ID: <68384.64897.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, Does any one have the Alpine AL90( aka Luxman K-05) service manual? I have checked the ebaman archive but to no avail. If so, could you please send me a pdf attachment? Thanks. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 03:57:23 2010 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 18:57:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale In-Reply-To: <000001cabfbf$30946210$6501a8c0@BASE> Message-ID: <325981.74696.qm@web83706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> You and three others.  I should probably get some pics of the units here first and let interested parties take a look and make a decision.  No problem. Jesse --- On Tue, 3/9/10, John Tucker wrote: From: John Tucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks For Sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:32 PM Message Hi Jesse,   Thanks for posting this. I'm interested in the MR-1 please. You can contact me directly for logistics and payment. My email address is jaetee at tampabay.rr.com.   Regards,   JT   -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jesse ruff Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks For Sale Hey Ron and any interested party, I guess I figured these details could be worked out if someone really wanted the deck.  I'm in Chicago if that helps any.  I would ship the decks at cost to me (no extra charge for packing materials), and as for prices, I almost feel like what's the point?   Chances are, people are going to want to negotiate, especially when decks don't even function properly.  I guess I could provide the start prices for what I would list them at, but obviously, I would be hoping for more... MR-1   $45 700 II   $100 CR-3   $100 480   $50 BX-1  $30 DR-3  $40     --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks For Sale To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 3:17 AM #yiv166997561 #yiv397947830 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} It would help each potential buyer to assess his own interest if you listed asking prices, as well as shipping weights and your location. -- Ron From: jesse ruff To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 3:53:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale Hello Kind Group, I'm about to sell off some Naks--thought it only right to at least throw it out there before I go through all the fun of Ebay.  If you are interested in any of the following, just drop me a line jeruff at yahoo.com.  If not, they'll be for sale online in a couple weeks.  MR-1--new belts and gear update; most likely needs a new reel motor (this diagnosis comes courtesy of Naktalk); acceptable used condition otherwise (top has some rack rash, face fine) 700 II--another promising deck I hit a wall on--after two repair shops (have the most recent receipt with the official diagnosis), it's stored in its original box due to a faulty "reel assembly" I want to say...Jeff from ES Labs told me he didn't have any more of the part.  Otherwise, it's in awesome shape with very minimal 'wear'.  I bought it from the original owner a couple years ago, but unfortunately he hadn't used it in a long time.  Also have a a hard copy of the service manual and some of the original paperwork and a cleaning cloth 480--Silver version with metal tape capability.  Another deck I had serviced (over $200 sunk into this one).  The eject issue was repaired and it does sound good on playback; however, the one time I tried to record with it, it sounded terrible and was clearly not recording with very much signal or evenly if I recall. Original manual included.  BX-1--nice silver one with a new rubber idler tire.  Sounds and works like a Nak should. CR-3--Bought this from the original owner a few months back.  Works but definitely needs a tune-up.  It's in great cosmetic shape though. DR-3--Works like new; a bit of a scuff on the front where a little paint is missing--could be Sharpied over to make less noticeable, or not I would donate a few of these decks if I didn't need to recoup some of what I invested.  Let me know, Jesse -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Wed Mar 10 13:01:43 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Test REcords: Shure Obstacle Course Message-ID: <135380417.14106361268222503088.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello,               I belong to a very informative Vinyl Forum, and nearly unanimous, the Vinyal Audiophiles prefer the Shure Test Records, over the HiFi News  Test record. There were even reviews done on this, by one of the more popular magazines, and the Shure Test Records were tthe highest recommened.  I happen to have both, as I still have a Shure V15V-MR-LE.....among many other cartridges, but the Record was part of Shure's making sure everything was as perfect as could be, with their customers.  Great Recording, and Plenty of Test Tones, Azimuth Tests, Anti_Skate Tests, Resonant Frequency Tests......it has all you will need.   Best, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 15:46:05 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:46:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alpine AL90 Appeal! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <679043.46065.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Pelle and let me know when you do upload the file. Regards, Ram --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Pär Ericsson wrote: From: Pär Ericsson Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alpine AL90 Appeal! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 6:51 AM Ram!   I have it but it is to big (56.8 Mb) to attach in an email. Will try to upload it to Ebaman.   Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] Alpine AL90 Appeal! Hi, Does any one have the Alpine AL90( aka Luxman K-05) service manual? I have checked the ebaman archive but to no avail. If so, could you please send me a pdf attachment? Thanks. 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Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] Alpine AL90 Appeal! Hi, Does any one have the Alpine AL90( aka Luxman K-05) service manual? I have checked the ebaman archive but to no avail. If so, could you please send me a pdf attachment? Thanks. 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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 6:51 AM Ram!   I have it but it is to big (56.8 Mb) to attach in an email. Will try to upload it to Ebaman.   Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] Alpine AL90 Appeal! Hi, Does any one have the Alpine AL90( aka Luxman K-05) service manual? I have checked the ebaman archive but to no avail. If so, could you please send me a pdf attachment? Thanks. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Mar 11 09:22:41 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:22:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx & bx2 donated Message-ID: <72cd95e2f1a83633b7d2db6132b89d8f.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, New donations from Kermit, a 680zx and BX2. If you are interested contact him direcly notarbene at kvglabs.com Wouter From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 11 04:36:00 2010 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:36:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Test REcords: Shure Obstacle Course In-Reply-To: <135380417.14106361268222503088.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <135380417.14106361268222503088.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello Ray, I own all 4 of them...since the V-15/ll > type 5. Yes, were or still good test records!...pity that today they don't exist anymore! Cheers, Alex! ALEX! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:01:43 +0000 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net To: Naktalk at naks.com CC: Subject: [naktalk] Test REcords: Shure Obstacle Course Hello, I belong to a very informative Vinyl Forum, and nearly unanimous, the Vinyal Audiophiles prefer the Shure Test Records, over the HiFi News Test record. There were even reviews done on this, by one of the more popular magazines, and the Shure Test Records were tthe highest recommened. I happen to have both, as I still have a Shure V15V-MR-LE.....among many other cartridges, but the Record was part of Shure's making sure everything was as perfect as could be, with their customers. Great Recording, and Plenty of Test Tones, Azimuth Tests, Anti_Skate Tests, Resonant Frequency Tests......it has all you will need. 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All's well, easy fix, who knows, may have saved the display! Thanks, Regards, Perry Esposito ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gipps" To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: "perry nak" Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 10:48:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: T-100 brightening plasma display Hi Perry and Willy I haven't had that symptom before, but from looking at the circuit, a likely suspect would be Q709 on the Display PCB. If this transistor was breaking down, it would provide a higher voltage to the display anode at these times. As this transistor supplies only a small current to the display, it is entirely likely that it wouldn't be destroyed by intermittent breakdowns, and would simply keep breaking down every so often. It's Vcer is specified as 300V - I couldn't find a spec for Vceosus. I have had multiple instances of the capacitors in the voltage multiplier needing replacement - but this fault doesn't cause a display bright up. If you are replacing Q709 or removing it for breakdown testing (Vceosus), it might be an idea to check capacitors C705, C706, C707, and C708. They are all 10uF 160V and do fail. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:37:30 +0000 From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] T-100 brightening plasma display To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: < 1194765991-1267483100-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399927067- at bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry > Hello all, The plasma display on my T-100 will occasionally flash very bright, regardless of signal. It seems to be ambient temperature related. It never does it when cold, only if it's been on a few hours. If anyone knows if this is a common issue and where to start looking for the cause, I would be very appreciative. I have most all test gear and the SM, just point me in the right direction. Thanks! Perry Esposito -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaetee at tampabay.rr.com Thu Mar 11 19:20:22 2010 From: jaetee at tampabay.rr.com (John Tucker) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:20:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale In-Reply-To: <325981.74696.qm@web83706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005501cac147$83a8ff90$6501a8c0@BASE> Hi Jesse, Someone else can have it. I have 4 working Naks now, I don't really "need" another. Thanks & good luck, JT -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jesse ruff Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:57 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks For Sale You and three others. I should probably get some pics of the units here first and let interested parties take a look and make a decision. No problem. Jesse --- On Tue, 3/9/10, John Tucker wrote: From: John Tucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks For Sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:32 PM Hi Jesse, Thanks for posting this. I'm interested in the MR-1 please. You can contact me directly for logistics and payment. My email address is jaetee at tampabay.rr.com. Regards, JT -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jesse ruff Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks For Sale Hey Ron and any interested party, I guess I figured these details could be worked out if someone really wanted the deck. I'm in Chicago if that helps any. I would ship the decks at cost to me (no extra charge for packing materials), and as for prices, I almost feel like what's the point? Chances are, people are going to want to negotiate, especially when decks don't even function properly. I guess I could provide the start prices for what I would list them at, but obviously, I would be hoping for more... MR-1 $45 700 II $100 CR-3 $100 480 $50 BX-1 $30 DR-3 $40 --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks For Sale To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 3:17 AM It would help each potential buyer to assess his own interest if you listed asking prices, as well as shipping weights and your location. -- Ron _____ From: jesse ruff To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 3:53:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks For Sale Hello Kind Group, I'm about to sell off some Naks--thought it only right to at least throw it out there before I go through all the fun of Ebay. If you are interested in any of the following, just drop me a line jeruff at yahoo.com. If not, they'll be for sale online in a couple weeks. MR-1--new belts and gear update; most likely needs a new reel motor (this diagnosis comes courtesy of Naktalk); acceptable used condition otherwise (top has some rack rash, face fine) 700 II--another promising deck I hit a wall on--after two repair shops (have the most recent receipt with the official diagnosis), it's stored in its original box due to a faulty "reel assembly" I want to say...Jeff from ES Labs told me he didn't have any more of the part. Otherwise, it's in awesome shape with very minimal 'wear'. I bought it from the original owner a couple years ago, but unfortunately he hadn't used it in a long time. Also have a a hard copy of the service manual and some of the original paperwork and a cleaning cloth 480--Silver version with metal tape capability. Another deck I had serviced (over $200 sunk into this one). The eject issue was repaired and it does sound good on playback; however, the one time I tried to record with it, it sounded terrible and was clearly not recording with very much signal or evenly if I recall. Original manual included. BX-1--nice silver one with a new rubber idler tire. Sounds and works like a Nak should. CR-3--Bought this from the original owner a few months back. Works but definitely needs a tune-up. It's in great cosmetic shape though. DR-3--Works like new; a bit of a scuff on the front where a little paint is missing--could be Sharpied over to make less noticeable, or not I would donate a few of these decks if I didn't need to recoup some of what I invested. 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Vic Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                 LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       From hitech at birch.net Fri Mar 12 21:44:29 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:44:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX? In-Reply-To: <000301cac217$caa2be60$5fe83b20$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Vic, I strongly recommend the 680 or the 682. Aligning a quasi-3 head deck is a royal pain! I am fairly certain there are mistakes in the service manual that make it a tough job. I have an extra 680 tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:11 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX? Does anyone have any experience with a 681ZX? I might bid on one on E-bay. Look pretty beat up but may have potential. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                 LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jpmoss2 at netzero.com Fri Mar 12 16:41:17 2010 From: jpmoss2 at netzero.com (jim phillips) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:41:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BTW what does steve shank charge to over hall a working drangon? I paid only a grand almost new ( lightly used store demo )back in late 80'. I was good to have a freind working at Tweeter ect . back in the day.At 11:44 PM 3/10/2010, you wrote: >Check this one out which just sold. > >Item number 230444918830 > >Just a brief description with two pictures that don't show the whole deck. >No recent calibration, no new belts, or service of any kind >mentioned in the ad. > >The Dragon I own is fully serviced by Steve Sank with the 33 orange >capacitor replacement. Of course it's worth more! > > > > >---------- >Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >Sign up now. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Rj9guq0aGwQF3HFO_PEJbQAAJ1H3aUvHyMG-lsE-Pmt641v4AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Fri Mar 12 21:35:50 2010 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (KEVIN ROGERS) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:35:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX? In-Reply-To: <000301cac217$caa2be60$5fe83b20$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <137861.80546.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Victor:   Basically the same as a 682ZX without the ability to monitor during recording. I have a parts deck.   Kevin Rogers --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX? To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 7:11 PM Does anyone have any experience with a 681ZX? I might bid on one on E-bay. Look pretty beat up but may have potential. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                        LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Mar 12 23:03:34 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:03:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX? In-Reply-To: <000301cac217$caa2be60$5fe83b20$@utah.edu> References: <000301cac217$caa2be60$5fe83b20$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <4b6f92901003121403g6b6e4a14qf28886b9d7fa2f9b@mail.gmail.com> The 681ZX is one of those odd decks with three heads but no monitoring. The same electronics and Dolby circuits are used for both recording and playback which saved some money. This one is even odder in that there are separate play electronics to allow the auto azimuth and level sets to work. Other than that it's the same as a 682ZX. It has all the normal tired transport diseases that any of those transports are prone to. If you can do all that work it shouldn't be a problem. I looked at this one and it doesn't look that beat up to me. Willy On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with a 681ZX? I might bid on one on E-bay. > Look pretty beat up but may have potential. > > Vic > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Aligning a quasi-3 head deck is a royal pain! I am fairly certain there are mistakes in the service manual that make it a tough job. I have an extra 680 tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:11 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX? Does anyone have any experience with a 681ZX? I might bid on one on E-bay. Look pretty beat up but may have potential. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                 LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Mar 13 06:07:37 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:07:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay References: Message-ID: Stephen does not do Naks anymore! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: jim phillips To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay BTW what does steve shank charge to over hall a working drangon? I paid only a grand almost new ( lightly used store demo )back in late 80'. I was good to have a freind working at Tweeter ect . back in the day.At 11:44 PM 3/10/2010, you wrote: Check this one out which just sold. Item number 230444918830 Just a brief description with two pictures that don't show the whole deck. No recent calibration, no new belts, or service of any kind mentioned in the ad. The Dragon I own is fully serviced by Steve Sank with the 33 orange capacitor replacement. Of course it's worth more! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 12 23:55:26 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:55:26 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Last word was Mr. Sank no longer services Nak decks. Lucky for me mine was serviced in 2002 along with the same service on an LX-5. I'm one of the guys who's been on this forum for the past decade. There's still great guys who know their lemons on servicing Nak decks. Of course there's Tom and Willy, you're have to check on their availability. I also had a deck serviced by Andy Pena. Can't speak for U.S. service on the rest of the group, but I know they're out there. Also there's Ron out on the east coast. Naktalk used to start out as comparing the sound of decks with little chat on fixing them. I like how Naktalk has been for the past few years. There's a lot of help you can get here. I just got my second 600II up and running and will run it for two weeks to make sure everything is o.k. That's right, now I'm fixing decks to some extent! Like Tom once mentioned - 'One of the goals here on Naktalk is to get as many Nak decks out there up and running'. That makes a lot of sense. In conclusion, I'll take my serviced Dragon over that one which sold for $1,300. Have you also noticed no word was mentioned on how it was going to be packed? No double box mentioned. I learned one thing from that Ebay ad - if there's a mint Dragon out there that lights up when plugged in, but doesn't do anything, it must be worth $500! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:41:17 -0500 To: naktalk at naks.com From: jpmoss2 at netzero.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay BTW what does steve shank charge to over hall a working drangon? I paid only a grand almost new ( lightly used store demo )back in late 80'. I was good to have a freind working at Tweeter ect . back in the day.At 11:44 PM 3/10/2010, you wrote: Check this one out which just sold. Item number 230444918830 Just a brief description with two pictures that don't show the whole deck. No recent calibration, no new belts, or service of any kind mentioned in the ad. The Dragon I own is fully serviced by Steve Sank with the 33 orange capacitor replacement. Of course it's worth more! Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. 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Here's some specs: 3-Head LC-OFC Laser Amorphous Heads Quartz-locked Direct Drive / Closed-Loop Dual Capstan (wow&flutter 0.025% WRMS) TCM-200 Drive Assembly, Dual-Mono Amplifier section Frequency Response 15Hz-22kHz (20Hz-20KHz ±3dB) Linear Counter, Peak Hold, Bias/Rec Level Calibration Side Wood Panels Weight: 9 Kg I'm looking for €150 euros + shipping (the deck is located in Denmark). Local pick up is preferred. Sincerely, Michael B. American version: TC-K700ES European version: TC-K730ES Japanese version: TC-K333ESR These links has some info & pics on the similar american version: http://www.thevintageknob.org/SONY/sonyes/TCK700ES/TCK700ES.html http://www.audio-extasa.eu/sony-tck700es-stereo-cassette-deck-p-1039.html _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 16:21:33 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:21:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ALEX Test Records SHURE Message-ID: <8F8E57395B0942B5BF4CFF24BF3C4A53@RaysLaptop> Hey Alex, A great Japanese company named JICO has been making replacement stylii for SHURE V15'sand other Shure cartridges. They now have a much better replacement than their standard one, called the SAS Stylus. This is a very close to Micro Ridge STylii that Shure was famous for. Many sHURE OWNERS OF ALL SERIES OF V15'S HAVE BOUGHT THESE SAS Stylii, and say they are actually sound better than original NOS Shure Replacement Stylii, for V15's. Take a look at the JICO Website, they are available also through LP Gear. They now make their own cartridge called an M1 SAS or something, only 30 have Been produced so far, by order only. But a couple guys have bought one, they are $260.00 and says the sound has beaten some of his High End cartridges...not surprising, as this SAS Stylus is really like looking at a Gemstone. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 16:52:30 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:52:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay/Stephen S. In-Reply-To: <201003131118.o2DB91aC025520@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003131118.o2DB91aC025520@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <95225.52933.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> The only thing certain about Stephen S these days is uncertainty. At one time, he was considered the premier Nak restorer and modifier. Eventually, owner's decks waited yrs and/or disappeared-or so went the rumors. There was also a rumor that he was deathly sick.....I won't say with what, because it was just that, an ugly rumor and demeaning in the context it was used. Recently, the rumor was that he resurfaced and isn't interested in Naks anymore; but again, a rumor. Nothing matters unless you establish communication with the man himself. Even then, there might me a question of whether he follows through with a repair or not; given his Net reputation. In almost every cassette forum I've been on, his name eventually comes up and he has become more ghost than real. However, it would certainly be more worthwhile/informative to see something said verifiable about Stephen these days.....better yet, from Stephen! Kevin Message: 8 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:07:37 +0200 From: "Walter Drewes" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Stephen does not do Naks anymore! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: jim phillips To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay BTW what does steve shank charge to over hall a working drangon? I paid only a grand almost new ( lightly used store demo )back in late 80'. I was good to have a freind working at Tweeter ect . back in the day.At 11:44 PM 3/10/2010, you wrote: Check this one out which just sold. Item number 230444918830 Just a brief description with two pictures that don't show the whole deck. No recent calibration, no new belts, or service of any kind mentioned in the ad. The Dragon I own is fully serviced by Steve Sank with the 33 orange capacitor replacement. Of course it's worth more! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajivdallas at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 18:25:03 2010 From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (Rajiv) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:25:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a CR-7A Message-ID: <1126853153-1268501192-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1209344042-@bda670.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> All, Am looking to buy a CR-7A and wondered if anyone on the list was considering selling one. I am looking for a CR-7A with known history and hence my post on this list.... If you are willing to sell, please send me details and asking price offline. Thanks Rajiv Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From blkmacster at cox.net Sat Mar 13 18:38:34 2010 From: blkmacster at cox.net (CB) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:38:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX In-Reply-To: <201003131110.o2DB91aB025520@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003131110.o2DB91aB025520@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000501cac2d4$01505e60$03f11b20$@net> Victor I own one which I purchased brand new. It's a wonderful deck and has a "warm" sonic signature. I also own a CR7A which I love and is like the proverbial Timex watch, it just keeps ticking right along. The 681ZX, has been a maintenance nightmare ever since I owned it. I had it serviced by WH last year and it's (knock on wood) been working like a dream ever since. You are welcomed to email me off list. M~ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 12 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Sony TC-KA7ES Owner's Manual! (shanti ramachandran) 2. 681ZX? (Victor Gabrenas) 3. RE: 681ZX? (tom brucker) 4. Re: Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay (jim phillips) 5. Re: 681ZX? (KEVIN ROGERS) 6. Re: 681ZX? (Willy Hermann) 7. RE: 681ZX? (Victor Gabrenas) 8. Re: Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay (Walter Drewes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA7ES Owner's Manual! To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <895293.99164.qm at web112710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi friends, I have now, thanks to our own William Hermann, a perfectly functioning, terrific sounding SONY TC-KA7ES in champagne. I am looking for an owner's manual for the same, so I can use the deck to its fullest. Please send me the attachment if you have or upload to ebaman. Regards, Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100312/7c1f62b6/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:11:17 -0700 From: "Victor Gabrenas" Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX? To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <000301cac217$caa2be60$5fe83b20$@utah.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone have any experience with a 681ZX? I might bid on one on E-bay. Look pretty beat up but may have potential. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:44:29 -0600 From: "tom brucker" Subject: RE: [naktalk] 681ZX? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Vic, I strongly recommend the 680 or the 682. Aligning a quasi-3 head deck is a royal pain! I am fairly certain there are mistakes in the service manual that make it a tough job. I have an extra 680 tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:11 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX? Does anyone have any experience with a 681ZX? I might bid on one on E-bay. Look pretty beat up but may have potential. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:41:17 -0500 From: jim phillips Subject: Re: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" BTW what does steve shank charge to over hall a working drangon? I paid only a grand almost new ( lightly used store demo )back in late 80'. I was good to have a freind working at Tweeter ect . back in the day.At 11:44 PM 3/10/2010, you wrote: >Check this one out which just sold. > >Item number 230444918830 > >Just a brief description with two pictures that don't show the whole deck. >No recent calibration, no new belts, or service of any kind >mentioned in the ad. > >The Dragon I own is fully serviced by Steve Sank with the 33 orange >capacitor replacement. Of course it's worth more! > > > > >---------- >Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >Sign up now. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Rj9guq0aGwQF3HFO_PEJbQAAJ1H 3aUvHyMG-lsE-Pmt641v4AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100312/a1f42481/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:35:50 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN ROGERS Subject: Re: [naktalk] 681ZX? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <137861.80546.qm at web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Victor: Basically the same as a 682ZX without the ability to monitor during recording. I have a parts deck. Kevin Rogers --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX? To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 7:11 PM Does anyone have any experience with a 681ZX? I might bid on one on E-bay. Look pretty beat up but may have potential. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100312/60f5e055/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:03:34 -0800 From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] 681ZX? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4b6f92901003121403g6b6e4a14qf28886b9d7fa2f9b at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The 681ZX is one of those odd decks with three heads but no monitoring. The same electronics and Dolby circuits are used for both recording and playback which saved some money. This one is even odder in that there are separate play electronics to allow the auto azimuth and level sets to work. Other than that it's the same as a 682ZX. It has all the normal tired transport diseases that any of those transports are prone to. If you can do all that work it shouldn't be a problem. I looked at this one and it doesn't look that beat up to me. Willy On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with a 681ZX? I might bid on one on E-bay. > Look pretty beat up but may have potential. > > Vic > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100312/f6e126e1/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:46:46 -0700 From: "Victor Gabrenas" Subject: RE: [naktalk] 681ZX? To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <001201cac235$e53cc220$afb64660$@utah.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just noticed the lack of monitoring. Makes the deck much less attractive. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:44 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 681ZX? Vic, I strongly recommend the 680 or the 682. Aligning a quasi-3 head deck is a royal pain! I am fairly certain there are mistakes in the service manual that make it a tough job. I have an extra 680 tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:11 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk]? Does anyone have any experience with a 681ZX? I might bid on one on E-bay. Look pretty beat up but may have potential. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:07:37 +0200 From: "Walter Drewes" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Stephen does not do Naks anymore! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: jim phillips To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay BTW what does steve shank charge to over hall a working drangon? I paid only a grand almost new ( lightly used store demo )back in late 80'. I was good to have a freind working at Tweeter ect . back in the day.At 11:44 PM 3/10/2010, you wrote: Check this one out which just sold. Item number 230444918830 Just a brief description with two pictures that don't show the whole deck. No recent calibration, no new belts, or service of any kind mentioned in the ad. The Dragon I own is fully serviced by Steve Sank with the 33 orange capacitor replacement. Of course it's worth more! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. 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URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 21:36:25 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:36:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank/Nakamichi Message-ID: <3EFBF4AB59A84214BCFDB9039C779BB0@RaysLaptop> Hello, I have seen signs that Stephen is doing business as we speak, just not with Naks any longer. I belong to a Tapers Forum, where there is regular discussion about microphones, setting them up, what kind of Mic's to use, etc...And several of the members have recently used Stephen Sank for their Microphones, either getting ones fixed, modified, or buying them as well, I think. But the activity they have had was very recent. And no problems appear, like not getting their gear back, or long wait times, etc...as we heard about the Naks in the recent past. The name is something different, of his company, because I didn't recognize it at first, till he was mentioned by name. No mentions of his health have been referred to either. So, I guess all is well, Just not into working on Naks any longer. But I have seen much of his Nak work, and it looks beautiful, as if he is a realperfectionist, as the reports of the owners also stated, the operation of the decks, sound, etc..was all amazing after his refurbing their Naks. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 21:42:18 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:42:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7A Sale Message-ID: Here is a Nakamichi CR7a for sale. I often see them listed here, for way less than Ebay craziness. Most people on Audiogon, as far as sellers, are pretty honest, and some also have an Ebay Selling Account, where they will tell you also, so you can see their Feedback Rating. I dont know about this Nak either, but thought Id pass the info along....Ray http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?misccass&1273422051&/Nakamichi-CR-7A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Sun Mar 14 05:57:37 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:57:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay In-Reply-To: <201003121149.o2CBdriU021081@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003121149.o2CBdriU021081@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <133612.43927.qm@web113716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Mark I wouldn't be so quick to call that auction silly. If I was buying a Dragon, that one would have attracted me. The pictures show a cosmetically good Dragon, and the description says (yes I know, they're not always accurate) that everything works. It puts shudders up my spine when a Dragon description says " recently serviced", or "belts replaced" or "new caps" - because typically, this work will be done really badly, and often will have damaged the deck more than it has improved it. For me, the most attractive description of a deck is..."cosmetically perfect, hasn't had any work done on it since it left the factory". Just my 2 cents worth. Regards John Gipps Message: 2 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:44:47 -0700 From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Check this one out which just sold. Item number 230444918830 Just a brief description with two pictures that don't show the whole deck. No recent calibration, no new belts, or service of any kind mentioned in the ad. The Dragon I own is fully serviced by Steve Sank with the 33 orange capacitor replacement. Of course it's worth more! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Mar 14 14:55:34 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 06:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay In-Reply-To: <133612.43927.qm@web113716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <783396.45773.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I second John's comments. From my past experience, almost any deck purchased from ebay needs some kind of work to bring it back to normal operational condition unless the seller(s) can provide detailed informations on what have been serviced in the past and by who (Service Personnals/Engineers like Jeff Gatlin, Kannan S., Willy Hermann, Steve Sank and so on). Otherwise a deck with perfect cosmetic condiiton with no missing parts (as cosmetic parts are extremely difficult to be replaced unless one has multiple part decks for spare) and has never been touched is preferred as this will be up to myself to make sure it works. This is just my opinion and does not rellects what others would think as there is not a right or wrong in this case.   Just my 2c Mike --- On Sat, 3/13/10, John Gipps wrote: From: John Gipps Subject: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay To: mark8559 at hotmail.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 10:57 PM Hi Mark I wouldn't be so quick to call that auction silly. If I was buying a Dragon, that one would have attracted me. The pictures show a cosmetically good Dragon, and the description says (yes I know, they're not always accurate) that everything works. It puts shudders up my spine when a Dragon description says " recently serviced", or "belts replaced" or "new caps" - because typically, this work will be done really badly, and often will have damaged the deck more than it has improved it. For me, the most attractive description of a deck is..."cosmetically perfect, hasn't had any work done on it since it left the factory". Just my 2 cents worth. Regards John Gipps Message: 2 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:44:47 -0700 From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Sells for $1300 on Ebay To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Check this one out which just sold. Item number 230444918830 Just a brief description with two pictures that don't show the whole deck. No recent calibration, no new belts, or service of any kind mentioned in the ad. The Dragon I own is fully serviced by Steve Sank with the 33 orange capacitor replacement. Of course it's worth more!     -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 15:28:12 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:28:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Silly Dragon Message-ID: <41E5DC4CB1C745B9BAF9DF1FACADB77A@RaysLaptop> The price is what is silly....who knows what is wrong with it. Of course we all want a deck that was not messed with, unless it wasserviced by the names previously mentioned. But I can see the price be looked at as silly. It needs much work to be a real dragon, so you wanna get it as low as you can, in order to afford the necessary work. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 16:40:59 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank/Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <201003141118.o2EB8fC9002952@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003141118.o2EB8fC9002952@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <938929.2764.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> This coincides with the last thing I heard about Stephen; that he is repairing/selling microphones with a newer company name. It's good to see the 'ghost' become flesh & blood again. Regretfully, his passion these days is away from Naks. I wish him the best in whatever he does. Kevin ________________________________ Hello, I have seen signs that Stephen is doing business as we speak, just not with Naks any longer. I belong to a Tapers Forum, where there is regular discussion about microphones, setting them up, what kind of Mic's to use, etc...And several of the members have recently used Stephen Sank for their Microphones, either getting ones fixed, modified, or buying them as well, I think. But the activity they have had was very recent. And no problems appear, like not getting their gear back, or long wait times, etc...as we heard about the Naks in the recent past. The name is something different, of his company, because I didn't recognize it at first, till he was mentioned by name. No mentions of his health have been referred to either. So, I guess all is well, Just not into working on Naks any longer. But I have seen much of his Nak work, and it looks beautiful, as if he is a realperfectionist, as the reports of the owners also stated, the operation of the decks, sound, etc..w! as all amazing after his refurbing their Naks. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sun Mar 14 16:49:06 2010 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per Borgen) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:49:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX with Output Level, Record Level Issues In-Reply-To: <872180.98111.qm@web113719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <201003081128.o28BJ8wC001872@zxe.naks.com> <872180.98111.qm@web113719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6839b2c1003140849o7167526g3321ef39944ffbc8@mail.gmail.com> John Gipps wrote: "...While CRC 2-26 is easily available here in Australia, I guess my recommendation is not a lot of use to you if you can't find it in your local area..." Thanks for the tip, John. I found these links. CRC 2-26 should be available in many countries. Select country and lanquage at top (CRC = Servisol) Contact / distribution http://www.crcind.com./csp/web/contact.csp?lng=3&country=ALL Products (2-26 in several forms at the top) http://www.crcind.com./csp/web/DSOverview.csp?lng=3&country=ALL Best Regards, Per From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 20:46:25 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank/Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <938929.2764.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <834259.81911.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The company's name is,"Talking Dog Transducer Inc." Ram --- On Sun, 3/14/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank/Nakamichi To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 11:40 AM This coincides with the last thing I heard about Stephen; that he is repairing/selling microphones with a newer company name. It's good to see the 'ghost' become flesh & blood again. Regretfully, his passion these days is away from Naks. I wish him the best in whatever he does. Kevin  Hello,           I have seen signs that Stephen is doing business as we speak, just not with Naks any longer.  I belong to a Tapers Forum, where there is regular discussion about microphones, setting them up, what kind of Mic's to use, etc...And several of the members have recently used Stephen Sank for their Microphones, either getting ones fixed, modified, or buying them as well, I think. But the activity they have had was very recent. And no problems appear, like not getting their gear back, or long wait times, etc...as we heard about the Naks in the recent past.  The name is something different, of his company, because I didn't recognize it at first, till he was mentioned by name. No mentions of his health have been referred to either. So, I guess all is well, Just not into working on Naks any longer.  But I have seen much of his Nak work, and it looks beautiful, as if he is a realperfectionist, as the reports of the owners also stated, the operation of the decks, sound, etc..w! as all amazing after his refurbing their Naks.  Ray -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Mar 14 17:33:09 2010 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:33:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank/Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <938929.2764.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <201003141118.o2EB8fC9002952@zxe.naks.com> <938929.2764.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b11003140933q59e583d1u3e9db341f378f051@mail.gmail.com> This is the company he seems to be nvolved with now - http://www.cloudmicrophones.com. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > This coincides with the last thing I heard about Stephen; that he is > repairing/selling microphones with a newer company name. It's good to see > the 'ghost' become flesh & blood again. Regretfully, his passion these days > is away from Naks. I wish him the best in whatever he does. > > Kevin > ------------------------------ > **Hello, > I have seen signs that Stephen is doing business as we speak, > just not with Naks any longer. I belong to a Tapers Forum, where there is > regular discussion about microphones, setting them up, what kind of Mic's to > use, etc...And several of the members have recently used Stephen Sank for > their Microphones, either getting ones fixed, modified, or buying them as > well, I think. But the activity they have had was very recent. And no > problems appear, like not getting their gear back, or long wait times, > etc...as we heard about the Naks in the recent past. The name is something > different, of his company, because I didn't recognize it at first, till he > was mentioned by name. No mentions of his health have been referred to > either. So, I guess all is well, Just not into working on Naks any longer. > But I have seen much of his Nak work, and it looks beautiful, as if he is a > realperfectionist, as the reports of the owners also stated, the operation > of the decks, sound, etc..w! > as all amazing after his refurbing their Naks. Ray > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at windstream.net Mon Mar 15 04:57:56 2010 From: gjgkerrtx at windstream.net (jerry) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:57:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Worthless Nak Decks Message-ID: I was wondering why very good decks like the BX-150 that have zero resale value on Ebay, and others are way overpriced? You'd think some one might have an appreciation for a solid performer like the BX-150, especially since it wasnt exactly a real cheap deck when new, and does sound very very good. I don't know..maybe someday , but as for right now, it doesn't seem like you can give one away. Seems like a waste of a perfectly good deck. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Mar 15 05:06:25 2010 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:06:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ALEX Test Records SHURE In-Reply-To: <8F8E57395B0942B5BF4CFF24BF3C4A53@RaysLaptop> References: <8F8E57395B0942B5BF4CFF24BF3C4A53@RaysLaptop> Message-ID: Dear Ray, I own from my passed away Daddy collection two V-15/lll bodies one earlier with with letter & another one more recently with yellow letters...+ a Dual CS-721 turntable (From US market...& changed from 110AC to 220AC), which also was originally fitted with "Dual's Ordered V-15 Type lll cartridge"...& 3 Originally Shure MR for the Type lll cartridge...only ONE is fitted in the Dual CS-721 cartridge body...the other 2 are factory sealed ones!. For so...as I'm now 67 year old...till will ended my live...has enough Shure cartridges + replacement needles!. The LP records I collected past from my Daddy (Type 2 + 3 Ones)...and type 4 & 5 test records got directly from Shure factory...decades ago!. Cheers, Alex! ALEX! From: rayr0683 at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:21:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ALEX Test Records SHURE Hey Alex, A great Japanese company named JICO has been making replacement stylii for SHURE V15'sand other Shure cartridges. They now have a much better replacement than their standard one, called the SAS Stylus. This is a very close to Micro Ridge STylii that Shure was famous for. Many sHURE OWNERS OF ALL SERIES OF V15'S HAVE BOUGHT THESE SAS Stylii, and say they are actually sound better than original NOS Shure Replacement Stylii, for V15's. Take a look at the JICO Website, they are available also through LP Gear. They now make their own cartridge called an M1 SAS or something, only 30 have Been produced so far, by order only. But a couple guys have bought one, they are $260.00 and says the sound has beaten some of his High End cartridges...not surprising, as this SAS Stylus is really like looking at a Gemstone. Ray _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 20:25:15 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:25:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank/Nak Message-ID: Yes, Stephen is apparently doing well, in the flesh...so to speak. Plenty of positive comments regarding his microphones, and repairing and modifications of them. Maybe one day he will decide to do Nkas again, we need all the Nak experts we can get, to keep what we have going and working perfectly for the years to come, and the more qualified tech's the better. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Mon Mar 15 11:59:18 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:59:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ALEX Test Records SHURE In-Reply-To: References: <8F8E57395B0942B5BF4CFF24BF3C4A53@RaysLaptop> Message-ID: <0KZB009QVL6T9ZN1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Well hello Alex! Sorry to hear of your father's passing. At 12:06 AM 3/15/2010, you wrote: >Dear Ray, > >I own from my passed away Daddy collection two V-15/lll bodies one >earlier with with letter & another one more recently with yellow >letters...+ a Dual CS-721 turntable (From US market...& changed from >110AC to 220AC), which also was originally fitted with "Dual's >Ordered V-15 Type lll cartridge"...& 3 Originally Shure MR for the >Type lll cartridge...only ONE is fitted in the Dual CS-721 cartridge >body...the other 2 are factory sealed ones!. > >For so...as I'm now 67 year old...till will ended my live...has >enough Shure cartridges + replacement needles!. > >The LP records I collected past from my Daddy (Type 2 + 3 >Ones)...and type 4 & 5 test records got directly from Shure >factory...decades ago!. > >Cheers, > >Alex! > >ALEX! > > > > >---------- >From: rayr0683 at comcast.net >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:21:33 -0500 >Subject: [naktalk] ALEX Test Records SHURE > >Hey Alex, > A great Japanese company named JICO has been making > replacement stylii for SHURE V15'sand other Shure cartridges. They > now have a much better replacement than their standard one, called > the SAS Stylus. This is a very close to Micro Ridge STylii that > Shure was famous for. Many sHURE OWNERS OF ALL SERIES OF V15'S > HAVE BOUGHT THESE SAS Stylii, and say they are actually sound > better than original NOS Shure Replacement Stylii, for V15's. > Take a look at the JICO Website, they are available also through > LP Gear. They now make their own cartridge called an M1 SAS or > something, only 30 have Been produced so far, by order only. But a > couple guys have bought one, they are $260.00 and says the sound > has beaten some of his High End cartridges...not surprising, as > this SAS Stylus is really like looking at a Gemstone. Ray > > >---------- >Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. >Sign up now. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Mon Mar 15 16:08:58 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:08:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ALEX/Shure Message-ID: Hi Alex, What great memories to have from your dad. If anything should happen to go wrong, like suspension failure or anything, with the sealed stylii, the JICO SAS are incredible replacements. so, its just a passing on of some goos news, to keep those bodies you have working into the future, in the case of a stylii problem. Plus it may benefit others here who own Shure Cartridges, especially V15 series, as well as the Ultra 400 and 500 Cartridges. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Mon Mar 15 16:41:43 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:41:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Steven Sank Message-ID: <7C22798B57E64DCBB9E0FF044FB67121@RaysLaptop> Hello All, As I read on the website of Either Talking Dog, or the Cloud one.....the father of Steve Sank, whose name was Jon Sank, and was famous in the Microphone Industry, had taught his son, Steven Sank all that he knew about Microphones, and Im sure other things. Well anyway, he became ill, and passed away in 1998. Today Steve Sank, and his wife Cynthia are supposedly carrying on the tradition of his late father Jon Sank. So, Steve Sank is married and doing well. Its possible that the posts about him being very ill, etc....could have been about his father, who passed in 1998. You know how things get changed when they are misinterpretted. Like Whisper Down the Lane......This is just an observation on my part, based on what I read on the website. It says that he and his wife are overseeing everything, and he personally inspects every microphone serviced or made. I dont know about the Nakamichi stuff. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ianstaub at gmail.com Tue Mar 16 00:16:58 2010 From: ianstaub at gmail.com (Ian Staub) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:16:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500 user manual? Message-ID: <6f8971481003151616k522e2b1ch6d127d71fff3a2db@mail.gmail.com> Hello, First post here - I'm sorry if this has been addressed previously, but since there's no way to search the archives, I'll give it a go. I just purchased a 500 cassette deck and was hoping to get a pdf copy of the users manual. Does anyone have one they'd be willing to email to me? Thanks in advance, ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Mon Mar 15 23:57:41 2010 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:57:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Message-ID: <4B9EBB65.2080504@windstream.net> I am the original owner of a Nakamichi Dragon that I purchased in August of 1986, mechanically it is near perfect, well it is for me. I dont have all the test tapes and other equipment that some of you have, but to my ear it still sounds superb. The only thing that it needs is the belt that lifts the head mechanism, it was stretched and would not function so I used a temp fix (read rubber band) and now its just like new. Belt is on order. I used a spring hook to get the old belt off so that I did not have to dis-assemble the Dragon further than taking the cover off. I know auto azimuth still works can see it adjusting and then plays happily along. The only flaw appearance wise is little paint flecks chipped off due to moving on the top edge of the face plate. I am thinking about putting the beast up on E-bay but would rather give first chance to someone from this list. Fran Giddings fgiddi at windstream.net From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 16 04:23:03 2010 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:23:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ALEX Test Records SHURE In-Reply-To: <0KZB009QVL6T9ZN1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> References: <8F8E57395B0942B5BF4CFF24BF3C4A53@RaysLaptop>, , <0KZB009QVL6T9ZN1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: My dear Ray, Thanks so much...yes I'm missing him very much...occurs in 1991!. Cheers, Alex! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 11:46:53 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Worthless Nak Decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <100105.23655.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I think it depends on the condition of the deck. The cost to repair a bad BX-150 can easily exceed its value after the repair. -- Ron ________________________________ From: jerry To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 11:57:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Worthless Nak Decks I was wondering why very good decks like the BX-150 that have zero resale value on Ebay, and others are way overpriced? You'd think some one might have an appreciation for a solid performer like the BX-150, especially since it wasnt exactly a real cheap deck when new, and does sound very very good. I don't know..maybe someday , but as for right now, it doesn't seem like you can give one away. 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URL: From gstrahle at chariot.net.au Tue Mar 16 11:30:53 2010 From: gstrahle at chariot.net.au (Graham Strahle) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:00:53 +1030 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning a Nak Faceplate/Outputs-Cables In-Reply-To: <687974.8371.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <687974.8371.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For cleaning the fascia, buttons etc of my 680zx, I use 303 Aerospace, a protectant used for interior plastics in car care. Gently applied with cotton swabs, it lifts grim and gets plastic parts (of which there are quite a few on the 680's front) looking like new. i lifted a surprising amount of grime this way. Applying too much attracts dust. Graham On 12/03/2010, at 5:37 AM, eric holtz wrote: > Hello everyone, > What would be the best approach to clean the face of my MR-1? I just > took her out of my rack and thought I would give her a really good > cleaning. Also, which would be the most suitable outputs to use in > going to my mixing console: XLR or 1/4"? The mixer has XLR, 1/4", > and RCA inputs and operates at the -10dB level. I would like to take > advantage of a balanced line connection. I have used the +4dB XLR > outputs into a power amp with good results. > Cleaning and cables--Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you, > Eric > LONG LIVE ANALOG! > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ericeholtz at yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 12:38:17 2010 From: ericeholtz at yahoo.com (eric holtz) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cleaning a Nak Faceplate/Outputs-Cables Message-ID: <721119.35477.qm@web63908.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I am resending this to make sure it gets through. --- On Thu, 3/11/10, eric holtz wrote: From: eric holtz Subject: Cleaning a Nak Faceplate/Outputs-Cables To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: ericeholtz at yahoo.com Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 1:07 PM Hello everyone, What would be the best approach to clean the face of my MR-1? I just took her out of my rack and thought I would give her a really good cleaning. Also, which would be the most suitable outputs to use in going to my mixing console: XLR or 1/4"? The mixer has XLR, 1/4", and RCA inputs and operates at the -10dB level. I would like to take advantage of a balanced line connection. I have used the +4dB XLR outputs into a power amp with good results. 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I have recently been in contact with him for the return of my  Nak decks which he had for some 5 years already.He requested me to get someone in the USA (He even suggested to me maybe  a 'friend "on Naktalk) to pick them up for shipping as he "had great difficulty to take them for international shipping"--(his words) I dont think all that is a cleverly spun yarn and I do believe that he has had to live with the negatives from the accident.While he definitely is fixing/refurbishing mirophones ,that is a far cry from repairing Naks!          I wish him success and hope he will be left in peace! walter drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 16:44:43 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cleaning a Nak Faceplate/Outputs-Cables In-Reply-To: <721119.35477.qm@web63908.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <553079.17315.qm@web80604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Eric ; for cleaning up my equipment I use Pledge furniture polish  Natural Beauty shine, restore, refresh  in the lemon scent. Spray a little on a nice soft towel ( not over any vinyl flooring that you're planning on walking on ) . wipe the face and cabinet with it and then dry and buff off with a dry part of the towel. It makes it look like new again ! Oh and it smells nice too.      Thomas --- On Tue, 3/16/10, eric holtz wrote: From: eric holtz Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cleaning a Nak Faceplate/Outputs-Cables To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 7:38 AM I am resending this to make sure it gets through. --- On Thu, 3/11/10, eric holtz wrote: From: eric holtz Subject: Cleaning a Nak Faceplate/Outputs-Cables To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: ericeholtz at yahoo.com Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 1:07 PM Hello everyone, What would be the best approach to clean the face of my MR-1? I just took her out of my rack and thought I would give her a really good cleaning. Also, which would be the most suitable outputs to use in going to my mixing console: XLR or 1/4"? The mixer has XLR, 1/4", and RCA inputs and operates at the -10dB level. I would like to take advantage of a balanced line connection. I have used the +4dB XLR outputs into a power amp with good results. Cleaning and cables--Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Eric LONG LIVE ANALOG! -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at windstream.net Tue Mar 16 18:44:13 2010 From: gjgkerrtx at windstream.net (jerry) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:44:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT-- NAKAMICHI SOUNDSPACE 8 Message-ID: Some of you may recall I posted awhile back looking for the propritary 8 pin Nak Din cable for my Nak Soundspace 8 unit. Well, I finally found a cable to make my soundspace 8 work, and the cd player sounds lovely. Actually, some schmuck was selling regular cheap 4 dollar mini 8 pin din cables as proprietary Nak cables on the Bay, and before I realised it , it was too late.. its not a correct fit so i butchered the cable and one of the input jacks a little and its working swell. Anyway, I do not have a remote for it- the soundspace 8 cd unit ( i think there is also one for the sub unit on this system). Anyone have one they don't need, or know where I can get one cheap, or know a cheap one that will work for the Soundspace 8 CD unit? Right now I am just using the CD inot my listening station, and have the Sub (that also powers the unit) level off. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From patty at jbrudy.com Tue Mar 16 22:24:04 2010 From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:24:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT-- NAKAMICHI SOUNDSPACE 8 References: Message-ID: <065901cac54f$015e5c90$9401a8c0@User4> JERRY, I BELIEVE I KNOW WHERE TO GET ONE, I WILL CHECK AND GET BACK TO YOU LATER, PATTY ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:44 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT-- NAKAMICHI SOUNDSPACE 8 > Some of you may recall I posted awhile back looking for the propritary 8 > pin Nak Din cable for my Nak Soundspace 8 unit. Well, I finally found a > cable to make my soundspace 8 work, and the cd player sounds lovely. > Actually, some schmuck was selling regular cheap 4 dollar mini 8 pin din > cables as proprietary Nak cables on the Bay, and before I realised it , it > was too late.. its not a correct fit so i butchered the cable and one of > the input jacks a little and its working swell. > Anyway, I do not have a remote for it- the soundspace 8 cd unit ( i think > there is also one for the sub unit on this system). Anyone have one they > don't need, or know where I can get one cheap, or know a cheap one that > will work for the Soundspace 8 CD unit? > Right now I am just using the CD inot my listening station, and have the > Sub (that also powers the unit) level off. > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From blkmacster at cox.net Wed Mar 17 10:18:05 2010 From: blkmacster at cox.net (CB) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:18:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Worthless Nak Decks In-Reply-To: <201003161159.o2GBviTk008640@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003161159.o2GBviTk008640@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000e01cac5b2$c02a2b00$407e8100$@net> Re" The BX150" I feel the pain. I have a BX-150, which I've owned since it was new, is in perfect condition, has all the mods and yet is worth just about nothing. It's a great little deck but only gets used once every two weeks when I do the mandatory "turn and run" for all of my decks. It's too good to "give" away and yet, it won't fetch $200.00, what a bummer. M~ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 17 10:30:52 2010 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:30:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ALEX/Shure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Ray, Thanks for this cute information...I'll kept this mail in case!. Cheers, Alex! From: rayr0683 at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:08:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ALEX/Shure Hi Alex, What great memories to have from your dad. If anything should happen to go wrong, like suspension failure or anything, with the sealed stylii, the JICO SAS are incredible replacements. so, its just a passing on of some goos news, to keep those bodies you have working into the future, in the case of a stylii problem. Plus it may benefit others here who own Shure Cartridges, especially V15 series, as well as the Ultra 400 and 500 Cartridges. Ray _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 15:03:24 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cleaning a Nak Faceplate/Outputs In-Reply-To: <201003171117.o2HB88ps012842@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003171117.o2HB88ps012842@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <604975.51972.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Eric, It would seem everybody has their own home brew. First of all, if you don't know what a micro-fiber cleaning cloth is, GET ONE! They are remarkable and will not scratch even the most delicate surface (I also use then for cleaning CD surfaces) . Then, I use a product on plastic fascia panels called Monster Screenclean. It's not cheap, but it doesn't drip, streak or stain and leaves no film or residue. Removes dust, dirt,fingerprints and grime. Five star rating-this product.....with the micro-fiber cleaning cloths. Kevin ________________________________ On 12/03/2010, at 5:37 AM, eric holtz wrote: > Hello everyone, > What would be the best approach to clean the face of my MR-1? I just > took her out of my rack and thought I would give her a really good > cleaning. Also, which would be the most suitable outputs to use in > going to my mixing console: XLR or 1/4"? The mixer has XLR, 1/4", > and RCA inputs and operates at the -10dB level. I would like to take > advantage of a balanced line connection. I have used the +4dB XLR > outputs into a power amp with good results. > Cleaning and cables--Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you, > Eric > LONG LIVE ANALOG! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 17 16:45:37 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:45:37 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: Cleaning a Nak Faceplate/Outputs In-Reply-To: <604975.51972.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <201003171117.o2HB88ps012842@zxe.naks.com>, <604975.51972.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I received some really dirty equipment through the years. Using a little Dawn dish washing soap and a 50/50 mixture of Simple Green and distilled water, does the cleaning. The final cleaning is a 50/50 mixture of Windex and distilled water (I also use this to clean LP's - you can hear the difference). After that, DeOxite Gold with pip cleaners to clean the inside of RCA jacks. DeOxite Gold with regular cotton swabs to clean the outside of RCA jacks. To this day, I never had a problem! On 12/03/2010, at 5:37 AM, eric holtz wrote: > Hello everyone, > What would be the best approach to clean the face of my MR-1? I just > took her out of my rack and thought I would give her a really good > cleaning. Also, which would be the most suitable outputs to use in > going to my mixing console: XLR or 1/4"? The mixer has XLR, 1/4", > and RCA inputs and operates at the -10dB level. I would like to take > advantage of a balanced line connection. I have used the +4dB XLR > outputs into a power amp with good results. > Cleaning and cables--Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you, > Eric > LONG LIVE ANALOG! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 16:58:35 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cleaning a Nak Faceplate/Outputs In-Reply-To: <604975.51972.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <597843.11349.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Or as Jeff Galin of ESL once told me," Use windex on a soft cloth". Simple and it really works. Try it. You'll like it! Ram --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cleaning a Nak Faceplate/Outputs To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:03 AM Eric, It would seem everybody has their own home brew. First of all, if you don't know what a micro-fiber cleaning cloth is, GET ONE! They are remarkable and will not scratch even the most delicate surface (I also use then for cleaning CD surfaces) . Then, I use a product on plastic fascia panels called Monster Screenclean. It's not cheap, but it doesn't drip, streak or stain and leaves no film or residue. Removes dust, dirt,fingerprints and grime. Five star rating-this product.....with the micro-fiber cleaning cloths. Kevin On 12/03/2010, at 5:37 AM, eric holtz wrote: > Hello everyone, > What would be the best approach to clean the face of my MR-1? I just  > took her out of my rack and thought I would give her a really good  > cleaning. Also, which would be the most suitable outputs to use in  > going to my mixing console: XLR or 1/4"? The mixer has XLR, 1/4",  > and RCA inputs and operates at the -10dB level. I would like to take  > advantage of a balanced line connection. I have used the +4dB XLR  > outputs into a power amp with good results. > Cleaning and cables--Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you, > Eric > LONG LIVE ANALOG! -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Thu Mar 18 00:35:16 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:35:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning Faceplates Message-ID: Hello Ram, You are right, keep it as simple as possible. I worked for a Huge company, as a Bench Tech for years, throughout the 1990's repairing Auto Radios. We were 3rd Largest in the USA, and worked on every kind of Auto Radio/Unit you ever saw. Had contract for Ford, Chrysler, Delco, Mitsubishi, Volvo....and the Import Dept...so, yes, Nakamichi TD series of Decks, and they were beauties, along with Alpine and Soundstream. But being a company like this, they ordered all specialty products for cleaning faceplates, and plastics, etc... They had to buy some of the products in Drums, like 55 Gallon. Others were 5 Gallon, but products I have never seen sold to the public anywhere on the Internet. And as Kevin said, Micro Fiber cloth is about the best, along with nice soft cotton. But at the end of the day, honestly, Windex looks as good as any of these super expensive, hard to get. specialty products. Iwish I remembered the names of the main ones we used for faceplates, supposedly they cleaned, removed all kind of prints, and then left a protective coating/anti-static surface, to repel dust, and make the fascia look just like when new. But again, I brought bottles of this stuff home, just to have here, and Windex is just as good. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Thu Mar 18 01:22:37 2010 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:22:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ALEX/Shure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, I wouldn't be so quick to recommend the jico needle to people. I bought the jico needle to upgrade my Shure m95ej and it mistracks too often and Ive tried it on three different 'tables with the same results. and before anybody comments yes I have the cartridge installed correct and the tracking force is right and the turntable is level and there arent any problems with resonance or footstep causing mistracking or any of the other setup mistakes you read about. this needle really really is overpriced for the quality and the problems. and I'm not the only one who has been having tracking problems with jico needles. check out this youtube video of one jico needle -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKOYenX-sYw On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Ray Riendeau wrote: > Hi Alex, > What great memories to have from your dad. If anything > should happen to go wrong, like suspension failure or anything, with the > sealed stylii, the JICO SAS are incredible replacements. so, its just a > passing on of some goos news, to keep those bodies you have working into the > future, in the case of a stylii problem. Plus it may benefit others here who > own Shure Cartridges, especially V15 series, as well as the Ultra 400 and > 500 Cartridges. Ray > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Mar 18 10:06:40 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:06:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning Faceplates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have used Windex for over thirty years to clean frontpanels and dial glass. I get the un-watered-down variety from Costco. I use the blue-colored Scott shop towels, now available through many vendors, but once only available (in San Diego) at Costco. The blue towels leave little or no lint, are not electrostatically "active," and are softer than most dial "glass" plastics. I always squirt the Windex on the shop towel. Customers often squirt the Windex on the frontpanel. Big mistake. Capillary action sucks it into nooks and crannies. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Ray Riendeau wrote: > Hello Ram, > You are right, keep it as simple as possible. I > worked for a Huge company, as a Bench Tech for years, throughout the 1990's > repairing Auto Radios. We were 3rd Largest in the USA, and worked on every > kind of Auto Radio/Unit you ever saw. Had contract for Ford, Chrysler, > Delco, Mitsubishi, Volvo....and the Import Dept...so, yes, Nakamichi TD > series of Decks, and they were beauties, along with Alpine and > Soundstream. But being a company like this, they ordered all specialty > products for cleaning faceplates, and plastics, etc... They had to buy some > of the products in Drums, like 55 Gallon. Others were 5 Gallon, but > products I have never seen sold to the public anywhere on the Internet. And > as Kevin said, Micro Fiber cloth is about the best, along with nice soft > cotton. But at the end of the day, honestly, Windex looks as good as any of > these super expensive, hard to get. specialty products. 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Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > Here's an interesting one! > http://cgi.ebay.com/Thorn-DCR-1-cassette-deck-Dolby-Line-Mic-Nakamichi_W0QQitemZ260570968125QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Cassette_Decks?hash=item3cab3d703d#ht_501wt_1165 > > Maybe not news to our Australian members but I never knew there was a > rebranded 500. > > Willy > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Thu Mar 18 11:28:59 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:28:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] JICO Message-ID: <48C24C31276C4D5BABA7567DD5BCBA4A@RaysLaptop> Hello Jerry, Its the JICO SAS version that is the excellent one. You could be having any number of problems with your setup. Take a walk over to the Vinyl Engine where fellow Turntable Audiophiles like myself, cant get enough of these. I have not heard of a bad sample as of yet either. But it must be the SAS stylus, which costs considerably more, and are custom made to order. In fact, the results with the V15's are remarkable, better than the original Shure. I have a SAS for my V15V MR-LE. I would be inclined to say your overlooking something, or, you didnt pay for the SAS stylus. I would not retract my statement, because your having a problem, way too many positives out there. It could be your sample, again, SAS is the one I recommend. And most are using the Top Shure cartridges, the V15's, or Ultra's. I hope you sort it out. Good Luck. Try the Vinyl Engine, they may be able to help you out with your setup. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Thu Mar 18 11:40:56 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:40:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Windex Message-ID: Hi Fred, Your right, often times I overlook the obvious. I didn't mention about spraying the towel first, then cleaning the faceplate. But some people actually do spray the faceplate, and your right, it heads on into all the places it shouldn't be. Have to spray the towel/cloth then polish. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Thu Mar 18 12:09:45 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:09:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Youtube Video of Stylus Message-ID: Hello Jerry, Did you see all the posts asking if he tried this with another Tonearm. I would question setup, etc.. Reason is, not many people, if any, have heard of a problem with the SAS stylus. To me, it looks like that Arm is too heavy, or his tracking force is not proper, it looks like the cartridge is almost riding on the record surface. Would appear a mismatch to me. These diamonds look like fine jewels, and have had nothing but praise, just do a Google Search. Plus, they will make good for any problem you may have, or if yyou buy it via LP Gear, they will make good for a swap/return. But for the most part, its the V15 series that people are loving them with. Not so much the cheaper average Shure's. Although talk has been positive with those as well. This definately looks more like a setup issue to me. When you get older, even myself, these special fine tips, are way more critical to proper setup. If not setup right, they sound like crap, but setup right they are amazing, no matter who makes them. This is the closest thing to a true Shure Micro Ridge, the one for the Shure V15 VMR.....available. And responses have been overwhelmingly the opposite of the example of a non V15 that you are referring to. Good Luck, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Mar 18 18:53:02 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:53:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] JICO In-Reply-To: <48C24C31276C4D5BABA7567DD5BCBA4A@RaysLaptop> References: <48C24C31276C4D5BABA7567DD5BCBA4A@RaysLaptop> Message-ID: <001801cac6c3$dafe4620$90fad260$@utah.edu> The record is warped. Someone should run it thru a flattener or clamp it down. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ray Riendeau Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 4:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] JICO Hello Jerry, Its the JICO SAS version that is the excellent one. You could be having any number of problems with your setup. Take a walk over to the Vinyl Engine where fellow Turntable Audiophiles like myself, cant get enough of these. I have not heard of a bad sample as of yet either. But it must be the SAS stylus, which costs considerably more, and are custom made to order. In fact, the results with the V15's are remarkable, better than the original Shure. I have a SAS for my V15V MR-LE. I would be inclined to say your overlooking something, or, you didnt pay for the SAS stylus. I would not retract my statement, because your having a problem, way too many positives out there. It could be your sample, again, SAS is the one I recommend. And most are using the Top Shure cartridges, the V15's, or Ultra's. I hope you sort it out. Good Luck. Try the Vinyl Engine, they may be able to help you out with your setup. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Mar 18 19:57:26 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:57:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Message-ID: <4b6f92901003181157t9927b87ye67f5f5e859bc0d7@mail.gmail.com> I am in need of the service manual for an MR-1. I have the ability to scan it to add it to the archives if anyone wants to loan it out. Thanks Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 06:47:10 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 A Service By Soundsmith ! Matter laid to rest! Message-ID: <270714.28466.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi friends, As most of you remember, I had mentioned about my Tandberg TCD 3014 A being given for  service ( full overhaul) to The Soundsmith of Peekskill, NY four months ago. I was also concerned that some one in this forum had mentioned to be aware of them! I had the opportunity of picking up the completed deck this afternoon, and hooking it up side by side with the other dominant Naks in the stable, notably the limited ZXL. I am proud and very  pleased and elated to report that the Tandberg beat every one of my decks in recording and listening( to Nak recorded tapes!) except for the 1000ZXL LTD after the Soundsmith's overhaul. In fact, I like some tracks on the Tandberg even slightly better(sweeter) sounding than the Limited!......Yes, no CR7,Dragon,700ZXE etc... could beat this Tandberg in play or record functions. The ZXLs do have an edge over (albeit very slightly) the Tandberg after ABLE in recording. I can comfortably report to the forum that my experience with Peter Lederman of Soundsmith was very pleasant and their quality of service is impeccable. Yes they are expensive and do take a long time but the after result is well worth it. Everything they did to the deck was neatly itemized and I have no complaints with them whatsoever. Its warranted for a full year too! So we have ESL, Willy and now Soundsmith for service one can rely on for our beloved decks.  Believe me folks, I am a very demanding customer and I have been around with what over 15-20 decks and these three are the best there could be for our decks. Thanks folks and please keep up the honest good work. Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frwhl at yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 15:04:47 2010 From: frwhl at yahoo.com (eric benson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps Problems Message-ID: <974847.64373.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> What specific Nak decks have the orange cap problems? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 15:07:32 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Tandberg 3014 A Service By Soundsmith ! Matter laid to rest! In-Reply-To: <201003191117.o2JB88ox021410@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003191117.o2JB88ox021410@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <134494.44860.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'm glad it worked out for you, Ram. However, due to the reasons I gave in an earlier post, they will never touch any of my Tandberg R2R's. There is no way I'm going to put them on a 'list' with Willy H. and ESL et al for Nak/Tandberg repair, based on ONE experience. I'm delighted you had a good experience though-happy listening! Kevin Message: 8 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 A Service By Soundsmith ! Matter laid to rest! To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <270714.28466.qm at web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi friends, As most of you remember, I had mentioned about my Tandberg TCD 3014 A being given for service ( full overhaul) to The Soundsmith of Peekskill, NY four months ago. I was also concerned that some one in this forum had mentioned to be aware of them! I had the opportunity of picking up the completed deck this afternoon, and hooking it up side by side with the other dominant Naks in the stable, notably the limited ZXL. I am proud and very pleased and elated to report that the Tandberg beat every one of my decks in recording and listening( to Nak recorded tapes!) except for the 1000ZXL LTD after the Soundsmith's overhaul. In fact, I like some tracks on the Tandberg even slightly better(sweeter) sounding than the Limited!......Yes, no CR7,Dragon,700ZXE etc... could beat this Tandberg in play or record functions. The ZXLs do have an edge over (albeit very slightly) the Tandberg after ABLE in recording. I can comfortably report to the forum that my experience with Peter Lederman of Soundsmith was very pleasant and their quality of service is impeccable. Yes they are expensive and do take a long time but the after result is well worth it. Everything they did to the deck was neatly itemized and I have no complaints with them whatsoever. Its warranted for a full year too! So we have ESL, Willy and now Soundsmith for service one can rely on for our beloved decks. Believe me folks, I am a very demanding customer and I have been around with what over 15-20 decks and these three are the best there could be for our decks. Thanks folks and please keep up the honest good work. Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Fri Mar 19 15:30:51 2010 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:30:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RAM Tandberg 3014A Message-ID: <07DD4D87534B4640A77D3EE7070CCFCB@RaysLaptop> Hello RAM, Im happy that you now have your Tandberg Deck back. And also that your happy with it. If your referrring to me, regarding Soundsmith, I just speak on personal experience. Peter does always talk ver smoothly and courteously, thats part of getting business. Im sure he is capable of doing whatever he does to the 3014's. Im just telling fellow members about a guy that specializes in Tandberg, and has for years. The Tandberg Rep, who still resides in NYC, from Oslo,Norway..had told me about the Tech I recommended. I already knew about him anyway, but was comforting to hear from Tandberg Rep. that Nick was his highest recommendation for Tandberg Repair/Refurbish Period, of all of his Authorized Tandberg USA Repair Centers. He is very prompt, tells you exactly what will be done, gives the price, which is usually very fair for all he does, and he has many NOS parts on Hand for many Tandberg Audio Products. As I said, I had all new Tandberg Heads installed, along with all the other necessary parts, and adjustments, etc...for less than the Tuneup price listed at soundsmith. Jeff Galin also knows Nick, and told me that when talking Tandberg, there is Noone better than Nick. Possibly your 3014A would have been your overall best sounding machine, bar none, if he did the job. Just a personal observation/opinion. But, regardless, im glad your happy. Its a great machine that you have there, Nick returns all parts that were replaced to you, and also gives you a 1 year warranty on the Entire Machine. His Turnover Time is very quick, normally a matter of 2 weeks, once started..he doesnt like to hold peoples decks for long wait times, so he works that into his schedule. Just something to keep in mind in future. Good Luck, Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 17:51:38 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Tandberg 3014 A Service By Soundsmith ! In-Reply-To: <134494.44860.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <204199.986.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, Yes true. I have had many instances where I was burnt( at times extensively) by some techs( esteemed members here) but others have been fine with and rave about. One man's food is another man's poison at times.My best experiences are what I noted in my prior email. We shall amicably agree to disagree on Soundsmith. Regards, Ram --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re:Tandberg 3014 A Service By Soundsmith ! Matter laid to rest! To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 10:07 AM I'm glad it worked out for you, Ram. However, due to the reasons I gave in an earlier post, they will never touch any of my Tandberg R2R's. There is no way I'm going to put them on a 'list' with Willy H. and ESL et al for Nak/Tandberg repair, based on ONE experience.  I'm delighted you had a good experience though-happy listening! Kevin Message: 8 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 A Service By Soundsmith ! Matter laid     to    rest! To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <270714.28466.qm at web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi friends, As most of you remember, I had mentioned about my Tandberg TCD 3014 A being given for  service ( full overhaul) to The Soundsmith of Peekskill, NY four months ago. I was also concerned that some one in this forum had mentioned to be aware of them! I had the opportunity of picking up the completed deck this afternoon, and hooking it up side by side with the other dominant Naks in the stable, notably the limited ZXL. I am proud and very  pleased and elated to report that the Tandberg beat every one of my decks in recording and listening( to Nak recorded tapes!) except for the 1000ZXL LTD after the Soundsmith's overhaul. In fact, I like some tracks on the Tandberg even slightly better(sweeter) sounding than the Limited!......Yes, no CR7,Dragon,700ZXE etc... could beat this Tandberg in play or record functions. The ZXLs do have an edge over (albeit very slightly) the Tandberg after ABLE in recording. I can comfortably report to the forum that my experience with Peter Lederman of Soundsmith was very pleasant and their quality of service is impeccable. Yes they are expensive and do take a long time but the after result is well worth it. Everything they did to the deck was neatly itemized and I have no complaints with them whatsoever. Its warranted for a full year too! So we have ESL, Willy and now Soundsmith for service one can rely on for our beloved decks.  Believe me folks, I am a very demanding customer and I have been around with what over 15-20 decks and these three are the best there could be for our decks. Thanks folks and please keep up the honest good work. Regards, Ram -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 18:23:16 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:23:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps Problems In-Reply-To: <974847.64373.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <974847.64373.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Too many to list. Open your machine and have a look. They are about the size of a kernel of corn -- and very bright orange. They have the highest failure rate in circuits where the voltage across them is highest. The recording output amplifiers, near or at the interface with the bias oscillator, are a prime area of failure. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:04 AM, eric benson wrote: > What specific Nak decks have the orange cap problems? > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Fri Mar 19 16:53:50 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Interesting deck In-Reply-To: <201003191117.o2JB88ox021410@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003191117.o2JB88ox021410@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <530960.89841.qm@web113707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Willy As you say, the Thorn DCR-1 isn't news to the Nakamichi community over here. They were quite common, and sold for considerably less than a Nakamichi 500. The Thorn DCR-1 is pretty much identical to a Nakamichi 500 - the only significant difference is that the DCR-1 doesn't have a 400Hz generator for record level adjustment. Thorn was also known as AWA-Thorn. The most interesting version (to me) of the Nakamichi 500 on the Australian market was the Sonab C500 from Sweden. It's interesting because of its styling - just googleSonab C500 and you'll see what I mean. Like the DCR-1, it doesn't have a 400Hz generator. On the Sonab deck, tape choice was cut back to just "Normal" and "CrO2" - whereas on the Nakamichi 500, there is also a "High" position. We also had a Wharfedale and a Goodmans version of the Nakamichi 500 on our market. I hardly remember them, but I think "500" figured in one of their type numbers. Various OEM versions of early Nakamichis are shown on the naks.com site under the tab NAKS in the OEM section. Other decks on our market made claims of a Nakamichi connection - notably decks by Harman Kardon, and Advent. I think the HK1000 was a Nakamichi 500 in disguise. Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:56:52 -0800 From: Willy Hermann Subject: [naktalk] Interesting deck To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4b6f92901003180856g2eaf9fc8p4f692b20af749064 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here's an interesting one! http://cgi.ebay.com/Thorn-DCR-1-cassette-deck-Dolby-Line-Mic-Nakamichi_W0QQitemZ260570968125QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Cassette_Decks?hash=item3cab3d703d#ht_501wt_1165 Maybe not news to our Australian members but I never knew there was a rebranded 500. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blkmacster at cox.net Fri Mar 19 17:54:26 2010 From: blkmacster at cox.net (CB) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:54:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] JICO Stylus's In-Reply-To: <201003191109.o2JB88ow021410@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003191109.o2JB88ow021410@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002501cac784$d59d3260$80d79720$@net> I have to agree with Ray's comments. I have Jico SAS stylus on the following: Shure Cartridges;MX97XE, V15IV, V15VMR and they all wonderfully. CB Message: 3 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:28:59 -0400 From: "Ray Riendeau" Subject: [naktalk] To: Message-ID: <48C24C31276C4D5BABA7567DD5BCBA4A at RaysLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Jerry, Its the JICO SAS version that is the excellent one. You could be having any number of problems with your setup. Take a walk over to the Vinyl Engine where fellow Turntable Audiophiles like myself, cant get enough of these. I have not heard of a bad sample as of yet either. But it must be the SAS stylus, which costs considerably more, and are custom made to order. In fact, the results with the V15's are remarkable, better than the original Shure. I have a SAS for my V15V MR-LE. I would be inclined to say your overlooking something, or, you didnt pay for the SAS stylus. I would not retract my statement, because your having a problem, way too many positives out there. It could be your sample, again, SAS is the one I recommend. And most are using the Top Shure cartridges, the V15's, or Ultra's. I hope you sort it out. Good Luck. Try the Vinyl Engine, they may be able to help you out with your setup. Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100318/cc0c8fa6/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Mar 19 19:33:26 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:33:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting deck In-Reply-To: <530960.89841.qm@web113707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <201003191117.o2JB88ox021410@zxe.naks.com> <530960.89841.qm@web113707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601cac792$aa2dc780$fe895680$@utah.edu> Wow that is a blast from the past. Sonab! What an interesting speaker they made. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of John Gipps Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:54 AM To: willy at willyhermannservices.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Interesting deck Hi Willy As you say, the Thorn DCR-1 isn't news to the Nakamichi community over here. They were quite common, and sold for considerably less than a Nakamichi 500. The Thorn DCR-1 is pretty much identical to a Nakamichi 500 - the only significant difference is that the DCR-1 doesn't have a 400Hz generator for record level adjustment. Thorn was also known as AWA-Thorn. The most interesting version (to me) of the Nakamichi 500 on the Australian market was the Sonab C500 from Sweden. It's interesting because of its styling - just google Sonab C500 and you'll see what I mean. Like the DCR-1, it doesn't have a 400Hz generator. On the Sonab deck, tape choice was cut back to just "Normal" and "CrO2" - whereas on the Nakamichi 500, there is also a "High" position. We also had a Wharfedale and a Goodmans version of the Nakamichi 500 on our market. I hardly remember them, but I think "500" figured in one of their type numbers. Various OEM versions of early Nakamichis are shown on the naks.com site under the tab NAKS in the OEM section. Other decks on our market made claims of a Nakamichi connection - notably decks by Harman Kardon, and Advent. I think the HK1000 was a Nakamichi 500 in disguise. Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:56:52 -0800 From: Willy Hermann Subject: [naktalk] Interesting deck To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4b6f92901003180856g2eaf9fc8p4f692b20af749064 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here's an interesting one! http://cgi.ebay.com/Thorn-DCR-1-cassette-deck-Dolby-Line-Mic-Nakamichi_W0QQitemZ260570968125QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Cassette_Decks?hash=item3cab3d703d#ht_501wt_1165 Maybe not news to our Australian members but I never knew there was a rebranded 500. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eej at enative.com Fri Mar 19 22:23:31 2010 From: eej at enative.com (Eric Jacobs) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:23:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Gear mod In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901002231242l32d242c8j220e655d4c47f805@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At what serial number did the gear mod come standard from the factory for the CR-7 and other Nak decks? Eric -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Remember when - OK -- how many of you remember this bag?? http://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-Nakamichi-Cassette-Deck-Reel-Motor-BHS7B02-50924-A _W0QQitemZ150417313622QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2305920 f56 If I'm not mistaken it's the bag of removed parts we all returned to our customers when they had us perform the gear modification to the Sankyo transport. I'm sure the seller has no idea that it's removed parts but I'd be willing to bet that the idler tire is hardened and glazed and that there are solder marks on the motor lugs. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 23:15:09 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RAM Tandberg 3014A In-Reply-To: <07DD4D87534B4640A77D3EE7070CCFCB@RaysLaptop> Message-ID: <681153.43970.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Ray. Ram --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Ray Riendeau wrote: From: Ray Riendeau Subject: [naktalk] RAM Tandberg 3014A To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 10:30 AM Hello RAM,                    Im happy that you now have your Tandberg Deck back. And also that your happy with it. If your referrring to me, regarding Soundsmith, I just speak on personal experience. Peter does always talk ver smoothly and courteously, thats part of getting business. Im sure he is capable of doing whatever he does to the 3014's. Im just telling fellow members about a guy that specializes in Tandberg, and has for years. The Tandberg Rep, who still resides in NYC, from Oslo,Norway..had told me about the Tech I recommended. I already knew about him anyway, but was comforting to hear from Tandberg Rep. that Nick was his highest recommendation for Tandberg Repair/Refurbish Period, of all of his Authorized Tandberg USA Repair Centers.  He is very prompt, tells you exactly what will be done, gives the price, which is usually very fair for all he does, and he has many NOS parts on Hand for many Tandberg Audio Products. As I said, I had all new Tandberg Heads installed, along with all the other necessary parts, and adjustments, etc...for less than the Tuneup price listed at soundsmith.  Jeff Galin also knows Nick, and told me that when talking Tandberg, there is Noone better than Nick.  Possibly your 3014A would have been your overall best sounding machine, bar none, if he did the job. Just a personal observation/opinion. But, regardless, im glad your happy. Its a great machine that you have there, Nick returns all parts that were replaced to you, and also gives you a 1 year warranty on the Entire Machine.  His Turnover Time is very quick, normally a matter of 2 weeks, once started..he doesnt like to hold peoples decks for long wait times, so he works that into his schedule. Just something to keep in mind in future. Good Luck, Ray -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wo-winter at versanet.de Sat Mar 20 05:52:07 2010 From: wo-winter at versanet.de (Wolfgang Winter) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:52:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] dragon - tape speed adjustment Message-ID: <4BA45477.2000105@versanet.de> Hi dear Nak-fans, as a new dragon-owner doing some maintenance seems important to me. Maybe the following questions seem simple, but I couldn't find an answer until now. So first I analysed the tape speed using a reference tape BASF 3150Hz a frequency generator and an oszilloscope. When using 3180Hz on the generator i got the waves nearly triggered to the ones from the tape. Now I got 2 questions. 1. The difference is nearly 1%. Is this normal or have I to adjust speed. 2. Where can I adjust the tape speed? Are the VR 501 and 502 on the motor P.C.B the right ones for foreward/reverse? Thanks in advance, Wolfgang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Mar 20 11:01:50 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:01:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] dragon - tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <4BA45477.2000105@versanet.de> References: <4BA45477.2000105@versanet.de> Message-ID: Dragon speed is oscillator locked and can't be adjusted. rgds, LP. El 20/03/2010, a las 05:52, Wolfgang Winter escribió: > Hi dear Nak-fans, > > as a new dragon-owner doing some maintenance seems important to me. > Maybe the following questions seem simple, but I couldn't find an answer until > now. > So first I analysed the tape speed using a reference tape BASF 3150Hz > a frequency generator and an oszilloscope. > When using 3180Hz on the generator i got the waves nearly triggered to > the ones from the tape. > Now I got 2 questions. > > 1. The difference is nearly 1%. Is this normal or have I to adjust speed. > 2. Where can I adjust the tape speed? Are the VR 501 and 502 on the > motor P.C.B the right ones for foreward/reverse? > > Thanks in advance, > > Wolfgang ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Mar 20 12:42:40 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:42:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] dragon - tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <4BA45477.2000105@versanet.de> References: <4BA45477.2000105@versanet.de> Message-ID: Besides, your generator may not be calibrated, and certainly is not the best way to measure speed. Try a freq. counter, or read freq somewhere else. Best rgds, Lp. http://naks.es El 20/03/2010, a las 05:52, Wolfgang Winter escribió: > When using 3180Hz on the > generator i got the waves nearly triggered to > the ones from the tape. From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 13:16:06 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] dragon - tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <4BA45477.2000105@versanet.de> References: <4BA45477.2000105@versanet.de> Message-ID: <550920.78212.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wolfgang, I question your test method. It seems you compared frequencies by comparing scope triggering? A far more accurate method is by setting a 1:1 (circular) Lissajous figure, which takes the 'scope sweep generator accuracy out of the picture. Second, I wonder about the accuracy of your audio generator. Most generators are much worse than 1%. The Dragon can be easily set to better than  1/2% , assuming use of correct test equipment and method.  Personally, I use a digital counter (accuracy: a tiny fraction of 1%) with the Teac 3KHz standard tape. -- Ron   ________________________________ From: Wolfgang Winter To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 6:52:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] dragon - tape speed adjustment Hi dear Nak-fans, as a new dragon-owner doing some maintenance seems important to me. Maybe the following questions seem simple, but I couldn't find an answer until now. So first I analysed the tape speed using a reference tape BASF 3150Hz a frequency generator and an oszilloscope. When using 3180Hz on the generator i got the waves nearly triggered to the ones from the tape. Now I got 2 questions. 1. The difference is nearly 1%. Is this normal or have I to adjust speed. 2. Where can I adjust the tape speed? Are the VR 501 and 502 on the motor P.C.B the right ones for foreward/reverse? Thanks in advance, Wolfgang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 13:17:55 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] dragon - tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: References: <4BA45477.2000105@versanet.de> Message-ID: <153262.50451.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WOW!!! Just disregard my previous response!!! -- Ron   ________________________________ From: Luis Peromarta Regert To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 12:01:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon - tape speed adjustment Dragon speed is oscillator locked and can't be adjusted. rgds, LP. El 20/03/2010, a las 05:52, Wolfgang Winter escribió: Hi dear Nak-fans, > > >as a new dragon-owner doing some maintenance seems important to me. >Maybe the following questions seem simple, but I couldn't find an answer until >now. >So first I analysed the tape speed using a reference tape BASF 3150Hz >a frequency generator and an oszilloscope. >When using 3180Hz on the generator i got the waves nearly triggered to >the ones from the tape. >Now I got 2 questions. > > >1. The difference is nearly 1%. Is this normal or have I to adjust speed. >2. Where can I adjust the tape speed? Are the VR 501 and 502 on the >motor P.C.B the right ones for foreward/reverse? > >Thanks in advance, > >Wolfgang========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 14:09:00 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] dragon - tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <4BA45477.2000105@versanet.de> Message-ID: <815287.71528.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do not try any presets on the Motor Drive board- Dragon speed is fixed and will be very accurate. Kannan --- On Sat, 3/20/10, Wolfgang Winter wrote: From: Wolfgang Winter Subject: [naktalk] dragon - tape speed adjustment To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:52 AM #yiv1809974128 p, #yiv1809974128 li {white-space:pre-wrap;} Hi dear Nak-fans, as a new dragon-owner doing some maintenance seems important to me. Maybe the following questions seem simple, but I couldn't find an answer until now. So first I analysed the tape speed using a reference tape BASF 3150Hz a frequency generator and an oszilloscope. When using 3180Hz on the generator i got the waves nearly triggered to the ones from the tape. Now I got 2 questions. 1. The difference is nearly 1%. Is this normal or have I to adjust speed. 2. Where can I adjust the tape speed? Are the VR 501 and 502 on the motor P.C.B the right ones for foreward/reverse? Thanks in advance, Wolfgang -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitrack at hotmail.com Sun Mar 21 18:35:15 2010 From: hitrack at hotmail.com (Jeff C.) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:35:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon needs to warm up Message-ID: Strange....I find almost all the time after just turning the deck on it will not get an accurate level reading when calibrating tapes, the "tape" level is always higher than the "source" level. Once I've let the deck sit idle and warm up for an hour or two it will correct itself. Anyone else notice anything similar to this? Seems to be more with type 1 tapes. The deck has never been serviced to my knowledge and works fine other than this one Idiosyncrasy. . _________________________________________________________________ Live connected with Messenger on your phone http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712958 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 20:19:46 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon needs to warm up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <861173.29644.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That symptom shows that it needs service! kannan --- On Sun, 3/21/10, Jeff C. wrote: From: Jeff C. Subject: [naktalk] Dragon needs to warm up To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 1:35 PM Strange....I find almost all the time after just turning the deck on it will not get an accurate level reading when calibrating tapes, the "tape" level is always higher than the "source" level. Once I've let the deck sit idle and warm up for an hour or two it will correct itself. Anyone else notice anything similar to this? Seems to be more with type 1 tapes. The deck has never been serviced to my knowledge and works fine other than this one Idiosyncrasy.  . Take your contacts everywhere. Try Messenger for mobile -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 21:07:02 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:07:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon needs to warm up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is the symptom the same in both channels, or is it predominantly or totally in one channel? Are the playback amplifiers stable through the same warmup cycle? Does the problem happen on "regular" tape, high bias tape, and metal tape? Or mostly or only on one type of tape? Has the symptom been gradually worsening? Or did it show up suddenly? Are there any other symptoms, however subtle, which seem to accompany the primary symptom? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Jeff C. wrote: > Strange....I find almost all the time after just turning the deck on it > will not get an accurate level reading when > calibrating tapes, the "tape" level is always higher than the "source" > level. Once I've let the deck sit idle and > warm up for an hour or two it will correct itself. Anyone else notice > anything similar to this? Seems to be more > with type 1 tapes. The deck has never been serviced to my knowledge and > works fine other than this one *Idiosyncrasy.* > . > > ------------------------------ > Take your contacts everywhere. Try Messenger for mobile > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Mar 23 11:04:57 2010 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson - Google) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:04:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] A small bit of luck ... In-Reply-To: <607056.43937.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <607056.43937.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e801caca70$4b68fcc0$e23af640$@com> The other weekend I came across a large Curry's store at Aintree that was closing for refurbishment. They are sited right next door to a PC World, which is fortuitous because they were not the same company when the sites were chosen and the two stores are apparently to be merged into one big superstore. The Curry's bit is closing for the start of the refurbishment. Inside they were selling off odds and ends at silly prices. Imagine my surprise when I found in an odds-and-sods bargain bin a pack of new old-stock 5-pack of TDK SA90's for ..... 7 pence for the lot! I don't really five more blank cassettes - I have too many as it is, but I couldn't resist buying. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Mar 23 12:45:24 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:45:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A small bit of luck ... Message-ID: Gra' Good for you! Now do not take out any Lotto's and such like--you will be wasting that money as you have had your luck. I am compliling a list of jigs and test tapes prescribed by Nakamichi for the tuning of their cassettes. I have the info for the following:1000ZXL,700ZXE ,680, 682zx  ,500, Dragon, CR7 ,CR3, BX300(machines I have). If anyone would want to tell me those tapes and jigs required for your tape deck (as specified in the Service Manual) but not listed above,please do so. I will make the list available on this emporium! Has anyone got a User and Service Manual for me for a newly acquired Nak MB-2,I will be happy to receive them  and of course pay for them by PayPal! Walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:Graham Nelson - Google  Sent:Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:04  To:'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' naktalk at naks.com;  Subject:[naktalk] A small bit of luck ... The other weekend I came across a large Curry’s store at Aintree that was closing for refurbishment.  They are sited right next door to a PC World, which is fortuitous because they were not the same company when the sites were chosen and the two stores are apparently to be merged into one big superstore.  The Curry’s bit is closing for the start of the refurbishment.  Inside they were selling off odds and ends at silly prices.  Imagine my surprise when I found in an odds-and-sods bargain bin a pack of new old-stock 5-pack of TDK SA90’s for ..... 7 pence for the lot!   I don’t really five more blank cassettes – I have too many as it is, but I couldn’t resist buying.   Graham   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Mar 24 01:19:15 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:19:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Gauge Message-ID: <4b6f92901003231719o5a51c3a7sf66499ea99ecfab4@mail.gmail.com> After a six month process which frequently approximated oral surgery I finally have cassette alignment gauges available. If you want to see it and how it works please visit my site: www.willyhs.com . I will offer it to NakTalk members for $150 plus freight. U.S. purchasers - I will use USPS flat rate box shipping at $10.70. International varies but will be around $30.00. Anyone interested please contact me off line. Thanks Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Wed Mar 24 02:29:51 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:29:51 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] A small bit of luck ... In-Reply-To: <201003231106.o2NB04K6001664@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003231106.o2NB04K6001664@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8f8eb34ab53e99cc251e08c1ac7eba68.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> > old-stock 5-pack of TDK SA90's for ..... 7 pence for the lot! I don't > really five more blank cassettes - I have too many as it is, but I > couldn't > resist buying. > Graham Haha... you lucky plucker.. you have only mentioned this to tease the rest of us right?? :o) From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 02:50:37 2010 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:50:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Gauge In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901003231719o5a51c3a7sf66499ea99ecfab4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92901003231719o5a51c3a7sf66499ea99ecfab4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1111003231850lab8eaaasc7f2479c5b843126@mail.gmail.com> That is a thing of beauty WH!!!! I'll be getting one shortly! -Tim On Mar 23, 2010 8:51 PM, "Willy Hermann" wrote: After a six month process which frequently approximated oral surgery I finally have cassette alignment gauges available. If you want to see it and how it works please visit my site: www.willyhs.com . I will offer it to NakTalk members for $150 plus freight. U.S. purchasers - I will use USPS flat rate box shipping at $10.70. International varies but will be around $30.00. Anyone interested please contact me off line. Thanks Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Mar 24 10:01:08 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:01:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] donation: 670zx Message-ID: <8e725751887f602d0a00d2ac13733d93.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Anyone interested in this 670zx with problems but looking good? It is in Sweden! Contact me off-list if you want it. Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Mar 24 13:18:12 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:18:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] donation: 670zx In-Reply-To: <8e725751887f602d0a00d2ac13733d93.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <8e725751887f602d0a00d2ac13733d93.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hi everyone, I got a lot of response for this one, so consider it taken! Wouter > > Anyone interested in this 670zx with problems but looking good? > It is in Sweden! > > Contact me off-list if you want it. > > Wouter > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Mar 24 23:30:12 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:30:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Gauge In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901003231719o5a51c3a7sf66499ea99ecfab4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92901003231719o5a51c3a7sf66499ea99ecfab4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03af8bbbe70488bd1db59d61906caf93.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Willy, Great achievement! Seeing the picture on your site I remembered owning something similar, but never knowing what it was/how to use it. It is metal crafted (heavy) and has the same smaller pice of metal as is visible on your site. My 'tape' reads: DA09092B Head Alignment Check Gauge, Nakamichi Corporation Now do you know this gauge? Or anyone else knows if it is for the same purpose. Wouter > After a six month process which frequently approximated oral surgery I > finally have cassette alignment gauges available. If you want to see it > and > how it works please visit my site: www.willyhs.com . > > I will offer it to NakTalk members for $150 plus freight. U.S. purchasers > - > I will use USPS flat rate box shipping at $10.70. International varies > but > will be around $30.00. Anyone interested please contact me off line. > > Thanks > Willy From krug100 at gmail.com Thu Mar 25 10:05:08 2010 From: krug100 at gmail.com (Dmitri Ogleznev) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:05:08 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX parts Message-ID: Hi nice people, I just bought Nakamichi 680XZ cassette deck in a reasonable condition. Everything seems to work properly, but it may be needs some calibration and adjustments. Cosmetically its nit so bat ether, but unfortunately some parts are missing so I was wondering would you be able to help me with that. There is the list of parts i need below: Eject Lever part number 0H03724F; Cassette Case Cover Assy part number HA03882A (I need just one little screw which holds the cover in place, but I couldn't find part number for this thing); Side panel part number 0H03788B (2) + Handle part number 0H03763B (2) (or may be just cover which used instead of those). If you could provide me any information regarding those part, I would be really greatfull. Thank you in advance. Best regards from New Zealand, Dmitri P.S. I'm new here and may be I missed some information regarding what I need. If you point me in right direction, it would be great. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is the list of parts i need > below: > > Eject Lever part number 0H03724F; Cassette Case Cover Assy part > number HA03882A (I need just one little screw which holds the cover > in place, but I couldn't find part number for this thing); Side > panel part number 0H03788B (2) + Handle part number 0H03763B (2) (or > may be just cover which used instead of those). > > If you could provide me any information regarding those part, I > would be really greatfull. Thank you in advance. > > Best regards from New Zealand, > Dmitri > > P.S. I'm new here and may be I missed some information regarding > what I need. If you point me in right direction, it would be great. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris155 at gmail.com Thu Mar 25 14:43:37 2010 From: chris155 at gmail.com (chris t) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:43:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cassette Gauge Message-ID: <596cc20b1003250643x3b8ddd13w754cd96acf4a744f@mail.gmail.com> Willy, thanks so much for your effort on this, and this is great news! It looks great, too! -Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at birch.net Thu Mar 25 18:55:21 2010 From: hitech at birch.net (tom brucker) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:55:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Out of the loop Message-ID: I learned that I have been receiving only a small percentage of NakTalk posts. I am trying to repair the email problem. Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pk. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at BIRCH.net From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Thu Mar 25 18:44:11 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:44:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX parts References: Message-ID: <8C9EBA06D07F44AAB1928AFEE091C63C@superdator> Hi Dmitri! There is a man on german ebay who is selling his 680ZX as spare parts. I just bought a tape selector knob from him and it was in perfect condition. Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dmitri Ogleznev To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX parts Hi nice people, I just bought Nakamichi 680XZ cassette deck in a reasonable condition. Everything seems to work properly, but it may be needs some calibration and adjustments. Cosmetically its nit so bat ether, but unfortunately some parts are missing so I was wondering would you be able to help me with that. There is the list of parts i need below: Eject Lever part number 0H03724F; Cassette Case Cover Assy part number HA03882A (I need just one little screw which holds the cover in place, but I couldn't find part number for this thing); Side panel part number 0H03788B (2) + Handle part number 0H03763B (2) (or may be just cover which used instead of those). If you could provide me any information regarding those part, I would be really greatfull. Thank you in advance. Best regards from New Zealand, Dmitri P.S. I'm new here and may be I missed some information regarding what I need. If you point me in right direction, it would be great. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Mar 25 23:58:56 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:58:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-300 vs DA09092? In-Reply-To: <849949940.6775531269550480430.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.c omcast.net> References: <849949940.6775531269550480430.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Perry, Thanks for this informative description! Never knew what is was for, so now I should take this gauge more serious. Will shoot a picture and post it. Also I need to learn how to use it. Wouter > > > Wouter, > Yes, the 9092 would have the exact same gauge function as Willy's, which > is a copy of the InformationTerminals M-300. Interestingly, the SM for the > RX202 specifies an M-300, and not the 9092 or any of the other 2 head Nak > gauges, which, to me, appear to work fine.  Perhaps, the M-300 was more > prevalent, so they decided to spec it instead of the Nak gauges, which > were possibly out of production by that time?  There were certainly decks > produced after the RX202, that still spec the newer Nak gauges, so I don't > know. The high last two digits (92) shows it is a very late production > gauge.  I've never seen a 9092, and would love to see a photo to compare! > Perry Esposito > From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu Mar 25 21:54:40 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] M-300 vs DA09092? In-Reply-To: <1784281488.6774671269550407826.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <849949940.6775531269550480430.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Wouter, Yes, the 9092 would have the exact same gauge function as Willy's, which is a copy of the InformationTerminals M-300. Interestingly, the SM for the RX202 specifies an M-300, and not the 9092 or any of the other 2 head Nak gauges, which, to me, appear to work fine.  Perhaps, the M-300 was more prevalent, so they decided to spec it instead of the Nak gauges, which were possibly out of production by that time?  There were certainly decks produced after the RX202, that still spec the newer Nak gauges, so I don't know. The high last two digits (92) shows it is a very late production gauge.  I've never seen a 9092, and would love to see a photo to compare! Perry Esposito -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krug100 at gmail.com Fri Mar 26 01:54:35 2010 From: krug100 at gmail.com (Dmitri Ogleznev) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:54:35 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX parts In-Reply-To: <8C9EBA06D07F44AAB1928AFEE091C63C@superdator> References: <8C9EBA06D07F44AAB1928AFEE091C63C@superdator> Message-ID: Would you please provide the link for me!... On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Pär Ericsson wrote: > Hi Dmitri! > > There is a man on german ebay who is selling his 680ZX as spare parts. I > just bought a tape selector knob > from him and it was in perfect condition. > > Pelle. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Dmitri Ogleznev > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:05 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX parts > > Hi nice people, > > I just bought Nakamichi 680XZ cassette deck in a reasonable condition. > Everything seems to work properly, but it may be needs some calibration and > adjustments. Cosmetically its nit so bat ether, but unfortunately some parts > are missing so I was wondering would you be able to help me with that. There > is the list of parts i need below: > > Eject Lever part number 0H03724F; Cassette Case Cover Assy part number > HA03882A (I need just one little screw which holds the cover in place, but I > couldn't find part number for this thing); Side panel part number 0H03788B > (2) + Handle part number 0H03763B (2) (or may be just cover which > used instead of those). > > If you could provide me any information regarding those part, I would > be really greatfull. Thank you in advance. > > Best regards from New Zealand, > Dmitri > > P.S. I'm new here and may be I missed some information regarding what I > need. 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Interestingly, the SM for the RX202 specifies an M-300, and not the 9092 or any of the other 2 head Nak gauges, which, to me, appear to work fine. Perhaps, the M-300 was more prevalent, so they decided to spec it instead of the Nak gauges, which were possibly out of production by that time? There were certainly decks produced after the RX202, that still spec the newer Nak gauges, so I don't know. The high last two digits (92) shows it is a very late production gauge. I've never seen a 9092, and would love to see a photo to compare! Perry Esposito -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 18:19:53 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] M-300 vs DA09092? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <232495.7713.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It cannot set the play record head tilt - but great for guide height adjustment whenever you encounter frozen Pinch rollar pivot. Yes one gage alone help you most of the times! kannan --- On Fri, 3/26/10, tom brucker wrote: From: tom brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-300 vs DA09092? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:07 AM  #yiv128591352 P { MARGIN:0px;} I cannot read Wouter's initial post. I am thrilled that Willy has produced the M300 gauge!  The gauge will do all 2 head and 3 head alignments except the erase head tilt and position (has anyone had to set this, ever?) It is, however, crude and awkward as a tilt gauge.  tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:55 PM To: wheijke at xs4all.nl Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] M-300 vs DA09092? Wouter, Yes, the 9092 would have the exact same gauge function as Willy's, which is a copy of the InformationTerminals M-300. Interestingly, the SM for the RX202 specifies an M-300, and not the 9092 or any of the other 2 head Nak gauges, which, to me, appear to work fine.  Perhaps, the M-300 was more prevalent, so they decided to spec it instead of the Nak gauges, which were possibly out of production by that time?  There were certainly decks produced after the RX202, that still spec the newer Nak gauges, so I don't know. The high last two digits (92) shows it is a very late production gauge.  I've never seen a 9092, and would love to see a photo to compare! Perry Esposito -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Mar 26 19:22:08 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:22:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Vu meter and playback circuit In-Reply-To: <7e5e2f881003260819m19ec5b3eh51f87f8174776bfa@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e5e2f881003260819m19ec5b3eh51f87f8174776bfa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b6f92901003261122t3b1328baw72dec39885406201@mail.gmail.com> Your problems are not likely to be connected. The meter problem is usually due to failure of one of three "orange drop" capacitors inside the meter can (there are only three in there - change them all when you have it apart). The inability to record is frequently also due to "orange drop" caps in the bias oscillator. Change C321/C322 (both 4700pf mylar caps) and see if the recording problem goes away. Neither of these problems have anything to do with the playback sound quality of the deck. Check to make sure the tape path - including the capstan shafts - is very clean. As far as I know there isn't any "normal" part failure which causes loss if HF in playback. Best of luck Willy On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Daniel Sun wrote: > Hello, I have this 680ZX just three months purchased from a shop listed in > Audiogon, it is mint both physically and mechnically until the dreaded "FL > VU meter started acting up and disappeared all of a sudden as well as the > dulling/fading of playback and could not calibrate or record as well, I > would like to know which of the orange caps need to be replaced i.e. > playback circuit board onlt? Would this require an electrical calibration > and how long would it last after such replacement? > > Rgds, > > Daniel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Fri Mar 26 19:29:04 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:29:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX parts References: <8C9EBA06D07F44AAB1928AFEE091C63C@superdator> Message-ID: <6B31155D53B74BDE878B39126FA7462A@superdator> The seller dont have any items for sale right now but here is a link so you can contact him http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/verkaufsagentur-bayern?ssPageName=ADME:X:eRTM:GB:1181 Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dmitri Ogleznev To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX parts Would you please provide the link for me!... On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Pär Ericsson wrote: Hi Dmitri! There is a man on german ebay who is selling his 680ZX as spare parts. I just bought a tape selector knob from him and it was in perfect condition. Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dmitri Ogleznev To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX parts Hi nice people, I just bought Nakamichi 680XZ cassette deck in a reasonable condition. Everything seems to work properly, but it may be needs some calibration and adjustments. Cosmetically its nit so bat ether, but unfortunately some parts are missing so I was wondering would you be able to help me with that. There is the list of parts i need below: Eject Lever part number 0H03724F; Cassette Case Cover Assy part number HA03882A (I need just one little screw which holds the cover in place, but I couldn't find part number for this thing); Side panel part number 0H03788B (2) + Handle part number 0H03763B (2) (or may be just cover which used instead of those). If you could provide me any information regarding those part, I would be really greatfull. Thank you in advance. Best regards from New Zealand, Dmitri P.S. I'm new here and may be I missed some information regarding what I need. 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URL: From dandhsun at gmail.com Sat Mar 27 00:24:17 2010 From: dandhsun at gmail.com (Daniel Sun) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:24:17 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Vu meter and playback circuit In-Reply-To: <4b6f92901003261122t3b1328baw72dec39885406201@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e5e2f881003260819m19ec5b3eh51f87f8174776bfa@mail.gmail.com> <4b6f92901003261122t3b1328baw72dec39885406201@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e5e2f881003261624g560d18eci518b8c3e437587e8@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Willy. It's interesting that I could monitor the deterioration from day one by flipping to calibration mode and source and the meter starts from 0db and slowly drops by a few dbs over the days. Will check on the capstan shafts as well. Rgds, Daniel On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > Your problems are not likely to be connected. The meter problem is usually > due to failure of one of three "orange drop" capacitors inside the meter can > (there are only three in there - change them all when you have it apart). > The inability to record is frequently also due to "orange drop" caps in the > bias oscillator. Change C321/C322 (both 4700pf mylar caps) and see if the > recording problem goes away. Neither of these problems have anything to do > with the playback sound quality of the deck. Check to make sure the tape > path - including the capstan shafts - is very clean. As far as I know there > isn't any "normal" part failure which causes loss if HF in playback. > > Best of luck > Willy > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Daniel Sun wrote: > >> Hello, I have this 680ZX just three months purchased from a shop listed >> in Audiogon, it is mint both physically and mechnically until the dreaded >> "FL VU meter started acting up and disappeared all of a sudden as well as >> the dulling/fading of playback and could not calibrate or record as well, I >> would like to know which of the orange caps need to be replaced i.e. >> playback circuit board onlt? 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First the capstans look as though they have some sort of rust on them, will this damage my cassettes? Is there something I can do to remove it? All so when I press play or record the deck makes a brief groaning sound before it engages, it sounds kind of like metal against metal. Any help would be greatly appreciated. By the way if any one is looking for good blank cassettes, I would recommend these I found on eBay (I have nothing to gain if you buy them) just search for TDK SA C-90. $20.00 for 25 tapes with cases labels and J-cards. Thanks David Miille -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Mar 28 15:09:21 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] My new 680 Message-ID: <1196552677.7753641269781761994.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Welcome to Naktalk, David, if you are new here. The "rust" on the capstans, is most likely tape residue. I don't believe any Nak capstan can actually rust, but it can be corroded if something really aggresive was used to clean it.  I've had capstans that the tape residue was so deep and so entrenched, it has taken 1/2 hour to scrub clean! The capstans with a frosted surface actually do get permanently stained.  I've not found a solvent that will remove the staining.  Polished capstans will always clean up like new. Your choice of solvents comes down to where you are located, and what is available.  Many recommend 99% isopropyl alcohol, but my opinon is that it is only good for cleaning lightly soiled capstans. It takes too long to evaporate, IMHO. I use American Recorder S-721H. https://www.americanrecorder.com/index.php   Annoyingly fast to evaporate, so you use a bit more, but effective.  And of course, plenty of wooden sticked cotton swabs. For really stubborn residue on capstans only, acetone is great, but you have to be VERY VERY careful not to let it touch plastic, as it dissolves many of them.  It can also clean out the oil in the bearings, if it gets wicked into them, so I only use it on removed capstans, myself. Don't lean too hard on a capstan when cleaning, not good for the bearings, and it is possible to bend the capstan. The groan is most likely the classic mechanism mode cam gear shaft.  It is very very common on classic mechanisms.  One drop of oil on the SS shaft that the large cam gear rotates on, and it will go away.  It can also just be a stretched cam belt slipping.  If you haven't read some of the service bulletins on the Wiki page, that one is there, with pictures. www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents   Perry Esposito -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Mar 28 22:41:36 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:41:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] My new 680 In-Reply-To: <1196552677.7753641269781761994.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1196552677.7753641269781761994.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Way back in the early 1970's, when I was first getting into servicing tape recorders, I bought Middleton's book on how to repair tape recorders. As I recall, it was a Howard Sams publication. In any case, he said that when you have stubborn oxide residues on either heads or capstans, you should use a lemonwood stick, along with solvent, to help scrape it off. This translates to ice cream sticks, wooden chopsticks from your local Chinese restaurant, or wooden shish-ka-bob skewers. This works because on either the Rockwell or the Mohs hardness scales, wood is softer than the softest tape head metal. NOTE: scrape, don't jab! This trick has stood me in good stead for 38 years! I have never scratched a tape head, and have successfully cleaned thousands of extremely stubborn deposits off of heads and capstans. Hope this is useful. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 6:09 AM, wrote: > Welcome to Naktalk, David, if you are new here. The "rust" on the capstans, > is most likely tape residue. I don't believe any Nak capstan can actually > rust, but it can be corroded if something really aggresive was used to clean > it. I've had capstans that the tape residue was so deep and so entrenched, > it has taken 1/2 hour to scrub clean! The capstans with a frosted > surface actually do get permanently stained. I've not found a solvent that > will remove the staining. Polished capstans will always clean up like new. > Your choice of solvents comes down to where you are located, and what is > available. Many recommend 99% isopropyl alcohol, but my opinon is that it > is only good for cleaning lightly soiled capstans. It takes too long to > evaporate, IMHO. I use American Recorder S-721H. > https://www.americanrecorder.com/index.php Annoyingly fast to evaporate, > so you use a bit more, but effective. And of course, plenty of wooden > sticked cotton swabs. For really stubborn residue on capstans only, acetone > is great, but you have to be VERY VERY careful not to let it touch plastic, > as it dissolves many of them. It can also clean out the oil in the > bearings, if it gets wicked into them, so I only use it on removed capstans, > myself. Don't lean too hard on a capstan when cleaning, not good for the > bearings, and it is possible to bend the capstan. > > > > The groan is most likely the classic mechanism mode cam gear shaft. It is > very very common on classic mechanisms. One drop of oil on the SS shaft > that the large cam gear rotates on, and it will go away. It can also just > be a stretched cam belt slipping. If you haven't read some of the service > bulletins on the Wiki page, that one is there, with pictures. > www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents > > > > Perry Esposito > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 16:16:55 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Re: My new 680 In-Reply-To: <201003281018.o2SA8PbI020091@zxe.naks.com> References: <201003281018.o2SA8PbI020091@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <162875.70717.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> David, As far as your TT....I had the same problem; pier & beam, wood floors, plaster walls and a small living room. My solution was about $25 at a Home Depot and an afternoon. Simply, I made a Plexiglas cage for my TT (reinforced with wood pieces & threaded rod) and hung the assembly from the ceiling. It was a remarkably easy fix to a problem that nagged me for yrs. Conversely, there are many isolator systems online for a whole lot of money....some people even make/sell what looks like a 'fancy' litter box (with sand) to some effect. As far as your deck; even though you may be able to restore the deck mechanically yourself, these decks need to be calibrated and aligned by professionals that have the correct equipment. There has been much free advice given here on how to troubleshoot mechanical problems on these decks-do a search. Short of that, at some point you are going to make adjustments by ear....hearing tests are fine as long as the proper calibration has been done beforehand with the correct equipment. However, without the proper test equipment you'll never do your deck justice. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:40:35 -0700 (PDT) From: david mille Subject: [naktalk] My new 680 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <379225.90269.qm at web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello fellow NAK talk members. My new Nakamichi 680 is completely awesome, I never knew cassette tape could sound so good. This is actually my third Nakamichi in about a month, long story. I have been into vinyl for about 7 years and thought I would try cassettes to transfer some of my favorite vinyl records to for easy, and convent play. All so because I have to tread lightly when walking by my record player, because of my peer and beam foundation. My stylus like to go for a ride. OK to the point this deck was purchased with advice from Willy (I should have bought the one he was selling about a month ago). The deck works perfect, though I have a couple of questions about it. First the capstans look as though they have some sort of rust on them, will this damage my cassettes? Is there something I can do to remove it? All so when I press play or record the deck makes a brief groaning sound before it engages, it sounds kind of like metal against metal. Any help would be greatly appreciated. By the way if any one is looking for good blank cassettes, I would recommend these I found on eBay (I have nothing to gain if you buy them) just search for TDK SA C-90. $20.00 for 25 tapes with cases labels and J-cards. Thanks David Miille From morningmuff at hotmail.com Mon Mar 29 15:37:37 2010 From: morningmuff at hotmail.com (Alaxy Galaxy) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:37:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon REV azimuth issues Message-ID: Hello, I've had a Dragon for a few years, and the azimuth does not sync in reverse. When I play tapes forward, it has no problems and sounds brilliant. However, in reverse, it sweeps for a while and sometimes settles on something unlistenable and nowhere within the sweep does it sound any good. The heads measure fine with my multimeter. Any ideas? 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However, in reverse, it sweeps for a while and sometimes > settles on something unlistenable and nowhere within the sweep does > it sound any good. The heads measure fine with my multimeter. Any > ideas? > > Thanks. > > -Dragon Won't Back Up. > > Don't miss a beat Get Messenger on your phone > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 06:47:17 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:47:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon REV azimuth issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When you say "measure fine with my multimeter," what do you mean? And why would a person use a multimeter on a tape head? First, the output of a tape head is too small for anything but a laboratory-grade AC microvoltmeter to measure. Second, hooking an ohmmeter across a tape head can harm some heads. In any case, the head must be immediately demagnetized after the ohmmeter is disconnected. Third, the bias voltage during record is normally outside the upper-frequency bandwidth of the typical multimeter. Or . . . are you referring to test point voltages in the auto-azimuth circuit? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Alaxy Galaxy wrote: > Hello, > > I've had a Dragon for a few years, and the azimuth does not sync in > reverse. When I play tapes forward, it has no problems and sounds brilliant. > However, in reverse, it sweeps for a while and sometimes settles on > something unlistenable and nowhere within the sweep does it sound any good. > The heads measure fine with my multimeter. Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > -Dragon Won't Back Up. > > ------------------------------ > Don't miss a beat Get Messenger on your phone > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 21:37:53 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon REV azimuth issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <151389.25793.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What he meant was that the head coil resistance is OK - that they are fine. He did not mean any signal measurement Alaxy - Your Dragon needs service by an experienced ( also having all Nak gauges/tapes for alignment) service tech kannan    --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon REV azimuth issues To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 12:47 AM When you say "measure fine with my multimeter," what do you mean? And why would a person use a multimeter on a tape head? First, the output of a tape head is too small for anything but a laboratory-grade AC microvoltmeter to measure. Second, hooking an ohmmeter across a tape head can harm some heads. In any case, the head must be immediately demagnetized after the ohmmeter is disconnected. Third, the bias voltage during record is normally outside the upper-frequency bandwidth of the typical multimeter. Or . . . are you referring to test point voltages in the auto-azimuth circuit? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Alaxy Galaxy wrote: Hello, I've had a Dragon for a few years, and the azimuth does not sync in reverse. When I play tapes forward, it has no problems and sounds brilliant. However, in reverse, it sweeps for a while and sometimes settles on something unlistenable and nowhere within the sweep does it sound any good. The heads measure fine with my multimeter. Any ideas? Thanks. -Dragon Won't Back Up. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 01:59:23 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:59:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon REV azimuth issues In-Reply-To: <151389.25793.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <151389.25793.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kannan, I was only partially alluding to measuring voltages. Regarding resistance measurement, on the internet numerous posters indicate they use an ohmmeter directly to measure coil resistance. When I was a manager in the Panasonic Service Division, if I caught a tech doing that I would write him up. Although Fluke and others make special low-current ohmmeters, many hobbiest-grade ohmmeters put out enough current to run a small motor. Hook one of those ohmmeters across a head or phono cartridge, and don't be surprised if the current kills the coil. I will only measure head coil resistance using a 100k current-limiting resistor in series with my ohmmeter. Similarly, I will only measure phono cartridge coil resistance with a series 100k resistor. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:37 PM, kannan srinivasaraghavan < kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> wrote: > What he meant was that the head coil resistance is OK - that they are fine. > He did not mean any signal measurement > Alaxy > - Your Dragon needs service by an experienced ( also having all Nak > gauges/tapes for alignment) service tech > kannan > > > --- On *Tue, 3/30/10, Fred Longworth *wrote: > > > From: Fred Longworth > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon REV azimuth issues > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 12:47 AM > > > When you say "measure fine with my multimeter," what do you mean? And why > would a person use a multimeter on a tape head? > > First, the output of a tape head is too small for anything but a > laboratory-grade AC microvoltmeter to measure. > > Second, hooking an ohmmeter across a tape head can harm some heads. In any > case, the head must be immediately demagnetized after the ohmmeter is > disconnected. > > Third, the bias voltage during record is normally outside the > upper-frequency bandwidth of the typical multimeter. > > Or . . . are you referring to test point voltages in the auto-azimuth > circuit? > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Alaxy Galaxy > > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I've had a Dragon for a few years, and the azimuth does not sync in >> reverse. When I play tapes forward, it has no problems and sounds brilliant. >> However, in reverse, it sweeps for a while and sometimes settles on >> something unlistenable and nowhere within the sweep does it sound any good. >> The heads measure fine with my multimeter. 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The only deck that can stand up to the Naks( high end) is the Tandberg 3014A........ Ram --- On Tue, 3/30/10, george valkov wrote: From: george valkov Subject: [naktalk] TEAC Z-7000 To: "Naktalk" Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 10:25 AM What a beast ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Teac-Z-7000-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ250601197372QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CE_Cassette_RL?hash=item3a58fecf3c -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. 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URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 17:11:20 2010 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:11:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TEAC Z-7000 In-Reply-To: <731931.1987.qm@web112710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <518b7b11003300725i4dab96a2y78de4b4fb0932ef3@mail.gmail.com> <731931.1987.qm@web112710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I never said it's better - just that it's a beast -:). On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:33 PM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > George, > > I have used this deck side by side with the Naks and the Naks blow it out > of the park. > > The only deck that can stand up to the Naks( high end) is the Tandberg > 3014A........ > > Ram > > --- On *Tue, 3/30/10, george valkov * wrote: > > > From: george valkov > Subject: [naktalk] TEAC Z-7000 > To: "Naktalk" > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 10:25 AM > > > What a beast ! > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Teac-Z-7000-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ250601197372QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CE_Cassette_RL?hash=item3a58fecf3c > > -- > "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals > built the Titanic." > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 18:12:29 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] TEAC Z-7000 In-Reply-To: <518b7b11003300725i4dab96a2y78de4b4fb0932ef3@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b11003300725i4dab96a2y78de4b4fb0932ef3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <173348.92176.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is a beast and unbelieveably heavy too.  The frame is made out of thick pieces of die cast aluminum.  I have a bunch of picture of the insides on my web site somewhere is anyone is interested.  I don't think it's linked from my normal web pages though. ________________________________ From: george valkov To: Naktalk Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 7:25:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] TEAC Z-7000 What a beast ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Teac-Z-7000-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ250601197372QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CE_Cassette_RL?hash=item3a58fecf3c -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2010\2010-May.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat May 1 08:38:01 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:38:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Need to get my Cassette Deck One fixed In-Reply-To: <9924482.154671272564836731.JavaMail.root@mail-zbox2.bo3.lycos.com> References: <9924482.154671272564836731.JavaMail.root@mail-zbox2.bo3.lycos.com> Message-ID: I'll give you a second opinion. The best tape heads in the history of audio cassette decks were made by Nakamichi. The number of bad Nak heads I've seen in the last thirty years has been so few that it boggles the mind. On the other hand, I've seen many hundreds of Teac, Akai, Technics and Sony decks with heads chewed nearly to non-functionality. The service center in Richmond didn't know what they were talking about. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:13 AM, wrote: > I, too, have a Nak that needs a little service, but I live in Virginia and > would prefer someone local. Does anyone know of a decent Nak technician in > the DC-Richmond area? > Many years ago I bought a 1980 Nak 480z from a place in Bethesda, MD, but I > can't recall the name and I doubt they deal with tape decks anymore. The > unit I am using now is a 1995 DR-2 that just needs a basic "tune-up". I > would also be interested in getting my 480z looked at. It wasn't sounding > good, so I took it to a place in Richmond (that I suspect doesn't know much > about tape decks). They told me the head was "old and beyond repair", but I > would like a second opinion on that. > Thanks. > -Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willy Hermann" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:50:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need to get my Cassette Deck One fixed > > > That's what I do. Contact me off NakTalk if your interested. > Willy > www.willyhs.com > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Charles Peterson < > charlesp at sfbrgenetics.org > wrote: > > > Have a number of Naks, some working, some waiting for repair. > > I got this Deck One on eBay a couple years ago, intended for getting the > best playback of existing tapes, mainly for transcription to digital, thanks > to playback azimuth control. Sold as working, of course it didn't work. RW > and FF work but not play, could simply require idler wheel. The deck is not > a mint piece, with scratches on top, but it's not a rustbucket either. IMO > any decent Deck One is worthy of repair and refurb, it was one of the lesser > known greats, now becoming not-so-lesser-known. (I've also got a beautiful > working RX-505 and a still-barely-working-with-bailing-wire-hacks 600 and a > functional but not reversing RX-202 and a soon-to-be-sold > factory-refurbished-in-box TD-500. It's the pending sale of the TD-500 that > has got me motivated to get my Deck One fixed, got to have SOMETHING with > playback azimuth adjustment.) I had hoped to get a Dragon for transcription > purposes, but had back luck (won a rustbucket tape-eater, managed to get > seller to take! > it bac! > k, that and looking at the service manual cured my Dragon itch). > > So now I want to get it fixed, aligned, even limited refurb (replacement of > rubber and most-likely-to-fail caps), but not full rebuild. Good quality > work at moderate cost. > > Where can I get such repair-with-limited-refurb? > > Charles > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at waag.org Sat May 1 10:58:57 2010 From: alex at waag.org (Alex) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:58:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 advice Message-ID: all, There is a lx-3 on ebay I am interested in. But the seller mentions the following issue in germain, which makes me unsure wheter I should by this tape deck. I tryed to translate it in english also: D Das Tape-Deck wurde vor drei Jahren voll funktionsfähig ausgemustert und fristete seither ein zurückgezogenes Dasein auf dem Dachboden. Nach einem aktuellen Funktions-Check habe ich festgestellt, dass der Antrieb schwergängig ist. Bei gewissen Bändern schaltet der Antriebsschutz daher automatisch ab. Vor Inbetriebnahme müssten daher die Antriebswellen gereinigt und neu gefettet werden. Ansonsten alle Funktionen okay!. E The tape deck was fixed to good working order three years ago, and since then lived a reclusive existence in the attic. According to a recent function check, I noticed that the drive is 'sluggish'. By certain cassettes, the drive protection will switch off automatically. Prior to operation, the drive shafts should be cleaned and re-greased. Otherwise all functions okay!. Now I wonder if it really would be the cleaning and re greasing of the drive shafts only. I have donwloadet the service manual on the Wiki, and I guess I am able to do so. But I want to buy that tape deck mainly to play all my old cassettes back and listen to music, instead of figuring out how I could make it work, and spent a lot of time and money to get it operating correctly. Any advice is highly apprechiated. I have a good technical understanding and live in Amsterdam (NL), and the auction ends tommorow 22:00 amsterdam time. Thanks for your time Best, Alex From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun May 2 02:12:09 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Re animating Rechargeable batteries Message-ID: <34947.93929.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Graham, Generally with stubborn NiCad batteries, you use a car battery or a car battery charger to force its voltage into the offending battery(ies), i.e., +to+, -to-. You do it to the point where the battery(ies) starts to get warm(not hot). It 'wakes' up the battery(ies) if you will.;-) However, it's not foolproof because if you leave the same battery(ies) for any length of time, it will probably revert to not holding a change. Only in the case of a newer NiCad battery (one that just failed inexplicably to hold a charge one day, but was still newer), will this method 'restore' it to normal. Message: 1 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:35:13 +0100 From: "Graham @ Google" Subject: [naktalk] OT: Re animating Rechargeable batteries To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I wonder if anyone can remember the advice of Stephan Sank with regard to reanimating Sony DAT rechargeable batteries that will not hold a charge. I think it involved using a P9 battery and contacting the _ and + of it on and off repeatedly with the - and + of the rechargeable battery. I cannot recall what was the optimum number of times or. Anyone? Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun May 2 06:58:56 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 21:58:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The sluggish operation may well be the control belt -- widely available, easily replaced. I generally advise against letting tape gear, whether cassette or reel-to-reel, sit for a prolonged time. Belts, for example, will tend to take on an egg shape. Grease is fine on cams and sliding surfaces. When there is a shaft-and-bushing, use machine oil. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Alex wrote: > all, > There is a lx-3 on ebay I am interested in. But the seller mentions the > following issue in germain, which makes me unsure wheter I should by this > tape deck. I tryed to translate it in english also: > > D > Das Tape-Deck wurde vor drei Jahren voll funktionsfähig ausgemustert und > fristete seither ein zurückgezogenes Dasein auf dem Dachboden. Nach einem > aktuellen Funktions-Check habe ich festgestellt, dass der Antrieb > schwergängig ist. Bei gewissen Bändern schaltet der Antriebsschutz daher > automatisch ab. Vor Inbetriebnahme müssten daher die Antriebswellen > gereinigt und neu gefettet werden. Ansonsten alle Funktionen okay!. > > E > The tape deck was fixed to good working order three years ago, and since > then lived a reclusive existence in the attic. According to a recent > function check, I noticed that the drive is 'sluggish'. By certain > cassettes, the drive protection will switch off automatically. Prior to > operation, the drive shafts should be cleaned and re-greased. Otherwise all > functions okay!. > > > > Now I wonder if it really would be the cleaning and re greasing of the > drive shafts only. I have donwloadet the service manual on the Wiki, and I > guess I am able to do so. But I want to buy that tape deck mainly to play > all my old cassettes back and listen to music, instead of figuring out how I > could make it work, and spent a lot of time and money to get it operating > correctly. > > Any advice is highly apprechiated. I have a good technical understanding > and live in Amsterdam (NL), and the auction ends tommorow 22:00 amsterdam > time. > > Thanks for your time > > Best, > > Alex > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Sun May 2 10:11:48 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (Bernard Boitrel) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 10:11:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 advice Message-ID: <20100502101148.118320k65ywhbs1w@webmail.univ-rennes1.fr> Alex I have seen this auction with the LX3. As I understand the seller message, you will have to change the classic transport idler tire. Not as easy as for the Sankyo one... Good luck bernard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at ymail.com Sun May 2 17:13:11 2010 From: johngipps at ymail.com (John Gipps) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 08:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 advice (Alex) In-Reply-To: <201005021017.o42A896O005164@zxe.naks.com> References: <201005021017.o42A896O005164@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <114163.10487.qm@web113720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Alex Sounds as though it might need a nice big service - it's hard to know what the seller is referring to with "drive protection will switch off" - in my experience most decks sold on ebay (or anywhere else) have never been properly serviced - and this deck sounds as though it needs expert help, some belts, and probably an idler tyre. If all you want to do is play your existing tape collection, something more basic might be wise - maybe a BX series - these sell for almost nothing, and are much simpler to keep running. Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:58:57 +0200 From: Alex Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 advice To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes all, There is a lx-3 on ebay I am interested in. But the seller mentions the following issue in germain, which makes me unsure wheter I should by this tape deck. I tryed to translate it in english also: D Das Tape-Deck wurdevordreiJahrenvollfunktionsfähigausgemustert undfristeteseithereinzurückgezogenesDaseinaufdemDachboden. NacheinemaktuellenFunktions-Check habeichfestgestellt, dassder Antriebschwergängigist. BeigewissenBändernschaltetder Antriebsschutzdaherautomatisch ab. VorInbetriebnahmemüsstendaher die Antriebswellengereinigtundneugefettetwerden. Ansonstenalle Funktionen okay!. E The tape deck was fixed to good working order three years ago, and since then lived a reclusive existence in the attic. According to a recent function check, I noticed that the drive is 'sluggish'. By certain cassettes, the drive protection will switch off automatically. Prior to operation, the drive shafts should be cleaned and re-greased. Otherwise all functions okay!. Now I wonder if it really would be the cleaning and re greasing of the drive shafts only. I have donwloadet the service manual on the Wiki, and I guess I am able to do so. But I want to buy that tape deck mainly to play all my old cassettes back and listen to music, instead of figuring out how I could make it work, and spent a lot of time and money to get it operating correctly. Any advice is highly apprechiated. I have a good technical understanding and live in Amsterdam (NL), and the auction ends tommorow 22:00 amsterdam time. Thanks for your time Best, Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at waag.org Mon May 3 10:35:17 2010 From: alex at waag.org (Alex) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:35:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 advice - Thank you! Message-ID: <1E916B42-8198-450F-8BCB-CD1FF34F9B87@waag.org> Thanks for all your responses, it really helped me to make my decision to not buy it. I wonder, what would a good working lx -3 cost? Thanks again! alex From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon May 3 15:26:27 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 07:26:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: LX-3 Advice In-Reply-To: <1E916B42-8198-450F-8BCB-CD1FF34F9B87@waag.org> References: <1E916B42-8198-450F-8BCB-CD1FF34F9B87@waag.org> Message-ID: I just sold my 2nd one on Ebay for $92 + $21.50 shipping (U.S.). Worth every cent! It was in excellent condition and sounded much like my two LX-5's. My present listings on Ebay include the 610 Control Preamplifier. > From: alex at waag.org > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:35:17 +0200 > Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 advice - Thank you! > > Thanks for all your responses, it really helped me to make my decision > to not buy it. > > I wonder, what would a good working lx -3 cost? > > Thanks again! > > alex > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. 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URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Wed May 5 18:41:45 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 18:41:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pin 2 of Black box Jack Message-ID: <4BE19FC9.7070607@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi everyone What is the use of pin 2 (P-mute) on the black box jack on ZX7 (and on MX-100)? thanks bernard From renecle at manx.net Thu May 6 10:09:12 2010 From: renecle at manx.net (renecle at manx.net) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:09:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-505 wired remote control (RM-15) Message-ID: <20100506090912.CWF17645@manxnetms01.manx.net> Hi Folks Is there anyone out there who knows where I can get a Nak RM-15 wired remote control for my Nakamichi RX-505? I am prepared to pay decent money for one in working order. I don't want one of the wireless conversions. My home email address is renecle at manx.net Regards Dave From renecle at manx.net Thu May 6 11:32:36 2010 From: renecle at manx.net (renecle at manx.net) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:32:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-505 wired remote control (RM-15) Message-ID: <20100506103236.CWF34988@manxnetms01.manx.net> Please note my email address uses the "@" sign i.e. post replies to renecle at manx.net (NOT renecle at manx.net). -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-505 wired remote control (RM-15) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:09:12 +0100 (BST) Size: 4058 URL: From chartz at club-internet.fr Thu May 6 18:49:48 2010 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 18:49:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] bx-125 hum Message-ID: <72060A43-CBC1-4282-811E-86619B7AC991@club-internet.fr> Hello, My BX-125 hums and buzzes badly on one channel. I checked all connections and solders and nothing appears wrong. Couls it be a capacitor problem? There's no hum when there's no sound (blank tape), and hum and buzz come with the music! Jacques Frantz jacques at chartz.fr (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") From chartz at club-internet.fr Fri May 7 07:28:20 2010 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:28:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] bx-125 hum In-Reply-To: <72060A43-CBC1-4282-811E-86619B7AC991@club-internet.fr> References: <72060A43-CBC1-4282-811E-86619B7AC991@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: <5CA83B62-3D91-4602-B6F8-CF695D357E5A@club-internet.fr> Hello again! Thank you for reading this. Well the culprit was the rec/play relay which was stuck on one channel. I should have known; these are often troublesome! Problem solved. Cheers, Jacques (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") From paolocipx at gmail.com Fri May 7 11:08:10 2010 From: paolocipx at gmail.com (Paolo Cipollone) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:08:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX Message-ID: Hi all, about a week ago I received a very nice 680ZX. The transport was completely out of whack, with the addition of a stuck left pinch roller assembly. I managed to free it up by simply boiling it in water for a couple of minutes (I obviously removed the rubber pinch roller itself). After a little lubrication, with the help of my mint and perfectly calibrated CR-7E and Cassette Deck 1 (which are in perfect match, transport-wise, and I never touched them), the 680 was up and running. What works: Playback. The fidelity to the source is up to Nak standards and virtually on par with my CR-7 and Deck 1, but these two are much quieter overall and their noise is 'cleaner' (for lack of a better word). Actually this is what I did: I recorded a tape on the CR-7, Dolby B engaged. I played it back on the 680, very carefully aligning pb head azimuth and then matching to my best playback levels of the original CD and of the 680. The two sources sounded virtually identical, with the exception of a little added noise. Not bad. Actually, I never seem to quite get what the 'Nak tremendous warmth' is all about. I invariably experience 'warmth' on inferior decks related to transient smearing, variations in frequency response, added modulation noise, added wow and flutter and coloration overall. I would say that applies to practically all the decks I've come across in 35 years, the exceptions perhaps being the Revox B-215, the Tandberg 440A and 3004 (not sure about the 3014). What doesn't work: Recording, and I am obviously aware of the 'orange cap disease'. Since a willing tech friend offered for a complete electronic overhaul I am asking the gurus in this forum how they would carry over the restoration. 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We all know that the sight of the original Nakamichi box with an ebay Nakamichi puts a bit onto the price - in this case, the Thorn DCR1 was never supplied in a Nakamichi box - unsurprisingly, it came in a box labeled Thorn DCR1. It's probably just ignorance on the part of this seller, but in the unlikely event that you are bidding on this auction, bear in mind that the box ain't the box, and that a DCR1 is subtly different to a Nakamichi 500, and worth less - they were sold for quite a bit less in Australia than the Nak 500. Regards John Gipps -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dandhsun at gmail.com Thu May 13 14:25:23 2010 From: dandhsun at gmail.com (Daniel Sun) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 20:25:23 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode Message-ID: Hello! After around a year after I bought from ebay, the ZX-9 would stop from recording all of a sudden and would not engage in play mode. After several power on and off it played and recorded again, occasionally after pressing the stop button from play mode, the machine would present a "thud" sound. Is this typical "squeaking" noise caused by the cam shaft gear which needs re-oiling? If yes what type of oil is needed? Thank you. Rgds, Daniel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 13 20:18:22 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <831475.82980.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Or you might need a new cam belt in addition to the lubrication. Ram --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Daniel Sun wrote: From: Daniel Sun Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 8:25 AM Hello! After around a year after I bought from ebay, the ZX-9 would stop from recording all of a sudden and would not engage in play mode. After several power on and off it played and recorded again, occasionally after pressing the stop button from play mode, the machine would present a "thud" sound. Is this typical "squeaking" noise caused by the cam shaft gear which needs re-oiling? If yes what type of oil is needed? Thank you.   Rgds, Daniel -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Thu May 13 22:13:56 2010 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 23:13:56 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Message-ID: <4BEC5D84.2030808@ttmail.com> Hello, My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. Is this a sort of mechanic failure or a sign for the idler tyre worn? Regards, Ural Durusu From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri May 14 00:11:43 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:11:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. In-Reply-To: <4BEC5D84.2030808@ttmail.com> References: <4BEC5D84.2030808@ttmail.com> Message-ID: Yes. When the idler tire begins to glaze it will not keep correct contact with the reel hubs. That chattering is a common first sign. Willy 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu > Hello, > My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. > Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached > to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and > 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the > reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring > or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. > Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. Is > this a sort of mechanic failure or a sign for the idler tyre worn? > > Regards, > Ural Durusu > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the rest works fine Thanks Konstantin From dandhsun at gmail.com Fri May 14 10:00:20 2010 From: dandhsun at gmail.com (Daniel Sun) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:00:20 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode In-Reply-To: <831475.82980.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <831475.82980.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip, Ram. I will look into it. Rgds, Daniel On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:18 AM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Or you might need a new cam belt in addition to the lubrication. > Ram > > --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Daniel Sun * wrote: > > > From: Daniel Sun > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 stops in play/rec mode > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 8:25 AM > > > Hello! After around a year after I bought from ebay, the ZX-9 would stop > from recording all of a sudden and would not engage in play mode. After > several power on and off it played and recorded again, occasionally after > pressing the stop button from play mode, the machine would present a "thud" > sound. Is this typical "squeaking" noise caused by the cam shaft gear which > needs re-oiling? 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It powers on in RECORD PAUSE mode if there is a tape with no record protection removed. If I do not do anything, the deck starts the tape recording in few seconds. It powers on into the stop mode (I thinks it drops into stop mode) if there is no tape or the tape is record protected. Is it a common problem? All the rest works fine Thanks Konstantin ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It powers on > into the stop mode (I thinks it drops into stop mode) if there is no tape > or > the tape is record protected. > > Is it a common problem? > > All the rest works fine > > Thanks > > Konstantin > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It powers on into the stop mode (I thinks it drops into stop mode) if there is no tape or the tape is record protected. Is it a common problem? All the rest works fine Thanks Konstantin ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com Fri May 14 18:16:42 2010 From: naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com (naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:16:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 starts recording when powered on In-Reply-To: <198623.44877.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1dd501caf380$d76bf360$2c9be8a9@bkv> Thanks Scott! Which switch are you talking about? Konstantin -----Original Message----- From: Scott Johnson - p9019 at yahoo.com [mailto:+naktalk+bkv+1416e97981.p9019#yahoo.com at spamgourmet.com] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-125 starts recording when powered on message 4 of 20) Yeah, I saw that on near 50% of the MR-1's I went through. Spray contact cleaner into the switch and then move the switch back and forth 20 + times. As a more permant solution I run a jumper wire on the back of the switch (forgot which pins) to basically disable Power-Up Record. If I remember correctly the Power-Up Record mode is selected when one of the signal is floating and connected to ground when you select Off. When the switches are dirty the signal floats. I wish Nakamichi had inverted this signal so float is Off and connected to ground is Power-Up Record From: "naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 3:54:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 starts recording when powered on Hi all: I have a strange problem with my BX-125. It powers on in RECORD PAUSE mode if there is a tape with no record protection removed. If I do not do anything, the deck starts the tape recording in few seconds. It powers on into the stop mode (I thinks it drops into stop mode) if there is no tape or the tape is record protected. Is it a common problem? All the rest works fine Thanks Konstantin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com Fri May 14 19:22:38 2010 From: naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com (naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 10:22:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 starts recording when powered on In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1ddb01caf38a$0d831010$2c9be8a9@bkv> Will: Thanks a lot. That switch was actually in Play position. That got me puzzled. I wiggled the switch back and forth and put into Off. The deck starts in Off now. That solves the big problem for me! I checked what will happen if I put it in Play, and the deck starts in Record as before. Konstantin -----Original Message----- From: Willy Hermann - willy at willyhermannservices.com [mailto:+naktalk+bkv+584bf518e3.willy#willyhermannservices.com at spamgourmet.c om] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-125 starts recording when powered on message 5 of 20) You'll find a switch on the face labeled "timer start" and selections for "off", "play" and "record". The switch is in the "record" position. Turn it off. I wonder how many user's tapes have blank spots in them because of that switch! And how many people actually set a timer to record something off the radio? Willy On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:54 PM, wrote: Hi all: I have a strange problem with my BX-125. It powers on in RECORD PAUSE mode if there is a tape with no record protection removed. If I do not do anything, the deck starts the tape recording in few seconds. It powers on into the stop mode (I thinks it drops into stop mode) if there is no tape or the tape is record protected. Is it a common problem? All the rest works fine Thanks Konstantin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mfallon at windstream.net Fri May 14 20:11:23 2010 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:11:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Last chance Gently used cassettes Message-ID: <380-220105514181123791@M2W127.mail2web.com> Hi folks Just counted up everything and, unless one of my Deadhead buddies yields to my requests, this is the last batch of high quality tapes I have to sell. I am keeping a few tapes for sentimental reasons but they too may go if i decide to sell the BX300. For now, though, I have 7 Maxell XLII-S 90 8 Maxell XLII-S 100 1 Maxell MX 110 4 misc Hi Bias 90s(Memorex/BASF) 7 misc normal bias 90s (JVC/Fuji/TDK/Sony) I am going to ask $40 (includes postage). The Maxell XLII-S tapes are extinct, I reckon. Anyway, if you are interested, drop a line, make an offer and I'll get back to you. thx Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From ronami at yahoo.com Sat May 15 00:36:50 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. In-Reply-To: References: <4BEC5D84.2030808@ttmail.com> Message-ID: <510713.51447.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or helps just for a while, replace the idler tire. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu Hello, >>My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. Is this a sort of mechanic failure or a sign for the idler tyre worn? > >>Regards, >>Ural Durusu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It looks like the supply roller/guide misalignment, but the free play on the roller axle looks too loose for me so that any alignment to be considered. Is there a replacemnt part for this? Where can I rent an alignmnet tape/device to align it? Second question is simple - what kind of fluid is used in the cassette door damper? Mine is dry. Thanks Konstantin From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Sat May 15 09:25:33 2010 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (uraldurusu) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:25:33 +0300 Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. References: <4BEC5D84.2030808@ttmail.com> <510713.51447.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171528@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side both of the hub surfaces is textured to increase the friction so there is no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette now the problem is disappeared. Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the necessary performance. Regards Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or helps just for a while, replace the idler tire. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu Hello, My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. Is this a sort of mechanic failure or a sign for the idler tyre worn? Regards, Ural Durusu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5645 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat May 15 18:02:44 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. In-Reply-To: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171528@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> References: <4BEC5D84.2030808@ttmail.com> <510713.51447.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171528@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <217831.2415.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > ... there is no glazing on the hub But dirt from a worn idler can lubricate the contact surfaces. Personally, I feel that trying to modify the transport (increasing pressure, etc.) is not a good idea, even if it seems to solve the problem. Sankyo engineers knew exactly what they were doing. I would just replace the tire. Good luck, -- Ron From: uraldurusu To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 3:25:33 AM Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side both of the hub surfaces is textured to increase the friction so there is no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette now the problem is disappeared. Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the necessary performance. Regards Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or helps just for a while, replace the idler tire. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu Hello, My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. Is this a sort of mechanic failure or a sign for the idler tyre worn? Regards, Ural Durusu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat May 15 18:50:03 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:50:03 -0700 Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. In-Reply-To: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171528@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> References: <4BEC5D84.2030808@ttmail.com> <510713.51447.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171528@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> Message-ID: I normally resurface the idler tire with #1000 sandpaper held in a pair of hemostats. I rotate the tire with a small wooden stick so that the sanding process is done as evenly as possible. Then I treat the surface of the tire with rubber rejuvenator. It's important to wipe off all the rejuvenator when the treatment is done. I don't use alcohol. I just wipe it off. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * 2010/5/15 uraldurusu > Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side > both of the hub surfaces is textured to increase the friction so there is > no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed > at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape > during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was > no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put > the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that > the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering > occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem > disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding > springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette > now the problem is disappeared. > > Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the > tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the > necessary performance. > > Regards > Ural > > ________________________________ > > Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron > Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 > Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. > > > > Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub > mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or > helps just for a while, replace the idler > tire. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu > > > Hello, > My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. > Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached > to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and > 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the > reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring > or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. > Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. Is > this a sort of mechanic failure or a sign for the idler tyre worn? > > Regards, > Ural Durusu > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chartz at club-internet.fr Sat May 15 11:03:59 2010 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:03:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 chewing tapes + damper fluid question In-Reply-To: <1de401caf3a8$28589630$2c9be8a9@bkv> References: <1de401caf3a8$28589630$2c9be8a9@bkv> Message-ID: <95B5464A-067B-4338-B332-ACCFFB1DBCA4@club-internet.fr> Hi, I too would like to know how to fix the cassette damper! Sometimes it will take ages to get opened, and sometimes it just jumps open! Jacques Frantz jacques at chartz.fr (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat May 15 21:40:38 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:40:38 -0600 Subject: FW: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. In-Reply-To: References: <4BEC5D84.2030808@ttmail.com>, , <510713.51447.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171528@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL>, Message-ID: Great answer Fred! The rest of the guys were only mentioning 'cleaning' so I was wondering what they were using. Ill try your method, since in the past I've been cleaning with distilled water, Formula 409 (with distilled water rinse), and Rubber Renew. Lately I've been finishing up selling the 600 series components on Ebay. The 600 'rack only' is presently listed. One fella is looking for the bridging adapter. I assume he'll pay a good price if perhaps any member has one for sale. Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:50:03 -0700 Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com I normally resurface the idler tire with #1000 sandpaper held in a pair of hemostats. I rotate the tire with a small wooden stick so that the sanding process is done as evenly as possible. Then I treat the surface of the tire with rubber rejuvenator. It's important to wipe off all the rejuvenator when the treatment is done. I don't use alcohol. I just wipe it off. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * 2010/5/15 uraldurusu Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side both of the hub surfaces is textured to increase the friction so there is no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette now the problem is disappeared. Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the necessary performance. Regards Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or helps just for a while, replace the idler tire. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu Hello, My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. Is this a sort of mechanic failure or a sign for the idler tyre worn? Regards, Ural Durusu ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. 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I'd prefer to leave the hemostats in the operating room! :)) Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 5/15/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:50 PM I normally resurface the idler tire with #1000 sandpaper held in a pair of hemostats. I rotate the tire with a small wooden stick so that the sanding process is done as evenly as possible. Then I treat the surface of the tire with rubber rejuvenator. It's important to wipe off all the rejuvenator when the treatment is done. I don't use alcohol. I just wipe it off. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * 2010/5/15 uraldurusu Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side both of the hub surfaces is  textured to increase the friction so there is no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette now the problem is disappeared. Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the necessary performance. Regards Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or helps just for a while, replace the idler tire. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu        Hello,        My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. Is this a sort of mechanic failure or a sign for the idler tyre worn?        Regards,        Ural Durusu ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Sun May 16 03:16:20 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 18:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. In-Reply-To: <58093.76894.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <124644.63557.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ram and Fred ; I use a long narrow emery board that that costs $1.99 a 10 pack from the local drug store on my LX 3. I just maneuver it down from the top, scrub off the tire lightly till the emery board has a small black mark on it by running the ff and rew and clean it up with a little isopropyl alcohol and its done. Pretty easy and quick.      Thomas --- On Sat, 5/15/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 5:55 PM Fred, With so many good idlers' available these days on ebay, why bother resurfacing. Its more prudent to replace the idler tire and be worry free for 5 years or so more( in terms of the Sankyo transport) Moreover, replacing the idler tire can be done by a clutz like me on the Sankyo trasports. I'd prefer to leave the hemostats in the operating room! :)) Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 5/15/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:50 PM I normally resurface the idler tire with #1000 sandpaper held in a pair of hemostats. I rotate the tire with a small wooden stick so that the sanding process is done as evenly as possible. Then I treat the surface of the tire with rubber rejuvenator. It's important to wipe off all the rejuvenator when the treatment is done. I don't use alcohol. I just wipe it off. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * 2010/5/15 uraldurusu Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side both of the hub surfaces is  textured to increase the friction so there is no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette now the problem is disappeared. Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the necessary performance. Regards Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or helps just for a while, replace the idler tire. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu        Hello,        My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. Is this a sort of mechanic failure or a sign for the idler tyre worn?        Regards,        Ural Durusu ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun May 16 16:21:43 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 07:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. In-Reply-To: <124644.63557.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <357245.44345.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thomas, Alcohol on rubber is "BAD"......It dehydrates the rubber and causes brittleness ultimately causing the rubber to fragment and shred and shed. Ram --- On Sat, 5/15/10, thomas wrote: From: thomas Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:16 PM Hi Ram and Fred ; I use a long narrow emery board that that costs $1.99 a 10 pack from the local drug store on my LX 3. I just maneuver it down from the top, scrub off the tire lightly till the emery board has a small black mark on it by running the ff and rew and clean it up with a little isopropyl alcohol and its done. Pretty easy and quick.      Thomas --- On Sat, 5/15/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 5:55 PM Fred, With so many good idlers' available these days on ebay, why bother resurfacing. Its more prudent to replace the idler tire and be worry free for 5 years or so more( in terms of the Sankyo transport) Moreover, replacing the idler tire can be done by a clutz like me on the Sankyo trasports. I'd prefer to leave the hemostats in the operating room! :)) Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 5/15/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:50 PM I normally resurface the idler tire with #1000 sandpaper held in a pair of hemostats. I rotate the tire with a small wooden stick so that the sanding process is done as evenly as possible. Then I treat the surface of the tire with rubber rejuvenator. It's important to wipe off all the rejuvenator when the treatment is done. I don't use alcohol. I just wipe it off. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * 2010/5/15 uraldurusu Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side both of the hub surfaces is  textured to increase the friction so there is no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette now the problem is disappeared. Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the necessary performance. Regards Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or helps just for a while, replace the idler tire. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu        Hello,        My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. 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URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Mon May 17 12:42:44 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:42:44 +1200 Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. References: <357245.44345.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <085F9567C70B40E58E90B98CAC591906@desktop> Ram, Isopropyl Alcohol is fine on rubber, .....that horse has been flogged so many times I thought it was dead.... Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 2:21 AM Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Thomas, Alcohol on rubber is "BAD"......It dehydrates the rubber and causes brittleness ultimately causing the rubber to fragment and shred and shed. Ram --- On Sat, 5/15/10, thomas wrote: From: thomas Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:16 PM Hi Ram and Fred ; I use a long narrow emery board that that costs $1.99 a 10 pack from the local drug store on my LX 3. I just maneuver it down from the top, scrub off the tire lightly till the emery board has a small black mark on it by running the ff and rew and clean it up with a little isopropyl alcohol and its done. Pretty easy and quick. Thomas --- On Sat, 5/15/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 5:55 PM Fred, With so many good idlers' available these days on ebay, why bother resurfacing. Its more prudent to replace the idler tire and be worry free for 5 years or so more( in terms of the Sankyo transport) Moreover, replacing the idler tire can be done by a clutz like me on the Sankyo trasports. I'd prefer to leave the hemostats in the operating room! :)) Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 5/15/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:50 PM I normally resurface the idler tire with #1000 sandpaper held in a pair of hemostats. I rotate the tire with a small wooden stick so that the sanding process is done as evenly as possible. Then I treat the surface of the tire with rubber rejuvenator. It's important to wipe off all the rejuvenator when the treatment is done. I don't use alcohol. I just wipe it off. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * 2010/5/15 uraldurusu Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side both of the hub surfaces is textured to increase the friction so there is no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette now the problem is disappeared. Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the necessary performance. Regards Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or helps just for a while, replace the idler tire. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu Hello, My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. 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Ram,   Isopropyl Alcohol is fine on rubber, .....that horse has been flogged so many times I thought it was dead....   Martin   ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran >To: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 2:21 AM >Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. > > >Thomas, > >Alcohol on rubber is "BAD"......It dehydrates the rubber and causes brittleness ultimately causing the rubber to fragment and shred and shed. > >Ram > >--- On Sat, 5/15/10, thomas wrote: > > >>From: thomas >>Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:16 PM >> >> >>Hi Ram and Fred ; I use a long narrow emery board that that costs $1.99 a 10 pack from the local drug store on my LX 3. I just maneuver it down from the top, scrub off the tire lightly till the emery board has a small black mark on it by running the ff and rew and clean it up with a little isopropyl alcohol and its done. Pretty easy and quick.      Thomas >> >>--- On Sat, 5/15/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: >> >> >>>From: shanti ramachandran >>>Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 5:55 PM >>> >>> >>>Fred, >>> >>>With so many good idlers' available these days on ebay, why bother resurfacing. Its more prudent to replace the idler tire and be worry free for 5 years or so more( in terms of the Sankyo transport) >>> >>>Moreover, replacing the idler tire can be done by a clutz like me on the Sankyo trasports. >>> >>>I'd prefer to leave the hemostats in the operating room! :)) >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Ram >>> >>>--- On Sat, 5/15/10, Fred Longworth wrote: >>> >>> >>>>From: Fred Longworth >>>>Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. >>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>>Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:50 PM >>>> >>>> >>>>I normally resurface the idler tire with #1000 sandpaper held in a pair of hemostats. I rotate the tire with a small wooden stick so that the sanding process is done as evenly as possible. Then I treat the surface of the tire with rubber rejuvenator. It's important to wipe off all the rejuvenator when the treatment is done. I don't use alcohol. I just wipe it off. >>>> >>>>http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps >>>> >>>>Fred >>>>Classic Audio Repair >>>>www.repairaudio.com >>>> >>>>* * * * * >>>> >>>> >>>>2010/5/15 uraldurusu >>>> >>>>Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side both of the hub surfaces is  textured to increase the friction so there is no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette now the problem is disappeared. >>>>> >>>>>Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the necessary performance. >>>>> >>>>>Regards >>>>>Ural >>>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron >>>>>Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 >>>>>Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub >>>>>mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or >>>>>helps just for a while, replace the idler >>>>>tire. >>>>> >>>>>Good luck, >>>>> >>>>>-- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>2010/5/13 Ural Durusu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>       Hello, >>>>>       My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. 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Please excuse typos. -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Morgan" Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 16:33:21 To: Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL - External Dolby Options ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 17 22:41:30 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. In-Reply-To: <609399.25065.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <254951.98690.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Martin and Jayson, I was actually quoting what Jeff Galin told me after my 680ZX was restored to"better than new condition" by his team at ESL a couple of years ago. May be this topic has been beaten to death in the forum. Lets not dwell on this again. Ram --- On Mon, 5/17/10, jayson levitz wrote: From: jayson levitz Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 8:57 AM Martin,   Ram is right, and the Nak experts at ESL agree.  Isopropyl alcohol is bad for rubber.  It will eventually destroy your pinch rollers and idler tire.    Jayson From: Martin Short To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 6:42:44 AM Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem.  Ram,   Isopropyl Alcohol is fine on rubber, .....that horse has been flogged so many times I thought it was dead....   Martin     ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 2:21 AM Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Thomas, Alcohol on rubber is "BAD"......It dehydrates the rubber and causes brittleness ultimately causing the rubber to fragment and shred and shed. Ram --- On Sat, 5/15/10, thomas wrote: From: thomas Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:16 PM Hi Ram and Fred ; I use a long narrow emery board that that costs $1.99 a 10 pack from the local drug store on my LX 3. I just maneuver it down from the top, scrub off the tire lightly till the emery board has a small black mark on it by running the ff and rew and clean it up with a little isopropyl alcohol and its done. Pretty easy and quick.      Thomas --- On Sat, 5/15/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 5:55 PM Fred, With so many good idlers' available these days on ebay, why bother resurfacing. Its more prudent to replace the idler tire and be worry free for 5 years or so more( in terms of the Sankyo transport) Moreover, replacing the idler tire can be done by a clutz like me on the Sankyo trasports. I'd prefer to leave the hemostats in the operating room! :)) Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 5/15/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:50 PM I normally resurface the idler tire with #1000 sandpaper held in a pair of hemostats. I rotate the tire with a small wooden stick so that the sanding process is done as evenly as possible. Then I treat the surface of the tire with rubber rejuvenator. It's important to wipe off all the rejuvenator when the treatment is done. I don't use alcohol. I just wipe it off. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * 2010/5/15 uraldurusu Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side both of the hub surfaces is  textured to increase the friction so there is no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette now the problem is disappeared. Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the necessary performance. Regards Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or helps just for a while, replace the idler tire. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu        Hello,        My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 18 01:29:49 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck In-Reply-To: <72E356E17D624323B4086BBF189D38D6@prive.local> Message-ID: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Norman, Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM Hi Guys,   I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of oxidation from leaking. 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URL: From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Tue May 18 09:24:25 2010 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (uraldurusu) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24:25 +0300 Subject: YNT: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171529@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> Hello to every one I remember that I ve read here the serial number for CR 7,it was said that after tahat serial the CR7s have eq updated and and gear upgraded. What was the serial is there anyone who remembers this? Regards. Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: shanti ramachandran Gönderilmiş: Sal 18.05.2010 02:29 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck Hi Norman, Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM Hi Guys, I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of oxidation from leaking. So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. 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Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5571 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Tue May 18 11:21:02 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:21:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck In-Reply-To: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BF25BFE.5070003@univ-rennes1.fr> Norman Ram, This point has been discussed briefly last year. How would you take the battery off? If I remember well, the battery is soldered on a support, itself soldered on the main board. Thanks Bernard shanti ramachandran a écrit : > Hi Norman, > > Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off > the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? > > Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a > tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? > > Thanks > Ram > > > --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen //* > wrote: > > > From: Norman van Wijnen > Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM > > Hi Guys, > > I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of > oxidation from leaking. > So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. > > Regards Norman > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From davidt124 at internode.on.net Tue May 18 12:09:59 2010 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:09:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 530/582 Message-ID: A seller in Sydney has relisted a Receiver 530 and Deck 582 for AU$999. They are supposed to be in mint condition. The descriptions are somewhat garbled. Any suggestions on their real value? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250634439202&ssPageNam e=ADME:B:WNARL:AU:1123#ht_3482wt_1039 David From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue May 18 14:01:53 2010 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 14:01:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck In-Reply-To: <4BF25BFE.5070003@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BF25BFE.5070003@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <2790.145.44.29.96.1274184113.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Bernard, You are right, the battery is soldered inside , so you have to desolder and solder a new one in place. You can use Desoldering Braid to desolder. Sorry , i did not see the discussion about this point last year. Regards Norman Op Di, 18 mei, 2010 11:21 am schreef boitrel: > Norman Ram, > > > This point has been discussed briefly last year. > How would you take the battery off? If I remember well, the battery is > soldered on a support, itself soldered on the main board. > > Thanks > Bernard > > > shanti ramachandran a écrit : >> Hi Norman, >> >> >> Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off >> the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? >> >> Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a >> tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? >> >> Thanks >> Ram >> >> >> >> --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen //* >> wrote: >> >> >> >> From: Norman van Wijnen >> Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM >> >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> >> I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of >> oxidation from leaking. So consider to check your deck and replace this >> battery if necessary. >> >> Regards Norman >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> == >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> == >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 18 15:01:20 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 06:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck In-Reply-To: <4BF25BFE.5070003@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <1141.97162.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 5/18/10, boitrel wrote: From: boitrel Subject: Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:21 AM Norman Ram, This point has been discussed briefly last year. How would you take the battery off? If I remember well, the battery is soldered on a support, itself soldered on the main board. Thanks Bernard shanti ramachandran a écrit : > Hi Norman, > > Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? > > Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? > > Thanks > Ram > > > --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen //* wrote: > > >     From: Norman van Wijnen >     Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >     To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >     Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM > >     Hi Guys, >          I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of >     oxidation from leaking. >     So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. >          Regards Norman > >     -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >     ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >               Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >     ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                             Naktalk at naks.com >      mailinglist >     Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >     ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 18 15:02:44 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 06:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck In-Reply-To: <4BF25BFE.5070003@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <302602.24889.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've gotta open the deck to check the battery and its soldering a stated by you. Willy, can you elaborate on this one please? Ram --- On Tue, 5/18/10, boitrel wrote: From: boitrel Subject: Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:21 AM Norman Ram, This point has been discussed briefly last year. How would you take the battery off? If I remember well, the battery is soldered on a support, itself soldered on the main board. Thanks Bernard shanti ramachandran a écrit : > Hi Norman, > > Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? > > Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? > > Thanks > Ram > > > --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen //* wrote: > > >     From: Norman van Wijnen >     Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >     To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >     Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM > >     Hi Guys, >          I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of >     oxidation from leaking. >     So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. >          Regards Norman > >     -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >     ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >               Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >     ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                             Naktalk at naks.com >      mailinglist >     Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >     ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue May 18 16:45:39 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 07:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. In-Reply-To: <609399.25065.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <357245.44345.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <085F9567C70B40E58E90B98CAC591906@desktop> <609399.25065.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <676891.2976.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is a case where both sides are right :-). It's true that if you dunk rubber in Isopropyl alcohol for an extended time, the alcohol will ruin the rubber. OTOH, if you clean a rubber part with a cloth or Q-tip dampaned with alcohol, then, IME, the damage, if any, is infinitesimal. I have been doing that (including on my own decks) for many years and have yet to see any damage. I sold my 582 after 17 years of cleaning (well over a 100 times) with the original pinch rollers intact. In stubborn cases, I have even used MEK (a far, far more aggressive solvent). It's great on metal parts but is the kiss of death to rubber. Still, no semi-long-term (years) effect. Of course, I do use it judiciously (not to mention, very carefully - the fumes are deadly to humans). -- Ron ________________________________ From: jayson levitz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 8:57:47 AM Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. Martin, Ram is right, and the Nak experts at ESL agree. Isopropyl alcohol is bad for rubber. It will eventually destroy your pinch rollers and idler tire. Jayson ________________________________ From: Martin Short To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 6:42:44 AM Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem.  Ram, Isopropyl Alcohol is fine on rubber, .....that horse has been flogged so many times I thought it was dead.... Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran >To: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 2:21 AM >Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. > > >Thomas, > >Alcohol on rubber is "BAD"......It dehydrates the rubber and causes brittleness ultimately causing the rubber to fragment and shred and shed. > >Ram > >--- On Sat, 5/15/10, thomas wrote: > > >>From: thomas >>Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:16 PM >> >> >>Hi Ram and Fred ; I use a long narrow emery board that that costs $1.99 a 10 pack from the local drug store on my LX 3. I just maneuver it down from the top, scrub off the tire lightly till the emery board has a small black mark on it by running the ff and rew and clean it up with a little isopropyl alcohol and its done. Pretty easy and quick. Thomas >> >>--- On Sat, 5/15/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: >> >> >>>From: shanti ramachandran >>>Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 5:55 PM >>> >>> >>>Fred, >>> >>>With so many good idlers' available these days on ebay, why bother resurfacing. Its more prudent to replace the idler tire and be worry free for 5 years or so more( in terms of the Sankyo transport) >>> >>>Moreover, replacing the idler tire can be done by a clutz like me on the Sankyo trasports. >>> >>>I'd prefer to leave the hemostats in the operating room! :)) >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Ram >>> >>>--- On Sat, 5/15/10, Fred Longworth wrote: >>> >>> >>>>From: Fred Longworth >>>>Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. >>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>>Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:50 PM >>>> >>>> >>>>I normally resurface the idler tire with #1000 sandpaper held in a pair of hemostats. I rotate the tire with a small wooden stick so that the sanding process is done as evenly as possible. Then I treat the surface of the tire with rubber rejuvenator. It's important to wipe off all the rejuvenator when the treatment is done. I don't use alcohol. I just wipe it off. >>>> >>>>http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps >>>> >>>>Fred >>>>Classic Audio Repair >>>>www.repairaudio.com >>>> >>>>* * * * * >>>> >>>> >>>>2010/5/15 uraldurusu >>>> >>>>Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side both of the hub surfaces is textured to increase the friction so there is no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette now the >>>>> problem is disappeared. >>>>> >>>>>Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the necessary performance. >>>>> >>>>>Regards >>>>>Ural >>>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron >>>>>Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 >>>>>Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub >>>>>mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or >>>>>helps just for a while, replace the idler >>>>>tire. >>>>> >>>>>Good luck, >>>>> >>>>>-- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>2010/5/13 Ural Durusu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. Nowadays I have >>>>> problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. Is this a sort of mechanic failure or a sign for the idler tyre worn? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ural Durusu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue May 18 16:59:49 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 07:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck In-Reply-To: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <927006.5702.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> There is a reason the battery is there. Also, note Nakamichi saw fit to solder it in place, rather than use a holder. It should last 15 to 20 years. IOW, the battery is a non issue. If it turns green (or just dies), just clean and replace. -- Ron ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 7:29:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck Hi Norman, Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? 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I think another MR2 maybe a MR1 but same style anyway. I would ideally like to sell all as one lot. But I would be willing to sell individual decks. At this time I do not want to part the decks out but if there is no interest here or on eBay I will reconsider that. I am offering these decks to the list first. But will be posting them on eBay soon. All decks are assumed to be non working. But "appear" to be relatively complete. I think one is missing the tape door cover. Anyone interested please email me and I will gladly send you photos of the decks. Thanks Dave Meyers Overkill audio inc. overkillaudioinc at gmail.com From footsurg at hotmail.com Tue May 18 17:37:31 2010 From: footsurg at hotmail.com (Mark Margiotta) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:37:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade In-Reply-To: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171529@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171529@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> Message-ID: The golden serial number for the Eq upgrade is A130-08677. Any CR-7A with a serial number higher than 8677 has the Eq upgrade already installed by Nakamichi. My CR-7A serial number is around 7600, so I spent a lot of time using it without the Eq upgrade. A few months ago I installed and burned in the Eq upgrade, and I have to say that this is a very worthwhile upgrade. The high frequencies improved markedly, and everything I have recorded since the upgrade sounds much more natural and resolved. Its a huge difference. I only use pre 1990 Metal bias cassettes from TDK and Maxell. The upgrade was not too hard for me to do, but I have quite a bit of formal electronics training. The Nakamichi Bulletin that shows you how to do the upgrade is NR-0056. I bought all my caps and resistors from DigiKey. I still have enough parts left over from my order to upgrade the Eq circuit on 4 more CR-7's if anyone is interested. As far as the white plastic idler gear upgrade from the rubber tire on the CR-7A, that was done starting with SN A130-10500. Mark Subject: YNT: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24:25 +0300 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Hello to every one I remember that I ve read here the serial number for CR 7,it was said that after tahat serial the CR7s have eq updated and and gear upgraded. What was the serial is there anyone who remembers this? Regards. Ural Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: shanti ramachandran Gönderilmiş: Sal 18.05.2010 02:29 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck Hi Norman, Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM Hi Guys, I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of oxidation from leaking. So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue May 18 20:31:58 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:31:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck In-Reply-To: <4BF25BFE.5070003@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BF25BFE.5070003@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: It's actually welded to the support and should be changed with a battery which also had the support tabs on it. It's a solder in but easy to get to since the board flips up. Willy On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:21 AM, boitrel wrote: > Norman Ram, > > This point has been discussed briefly last year. > How would you take the battery off? If I remember well, the battery is > soldered on a support, itself soldered on the main board. > > Thanks > Bernard > > shanti ramachandran a écrit : > >> Hi Norman, >> >> Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the >> deck at all times to prevent such greenery? >> >> Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape >> type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? >> >> Thanks >> Ram >> >> >> --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen //* >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Norman van Wijnen >> Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM >> >> Hi Guys, >> I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of >> oxidation from leaking. >> So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. >> Regards Norman >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck It's actually welded to the support and should be changed with a battery which also had the support tabs on it. It's a solder in but easy to get to since the board flips up. Willy On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:21 AM, boitrel wrote: Norman Ram, This point has been discussed briefly last year. How would you take the battery off? If I remember well, the battery is soldered on a support, itself soldered on the main board. Thanks Bernard shanti ramachandran a écrit : Hi Norman, Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? Thanks Ram --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen //* wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM Hi Guys, I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of oxidation from leaking. So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue May 18 21:35:10 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Scrap deck photos finally! In-Reply-To: <8F82866E810A434EB23C8AE2352E8EFF@fujitsu> References: <8F82866E810A434EB23C8AE2352E8EFF@fujitsu> Message-ID: <836930.13035.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dave, if the 3rd deck is, indeed, an MR-1 (not MR-2) and is complete with door and stuff, I would be interested. How much do you want for it and where are you located (zip)? Regards, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Dave Meyers To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:32:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Scrap deck photos finally! I finally got photos taken of the 3 scrap decks I have available for sale. I have 1-MR2 1-BX125 and I can't remember what the 3rd is. I think another MR2 maybe a MR1 but same style anyway. I would ideally like to sell all as one lot. But I would be willing to sell individual decks. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue May 18 21:43:14 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171529@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <374245.60544.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark. Two comments: first, there is nothing to 'burn in' after performing the modification. Second, it's a good idea to re-calibrate the deck after the mod, because it affects overall response. Finally: I wholeheartedly agree that the mod is sonically worthwhile. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Mark Margiotta To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:37:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade The golden serial number for the Eq upgrade is A130-08677. Any CR-7A with a serial number higher than 8677 has the Eq upgrade already installed by Nakamichi. My CR-7A serial number is around 7600, so I spent a lot of time using it without the Eq upgrade. A few months ago I installed and burned in the Eq upgrade, and I have to say that this is a very worthwhile upgrade. The high frequencies improved markedly, and everything I have recorded since the upgrade sounds much more natural and resolved. Its a huge difference. I only use pre 1990 Metal bias cassettes from TDK and Maxell. The upgrade was not too hard for me to do, but I have quite a bit of formal electronics training. The Nakamichi Bulletin that shows you how to do the upgrade is NR-0056. I bought all my caps and resistors from DigiKey. I still have enough parts left over from my order to upgrade the Eq circuit on 4 more CR-7's if anyone is interested. As far as the white plastic idler gear upgrade from the rubber tire on the CR-7A, that was done starting with SN A130-10500. Mark ________________________________ Subject: YNT: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24:25 +0300 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Hello to every one I remember that I ve read here the serial number for CR 7,it was said that after tahat serial the CR7s have eq updated and and gear upgraded. What was the serial is there anyone who remembers this? Regards. Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: shanti ramachandran Gönderilmiş: Sal 18.05.2010 02:29 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck Hi Norman, Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: >From: Norman van Wijnen >Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM > > > > >Hi Guys, > >I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of oxidation from leaking. >So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. > >Regards Norman >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Tue May 18 23:53:24 2010 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 00:53:24 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171529@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <4BF30C54.7070206@ttmail.com> Mark, is there any difference in between the CR7, CR7A and CR7E for the serial number vise? Is this number valid only for the CR7A group or common for all CR7 types? I mean if a CR7 (having adjustable voltage selector for both 110-220V) has a serial number below 8677 this means it has not eq upgraded is it? Ural 18.05.2010 18:37, Mark Margiotta yazm?ş: > > The golden serial number for the Eq upgrade is A130-08677. Any CR-7A > with a serial number higher than 8677 has the Eq upgrade already > installed by Nakamichi. My CR-7A serial number is around 7600, so I > spent a lot of time using it without the Eq upgrade. A few months ago > I installed and burned in the Eq upgrade, and I have to say that this > is a very worthwhile upgrade. The high frequencies improved markedly, > and everything I have recorded since the upgrade sounds much more > natural and resolved. Its a huge difference. I only use pre 1990 > Metal bias cassettes from TDK and Maxell. The upgrade was not too > hard for me to do, but I have quite a bit of formal electronics > training. The Nakamichi Bulletin that shows you how to do the upgrade > is NR-0056. I bought all my caps and resistors from DigiKey. I still > have enough parts left over from my order to upgrade the Eq circuit > on 4 more CR-7's if anyone is interested. > > As far as the white plastic idler gear upgrade from the rubber tire on > the CR-7A, that was done starting with SN A130-10500. > > Mark > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: YNT: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24:25 +0300 > From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Hello to every one I remember that I ve read here the serial number > for CR 7,it was said that after tahat serial the CR7s have eq updated > and and gear upgraded. What was the serial is there anyone who > remembers this? > Regards. > Ural > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Kimden:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: shanti ramachandran > *Gönderilmiş:* Sal 18.05.2010 02:29 > *Kime:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Konu:* Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck > > Hi Norman, > > Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off > the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? > > Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a > tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? > > Thanks > Ram > > > --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen //* > wrote: > > > From: Norman van Wijnen > Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM > > Hi Guys, > I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of > oxidation from leaking. > So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. > Regards Norman > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From footsurg at hotmail.com Wed May 19 00:33:23 2010 From: footsurg at hotmail.com (Mark Margiotta) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:33:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade In-Reply-To: <374245.60544.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171529@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL>, , <374245.60544.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, The little capacitors, to me, seem to sonically benefit from some burn in. Immediately after I performed the mod and re-calibrated (which I did perform) I recorded a track on a new metal tape. Then I put the deck in the record pause mode and left it like that for about 48 hours. Then I came back and recorded the same track that I recorded before right after the first track on the same metal tape. I can play that tape back on any deck that I own, and the second track does sound noticably more relaxed and has more resolution than the first track. This may be my imagination, but the two people I asked which track sounded better, both said it was clearly the second one. I did not tell either of them what I did or even why I was asking. I have built and modified a good number of tube amps and preamps that use premium coupling and cathode bypass caps, and in those its pretty obvious that burn in makes a notable sonic difference for the better. When you burn in on these it is the caps that benefit the most from it. So that is why I performed this experiment to see if these lower quality, much smaller caps could also benefit from burn in. And to my ears they did benefit as well. On the high end audio boards there is always a lot of discussion on the topic of burn in. It seems that it is pretty much split down the middle with those that believe that burn in is good, and those that believe burn in a ridiculous myth with no merit at all whatsoever. I happen to believe that it burn in does impart a sonic benefit. Its not a scientific philosophy, but simply an aural one for me. I have heard the difference that burn in can make. But I do have a particularly resolving system that perhaps the benefits can be more easily heard. It also could be all in my head too! Mark Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:43:14 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade To: naktalk at naks.com Mark. Two comments: first, there is nothing to 'burn in' after performing the modification. Second, it's a good idea to re-calibrate the deck after the mod, because it affects overall response. Finally: I wholeheartedly agree that the mod is sonically worthwhile. -- Ron From: Mark Margiotta To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:37:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade The golden serial number for the Eq upgrade is A130-08677. Any CR-7A with a serial number higher than 8677 has the Eq upgrade already installed by Nakamichi. My CR-7A serial number is around 7600, so I spent a lot of time using it without the Eq upgrade. A few months ago I installed and burned in the Eq upgrade, and I have to say that this is a very worthwhile upgrade. The high frequencies improved markedly, and everything I have recorded since the upgrade sounds much more natural and resolved. Its a huge difference. I only use pre 1990 Metal bias cassettes from TDK and Maxell. The upgrade was not too hard for me to do, but I have quite a bit of formal electronics training. The Nakamichi Bulletin that shows you how to do the upgrade is NR-0056. I bought all my caps and resistors from DigiKey. I still have enough parts left over from my order to upgrade the Eq circuit on 4 more CR-7's if anyone is interested. As far as the white plastic idler gear upgrade from the rubber tire on the CR-7A, that was done starting with SN A130-10500. Mark Subject: YNT: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24:25 +0300 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Hello to every one I remember that I ve read here the serial number for CR 7,it was said that after tahat serial the CR7s have eq updated and and gear upgraded. What was the serial is there anyone who remembers this? Regards. Ural Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: shanti ramachandran Gönderilmiş: Sal 18.05.2010 02:29 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck Hi Norman, Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM Hi Guys, I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of oxidation from leaking. So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. Regards Norman -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dandhsun at gmail.com Wed May 19 03:16:52 2010 From: dandhsun at gmail.com (Daniel Sun) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 09:16:52 +0800 Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. In-Reply-To: <676891.2976.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <357245.44345.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <085F9567C70B40E58E90B98CAC591906@desktop> <609399.25065.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <676891.2976.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Speaking of metal parts, I was able to clean one of the capstan shaft with metal polish in paste form with success, after several scrubbing with q-tips, the dark oxide came off and it is as shiny as new. Rgds, Daniel On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Ron wrote: > > This is a case where both sides are right :-). > > It's true that if you dunk rubber in Isopropyl > alcohol for an extended time, the alcohol will > ruin the rubber. > > OTOH, if you clean a rubber part with a cloth > or Q-tip dampaned with alcohol, then, IME, > the damage, if any, is infinitesimal. I have been > doing that (including on my own decks) for > many years and have yet to see any damage. I > sold my 582 after 17 years of cleaning (well > over a 100 times) with the original pinch > rollers intact. > > In stubborn cases, I have even used MEK (a far, > far more aggressive solvent). It's great on metal > parts but is the kiss of death to rubber. Still, no > semi-long-term (years) effect. Of course, I do > use it judiciously (not to mention, very carefully > - the fumes are deadly to humans). > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* jayson levitz > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Mon, May 17, 2010 8:57:47 AM > > *Subject:* Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. > > Martin, > > Ram is right, and the Nak experts at ESL agree. Isopropyl alcohol is bad > for rubber. It will eventually destroy your pinch rollers and idler tire. > > Jayson > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Martin Short > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Mon, May 17, 2010 6:42:44 AM > *Subject:* Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. > >  > Ram, > > Isopropyl Alcohol is fine on rubber, .....that horse has been flogged so > many times I thought it was dead.... > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* shanti ramachandran > *To:* thomas36245-net at yahoo.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, May 17, 2010 2:21 AM > *Subject:* Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. > > Thomas, > > Alcohol on rubber is "BAD"......It dehydrates the rubber and causes > brittleness ultimately causing the rubber to fragment and shred and shed. > > Ram > > --- On *Sat, 5/15/10, thomas * wrote: > > > From: thomas > Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:16 PM > > Hi Ram and Fred ; I use a long narrow emery board that that costs $1.99 > a 10 pack from the local drug store on my LX 3. I just maneuver it down from > the top, scrub off the tire lightly till the emery board has a small black > mark on it by running the ff and rew and clean it up with a little isopropyl > alcohol and its done. Pretty easy and quick. Thomas > > --- On *Sat, 5/15/10, shanti ramachandran *wrote: > > > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 5:55 PM > > Fred, > > With so many good idlers' available these days on ebay, why bother > resurfacing. Its more prudent to replace the idler tire and be worry free > for 5 years or so more( in terms of the Sankyo transport) > > Moreover, replacing the idler tire can be done by a clutz like me on the > Sankyo trasports. > > I'd prefer to leave the hemostats in the operating room! :)) > > Regards, > > Ram > > --- On *Sat, 5/15/10, Fred Longworth *wrote: > > > From: Fred Longworth > Subject: Re: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:50 PM > > I normally resurface the idler tire with #1000 sandpaper held in a pair of > hemostats. I rotate the tire with a small wooden stick so that the sanding > process is done as evenly as possible. Then I treat the surface of the tire > with rubber rejuvenator. It's important to wipe off all the rejuvenator when > the treatment is done. I don't use alcohol. I just wipe it off. > > > http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-362&source=googleps > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > 2010/5/15 uraldurusu > >> Ron I did the cleaning. Normally it helps for a while but for the hub side >> both of the hub surfaces is textured to increase the friction so there is >> no glazing on the hub. I have cleaned the tire surface but nothing changed >> at FF with the cassette in the well. I decided to simulate the end of tape >> during FF and grab the hub by hand and deck stopped in silence and there was >> no chattering. I tried this few times and there was no problem. Then I put >> the cassette back and pressed FF again chattering. Mean time I noticed that >> the cassette case is moving up and down inside the lid while this chattering >> occurs. So I pressed on the cassette by hand to keep it firm and the problem >> disappeared again. I have slightly pulled out the lid's cassette holding >> springs on both sides of the door to increase the pressure on the cassette >> now the problem is disappeared. >> >> Anyway I decided to buy a modified idler tire and replace it. May be the >> tire is lost its phisical properties and needs extra force to give the >> necessary performance. >> >> Regards >> Ural >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron >> Gönderilmiş: Cmt 15.05.2010 01:36 >> Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 FF problem. >> >> >> >> Try to thoroughly clean the idler and hub >> mating surfaces. If that doesn't help -- or >> helps just for a while, replace the idler >> tire. >> >> Good luck, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> 2010/5/13 Ural Durusu >> >> >> Hello, >> My CR7 normally runs well and good playback and record performance. >> Nowadays I have problem with the fast forwarding. When the cassette reached >> to end idler wheel does not keep its contact with the front wheel table and >> 2 or 3 times it bounces and makes strong noise before auto stop. But for the >> reverse side there is no problem. I have checked but cannot see any spring >> or tensioner, the idler moves to one side depending on the motor direction. >> Also I have checked the service manual but can not find any solution. 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URL: From chartz at club-internet.fr Wed May 19 07:47:39 2010 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:47:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2/3/4 knob wanted! In-Reply-To: <000601caf6c0$7225bcf0$567136d0$@utah.edu> References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BF25BFE.5070003@univ-rennes1.fr> <000601caf6c0$7225bcf0$567136d0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <9892D34D-A3B4-4748-92C9-6629D3E06C67@club-internet.fr> Hi everyone, Would anyone here have a spare master knob for one of these decks, by any chance? Mine has met a brick wall! Thanks in advance! Jacques Frantz jacques at chartz.fr (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Wed May 19 10:54:40 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:54:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade In-Reply-To: <4BF30C54.7070206@ttmail.com> References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171529@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> <4BF30C54.7070206@ttmail.com> Message-ID: <4BF3A750.9050205@univ-rennes1.fr> Ural, Yes, I think there is a difference between the CR7/CR7A and the CR7E at least for the gear upgrade: Mine is a CR7E, numbered A130, serial 11056 : it turned out that it had the factory Eq upgrade but NOT the gear one. Bernard Ural Durusu a écrit : > Mark, is there any difference in between the CR7, CR7A and CR7E for the > serial number vise? Is this number valid only for the CR7A group or > common for all CR7 types? I mean if a CR7 (having adjustable voltage > selector for both 110-220V) has a serial number below 8677 this means it > has not eq upgraded is it? > > Ural > > 18.05.2010 18:37, Mark Margiotta yazm?ş: >> >> The golden serial number for the Eq upgrade is A130-08677. Any CR-7A >> with a serial number higher than 8677 has the Eq upgrade already >> installed by Nakamichi. My CR-7A serial number is around 7600, so I >> spent a lot of time using it without the Eq upgrade. A few months ago >> I installed and burned in the Eq upgrade, and I have to say that this >> is a very worthwhile upgrade. The high frequencies improved markedly, >> and everything I have recorded since the upgrade sounds much more >> natural and resolved. Its a huge difference. I only use pre 1990 >> Metal bias cassettes from TDK and Maxell. The upgrade was not too >> hard for me to do, but I have quite a bit of formal electronics >> training. The Nakamichi Bulletin that shows you how to do the upgrade >> is NR-0056. I bought all my caps and resistors from DigiKey. I still >> have enough parts left over from my order to upgrade the Eq circuit >> on 4 more CR-7's if anyone is interested. >> >> As far as the white plastic idler gear upgrade from the rubber tire on >> the CR-7A, that was done starting with SN A130-10500. >> >> Mark >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: YNT: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24:25 +0300 >> From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >> Hello to every one I remember that I ve read here the serial number >> for CR 7,it was said that after tahat serial the CR7s have eq updated >> and and gear upgraded. What was the serial is there anyone who >> remembers this? >> >> Regards. >> Ural >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Kimden:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: shanti ramachandran >> *Gönderilmiş:* Sal 18.05.2010 02:29 >> *Kime:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Konu:* Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >> >> Hi Norman, >> >> Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off >> the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? >> >> Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a >> tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? >> >> Thanks >> Ram >> >> >> --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen //* >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Norman van Wijnen >> Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of >> oxidation from leaking. >> So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. >> >> Regards Norman >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bill.cameron at ntlworld.com Wed May 19 15:38:26 2010 From: bill.cameron at ntlworld.com (CAMERON WILLIAM) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:38:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Speed issue with BX100E Message-ID: Hi I bought a BX 100E and have just changed the belts (idler wheel +2) and the deck is running fast.I don't know if it did before as nothing happened when I bought it.Previous owner said belts needed changed.Have I done something wrong?Is there an easy fix?Help gratefully received.Thanks progrock123 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed May 19 18:00:50 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 09:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck In-Reply-To: <000601caf6c0$7225bcf0$567136d0$@utah.edu> References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BF25BFE.5070003@univ-rennes1.fr> <000601caf6c0$7225bcf0$567136d0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <997424.94390.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am not sure that's still true, but I found a socket in [gulp...] Radio Shack. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Victor Gabrenas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 3:29:34 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck Or….One could replace it with a socketed battery. I would imagine an old PC motherboard would have something usable. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck It's actually welded to the support and should be changed with a battery which also had the support tabs on it. It's a solder in but easy to get to since the board flips up. Willy On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:21 AM, boitrel wrote: Norman Ram, This point has been discussed briefly last year. How would you take the battery off? If I remember well, the battery is soldered on a support, itself soldered on the main board. Thanks Bernard shanti ramachandran a écrit : Hi Norman, Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? Thanks Ram --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen //* wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM Hi Guys, I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of oxidation from leaking. So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed May 19 18:15:09 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 09:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <254979.90957.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171529@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL>, , <374245.60544.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <179403.89988.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Oh, well, Mark. I am well aware of the tons and tons of bits expended on this. "True believers" preach burn in of not just caps, but also resistors (more plausible) and even PCBs and wire. We could argue until we are both blue in the face and never come to an agreement. Still, I do wonder what physical property of caps (let alone, wire and cables) changes during burn in (always, but always, for the better) and then quits changing immediately after the item reaches peak performance. No, let's not discuss, just ponder this for yourself. My best, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Mark Margiotta To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 6:33:23 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade Ron, The little capacitors, to me, seem to sonically benefit from some burn in. Immediately after I performed the mod and re-calibrated (which I did perform) I recorded a track on a new metal tape. Then I put the deck in the record pause mode and left it like that for about 48 hours. Then I came back and recorded the same track that I recorded before right after the first track on the same metal tape. I can play that tape back on any deck that I own, and the second track does sound noticably more relaxed and has more resolution than the first track. This may be my imagination, but the two people I asked which track sounded better, both said it was clearly the second one. I did not tell either of them what I did or even why I was asking. I have built and modified a good number of tube amps and preamps that use premium coupling and cathode bypass caps, and in those its pretty obvious that burn in makes a notable sonic difference for the better. When you burn in on these it is the caps that benefit the most from it. So that is why I performed this experiment to see if these lower quality, much smaller caps could also benefit from burn in. And to my ears they did benefit as well. On the high end audio boards there is always a lot of discussion on the topic of burn in. It seems that it is pretty much split down the middle with those that believe that burn in is good, and those that believe burn in a ridiculous myth with no merit at all whatsoever. I happen to believe that it burn in does impart a sonic benefit. Its not a scientific philosophy, but simply an aural one for me. I have heard the difference that burn in can make. But I do have a particularly resolving system that perhaps the benefits can be more easily heard. It also could be all in my head too! Mark ________________________________ Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:43:14 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade To: naktalk at naks.com Mark. Two comments: first, there is nothing to 'burn in' after performing the modification. Second, it's a good idea to re-calibrate the deck after the mod, because it affects overall response. Finally: I wholeheartedly agree that the mod is sonically worthwhile. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Mark Margiotta To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:37:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade The golden serial number for the Eq upgrade is A130-08677. Any CR-7A with a serial number higher than 8677 has the Eq upgrade already installed by Nakamichi. My CR-7A serial number is around 7600, so I spent a lot of time using it without the Eq upgrade. A few months ago I installed and burned in the Eq upgrade, and I have to say that this is a very worthwhile upgrade. The high frequencies improved markedly, and everything I have recorded since the upgrade sounds much more natural and resolved. Its a huge difference. I only use pre 1990 Metal bias cassettes from TDK and Maxell. The upgrade was not too hard for me to do, but I have quite a bit of formal electronics training. The Nakamichi Bulletin that shows you how to do the upgrade is NR-0056. I bought all my caps and resistors from DigiKey. I still have enough parts left over from my order to upgrade the Eq circuit on 4 more CR-7's if anyone is interested. As far as the white plastic idler gear upgrade from the rubber tire on the CR-7A, that was done starting with SN A130-10500. Mark ________________________________ Subject: YNT: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24:25 +0300 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Hello to every one I remember that I ve read here the serial number for CR 7,it was said that after tahat serial the CR7s have eq updated and and gear upgraded. What was the serial is there anyone who remembers this? Regards. Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: shanti ramachandran Gönderilmiş: Sal 18.05.2010 02:29 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck Hi Norman, Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? Thanks Ram --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen wrote: >From: Norman van Wijnen >Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM > > > > >Hi Guys, > >I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of oxidation from leaking. >So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. > >Regards Norman >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:38 AM, CAMERON WILLIAM wrote: > Hi I bought a BX 100E and have just changed the belts (idler wheel +2) and > the deck is running fast.I don't know if it did before as nothing happened > when I bought it.Previous owner said belts needed changed.Have I done > something wrong?Is there an easy fix?Help gratefully received.Thanks > progrock123 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He wasn't sure about the exact S/N. -- Ron ________________________________ From: boitrel To: uraldurusu at ttmail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 4:54:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade Ural, Yes, I think there is a difference between the CR7/CR7A and the CR7E at least for the gear upgrade: Mine is a CR7E, numbered A130, serial 11056 : it turned out that it had the factory Eq upgrade but NOT the gear one. Bernard Ural Durusu a écrit : > Mark, is there any difference in between the CR7, CR7A and CR7E for the serial number vise? Is this number valid only for the CR7A group or common for all CR7 types? I mean if a CR7 (having adjustable voltage selector for both 110-220V) has a serial number below 8677 this means it has not eq upgraded is it? > > Ural > > 18.05.2010 18:37, Mark Margiotta yazm?ş: >> >> The golden serial number for the Eq upgrade is A130-08677. Any CR-7A with a serial number higher than 8677 has the Eq upgrade already installed by Nakamichi. My CR-7A serial number is around 7600, so I spent a lot of time using it without the Eq upgrade. A few months ago I installed and burned in the Eq upgrade, and I have to say that this is a very worthwhile upgrade. The high frequencies improved markedly, and everything I have recorded since the upgrade sounds much more natural and resolved. Its a huge difference. I only use pre 1990 Metal bias cassettes from TDK and Maxell. The upgrade was not too hard for me to do, but I have quite a bit of formal electronics training. The Nakamichi Bulletin that shows you how to do the upgrade is NR-0056. I bought all my caps and resistors from DigiKey. I still have enough parts left over from my order to upgrade the Eq circuit on 4 more CR-7's if anyone is interested. >> As far as the white plastic idler gear upgrade from the rubber tire on the CR-7A, that was done starting with SN A130-10500. Mark >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: YNT: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24:25 +0300 >> From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >> Hello to every one I remember that I ve read here the serial number for CR 7,it was said that after tahat serial the CR7s have eq updated and and gear upgraded. What was the serial is there anyone who remembers this? >> Regards. >> Ural >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Kimden:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: shanti ramachandran >> *Gönderilmiş:* Sal 18.05.2010 02:29 >> *Kime:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Konu:* Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >> >> Hi Norman, >> >> Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? >> >> Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? >> >> Thanks >> Ram >> >> >> --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen //* wrote: >> >> >> From: Norman van Wijnen >> Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM >> >> Hi Guys, >> I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of >> oxidation from leaking. >> So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. >> Regards Norman >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See details in the service manual. -- Ron ________________________________ From: CAMERON WILLIAM To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 9:38:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] Speed issue with BX100E Hi I bought a BX 100E and have just changed the belts (idler wheel +2) and the deck is running fast.I don't know if it did before as nothing happened when I bought it.Previous owner said belts needed changed.Have I done something wrong?Is there an easy fix?Help gratefully received.Thanks progrock123 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed May 19 22:56:11 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:56:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speed issue with BX100E In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The BX100A/E is a speed adjustable machine. Find an adjuster through a hole on the back of the capstan motor. Every belt will cause some change in speed. Willy On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:38 AM, CAMERON WILLIAM wrote: > Hi I bought a BX 100E and have just changed the belts (idler wheel +2) and > the deck is running fast.I don't know if it did before as nothing happened > when I bought it.Previous owner said belts needed changed.Have I done > something wrong?Is there an easy fix?Help gratefully received.Thanks > progrock123 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Wed May 19 22:54:52 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:54:52 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 530/582 In-Reply-To: <201005191011.o4JA4Drr005085@zxe.naks.com> References: <201005191011.o4JA4Drr005085@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8e89f0594b602f79031160434c0fd9d1.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> David, Hard to say... the 530 receiver is the rare one for me, 582's are almost dime a dozen. However, I would have said that a good 582 in proven mint condition and fully functional would still be worth atleast around $250-300 in A+NZ, so that leaves $700 for the 530. In the last couple of years, two reasonable looking Nak 410/420 pre-power sets sold on ebay.au for around A$500.... so given that the 530 has a bit more grunt and a built in tuner, and the rarity value.. first one I have seen in a very looong time..... is the additional $200 asked worth it?. I would say it is top dollar, but not extortionate. If I was still living in Sydney, and the pair are as good as them seem, I could be tempted, but as that is now nearly NZ$1300...eek.. John Gipps might chime in with his thoughts too.. cheers, Martin > A seller in Sydney has relisted a Receiver 530 and Deck 582 for AU$999. > They are supposed to be in mint condition. The descriptions are somewhat > garbled. Any suggestions on their real value? > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250634439202&ssPageNam > e=ADME:B:WNARL:AU:1123#ht_3482wt_1039 > > David > > > > From bill.cameron at ntlworld.com Wed May 19 23:18:13 2010 From: bill.cameron at ntlworld.com (CAMERON WILLIAM) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:18:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Speed issue with BX100E In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I bought the belt kit from www.wjoe.com Don't know where they get them from. running quite a bit faster. On 19 May 2010 17:17, Fred Longworth wrote: > What belts did you use? Where did you purchase them? Were they from Marrs? > > Marrs belts excepted, there are a great many bogus belts floating around, > especially online, which -- if installed -- can lead to grief. > > * * * * * > > Also, how fast is it running? A tiny bit fast? A great deal faster than > normal? > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:38 AM, CAMERON WILLIAM < > bill.cameron at ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> Hi I bought a BX 100E and have just changed the belts (idler wheel +2) and >> the deck is running fast.I don't know if it did before as nothing happened >> when I bought it.Previous owner said belts needed changed.Have I done >> something wrong?Is there an easy fix?Help gratefully received.Thanks >> progrock123 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu May 20 01:13:08 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:13:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speed issue with BX100E In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it is running quite a bit faster, then -- if the speed control is implicated -- you should squirt come Caig DeoxIT D5 into the speed adjustment aperture, and then work the control through its range about thirty times with the set OFF. Next, set the speed, either by ear or with a speed adjustment calibration tape. If this doesn't deal with "quite a bit faster," then look to see if the belt is riding up on the FLANGE of the motor pulley. This changes the arc length per unit time that the pulley generates. Bogus belts will often not "sit" correctly on the pulley. this is especially true of belts that are too tight and/or too wide. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:18 PM, CAMERON WILLIAM wrote: > I bought the belt kit from www.wjoe.com Don't know where they get them > from. running quite a bit faster. > > > On 19 May 2010 17:17, Fred Longworth wrote: > >> What belts did you use? Where did you purchase them? Were they from Marrs? >> >> Marrs belts excepted, there are a great many bogus belts floating around, >> especially online, which -- if installed -- can lead to grief. >> >> * * * * * >> >> Also, how fast is it running? A tiny bit fast? A great deal faster than >> normal? >> >> Fred >> Classic Audio Repair >> www.repairaudio.com >> >> * * * * * >> >> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:38 AM, CAMERON WILLIAM < >> bill.cameron at ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi I bought a BX 100E and have just changed the belts (idler wheel +2) >>> and the deck is running fast.I don't know if it did before as nothing >>> happened when I bought it.Previous owner said belts needed changed.Have I >>> done something wrong?Is there an easy fix?Help gratefully received.Thanks >>> progrock123 >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eej at enative.com Thu May 20 05:28:20 2010 From: eej at enative.com (Eric Jacobs) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 20:28:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 gear drive SN (was CR-7A Eq Upgrade) In-Reply-To: <4BF3A750.9050205@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: The highest SN I've seen with an idler was a CR-7A, SN 13013. Owner claimed that they were the original buyer, and had not modded the deck. I've four CR-7 series decks (13566, 13602, 16138, and 16636) all with gear drives. All are CR-7A except 16138, which is a CR-7 (Canada). Anyone else have anecdotal information on SNs with idlers versus gear drives? Eric -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of boitrel Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:55 AM To: uraldurusu at ttmail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A Eq Upgrade Ural, Yes, I think there is a difference between the CR7/CR7A and the CR7E at least for the gear upgrade: Mine is a CR7E, numbered A130, serial 11056 : it turned out that it had the factory Eq upgrade but NOT the gear one. Bernard Ural Durusu a écrit : > Mark, is there any difference in between the CR7, CR7A and CR7E for the > serial number vise? Is this number valid only for the CR7A group or > common for all CR7 types? I mean if a CR7 (having adjustable voltage > selector for both 110-220V) has a serial number below 8677 this means it > has not eq upgraded is it? > > Ural > > 18.05.2010 18:37, Mark Margiotta yazm?ş: >> >> The golden serial number for the Eq upgrade is A130-08677. Any CR-7A >> with a serial number higher than 8677 has the Eq upgrade already >> installed by Nakamichi. My CR-7A serial number is around 7600, so I >> spent a lot of time using it without the Eq upgrade. A few months ago >> I installed and burned in the Eq upgrade, and I have to say that this >> is a very worthwhile upgrade. The high frequencies improved markedly, >> and everything I have recorded since the upgrade sounds much more >> natural and resolved. Its a huge difference. I only use pre 1990 >> Metal bias cassettes from TDK and Maxell. The upgrade was not too >> hard for me to do, but I have quite a bit of formal electronics >> training. The Nakamichi Bulletin that shows you how to do the upgrade >> is NR-0056. I bought all my caps and resistors from DigiKey. I still >> have enough parts left over from my order to upgrade the Eq circuit >> on 4 more CR-7's if anyone is interested. >> >> As far as the white plastic idler gear upgrade from the rubber tire on >> the CR-7A, that was done starting with SN A130-10500. >> >> Mark >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: YNT: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24:25 +0300 >> From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >> Hello to every one I remember that I ve read here the serial number >> for CR 7,it was said that after tahat serial the CR7s have eq updated >> and and gear upgraded. What was the serial is there anyone who >> remembers this? >> >> Regards. >> Ural >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Kimden:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: shanti ramachandran >> *Gönderilmiş:* Sal 18.05.2010 02:29 >> *Kime:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Konu:* Re: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >> >> Hi Norman, >> >> Excellent point.......On another note, what if the battery is kept off >> the deck at all times to prevent such greenery? >> >> Would the above just kill the ability to store calibration data for a >> tape type when powered off? Or would it hinder calibration?? >> >> Thanks >> Ram >> >> >> --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Norman van Wijnen //* >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Norman van Wijnen >> Subject: [naktalk] warning for leaking battery inside CR7 tapedeck >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:03 PM >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> I'm repairing a CR7E and the backup battery inside was green of >> oxidation from leaking. >> So consider to check your deck and replace this battery if necessary. >> >> Regards Norman >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu May 20 13:32:50 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 11:32:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX100E runs fast after belt change Message-ID: <958172781-1274355158-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1788985260-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> That is perfectly normal. EVERY deck with belt driven capstans has to be adjusted when the idler and/or capstan belts are changed. The new idler increases take up tension, which allows motor to work easier/faster and new belts can speed up or slow down the motor depending on motor load due to size. You need a speed tape and a frequency counter to set it correct, with a small philips screwdriver to adjust the pot in the small opening in the rear of the motor. Perry Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu May 20 13:43:40 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 11:43:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR7 EQ upgrade, Ron Message-ID: <800601209-1274355790-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1416830176-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Ron says: "changes during burn in (always, but always, for the better) and then quits changing immediately after the item reaches peak performance" I laughed till I choked on that one! Too funny! The placebo effect at it's greatest. However, I would be remiss if I didn't say that any analogue component will change characteristics with time. "Burn in" is just another way of saying "drying out". Whether that improves or degrades the signal is debateable, I guess. Perry Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu May 20 19:13:55 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:13:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX100E runs fast after belt change In-Reply-To: <958172781-1274355158-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1788985260-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <958172781-1274355158-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1788985260-@bda459.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: It is really a question of how fast the set is running with the new capstan belt. Normally, after a belt change, you can expect a speed error up to a few percent -- though about one cassette deck in ten will be right on the money. For example, the 1000 Hz test tape may read 970 Hz or 1030 Hz on a frequency counter or wow-and-flutter meter. A simple adjustment will fix errors of this magnitude. Often, it is necessary to treat the internal speed pot with Caig DeoxIT to obtain a stable adjustment. However, if the speed discrepancy is a great deal more, say 25%, then I do * not* suspect that a simple speed adjustment will fix the problem. In these instances, if the motor is going fast, there will often be an internal failure of the motor. .Most repair companies will then want to replace the motor. It is not unusual though, if the belt has just been replaced, for the "very fast" symptom to be due to an incorrect belt. Due to the flood of bogus belts being sold online, people regularly bring cassette decks, reel-to-reel decks and turntables into my shop bearing belts that are absolutely wrong. The most common wrong-belt cause for a "very fast" symptom is a belt that is both too wide and slightly too tight. The result is that the belt will ride up on the flange of the motor pulley rather than seating itself on the fattest portion of the convex part of the pulley. This mispositioning can also occur when the motor is mounted on three grommets, and the grommets have gone soft and gooey, allowing the entire motor to skew so that the motor shaft angles as much as 5-degrees toward the flywheel. The former symptom can be cured by re-replacing the belt with a correct part; the latter yields to grommet replacement. The above is really all there is to it. Fred Longworth Owner & Master Technician Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:32 AM, wrote: > That is perfectly normal. EVERY deck with belt driven capstans has to be > adjusted when the idler and/or capstan belts are changed. The new idler > increases take up tension, which allows motor to work easier/faster and new > belts can speed up or slow down the motor depending on motor load due to > size. You need a speed tape and a frequency counter to set it correct, with > a small philips screwdriver to adjust the pot in the small opening in the > rear of the motor. > Perry > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat May 22 01:43:56 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:43:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ST 7 NakTuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try here. I've ordered hard-to-find parts from this source before. The owner is Chinese, and has access to a vast supply of decent-quality Chinese parts. http://utsource.net/TD6301AP.html Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:10 AM, wdrewes at iafrica.com wrote: > I have a ST7 tuner that had us beat because of the display not working.It > turns out that Cip TD 6301AP has gone south. While the chip is available in > South Africa at an exhorbitant price,I wonder whether somebody could point > out a source of supply! > I also still need the 4 buttons! > Help would be much appreciated! > Walter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From resloat at comcast.net Sat May 22 19:48:04 2010 From: resloat at comcast.net (Robert E. Sloat) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:48:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speed issues with my BX300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got hooked on your site last year and redid the belt and tire on my BX 300 which I purchased new in 1985. I bought the belt and tire from Joe Coco's site mentioned in a few e-mails ago. A vintage electronics nut friend had used the same source for his BX 100. He mentioned that he could help me calibrate my deck if any issues came up After the new belt and tire installation, an A/B listening test of a few tracks recorded from a favorite CD and the original CD source showed no difference. I played around with the pitch control dial on the front of the unit, which I assume controls tape speed, and could hear differences. I guess I lucked out. My friend and others on this board have recommended a full calibration as a matter of 30 year maintenance which I may do. Bob Sloat ----- Original Message ----- From: CAMERON WILLIAM To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Speed issues with my BX100 Many thanks for all help.Deck running fine now.Great to know you are all out there.Bill. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST 7 NakTuner Try here. I've ordered hard-to-find parts from this source before. The owner is Chinese, and has access to a vast supply of decent-quality Chinese parts. http://utsource.net/TD6301AP.html Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:10 AM, wdrewes at iafrica.com wrote: I have a ST7 tuner that had us beat because of the display not working.It turns out that Cip TD 6301AP has gone south. While the chip is available in South Africa at an exhorbitant price,I wonder whether somebody could point out a source of supply! I also still need the 4 buttons! Help would be much appreciated! 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Should I try to correct this problem or leave the connection without the P-mute (pin 2) connection? thanks bernard From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu May 27 20:48:51 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:48:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have 1000ZXL they wish to sell? Message-ID: <002501cafdcd$402092c0$c061b840$@utah.edu> I am looking for a 1000ZXL at a fair price. Anyone have one to sell? Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                 LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       From luis at peromarta.org Thu May 27 21:06:09 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:06:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have 1000ZXL they wish to sell? In-Reply-To: <002501cafdcd$402092c0$c061b840$@utah.edu> References: <002501cafdcd$402092c0$c061b840$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <1457270226-1274987181-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-700423395-@bda2148.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> I have a fully restored machine, in perfect working condition. Wont be cheap though. What sort of money were you thinking of before I go to ebay? -- Saludos, rgds, Luis. Sent from BB. Please excuse typos. -----Original Message----- From: "Victor Gabrenas" Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:48:51 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have 1000ZXL they wish to sell? I am looking for a 1000ZXL at a fair price. Anyone have one to sell? Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  Office:                 LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From TKirchner at comcast.net Fri May 28 03:13:46 2010 From: TKirchner at comcast.net (TKirchner at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 01:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have 1000ZXL they wish to sell? In-Reply-To: <002501cafdcd$402092c0$c061b840$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <1613009659.2181521275009226761.JavaMail.root@sz0174a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Victor, I have a Dragon, RX-505, CR-7A and a ZX-9-but no 1000ZXL. However, I think I know where you might find one. The owner of Loggie Audio here in the Bay Area (California), told me that one of his customers has one for sale. You can find his name and number on the Audiogon website. His ad floats between the classified section in the "New Today" section. Look hard but if you can't find him I can help. Also try whitepages.com in Redwood City. Good Luck! Tony Kirchner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Gabrenas" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:48:51 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have 1000ZXL they wish to sell? I am looking for a 1000ZXL at a fair price. Anyone have one to sell? Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri May 28 16:58:53 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:58:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have 1000ZXL they wish to sell? Message-ID: Victor, What price range did you have in mind? Mine is 220Volt(I have not checked out whether it is a switchable version) and I am toying with the idea of selling it! Walter  ----- Original Message ------  From:TKirchner at comcast.net  Sent:Friday, May 28, 2010 03:13  To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks naktalk at naks.com;  Subject:Re: [naktalk] Anyone have 1000ZXL they wish to sell? p { margin: 0; } Victor, I have a Dragon, RX-505, CR-7A and a ZX-9-but no 1000ZXL. However, I think I know where you might find one. The owner of Loggie Audio here in the Bay Area (California), told me that one of his customers has one for sale. You can find his name and number on the Audiogon website. His ad floats between the classified section in the "New Today" section. Look hard but if you can't find him I can help. Also try whitepages.com in Redwood City. Good Luck! 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URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2010\2010-November.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 00:15:38 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:15:38 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 582 belts and tire References: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> Message-ID: Disregard wire question - got it. Duh! Tire stills looks tricky/delicate. Anyone know where to get strong, tiny snap-ring pliers? _____ From: Cheryl Kaupp [mailto:kaupp240 at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 12:57 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: 582 belts and tire I'm getting ready to replace the belts and tires in the 582 "parts" deck that won't be a parts deck. The cassette drive assembly is part of the way out. Is there a good place to disconnect the wires to make it easier to work on? The various belts look fairly straightforward, but I keep eyeing the tire. That looks like lots of fun. Any tips on making it easy to replace the tire? It really, really needs it since it is dried, full of cracks, and slips if it has been sitting a while. Thanks for any tips, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hrameshrao at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 01:08:43 2010 From: hrameshrao at gmail.com (Ramesh Rao) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 05:38:43 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale * In-Reply-To: <2919651927013069622@unknownmsgid> References: <2919651927013069622@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Kannan, I am Ramesh Rao staying in Bangalore also interested in Naks. I would like to know where do you stay in Bangalore and is it possible to meet you during your visit? I am staying in MS Ramaiah City, JP Nagar 8th Phase, Bangalore 560076. and my mobile number is +9198860 55302. Regards H Ramesh Rao On 31 October 2010 21:26, kannan srinivasaraghavan < kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> wrote: > You chose to allow Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks (naktalk at naks.com) > even though this message failed authentication > Click to disallow| [image: > Boxbe] > > HI Guys > I am having a CR3A fully aligned and calibrated an year ago at my home in > Bangalore India for sale - Any naktalker in India interested in this can > contact me - I will be in India from Nov 8th > I also have a Dragon with some issues available in Bangalore - if somebody > india interetsed - contact me off list > Worst case I might bring it with me when I come back from India ( Nov 26th > I am returning) > thanks for your attention > kannan > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Regards H Ramesh Rao -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards- Ashis Banerjee > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:56:20 -0700 > From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale > > HI Guys > I am having a CR3A fully aligned and calibrated an year ago at my home in Bangalore India for sale - Any naktalker in India interested in this can contact me - I will be in India from Nov 8th > I also have a Dragon with some issues available in Bangalore - if somebody india interetsed - contact me off list > Worst case I might bring it with me when I come back from India ( Nov 26th I am returning) > thanks for your attention > kannan > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 1 12:56:29 2010 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 04:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <664032.66061.qm@web180008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As I recall, all the wires unplug at the pc board. I think you may have to remove the front panel and snake the head wires through, as on the 480. No easy way to get to the idler tire. Just be very careful when taking apart the transport; the nylon standoffs get brittle with age and break easily. be careful not to stress them in any way. Take pictures at different stages of dis-assembly to help you remember where things go. Warren --- On Sun, 10/31/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 6:57 PM I’m getting ready to replace the belts and tires in the 582 “parts” deck that won’t be a parts deck.   The cassette drive assembly is part of the way out. Is there a good place to disconnect the wires to make it easier to work on?   The various belts look fairly straightforward, but I keep eyeing the tire. That looks like lots of fun.   Any tips on making it easy to replace the tire? It really, really needs it since it is dried, full of cracks, and slips if it has been sitting a while.   Thanks for any tips,   Cheryl   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Nov 1 16:37:02 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 07:37:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire In-Reply-To: References: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> Message-ID: No easy way on that, Cheryl. The transport has to come out and get split apart. High "sproing factor" and make sure you return all the screws to the same locations. There are lots of differences you might not notice taking it apart. Best of luck. Willy On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > I’m getting ready to replace the belts and tires in the 582 “parts” deck > that won’t be a parts deck. > > > > The cassette drive assembly is part of the way out. Is there a good place > to disconnect the wires to make it easier to work on? > > > > The various belts look fairly straightforward, but I keep eyeing the tire. > That looks like lots of fun. > > > > Any tips on making it easy to replace the tire? It really, really needs it > since it is dried, full of cracks, and slips if it has been sitting a while. > > > > Thanks for any tips, > > > > Cheryl > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wrthissell at verizon.net Tue Nov 2 02:54:19 2010 From: wrthissell at verizon.net (Rich Thissell) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 21:54:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire In-Reply-To: References: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0LB8006FXIMQY7E1@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 20:35:26 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 09:35:26 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire In-Reply-To: References: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> Message-ID: Thanks Warren & Willy. The belts were very easy and took about 10 minutes - not so the tire. The "sproing factor" was exactly what had me hesitant. I just knew it would go SPROING and then I'd have to send all the parts to Willy in a box. :-) But I did it without taking the transport apart using my tiny fingers. Reached in with my left hand fingers and grabbed the wheel tightly and cut off the old tire with a very small xacto knife. Then by using a technique I use on tight, difficult automotive belts, I slowly worked the new one on while grasping tightly with those same fingers. But it really hurt and you'll be relieved to know I won't be typing much today. The transport is now working great. The 400hz tone is intermittent and is usually so weak that it is impossible to get the "rec cal" setting to 0db. The switch seems fine so that leaves the oscillator circuit, correct? The record and pause/cue switches don't stay engaged unless you hold them down for about 5 seconds. Since they work if you hold them down a bit, I suspect it is dirty switches that haven't been used in years. Most of the pots and sliders are noisy and need cleaning. I'll do the 581 tire the correct way and take pictures as Warren suggested. It sure looks like it could become an awful mess so a shipping box will be sitting ready to go. The 581 has been completely recapped and is working great. Here's hoping it doesn't become non-working because of the tire... ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire No easy way on that, Cheryl. The transport has to come out and get split apart. High "sproing factor" and make sure you return all the screws to the same locations. There are lots of differences you might not notice taking it apart. Best of luck. Willy On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: I'm getting ready to replace the belts and tires in the 582 "parts" deck that won't be a parts deck. The cassette drive assembly is part of the way out. Is there a good place to disconnect the wires to make it easier to work on? The various belts look fairly straightforward, but I keep eyeing the tire. That looks like lots of fun. Any tips on making it easy to replace the tire? It really, really needs it since it is dried, full of cracks, and slips if it has been sitting a while. Thanks for any tips, Cheryl ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 04:02:37 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 17:02:37 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck In-Reply-To: References: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org><60DE7AEDF5C641D6BDB608FABBEF4844@dykefdc8275b7a><4CA8AF72.2020005@comcast.net> Message-ID: I just acquired a Nakamichi RD-460 automotive Receiver/Cassette Deck. It looks like it was rarely used. Is anyone familiar with these units? Know of any common problems to look for? Any NakTalker with a service manual for this thing? I have a few days to decide whether to keep it or return it, so any help/pointers will be greatly appreciated. Aloha, Cheryl PS. Also just acquired a Brand New Sony WMD3 Cassette Recorder/Player. It has Dolby, Hi/Normal tape settings, Vu-meters, battery level indicator, line-in, protective case and mic input. Someone bought it years ago, took out the headphones for another unit, lost the mic, never used the WMD3, and finally decided to sell it since cassettes are "out". It's really nice, sounds great and is small enough to take on my daily walks. It seems I've caught the cassette bug again. From 1 broken deck to 5 working decks in just a few months. This wasn't supposed to happen - the cassettes were supposed to go. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Tue Nov 2 13:30:02 2010 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 06:30:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire References: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> <0LB8006FXIMQY7E1@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <001f01cb7a89$abf6af50$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Rich, Great site! Thanks for sharing Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Thissell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire Dear Cheryl, Try http://www.wjoe.com/vintageandantiques.htm#nakamichi belt kits. I bought my kit from them and the instructions are very valuable. Sincerely yours, Rich Thissell At 11:37 AM 11/1/2010, Willy Hermann wrote: No easy way on that, Cheryl. The transport has to come out and get split apart. High "sproing factor" and make sure you return all the screws to the same locations. There are lots of differences you might not notice taking it apart. Best of luck. Willy On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: I'm getting ready to replace the belts and tires in the 582 "parts" deck that won't be a parts deck. The cassette drive assembly is part of the way out. Is there a good place to disconnect the wires to make it easier to work on? The various belts look fairly straightforward, but I keep eyeing the tire. That looks like lots of fun. Any tips on making it easy to replace the tire? It really, really needs it since it is dried, full of cracks, and slips if it has been sitting a while. Thanks for any tips, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 18:37:01 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:37:01 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire In-Reply-To: <001f01cb7a89$abf6af50$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net><0LB8006FXIMQY7E1@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> <001f01cb7a89$abf6af50$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Yes, indeed. Thanks Rich! ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:30 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire Rich, Great site! Thanks for sharing Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Thissell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire Dear Cheryl, Try http://www.wjoe.com/vintageandantiques.htm#nakamichi belt kits. I bought my kit from them and the instructions are very valuable. Sincerely yours, Rich Thissell At 11:37 AM 11/1/2010, Willy Hermann wrote: No easy way on that, Cheryl. The transport has to come out and get split apart. High "sproing factor" and make sure you return all the screws to the same locations. There are lots of differences you might not notice taking it apart. Best of luck. Willy On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: I'm getting ready to replace the belts and tires in the 582 "parts" deck that won't be a parts deck. The cassette drive assembly is part of the way out. Is there a good place to disconnect the wires to make it easier to work on? The various belts look fairly straightforward, but I keep eyeing the tire. That looks like lots of fun. Any tips on making it easy to replace the tire? It really, really needs it since it is dried, full of cracks, and slips if it has been sitting a while. Thanks for any tips, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wytpages at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 2 19:17:20 2010 From: wytpages at optusnet.com.au (wytpages) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 05:17:20 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Message-ID: Hi Guys, Does anyone know where I could source replacement pressure rollers for a Dragon? Regards, Dave G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 22:49:04 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:49:04 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Is anyone familiar with this 582 amp repair? In-Reply-To: <0LB8006FXIMQY7E1@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> References: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> <0LB8006FXIMQY7E1@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: It's a crappy pic, but there are 3 ceramic caps soldered to the solder side of the 582 main board. They appear to be soldered to C162 and C262 in the record amp. They are 100pf each. Does anyone recognize this as a factory modification? Or is this just a JoeBlow mod? Thanks, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC_0145.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2602961 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 3 02:48:35 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:48:35 -1000 Subject: Update - RE: [naktalk] Is anyone familiar with this 582 amp repair? In-Reply-To: References: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net><0LB8006FXIMQY7E1@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: There were 2 ea 100pf caps soldered in parallel to the leads of C162. There was 1 ea 100pf cap soldered to the leads of C262. One channel had 2, the other had 1. Hmmmmm. Parts list has an error and C162/C262 are listed twice - once in the record amp section and once in the bias oscillator. The listing in the record amp is incorrect - the caps are in the bias osc. Symptoms were: Unable to properly calibrate record level. 400hz tone intermittent and weak. When recording, left channel was very weak and right channel slightly weak. Transport controls would not always stay engaged. Playback of tapes recorded on other decks sounded great. Actions: Cleaned all of the soft-touch transport control switches. Replaced all the PP caps but the ones in the Dolby PB circuit (ran out of caps and PB was fine anyway - caps on backorder). That fixed the 400hz test tone, but didn't fix the weak left channel or REC CAL problem. After staring at those 3 ceramic caps for a while, decided to just remove them. Can now properly set REC CAL. Recording problem fixed - both channels sound great. Transport controls seem to work fine now - will know for sure after it sits overnight. I suspect that someone was trying to fix the problem with the 400 hz oscillator and not only didn't fix it, they additionally broke the recording function. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:49 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] Is anyone familiar with this 582 amp repair? It's a crappy pic, but there are 3 ceramic caps soldered to the solder side of the 582 main board. They appear to be soldered to C162 and C262 in the record amp. They are 100pf each. Does anyone recognize this as a factory modification? Or is this just a JoeBlow mod? Thanks, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au Thu Nov 4 11:06:44 2010 From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au (John Gipps) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 20:06:44 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Is anyone familiar with this 582 amp repair? In-Reply-To: <201011031117.oA3B8IqR026221@zxe.naks.com> References: <201011031117.oA3B8IqR026221@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000101cb7c07$fce06210$f6a12630$@com.au> Hi Cheryl The caps C162 and C262 are in the Rec Cal circuitry rather than in the bias oscillator. They are intended to be 270pF, and I assume that you will have 270pF caps installed on the component side of the board. The effect of adding the extra caps to C162/C262 would be to increase the bias current range of the deck. I would guess that the different capacitor values added (100pF to one channel and 200pF to the other channel) would have been determined by measurement to produce the same record response result for the two channels for some particular high bias tape. I haven't ever seen any Nak directive to fiddle with the values of C162/C262 - but nothing surprises me anymore - there could be one. Chances are you've done the right thing in removing the added caps. Whoever added the caps presumably would have adjusted the bias preset pots (VR704,705,706,804,805,806) to suit his/her increased bias current capability. Maybe they were using a tape requiring abnormally high bias current - or maybe they were just misguided. It's interesting to note that on the circuit diagram there are a second pair of caps designated C162/C262 - the second pair are 150pF caps to ground from the first pair. The two pairs of caps constitute a capacitive voltage divider, and feed the bias current to the record head after the preset bias adjust pots. Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:48:35 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: Update - RE: [naktalk] Is anyone familiar with this 582 amp repair? To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There were 2 ea 100pf caps soldered in parallel to the leads of C162. There was 1 ea 100pf cap soldered to the leads of C262. One channel had 2, the other had 1. Hmmmmm. Parts list has an error and C162/C262 are listed twice - once in the record amp section and once in the bias oscillator. The listing in the record amp is incorrect - the caps are in the bias osc. Symptoms were: Unable to properly calibrate record level. 400hz tone intermittent and weak. When recording, left channel was very weak and right channel slightly weak. Transport controls would not always stay engaged. Playback of tapes recorded on other decks sounded great. Actions: Cleaned all of the soft-touch transport control switches. Replaced all the PP caps but the ones in the Dolby PB circuit (ran out of caps and PB was fine anyway - caps on backorder). That fixed the 400hz test tone, but didn't fix the weak left channel or REC CAL problem. After staring at those 3 ceramic caps for a while, decided to just remove them. Can now properly set REC CAL. Recording problem fixed - both channels sound great. Transport controls seem to work fine now - will know for sure after it sits overnight. I suspect that someone was trying to fix the problem with the 400 hz oscillator and not only didn't fix it, they additionally broke the recording function. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:49 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] Is anyone familiar with this 582 amp repair? It's a crappy pic, but there are 3 ceramic caps soldered to the solder side of the 582 main board. They appear to be soldered to C162 and C262 in the record amp. They are 100pf each. Does anyone recognize this as a factory modification? Or is this just a JoeBlow mod? Thanks, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101102/2cdf8d4c/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 93, Issue 4 ************************************** From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 4 19:51:07 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:51:07 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Is anyone familiar with this 582 amp repair? In-Reply-To: <000101cb7c07$fce06210$f6a12630$@com.au> References: <201011031117.oA3B8IqR026221@zxe.naks.com> <000101cb7c07$fce06210$f6a12630$@com.au> Message-ID: Hi John, I think they were misguided because when I removed them, the recording function started working properly. Prior to removal, the left channel was very weak and the right channel slightly weak on the 3 major types of tape. Now both channels sound great, so yes, they appear to have been in the record amp. The parts list mentions them twice: 1. Record amp as 150pf mica caps 2. Bias oscillator circuit as 270pf ceramic caps. A visual check revealed that the C162/262 I was looking at were 270pf ceramic, which is why I deduced they were in the bias oscillator even though I initially thought they were in the record amp. If they are really in the record amp, then the error is more serious than a simple double listing. The values appear to be swapped. 582 owners might want to note this on their parts list. I did check all the directives and did not see anything like these added caps. The resistor for the stop light burn out (mute problem) had been added. There also appears to be a mod to the transport. There is a spring that goes through a holder near the control motor on my 581. The 582 is missing that spring and an arm it attaches to. I haven't had a chance to look it up yet so don't know what the spring/arm are called. Couldn't find this mod in any directive either. This afternoon the search will be on for a second set of C162/262. Are these just errors in the documentation or are there really 2 sets of caps with the same numbers? Thanks for the good info! Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of John Gipps Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Is anyone familiar with this 582 amp repair? Hi Cheryl The caps C162 and C262 are in the Rec Cal circuitry rather than in the bias oscillator. They are intended to be 270pF, and I assume that you will have 270pF caps installed on the component side of the board. The effect of adding the extra caps to C162/C262 would be to increase the bias current range of the deck. I would guess that the different capacitor values added (100pF to one channel and 200pF to the other channel) would have been determined by measurement to produce the same record response result for the two channels for some particular high bias tape. I haven't ever seen any Nak directive to fiddle with the values of C162/C262 - but nothing surprises me anymore - there could be one. Chances are you've done the right thing in removing the added caps. Whoever added the caps presumably would have adjusted the bias preset pots (VR704,705,706,804,805,806) to suit his/her increased bias current capability. Maybe they were using a tape requiring abnormally high bias current - or maybe they were just misguided. It's interesting to note that on the circuit diagram there are a second pair of caps designated C162/C262 - the second pair are 150pF caps to ground from the first pair. The two pairs of caps constitute a capacitive voltage divider, and feed the bias current to the record head after the preset bias adjust pots. Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:48:35 -1000 From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: Update - RE: [naktalk] Is anyone familiar with this 582 amp repair? To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There were 2 ea 100pf caps soldered in parallel to the leads of C162. There was 1 ea 100pf cap soldered to the leads of C262. One channel had 2, the other had 1. Hmmmmm. Parts list has an error and C162/C262 are listed twice - once in the record amp section and once in the bias oscillator. The listing in the record amp is incorrect - the caps are in the bias osc. Symptoms were: Unable to properly calibrate record level. 400hz tone intermittent and weak. When recording, left channel was very weak and right channel slightly weak. Transport controls would not always stay engaged. Playback of tapes recorded on other decks sounded great. Actions: Cleaned all of the soft-touch transport control switches. Replaced all the PP caps but the ones in the Dolby PB circuit (ran out of caps and PB was fine anyway - caps on backorder). That fixed the 400hz test tone, but didn't fix the weak left channel or REC CAL problem. After staring at those 3 ceramic caps for a while, decided to just remove them. Can now properly set REC CAL. Recording problem fixed - both channels sound great. Transport controls seem to work fine now - will know for sure after it sits overnight. I suspect that someone was trying to fix the problem with the 400 hz oscillator and not only didn't fix it, they additionally broke the recording function. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:49 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] Is anyone familiar with this 582 amp repair? It's a crappy pic, but there are 3 ceramic caps soldered to the solder side of the 582 main board. They appear to be soldered to C162 and C262 in the record amp. They are 100pf each. Does anyone recognize this as a factory modification? Or is this just a JoeBlow mod? Thanks, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <201011031117.oA3B8IqR026221@zxe.naks.com><000101cb7c07$fce06210$f6a12630$@com.au> Message-ID: There do not appear to be 2 physical sets of C162/262. All I could find were the 270pf ceramic caps. Physically they are positioned somewhat between the record amp and the bias oscillator but the PCB side shows they belong to the amp. ck -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:51 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Is anyone familiar with this 582 amp repair? Hi John, I think they were misguided because when I removed them, the recording function started working properly. Prior to removal, the left channel was very weak and the right channel slightly weak on the 3 major types of tape. Now both channels sound great, so yes, they appear to have been in the record amp. The parts list mentions them twice: 1. Record amp as 150pf mica caps 2. Bias oscillator circuit as 270pf ceramic caps. A visual check revealed that the C162/262 I was looking at were 270pf ceramic, which is why I deduced they were in the bias oscillator even though I initially thought they were in the record amp. If they are really in the record amp, then the error is more serious than a simple double listing. The values appear to be swapped. 582 owners might want to note this on their parts list. From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sat Nov 6 04:19:08 2010 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 22:19:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck In-Reply-To: References: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org> <60DE7AEDF5C641D6BDB608FABBEF4844@dykefdc8275b7a> <4CA8AF72.2020005@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have the service manual. Check the FM tuner, These use Sony front ends which suffer from leaking electrolytic caps inside the tuner pack. Soundwise the cassette is average, but the deck does have CD changer controls. tom brucker On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > > I just acquired a Nakamichi RD-460 automotive Receiver/Cassette Deck. It > looks like it was rarely used. > > > > Is anyone familiar with these units? Know of any common problems to look > for? Any NakTalker with a service manual for this thing? > > > > I have a few days to decide whether to keep it or return it, so any > help/pointers will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > > > PS. Also just acquired a Brand New Sony WMD3 Cassette Recorder/Player. It > has Dolby, Hi/Normal tape settings, Vu-meters, battery level indicator, > line-in, protective case and mic input. Someone bought it years ago, took > out the headphones for another unit, lost the mic, never used the WMD3, and > finally decided to sell it since cassettes are “out”. It’s really nice, > sounds great and is small enough to take on my daily walks. It seems I’ve > caught the cassette bug again… From 1 broken deck to 5 working decks in just > a few months. This wasn’t supposed to happen – the cassettes were supposed > to go… > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sat Nov 6 04:29:03 2010 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 22:29:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 92, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: <340643.61227.qm@web114709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <201010301017.o9UA8AQu010866@zxe.naks.com> <340643.61227.qm@web114709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: SInce Patty hasn't responded I'll tell you what i learned from her. About 40% of the parts were purchased by ESL. The Nak America folks knew pretty soon after Nakamichi was sold that the new company was clueless and cared little about service. Patty arranged the ESL sale, and contacted all the remaining ASCs to stock up on parts. I recall ordering a few common parts, naievely thinking the parts would surely continue to be for sale. About 30% went into a dumpster. One person pulled quite a number of the trashed parts out, but their fate is unknown. Most of the parts in overseas facilities were stolen or disposed of rather soon after the company was sold. I doubt there were any broken decks, and I'm sure any remaining inventory was sold through dealers. tom brucker .. On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:58 PM, eric benson wrote: > A question for Patty: > > > > What happened to all the broken decks and Nak parts when Nakamichi > Torrance closed? > > > > Thanks > > > > Eric B > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 6 22:18:52 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 11:18:52 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck In-Reply-To: References: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org><60DE7AEDF5C641D6BDB608FABBEF4844@dykefdc8275b7a><4CA8AF72.2020005@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks Tom! I'll examine the guts. It's going in my antique Datsun 240z so sound quality isn't a huge issue due to lots of road noise. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:19 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck I have the service manual. Check the FM tuner, These use Sony front ends which suffer from leaking electrolytic caps inside the tuner pack. Soundwise the cassette is average, but the deck does have CD changer controls. tom brucker On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: I just acquired a Nakamichi RD-460 automotive Receiver/Cassette Deck. It looks like it was rarely used. Is anyone familiar with these units? Know of any common problems to look for? Any NakTalker with a service manual for this thing? I have a few days to decide whether to keep it or return it, so any help/pointers will be greatly appreciated. Aloha, Cheryl PS. Also just acquired a Brand New Sony WMD3 Cassette Recorder/Player. It has Dolby, Hi/Normal tape settings, Vu-meters, battery level indicator, line-in, protective case and mic input. Someone bought it years ago, took out the headphones for another unit, lost the mic, never used the WMD3, and finally decided to sell it since cassettes are "out". It's really nice, sounds great and is small enough to take on my daily walks. It seems I've caught the cassette bug again. From 1 broken deck to 5 working decks in just a few months. This wasn't supposed to happen - the cassettes were supposed to go. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 7 16:15:47 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 07:15:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] An Appeal! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <640219.4609.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, Does anyone here have the B&O user manual for the Beocord 9000 cassette deck? Please respond to my email if you do and can share it. Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 14:08:07 2010 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:08:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak and Datsuns Message-ID: <201011071309.oA7D8Nxv006552@zxe.naks.com> Great combination Cheryl! Nak and 240Zs are vintage Janpanese all the way and both classics. I have a '63 Triumph TR4. Not from Nippon and no music here other than the sound of the sweet little 4 cylinder. Rob ============================================================================ To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Tom! I'll examine the guts. It's going in my antique Datsun 240z so sound quality isn't a huge issue due to lots of road noise. Aloha, Cheryl From fharaszti at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 15:08:14 2010 From: fharaszti at gmail.com (ferenc haraszti) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:08:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start Message-ID: Hi, this is my first post, but I'm a long time reader here. Thanks to everyone for the very informative replies and help provided! My left capstan motor doesn't start every time. If I press the power button 2-4 times, eventually it starts. The right capstan motor starts each time. Once the motor has started up, I can play in both directions without any problem. Any help would be appreciated and thank you in advance! Best, Feri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Nov 7 18:09:19 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:09:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Id suggest clean old grease first. The relube then recheck. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 07/11/2010, a las 15:08, ferenc haraszti escribió: > Hi, this is my first post, but I'm a long time reader here. Thanks to > everyone for the very informative replies and help provided! > > My left capstan motor doesn't start every time. If I press the power > button 2-4 times, eventually it starts. The right capstan motor starts > each time. Once the motor has started up, I can play in both directions > without any problem. > > Any help would be appreciated and thank you in advance! > > Best, > Feri > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 18:27:46 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:27:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First step: Turn the flywheel by hand, and see if the bearing is sticky. If it is, carefully take it apart - then clean and lube with good machine oil. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:08 AM, ferenc haraszti wrote: > Hi, this is my first post, but I'm a long time reader here. Thanks to > everyone for the very informative replies and help provided! > > My left capstan motor doesn't start every time. If I press the power > button 2-4 times, eventually it starts. The right capstan motor starts > each time. Once the motor has started up, I can play in both directions > without any problem. > > Any help would be appreciated and thank you in advance! > > Best, > Feri > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 7 19:24:50 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:24:50 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak and Datsuns In-Reply-To: <201011071309.oA7D8Nxv006552@zxe.naks.com> References: <201011071309.oA7D8Nxv006552@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: It's a small world. My 2nd car was a Triumph Spitfire and it had an AM radio. :-) I was too poor for a TR4 back then, but several friends owned them and they were a lot of fun. My poor old 240z has seen better days. Bought it new in '71 and the metal is getting pretty thin in spots but it still runs strong. It's kind of like driving a fast tractor. I've had it so long and always said that when it dies it will become a planter box. Another 5 years in this humidity and it will be filled with heliconia and ginger. It's kind of like my old stereo gear -- never could part with it. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of RSB Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 3:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak and Datsuns Great combination Cheryl! Nak and 240Zs are vintage Janpanese all the way and both classics. I have a '63 Triumph TR4. Not from Nippon and no music here other than the sound of the sweet little 4 cylinder. Rob From chartz at club-internet.fr Sun Nov 7 18:17:47 2010 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:17:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] An Appeal! In-Reply-To: <640219.4609.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <640219.4609.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7FDBE4BD-E695-4F8A-B836-A312C6789217@club-internet.fr> I have it, in German, but you will find it here: http://www.audiocircuit.com/Home-Audio/Bang-and-Olufsen/Beocord-9000-C Le 7 nov. 2010 à 16:15, shanti ramachandran a écrit : > > > Hi, > > Does anyone here have the B&O user manual for the Beocord 9000 cassette deck? > > Please respond to my email if you do and can share it. > > Ram. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Nov 7 19:10:34 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:10:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck Message-ID: <118030.63037.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Aloha, Cheryl PS. Also just acquired a Brand New Sony WMD3 Cassette Recorder/Player. It has Dolby, Hi/Normal tape settings, Vu-meters, battery level indicator, line-in, protective case and mic input. Someone bought it years ago, took out the headphones for another unit, lost the mic, never used the WMD3, and finally decided to sell it since cassettes are "out". It's really nice, sounds great and is small enough to take on my daily walks. It seems I've caught the cassette bug again. From 1 broken deck to 5 working decks in just a few months. This wasn't supposed to happen - the cassettes were supposed to go. Cheryl, You have courage (and the disease)...I'll give ya that! There's no way I'm bringing my cassette format ever outside again. I cringe at the thought of even seeing another cassette carrying case again.;-) I even pulled a very nice original Becker head unit out of my car that had Dolby C. But the tuner & the Bose amp were originally in the back and were stolen. All six original speakers were paper cones etc....just too much of a headache to restore everything to original. So I went with the latest neon-boy-racer crap with moving displays, satellite, Ipod, mp3, USB port, CD, crossovers for the neodymium tweeters etc. I honestly don't think it sounds much better than the original, but it is what it is. Still have the Becker head unit though.;-) I have a '73 Datsun 240Z with Weber carbs....you're correct; very noisy but still fun to drive! Has the original radio and I don't really care to change it out. These cars are a restorers dream, virtually everything for them is still made. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 7 21:02:52 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:02:52 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fred, would the same hold true for the 582 idler motor? It doesn't want to start turning but if given a little assistance it starts turning. It always does this when the unit is cold. After a few attempts at getting it going and letting it run, it starts working and continues to work fine until the deck is turned off for a few hours or more. Then it's back to giving it assistance. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 7:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start First step: Turn the flywheel by hand, and see if the bearing is sticky. If it is, carefully take it apart - then clean and lube with good machine oil. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:08 AM, ferenc haraszti wrote: Hi, this is my first post, but I'm a long time reader here. Thanks to everyone for the very informative replies and help provided! My left capstan motor doesn't start every time. If I press the power button 2-4 times, eventually it starts. The right capstan motor starts each time. Once the motor has started up, I can play in both directions without any problem. Any help would be appreciated and thank you in advance! Best, Feri ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 7 21:30:14 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:30:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] An Appeal! In-Reply-To: <7FDBE4BD-E695-4F8A-B836-A312C6789217@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: <860757.72809.qm@web112719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks. Ram --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Jacques Frantz wrote: From: Jacques Frantz Subject: Re: [naktalk] An Appeal! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 12:17 PM I have it, in German, but you will find it here:  http://www.audiocircuit.com/Home-Audio/Bang-and-Olufsen/Beocord-9000-C Le 7 nov. 2010 à 16:15, shanti ramachandran a écrit : Hi, Does anyone here have the B&O user manual for the Beocord 9000 cassette deck? Please respond to my email if you do and can share it. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 7 22:43:48 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:43:48 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck In-Reply-To: <118030.63037.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <118030.63037.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don't know about courage, but I'm a little cuckoo. "Latest neon-boy-racer crap" will always be in my other car (300zx - a real z-car fan here). Ah, Webers! Did it make a big speed diff? I actually have a brand-new set of SU carbs in my closet. The last time I checked (about 2003) they listed for about $2600. The old rebuilt ones are working fine, so the new ones remain shiny. Maybe someday another fanatic will buy them. Every time I drive the 240z I get several offers to buy it. The original radio is in a box along with the first FM radio I installed. Last time I checked they all still worked. The speaker may be there too - but the paper probably rotted away. A few months ago, when I finally unboxed my gear after 5 years, the intention was to transfer all the cassettes and records to CD and be done with them. Then my Nak didn't work right - the eject mechanism broke and while fixing that the nut broke off the tape guide and one channel was missing with Dolby ON. I bought a cheap cassette deck from walmart with a preamp out and was going to use that with a 12V battery to transfer the cassettes but didn't like the sound. But they sounded pretty good in the 581 even without Dolby and it fired up my interest again. While searching for repair info, I found NakTalk and a thriving Nak community. It was a BIG surprise. So I decided to fix my unit, but got impatient and bought a lovely 682zx from Willy. Then I bought a 582 parts deck and found out it worked pretty good and sounded great. Then I managed to fix the 581 and it works great now. Hubby still doesn't know about the 682zx. Because of the display, I think he thinks it is an equalizer of some sort. He thinks it is bad enough that I've had 2 decks spread out on the dining table and keeps asking what I'm going to do with TWO cassette decks.Little does he know it is actually 6 now.581, 582, 682zx, RD-460, Sony WMD-3, and the Walmart special. I go for long walks every day and much prefer the sound of cassettes to MP3. For fun, I copied some songs from my MP3 to cassette with the Nak. UGH. They sound horrible. It's just not the same as a tape recorded from vinyl or CD. I have an old high end Sony Discman (from about '88) that is pristine. I made a few tapes on my 581 using the Sony discman on the dining table and they sounded wonderful. The other thing that got me back into cassettes was finding several of my store-bought CD's were disintegrating - the mylar was flaking off some discs. So much for the long life of CD's. But most of the old cassettes that were recorded on the Nak still sounded pretty good after 30 years. So my favorite albums are going to be archived on cassette and my records aren't going away either. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck Cheryl, You have courage (and the disease)...I'll give ya that! There's no way I'm bringing my cassette format ever outside again. I cringe at the thought of even seeing another cassette carrying case again.;-) I even pulled a very nice original Becker head unit out of my car that had Dolby C. But the tuner & the Bose amp were originally in the back and were stolen. All six original speakers were paper cones etc....just too much of a headache to restore everything to original. So I went with the latest neon-boy-racer crap with moving displays, satellite, Ipod, mp3, USB port, CD, crossovers for the neodymium tweeters etc. I honestly don't think it sounds much better than the original, but it is what it is. Still have the Becker head unit though.;-) I have a '73 Datsun 240Z with Weber carbs....you're correct; very noisy but still fun to drive! Has the original radio and I don't really care to change it out. These cars are a restorers dream, virtually everything for them is still made. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 22:58:13 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:58:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cheryl, I lube small DC motors with Teflon lube. WD-40 and machine oil don't work as well. Also, always check to see if the motor has the proper drive voltage. (Use a DMM on DC volts.) With many DC servo-motors, one diagnostic trick is to disconnect one wire from the motor and then hang a DMM (on ohms function) across the motor. Then, rotate the motor gradually, and note the resistance. If it dips to just a couple of ohms (or less) at some point as you turn it, then you know the motor probably has a commutator failure. We've had some success repairing motors with a commutator failure. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > Fred, would the same hold true for the 582 idler motor? It doesn’t want > to start turning but if given a little assistance it starts turning. It > always does this when the unit is cold. After a few attempts at getting it > going and letting it run, it starts working and continues to work fine until > the deck is turned off for a few hours or more. Then it’s back to giving it > assistance. > > Cheryl > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* Sunday, November 07, 2010 7:28 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start > > > > First step: Turn the flywheel by hand, and see if the bearing is sticky. If > it is, carefully take it apart - then clean and lube with good machine oil. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:08 AM, ferenc haraszti > wrote: > > Hi, this is my first post, but I'm a long time reader here. Thanks to > everyone for the very informative replies and help provided! > > My left capstan motor doesn't start every time. If I press the power > button 2-4 times, eventually it starts. The right capstan motor starts > each time. Once the motor has started up, I can play in both directions > without any problem. > > Any help would be appreciated and thank you in advance! > > Best, > Feri > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 8 01:57:32 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:57:32 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay. That sounds easy. Will have to locate some Teflon lube. The unit looks much better on the rack with the face plate on rather than permanently off. :-) Thanks yet again Fred! Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start Cheryl, I lube small DC motors with Teflon lube. WD-40 and machine oil don't work as well. Also, always check to see if the motor has the proper drive voltage. (Use a DMM on DC volts.) With many DC servo-motors, one diagnostic trick is to disconnect one wire from the motor and then hang a DMM (on ohms function) across the motor. Then, rotate the motor gradually, and note the resistance. If it dips to just a couple of ohms (or less) at some point as you turn it, then you know the motor probably has a commutator failure. We've had some success repairing motors with a commutator failure. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Fred, would the same hold true for the 582 idler motor? It doesn't want to start turning but if given a little assistance it starts turning. It always does this when the unit is cold. After a few attempts at getting it going and letting it run, it starts working and continues to work fine until the deck is turned off for a few hours or more. Then it's back to giving it assistance. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 7:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start First step: Turn the flywheel by hand, and see if the bearing is sticky. If it is, carefully take it apart - then clean and lube with good machine oil. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:08 AM, ferenc haraszti wrote: Hi, this is my first post, but I'm a long time reader here. Thanks to everyone for the very informative replies and help provided! My left capstan motor doesn't start every time. If I press the power button 2-4 times, eventually it starts. The right capstan motor starts each time. Once the motor has started up, I can play in both directions without any problem. Any help would be appreciated and thank you in advance! 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URL: From fharaszti at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 23:37:03 2010 From: fharaszti at gmail.com (ferenc haraszti) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:37:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start Message-ID: Thanks for the replies! The motor turns easily, I doubt lubrication is the problem. I could compare the symptom to what I've run into with air handlers: the motor will not start on its own, but with a little assistance it starts up. Easy fix is to replace the run capacitor. But I don't know if the DC servo motor in the Dragon has such a part. And, if there is, which capacitor is it? I can see the flywheel moving back and forth when I press the power button, and if I press it again at "right moment", the motor starts up. I bought this deck off Craigslist for a backup, but the truth is, it's in a much better shape cosmetically than my other Dragon. 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I have remedied most of the issues (belts via http://www.wjoe.com/vintageandantiques.htm#nakamichi belt kits - excellent instructions, missing screws, broken solder joints, stuck pressure roller arms), but I am in need of the following parts to continue the repair: Part Number Description Qty 0C08020B Thrust washer, 2.6 mm 2 0C08021B Thrust washer, 3.1 mm 2 0E03023A Stopper Ring, 8 mm 2 0C08347A Washer, 3.1 mm FT 1 0C08345A Capstan Washer, 3.0 mm 1 0C08348A Washer, 2.6 mm FT 1 0308346A Capstan Washer, 2.5 mm 1 The problem I have is that while the capstan motors start upon turning on the power, they accelerate to a velocity (appears way too fast for 1-7/8 in/sec) in which a noise and vibration is heard, isolated to the 2.6 mm shaft diameter (Al alloy flywheel) one. That flywheel has 3.1 mm thrust washers installed, even though the shaft is 2.6 mm in diameter. Then they turn off and gradually they slow down, with the Al alloy flywheel stopping a few seconds prior to the brass alloy flywheel (3.1 mm shaft). Neither capstan motor will turn on when either forward or reverse play button is pressed. The first and last four parts on the list above are missing. I have to turn off the unit for about 30 seconds or more for the capstan motors to turn on again upon power on. Shorter turn off periods will result in the capstan motors not turning on upon main power on. I have not adjusted the thrust screws yet, mainly because the flywheels have the 0.7 mm gap as specified in Fig 2.19 of the service manual. Both flywheels and capstan shafts are true and not bent. Is it possible that a capstan power transistor has failed yet the motors will still rotate upon power-on? I have not de-soldered them, but they appear fine with a ohm meter. Will a failed transistor cause a vibration and noise problem? Will the wrong hole diameter thrust washer cause a vibration problem? Is the lack of capstan motor power on upon play be related to the initial vibration upon power on? Any other recommended thoughts and procedures to check? Do you know where I may purchase the parts list? Thank you in advance for your reply. Sincerely yours, Rich Thissell From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Nov 8 07:29:43 2010 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:29:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] No cassette door push Message-ID: The pneumatic damper on my ZX-9 no longer pushes the door open. Can it be recharged? David From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Nov 8 09:42:57 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 00:42:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <292970.33192.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is a Direct Drive motor require DD motor control board issue - not an easy fix unless attended by a trained Dragon service tech You can try replacing the out put Power Transistor - it does not work always Kannan --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 4:58 PM Cheryl, I lube small DC motors with Teflon lube. WD-40 and machine oil don't work as well. Also, always check to see if the motor has the proper drive voltage. (Use a DMM on DC volts.) With many DC servo-motors, one diagnostic trick is to disconnect one wire from the motor and then hang a DMM (on ohms function) across the motor. Then, rotate the motor gradually, and note the resistance. If it dips to just a couple of ohms (or less) at some point as you turn it, then you know the motor probably has a commutator failure. We've had some success repairing motors with a commutator failure. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Fred, would the same hold true for the 582 idler motor? It doesn’t want to start turning but if given a little assistance it starts turning. It always does this when the unit is cold. After a few attempts at getting it going and letting it run, it starts working and continues to work fine until the deck is turned off for a few hours or more. Then it’s back to giving it assistance. Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 7:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start   First step: Turn the flywheel by hand, and see if the bearing is sticky. If it is, carefully take it apart - then clean and lube with good machine oil. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:08 AM, ferenc haraszti wrote: Hi, this is my first post, but I'm a long time reader here. Thanks to everyone for the very informative replies and help provided! My left capstan motor doesn't start every time. If I press the power button 2-4 times, eventually it starts. The right capstan motor starts each time. Once the motor has started up, I can play in both directions without any problem. Any help would be appreciated and thank you in advance! 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 10:06:58 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:06:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At this point, I would pull out my DMM and oscilloscope and make comparisons between the drive circuit on the good side and the drive circuit on the bad side. This isn't a simple AC motor. It has a complex direct-drive circuit intended to maintain speed to an EXTREMELY high level of stability. If it has to get a "kick" from your hand at just the right point, it may be that one of the drive coils is not firing properly. Do you have a copy of the service manual for the Dragon? Or, at the very least, a copy of the schematic diagram for the motor drive circuits? * * * * * Also, please don't take this wrong, but just because a set "looks better" doesn't guarantee that it runs and sounds better. I frequently combine machines to make one good one, and it's not unusual for a set that's prettier to donate its frontpanel to a set that looks poorer but runs better. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:37 PM, ferenc haraszti wrote: > Thanks for the replies! The motor turns easily, I doubt lubrication is the > problem. > I could compare the symptom to what I've run into with air handlers: the > motor will > not start on its own, but with a little assistance it starts up. Easy fix > is to replace > the run capacitor. But I don't know if the DC servo motor in the Dragon has > such > a part. And, if there is, which capacitor is it? I can see the flywheel > moving back and > forth when I press the power button, and if I press it again at "right > moment", > the motor starts up. > I bought this deck off Craigslist for a backup, but the truth is, it's in a > much better shape > cosmetically than my other Dragon. I could live with this start-up problem, > but this baby > would be my main machine, if this problem were solved. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 8 15:12:06 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:12:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <152923.89711.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Cheryl, You not cuckoo! if you are the entire naktalk membership is! We are just discriminating individuals with exceptionally good taste and a disease( compulsive obsessive tape addiction).....;) Ram. --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 4:43 PM Don’t know about courage, but I’m a little cuckoo…   “Latest neon-boy-racer crap” will always be in my other car (300zx – a real z-car fan here).   Ah, Webers! Did it make a big speed diff?  I actually have a brand-new set of SU carbs in my closet. The last time I checked (about 2003) they listed for about $2600. The old rebuilt ones are working fine, so the new ones remain shiny… Maybe someday another fanatic will buy them. Every time I drive the 240z I get several offers to buy it. The original radio is in a box along with the first FM radio I installed. Last time I checked they all still worked. The speaker may be there too – but the paper probably rotted away.   A few months ago, when I finally unboxed my gear after 5 years, the intention was to transfer all the cassettes and records to CD and be done with them. Then my Nak didn’t work right – the eject mechanism broke and while fixing that the nut broke off the tape guide and one channel was missing with Dolby ON . I bought a cheap cassette deck from walmart with a preamp out and was going to use that with a 12V battery to transfer the cassettes but didn’t like the sound. But they sounded pretty good in the 581 even without Dolby and it fired up my interest again. While searching for repair info, I found NakTalk and a thriving Nak community. It was a BIG surprise. So I decided to fix my unit, but got impatient and bought a lovely 682zx from Willy. Then I bought a 582 parts deck and found out it worked pretty good and sounded great. Then I managed to fix the 581 and it works great now. Hubby still doesn’t know about the 682zx. Because of the display, I think he thinks it is an equalizer of some sort. He thinks it is bad enough that I’ve had 2 decks spread out on the dining table and keeps asking what I’m going to do with TWO cassette decks…Little does he know it is actually 6 now…581, 582, 682zx, RD-460, Sony WMD-3, and the Walmart special.   I go for long walks every day and much prefer the sound of cassettes to MP3. For fun, I copied some songs from my MP3 to cassette with the Nak. UGH. They sound horrible. It’s just not the same as a tape recorded from vinyl or CD. I have an old high end Sony Discman (from about ’88) that is pristine. I made a few tapes on my 581 using the Sony discman on the dining table and they sounded wonderful.   The other thing that got me back into cassettes was finding several of my store-bought CD’s were disintegrating – the mylar was flaking off some discs. So much for the long life of CD’s. But most of the old cassettes that were recorded on the Nak still sounded pretty good after 30 years. So my favorite albums are going to be archived on cassette and my records aren’t going away either.   Cheryl     From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck   Cheryl, You have courage (and the disease)...I'll give ya that! There's no way I'm bringing my cassette format ever outside again. I cringe at the thought of even seeing another cassette carrying case again.;-) I even pulled a very nice original Becker head unit out of my car that had Dolby C. But the tuner & the Bose amp were originally in the back and were stolen. All six original speakers were paper cones etc....just too much of a headache to restore everything to original. So I went with the latest neon-boy-racer crap with moving displays, satellite, Ipod, mp3, USB port, CD, crossovers for the neodymium tweeters etc. I honestly don't think it sounds much better than the original, but it is what it is. Still have the Becker head unit though.;-) I have a '73 Datsun 240Z with Weber carbs....you're correct; very noisy but still fun to drive! Has the original radio and I don't really care to change it out. These cars are a restorers dream, virtually everything for them is still made. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fharaszti at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 11:48:03 2010 From: fharaszti at gmail.com (ferenc haraszti) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:48:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start Message-ID: I do have the service manual, even a DMM. And I would be able to replace a capacitor, or a transistor. But I'm not a trained tech, nor I have a scope. I think I'll let a Nak. tech. deal with it, when money allows me. Fred, I've already replaced the front panel, etc. This newer (to me) deck sounds as good as the first one, but when I'm doing tape calibration, the levels are more stable as well. Inside and out this second deck seems to have fewer hours and that's why I said it looks better. I live in central North Carolina, and I'm wondering if there is any good service around here. I don't have the original box/packing materials, so it would be safer to get it done locally. The more I read your replies, the stronger I feel I better not mess with it :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 14:24:22 2010 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:24:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and Audio Message-ID: <201011081325.oA8DOcK1011015@zxe.naks.com> Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the question. How many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have something that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have some interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only please), just let us know what you got. MEMBER RIDE CHERYL '71 240z Rob '63 TR4 ROB From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Mon Nov 8 15:08:42 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:08:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Capstan Motor Problem Diagnosis Assistance Request and Parts Needed In-Reply-To: <0LBJ00MW0LUO7RC4@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LBJ00MW0LUO7RC4@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <47333.50277.qm@web55105.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Rich, ESL (www.nakamichi.us) might have the parts you need.  They purchased many factory parts from Nakamichi when the original Nakamichi company went out of business. Jayson   ________________________________ From: Rich Thissell To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 8:37:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Capstan Motor Problem Diagnosis Assistance Request and Parts Needed Dear Naktalk community,     I am repairing a Nakamichi Dragon purchased on eBay, serial number somewhere in the 24xxx range.  Apparently a previous attempt to repair the unit was performed by someone insufficiently skilled to properly execute the task.  I have remedied most of the issues (belts via http://www.wjoe.com/vintageandantiques.htm#nakamichi belt kits - excellent instructions, missing screws, broken solder joints, stuck pressure roller arms), but I am in need of the following parts to continue the repair: Part Number        Description        Qty 0C08020B    Thrust washer, 2.6 mm        2 0C08021B    Thrust washer, 3.1 mm        2 0E03023A    Stopper Ring, 8 mm        2 0C08347A    Washer, 3.1 mm FT        1 0C08345A    Capstan Washer, 3.0 mm    1 0C08348A    Washer, 2.6 mm FT        1 0308346A    Capstan Washer, 2.5 mm    1     The problem I have is that while the capstan motors start upon turning on the power, they accelerate to a velocity (appears way too fast for 1-7/8 in/sec) in which a noise and vibration is heard, isolated to the 2.6 mm shaft diameter (Al alloy flywheel) one.  That flywheel has 3.1 mm thrust washers installed, even though the shaft is 2.6 mm in diameter.  Then they turn off and gradually they slow down, with the Al alloy flywheel stopping a few seconds prior to the brass alloy flywheel (3.1 mm shaft).  Neither capstan motor will turn on when either forward or reverse play button is pressed.  The first and last four parts on the list above are missing.  I have to turn off the unit for about 30 seconds or more for the capstan motors to turn on again upon power on.  Shorter turn off periods will  result in the capstan motors not turning on upon main power on.  I have not adjusted the thrust screws yet, mainly because the flywheels have the 0.7 mm gap as specified in Fig 2.19 of the service manual.  Both flywheels and capstan shafts are true and not bent.     Is it possible that a capstan power transistor has failed yet the motors will still rotate upon power-on?  I have not de-soldered them, but they appear fine with a ohm meter.  Will a failed transistor cause a vibration and noise problem?  Will the wrong hole diameter thrust washer cause a vibration problem? Is the lack of capstan motor power on upon play be related to the initial vibration upon power on?  Any other recommended thoughts and procedures to check?  Do you know where I may purchase the parts list?     Thank you in advance for your reply. Sincerely yours, Rich Thissell ========---------------------------------------------------------=========         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 8 17:11:28 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:11:28 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck In-Reply-To: <152923.89711.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <152923.89711.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The last few months have felt like I caught a disease.no more room in the car to hide shipping boxes. :-) Don't know where I'm going to hide the Jolida boxes when they arrive..sure hope the old man is out in the south forty when the postman delivers. I'm going to be in so much trouble. Yesterday he discovered that I replaced the surround-sound receiver in my play room. It is nothing fancy but it took him 6 months to notice and I really got "that" look. "Where did this come from?" Guess I can take THAT box out of the car. ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:12 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck Hi Cheryl, You not cuckoo! if you are the entire naktalk membership is! We are just discriminating individuals with exceptionally good taste and a disease( compulsive obsessive tape addiction).....;) Ram. - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 8 17:15:22 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:15:22 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and Audio In-Reply-To: <201011081325.oA8DOcK1011015@zxe.naks.com> References: <201011081325.oA8DOcK1011015@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Updated ck -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of RSB Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and Audio Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the question. How many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have something that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have some interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only please), just let us know what you got. MEMBER RIDE CHERYL '71 240z and '86 300zx -- original owner of both Rob '63 TR4 Kevin '73 240z ROB ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at verizon.net Mon Nov 8 16:47:24 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:47:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and Audio In-Reply-To: <201011081325.oA8DOcK1011015@zxe.naks.com> References: <201011081325.oA8DOcK1011015@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0LBK00622P6YQD30@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> I once had a 1965 GTO Tri-power, a 1967 Pontiac GTO with the SD455 from a 1974 Trans Am, a 1967 Chevelle SS396 CONVERTIBLE. I've only seen three in my life. A 1968 Camara RS350 and a 1971 Duster 340. I raced and restored most of these cars. At 08:24 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am >willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. >We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear >advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the question. How >many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have something >that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile >category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car >in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have some >interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only >please), just let us know what you got. > >MEMBER RIDE >CHERYL '71 240z >Rob '63 TR4 > >ROB > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Nov 8 17:16:09 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:16:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT car talk In-Reply-To: <201011081138.oA8BTeDw010763@zxe.naks.com> References: <201011081138.oA8BTeDw010763@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <581409.53271.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Cheryl, The Webers came on the car and unfortunately, they are cable driven, not linkage activated. So the cables have to be watched for 'stretch'. I can't compare to the SU's because they weren't on the car. And the factory carbs aren't really 'SU's' anyway, but Japanese clones. I had triple SU's on a Jaguar once and they were the real deal. I did rebuild the Webers and they are amazing works of art inside. I even saw a 240 once with a special intake manifold and one big, Holly carb....very strange, but nice working set-up. That much for clone SU's....incredible! You should sell them and buy a Dragon! The cassettes will sound better than mp3's....the mp3 format was originally intended for voice and their algorithms don't actually support music. And yeah properly cared for, tape seems to stand the test of time, except in R2R where there was SSS in some tape brands. My cassettes from the 70's still sound like they did then, although I have to wonder why I recorded what I did....lol Kevin Don't know about courage, but I'm a little cuckoo. "Latest neon-boy-racer crap" will always be in my other car (300zx - a real z-car fan here). Ah, Webers! Did it make a big speed diff? I actually have a brand-new set of SU carbs in my closet. The last time I checked (about 2003) they listed for about $2600. The old rebuilt ones are working fine, so the new ones remain shiny. Maybe someday another fanatic will buy them. Every time I drive the 240z I get several offers to buy it. The original radio is in a box along with the first FM radio I installed. Last time I checked they all still worked. The speaker may be there too - but the paper probably rotted away. A few months ago, when I finally unboxed my gear after 5 years, the intention was to transfer all the cassettes and records to CD and be done with them. Then my Nak didn't work right - the eject mechanism broke and while fixing that the nut broke off the tape guide and one channel was missing with Dolby ON. I bought a cheap cassette deck from walmart with a preamp out and was going to use that with a 12V battery to transfer the cassettes but didn't like the sound. But they sounded pretty good in the 581 even without Dolby and it fired up my interest again. While searching for repair info, I found NakTalk and a thriving Nak community. It was a BIG surprise. So I decided to fix my unit, but got impatient and bought a lovely 682zx from Willy. Then I bought a 582 parts deck and found out it worked pretty good and sounded great. Then I managed to fix the 581 and it works great now. Hubby still doesn't know about the 682zx. Because of the display, I think he thinks it is an equalizer of some sort. He thinks it is bad enough that I've had 2 decks spread out on the dining table and keeps asking what I'm going to do with TWO cassette decks.Little does he know it is actually 6 now.581, 582, 682zx, RD-460, Sony WMD-3, and the Walmart special. I go for long walks every day and much prefer the sound of cassettes to MP3. For fun, I copied some songs from my MP3 to cassette with the Nak. UGH. They sound horrible. It's just not the same as a tape recorded from vinyl or CD. I have an old high end Sony Discman (from about '88) that is pristine. I made a few tapes on my 581 using the Sony discman on the dining table and they sounded wonderful. The other thing that got me back into cassettes was finding several of my store-bought CD's were disintegrating - the mylar was flaking off some discs. So much for the long life of CD's. But most of the old cassettes that were recorded on the Nak still sounded pretty good after 30 years. So my favorite albums are going to be archived on cassette and my records aren't going away either. Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Mon Nov 8 19:10:57 2010 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:10:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio References: <201011081325.oA8DOcK1011015@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000801cb7f70$4ab17680$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Rainer S. '88 BMW 325is original owner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio > > Updated > ck > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of RSB > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:24 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and > Audio > > Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I > am > willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. > We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear > advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the question. > How > many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have something > that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile > category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car > in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have some > interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only > please), just let us know what you got. > > MEMBER RIDE > CHERYL '71 240z and '86 300zx -- original owner of both > Rob '63 TR4 > Kevin '73 240z > > ROB > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From patty at jbrudy.com Mon Nov 8 20:12:00 2010 From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:12:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio In-Reply-To: <0LBK00622P6YQD30@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <201011081325.oA8DOcK1011015@zxe.naks.com> <0LBK00622P6YQD30@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3D422935213B4E0F9FC6E9B8AB4D9090@UserPC> OK, HERE WAS MY OLD LIST 72 PONTIAC 71 NOVA 81 CAMERO AND THE LAST OLD ONE THAT GOT TOTAL WAS MY 71 CADI/4DOOR BROHAM (LOVER THAT BOAT) OH AND I AM JUST 45 AND LOVE OLD CARS PATTY -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 7:47 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio I once had a 1965 GTO Tri-power, a 1967 Pontiac GTO with the SD455 from a 1974 Trans Am, a 1967 Chevelle SS396 CONVERTIBLE. I've only seen three in my life. A 1968 Camara RS350 and a 1971 Duster 340. I raced and restored most of these cars. At 08:24 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am >willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. >We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear >advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the question. How >many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have something >that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile >category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car >in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have some >interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only >please), just let us know what you got. > >MEMBER RIDE >CHERYL '71 240z >Rob '63 TR4 > >ROB > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 8 21:15:43 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:15:43 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT car talk In-Reply-To: <581409.53271.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201011081138.oA8BTeDw010763@zxe.naks.com> <581409.53271.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Cable activated, that's interesting. Used to be on some zcar blogs and some of the guys really went all out on their z's. There are ones out there with V8's and Webers that scream. Others had the original engines souped up and blueprinted. The clones that I have are the highly desirable round-tops - not the square tops. They added new emission controls with the square-tops and they sucked. Used rebuilds were running about $700 if you furnished your core last time I checked. They were a whole lot more without a core. The throttle bushings wear out and cause vacuum leaks and the bushing have to be custom made. Mine were rebuilt with carsan bushings and are holding up nicely. Okay, back to Nakamichi. Lots of Naks are Z's and ZX's too. (Hangs head in shame for stupid joke.) A Dragon? I'm already in so much trouble - don't go putting ideas in my head. Anyone want to swap a really nice Dragon for these things? Any takers? They are still in the original box and they are cool looking. Willy? _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT car talk Cheryl, The Webers came on the car and unfortunately, they are cable driven, not linkage activated. So the cables have to be watched for 'stretch'. I can't compare to the SU's because they weren't on the car. And the factory carbs aren't really 'SU's' anyway, but Japanese clones. I had triple SU's on a Jaguar once and they were the real deal. I did rebuild the Webers and they are amazing works of art inside. I even saw a 240 once with a special intake manifold and one big, Holly carb....very strange, but nice working set-up. That much for clone SU's....incredible! You should sell them and buy a Dragon! The cassettes will sound better than mp3's....the mp3 format was originally intended for voice and their algorithms don't actually support music. And yeah properly cared for, tape seems to stand the test of time, except in R2R where there was SSS in some tape brands. My cassettes from the 70's still sound like they did then, although I have to wonder why I recorded what I did....lol Kevin Don't know about courage, but I'm a little cuckoo. "Latest neon-boy-racer crap" will always be in my other car (300zx - a real z-car fan here). Ah, Webers! Did it make a big speed diff? I actually have a brand-new set of SU carbs in my closet. The last time I checked (about 2003) they listed for about $2600. The old rebuilt ones are working fine, so the new ones remain shiny. Maybe someday another fanatic will buy them. Every time I drive the 240z I get several offers to buy it. The original radio is in a box along with the first FM radio I installed. Last time I checked they all still worked. The speaker may be there too - but the paper probably rotted away. A few months ago, when I finally unboxed my gear after 5 years, the intention was to transfer all the cassettes and records to CD and be done with them. Then my Nak didn't work right - the eject mechanism broke and while fixing that the nut broke off the tape guide and one channel was missing with Dolby ON. I bought a cheap cassette deck from walmart with a preamp out and was going to use that with a 12V battery to transfer the cassettes but didn't like the sound. But they sounded pretty good in the 581 even without Dolby and it fired up my interest again. While searching for repair info, I found NakTalk and a thriving Nak community. It was a BIG surprise. So I decided to fix my unit, but got impatient and bought a lovely 682zx from Willy. Then I bought a 582 parts deck and found out it worked pretty good and sounded great. Then I managed to fix the 581 and it works great now. Hubby still doesn't know about the 682zx. Because of the display, I think he thinks it is an equalizer of some sort. He thinks it is bad enough that I've had 2 decks spread out on the dining table and keeps asking what I'm going to do with TWO cassette decks.Little does he know it is actually 6 now.581, 582, 682zx, RD-460, Sony WMD-3, and the Walmart special. I go for long walks every day and much prefer the sound of cassettes to MP3. For fun, I copied some songs from my MP3 to cassette with the Nak. UGH. They sound horrible. It's just not the same as a tape recorded from vinyl or CD. I have an old high end Sony Discman (from about '88) that is pristine. I made a few tapes on my 581 using the Sony discman on the dining table and they sounded wonderful. The other thing that got me back into cassettes was finding several of my store-bought CD's were disintegrating - the mylar was flaking off some discs. So much for the long life of CD's. But most of the old cassettes that were recorded on the Nak still sounded pretty good after 30 years. So my favorite albums are going to be archived on cassette and my records aren't going away either. Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, here's the question. How > many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have something > that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile > category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car > in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have some > interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only > please), just let us know what you got. > > MEMBER RIDE > CHERYL '71 240z and '86 300zx -- original owner of both > Rob '63 TR4 > Kevin '73 240z > > ROB > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Mon Nov 8 21:11:58 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:11:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio In-Reply-To: <000801cb7f70$4ab17680$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <201011081325.oA8DOcK1011015@zxe.naks.com> <000801cb7f70$4ab17680$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Derrick B. 1970 Pontiac Trans Am. From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 8 22:15:28 2010 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:15:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio In-Reply-To: <000801cb7f70$4ab17680$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <398960.47888.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Original owner of a 1984 Mazda RX-7 and a Sony SLHF 500 Hi-Fi beta vcr. I also have a Sony VHS machine that is at least 10 years newer than the beta which I got in '85. Despite the difference in age the beta machine still makes a far better recording. I am still using Klispch La Scala speakers that I bought used in the summer of '79 that will knock your socks off. Sadly, my original Nak 500 died, but I now have two BX-300s although one is probably enough.   Larry --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote: From: Rainer & Joy-Ell Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 1:10 PM Rainer S.  '88 BMW 325is original owner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio > > Updated > ck > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of RSB > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:24 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and > Audio > > Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am > willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. > We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear > advantages, not the least of which is style.  So, here's the question. How > many of you now own a collectible car?    If you currently have something > that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile > category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car > in recent years, let us know.  I am betting that a few of us have some > interesting old rides.   No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only > please), just let us know what you got. > > MEMBER    RIDE > CHERYL    '71 240z and '86 300zx -- original owner of both > Rob       '63 TR4 > Kevin     '73 240z > > ROB > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 8-Nov-10, at 1:10 PM, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote: > Rainer S. '88 BMW 325is original owner > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:15 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - > Automobiles andAudio > > >> >> Updated >> ck >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of RSB >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:24 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles >> and >> Audio >> >> Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a >> TR4) , I am >> willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in >> common. >> We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some >> clear >> advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the >> question. How >> many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have >> something >> that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible >> automobile >> category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had >> such a car >> in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have >> some >> interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline >> only >> please), just let us know what you got. >> >> MEMBER RIDE >> CHERYL '71 240z and '86 300zx -- original owner of both >> Rob '63 TR4 >> Kevin '73 240z >> >> ROB >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From jpmoss2 at netzero.com Tue Nov 9 04:39:26 2010 From: jpmoss2 at netzero.com (jim phillips) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:39:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio In-Reply-To: <000801cb7f70$4ab17680$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <201011081325.oA8DOcK1011015@zxe.naks.com> <000801cb7f70$4ab17680$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: I 'm running 3 Nak/ADS 2002 systems(nak 250 with biamped ads 200 speakers) in three of my vinage Vw's... 1982 vw vanagon capmper 1967 standard bus shareed with a 55 westfalia vw camper. 1955 vw bug convertable shared with a 56 sunfrrof bug. My now vintage 88 spg saab has a nak td1200 sytem. My dally driver has a nak td700 with all vintage 80's Nak amps and speakers. Gota buy more Naks as I still have another 5 vintage vw's that need tunes from 47 to 52. Still the nak 2002 sytem is the one to have when just adding it for the day or weekend. At 01:10 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >Rainer S. '88 BMW 325is original owner > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:15 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - >Automobiles andAudio > > >> >>Updated >>ck >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>Of RSB >>Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:24 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and >>Audio >> >>Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am >>willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. >>We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear >>advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the question. How >>many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have something >>that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile >>category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car >>in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have some >>interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only >>please), just let us know what you got. >> >>MEMBER RIDE >>CHERYL '71 240z and '86 300zx -- original owner of both >>Rob '63 TR4 >>Kevin '73 240z >> >>ROB >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________ $350,000 Life Insurance Coverage as low as $13.04/month. Free, No Obligation Quotes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4cd8c26cd5ccf1d8094st01vuc From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 9 17:03:18 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:03:18 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio In-Reply-To: References: <201011081325.oA8DOcK1011015@zxe.naks.com><000801cb7f70$4ab17680$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: WOW. It appears Rob was right. This is a very interesting survey. ck -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jim phillips Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:39 PM To: Rainer & Joy-Ell; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio I 'm running 3 Nak/ADS 2002 systems(nak 250 with biamped ads 200 speakers) in three of my vinage Vw's... 1982 vw vanagon capmper 1967 standard bus shareed with a 55 westfalia vw camper. 1955 vw bug convertable shared with a 56 sunfrrof bug. My now vintage 88 spg saab has a nak td1200 sytem. My dally driver has a nak td700 with all vintage 80's Nak amps and speakers. Gota buy more Naks as I still have another 5 vintage vw's that need tunes from 47 to 52. Still the nak 2002 sytem is the one to have when just adding it for the day or weekend. At 01:10 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >Rainer S. '88 BMW 325is original owner > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:15 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - >Automobiles andAudio > > >> >>Updated >>ck >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>Of RSB >>Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:24 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and >>Audio >> >>Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am >>willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. >>We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear >>advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the question. How >>many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have something >>that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile >>category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car >>in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have some >>interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only >>please), just let us know what you got. >> >>MEMBER RIDE >>CHERYL '71 240z and '86 300zx -- original owner of both >>Rob '63 TR4 >>Kevin '73 240z >> >>ROB >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________ $350,000 Life Insurance Coverage as low as $13.04/month. Free, No Obligation Quotes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4cd8c26cd5ccf1d8094st01vuc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 19:02:50 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:02:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon left capstan motor will not always start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ferenc, On a scale of 1-10 as far as complexity of service, I would give the Dragon a full 10. Okay you mid-Atlantic Nak servicers, who wants to take a shot at helping Feranc? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:48 AM, ferenc haraszti wrote: > I do have the service manual, even a DMM. And I would be able to replace a > capacitor, or a transistor. > But I'm not a trained tech, nor I have a scope. I think I'll let a Nak. > tech. deal with it, when money allows me. > > Fred, I've already replaced the front panel, etc. This newer (to me) deck > sounds as good as the first one, > but when I'm doing tape calibration, the levels are more stable as well. > Inside and out this second deck > seems to have fewer hours and that's why I said it looks better. I live in > central North Carolina, and I'm > wondering if there is any good service around here. I don't have the > original box/packing materials, so it > would be safer to get it done locally. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 9 20:24:22 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 09:24:22 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Capstan Motor Problem DiagnosisAssistance Request and Parts Needed In-Reply-To: <47333.50277.qm@web55105.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <0LBJ00MW0LUO7RC4@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <47333.50277.qm@web55105.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Fred also has belts on ebay for other models. _____ From: Rich Thissell To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 8:37:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Capstan Motor Problem Diagnosis Assistance Request and Parts Needed Dear Naktalk community, I am repairing a Nakamichi Dragon purchased on eBay, serial number somewhere in the 24xxx range. Apparently a previous attempt to repair the unit was performed by someone insufficiently skilled to properly execute the task. I have remedied most of the issues (belts via http://www.wjoe.com/vintageandantiques.htm#nakamichi belt kits - excellent instructions, missing screws, broken solder joints, stuck pressure roller arms), but I am in need of the following parts to continue the repair: Part Number Description Qty 0C08020B Thrust washer, 2.6 mm 2 0C08021B Thrust washer, 3.1 mm 2 0E03023A Stopper Ring, 8 mm 2 0C08347A Washer, 3.1 mm FT 1 0C08345A Capstan Washer, 3.0 mm 1 0C08348A Washer, 2.6 mm FT 1 0308346A Capstan Washer, 2.5 mm 1 The problem I have is that while the capstan motors start upon turning on the power, they accelerate to a velocity (appears way too fast for 1-7/8 in/sec) in which a noise and vibration is heard, isolated to the 2.6 mm shaft diameter (Al alloy flywheel) one. That flywheel has 3.1 mm thrust washers installed, even though the shaft is 2.6 mm in diameter. Then they turn off and gradually they slow down, with the Al alloy flywheel stopping a few seconds prior to the brass alloy flywheel (3.1 mm shaft). Neither capstan motor will turn on when either forward or reverse play button is pressed. The first and last four parts on the list above are missing. I have to turn off the unit for about 30 seconds or more for the capstan motors to turn on again upon power on. Shorter turn off periods will result in the capstan motors not turning on upon main power on. I have not adjusted the thrust screws yet, mainly because the flywheels have the 0.7 mm gap as specified in Fig 2.19 of the service manual. Both flywheels and capstan shafts are true and not bent. Is it possible that a capstan power transistor has failed yet the motors will still rotate upon power-on? I have not de-soldered them, but they appear fine with a ohm meter. Will a failed transistor cause a vibration and noise problem? Will the wrong hole diameter thrust washer cause a vibration problem? Is the lack of capstan motor power on upon play be related to the initial vibration upon power on? Any other recommended thoughts and procedures to check? Do you know where I may purchase the parts list? Thank you in advance for your reply. Sincerely yours, Rich Thissell ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenr at snet.net Tue Nov 9 12:32:13 2010 From: stephenr at snet.net (Stephen Windsor) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 06:32:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and Audio In-Reply-To: <398960.47888.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <398960.47888.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CD9313D.1080206@snet.net> Used to own a 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner, 383 Magnum, 650? Carter 4bbl...that was a sweet ride. Klipsch Chorus speakers, bought used in '97...monster speakers...will take everything you can throw at them...love the Klipsch sound! On 11/8/2010 4:15 PM, Larry Sachs wrote: > Original owner of a 1984 Mazda RX-7 and a Sony SLHF 500 Hi-Fi beta > vcr. I also have a Sony VHS machine that is at least 10 years newer > than the beta which I got in '85. Despite the difference in age the > beta machine still makes a far better recording. I am still using > Klispch La Scala speakers that I bought used in the summer of '79 that > will knock your socks off. Sadly, my original Nak 500 died, but I now > have two BX-300s although one is probably enough. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 9 20:38:42 2010 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:38:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <173088.27733.qm@web84105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does this mean that Nak owners are luddites who eschew any technology more recent than the mid '80s?   Larry --- On Tue, 11/9/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 11:03 AM WOW. It appears Rob was right. This is a very interesting survey. ck -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jim phillips Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:39 PM To: Rainer & Joy-Ell; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio I 'm running  3 Nak/ADS 2002 systems(nak 250 with biamped ads 200 speakers) in three of my vinage Vw's... 1982 vw vanagon capmper 1967 standard bus shareed with a 55 westfalia vw camper. 1955 vw  bug convertable shared with a 56 sunfrrof bug. My now vintage 88 spg saab has a nak td1200 sytem. My dally driver has a nak td700 with all vintage 80's Nak amps and speakers. Gota buy more Naks as I still have another 5 vintage vw's that need tunes from 47 to 52. Still the nak 2002 sytem  is the one to have when just adding it for the day or weekend. At 01:10 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >Rainer S.  '88 BMW 325is original owner > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:15 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - >Automobiles andAudio > > >> >>Updated >>ck >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>Of RSB >>Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:24 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and >>Audio >> >>Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am >>willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. >>We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear >>advantages, not the least of which is style.  So, here's the question. How >>many of you now own a collectible car?    If you currently have something >>that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile >>category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car >>in recent years, let us know.  I am betting that a few of us have some >>interesting old rides.   No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only >>please), just let us know what you got. >> >>MEMBER    RIDE >>CHERYL    '71 240z and '86 300zx -- original owner of both >>Rob       '63 TR4 >>Kevin     '73 240z >> >>ROB >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________ $350,000 Life Insurance Coverage as low as $13.04/month. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 10 02:14:02 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:14:02 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio In-Reply-To: <173088.27733.qm@web84105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <173088.27733.qm@web84105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hubby and I have a collection of antique farm/woodworking tools - including a cider press. All of them are human powered. I have a WWI Swiss army rifle. Old joke: It's only been dropped once. ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sachs Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:39 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio Does this mean that Nak owners are luddites who eschew any technology more recent than the mid '80s? Larry --- On Tue, 11/9/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 11:03 AM WOW. It appears Rob was right. This is a very interesting survey. ck -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of jim phillips Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:39 PM To: Rainer & Joy-Ell; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio I 'm running 3 Nak/ADS 2002 systems(nak 250 with biamped ads 200 speakers) in three of my vinage Vw's... 1982 vw vanagon capmper 1967 standard bus shareed with a 55 westfalia vw camper. 1955 vw bug convertable shared with a 56 sunfrrof bug. My now vintage 88 spg saab has a nak td1200 sytem. My dally driver has a nak td700 with all vintage 80's Nak amps and speakers. Gota buy more Naks as I still have another 5 vintage vw's that need tunes from 47 to 52. Still the nak 2002 sytem is the one to have when just adding it for the day or weekend. At 01:10 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >Rainer S. '88 BMW 325is original owner > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:15 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - >Automobiles andAudio > > >> >>Updated >>ck >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf >>Of RSB >>Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:24 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and >>Audio >> >>Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am >>willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. >>We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear >>advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the question. How >>many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have something >>that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile >>category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car >>in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have some >>interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only >>please), just let us know what you got. >> >>MEMBER RIDE >>CHERYL '71 240z and '86 300zx -- original owner of both >>Rob '63 TR4 >>Kevin '73 240z >> >>ROB >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________ $350,000 Life Insurance Coverage as low as $13.04/month. 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Old joke: It's only been dropped once. ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sachs Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:39 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio Does this mean that Nak owners are luddites who eschew any technology more recent than the mid '80s? Larry --- On Tue, 11/9/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 11:03 AM WOW. It appears Rob was right. This is a very interesting survey. ck -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of jim phillips Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:39 PM To: Rainer & Joy-Ell; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - AutomobilesandAudio I 'm running 3 Nak/ADS 2002 systems(nak 250 with biamped ads 200 speakers) in three of my vinage Vw's... 1982 vw vanagon capmper 1967 standard bus shareed with a 55 westfalia vw camper. 1955 vw bug convertable shared with a 56 sunfrrof bug. My now vintage 88 spg saab has a nak td1200 sytem. My dally driver has a nak td700 with all vintage 80's Nak amps and speakers. Gota buy more Naks as I still have another 5 vintage vw's that need tunes from 47 to 52. Still the nak 2002 sytem is the one to have when just adding it for the day or weekend. At 01:10 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >Rainer S. '88 BMW 325is original owner > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:15 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - >Automobiles andAudio > > >> >>Updated >>ck >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf >>Of RSB >>Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:24 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and >>Audio >> >>Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am >>willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. >>We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear >>advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the question. How >>many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have something >>that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile >>category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car >>in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have some >>interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only >>please), just let us know what you got. >> >>MEMBER RIDE >>CHERYL '71 240z and '86 300zx -- original owner of both >>Rob '63 TR4 >>Kevin '73 240z >> >>ROB >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________ $350,000 Life Insurance Coverage as low as $13.04/month. 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URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Nov 10 01:31:00 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:31:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and Audio In-Reply-To: <4CD9313D.1080206@snet.net> References: <398960.47888.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4CD9313D.1080206@snet.net> Message-ID: Lots o Klipsches too. Have a pair of Fortes. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Windsor [stephenr at snet.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and Audio Used to own a 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner, 383 Magnum, 650? Carter 4bbl...that was a sweet ride. Klipsch Chorus speakers, bought used in '97...monster speakers...will take everything you can throw at them...love the Klipsch sound! On 11/8/2010 4:15 PM, Larry Sachs wrote: Original owner of a 1984 Mazda RX-7 and a Sony SLHF 500 Hi-Fi beta vcr. I also have a Sony VHS machine that is at least 10 years newer than the beta which I got in '85. Despite the difference in age the beta machine still makes a far better recording. I am still using Klispch La Scala speakers that I bought used in the summer of '79 that will knock your socks off. Sadly, my original Nak 500 died, but I now have two BX-300s although one is probably enough. From j_martino at rogers.com Wed Nov 10 01:48:04 2010 From: j_martino at rogers.com (Jay Martino) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:48:04 -0500 Subject: Nak car gear: was Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio In-Reply-To: References: <201011081325.oA8DOcK1011015@zxe.naks.com> <000801cb7f70$4ab17680$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: In the spring I plan to set my M5 up with a Nak TD-1200 and 6-way a/d/ s/ system - PH15 amp with 645ix crossover, 320is separates bi-amped in the front and 300i plates on the back deck. I also have a TD-500 that I'm wondering what to do with, and a parts TD-400. On 8-Nov-10, at 10:39 PM, jim phillips wrote: > I 'm running 3 Nak/ADS 2002 systems(nak 250 with biamped ads 200 > speakers) in three of my vinage Vw's... > 1982 vw vanagon capmper > 1967 standard bus shareed with a 55 westfalia vw camper. > 1955 vw bug convertable shared with a 56 sunfrrof bug. > My now vintage 88 spg saab has a nak td1200 sytem. > My dally driver has a nak td700 with all vintage 80's Nak amps and > speakers. > Gota buy more Naks as I still have another 5 vintage vw's that need > tunes from 47 to 52. > Still the nak 2002 sytem is the one to have when just adding it for > the day or weekend. > > > > At 01:10 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >> Rainer S. '88 BMW 325is original owner >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > > >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:15 AM >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - >> Automobiles andAudio >> >> >>> >>> Updated >>> ck >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >>> On Behalf >>> Of RSB >>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:24 AM >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - >>> Automobiles and >>> Audio >>> >>> Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a >>> TR4) , I am >>> willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in >>> common. >>> We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some >>> clear >>> advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the >>> question. How >>> many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have >>> something >>> that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible >>> automobile >>> category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had >>> such a car >>> in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have >>> some >>> interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho >>> (offline only >>> please), just let us know what you got. >>> >>> MEMBER RIDE >>> CHERYL '71 240z and '86 300zx -- original owner of both >>> Rob '63 TR4 >>> Kevin '73 240z >>> >>> ROB >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > $350,000 Life Insurance > Coverage as low as $13.04/month. Free, No Obligation Quotes. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4cd8c26cd5ccf1d8094st01vuc > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From andy.graybeal at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 02:47:25 2010 From: andy.graybeal at gmail.com (Andy Graybeal) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:47:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E Message-ID: I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem to be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w step up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas what I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its earlier owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 04:32:55 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:32:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR 7A No Rewind = Worn Idler Tire? Message-ID: <872258.5423.qm@web110804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Is the lack of rewind is due to worn idler tire? just like the RX-202? Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 07:04:08 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:04:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR 7A No Rewind = Worn Idler Tire, Confirmed Message-ID: <174418.27095.qm@web110815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yep, purchased an extra tire for the RX-202 which got fitted on the CR-7A and now they both work fine.  Sorry for the bandwidth. Fred in CT  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From esteyes at cox.net Wed Nov 10 08:13:34 2010 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:13:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] off topic car stuff Message-ID: <4CDA461E.3020908@cox.net> mine: 1995 Ford E350 - Nak TD1200II/Alpine 5700/Alpine DVA 9965 > Zapco DSP6-SL (x2) > 4kw+ zapco amps > all morel speakers 1982 volvo DL - Nak TD 500 > DEI Audio amps - 1kw+ > Audax/Morel/DEI speakers 1988 Jaguar XJ6 - stock 1979 BMW 630Cs - grey market now w/ M5 efi motor/tranny/climate control - Nak TD800 > Zapco > Dynaudio 1969 MGB - Nak TD700 > Zapco > DEI Audio 1999 Honda XR600R - nothin' the wife's: 1962 MGA - Sony > DEI Audio > same 2000 Volvo V70 - stock back to lurk mode neil -- shadowboxing the apocalypse, wandering the land From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 10 16:48:00 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:48:00 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you try it on any other inputs on the NAD receiver? If not, the problem could lurk in either the NAD or the Nak. If you have some other input plugged into the NAD that you know is working correctly (except for PHONO input), unplug it and try plugging the Nak into that input and see if it makes a difference. If the Nak still sounds weak then it is probably the Nak. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Andy Graybeal Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 3:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem to be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w step up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas what I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its earlier owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 10 17:11:29 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:11:29 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR 7A No Rewind = Worn Idler Tire, Confirmed In-Reply-To: <174418.27095.qm@web110815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <174418.27095.qm@web110815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you are sorry for the bandwidth, then I should be crawling on my hands and knees and offering to buy forgiveness. It is all cool since keyboards have a DELETE key that is useful for anything that doesn't interest the reader. The only problem is responses that don't remove excess text - it makes the digest hard to read. ck >Sorry for the bandwidth. >Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Carter >4bbl...that was a sweet ride. > >Klipsch Chorus speakers, bought used in '97...monster >speakers...will take everything you can >throw at them...love the Klipsch sound! > >On 11/8/2010 4:15 PM, Larry Sachs wrote: >Original owner of a 1984 Mazda RX-7 and a Sony SLHF 500 Hi-Fi beta >vcr. I also have a Sony VHS machine that is at least 10 years newer >than the beta which I got in '85. Despite the difference in age the >beta machine still makes a far better recording. I am still using >Klispch La Scala speakers that I bought used in the summer of '79 >that will knock your socks off. Sadly, my original Nak 500 died, but >I now have two BX-300s although one is probably enough. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From esteyes at cox.net Wed Nov 10 14:13:53 2010 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:13:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] off topic car thingie Message-ID: <4CDA9A91.5090407@cox.net> Jay Martino wrote: In the spring I plan to set my M5 up with a Nak TD-1200 and 6-way a/d/ s/ system - PH15 amp with 645ix crossover, 320is separates bi-amped in the front and 300i plates on the back deck. I also have a TD-500 that I'm wondering what to do with, and a parts TD-400. jst in case you remember them, i have a half dozen or so of the a/d/s/ px-a amps in working order. of course installing one in the M5 in lieu of the PH15/642 would leave you in a quandry - where did all those a/d/s/ px310 woofers go?? hehehe -- shadowboxing the apocalypse, wandering the land -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk Wed Nov 10 18:36:52 2010 From: jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk (Jason Stephens) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:36:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E References: Message-ID: <33F30C7153DA4C4997EA95FA3D3CEADF@jason29acd67b1> Hi Andy, Try turning up the small volume control knob at bottom-right on the front fascia. I've got a CR-3 and this knob controls the output of the headphone socket AND the rear RCA output sockets. I'm not sure if it's the same on the CR-2 but it's worth a try. Best regards, Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > > > Did you try it on any other inputs on the NAD receiver? If not, the > problem > could lurk in either the NAD or the Nak. > > If you have some other input plugged into the NAD that you know is working > correctly (except for PHONO input), unplug it and try plugging the Nak > into > that input and see if it makes a difference. If the Nak still sounds weak > then it is probably the Nak. > > Cheryl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Andy Graybeal > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 3:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > > I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem > to > be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w > step > up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for > plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. > Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas > what > I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its > earlier > owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. > > -- > Andy Graybeal > Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration > andygraybeal.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3248 - Release Date: 11/10/10 > From andy.graybeal at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 19:06:06 2010 From: andy.graybeal at gmail.com (Andy Graybeal) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:06:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I did try it in the aux and there was no difference, but I'll try it in the CD. Hopefully I figure it out. I still haven't checked with the previous owner if it was working properly. Thanks for the suggestion. On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > Did you try it on any other inputs on the NAD receiver? If not, the problem > could lurk in either the NAD or the Nak. > > If you have some other input plugged into the NAD that you know is working > correctly (except for PHONO input), unplug it and try plugging the Nak into > that input and see if it makes a difference. If the Nak still sounds weak > then it is probably the Nak. > > Cheryl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Andy Graybeal > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 3:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > > I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem to > be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w > step > up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for > plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. > Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas > what > I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its earlier > owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. > > -- > Andy Graybeal > Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration > andygraybeal.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 19:17:25 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:17:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Nirvana...... Message-ID: <414562.26094.qm@web110807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I am astounded...... the performance of the stumbled upon CR-7A is "as good as it gets" ?...... I think I've reached Nakvana...... ;>) even without the remote..... cause I wouldn't be able to touch her..... ;>) Fred in CT  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 19:20:31 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:20:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Recorded Tapes on the CR-7A Serve As Test Tapes On Other Naks? Message-ID: <393210.27850.qm@web110807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Can tapes recorded on the CR-7A after the Auto-Calibration serve as test tapes on the condition of heads / alignment / bias settings on other Nak machines? Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 01:18:29 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:18:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is it merely weak, or is the quality of sound poor as well? In other words, is the frequency response normal? Is there distortion? Is the "weakness" about the same in both left and right channels? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Andy Graybeal wrote: > I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem to > be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w step > up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for > plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. > Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas what > I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its earlier > owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. > > -- > Andy Graybeal > Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration > andygraybeal.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Nov 11 07:57:45 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:57:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Recorded Tapes on the CR-7A Serve As Test Tapes On Other Naks? In-Reply-To: <393210.27850.qm@web110807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <393210.27850.qm@web110807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes of you : - Autocal for reference tape - put ph az. Back to neutral - re-align recording head for max 15khz output Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 10/11/2010, a las 19:20, "Fred S.C. Li" escribió: > Can tapes recorded on the CR-7A after the Auto-Calibration serve as test tapes on the condition of heads / alignment / bias settings on other Nak machines? > > Fred in CT > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpmoss2 at netzero.com Wed Nov 10 23:13:33 2010 From: jpmoss2 at netzero.com (jim phillips) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:13:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and Audio In-Reply-To: <0LBO000G05L2D210@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> References: <398960.47888.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4CD9313D.1080206@snet.net> <0LBO000G05L2D210@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: vintage khorns here from the 50's and older to many to count..... I think I'm up to 11 guess I need one more anyone have a spare 46 klipchorn. At 07:34 AM 11/10/2010, you wrote: >Klipsch Forte II's here! > >Ohm C3 I put away some years ago. > >At 07:31 PM 11/9/2010, you wrote: >>Lots o Klipsches too. Have a pair of Fortes. >> >>________________________________ >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>Of Stephen Windsor [stephenr at snet.net] >>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:32 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - >>Automobiles and Audio >> >>Used to own a 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner, 383 Magnum, 650? Carter >>4bbl...that was a sweet ride. >> >>Klipsch Chorus speakers, bought used in '97...monster >>speakers...will take everything you can >>throw at them...love the Klipsch sound! >> >>On 11/8/2010 4:15 PM, Larry Sachs wrote: >>Original owner of a 1984 Mazda RX-7 and a Sony SLHF 500 Hi-Fi beta >>vcr. I also have a Sony VHS machine that is at least 10 years newer >>than the beta which I got in '85. Despite the difference in age the >>beta machine still makes a far better recording. I am still using >>Klispch La Scala speakers that I bought used in the summer of '79 >>that will knock your socks off. Sadly, my original Nak 500 died, >>but I now have two BX-300s although one is probably enough. >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Roland > >When momentum meets resistance, push harder. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From fgiddi at windstream.net Wed Nov 10 23:34:38 2010 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:34:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Message-ID: <4CDB1DFE.2010601@windstream.net> Got rid of old cars some time ago except for 1989 Scorpio, Klipsch speakers are another story. 1977 Klipsch Horns (pair) 1984 Cornwall (pair) purchased in Germany 1985 1977 LaScalla (pair) 1988 Chorus (pair) Tangent 20 rebuilt to look like Heritage series. 1983 Heresey (pair) Winter project build my own Belles from component parts and new 13 ply Baltic Birch. should be fun Too many Naks to mention including my Dragon purchased in Germany in 1985. Fran Giddings From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 23:45:21 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:45:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT car talk In-Reply-To: <581409.53271.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <322578.55890.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kevin, What is the "SSS" in the RTR tapes?  Bob N --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT car talk To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 8:16 AM Cheryl, The Webers came on the car and unfortunately, they are cable driven, not linkage activated. So the cables have to be watched for 'stretch'. I can't compare to the SU's because they weren't on the car. And the factory carbs aren't really 'SU's' anyway, but Japanese clones. I had triple SU's on a Jaguar once and they were the real deal. I did rebuild the Webers and they are amazing works of art inside. I even saw a 240 once with a special intake manifold and one big, Holly carb....very strange, but nice working set-up. That much for clone SU's....incredible! You should sell them and buy a Dragon! The cassettes will sound better than mp3's....the mp3 format was originally intended for voice and their algorithms don't actually support music. And yeah properly cared for, tape seems to stand the test of time, except in R2R where there was SSS in some tape brands. My cassettes from the 70's still sound like they did then, although I have to wonder why I recorded what I did....lol Kevin Don't know about courage, but I'm a little cuckoo. "Latest neon-boy-racer crap" will always be in my other car (300zx - a real z-car fan here). Ah, Webers! Did it make a big speed diff?  I actually have a brand-new set of SU carbs in my closet. The last time I checked (about 2003) they listed for about $2600. The old rebuilt ones are working fine, so the new ones remain shiny. Maybe someday another fanatic will buy them. Every time I drive the 240z I get several offers to buy it. The original radio is in a box along with the first FM radio I installed. Last time I checked they all still worked. The speaker may be there too - but the paper probably rotted away. A few months ago, when I finally unboxed my gear after 5 years, the intention was to transfer all the cassettes and records to CD and be done with them. Then my Nak didn't work right - the eject mechanism broke and while fixing that the nut broke off the tape guide and one channel was missing with Dolby ON. I bought a cheap cassette deck from walmart with a preamp out and was going to use that with a 12V battery to transfer the cassettes but didn't like the sound. But they sounded pretty good in the 581 even without Dolby and it fired up my interest again. While searching for repair info, I found NakTalk and a thriving Nak community. It was a BIG surprise. So I decided to fix my unit, but got impatient and bought a lovely 682zx from Willy. Then I bought a 582 parts deck and found out it worked pretty good and sounded great. Then I managed to fix the 581 and it works great now. Hubby still doesn't know about the 682zx. Because of the display, I think he thinks it is an equalizer of some sort. He thinks it is bad enough that I've had 2 decks spread out on the dining table and keeps asking what I'm going to do with TWO cassette decks.Little does he know it is actually 6 now.581, 582, 682zx, RD-460, Sony WMD-3, and the Walmart special. I go for long walks every day and much prefer the sound of cassettes to MP3. For fun, I copied some songs from my MP3 to cassette with the Nak. UGH. They sound horrible. It's just not the same as a tape recorded from vinyl or CD. I have an old high end Sony Discman (from about '88) that is pristine. I made a few tapes on my 581 using the Sony discman on the dining table and they sounded wonderful. The other thing that got me back into cassettes was finding several of my store-bought CD's were disintegrating - the mylar was flaking off some discs. So much for the long life of CD's. But most of the old cassettes that were recorded on the Nak still sounded pretty good after 30 years. So my favorite albums are going to be archived on cassette and my records aren't going away either. Cheryl -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy.graybeal at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 23:55:02 2010 From: andy.graybeal at gmail.com (Andy Graybeal) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:55:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E In-Reply-To: <33F30C7153DA4C4997EA95FA3D3CEADF@jason29acd67b1> References: <33F30C7153DA4C4997EA95FA3D3CEADF@jason29acd67b1> Message-ID: Yeah, Jason I have that knob there too and it is all the way up. I probably need a tech to open it up. Andy On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Jason Stephens < jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Andy, > > Try turning up the small volume control knob at bottom-right on the front > fascia. > > I've got a CR-3 and this knob controls the output of the headphone socket > AND the rear RCA output sockets. > I'm not sure if it's the same on the CR-2 but it's worth a try. > > Best regards, > Jason > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:48 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > > > >> >> Did you try it on any other inputs on the NAD receiver? If not, the >> problem >> could lurk in either the NAD or the Nak. >> >> If you have some other input plugged into the NAD that you know is working >> correctly (except for PHONO input), unplug it and try plugging the Nak >> into >> that input and see if it makes a difference. If the Nak still sounds weak >> then it is probably the Nak. >> >> Cheryl >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Andy Graybeal >> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 3:47 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E >> >> I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem >> to >> be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w >> step >> up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for >> plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. >> Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas >> what >> I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its >> earlier >> owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. >> >> -- >> Andy Graybeal >> Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration >> andygraybeal.com >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3248 - Release Date: 11/10/10 >> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 00:12:07 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:12:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio In-Reply-To: <3D422935213B4E0F9FC6E9B8AB4D9090@UserPC> Message-ID: <567592.1364.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 69 Chevelle SS 396, 4 speed 69 Dodge Charger RT, 440 magnum, automatic 69 Corvette 427, 4 speed Bob N --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Patty wrote: From: Patty Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:12 AM OK, HERE WAS MY OLD LIST 72 PONTIAC 71 NOVA 81 CAMERO AND THE LAST OLD ONE THAT GOT TOTAL WAS MY 71 CADI/4DOOR BROHAM (LOVER THAT BOAT) OH AND I AM JUST 45 AND LOVE OLD CARS PATTY -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 7:47 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio I once had a 1965 GTO Tri-power, a 1967 Pontiac GTO with the SD455 from a 1974 Trans Am, a 1967 Chevelle SS396 CONVERTIBLE.  I've only seen three in my life.  A 1968 Camara RS350 and a 1971 Duster 340.  I raced and restored most of these cars. At 08:24 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am >willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. >We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear >advantages, not the least of which is style.  So, here's the question.  How >many of you now own a collectible car?    If you currently have something >that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile >category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car >in recent years, let us know.  I am betting that a few of us have some >interesting old rides.   No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only >please), just let us know what you got. > >MEMBER    RIDE >CHERYL    '71 240z >Rob       '63 TR4 > >ROB > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenr at snet.net Thu Nov 11 01:13:08 2010 From: stephenr at snet.net (Stephen Windsor) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:13:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and Audio In-Reply-To: <0LBO000G05L2D210@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> References: <398960.47888.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4CD9313D.1080206@snet.net> <0LBO000G05L2D210@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4CDB3514.9020803@snet.net> me unabashed klipsch fanatic - flat, near colorless, and takes whatever you throw at it - i've a 300 watt-per-channel amp...200+ continuous playing Zappa, you are *in* the speaker... On 11/10/2010 7:34 AM, Roland wrote: > Klipsch Forte II's here! > > Ohm C3 I put away some years ago. > > At 07:31 PM 11/9/2010, you wrote: >> Lots o Klipsches too. Have a pair of Fortes. >> >> ________________________________ >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Stephen Windsor [stephenr at snet.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:32 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - >> Automobiles and Audio >> >> Used to own a 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner, 383 Magnum, 650? Carter >> 4bbl...that was a sweet ride. >> >> Klipsch Chorus speakers, bought used in '97...monster speakers...will >> take everything you can >> throw at them...love the Klipsch sound! >> >> On 11/8/2010 4:15 PM, Larry Sachs wrote: >> Original owner of a 1984 Mazda RX-7 and a Sony SLHF 500 Hi-Fi beta >> vcr. I also have a Sony VHS machine that is at least 10 years newer >> than the beta which I got in '85. Despite the difference in age the >> beta machine still makes a far better recording. I am still using >> Klispch La Scala speakers that I bought used in the summer of '79 >> that will knock your socks off. Sadly, my original Nak 500 died, but >> I now have two BX-300s although one is probably enough. >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 01:16:18 2010 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:16:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recorded Tapes on the CR-7A Serve As Test Tapes On Other Naks? In-Reply-To: <393210.27850.qm@web110807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <393210.27850.qm@web110807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmmmm ... ask Luis :-) I'd say clones can serve rather well personally. -Tim On Nov 10, 2010 6:14 PM, "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: Can tapes recorded on the CR-7A after the Auto-Calibration serve as test tapes on the condition of heads / alignment / bias settings on other Nak machines? Fred in CT ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy.graybeal at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 03:03:10 2010 From: andy.graybeal at gmail.com (Andy Graybeal) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:03:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would say it is weak and a bit distorted when I crank up the volume. (both on the Nak and on the NAD) It is the same in both channels. I plugged in my headphones and the sound was the same. Also the tape transport has started to act up. I don't know if it is reacting to my lack of familiarity with the controls. I noticed that one time there was a very loud sputter and the tape was not moving. Have you got any recommendation for service on the San Francisco peninsula? On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Fred Longworth < classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > Is it merely weak, or is the quality of sound poor as well? In other words, > is the frequency response normal? Is there distortion? Is the "weakness" > about the same in both left and right channels? > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Andy Graybeal wrote: > >> I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem >> to be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w >> step up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for >> plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. >> Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas what >> I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its earlier >> owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. >> >> -- >> Andy Graybeal >> Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration >> andygraybeal.com >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Thu Nov 11 15:19:09 2010 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:19:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] No cassette door push References: Message-ID: <003401cb81ab$682cac60$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> David, I haven't worked on the ZX-9 damper, but as far as I know the damper has a spring inside and uses silicon grease for the damping effect. The grease in yours might be dirty and stiff. Check the Naktalk archives as I am sure that the damper has been discussed before. Maybe someone who has experience with the ZX-9 damper will chime in. Cheers, Rainer S. P.S. Please don't ask me how to do a search in the archives as I haven't figured that out yet myself! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thompson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] No cassette door push > The off topic car stuff may be fascinating for some but I would greatly > appreciate some on topic help with this one. > > > The pneumatic damper on my ZX-9 no longer pushes the door open. > Can it be recharged? > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 11 13:47:28 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 05:47:28 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio In-Reply-To: <567592.1364.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3D422935213B4E0F9FC6E9B8AB4D9090@UserPC>, <567592.1364.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: '68 Pontiac GTO '77 Pontiac Trans Am (6.6) '86 Pontiac Trans Am (5 speed) '73 Dodge Charger Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:12:07 -0800 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio To: naktalk at naks.com 69 Chevelle SS 396, 4 speed 69 Dodge Charger RT, 440 magnum, automatic 69 Corvette 427, 4 speed Bob N --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Patty wrote: From: Patty Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:12 AM OK, HERE WAS MY OLD LIST 72 PONTIAC 71 NOVA 81 CAMERO AND THE LAST OLD ONE THAT GOT TOTAL WAS MY 71 CADI/4DOOR BROHAM (LOVER THAT BOAT) OH AND I AM JUST 45 AND LOVE OLD CARS PATTY -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 7:47 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio I once had a 1965 GTO Tri-power, a 1967 Pontiac GTO with the SD455 from a 1974 Trans Am, a 1967 Chevelle SS396 CONVERTIBLE. I've only seen three in my life. A 1968 Camara RS350 and a 1971 Duster 340. I raced and restored most of these cars. At 08:24 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I am >willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. >We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear >advantages, not the least of which is style. So, here's the question. How >many of you now own a collectible car? If you currently have something >that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile >category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car >in recent years, let us know. I am betting that a few of us have some >interesting old rides. No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only >please), just let us know what you got. > >MEMBER RIDE >CHERYL '71 240z >Rob '63 TR4 > >ROB > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Engineers have also experimented with exact temp and humidity room conditions to stabilize the tape. I've also heard of using rubbing alcohol on the entire tape. Most people bake them, dub the material and throw away the tape. Old tape buyers on ebay should always beware, because that's were most of the tapes come from these days. Kevin Message: 13 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT car talk To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <322578.55890.qm at web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, What is the "SSS" in the RTR tapes? Bob N -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(both on the Nak and on the NAD) It is the same in both channels. I plugged in my headphones and the sound was the same. Also the tape transport has started to act up. I don't know if it is reacting to my lack of familiarity with the controls. I noticed that one time there was a very loud sputter and the tape was not moving. Have you got any recommendation for service on the San Francisco peninsula? On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Is it merely weak, or is the quality of sound poor as well? In other words, is the frequency response normal? Is there distortion? Is the "weakness" about the same in both left and right channels? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Andy Graybeal wrote: I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem to be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w step up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas what I might have done wrong? 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Jayson ________________________________ From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 7:47:28 AM Subject: FW: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio '68 Pontiac GTO '77 Pontiac Trans Am (6.6) '86 Pontiac Trans Am (5 speed) '73 Dodge Charger   ________________________________ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:12:07 -0800 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio To: naktalk at naks.com 69 Chevelle SS 396, 4 speed 69 Dodge Charger RT, 440 magnum, automatic 69 Corvette 427, 4 speed Bob N --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Patty wrote: >From: Patty >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles andAudio >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:12 AM > > >OK, > >HERE WAS MY OLD LIST > >72 PONTIAC >71 NOVA >81 CAMERO >AND THE LAST OLD ONE THAT GOT TOTAL WAS MY 71 CADI/4DOOR BROHAM (LOVER THAT >BOAT) > >OH AND I AM JUST 45 AND LOVE OLD CARS > >PATTY > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Roland >Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 7:47 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles >andAudio > >I once had a 1965 GTO Tri-power, a 1967 Pontiac GTO with the SD455 >from a 1974 Trans Am, a 1967 Chevelle SS396 CONVERTIBLE.  I've only >seen three in my life.  A 1968 Camara RS350 and a 1971 Duster 340.  I >raced and restored most of these cars. > > >At 08:24 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >>Now that Cheryl has peaked my interest (she has a 240Z, I have a TR4) , I >am >>willing to bet that our NAK loving personalities have something in common. >>We all know that old technology has a lot to offer and even some clear >>advantages, not the least of which is style.  So, here's the question.  How >>many of you now own a collectible car?    If you currently have something >>that you are driving or restoring that falls into a collectible automobile >>category (some disagreement will be had I am sure), or have had such a car >>in recent years, let us know.  I am betting that a few of us have some >>interesting old rides.   No ongoing conversations here tho (offline only >>please), just let us know what you got. >> >>MEMBER    RIDE >>CHERYL    '71 240z >>Rob       '63 TR4 >> >>ROB >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Roland > >When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Dan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Thu Nov 11 19:49:06 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:49:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] No cassette door push References: Message-ID: <75745F6F32A146238AA60AE059C38695@superdator> David! The damper only slows down the motion of the door. The door is opened by a big spring located beside the damper. Either the spring is brooken or the damper is stuck due to old hard grease inside it. I always lubricate my dampers with standard bearing grease and it works excellent. Good luck/Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thompson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:04 AM Subject: [naktalk] No cassette door push > The off topic car stuff may be fascinating for some but I would greatly > appreciate some on topic help with this one. > > > The pneumatic damper on my ZX-9 no longer pushes the door open. > Can it be recharged? > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tr463rsb at comcast.net Thu Nov 11 21:30:30 2010 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:30:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and Audio - Survey Results are In! Message-ID: <201011112032.oABKUkox026669@zxe.naks.com> What a collection here - SURVEY RESULTS NAKKER CAR(S) Cheryl '71 240Z Rob '63 TR4, '96 LT4 CE 'Vette Stephen '74 Roadrunner Larry '84 Mazda RX7 Neil '88 Jaguar XJ6, '95 Ford 350, '82 Volvo DL, '88 XJ6, '79 BMW 630 '69 MGB, '62 MGA, '00 V70, '99 XR600R Kevin '73 240Z Rainer S. '88 BMW 325is Jim '82 vw vanagon, '67 standard bus/55 westfalia vw camper, '55 vw bug convertible, '56 sunfrrof bug, '88 saab Roland '65 GTO Tri-power, '67 Pontiac GTO/SD455, '67 Chevelle SS396 CONV., '68 Camara RS350, '71 Duster 340. Willie '67 Corvette conv, '91 BMW 850/12 cylinder Patti '72 PONTIAC, '71 NOVA, '81 CAMERO, '71 CADI/4DOOR BROHAM My best collection winner goes to Roland with some incredible old Muscle. Neil gets a 2nd simply for sheer international quantity and variety. Finally, Willie with the '67 Vette gets an honorable mention. You just can't beat a '67 Vette, (although my one-year only LT4 might). If I missed anyone, sorry! Rob From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 11 23:40:54 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:40:54 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] cr 5 headphone output In-Reply-To: <859955.60875.qm@web95011.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <859955.60875.qm@web95011.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not familiar with the cr 5, but on the 581, 582 and 682zx it is controlled by the output knob. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Vijay Bagaria Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:55 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cr 5 headphone output hi all, i an owning nakamichi cr 5. my problem is that the headphone when connected to it sounds very high. pl provide a solution to control the output of the headphone jack. thanks, vijay bagaria. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 00:28:36 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:28:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT In-Reply-To: <320277.6380.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <632611.25265.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kevin.Bob, SSS as Kevin stated is rampant in Ampex, followed by Scotch brands.In Cassettes BASF from the early 70s vintage did the same exact thing.Especially their type I tapes. I recall having to clean the heads of my small SonyTC-66 cassette corder( as SONY called it then)  almost on every pass of a tape in it. Progressively, SSS tapes lose content and are useless. Ram. --- On Thu, 11/11/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 11:32 AM Bob, it stands for Sticky Shed Syndrome. There are many tapes of lore that have this; it was a binder issue....Ampex being one of the worst offenders. Apparently they even knew early on about the potential problem. The tapes played back on your deck will shed and gum up your tape path miserably, just in one playback. You can 'bake' the tape in a food dehydrator to playback and dub off it, if there is important material recorded. But eventually it will revert back to SSS. Engineers have also experimented with exact temp and humidity room conditions to stabilize the tape. I've also heard of using rubbing alcohol on the entire tape. Most people bake them, dub the material and throw away the tape. Old tape buyers on ebay should always beware, because that's were most of the tapes come from these days. Kevin Message: 13 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT     car talk To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <322578.55890.qm at web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, What is the "SSS" in the RTR tapes?  Bob N -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 01:36:31 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:36:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] cr 5 headphone output In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <125488.36495.qm@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It is the output control knob that controls the line out and the headphones out level. Ram. --- On Thu, 11/11/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > From: Cheryl Kaupp > Subject: RE: [naktalk] cr 5 headphone output > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 5:40 PM > > Not familiar with the cr 5, but on the 581, 582 and 682zx > it is controlled > by the output knob. > Cheryl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On Behalf > Of Vijay Bagaria > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:55 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] cr 5 headphone output > > hi all, > > i an owning nakamichi cr 5. my problem is that the > headphone when connected > to it sounds very high. pl provide a solution to control > the output of the > headphone jack. > > thanks, > vijay bagaria. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 12 02:13:22 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:13:22 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT In-Reply-To: <632611.25265.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <320277.6380.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <632611.25265.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So that's the problem with all the old BASF tapes recorded on my Teac 450 in the 70's. They sound awful and make a mess on the heads and parts of the transport that they touch. The old TDK's don't sound anything like the BASF. Wonder if hubby would get upset if his dehydrator went missing for a few days. ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:29 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT Kevin.Bob, SSS as Kevin stated is rampant in Ampex, followed by Scotch brands.In Cassettes BASF from the early 70s vintage did the same exact thing.Especially their type I tapes. I recall having to clean the heads of my small SonyTC-66 cassette corder( as SONY called it then) almost on every pass of a tape in it. Progressively, SSS tapes lose content and are useless. Ram. --- On Thu, 11/11/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 11:32 AM Bob, it stands for Sticky Shed Syndrome. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 12 02:16:25 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:16:25 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] No cassette door push In-Reply-To: <75745F6F32A146238AA60AE059C38695@superdator> References: <75745F6F32A146238AA60AE059C38695@superdator> Message-ID: Not familiar with the ZX-9, but if it has a cable it could be the cable or the clamps at each end of the cable. ck -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pär Ericsson David! The damper only slows down the motion of the door. The door is opened by a big spring located beside the damper. Either the spring is brooken or the damper is stuck due to old hard grease inside it. I always lubricate my dampers with standard bearing grease and it works excellent. Good luck/Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thompson" > The pneumatic damper on my ZX-9 no longer pushes the door open. > Can it be recharged? > > David From fgiddi at windstream.net Thu Nov 11 22:21:44 2010 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:21:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 Message-ID: <4CDC5E68.4090300@windstream.net> Anyone aware of a source for VR 602 pn OB30057? It is the pitch control pot on MR2. Just wondered if anyone has replaced it and if so with what. Before I start buyuing pots and experimenting. Thanks Fran Giddings From andy.graybeal at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 23:51:47 2010 From: andy.graybeal at gmail.com (Andy Graybeal) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:51:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Cheryl, now, do you have an email or url for Willy? Andy On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > Willy is in Orinda. > > ck > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Andy Graybeal > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:03 PM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > > > > I would say it is weak and a bit distorted when I crank up the volume. > (both on the Nak and on the NAD) It is the same in both channels. I plugged > in my headphones and the sound was the same. Also the tape transport has > started to act up. I don't know if it is reacting to my lack of familiarity > with the controls. I noticed that one time there was a very loud sputter and > the tape was not moving. > > > > Have you got any recommendation for service on the San Francisco peninsula? > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Fred Longworth < > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > > Is it merely weak, or is the quality of sound poor as well? In other words, > is the frequency response normal? Is there distortion? Is the "weakness" > about the same in both left and right channels? > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Andy Graybeal > wrote: > > I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem > to be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w > step up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for > plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. > Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. 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Either the spring is brooken or the > damper is stuck due to old hard grease inside it. I always lubricate my > dampers with standard bearing grease and it works excellent. > > Good luck/Pelle. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thompson" < > davidt124 at internode.on.net> > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:04 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] No cassette door push > > > The off topic car stuff may be fascinating for some but I would greatly >> appreciate some on topic help with this one. >> >> >> The pneumatic damper on my ZX-9 no longer pushes the door open. >> Can it be recharged? >> >> David >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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'88 BMW 325is > Jim '82 vw vanagon, '67 standard bus/55 westfalia vw camper, > '55 vw bug convertible, '56 sunfrrof bug, '88 saab > Roland '65 GTO Tri-power, '67 Pontiac GTO/SD455, '67 Chevelle > SS396 CONV., '68 Camara RS350, '71 Duster 340. > Willie '67 Corvette conv, '91 BMW 850/12 cylinder > Patti '72 PONTIAC, '71 NOVA, '81 CAMERO, '71 CADI/4DOOR BROHAM > > My best collection winner goes to Roland with some incredible old Muscle. > Neil gets a 2nd simply for sheer international quantity and variety. > Finally, Willie with the '67 Vette gets an honorable mention. 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The tapes played back on your deck will shed and gum up your tape path miserably, just in one playback. You can 'bake' the tape in a food dehydrator to playback and dub off it, if there is important material recorded. But eventually it will revert back to SSS. Engineers have also experimented with exact temp and humidity room conditions to stabilize the tape. I've also heard of using rubbing alcohol on the entire tape. Most people bake them, dub the material and throw away the tape. Old tape buyers on ebay should always beware, because that's were most of the tapes come from these days. Kevin Message: 13 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT     car talk To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <322578.55890.qm at web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, What is the "SSS" in the RTR tapes?  Bob N -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wonder if hubby would get > upset if his dehydrator went missing for a few days… > > ck > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *shanti ramachandran > *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:29 PM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT > > > > Kevin.Bob, > > > SSS as Kevin stated is rampant in Ampex, followed by Scotch brands.In > Cassettes BASF from the early 70s vintage did the same exact > thing.Especially their type I tapes. I recall having to clean the heads of > my small SonyTC-66 cassette corder( as SONY called it then) almost on every > pass of a tape in it. > > Progressively, SSS tapes lose content and are useless. > > Ram. > > --- On *Thu, 11/11/10, Kevin Fetner * wrote: > > > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 11:32 AM > > Bob, > it stands for Sticky Shed Syndrome. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regarding other Vintage audio in autos, I ran the ubiquitous Jensen 6 x 9's with blue surrounds in my 77 Corolla SR5 Liftback with a Sanyo cassette head unit, custom built 5 octave equilzer/amp based on a 1977 Popular Electronics design, then moved over to a Sanyo 50w/channel power amp.  Had an 85 VW Jetta GLi with a Soundstream TC308 pullout head unit driving a pair of Soundstream A100 (I think) amps pushing a front door mounted pair of ADS 300i plate speakers, and a pair of 12 inch polypropylene woofers mounted on the back shelf over the trunk.  All wired with Mogami Quad Core wire and custom soldered gold RCA Jacks/plugs. Still have a number of Soundstream Amps in a box, just couldn't bear to sell them off (none of the Reference lines though). Regards, Bart ________________________________ From: RSB To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 12:30:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] re: Off Topic Survey on Old Technology - Automobiles and Audio - Survey Results are In! What a collection here - SURVEY RESULTS NAKKER      CAR(S) Cheryl    '71 240Z Rob        '63 TR4, '96 LT4 CE 'Vette Stephen    '74 Roadrunner Larry        '84 Mazda RX7 Neil         '88 Jaguar XJ6, '95 Ford 350, '82 Volvo DL, '88 XJ6, '79 BMW 630         '69 MGB, '62 MGA, '00 V70, '99 XR600R Kevin     '73 240Z Rainer S.      '88 BMW 325is Jim         '82 vw vanagon, '67 standard bus/55 westfalia vw camper,         '55 vw  bug convertible, '56 sunfrrof bug, '88 saab Roland    '65 GTO Tri-power, '67 Pontiac GTO/SD455, '67 Chevelle         SS396 CONV., '68 Camara RS350, '71 Duster 340.  Willie    '67 Corvette conv, '91 BMW 850/12 cylinder Patti        '72 PONTIAC, '71 NOVA, '81 CAMERO, '71 CADI/4DOOR BROHAM My best collection winner goes to Roland with some incredible old Muscle. Neil gets a 2nd simply for sheer international quantity and variety. Finally,  Willie with the '67 Vette gets an honorable mention.  You just can't beat a '67 Vette, (although my one-year only LT4 might). If I missed anyone, sorry! Rob ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solexny at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 14:33:48 2010 From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:33:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: bx300 pricing In-Reply-To: References: <0016363105850985c40494c97356@google.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark. On 11/11/10, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > I sold three BX-300's this year on Ebay. > Per your description, yours should fetch $140 - $190 on Ebay. > For selling locally, the selling price may fall to 1/2 as what you may get > on Ebay. > > > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:27:26 +0000 > From: solexNY at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] bx300 pricing > > Hi All, > > I'm thinking about selling my bx300 and would like get some idea of pricing > (for local sale) > > I'm the second owner and have the original box. There are only two problems > (1) Sometimes the unit needs to "warm" up before it will play, all other > function operate as expected (2) there is one scratch on top of the unit > otherwise it is in perfect condition. > > Any thoughts on the price? > > Regards, > Dan > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Sent from my mobile device From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 15:25:07 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:25:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <698411.58190.qm@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Willy's web site is www.willyhermannservices.com You can not go wrong with him. Ram. --- On Thu, 11/11/10, Andy Graybeal wrote: From: Andy Graybeal Subject: Re: [naktalk] output of CR-2E To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 5:51 PM Thanks, Cheryl, now, do you have an email or url for Willy?Andy On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Willy is in Orinda. ck   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Andy Graybeal Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] output of CR-2E   I would say it is weak and a bit distorted when I crank up the volume. (both on the Nak and on the NAD) It is the same in both channels. I plugged in my headphones and the sound was the same. Also the tape transport has started to act up. I don't know if it is reacting to my lack of familiarity with the controls. I noticed that one time there was a very loud sputter and the tape was not moving.    Have you got any recommendation for service on the San Francisco peninsula? On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Is it merely weak, or is the quality of sound poor as well? In other words, is the frequency response normal? Is there distortion? Is the "weakness" about the same in both left and right channels? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Andy Graybeal wrote: I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem to be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w step up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas what I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its earlier owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(both on the Nak and on the NAD) It is the same in both channels. I plugged in my headphones and the sound was the same. Also the tape transport has started to act up. I don't know if it is reacting to my lack of familiarity with the controls. I noticed that one time there was a very loud sputter and the tape was not moving. Have you got any recommendation for service on the San Francisco peninsula? On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Is it merely weak, or is the quality of sound poor as well? In other words, is the frequency response normal? Is there distortion? Is the "weakness" about the same in both left and right channels? > >Fred >Classic Audio Repair >www.repairaudio.com > >* * * * * > > >On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Andy Graybeal wrote: > >I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem to be >putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w step up >xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for plugging it >into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. Compared to other >components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas what I might have done >wrong? 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(It does affect volume fed to the output connectors, but since you'd be listening to headphones, The amp volume control will be turned down to zero, anyway). -- Ron ________________________________ From: Vijay Bagaria To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 11:55:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] cr 5 headphone output hi all, i an owning nakamichi cr 5. my problem is that the headphone when connected to it sounds very high. pl provide a solution to control the output of the headphone jack. thanks, vijay bagaria. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 17:42:10 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:42:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape SSS Message-ID: <641610.78344.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Bob, The food dehydrator trick really works-temporarily. But only if you're trying to copy the tape. Some people have used their ovens, but it's a luck thing there as ovens are not known to be very accurate in reality. Someone on the Net even has a list of all the tapes that ever exhibited SSS. It's less of a problem in cassettes, but does exist there as well. People are even buying SSS in metal reels, just to get the reels and dump the tape! You got unlucky with the Maxell, because it's not a problem with that brand....maybe some other brand got on there.....were they sealed NOS? Tape can be over dehydrated as well and cause it to shed/flake (but not sticky)-like storage in an attic. Then it has to be re-hydrated, but I'm not sure what that involves. Here is a guy that put together a list of sorts. Again, Maxell is considered 'safe' overall. http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=247520 Kevin Message: 20 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <937331.97181.qm at web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Kevin, I didn't recognize the term SSS. I have seen that in the past with Scotch and now I bought from e-bay some 3600 foot, 7 inch reel Maxell tapes that shed like mad and are very brittle also. Thanks for the explanation. Bob N -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Andy On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:25 AM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Willy's web site is www.willyhermannservices.com > > You can not go wrong with him. > > Ram. > > --- On *Thu, 11/11/10, Andy Graybeal * wrote: > > > From: Andy Graybeal > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 5:51 PM > > > Thanks, Cheryl, now, do you have an email or url for Willy? > Andy > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Cheryl Kaupp > > wrote: > > Willy is in Orinda. > > ck > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] > *On Behalf Of *Andy Graybeal > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:03 PM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > > > > I would say it is weak and a bit distorted when I crank up the volume. > (both on the Nak and on the NAD) It is the same in both channels. I plugged > in my headphones and the sound was the same. Also the tape transport has > started to act up. I don't know if it is reacting to my lack of familiarity > with the controls. I noticed that one time there was a very loud sputter and > the tape was not moving. > > > > Have you got any recommendation for service on the San Francisco peninsula? > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Fred Longworth < > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> > wrote: > > Is it merely weak, or is the quality of sound poor as well? In other words, > is the frequency response normal? Is there distortion? Is the "weakness" > about the same in both left and right channels? > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Andy Graybeal > > wrote: > > I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem > to be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w > step up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for > plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. > Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas what > I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its earlier > owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. > > -- > Andy Graybeal > Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration > andygraybeal.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Andy Graybeal > Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration > andygraybeal.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Andy Graybeal > Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration > andygraybeal.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri Nov 12 23:39:29 2010 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:39:29 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 door Message-ID: Thanks for the comments on my ZX-9 door eject problem. It turned out to be simple. I had the door out and missed getting the lug back under the spring lever. David From andy.graybeal at gmail.com Sat Nov 13 07:43:35 2010 From: andy.graybeal at gmail.com (Andy Graybeal) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:43:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E In-Reply-To: <523126.90886.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <523126.90886.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll look into that. Thanks. Andy On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Ron wrote: > > Since both channels are weak and distorted, I would > check all supply rails before proceeding. > > -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Andy Graybeal > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wed, November 10, 2010 9:03:10 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > > I would say it is weak and a bit distorted when I crank up the volume. > (both on the Nak and on the NAD) It is the same in both channels. I plugged > in my headphones and the sound was the same. Also the tape transport has > started to act up. I don't know if it is reacting to my lack of familiarity > with the controls. I noticed that one time there was a very loud sputter and > the tape was not moving. > > Have you got any recommendation for service on the San Francisco peninsula? > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Fred Longworth < > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is it merely weak, or is the quality of sound poor as well? In other >> words, is the frequency response normal? Is there distortion? Is the >> "weakness" about the same in both left and right channels? >> >> Fred >> Classic Audio Repair >> www.repairaudio.com >> >> * * * * * >> >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Andy Graybeal wrote: >> >>> I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem >>> to be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w >>> step up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for >>> plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. >>> Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas what >>> I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its earlier >>> owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. >>> >>> -- >>> Andy Graybeal >>> Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration >>> andygraybeal.com >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Andy Graybeal > Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration > andygraybeal.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM >> Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >> 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >> San Diego, CA 92116 >> (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >> Fax: (619) 282-7872 >> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >> stereo1 at cox.net >> www.repairaudio.com >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a common problem that can occur when reassembling the cassette holder mechanism, and this often results in the eject mechanism only partially ejecting the cassette - the cassette holder stops moving part way through eject. If this is your problem, give me a buzz and I'll explain it to you - I'd be up all night trying to explain it in text, and you might have a different problem anyway. Regards John Gipps Message: 15 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:04:43 +1000 From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] No cassette door push To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The off topic car stuff may be fascinating for some but I would greatly appreciate some on topic help with this one. The pneumatic damper on my ZX-9 no longer pushes the door open. Can it be recharged? David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au Sun Nov 14 14:56:38 2010 From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au (John Gipps) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:56:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E In-Reply-To: <201011111442.oABEMGBA025653@zxe.naks.com> References: <201011111442.oABEMGBA025653@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000d01cb8403$c2b91970$482b4c50$@com.au> Hi Andy Just for the heck of it, would you verify that you haven't interchanged the Record and Play RCA cables. If you do happen to do this, you get very (very) low playback levels and a distorted output. Don't forget that the Output of the Nakamichi (Playback) needs to go to the Tape In on the Receiver, and the Input of the Nakamichi (Record) needs to go to the Tape Out on the Receiver. Back in the days when I owned a HiFi shop, lots of customers used to call with your symptom just after they had taken their Nak decks home from repair and hooked them up again, and it was so often the cable mix up. The symptom was always very low level and distorted playback of their previously recorded tapes. Regards John Gipps Message: 14 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:55:02 -0800 From: Andy Graybeal Subject: Re: [naktalk] output of CR-2E To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yeah, Jason I have that knob there too and it is all the way up. I probably need a tech to open it up. Andy On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Jason Stephens < jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Andy, > > Try turning up the small volume control knob at bottom-right on the front > fascia. > > I've got a CR-3 and this knob controls the output of the headphone socket > AND the rear RCA output sockets. > I'm not sure if it's the same on the CR-2 but it's worth a try. > > Best regards, > Jason > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:48 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > > > >> >> Did you try it on any other inputs on the NAD receiver? If not, the >> problem >> could lurk in either the NAD or the Nak. >> >> If you have some other input plugged into the NAD that you know is working >> correctly (except for PHONO input), unplug it and try plugging the Nak >> into >> that input and see if it makes a difference. If the Nak still sounds weak >> then it is probably the Nak. >> >> Cheryl >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Andy Graybeal >> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 3:47 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E >> >> I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem >> to >> be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w >> step >> up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for >> plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. >> Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas >> what >> I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its >> earlier >> owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. >> >> -- >> Andy Graybeal >> Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration >> andygraybeal.com >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3248 - Release Date: 11/10/10 >> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Andy Graybeal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy.graybeal at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 18:42:38 2010 From: andy.graybeal at gmail.com (Andy Graybeal) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:42:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E In-Reply-To: <000d01cb8403$c2b91970$482b4c50$@com.au> References: <201011111442.oABEMGBA025653@zxe.naks.com> <000d01cb8403$c2b91970$482b4c50$@com.au> Message-ID: I'll check that out, but I'm sure I got them on right. Thanks for the suggestion. On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 5:56 AM, John Gipps wrote: > Hi Andy > > > > Just for the heck of it, would you verify that you haven't interchanged the > Record and Play RCA cables. If you do happen to do this, you get very (very) > low playback levels and a distorted output. Don't forget that the Output of > the Nakamichi (Playback) needs to go to the Tape In on the Receiver, and the > Input of the Nakamichi (Record) needs to go to the Tape Out on the Receiver. > > > > Back in the days when I owned a HiFi shop, lots of customers used to call > with your symptom just after they had taken their Nak decks home from repair > and hooked them up again, and it was so often the cable mix up. The symptom > was always very low level and distorted playback of their previously > recorded tapes. > > > > Regards > > > > John Gipps > > > > > > > > > > Message: 14 > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:55:02 -0800 > > From: Andy Graybeal > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Yeah, Jason > > I have that knob there too and it is all the way up. I probably need a tech > > to open it up. > > > > Andy > > > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Jason Stephens < > > jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > > > Try turning up the small volume control knob at bottom-right on the front > > > fascia. > > > > > > I've got a CR-3 and this knob controls the output of the headphone socket > > > AND the rear RCA output sockets. > > > I'm not sure if it's the same on the CR-2 but it's worth a try. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > > > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:48 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Did you try it on any other inputs on the NAD receiver? If not, the > > >> problem > > >> could lurk in either the NAD or the Nak. > > >> > > >> If you have some other input plugged into the NAD that you know is > working > > >> correctly (except for PHONO input), unplug it and try plugging the Nak > > >> into > > >> that input and see if it makes a difference. If the Nak still sounds > weak > > >> then it is probably the Nak. > > >> > > >> Cheryl > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > >> Behalf > > >> Of Andy Graybeal > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 3:47 PM > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > > >> Subject: [naktalk] output of CR-2E > > >> > > >> I was recently given a Nakamichi CR-2E cassette deck and it doesn't seem > > >> to > > >> be putting out much of a signal. It runs on 220volts supplied by a 100w > > >> step > > >> up xformer. I have the owner's manual and followed the directions for > > >> plugging it into my NAD stereo receiver and a McIntosh 2100 power amp. > > >> Compared to other components, the cassette deck is very weak. Any ideas > > >> what > > >> I might have done wrong? I believe this was the same setup with its > > >> earlier > > >> owner, who gave me the NAD receiver as well. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Andy Graybeal > > >> Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration > > >> andygraybeal.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- > > >> No virus found in this message. > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >> Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3248 - Release Date: 11/10/10 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Andy Graybeal > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Andy Graybeal Andy Graybeal Design & Illustration andygraybeal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob N PS  Good experimental tapes but no good for anything serious. --- On Fri, 11/12/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Tape SSS To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:42 AM Bob, The food dehydrator trick really works-temporarily. But only if you're trying to copy the tape. Some people have used their ovens, but it's a luck thing there as ovens are not known to be very accurate in reality. Someone on the Net even has a list of all the tapes that ever exhibited SSS. It's less of a problem in cassettes, but does exist there as well. People are even buying SSS in metal reels, just to get the reels and dump the tape! You got unlucky with the Maxell, because it's not a problem with that brand....maybe some other brand got on there.....were they sealed NOS? Tape can be over dehydrated as well and cause it to shed/flake (but not sticky)-like storage in an attic. Then it has to be re-hydrated, but I'm not sure what that involves. Here is a guy that put together a list of sorts. Again, Maxell is considered 'safe' overall. http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=247520 Kevin Message: 20 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nak RD-460 automotive receiver/deck-some OT To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <937331.97181.qm at web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Kevin, I didn't recognize the term SSS.  I have seen that in the past with Scotch and now I bought from e-bay some 3600 foot, 7 inch reel Maxell tapes that shed like mad and are very brittle also. 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 16:41:24 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:41:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: <201011161118.oAGB9Xje011019@zxe.naks.com> References: <201011161118.oAGB9Xje011019@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <862334.58864.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Bob I'm not an expert on the old tapes, but in the R2R tape forums Maxell usually gets a clean bill of health. And many later made prosumer decks were set up with Maxell UDXL 35-180B...like my Tandberg. Very good tape, but I only have one reel of it and that tape brings serious money on ebay. Maxell in the cassette medium of course, was extremely popular. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape SSS To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <492027.96177.qm at web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, No the Maxell's were not NOS. There was also no leaders on the beginning but there was leaders on the ends but didn't look like typical Maxell leaders but I just figured the difference in the leaders were due to the age. These were obviously quite old. My Pioneer is also not calibrated for these tapes. You have to record at a much higher level to get a reasonable playback level. The sound is OK but not as good as a regular 35-90 Maxell. I have also noticed throughout the years that Maxell R2R do not like a lot of plays. I have notice them degrading after a lot of plays. I don't know how many but maybe 25 or 30??? BTW the tapes discussed here are Maxell 3600 feet in a 7 inch real so they are 1/2 mil. Bob N PS Good experimental tapes but no good for anything serious. --- On Fri, 11/12/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Tape SSS To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:42 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 18:11:14 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:11:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: <862334.58864.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <499630.97895.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kevin, You are on the money. Maxells( I have a few dozen RTR tapes type I and EE ) and these are superb. RTR Maxells are even better than their TDK counterparts IMHO. There has not been once incident where I have had a Maxell RTR tape exhibit SSS. Ram. --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 10:41 AM Bob I'm not an expert on the old tapes, but in the R2R tape forums Maxell usually gets a clean bill of health. And many later made prosumer decks were set up with Maxell UDXL 35-180B...like my Tandberg. Very good tape, but I only have one reel of it and that tape brings serious money on ebay. Maxell in the cassette medium of course, was extremely popular. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape SSS To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <492027.96177.qm at web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, No the Maxell's were not NOS.  There was also no leaders on the beginning but there was leaders on the ends but didn't look like typical Maxell leaders but I just figured the difference in the leaders were due to the age.  These were obviously quite old.  My Pioneer is also not calibrated for these tapes.  You have to record at a much higher level to get a reasonable playback level.  The sound is OK but not as good as a regular 35-90 Maxell.  I have also noticed throughout the years that Maxell R2R do not like a lot of plays.  I have notice them degrading after a lot of plays.  I don't know how many but maybe 25 or 30???  BTW the tapes discussed here are Maxell 3600 feet in a 7 inch real so they are 1/2 mil. Bob N PS  Good experimental tapes but no good for anything serious. --- On Fri, 11/12/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Tape SSS To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:42 AM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Nov 16 19:18:47 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:18:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 donation Message-ID: A MR-1 was donated on naks.com. The owner gave this description: "I used this deck to transfer to digital until 6 months ago the take up reel motor started giving trouble.The machine records and plays and I have a complete set of repair and part manuals.I would try to repair the machine but don't have the time." The owner gave this as his location for those close to him who want to pick up: "I am about 35 miles North of Birmingham,Al.in a little town of Bangor in Blount County" Contact me off list for further contact details. Wouter From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 03:29:51 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:29:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale * In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <715682.8760.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ramesh I am back in Bangalore after some trip outside due to the Marriage in our Family - will be in town this and next week I am going to offer the CR3 A ( calibrated and serviced ) to anyone interested in purchasing - as well as Dragon if you are interested ( I will not like to ship the Dragon as I am planning to take it with me if somebody in India not picking up) DRagon has cosmetic issues / probable service issues that can be tackled with my guidance I have a 582 should be working condition ( I have to check today - and report ) please let me know - once I get an email from you I can call you on your mobile fix the time   Kannan --- On Sun, 10/31/10, Ramesh Rao wrote: From: Ramesh Rao Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale * To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 8:08 PM Hi Kannan, I am Ramesh Rao staying in Bangalore also interested in Naks. I would like to know where do you stay in Bangalore and is it possible to meet you during your visit?  I am staying in MS Ramaiah City, JP Nagar 8th Phase, Bangalore 560076. and my mobile number is +9198860 55302.  Regards H Ramesh Rao On 31 October 2010 21:26, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: You chose to allow Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks (naktalk at naks.com) even though this message failed authentication Click to disallow | HI Guys I am having a CR3A fully aligned and calibrated an year ago at my home in Bangalore India for sale - Any naktalker in India interested in this can contact me - I will be in India from Nov 8th I also have a Dragon with some issues available in Bangalore - if somebody india interetsed - contact me off list Worst case I might bring it with me when I come back from India ( Nov 26th I am returning) thanks for your attention kannan ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Regards H Ramesh Rao -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Wed Nov 17 03:45:54 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:45:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale * In-Reply-To: <715682.8760.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <715682.8760.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201cb8601$8edd53f0$ac97fbd0$@net> You have a Dragon you are getting rid of? I am interested. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:30 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale * Hi Ramesh I am back in Bangalore after some trip outside due to the Marriage in our Family - will be in town this and next week I am going to offer the CR3 A ( calibrated and serviced ) to anyone interested in purchasing - as well as Dragon if you are interested ( I will not like to ship the Dragon as I am planning to take it with me if somebody in India not picking up) DRagon has cosmetic issues / probable service issues that can be tackled with my guidance I have a 582 should be working condition ( I have to check today - and report ) please let me know - once I get an email from you I can call you on your mobile fix the time Kannan --- On Sun, 10/31/10, Ramesh Rao wrote: From: Ramesh Rao Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale * To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 8:08 PM Hi Kannan, I am Ramesh Rao staying in Bangalore also interested in Naks. I would like to know where do you stay in Bangalore and is it possible to meet you during your visit? I am staying in MS Ramaiah City, JP Nagar 8th Phase, Bangalore 560076. and my mobile number is +9198860 55302. Regards H Ramesh Rao On 31 October 2010 21:26, kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: You chose to allow Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks (naktalk at naks.com ) even though this message failed authentication Click to disallow | Error! Filename not specified.Error! Filename not specified. HI Guys I am having a CR3A fully aligned and calibrated an year ago at my home in Bangalore India for sale - Any naktalker in India interested in this can contact me - I will be in India from Nov 8th I also have a Dragon with some issues available in Bangalore - if somebody india interetsed - contact me off list Worst case I might bring it with me when I come back from India ( Nov 26th I am returning) thanks for your attention kannan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Regards H Ramesh Rao -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 18:07:49 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:07:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Sound Of Nakamichi Demo Tape Background.... Message-ID: <187007.60146.qm@web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes, I've still got one, have to dig out my other one from a storage area..... This is a demo tape labeled "For Demonstration Purposes Only - Not For Sale"  with a sampler of songs including "I've Got The Music In Me" Thelma Houston, Sheffield Lab. Does anyone know how these tapes were produced?  High speed dubbing?.... machine, Dragon, ZX?... etc..... I picked up the tape when shopping for my RX-505.... Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 18:29:52 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:29:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] This Wasn't Supposed To Happen..... Message-ID: <342233.48795.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Aloha Cheryl says:It seems I've caught the cassette bug again. From 1 broken deck to 5 working decks in just a few months. This wasn't supposed to happen - the cassettes were supposed to go. In the words of B.B. King...... What Happened? Fred in CT w/ 2 working well, 1 working when warm (sticky grease), 1 resting needing cleaning and servicing, 1 ready for a full rebelting.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Nov 17 20:10:18 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:10:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Sound Of Nakamichi Demo Tape Background.... In-Reply-To: <187007.60146.qm@web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <187007.60146.qm@web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <363069.47309.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> These tapes were produced from master tapes from various sources ( digital and analog ) onto TDK MA metal tapes under 70uS equalization with modified Nakamichi ZX-9s in real-time with Dolby-B and C NR. They are considered to be one of the best ( even though if it is not the best ) commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes released when cassette technology is about to be eclipsed by CD. Other than this sample tape, Nakamichi releases two regular series ( Nakamichi Reference Recordings and Sound of Nakamichi ). Hope this help. Enjoy, Mike ________________________________ From: Fred S.C. Li To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 11:07:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Sound Of Nakamichi Demo Tape Background.... Yes, I've still got one, have to dig out my other one from a storage area..... This is a demo tape labeled "For Demonstration Purposes Only - Not For Sale"   with a sampler of songs including "I've Got The Music In Me" Thelma Houston, Sheffield Lab. Does anyone know how these tapes were produced?  High speed dubbing?.... machine, Dragon, ZX?... etc..... I picked up the tape when shopping for my RX-505.... Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 19:27:22 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:27:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-10 Message-ID: <356145.83719.qm@web110807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message: 14 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 23:00:35 -0500 From: Penny Farmer Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-10 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <001FC7EF-CB98-4029-BB3D-41A565B93087 at mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > I just picked up a Nak DR-10 for $10.  The guy I bought it from   > pulled it from his trunk loaded with a pile of old stereo equipment   > and I wasn't expecting much.  Once I got it home and dusted it, I   > found that other than some rub marks along the top front edge, it   > looked very good.  All the lights work and it plays fine.  What is   > everyone's opinion of the DR-10? NICE score, I don't think anyone replied..... and didn't want to leave you in the lurch. Paid 30X that for NOS/NIB when a local dealer was closing out his Nak cassettes. Though it doesn't get any respect on this forum, I find it to be a very capable deck and plays my range of cassettes made on 600, RX-505 beautifully and more recently, RX-202 and CR-7A.  Conversely, recordings made on the DR-10 sound excellent on the RX-202 and CR-7A. As it is "basic" in features offered from Nakamichis, I hope / expect it will last me for some time to come. Good luck. Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 21:02:17 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:02:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Sound Of Nakamichi Demo Tape Background.... In-Reply-To: <187007.60146.qm@web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <187007.60146.qm@web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <407680.26290.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Fred, I can answer some of your questions. The Sound of Nakamichi demo cassette tapes were recorded in Nakamichi's own recording studio. They used a bank of ZX9 machines. Jayson ________________________________ From: Fred S.C. Li To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 12:07:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Sound Of Nakamichi Demo Tape Background.... Yes, I've still got one, have to dig out my other one from a storage area..... This is a demo tape labeled "For Demonstration Purposes Only - Not For Sale"   with a sampler of songs including "I've Got The Music In Me" Thelma Houston, Sheffield Lab. Does anyone know how these tapes were produced?  High speed dubbing?.... machine, Dragon, ZX?... etc..... I picked up the tape when shopping for my RX-505.... Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Philip.Stone at imail.org Thu Nov 18 00:18:42 2010 From: Philip.Stone at imail.org (Philip Stone) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:18:42 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale * Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965D49B8EE6@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Hello, I have a new tire for my nak 303 and would sincerely appreciate a little guidance on replacing it. I have done my 202 which is very simple but am leery of the 303 without guidance. Thanks! Phil From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Pierce Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:46 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale * You have a Dragon you are getting rid of? I am interested. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:30 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale * Hi Ramesh I am back in Bangalore after some trip outside due to the Marriage in our Family - will be in town this and next week I am going to offer the CR3 A ( calibrated and serviced ) to anyone interested in purchasing - as well as Dragon if you are interested ( I will not like to ship the Dragon as I am planning to take it with me if somebody in India not picking up) DRagon has cosmetic issues / probable service issues that can be tackled with my guidance I have a 582 should be working condition ( I have to check today - and report ) please let me know - once I get an email from you I can call you on your mobile fix the time Kannan --- On Sun, 10/31/10, Ramesh Rao wrote: From: Ramesh Rao Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale * To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 8:08 PM Hi Kannan, I am Ramesh Rao staying in Bangalore also interested in Naks. I would like to know where do you stay in Bangalore and is it possible to meet you during your visit? I am staying in MS Ramaiah City, JP Nagar 8th Phase, Bangalore 560076. and my mobile number is +9198860 55302. Regards H Ramesh Rao On 31 October 2010 21:26, kannan srinivasaraghavan > wrote: You chose to allow Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks (naktalk at naks.com) even though this message failed authentication Click to disallow | Error! Filename not specified.Error! Filename not specified. HI Guys I am having a CR3A fully aligned and calibrated an year ago at my home in Bangalore India for sale - Any naktalker in India interested in this can contact me - I will be in India from Nov 8th I also have a Dragon with some issues available in Bangalore - if somebody india interetsed - contact me off list Worst case I might bring it with me when I come back from India ( Nov 26th I am returning) thanks for your attention kannan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Regards H Ramesh Rao -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 20:36:20 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:36:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: <862334.58864.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <684280.57411.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I wonder if these other people have 25 or 30 plays on them? Bob N --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 7:41 AM Bob I'm not an expert on the old tapes, but in the R2R tape forums Maxell usually gets a clean bill of health. And many later made prosumer decks were set up with Maxell UDXL 35-180B...like my Tandberg. Very good tape, but I only have one reel of it and that tape brings serious money on ebay. Maxell in the cassette medium of course, was extremely popular. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape SSS To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <492027.96177.qm at web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, No the Maxell's were not NOS.  There was also no leaders on the beginning but there was leaders on the ends but didn't look like typical Maxell leaders but I just figured the difference in the leaders were due to the age.  These were obviously quite old.  My Pioneer is also not calibrated for these tapes.  You have to record at a much higher level to get a reasonable playback level.  The sound is OK but not as good as a regular 35-90 Maxell.  I have also noticed throughout the years that Maxell R2R do not like a lot of plays.  I have notice them degrading after a lot of plays.  I don't know how many but maybe 25 or 30???  BTW the tapes discussed here are Maxell 3600 feet in a 7 inch real so they are 1/2 mil. Bob N PS  Good experimental tapes but no good for anything serious. --- On Fri, 11/12/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Tape SSS To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:42 AM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ram. --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 10:41 AM Bob I'm not an expert on the old tapes, but in the R2R tape forums Maxell usually gets a clean bill of health. And many later made prosumer decks were set up with Maxell UDXL 35-180B...like my Tandberg. Very good tape, but I only have one reel of it and that tape brings serious money on ebay. Maxell in the cassette medium of course, was extremely popular. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape SSS To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <492027.96177.qm at web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, No the Maxell's were not NOS.  There was also no leaders on the beginning but there was leaders on the ends but didn't look like typical Maxell leaders but I just figured the difference in the leaders were due to the age.  These were obviously quite old.  My Pioneer is also not calibrated for these tapes.  You have to record at a much higher level to get a reasonable playback level.  The sound is OK but not as good as a regular 35-90 Maxell.  I have also noticed throughout the years that Maxell R2R do not like a lot of plays.  I have notice them degrading after a lot of plays.  I don't know how many but maybe 25 or 30???  BTW the tapes discussed here are Maxell 3600 feet in a 7 inch real so they are 1/2 mil. Bob N PS  Good experimental tapes but no good for anything serious. --- On Fri, 11/12/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Tape SSS To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:42 AM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 23:36:36 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:36:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: <574462.3466.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <732944.53324.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, No I have not used any of these tapes for that many plays ever. I guess after that many plays what you state might be true. However, I would also check out the deck's alignment and other tape path esthetics. Regards, Ram. --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 2:39 PM Ram, I agree that the Maxell is much better than the TDK for R2R.  Have you used your tapes for 25 or 30 plays?  I only have a couple that have had that many plays but I've had problems with both after that much use.  Bob N --- On Tue, 11/16/10, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 9:11 AM Kevin, You are on the money. Maxells( I have a few dozen RTR tapes type I and EE ) and these are superb. RTR Maxells are even better than their TDK counterparts IMHO. There has not been once incident where I have had a Maxell RTR tape exhibit SSS. Ram. --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 10:41 AM Bob I'm not an expert on the old tapes, but in the R2R tape forums Maxell usually gets a clean bill of health. And many later made prosumer decks were set up with Maxell UDXL 35-180B...like my Tandberg. Very good tape, but I only have one reel of it and that tape brings serious money on ebay. Maxell in the cassette medium of course, was extremely popular. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape SSS To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <492027.96177.qm at web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin, No the Maxell's were not NOS.  There was also no leaders on the beginning but there was leaders on the ends but didn't look like typical Maxell leaders but I just figured the difference in the leaders were due to the age.  These were obviously quite old.  My Pioneer is also not calibrated for these tapes.  You have to record at a much higher level to get a reasonable playback level.  The sound is OK but not as good as a regular 35-90 Maxell.  I have also noticed throughout the years that Maxell R2R do not like a lot of plays.  I have notice them degrading after a lot of plays.  I don't know how many but maybe 25 or 30???  BTW the tapes discussed here are Maxell 3600 feet in a 7 inch real so they are 1/2 mil. Bob N PS  Good experimental tapes but no good for anything serious. --- On Fri, 11/12/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Tape SSS To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:42 AM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 23:19:40 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:19:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Sound Of Nakamichi Demo Tape Background.... In-Reply-To: <407680.26290.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <265555.68320.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have this one.  It sounds incredible!  Bob N --- On Wed, 11/17/10, jayson levitz wrote: From: jayson levitz Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Sound Of Nakamichi Demo Tape Background.... To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 12:02 PM Fred, I can answer some of your questions.   The Sound of Nakamichi demo cassette tapes were recorded in Nakamichi's own recording studio. They used a bank of ZX9 machines.   Jayson From: Fred S.C. Li To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 12:07:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Sound Of Nakamichi Demo Tape Background.... Yes, I've still got one, have to dig out my other one from a storage area..... This is a demo tape labeled "For Demonstration Purposes Only - Not For Sale"   with a sampler of songs including "I've Got The Music In Me" Thelma Houston, Sheffield Lab. Does anyone know how these tapes were produced?  High speed dubbing?.... machine, Dragon, ZX?... etc..... I picked up the tape when shopping for my RX-505.... Fred in CT -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 00:38:55 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:38:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: <684280.57411.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <684280.57411.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <983789.3076.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have Maxell XLI, UD and UD-XLs that have had many plays on them. They last pretty well given the very tough weather conditions where I live. They still sound very good after at least a hundred plays (at 15 ips). The deck used to play them is important because tape handling varies from machine to machine. Similarly, I have found That's tapes to be very good with cassettes although I have to compare them side by side with Maxell's cassette tapes. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:36:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS I wonder if these other people have 25 or 30 plays on them? Bob N --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: >From: Kevin Fetner >Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 7:41 AM > > >Bob >I'm not an expert on the old tapes, but in the R2R tape forums Maxell usually >gets a clean bill of health. And many later made prosumer decks were set up with >Maxell UDXL 35-180B...like my Tandberg. Very good tape, but I only have one >reel of it and that tape brings serious money on ebay. Maxell in the cassette >medium of course, was extremely popular. > >Kevin > > > ________________________________ Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:46 -0800 (PST) >From: Bob Naylor >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape SSS >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <492027.96177.qm at web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Kevin, No the Maxell's were not NOS. There was also no leaders on the >beginning but there was leaders on the ends but didn't look like typical Maxell >leaders but I just figured the difference in the leaders were due to the age. >These were obviously quite old. My Pioneer is also not calibrated for these >tapes. You have to record at a much higher level to get a reasonable playback >level. The sound is OK but not as good as a regular 35-90 Maxell. I have also >noticed throughout the years that Maxell R2R do not like a lot of plays. I >have notice them degrading after a lot of plays. I don't know how many but >maybe 25 or 30??? BTW the tapes discussed here are Maxell 3600 feet in a 7 >inch real so they are 1/2 mil. >Bob N >PS Good experimental tapes but no good for anything serious. > >--- On Fri, 11/12/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: > >From: Kevin Fetner >Subject: [naktalk] Tape SSS >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:42 AM >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gertedude at kc.rr.com Thu Nov 18 23:52:53 2010 From: gertedude at kc.rr.com (Gerd) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:52:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 control belt In-Reply-To: <217203.25750.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <217203.25750.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84.A0.12606.A1EA5EC4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Bob N., thanks for the post. 1. I have a similar problem with an LX-3, but a little worse so when going into Record mode. The mechanism needs a little push to finish, or multiple hits on the Play or Record button. Does the same belt control both Play and Record? 2. Sounds like this replacement can be made without pulling the transport out. Is that correct? 3. Please give further details on buying the belt from Fred Marrs. Thanks, Gerd At 10:04 AM 11/18/2010, you wrote: >Just some info... My LX-5 was having trouble going completely into >play so the control motor kept running until I helped it by hand to >go completely into play. Willy suggested trying a new control motor >belt. I got a new belt from Fred Marrs and the deck now works percfectly! >Thank you Fred for the quality part and Willy for the >suggestion. It took longer to take the covers off than it did to >replace the belt. Nothing had to come apart to replace it. Just put it on >Bob N > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 15:15:26 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:15:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 control belt In-Reply-To: <84.A0.12606.A1EA5EC4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <37245.8441.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Answers, 1. Yes 2.Yes. 3. Fred Marrs has an ebay store or you may reach him at fred at marrscom.com Ram. --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Gerd wrote: > From: Gerd > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 control belt > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 5:52 PM > Bob N., thanks for the post. > > 1. I have a similar problem with an LX-3, but a little > worse so when going into Record mode.  The mechanism > needs a little push to finish, or multiple hits on the Play > or Record button.  Does the same belt control both Play > and Record? > > 2. Sounds like this replacement can be made without pulling > the transport out.  Is that correct? > > 3. Please give further details on buying the belt from Fred > Marrs. > > Thanks, Gerd > > At 10:04 AM 11/18/2010, you wrote: > > Just some info...  My LX-5 was having trouble > going completely into play so the control motor kept running > until I helped it by hand to go completely into play.  > Willy suggested trying a new control motor belt.  I got > a new belt from Fred Marrs and the deck now works > percfectly! > > Thank you Fred for the quality part and Willy for the > suggestion.  It took longer to take the covers off than > it did to replace the belt.  Nothing had to come apart > to replace it.  Just put it on > > Bob N > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >           Also > check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                >          Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >        Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Nov 19 18:34:43 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:34:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 control belt In-Reply-To: <84.A0.12606.A1EA5EC4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <217203.25750.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <84.A0.12606.A1EA5EC4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: Yes, the same belt operates all functions. Fast Forward and rewind don't require the cam to move very far so will usually work. Both play and record require the head block to move into the cassette housing so require better torque. The belt is replaceable without removing the transport - take off top and bottom cover and you can see it. Get the belt by contacting Fred: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Willy On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Gerd wrote: > Bob N., thanks for the post. > > 1. I have a similar problem with an LX-3, but a little worse so when going > into Record mode. The mechanism needs a little push to finish, or multiple > hits on the Play or Record button. Does the same belt control both Play and > Record? > > 2. Sounds like this replacement can be made without pulling the transport > out. Is that correct? > > 3. Please give further details on buying the belt from Fred Marrs. > > Thanks, Gerd > > At 10:04 AM 11/18/2010, you wrote: > >> Just some info... My LX-5 was having trouble going completely into play >> so the control motor kept running until I helped it by hand to go completely >> into play. Willy suggested trying a new control motor belt. I got a new >> belt from Fred Marrs and the deck now works percfectly! >> Thank you Fred for the quality part and Willy for the suggestion. It took >> longer to take the covers off than it did to replace the belt. Nothing had >> to come apart to replace it. 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Fred Marrs has an ebay store or you may reach him at fred at marrscom.com Ram. --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Gerd wrote: > From: Gerd > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 control belt > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 5:52 PM > Bob N., thanks for the post. > > 1. I have a similar problem with an LX-3, but a little > worse so when going into Record mode.  The mechanism > needs a little push to finish, or multiple hits on the Play > or Record button.  Does the same belt control both Play > and Record? > > 2. Sounds like this replacement can be made without pulling > the transport out.  Is that correct? > > 3. Please give further details on buying the belt from Fred > Marrs. > > Thanks, Gerd > > At 10:04 AM 11/18/2010, you wrote: > > Just some info...  My LX-5 was having trouble > going completely into play so the control motor kept running > until I helped it by hand to go completely into play.  > Willy suggested trying a new control motor belt.  I got > a new belt from Fred Marrs and the deck now works > percfectly! > > Thank you Fred for the quality part and Willy for the > suggestion.  It took longer to take the covers off than > it did to replace the belt.  Nothing had to come apart > to replace it.  Just put it on > > Bob N > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >           Also > check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                >          Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >        Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >       ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gertedude at kc.rr.com Fri Nov 19 19:53:28 2010 From: gertedude at kc.rr.com (Gerd) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:53:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 control belt In-Reply-To: References: <217203.25750.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <84.A0.12606.A1EA5EC4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks Willy and Shanti for the info. Gerd At 11:34 AM 11/19/2010, you wrote: >Yes, the same belt operates all functions. Fast Forward and rewind >don't require the cam to move very far so will usually work. Both >play and record require the head block to move into the cassette >housing so require better torque. The belt is replaceable without >removing the transport - take off top and bottom cover and you can see it. > >Get the belt by contacting >Fred: >marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com > >Willy > >On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Gerd ><gertedude at kc.rr.com> wrote: >Bob N., thanks for the post. > >1. I have a similar problem with an LX-3, but a little worse so when >going into Record mode. The mechanism needs a little push to >finish, or multiple hits on the Play or Record button. Does the >same belt control both Play and Record? > >2. Sounds like this replacement can be made without pulling the >transport out. Is that correct? > >3. Please give further details on buying the belt from Fred Marrs. > >Thanks, Gerd > >At 10:04 AM 11/18/2010, you wrote: >Just some info... My LX-5 was having trouble going completely into >play so the control motor kept running until I helped it by hand to >go completely into play. Willy suggested trying a new control motor >belt. I got a new belt from Fred Marrs and the deck now works percfectly! >Thank you Fred for the quality part and Willy for the >suggestion. It took longer to take the covers off than it did to >replace the belt. Nothing had to come apart to replace it. 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Thanks, Gerd At 10:04 AM 11/18/2010, you wrote: > Just some info...  My LX-5 was having trouble going completely into play so the control motor kept running until I helped it by hand to go completely into play.  Willy suggested trying a new control motor belt.  I got a new belt from Fred Marrs and the deck now works percfectly! > Thank you Fred for the quality part and Willy for the suggestion.  It took longer to take the covers off than it did to replace the belt.  Nothing had to come apart to replace it.  Just put it on > Bob N > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Sat Nov 20 15:17:19 2010 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:17:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 11-13-10 NAKAMICHI HOLIDAY SALE ! Message-ID: <4CE7D86F.6030100@marrscom.com> *11-13-10 NAKAMICHI HOLIDAYSALE ! ALL 8096-D2 FACTORY BELT KITS ARE ON SALE FOR THE HOLIDAYS THIS IS THE MOST COMMON KIT FOR THE " CLASSIC " MODELS. HAPPY HOLIDAYS, FRED M. ** HOLIDAY SHIPPING SCHEDULE ** THE SHIPMENT OF ORDERS WILL END11-23 and RESUME ON 11-29. The store will remain openBUT, shipmentsWILL be Delayed F.M.** From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 20 20:31:24 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:31:24 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] This Wasn't Supposed To Happen..... In-Reply-To: <342233.48795.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <342233.48795.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Flaking factory CD's were a game-changer. Almost bid on another deck on ebay but managed to restrain myself - at least temporarily. There is no place left in this little house for covers and faceplates. :-) _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred S.C. Li Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] This Wasn't Supposed To Happen..... Aloha Cheryl says: It seems I've caught the cassette bug again. From 1 broken deck to 5 working decks in just a few months. This wasn't supposed to happen - the cassettes were supposed to go. In the words of B.B. King...... What Happened? Fred in CT w/ 2 working well, 1 working when warm (sticky grease), 1 resting needing cleaning and servicing, 1 ready for a full rebelting.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 21 01:27:09 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:27:09 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner In-Reply-To: <004001cb88ed$ceef7f60$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <342233.48795.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <004001cb88ed$ceef7f60$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: I got some Caig CaiKleen A/V, Caig CaiKleen RBR, and Caig DeOxit. They worked all worked great. The face of my amp and preamp are the same stuff as the face of the Nak 682ZX--hey guys, what is that metal/finish? Is it anodized? Anyway, when cleaning the preamp switches, I got a little bit of deoxit on the preamp face. I carefully cleaned it off with a soft cloth and noticed that it cleaned up the face nicely and removed oxidation and finger marks like nothing else that I've tried. Then both the amp and preamp got a nice dose on their faces and they look like children again instead of dried out, wrinkled old fogies. LOVE DeOxit. Next up is my face. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 10:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner Has anyone tried the Seatle HIFI head cleaner on E-Bay? My 30 year old bottle of Radio Shack cleaner has finally completely evaporated away and I was going to order some American-recorder cleaner but they want $23 for shipping! How about the the pinch roller revitalizer? or should I stick to Rubber-Renew? Thanks, Rainer S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 18:56:44 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:56:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner In-Reply-To: <004001cb88ed$ceef7f60$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <342233.48795.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <004001cb88ed$ceef7f60$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <483867F5-1AAC-4959-8268-152004A4A8F8@gmail.com> Yes, his cleaner are very good. Special the pinch roller cleaner from seattlehifi. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PRO-STUDIO-QUALITY-PINCH-ROLLER-CLEANER-AKAI- ect-/400078177674 This cleaner smells axact like a pinch roller cleaner from TEAC from 1979,..... I did still have in use. Must be the same. Both, head cleaner and pinch roller cleaner work great. For the heads you can use a clean alcohol without any adds . thanks to this seller again . regards to all listeners from europe Am 20.11.2010 um 21:02 schrieb Rainer & Joy-Ell: > Has anyone tried the Seatle HIFI head cleaner on E-Bay? My 30 year > old bottle of Radio Shack cleaner has finally completely evaporated > away and I was going to order some American-recorder cleaner but > they want $23 for shipping! How about the the pinch roller > revitalizer? or should I stick to Rubber-Renew? > > Thanks, > Rainer S. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denis.che at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 21:06:24 2010 From: denis.che at gmail.com (Denis) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:06:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-300 cassette deck plays but makes no sound, just pops In-Reply-To: References: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> Message-ID: I am happy to report that I've nursed the BX-300 back to good health. I've replaced all the electrolytic capacitors in the power supply, as well as the 8 transistors that were there. All were cheap and obtainable. I also replaced other electrolytics on the main board that were 100uF value and above. Plays great and hopefully will stay healthy :-) Thanks for the help! On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Denis wrote: > Ron, > > Thanks for the suggestion of checking the electrolytics.  Someone else > on another forum also had an electrolytic cap out on their BX-300, and > that seemed to resolve the problem. > > I don't have any test equipment other than my digital multimeter, so I > am kind of limited to simple methods and some luck. > > Denis > From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 23:21:28 2010 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:21:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: <983789.3076.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <684280.57411.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <983789.3076.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I never had any problems with vintage tapes except some Ampex. 3M Scotch is also excellent.Speaking of R2R, there is a rare Nak Fidela Reel to Reel Recorder on ebay right now...Regards,M On 11/18/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I have Maxell XLI, UD and UD-XLs that have had many plays on them. They last > pretty well given the very tough weather conditions where I live. They still > sound very good after at least a hundred plays (at 15 ips). The deck used to > play them is important because tape handling varies from machine to machine. > Similarly, I have found That's tapes to be very good with cassettes although > I > have to compare them side by side with Maxell's cassette tapes. > > > Regards, > Bala > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Naylor > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:36:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS > > > I wonder if these other people have 25 or 30 plays on them? > Bob N > > --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > >>From: Kevin Fetner >>Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 7:41 AM >> >> >>Bob >>I'm not an expert on the old tapes, but in the R2R tape forums Maxell >> usually >>gets a clean bill of health. And many later made prosumer decks were set up >> with >>Maxell UDXL 35-180B...like my Tandberg. Very good tape, but I only have >> one >>reel of it and that tape brings serious money on ebay. Maxell in the >> cassette >>medium of course, was extremely popular. >> >>Kevin >> >> >> > ________________________________ > Message: 1 >>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:46 -0800 (PST) >>From: Bob Naylor >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape SSS >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Message-ID: <492027.96177.qm at web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >>Kevin, No the Maxell's were not NOS. There was also no leaders on the >>beginning but there was leaders on the ends but didn't look like typical >> Maxell >>leaders but I just figured the difference in the leaders were due to the >> age. >>These were obviously quite old. My Pioneer is also not calibrated for >> these >>tapes. You have to record at a much higher level to get a reasonable >> playback >>level. The sound is OK but not as good as a regular 35-90 Maxell. I have >> also >>noticed throughout the years that Maxell R2R do not like a lot of plays. >> I >>have notice them degrading after a lot of plays. I don't know how many >> but >>maybe 25 or 30??? BTW the tapes discussed here are Maxell 3600 feet in a >> 7 >>inch real so they are 1/2 mil. >>Bob N >>PS Good experimental tapes but no good for anything serious. >> >>--- On Fri, 11/12/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> >>From: Kevin Fetner >>Subject: [naktalk] Tape SSS >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:42 AM >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 23:55:41 2010 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:55:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: References: <684280.57411.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <983789.3076.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Beautiful piece of kit that reel to reel On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:21 PM, MD wrote: > I never had any problems with vintage tapes except some Ampex. 3M > Scotch is also excellent.Speaking of R2R, there is a rare Nak Fidela > Reel to Reel Recorder on ebay right now...Regards,M > > On 11/18/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> I have Maxell XLI, UD and UD-XLs that have had many plays on them. They last >> pretty well given the very tough weather conditions where I live. They still >> sound very good after at least a hundred plays (at 15 ips). The deck used to >> play them is important because tape handling varies from machine to machine. >> Similarly, I have found That's tapes to be very good with cassettes although >> I >> have to compare them side by side with Maxell's cassette tapes. >> >> >> Regards, >> Bala >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob Naylor >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:36:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS >> >> >> I wonder if these other people have 25 or 30 plays on them? >> Bob N >> >> --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> >> >>>From: Kevin Fetner >>>Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 7:41 AM >>> >>> >>>Bob >>>I'm not an expert on the old tapes, but in the R2R tape forums Maxell >>> usually >>>gets a clean bill of health. And many later made prosumer decks were set up >>> with >>>Maxell UDXL 35-180B...like my Tandberg. Very  good tape, but I only have >>> one >>>reel of it and that tape brings serious money on ebay. Maxell in the >>> cassette >>>medium of course, was extremely popular. >>> >>>Kevin >>> >>> >>> >> ________________________________ >> Message: 1 >>>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:46 -0800 (PST) >>>From: Bob Naylor >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape SSS >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Message-ID: <492027.96177.qm at web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>>Kevin,  No the Maxell's were not NOS.  There was also no leaders on the >>>beginning but there was leaders on the ends but didn't look like typical >>> Maxell >>>leaders but I just figured the difference in the leaders were  due to the >>> age. >>>These were obviously quite old.  My Pioneer is also not  calibrated for >>> these >>>tapes.  You have to record at a much higher level  to get a reasonable >>> playback >>>level.  The sound is OK but not as good as a  regular 35-90 Maxell.  I have >>> also >>>noticed throughout the years that  Maxell R2R do not like a lot of plays. >>> I >>>have notice them degrading  after a lot of plays.  I don't know how many >>> but >>>maybe 25 or 30???  BTW  the tapes discussed here are Maxell 3600 feet in a >>> 7 >>>inch real so they  are 1/2 mil. >>>Bob N >>>PS  Good experimental tapes but no good for anything serious. >>> >>>--- On Fri, 11/12/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: >>> >>>From: Kevin Fetner >>>Subject: [naktalk] Tape SSS >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:42 AM >>>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 22 00:45:24 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:45:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: References: <684280.57411.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <983789.3076.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <758040.67143.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree about the Scotch - many famous albums were mastered using Scotch and they just sound amazing. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: MD To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 6:21:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS I never had any problems with vintage tapes except some Ampex. 3M Scotch is also excellent.Speaking of R2R, there is a rare Nak Fidela Reel to Reel Recorder on ebay right now...Regards,M On 11/18/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I have Maxell XLI, UD and UD-XLs that have had many plays on them. They last > pretty well given the very tough weather conditions where I live. They still > sound very good after at least a hundred plays (at 15 ips). The deck used to > play them is important because tape handling varies from machine to machine. > Similarly, I have found That's tapes to be very good with cassettes although > I > have to compare them side by side with Maxell's cassette tapes. > > > Regards, > Bala > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Naylor > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:36:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS > > > I wonder if these other people have 25 or 30 plays on them? > Bob N > > --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > >>From: Kevin Fetner >>Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 7:41 AM >> >> >>Bob >>I'm not an expert on the old tapes, but in the R2R tape forums Maxell >> usually >>gets a clean bill of health. And many later made prosumer decks were set up >> with >>Maxell UDXL 35-180B...like my Tandberg. Very good tape, but I only have >> one >>reel of it and that tape brings serious money on ebay. Maxell in the >> cassette >>medium of course, was extremely popular. >> >>Kevin >> >> >> > ________________________________ > Message: 1 >>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:46 -0800 (PST) >>From: Bob Naylor >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape SSS >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Message-ID: <492027.96177.qm at web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >>Kevin, No the Maxell's were not NOS. There was also no leaders on the >>beginning but there was leaders on the ends but didn't look like typical >> Maxell >>leaders but I just figured the difference in the leaders were due to the >> age. >>These were obviously quite old. My Pioneer is also not calibrated for >> these >>tapes. You have to record at a much higher level to get a reasonable >> playback >>level. The sound is OK but not as good as a regular 35-90 Maxell. I have >> also >>noticed throughout the years that Maxell R2R do not like a lot of plays. >> I >>have notice them degrading after a lot of plays. I don't know how many >> but >>maybe 25 or 30??? BTW the tapes discussed here are Maxell 3600 feet in a >> 7 >>inch real so they are 1/2 mil. >>Bob N >>PS Good experimental tapes but no good for anything serious. >> >>--- On Fri, 11/12/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> >>From: Kevin Fetner >>Subject: [naktalk] Tape SSS >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:42 AM >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: jay knickerbocker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS do you have the ebay item # for the 'fidela' r2r. i just did a search but didn't find it. thanks. --- On Sun, 11/21/10, MD wrote: From: MD Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 2:21 PM .Speaking of R2R, there is a rare Nak Fidela Reel to Reel Recorder on ebay right now...Regards,M ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Mon Nov 22 12:41:36 2010 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 03:41:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: <762285.91792.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <597857.44305.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> 220697250908 is the item #.  Didn't know Nak actually had their name on any reel to reel machines... --- On Sun, 11/21/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:16 PM do you have the ebay item # for the 'fidela' r2r. i just did a search but didn't find it. thanks. --- On Sun, 11/21/10, MD wrote: From: MD Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 2:21 PM .Speaking of R2R, there is a rare Nak Fidela Reel to Reel Recorder on ebay right now...Regards,M ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hskooner at hotmail.com Mon Nov 22 13:00:18 2010 From: hskooner at hotmail.com (Harpreet Singh Kooner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:00:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: <798066A935084E5C86A9C4E19500D79A@home> References: <762285.91792.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, <798066A935084E5C86A9C4E19500D79A@home> Message-ID: Hi people,this is the link http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220697250908&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1156 or enter Item number: 220697250908 in the search box I'm in the UK if I was in the US I'd buy this; and don't ever allow ampex reels near your R2R - if you can just avoid them From: wdrewes at iafrica.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:39:35 +0200 Just search for 'Nakamichi' on the USA eBay and make sure you have ebay list the new items first. You will easily come accross the 'fidelia'. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: jay knickerbocker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS do you have the ebay item # for the 'fidela' r2r. i just did a search but didn't find it. thanks. --- On Sun, 11/21/10, MD wrote: From: MD Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 2:21 PM .Speaking of R2R, there is a rare Nak Fidela Reel to Reel Recorder on ebay right now...Regards,M ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 16:46:10 2010 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:46:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: References: <762285.91792.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <798066A935084E5C86A9C4E19500D79A@home> Message-ID: The reel to reel model was named actually "Fidela 33", not "Fidelia". On 11/22/10, Harpreet Singh Kooner wrote: > > Hi people,this is the link > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220697250908&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1156 > or enter Item number: 220697250908 in the search box > I'm in the UK if I was in the US I'd buy this; and don't ever allow ampex > reels near your R2R - if you can just avoid them > > From: wdrewes at iafrica.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:39:35 +0200 > > > > > > > > > > > Just search for 'Nakamichi' on the USA eBay > and make sure you have ebay list the new items first. You will easily come > accross the 'fidelia'. > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > jay > knickerbocker > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:16 > AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS > > > > > > do you have the ebay item # for the 'fidela' r2r. > i > just did a search but didn't find it. > thanks. > > --- On Sun, > 11/21/10, MD > wrote: > > > From: > MD > Subject: > Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Date: > Sunday, November 21, 2010, 2:21 PM > > > .Speaking of R2R, there is a rare Nak > Fidela > Reel to Reel Recorder on ebay right > now...Regards,M > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From fred at marrscom.com Sat Nov 20 16:23:58 2010 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:23:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI HOLIDAY SALE ! Message-ID: <4CE7E80E.30304@marrscom.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Tue Nov 23 16:19:43 2010 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:19:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: <201011231117.oANB8I72005354@zxe.naks.com> References: <201011231117.oANB8I72005354@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0LCC00BQ3FWR2210@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> re: Nakamichi Fidela 33 R>R tape recorder >EBay # 220697250908 >I'm in the UK if I was in the US I'd buy this... >From: wdrewes at iafrica.com And if you plug it in without a step down transformer, you could destroy it. It was made for Japanese AC current: 100V, not 120. My Sony TC9000F-2 is the same way. Marc Stager From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 17:42:11 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:42:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS/Nak R2R In-Reply-To: <201011231117.oANB8I72005354@zxe.naks.com> References: <201011231117.oANB8I72005354@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <156909.49920.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Other than the fact it has the name Nak on it, I question the playback and record quality of this machine as opposed to a Otari, Tandberg, Crown, Teac/Tascam, Technics etc. It's going to a 'collectionist', not somebody after music purity. And the price is pretty high already for something with cracks in the pinch roller and an un-restored, unserviced machine. Niche market, supply & demand on ebay....what more can I say? Which begs the question: who really made this R2R? Nak probably didn't..... Message: 1 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 03:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: jesse ruff Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <597857.44305.qm at web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 220697250908 is the item #. Didn't know Nak actually had their name on any reel to reel machines... --- On Sun, 11/21/10, jay knickerbocker wrote: From: jay knickerbocker Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:16 PM do you have the ebay item # for the 'fidela' r2r. i just did a search but didn't find it. thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 21:29:55 2010 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:29:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS In-Reply-To: <0LCC00BQ3FWR2210@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> References: <201011231117.oANB8I72005354@zxe.naks.com> <0LCC00BQ3FWR2210@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I have to disagree on that...Yes,ideally you'll need a step-down transformer but it will operate fine on 100V. I had Sony ES amp and Dat deck made for Japanese market with no problems running them on 110V. I had Japanese made transformer with switchable polarity which was pretty cool as well.The older electronics were built to a different quality standard than modern ones.Don't try this with flimsy dvd player.Chances are it will be fried instantly/ On 11/23/10, Marc Stager wrote: > re: Nakamichi Fidela 33 R>R tape recorder > >>EBay # 220697250908 >>I'm in the UK if I was in the US I'd buy this... >>From: wdrewes at iafrica.com > > And if you plug it in without a step down transformer, you could destroy it. > It was made for Japanese AC current: 100V, not 120. > My Sony TC9000F-2 is the same way. > > Marc Stager > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 13:43:22 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:43:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 33 Fidela Message-ID: <122691303-1290602604-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-513592389-@bda2958.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Just read the wikipedia about Nakamichi. They did indeed make the Fidela themselves. Of course a possibly 1960s RTR is a collectible vs a daily driver. Perry Esposito - From my phone From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Wed Nov 24 23:23:47 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:23:47 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS/Nak R2R In-Reply-To: <201011241107.oAOB048n009303@zxe.naks.com> References: <201011241107.oAOB048n009303@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: If Nakamichi's self penned history is to be believed, then the man himself started his RTR's experience back in the early 50's, culminating with the release of his own machine, under the Fidela brand, back in 1957...reading between the lines, no reason to suggest that it was 'toll' manufactured on Nak's behalf. 'If' it was somebody elses chassis, the heads would have been Nakamichi at least, as they were making them for other manufacturers by then I couldn't envisage this machine having any lesser performance than any of it's contemporaries, it doesn't fit with the Nakamichi psych. It would be reasonable to expect that this Fidela would perform as well as a Tandberg or Ferrograph etc of similar vintage. At a guess, the Nakamichi RTR sales would have been domestic market only, hence why so few are encountered in other parts of the world AFAIK Nakamichi ceased making RTRs in 1972, and we all know what happened next :o) Definitely a machine for a collector though..wonder whether it has a date of manufacture on it. > Other than the fact it has the name Nak on it, I question the playback and > record quality of this machine as opposed to a Otari, Tandberg, Crown, > Teac/Tascam, Technics etc. It's going to a 'collectionist', not somebody > after > music purity. And the price is pretty high already for something with > cracks in > the pinch roller and an un-restored, unserviced machine. Niche market, > supply & > demand on ebay....what more can I say? Which begs the question: who really > made > this R2R? Nak probably didn't..... > > From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Nov 24 17:13:50 2010 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:13:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Sound Of Nakamichi Demo Tape Background.... Message-ID: <278427.56383.qm@web110802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you Lena and Jayson.  Yes, this tape sounds spectacular, Bob. There is a test tape section at the end of Side B.  Has anyone used these test sections to tweak their decks? and then verified with instruments on the effectiveness of using these sections?   Thanks in Advance Fred in CT  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you can help me out in this pl let me know by detailing the procedure or if you know the mechanic etc. I was also interested in having a look at your CR3. Thanks and Regards H Ramesh Rao +91 98860 55302 On 17 November 2010 07:59, kannan srinivasaraghavan < kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Ramesh > I am back in Bangalore after some trip outside due to the Marriage in our > Family - will be in town this and next week > I am going to offer the CR3 A ( calibrated and serviced ) to anyone > interested in purchasing - as well as Dragon if you are interested ( I will > not like to ship the Dragon as I am planning to take it with me if somebody > in India not picking up) > DRagon has cosmetic issues / probable service issues that can be tackled > with my guidance > I have a 582 should be working condition ( I have to check today - and > report ) > please let me know - once I get an email from you I can call you on your > mobile fix the time > > Kannan > > > --- On *Sun, 10/31/10, Ramesh Rao * wrote: > > > From: Ramesh Rao > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak CR3 A in India - Bangalore for sale * > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 8:08 PM > > > Hi Kannan, > > I am Ramesh Rao staying in Bangalore also interested in Naks. I would like > to know where do you stay in Bangalore and is it possible to meet you during > your visit? > > I am staying in MS Ramaiah City, JP Nagar 8th Phase, Bangalore 560076. and > my mobile number is +9198860 55302. > > Regards > H Ramesh Rao > > > > On 31 October 2010 21:26, kannan srinivasaraghavan < > kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com > > wrote: > > You chose to allow Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks (naktalk at naks.com) > even though this message failed authentication > Click to disallow| [image: > Boxbe] > > HI Guys > I am having a CR3A fully aligned and calibrated an year ago at my home in > Bangalore India for sale - Any naktalker in India interested in this can > contact me - I will be in India from Nov 8th > I also have a Dragon with some issues available in Bangalore - if somebody > india interetsed - contact me off list > Worst case I might bring it with me when I come back from India ( Nov 26th > I am returning) > thanks for your attention > kannan > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Regards > H Ramesh Rao > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Regards H Ramesh Rao -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But there's a lot more than heads to a R2R...like the entire transport system and how it handles tape. Even some of the best machines in the world can handle tape roughly and be fussy at times. I guess we'll never know unless someone can find a written shootout of these machines against its contemporaries. Interesting to speculate about though and I pity the collector searching for parts because he actually wants to use one. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:23:47 +1300 (NZDT) From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS/Nak R2R To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 If Nakamichi's self penned history is to be believed, then the man himself started his RTR's experience back in the early 50's, culminating with the release of his own machine, under the Fidela brand, back in 1957...reading between the lines, no reason to suggest that it was 'toll' manufactured on Nak's behalf. 'If' it was somebody elses chassis, the heads would have been Nakamichi at least, as they were making them for other manufacturers by then I couldn't envisage this machine having any lesser performance than any of it's contemporaries, it doesn't fit with the Nakamichi psych. It would be reasonable to expect that this Fidela would perform as well as a Tandberg or Ferrograph etc of similar vintage. At a guess, the Nakamichi RTR sales would have been domestic market only, hence why so few are encountered in other parts of the world AFAIK Nakamichi ceased making RTRs in 1972, and we all know what happened next :o) Definitely a machine for a collector though..wonder whether it has a date of manufacture on it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Nov 26 02:06:12 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 17:06:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS/Nak R2R Message-ID: <988543.17018.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I've been able to get some more info on the Fidela. It was manufactured by Oki Recorders of Japan. As I suspected, a very middle of the road deck, in spite of the possibility of Etsuro's electronics. Nothing mentioned anywhere about a two track and 15ips, for example. Aside from exclusivity in the US, the deck is by no means any sort of benchmark Nakamichi product-as you say, that all came later. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:23:47 +1300 (NZDT) From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS/Nak R2R To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 If Nakamichi's self penned history is to be believed, then the man himself started his RTR's experience back in the early 50's, culminating with the release of his own machine, under the Fidela brand, back in 1957...reading between the lines, no reason to suggest that it was 'toll' manufactured on Nak's behalf. 'If' it was somebody elses chassis, the heads would have been Nakamichi at least, as they were making them for other manufacturers by then I couldn't envisage this machine having any lesser performance than any of it's contemporaries, it doesn't fit with the Nakamichi psych. It would be reasonable to expect that this Fidela would perform as well as a Tandberg or Ferrograph etc of similar vintage. At a guess, the Nakamichi RTR sales would have been domestic market only, hence why so few are encountered in other parts of the world AFAIK Nakamichi ceased making RTRs in 1972, and we all know what happened next :o) Definitely a machine for a collector though..wonder whether it has a date of manufacture on it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yeungchc at yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 09:49:56 2010 From: yeungchc at yahoo.com (YEUNG Chi-hung) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 00:49:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fw: BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode Message-ID: <21719.71625.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 11/27/10, YEUNG Chi-hung wrote: From: YEUNG Chi-hung Subject: BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 2:34 PM I have searched through the naktalk archive and found nobody to talk about this issue. I bought my BX-300 in 1990 and it is now still working perfectly in the play mode. Recently, I have found that I could not enter the record mode when I wanted to record some music from the radio stations. I have dismantled the control switch PCB and re-soldered some solder points which were suspected to be cold joints. I also checked the switch SW703 and found it was O.K., but I could not detect any voltages on transistor Q702 when the power was on. In fact, I do not know how to check the condition of Q702 because it is a 2SC3399 fitted with micro-resistors inside. Grateful if any experienced naktalkers would enlighten me what further steps I should take to bring the record mode back to life again. Thank you in advance.   CH   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Nov 27 11:42:01 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 02:42:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode In-Reply-To: <21719.71625.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <21719.71625.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: (1) Is the recordable-tape detect switch sending the appropriate data to the syscon IC? (2) Are the analog switches that activate RECORD doing so? Is the syscon IC issuing a command to the switches? (3) Is the bias oscillator running? (4) Is the signal at LINE IN getting through to the record-level meters, but still not getting recorded? -- or is there no pass-through to the record-level meters? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:49 AM, YEUNG Chi-hung wrote: > > > --- On *Sat, 11/27/10, YEUNG Chi-hung * wrote: > > > From: YEUNG Chi-hung > Subject: BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 2:34 PM > > I have searched through the naktalk archive and found nobody to talk > about this issue. I bought my BX-300 in 1990 and it is now still working > perfectly in the play mode. Recently, I have found that I could not enter > the record mode when I wanted to record some music from the radio stations. > > I have dismantled the control switch PCB and re-soldered some solder points > which were suspected to be cold joints. I also checked the switch SW703 and > found it was O.K., but I could not detect any voltages on transistor Q702 > when the power was on. In fact, I do not know how to check the condition of > Q702 because it is a 2SC3399 fitted with micro-resistors inside. > > Grateful if any experienced naktalkers would enlighten me what further > steps I should take to bring the record mode back to life again. Thank you > in advance. > > > > CH > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Nov 27 16:08:09 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 07:08:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fw: BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode In-Reply-To: <21719.71625.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <21719.71625.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <965767.30649.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> CH, Start by measuring Q703 base voltage with and without a blank cassette (with intact record protection tab) in place. Should be about 0.7V with cassette in place. Collector voltage should be HIGH (about +5V) with cassette in place. If so, Q703 and cassette well contact are good. Leave cassette in. Continue by checking Q702 emitter voltage while alternately pressing REC and STOP. Should be GND after pressing REC and HIGH after pressing STOP. If so, Q702 is good. If not, repeat by pressing REC and PAUSE alternately. Then, check D702 and Q701. Somewhere in there it should became evident where the problem lies. Let us know, -- Ron From: YEUNG Chi-hung To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 3:49:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] Fw: BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode --- On Sat, 11/27/10, YEUNG Chi-hung wrote: >From: YEUNG Chi-hung >Subject: BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode >To: 'naktalk at naks.com' >Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 2:34 PM > > >I have searched through the naktalk archive and found nobody to talk about this >issue. I bought my BX-300 in 1990 and it is now still working perfectly in the >play mode. Recently, I have found that I could not enter the record mode when I >wanted to record some music from the radio stations. > >I have dismantled the control switch PCB and re-soldered some solder points >which were suspected to be cold joints. I also checked the switch SW703 and >found it was O.K., but I could not detect any voltages on transistor Q702 when >the power was on. In fact, I do not know how to check the condition of Q702 >because it is a 2SC3399 fitted with micro-resistors inside. > >Grateful if any experienced naktalkers would enlighten me what further steps I >should take to bring the record mode back to life again. Thank you in advance. > > >CH > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Sat Nov 27 20:15:47 2010 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:15:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS/Nak R2R In-Reply-To: <988543.17018.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <988543.17018.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It was actually manufactured by Nakamichi Research. Oki & others are just brands.Nak built like 10 or 15 different recorders just under Fidela brand,most consumer grade but a few extremely rare semi-pro decks. On 11/25/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: > I've been able to get some more info on the Fidela. It was manufactured by > Oki > Recorders of Japan. As I suspected, a very middle of the road deck, in spite > of > the possibility of Etsuro's electronics. Nothing mentioned anywhere about a > two > track and 15ips, for example. Aside from exclusivity in the US, the deck is > by > no means any sort of benchmark Nakamichi product-as you say, that all came > later. > > Kevin > > > ________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:23:47 +1300 (NZDT) > From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS/Nak R2R > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > If Nakamichi's self penned history is to be believed, then the man himself > started his RTR's experience back in the early 50's, culminating with the > release of his own machine, under the Fidela brand, back in 1957...reading > between the lines, no reason to suggest that it was 'toll' manufactured on > Nak's behalf. 'If' it was somebody elses chassis, the heads would have > been Nakamichi at least, as they were making them for other manufacturers > by then > I couldn't envisage this machine having any lesser performance than any of > it's contemporaries, it doesn't fit with the Nakamichi psych. It would be > reasonable to expect that this Fidela would perform as well as a Tandberg > or Ferrograph etc of similar vintage. > At a guess, the Nakamichi RTR sales would have been domestic market only, > hence why so few are encountered in other parts of the world > AFAIK Nakamichi ceased making RTRs in 1972, and we all know what happened > next :o) > > Definitely a machine for a collector though..wonder whether it has a date > of manufacture on it. From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 28 01:39:29 2010 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (gtsdave) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:39:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <07318ABF0683409883B88D890BFB2776@home> Are the cassette notches still in tact on the top of the shell, or have the record tabs been broken out? -----Original Message----- From: Fred Longworth [mailto:classicaudiorepair at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 5:42 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode (1) Is the recordable-tape detect switch sending the appropriate data to the syscon IC? (2) Are the analog switches that activate RECORD doing so? Is the syscon IC issuing a command to the switches? (3) Is the bias oscillator running? (4) Is the signal at LINE IN getting through to the record-level meters, but still not getting recorded? -- or is there no pass-through to the record-level meters? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:49 AM, YEUNG Chi-hung wrote: --- On Sat, 11/27/10, YEUNG Chi-hung wrote: From: YEUNG Chi-hung Subject: BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 2:34 PM I have searched through the naktalk archive and found nobody to talk about this issue. I bought my BX-300 in 1990 and it is now still working perfectly in the play mode. Recently, I have found that I could not enter the record mode when I wanted to record some music from the radio stations. I have dismantled the control switch PCB and re-soldered some solder points which were suspected to be cold joints. I also checked the switch SW703 and found it was O.K., but I could not detect any voltages on transistor Q702 when the power was on. In fact, I do not know how to check the condition of Q702 because it is a 2SC3399 fitted with micro-resistors inside. Grateful if any experienced naktalkers would enlighten me what further steps I should take to bring the record mode back to life again. Thank you in advance. CH ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kevin Message: 2 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:15:47 -0500 From: MD Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Tape SSS/Nak R2R To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It was actually manufactured by Nakamichi Research. Oki & others are just brands.Nak built like 10 or 15 different recorders just under Fidela brand,most consumer grade but a few extremely rare semi-pro decks. On 11/25/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: > I've been able to get some more info on the Fidela. It was manufactured by > Oki > Recorders of Japan. As I suspected, a very middle of the road deck, in spite > of > the possibility of Etsuro's electronics. Nothing mentioned anywhere about a > two > track and 15ips, for example. Aside from exclusivity in the US, the deck is > by > no means any sort of benchmark Nakamichi product-as you say, that all came > later. > > Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimtuller at verizon.net Mon Nov 29 14:47:00 2010 From: jimtuller at verizon.net (Jim Tuller) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:47:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and Reel to Reel Message-ID: <4CF3AED4.6040004@verizon.net> The recent discussion of a Nakamichi reel-to-reel machine brings to mind their experience manufacturing reel-to-reel transports for KLH, a venture that ended in disaster. I wonder whether this episode helped push the company towards a greater emphasis on developing their own consumer product line, since other manufacturers might have been reluctant to use them as a source of supply after the KLH problems. I'm forwarding a post from a former staffer of Cramers, a major retailer. It's a bit long but I think the list members will be interested. The post describes the KLH reel-to-reel deck, the first consumer recorder with a built-in Dolby circuit, and a transport built by Nakamichi. I've cut it down from a longer thread, posted here: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-168179.html ---------- I was with Cramers when KLH introduced these and as many went back dead as were sold. KLH then went to litigation with Nach and as part of the settlement, a dedicated team came in and rebuilt them 1 by 1 for both the mechanics where most of the problems were and the electronics that were designed and kitted by KLH for assembly. KLH ended up with a warehouse full of these rebuilt but no dealer would touch them. They'd been burnt too badly. Cramers cut a deal with KLH and bought the entire warehouse load at something like $15 each. It was odd in the the company did not carry then when 1st introduced so we were not turned off them. We could sel them at what price the store wanted assuming a cost of $100 as Cramers assumed all responsibility. It was a great time for closing sales. We could sell a $299 system and add one of the most impressive reel to reels for $101 when other could not do it for less than $200 and that was a botl deck or add a cassette for about $175. For every x units sold by a sales person, the salesperson got a free unit as a spiff. I ended up with about a dozen free units and was top pusher in the company. You could not discount a Mc but we could give away a deck with a 1700, pair of ML1s and a Thorens TD150 and stay well within the minimum high end markup requirements of the company. As for defectives, we had none doa and I never a customer return one during the warranty period of 1 year. Our store was the central warehouse and as a manager I had access to logs for store sales, repair departments, warranty repairs and numerous other things. I do remember the Hanover store that was #2 in the deck sales having 1 doa. It was used as a parts unit and when Olson bought Cramers the repair dpt was closed and dismantled. I took the doa as it was going to be thrown out and the box had not been opened. My understanding is that Nach ultimately bore the brunt of the loss as the manufacturer and KLH recouped most of the loss it asumed form selling them to Cramers but the real loss was to KLH's reputation as it was their first major disaster. The burn was no bad that they pulled back from introducing other electronics. Of course Advent experienced a similar problem with Nach with the 200 cassette deck. We sold those and it was a revolving door. Eveyone e sold seemed to come back. When Cramers was offered a Nach franchise every store manager advised the buying department they'd not give the company floor space and risk reputation. --------- From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 29 15:15:45 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:15:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 donation Message-ID: <9ef7024ce248e863fd0f3f4f9317b978.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Anyone interested in a tape-eating MR-2 that is being donated through naks.com? It is in the San Jose / Oakland, CA area. Let me know if you are, Wouter From yeungchc at yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 17:20:35 2010 From: yeungchc at yahoo.com (YEUNG Chi-hung) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:20:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode Message-ID: <489794.33926.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron and Fred,   Thank you very much for your responses.   I have checked the voltages on the transistors in the control switch PCB and found the following results:-   Q703        Base          4.9V                             Q702         Base          0.5V                   Collector    0.5V                                               Collector    5.0V                   Emitter       5.06V                                             Emitter       0.5V   D702 and other diodes are found O.K.   Q701      Base         5V                 Collector  5V                 Emitter     4.63V   When the Rec button was pressed, there was no action and the LED (Red) did not light up.The voltages on this LED were found to be 4.23V and 2.9V. I think if the Rec button can be activated, the negative voltage on the LED shoud drop down to about 2.3V. The Fade(down) switch was found not to be functioning too.   The signal at LINE IN can get through to the record-level meter but it is not recorded. I don't know how to check the bias oscillator the bias oscillator. I think it is running otherwise the machine is unable to play music fron the tapes.     Regards, CH       -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 02:49:58 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:49:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode In-Reply-To: <489794.33926.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <489794.33926.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <559696.11184.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> CH, Q703 base is HIGH (~5V), signifying that record protection is enabled. Since you put in a cassette whose tab is intact (you did, didn't you?), it shouldn't be. I would check that circuit, starting with the record protection contact in the cassette well. -- Ron ________________________________ From: YEUNG Chi-hung To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 11:20:35 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode Ron and Fred, Thank you very much for your responses. I have checked the voltages on the transistors in the control switch PCB and found the following results:- Q703 Base 4.9V Q702 Base 0.5V Collector 0.5V Collector 5.0V Emitter 5.06V Emitter 0.5V D702 and other diodes are found O.K. Q701 Base 5V Collector 5V Emitter 4.63V When the Rec button was pressed, there was no action and the LED (Red) did not light up.The voltages on this LED were found to be 4.23V and 2.9V. I think if the Rec button can be activated, the negative voltage on the LED shoud drop down to about 2.3V. The Fade(down) switch was found not to be functioning too. The signal at LINE IN can get through to the record-level meter but it is not recorded. I don't know how to check the bias oscillator the bias oscillator. I think it is running otherwise the machine is unable to play music fron the tapes. Regards, CH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yeungchc at yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 07:28:12 2010 From: yeungchc at yahoo.com (YEUNG Chi-hung) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:28:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode Message-ID: <9647.30091.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron,   Following your advice, I check the record protection switch and find that the two copper leaves inside the small plastic box do not conduct although they are in contact after a cassette tape with the protection tab intact is inserted. I short the two terminals outside and the problem is fixed.   The voltages on Q703 becomes: Base       0.03V                                                          Collector 5V                                                           Emitter    5V                   Thank you once again for you invaluable advice.   CH   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 14:53:28 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 05:53:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode In-Reply-To: <9647.30091.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9647.30091.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <536760.86688.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Congratulations! Enjoy your recordings. -- Ron ________________________________ From: YEUNG Chi-hung To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 1:28:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode Ron, Following your advice, I check the record protection switch and find that the two copper leaves inside the small plastic box do not conduct although they are in contact after a cassette tape with the protection tab intact is inserted. I short the two terminals outside and the problem is fixed. The voltages on Q703 becomes: Base 0.03V Collector 5V Emitter 5V Thank you once again for you invaluable advice. CH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 18:54:03 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:54:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode In-Reply-To: <9647.30091.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9647.30091.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If one of my technicians "shorted" the contacts together on the record protection switch and called that a "fix," I would be very displeased. By doing that, you have made it possible to accidentally record over a commercially-recorded or precious personally-recorded tape. The correct technical procedure, when the original part is NLA, is to pull off the plastic cover, and then to burnish the contacts inside using #2000 sandpaper. Regards, Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:28 PM, YEUNG Chi-hung wrote: > Ron, > > Following your advice, I check the record protection switch and find that > the two copper leaves inside the small plastic box do not conduct although > they are in contact after a cassette tape with the protection tab intact is > inserted. I short the two terminals outside and the problem is fixed. > > The voltages on Q703 becomes: Base 0.03V > Collector 5V > Emitter 5V > > > Thank you once again for you invaluable advice. > > CH > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 20:32:12 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:32:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode In-Reply-To: References: <9647.30091.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <834214.7562.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Oooops... I must have misunderstood. I took it for granted that the contacts were only shorted to verify the problem. The 'fix' would then consist of spraying with contact cleaner and -- if that didn't work reliably -- burnish the contacts and/or bend the movable contact, ever so slightly, to increase contact pressure. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 12:54:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300: cannot enter into the record mode If one of my technicians "shorted" the contacts together on the record protection switch and called that a "fix," I would be very displeased. By doing that, you have made it possible to accidentally record over a commercially-recorded or precious personally-recorded tape. The correct technical procedure, when the original part is NLA, is to pull off the plastic cover, and then to burnish the contacts inside using #2000 sandpaper. Regards, Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:28 PM, YEUNG Chi-hung wrote: Ron, > >Following your advice, I check the record protection switch and find that the >two copper leaves inside the small plastic box do not conduct although they are >in contact after a cassette tape with the protection tab intact is inserted. I >short the two terminals outside and the problem is fixed. > >The voltages on Q703 becomes: Base 0.03V > Collector 5V > Emitter 5V > > >Thank you once again for you invaluable advice. > >CH > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Nov 30 21:07:49 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:07:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 donation In-Reply-To: <9ef7024ce248e863fd0f3f4f9317b978.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <9ef7024ce248e863fd0f3f4f9317b978.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5a8480e6baa173f07c5e3ee6604785c1.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> No one in the Bay Area??? > > Anyone interested in a tape-eating MR-2 that is being donated through > naks.com? > > It is in the San Jose / Oakland, CA area. > > Let me know if you are, > > Wouter > From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Nov 30 22:25:03 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:25:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 donation In-Reply-To: <5a8480e6baa173f07c5e3ee6604785c1.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <9ef7024ce248e863fd0f3f4f9317b978.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <5a8480e6baa173f07c5e3ee6604785c1.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: I could use another as a parts deck. Willy On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > No one in the Bay Area??? > > > > > Anyone interested in a tape-eating MR-2 that is being donated through > > naks.com? > > > > It is in the San Jose / Oakland, CA area. > > > > Let me know if you are, > > > > Wouter > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks ------Original Message------ From: Wouter Heijke Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ReplyTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2 donation Sent: Nov 30, 2010 12:07 PM No one in the Bay Area??? > > Anyone interested in a tape-eating MR-2 that is being donated through > naks.com? > > It is in the San Jose / Oakland, CA area. > > Let me know if you are, > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2010\2010-October.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 1 01:45:15 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:45:15 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Nak alignment In-Reply-To: <38C77A9B-1B99-4468-8FAB-9270D874BD86@dogtime.com> References: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org> <38C77A9B-1B99-4468-8FAB-9270D874BD86@dogtime.com> Message-ID: They are expensive - as any really good tool is. $200. But if I had to ship my Nak to the mainland and back it would cost about $150 plus paying whoever fixes it. So it was an easy choice for a tool freak. The tool is indispensable for anyone that diddles with the alignment, or anyone that ever removes the heads or tape guides for cleaning/replacing/rebuilding. The tool allows you to properly align both tape guides, the height of both heads, and the tilt of both heads. And learning to use the tool will also teach your more about how your drive mechanism works since you need to do the alignment in the "Play" position with the power off. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Tuttle Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:27 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fun with Nak alignment Oh boy, I can hardly wait! In trying to solve my bad channel problem on my 581, I went crazy adjusting stuff. OF COURSE I futzed with the playback head alignment. I really have to learn to read the directions before I start. I may be buying that alignment tool too. How much was it? On Sep 29, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Thought I'd share the alignment nightmare on my 581. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 17:11:38 2010 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 16:11:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: <819807.6522.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <819807.6522.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, but they look like they only play dance music :) and they're not even semi-automatic. I like automatic turntables. On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:20 PM, jesse ruff wrote: > Can't really go wrong with a Technics 1200... > > --- On *Thu, 9/30/10, Fergus Cullen * wrote: > > > From: Fergus Cullen > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 2:39 PM > > > I would be interested in Bang & Olufsen Beogram 4000 if you don't > decide to buy it. > Fergus > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Kenneth Kirkpatrick > > > wrote: > > On 9/30/2010 5:10 AM, naktalk-request at naks.comwrote: > >> > >> Message: 7 > >> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:52:31 -0500 > >> From: Julie Kessler > > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >> Message-ID: > >> > > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> > >> Oh, this is a little off topic, but the studio is selling off some of > its > >> equipment and I was wondering if any of these would be good choices for > a > >> turntable: > >> Bang& Olufsen Beogram 1900 > >> Bang& Olufsen Beogram 4000 > >> Dual 1009-SK > >> Dual 1214 > >> Dual 1218 > >> Rega Planar 3 > >> Technics SL-1200 > >> Yamaha YP-211 > >> > >> Thanks again for all the awesome advice. I might have to ask some more > >> questions later! > >> > >> > >> > > Hi Julie, > > By all means see what they want for the Rega Planar 3! An excellent > table > > with a very nice arm. It was always the first table I recommended > > to friends wanting to get back into vinyl, but has become a little too > > expensive lately to recommend anymore. I have listened to it many times > and > > it just makes wonderful music if set up properly and is in good > condition. > > Like any table. It is the tonearm that makes that table special and they > are > > very easy to resale if you decide to move up or out of vinyl. > > > > How much do they want? What color? Some are very brightly colored. I > like > > that myself. > > > > Ken > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 17:22:29 2010 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Nak alignment Message-ID: <107493.26422.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Contact Willy and see if the discount for Naktalk members is still good. It's a really cool tool and comes with it's own case. Who can pass up a brand new cassette alignment tool? David --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Gauge To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 5:19 PM After a six month process which frequently approximated oral surgery I finally have cassette alignment gauges available. If you want to see it and how it works please visit my site: www.willyhs.com . I will offer it to NakTalk members for $150 plus freight. U.S. purchasers - I will use USPS flat rate box shipping at $10.70. International varies but will be around $30.00. Anyone interested please contact me off line. ThanksWilly From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Oct 1 23:00:20 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 23:00:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] PS1 CD player In-Reply-To: <909049.49184.qm@web120713.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201009281017.o8SA8NN2030165@zxe.naks.com> <909049.49184.qm@web120713.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87f0512d48aa692e3a4abe23f318bc94.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Interesting Kevin! I've looked up mine, a 'virgin' SCPH-1002 European version PS1 (except for the mod chip!) and hooked it up, so far it sounds pretty good, amazing! Wouter > OK this is weird/different and controversial all at once. And this is just > an > IDEA...one that I followed to a nice conclusion. > Back in the day when the PlayStation was evolving and making a name for > itself, > they made a series of incredible, laser CD readers. The story goes that > they did > a ridiculous amount of R&D to come up with a bullet-proof reader. Thus, > the > SCH-1000 and 1001 were born. The SCH-1000 was mostly sold in Japan and had > not > only RCA out for audio, but S video out. Forget about that model (very > rare), > but concentrate on the SCH-1001 with RCA stereo out. > > > These units have been compared favorably with CD players costing > thousands. I > did a LOT of research on the "audiophile tweaks" written about all over > the Net > for the PlayStation. The only two I deemed worthwhile were: custom made AC > cord > and a special fuse for the inside electronics....period. All totaled, > about $75 > worth of tweaks for a unit that cost me about $20 on ebay. Buy three or > four and > when you have trouble, switch out the custom power cord and fuse to the > next > unit. Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than > unscrupulous > sellers selling blue sky. > > Caveat: only this model, nothing else.....you'll learn to recognize it by > the > location of the reader, but go by model number above. Lots of units for > sale out > there by buyers who don't have a clue on their CD playback potential. You > have > to use a controller to make it work. I wasn't from this generation, so I > feel > quite ridiculous holding a game controller to advance, stop, go back etc > with > music tracks. There were wireless remotes for this unit, but I read they > had a > bad track record. Some sellers advertise new wireless controllers for the > original PlayStation, but I was told they don't necessarily work in PS > units > this old. > > Kevin From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 1 22:02:04 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 10:02:04 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Nak alignment In-Reply-To: <107493.26422.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <107493.26422.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I didn't know there was a discount for being a member and didn't even ask. Willy was so helpful in explaining all the little steps that experienced Nak techs take for granted...like how to get the unit into play with the power off and what to do about the pad lifter and what about the cassette door that is in the way and what about the notch at the top of the gauge that makes it fall backwards in the 580 series and how to disengage the ganged adjustment gears if you need to adjust pitch or stroke independently of the head height. We spent time on the phone and exchanged numerous emails and he was really nice about it all. We even had a few good laughs. After knocking off the tape guide nut, losing it and completely screwing up the head alignments, I was understandably leery of touching much of anything. When I lost the bid on the CR-7A, Willy went to work refurbishing a 682ZX for me. That was also in the box with the cassette gauge and I feel like he gave me a great deal on it. Cosmetically it is excellent and it works flawlessly. LOVE IT! He put a few caps in the box for the 581 oscillator circuit because they frequently fail in that model plus a map to find them. He added a few other helpful goodies to the box. His help, humor, and extra goodies were worth more than what they cost me. There aren't a lot of electronics repair places on the east side of the Big Island. There are 2 in Hilo, but neither one of them were able to fix our TV when it went TU. The first one took 3 months and cost almost $100 just for trying. The 2nd one said the 1st one was a bozo and fixing it would be "a piece of cake". Right. Then the amp went out in my Mordaunt-Short subwoofer and they just said "no". It's on my list to fix after the 581. I feel like I still owe Willy and he will be getting some chocolate covered mac nuts and extra Dolby chips when I finish fixing my 581. It seems doubtful that there are very many highly skilled Nak techs that would be willing to do all this -- and he kept his sense of humor through all of my pestering. I suspect most professional Nak techs would say, "Send it to me along with a check for $500." Don't know if the directions for using the gauge are posted on NakTalk, but if not I'd be willing to do a little write-up if someone more knowledgeable than me would review it and correct any bozo-isms. It looked so easy in the pictures that I figured "no sweat" until actually trying it. I initially tried to do it in the cue position with the power on -- at least I was smart enough to realize that putting a metal bar on the heads while powered up seemed like a very, very, very bad thing. At that point I stopped and said "HELP". Willy was great and I learned a lot. He also showed me how to fix the eject cable, which started this whole nightmare, without JB Weld. Dunno, but JB Weld worked great on my old 240Z choke cable assembly... :-) Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of fripp_em Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 5:22 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fun with Nak alignment Contact Willy and see if the discount for Naktalk members is still good. It's a really cool tool and comes with it's own case. Who can pass up a brand new cassette alignment tool? David From pennyfarmer at mac.com Sat Oct 2 03:06:11 2010 From: pennyfarmer at mac.com (Penny Farmer) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 20:06:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PS1 CD player In-Reply-To: <87f0512d48aa692e3a4abe23f318bc94.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <201009281017.o8SA8NN2030165@zxe.naks.com> <909049.49184.qm@web120713.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87f0512d48aa692e3a4abe23f318bc94.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: What are the fuse and power mods? Norm On Oct 1, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Interesting Kevin! > I've looked up mine, a 'virgin' SCPH-1002 European version PS1 > (except for > the mod chip!) and hooked it up, so far it sounds pretty good, > amazing! > > Wouter > >> OK this is weird/different and controversial all at once. And this >> is just >> an >> IDEA...one that I followed to a nice conclusion. >> Back in the day when the PlayStation was evolving and making a >> name for >> itself, >> they made a series of incredible, laser CD readers. The story goes >> that >> they did >> a ridiculous amount of R&D to come up with a bullet-proof reader. >> Thus, >> the >> SCH-1000 and 1001 were born. The SCH-1000 was mostly sold in Japan >> and had >> not >> only RCA out for audio, but S video out. Forget about that model >> (very >> rare), >> but concentrate on the SCH-1001 with RCA stereo out. >> >> >> These units have been compared favorably with CD players costing >> thousands. I >> did a LOT of research on the "audiophile tweaks" written about all >> over >> the Net >> for the PlayStation. The only two I deemed worthwhile were: custom >> made AC >> cord >> and a special fuse for the inside electronics....period. All totaled, >> about $75 >> worth of tweaks for a unit that cost me about $20 on ebay. Buy >> three or >> four and >> when you have trouble, switch out the custom power cord and fuse >> to the >> next >> unit. Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than >> unscrupulous >> sellers selling blue sky. >> >> Caveat: only this model, nothing else.....you'll learn to >> recognize it by >> the >> location of the reader, but go by model number above. Lots of >> units for >> sale out >> there by buyers who don't have a clue on their CD playback >> potential. You >> have >> to use a controller to make it work. I wasn't from this >> generation, so I >> feel >> quite ridiculous holding a game controller to advance, stop, go >> back etc >> with >> music tracks. There were wireless remotes for this unit, but I >> read they >> had a >> bad track record. Some sellers advertise new wireless controllers >> for the >> original PlayStation, but I was told they don't necessarily work >> in PS >> units >> this old. >> >> Kevin > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From 4sje5 at comcast.net Sat Oct 2 06:42:49 2010 From: 4sje5 at comcast.net (js) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 21:42:49 -0700 Subject: Fw: Fw: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player Message-ID: <1638EFEE968A4D479A904B1B5CA47C64@dozy> A reply regarding this post from an acquaintance who has bought and sold audiophile gear for about thirty five years: Well, it's pretty much all old news...first of all the CD player they are referring to is a Sony ,not a Nakamichi and they are correct that those early Sony Play Stations had excellent laser readers, only problem was the "in-house" DA converters (digital to analogue) were just ok and there was absolutely no shielding or anything from errant frequencies so they got lots of weird feedback but actually were a good start if you were into tricking something out. Plus they were a pain in th ass,I sold a few and they were kind of fun but got old pretty quick...As is they were nothing special...now the Sony ES models from the 80's and even the 90's ,on the other hand, had the same lasers and were extremely well designed with " Burr Brown" DA converters or even better in house Sony DA converters, not to mention remotes and controls,ect. And they came in copper shielded cases and all the hardware ,amps and stuff were isolated so you didn't get odd noises or cellphone feedback.Those units still command big money and I used one until recently when I found a California Audio Labs DVD player for sale at a thrift store for next to nothing. Now this unit is amazing, it has separate readers for CD or DVD and the DA converters are state of the art Burr Brown jobs...the thing was well over two grand in the late 90's and it really sounds amazing. Blows my Sony's out the door. Anyway there a lot of options but the top shelf stuff from the 90's is what I like cause it was Japanese or even American California esoteric and not Chinese or Korean. As for cassette players again you can't miss with a three head Sony ES model, they are the best and will take the digital edge off a CD really well. Nakamichi has a cult famous, as in used and still over a grand, cassette player called the "Dragon" that is pretty amazing but a Sony three head ES, even a two head is pretty good, will do the trick just as well. As for turntables just stick with a good solid belt drive with a lot of isolation and a good tone arm and a top shelf cartridge , maybe a nice Shure or an Ortophon for a couple hundred bucks Hook all that shit up and you're good to go....unless you have "Golden Ears" in which case let me give you Mr Art Salvatore's web page, he'll sell you a turntable for ten grand and tell you it's second rate. And he thinks all digital is shit...have fun. On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:26 PM, js <4sje5 at comcast.net> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player OK this is weird/different and controversial all at once. And this is just an IDEA...one that I followed to a nice conclusion. Back in the day when the PlayStation was evolving and making a name for itself, they made a series of incredible, laser CD readers. The story goes that they did a ridiculous amount of R&D to come up with a bullet-proof reader. Thus, the SCH-1000 and 1001 were born. The SCH-1000 was mostly sold in Japan and had not only RCA out for audio, but S video out. Forget about that model (very rare), but concentrate on the SCH-1001 with RCA stereo out. These units have been compared favorably with CD players costing thousands. I did a LOT of research on the "audiophile tweaks" written about all over the Net for the PlayStation. The only two I deemed worthwhile were: custom made AC cord and a special fuse for the inside electronics....period. All totaled, about $75 worth of tweaks for a unit that cost me about $20 on ebay. Buy three or four and when you have trouble, switch out the custom power cord and fuse to the next unit. Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than unscrupulous sellers selling blue sky. Caveat: only this model, nothing else.....you'll learn to recognize it by the location of the reader, but go by model number above. Lots of units for sale out there by buyers who don't have a clue on their CD playback potential. You have to use a controller to make it work. I wasn't from this generation, so I feel quite ridiculous holding a game controller to advance, stop, go back etc with music tracks. There were wireless remotes for this unit, but I read they had a bad track record. Some sellers advertise new wireless controllers for the original PlayStation, but I was told they don't necessarily work in PS units this old. Kevin From: Julie Kessler Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 3:30 PM Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? [Hope that's not too off topic!] Thanks for the advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Kevin ________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 20:06:11 -0500 From: Penny Farmer Subject: Re: [naktalk] PS1 CD player To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed What are the fuse and power mods? Norm On Oct 1, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Interesting Kevin! > I've looked up mine, a 'virgin' SCPH-1002 European version PS1 > (except for > the mod chip!) and hooked it up, so far it sounds pretty good, > amazing! > > Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kevin ________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <929304.88241.qm at web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than unscrupulous > sellers selling blue sky. The same goes for those two tweaks you did like. The line cord and fuse are worthless (except for the seller). Seventy bucks? You should have taken your money and gone out for a nice sushi dinner in a good restaurant. :-). -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 17:52:31 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 08:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Re: PS1 CD player In-Reply-To: <916893.77458.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201010021045.o92Ab0jZ020533@zxe.naks.com> <916893.77458.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <562186.90329.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While reading this entire discussion on the PS One being a viable CD Player, the one thought on most people's mind would be the age and balance life span of the units out there. As it turns out, CD players are robust and their lasers actually have much more life to them then most of us think. I recently overhauled a 12 year old McIntosh cd player then uses a Sony laser assembly that is also used on TEAC and Wadia players. Apparently, this player refused to read any more discs and made clicking noises when discs are loaded. It eventually spits them out. The obvious diagnosis by many has been to replace the laser mechanism, which is not too easy to obtain these days. However, the unit was back in service within 24 hours as good as new. How? Essentially, what fails first is the power controller IC that supplies power to the laser and it's focusing assembly. With a new IC, power supply caps and a thorough cleaning to the lens assembly, the player is as good as new and should last for another 10 years. Normally, no tune up is needed and hence those tempting potentiometers need not be tweaked. I encountered the same problem with a Nakamichi CD player 4 where again the power supply caps were the culprit and the KSS series laser was actually in good shape. My advice would be to re-fit new caps and change the power controller chips (these are usually single-in-line package devices with an integral heatsink). Ensure that the lens assembly and the feeder mechanism is clean and re-lubed. The PS One definitely should show improvements that Kevin described below. One of the best CD players I have ever had was a Sony XP55-ES. A wonderful player, it was years ahead of it's time. It was eventually replaced by a unit many time the price of the '55. Sometime though, I still miss the 55 for it's fast, clean and fatigue free sound despite being a player of the early 90s. Bala ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 8:51:07 PM Subject: [naktalk]Re: PS1 CD player Isoclean clean fuse-5mmx20mm 2A.PS Audio-Jewel Power Cable And then there was talk about using some aftermarket feet to raise and isolate the unit....helps with cooling as well. I haven't done the feet, but consider it a good idea. Anything more than that and you better be an EE or have some damn good instructions.;-) As 'they' said, buy a couple of spare units because the reader won't last forever. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 20:06:11 -0500 From: Penny Farmer Subject: Re: [naktalk] PS1 CD player To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed What are the fuse and power mods? Norm On Oct 1, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Interesting Kevin! > I've looked up mine, a 'virgin' SCPH-1002 European version PS1 > (except for > the mod chip!) and hooked it up, so far it sounds pretty good, > amazing! > > Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And naturally, I just pushed the eject button a little > harder. I actually heard it when the plastic cable holder broke… > > > > So, off comes the 581 case as I track down the path of the cable and decide > what to do. Shamefully, JB Weld became my temporary fix (that will get fixed > properly later on). But the worst thing that happened was that I somehow > knocked off the adjustment screw for the left tape guide in the process. I > never could find the original in spite of hours of searching, so I found a > regular nut and managed to get it on the fitting. I got the nut on too tight > and then decided to screw with the “do NOT adjust screws” to try and correct > the tape path. I actually managed to get it to sound reasonably good but > never did try to record anything in this condition. Since I live in Hawaii, > it is really expensive to ship this gear to the mainland and back for > repairs so I started searching for alternatives. > > > > I was eyeing a CR-7A on ebay that Willy Herman had posted but wasn’t home > when the auction ended and I did not win it. But in the process of > communicating with Willy about the CR-7A or another potential “new” Nak, I > told him about my fiasco with the tape guide nut and alignment nightmare. I > ended up buying one of Willy’s cassette gauges (and a terrific 682ZX) and > the tool has been a Nak saver. Other than my right channel Dolby problem, my > 581 is now aligned and sounding great thanks to this handy tool. Anyone who > tinkers with their Naks really ought to have one. > > > > http://www.willyhermannservices.com/index_files/Gauge.htm > > > > I also decided I needed a parts deck for my 581 so I bought a non-working > 580 off ebay for $24 plus $32 parcel post shipping. The nice surprises were > that it turned out to be a 582, not a 580, and it only took about 10 minutes > to do a quick cleanup and a gear assist and get it working. It’s working > flawlessly now and the 581 alignment nightmare resulted in me owning 3 Naks > (one for each surround sound system and one for the stereo gear) and a nifty > tool. I couldn’t have fixed my alignment problem without Willy’s “Cassette > Gauge”. > > > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 22:43:51 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 13:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player In-Reply-To: <435915.55993.qm@web120712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <545779.73314.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kevin, No, I don't think I missed the point. To me, $75 bucks for a line cord and fuse is a rip-off, regardless of how little that sum may seem to others. A 'good' line cord should cost about 5 bucks and even the Belden 14AWG shielded cord (about $20) is a tremendous overkill for any piece of audio equipment and most situations. You may be aware that some esoteric audio company has been offering an 'audiophile' 115V wall outlet for $50 (personally, I use $0.79 outlets that works just great, though they do require replacement every 25 years or so). Well, guess what, a catalog I just received shows an outlet for $150. I must assume that, since they advertise those, there must be suckers that actually buy them. 'Suckers', even if they can easily afford $150 wall outlets. Have a nice day, -- Ron --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 11:28 AM You missed the point Ron. At less than a $100 TOTAL, I could justify the power cord and fuse. You notice I didn't hail to the almighty for the sound virtues of the upgrades. The standard power cord is a piece of crap...any 'custom' cord is an improvement in longevity. Same with the fuse, just a nice quality fuse with no sound improvement claims by me. If you have a car that you could improve its reliability with some minor tweaks, would you or would you leave it? Both ways get you to your nice sushi dinner.....BTW, I hate sushi. Kevin  Message: 5 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette     deck/OT CD    player To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <929304.88241.qm at web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than unscrupulous > sellers selling blue sky. The same goes for those two tweaks you did like. The line cord and fuse are worthless (except for the seller). Seventy bucks? 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 3 02:44:32 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 14:44:32 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Service Recommendation In-Reply-To: <60DE7AEDF5C641D6BDB608FABBEF4844@dykefdc8275b7a> References: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org> <60DE7AEDF5C641D6BDB608FABBEF4844@dykefdc8275b7a> Message-ID: You can't go wrong with Willy Herman. http://www.willyhermannservices.com/index.htm Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Dyke Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 10:44 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Service Recommendation Hi Folks, The time has come, after a few years of being out of the analog loop, for me to repair and restore some of my decks that are no longer functional. Even though I've been a reader of this list since 1998, I've fallen way out of touch with who is at the forefront of Nakamichi expertise. So, if there's anybody that can make a recommendation for a competent tech that can service a 680ZX and a 682ZX, I'd certainly be appreciative. Thanks, Brian Dyke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 08:47:45 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player In-Reply-To: <545779.73314.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <545779.73314.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84564.57087.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, There will be people selling them as long as there are people buying them. It seems that the audiophile community has got lots of its sanity back compared to the 90s. I can now walk into a showroom and see 'real' audio tubes and not esoterica that was rescued from some Soviet fighter. The 'Mars Attack' of green dots and green pens, and those Harmonix tuning dots and sheets are now nothing but pamphlets in my library reminding me of the wonderful 80s and 90s. Having said that, Kevin's tweaks seem to come to the point about the PS One. Most others would get carried away doing a million other things to it. I am not sure though if a cheaper power cord (like the Belden) would have the same effect as Kevin's recommendation. Maybe a cheaper cord can do the same and Kevin can have Italian instead. Bala ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player Kevin, No, I don't think I missed the point. To me, $75 bucks for a line cord and fuse is a rip-off, regardless of how little that sum may seem to others. A 'good' line cord should cost about 5 bucks and even the Belden 14AWG shielded cord (about $20) is a tremendous overkill for any piece of audio equipment and most situations. You may be aware that some esoteric audio company has been offering an 'audiophile' 115V wall outlet for $50 (personally, I use $0.79 outlets that works just great, though they do require replacement every 25 years or so). Well, guess what, a catalog I just received shows an outlet for $150. I must assume that, since they advertise those, there must be suckers that actually buy them. 'Suckers', even if they can easily afford $150 wall outlets. Have a nice day, -- Ron --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: >From: Kevin Fetner >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD >player >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > >You missed the point Ron. At less than a $100 TOTAL, I could justify the power >cord and fuse. You notice I didn't hail to the almighty for the sound virtues of >the upgrades. The standard power cord is a piece of crap...any 'custom' cord is >an improvement in longevity. Same with the fuse, just a nice quality fuse with >no sound improvement claims by me. > > >If you have a car that you could improve its reliability with some minor tweaks, >would you or would you leave it? Both ways get you to your nice sushi >dinner.....BTW, I hate sushi. > >Kevin > > > > ________________________________ Message: 5 >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette > deck/OT CD player >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <929304.88241.qm at web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >> Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than unscrupulous >> sellers selling blue sky. > >The same goes for those two tweaks you did like. >The line cord and fuse are worthless (except for >the seller). Seventy bucks? You should have taken >your money and gone out for a nice sushi dinner >in a good restaurant. :-). > >-- Ron > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 14:55:29 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 05:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player In-Reply-To: <84564.57087.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <274192.57807.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > I am not sure though if a cheaper power cord (like the Belden) would have > the same effect .... A power cord should have zero sonic effect. Anything claimed to be better would still have zero effect, at ridiculously higher cost. A line cord that meets this requirement costs very little. Anything more is good for the seller but does nothing for the buyer. -- Ron --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:47 AM Ron, There will be people selling them as long as there are people buying them. It seems that the audiophile community has got lots of its sanity back compared to the 90s. I can now walk into a showroom and see 'real' audio tubes and not esoterica that was rescued from some Soviet fighter. The 'Mars Attack' of green dots and green pens, and those Harmonix tuning dots and sheets are now nothing but pamphlets in my library reminding me of the wonderful 80s and 90s. Having said that, Kevin's tweaks seem to come to the point about the PS One. Most others would get carried away doing a million other things to it. I am not sure though if a cheaper power cord (like the Belden) would have the same effect as Kevin's recommendation. Maybe a cheaper cord can do the same and Kevin can have Italian instead. Bala From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player Kevin, No, I don't think I missed the point. To me, $75 bucks for a line cord and fuse is a rip-off, regardless of how little that sum may seem to others. A 'good' line cord should cost about 5 bucks and even the Belden 14AWG shielded cord (about $20) is a tremendous overkill for any piece of audio equipment and most situations. You may be aware that some esoteric audio company has been offering an 'audiophile' 115V wall outlet for $50 (personally, I use $0.79 outlets that works just great, though they do require replacement every 25 years or so). Well, guess what, a catalog I just received shows an outlet for $150. I must assume that, since they advertise those, there must be suckers that actually buy them. 'Suckers', even if they can easily afford $150 wall outlets. Have a nice day, -- Ron --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 11:28 AM You missed the point Ron. At less than a $100 TOTAL, I could justify the power cord and fuse. You notice I didn't hail to the almighty for the sound virtues of the upgrades. The standard power cord is a piece of crap...any 'custom' cord is an improvement in longevity. Same with the fuse, just a nice quality fuse with no sound improvement claims by me. If you have a car that you could improve its reliability with some minor tweaks, would you or would you leave it? Both ways get you to your nice sushi dinner.....BTW, I hate sushi. Kevin  Message: 5 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette     deck/OT CD    player To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <929304.88241.qm at web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than unscrupulous > sellers selling blue sky. The same goes for those two tweaks you did like. The line cord and fuse are worthless (except for the seller). Seventy bucks? You should have taken your money and gone out for a nice sushi dinner in a good restaurant.     :-). -- Ron -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 15:43:21 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 06:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player In-Reply-To: <274192.57807.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <274192.57807.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53286.56048.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know this topic is nothing but a slippery snake pit and anathema do many people, respected audio and acoustic engineers included. But the problem is people to perceive a difference when power cords are changed, and this is something that has been difficult to nail. It could ultimately boil down to a placebo effect that is quite common in pharmaceutical clinical trials these days, but this is just part of a long list of unknowns. Until then, such items are going to be seriously considered and hotly debated. The Hydra series of power cables and conditioners are one such item where I myself have heard a difference. Yet, all the cables on all my systems remain stock until I know conclusively something is happening and there is a definitive reason for this. Bala ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 8:55:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player > I am not sure though if a cheaper power cord (like the Belden) would have > the same effect .... A power cord should have zero sonic effect. Anything claimed to be better would still have zero effect, at ridiculously higher cost. A line cord that meets this requirement costs very little. Anything more is good for the seller but does nothing for the buyer. -- Ron --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD >player >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:47 AM > > >Ron, > >There will be people selling them as long as there are people buying them. It >seems that the audiophile community has got lots of its sanity back compared to >the 90s. I can now walk into a showroom and see 'real' audio tubes and not >esoterica that was rescued from some Soviet fighter. The 'Mars Attack' of green >dots and green pens, and those Harmonix tuning dots and sheets are now nothing >but pamphlets in my library reminding me of the wonderful 80s and 90s. > > >Having said that, Kevin's tweaks seem to come to the point about the PS One. >Most others would get carried away doing a million other things to it. I am not >sure though if a cheaper power cord (like the Belden) would have the same effect >as Kevin's recommendation. Maybe a cheaper cord can do the same and Kevin can >have Italian instead. > > >Bala > > > > > ________________________________ From: Ron >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:43:51 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD >player > > >Kevin, > >No, I don't think I missed the point. To me, $75 bucks >for a line cord and fuse is a rip-off, regardless of how >little that sum may seem to others. A 'good' line cord >should cost about 5 bucks and even the Belden >14AWG shielded cord (about $20) is a tremendous >overkill for any piece of audio equipment and most >situations. > >You may be aware that some esoteric audio company >has been offering an 'audiophile' 115V wall outlet for >$50 (personally, I use $0.79 outlets that works just >great, though they do require replacement every 25 >years or so). Well, guess what, a catalog I just >received shows an outlet for $150. I must assume >that, since they advertise those, there must be >suckers that actually buy them. 'Suckers', even if >they can easily afford $150 wall outlets. > >Have a nice day, > >-- Ron > > > > >--- On Sat, 10/2/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > >>From: Kevin Fetner >>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD >>player >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 11:28 AM >> >> >>You missed the point Ron. At less than a $100 TOTAL, I could justify the power >>cord and fuse. You notice I didn't hail to the almighty for the sound virtues of >>the upgrades. The standard power cord is a piece of crap...any 'custom' cord is >>an improvement in longevity. Same with the fuse, just a nice quality fuse with >>no sound improvement claims by me. >> >> >>If you have a car that you could improve its reliability with some minor tweaks, >>would you or would you leave it? Both ways get you to your nice sushi >>dinner.....BTW, I hate sushi. >> >>Kevin >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message: 5 >>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) >>From: Ron >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette >> deck/OT CD player >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Message-ID: <929304.88241.qm at web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >>> Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than unscrupulous >>> sellers selling blue sky. >> >>The same goes for those two tweaks you did like. >>The line cord and fuse are worthless (except for >>the seller). Seventy bucks? You should have taken >>your money and gone out for a nice sushi dinner >>in a good restaurant. :-). >> >>-- Ron >> >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheryl   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 7:23 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fun with Nak alignment   Cheryl -   Yes, I still do offer a $50 discount for NakTalk members and I apologize for charging you $200 - just missed the fact that you're a NakTalker.  I'll refund $50 as soon as I get back home.   Glad it's working out for you.   Willy On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Sun Oct 3 18:29:38 2010 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 11:29:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org> <60DE7AEDF5C641D6BDB608FABBEF4844@dykefdc8275b7a> Message-ID: <4CA8AF72.2020005@comcast.net> Willy did a great job on my CR-7A On 10/2/10 7:44 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > You can’t go wrong with Willy Herman. > > http://www.willyhermannservices.com/index.htm > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Brian Dyke > *Sent:* Saturday, October 02, 2010 10:44 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] Service Recommendation > > Hi Folks, > > The time has come, after a few years of being out of the analog loop, > for me to repair and restore some of my decks that are no longer > functional. Even though I've been a reader of this list since 1998, > I've fallen way out of touch with who is at the forefront of Nakamichi > expertise. So, if there's anybody that can make a recommendation for a > competent tech that can service a 680ZX and a 682ZX, I'd certainly be > appreciative. > > Thanks, > > Brian Dyke > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 3 20:29:09 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:29:09 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Nak alignment In-Reply-To: <10617.91820.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <10617.91820.qm@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The boxes they come in are mostly air and packaging. He'd have to eat quite a few boxes for it to be a big deal. Yum, yum, eat them up! Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 5:41 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fun with Nak alignment Willy, As much as the Macadamia nuts in chocolate are a treat to eat, beware. It goes straight to the waist. :o) Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 22:35:35 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player Message-ID: <621741.37559.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Bala, This is not the first such discussion, nor the last one. Of course, placebo effect plays a huge part here, but this can be minimized by double blind listening tests. The interesting thing is that those that 'hear' differences due to line cords, green ink on CDs etc. are vehemently opposed to blind tests. I wonder why  :-). My take is that this is a free country (or so I hear) and those that need must spend small fortunes on various tweaks are -- and should be -- free to do so. OTOH, I dispute their right to mislead less knowledgeable others into that folly. 'nuff said, -- Ron --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 9:43 AM I know this topic is nothing but a slippery snake pit and anathema do many people, respected audio and acoustic engineers included. But the problem is people to perceive a difference when power cords are changed, and this is something that has been difficult to nail. It could ultimately boil down to a placebo effect that is quite common in pharmaceutical clinical trials these days, but this is just part of a long list of unknowns. Until then, such items are going to be seriously considered and hotly debated. The Hydra series of power cables and conditioners are one such item where I myself have heard a difference. Yet, all the cables on all my systems remain stock until I know conclusively something is happening and there is a definitive reason for this. Bala From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 8:55:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player > I am not sure though if a cheaper power cord (like the Belden) would have > the same effect .... A power cord should have zero sonic effect. Anything claimed to be better would still have zero effect, at ridiculously higher cost. A line cord that meets this requirement costs very little. Anything more is good for the seller but does nothing for the buyer. -- Ron --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:47 AM Ron, There will be people selling them as long as there are people buying them. It seems that the audiophile community has got lots of its sanity back compared to the 90s. I can now walk into a showroom and see 'real' audio tubes and not esoterica that was rescued from some Soviet fighter. The 'Mars Attack' of green dots and green pens, and those Harmonix tuning dots and sheets are now nothing but pamphlets in my library reminding me of the wonderful 80s and 90s. Having said that, Kevin's tweaks seem to come to the point about the PS One. Most others would get carried away doing a million other things to it. I am not sure though if a cheaper power cord (like the Belden) would have the same effect as Kevin's recommendation. Maybe a cheaper cord can do the same and Kevin can have Italian instead. Bala From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player Kevin, No, I don't think I missed the point. To me, $75 bucks for a line cord and fuse is a rip-off, regardless of how little that sum may seem to others. A 'good' line cord should cost about 5 bucks and even the Belden 14AWG shielded cord (about $20) is a tremendous overkill for any piece of audio equipment and most situations. You may be aware that some esoteric audio company has been offering an 'audiophile' 115V wall outlet for $50 (personally, I use $0.79 outlets that works just great, though they do require replacement every 25 years or so). Well, guess what, a catalog I just received shows an outlet for $150. I must assume that, since they advertise those, there must be suckers that actually buy them. 'Suckers', even if they can easily afford $150 wall outlets. Have a nice day, -- Ron --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 11:28 AM You missed the point Ron. At less than a $100 TOTAL, I could justify the power cord and fuse. You notice I didn't hail to the almighty for the sound virtues of the upgrades. The standard power cord is a piece of crap...any 'custom' cord is an improvement in longevity. Same with the fuse, just a nice quality fuse with no sound improvement claims by me. If you have a car that you could improve its reliability with some minor tweaks, would you or would you leave it? Both ways get you to your nice sushi dinner.....BTW, I hate sushi. Kevin  Message: 5 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette     deck/OT CD    player To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <929304.88241.qm at web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than unscrupulous > sellers selling blue sky. The same goes for those two tweaks you did like. The line cord and fuse are worthless (except for the seller). Seventy bucks? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 4 00:49:32 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 15:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player In-Reply-To: <621741.37559.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <621741.37559.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <274056.14156.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, I am one person who prefers blind testing and have always preferred to audition with my eyes closed to minimize any possible bias due to visual perception. The Hydra, during intensive A/B testing did improve sound quality to a certain degree. But at the end of it, I ask myself if I should all that money on power cords (which can buy me quite a number of exquisite Oriental cuisine), or should I save the money for that next audio gear. There are some people who have the money to fling, and then back up their judgments with poorly substantiated reasons. And then there are the less knowledgeable who, as you say, are led into the folly for a variety of reasons. Fortunately, foraying into cables can be an inexpensive thing if one is willing to exercise patience and good judgment. I always go for used cables that have been run in and go for usually half their original price. Despite this, cables remain a slippery snake pit and one needs to do lots of research and unbiased listening (blind tests anyone?). Kevin's tweaks remain relatively inexpensive compared to the esoteric things people fling their spare cash into, and it may be worth foraging. Bala ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 4:35:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player Bala, This is not the first such discussion, nor the last one. Of course, placebo effect plays a huge part here, but this can be minimized by double blind listening tests. The interesting thing is that those that 'hear' differences due to line cords, green ink on CDs etc. are vehemently opposed to blind tests. I wonder why :-). My take is that this is a free country (or so I hear) and those that need must spend small fortunes on various tweaks are -- and should be -- free to do so. OTOH, I dispute their right to mislead less knowledgeable others into that folly. 'nuff said, -- Ron --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD >player >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 9:43 AM > > >I know this topic is nothing but a slippery snake pit and anathema do many >people, respected audio and acoustic engineers included. But the problem is >people to perceive a difference when power cords are changed, and this is >something that has been difficult to nail. > > >It could ultimately boil down to a placebo effect that is quite common in >pharmaceutical clinical trials these days, but this is just part of a long list >of unknowns. Until then, such items are going to be seriously considered and >hotly debated. The Hydra series of power cables and conditioners are one such >item where I myself have heard a difference. Yet, all the cables on all my >systems remain stock until I know conclusively something is happening and there >is a definitive reason for this. > > >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: Ron >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 8:55:29 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD >player > > > >> I am not sure though if a cheaper power cord (like the Belden) would have >> the same effect .... > >A power cord should have zero sonic effect. Anything >claimed to be better would still have zero effect, at >ridiculously higher cost. A line cord that meets this >requirement costs very little. Anything more is good >for the seller but does nothing for the buyer. > >-- Ron > > > > >--- On Sun, 10/3/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD >>player >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:47 AM >> >> >>Ron, >> >>There will be people selling them as long as there are people buying them. It >>seems that the audiophile community has got lots of its sanity back compared to >>the 90s. I can now walk into a showroom and see 'real' audio tubes and not >>esoterica that was rescued from some Soviet fighter. The 'Mars Attack' of green >>dots and green pens, and those Harmonix tuning dots and sheets are now nothing >>but pamphlets in my library reminding me of the wonderful 80s and 90s. >> >> >>Having said that, Kevin's tweaks seem to come to the point about the PS One. >>Most others would get carried away doing a million other things to it. I am not >>sure though if a cheaper power cord (like the Belden) would have the same >>effect as Kevin's recommendation. Maybe a cheaper cord can do the same and >>Kevin can have Italian instead. >> >> >>Bala >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Ron >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:43:51 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD >>player >> >> >>Kevin, >> >>No, I don't think I missed the point. To me, $75 bucks >>for a line cord and fuse is a rip-off, regardless of how >>little that sum may seem to others. A 'good' line cord >>should cost about 5 bucks and even the Belden >>14AWG shielded cord (about $20) is a tremendous >>overkill for any piece of audio equipment and most >>situations. >> >>You may be aware that some esoteric audio company >>has been offering an 'audiophile' 115V wall outlet for >>$50 (personally, I use $0.79 outlets that works just >>great, though they do require replacement every 25 >>years or so). Well, guess what, a catalog I just >>received shows an outlet for $150. I must assume >>that, since they advertise those, there must be >>suckers that actually buy them. 'Suckers', even if >>they can easily afford $150 wall outlets. >> >>Have a nice day, >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >> >>--- On Sat, 10/2/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> >> >>>From: Kevin Fetner >>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD >>>player >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 11:28 AM >>> >>> >>>You missed the point Ron. At less than a $100 TOTAL, I could justify the power >>>cord and fuse. You notice I didn't hail to the almighty for the sound virtues of >>>the upgrades. The standard power cord is a piece of crap...any 'custom' cord is >>>an improvement in longevity. Same with the fuse, just a nice quality fuse with >>>no sound improvement claims by me. >>> >>> >>>If you have a car that you could improve its reliability with some minor tweaks, >>>would you or would you leave it? Both ways get you to your nice sushi >>>dinner.....BTW, I hate sushi. >>> >>>Kevin >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message: 5 >>>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) >>>From: Ron >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette >>> deck/OT CD player >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Message-ID: <929304.88241.qm at web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>>> Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than unscrupulous >>>> sellers selling blue sky. >>> >>>The same goes for those two tweaks you did like. >>>The line cord and fuse are worthless (except for >>>the seller). Seventy bucks? You should have taken >>>your money and gone out for a nice sushi dinner >>>in a good restaurant. :-). >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From desmond975d at yahoo.com.hk Wed Oct 6 16:32:15 2010 From: desmond975d at yahoo.com.hk (Desmond Chan) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:32:15 +0800 (HKT) Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Newly bought CR-7 - Urgent Help needed Message-ID: <589880.17218.qm@web19002.mail.hk2.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, I am a newbie who has just gone a bit crazy and paid a lot for a 99.9% new CR-7. The seller claimed total usage is less than 20 hours. Optically it looks brand new when it arrived .... but then .... 1) After turning on the power both the LEDs of "Stop" and "Fader Up" are lit. I read in some other forum and some people claimed this is normal (even when the Auto Fade button is off). However, when I tried to perform Auto Calibration I keep on receiving the blinking error message. I read the manual and it mentions one of the possible causes is "Fade-Out was performed by pressing the Rec Mute or one of the Master Fader buttons during auto calibration" I am confused. Is Auto Cal function really gone busted in my unit or Auto Cal can't be performed since the Fader Up button is activated??? 2) FW and REW work well. It just can't play WITH a cassette! However, when I play WITHOUT a cassette it moves fine. I am just confused. Has the motor been deterioated up to a point which it could still moves but isn't robust enough to drive a cassette tape? If so, what kind of replacement motor should I be looking for? Really appreciate any advice ... please .. sigh .... Desmond Chan From bixler777 at msn.com Wed Oct 6 18:09:42 2010 From: bixler777 at msn.com (j. bond) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:09:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Newly bought CR-7 - Urgent Help needed In-Reply-To: <589880.17218.qm@web19002.mail.hk2.yahoo.com> References: <589880.17218.qm@web19002.mail.hk2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The blinking error message seen when attempting to use the Auto Calibration can be caused by dirty heads. (Same thing happened to me shortly after I received my 'like new' CR-7a). I cleaned the heads, and voila...the unit worked perfectly...and has ever since. Try cleaning the heads and all the rubber, etc, and see if that doesn't fix the problem. > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:32:15 +0800 > From: desmond975d at yahoo.com.hk > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Newly bought CR-7 - Urgent Help needed > > Hi Guys, > I am a newbie who has just gone a bit crazy and paid a lot for a 99.9% new CR-7. The seller claimed total usage is less than 20 hours. Optically it looks brand new when it arrived .... but then .... > > 1) After turning on the power both the LEDs of "Stop" and "Fader Up" are lit. I read in some other forum and some people claimed this is normal (even when the Auto Fade button is off). However, when I tried to perform Auto Calibration I keep on receiving the blinking error message. I read the manual and it mentions one of the possible causes is "Fade-Out was performed by pressing the Rec Mute or one of the Master Fader buttons during auto calibration" > > I am confused. Is Auto Cal function really gone busted in my unit or Auto Cal can't be performed since the Fader Up button is activated??? > > 2) FW and REW work well. It just can't play WITH a cassette! However, when I play WITHOUT a cassette it moves fine. I am just confused. Has the motor been deterioated up to a point which it could still moves but isn't robust enough to drive a cassette tape? 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Oct 6 18:16:16 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:16:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Newly bought CR-7 - Urgent Help needed In-Reply-To: <589880.17218.qm@web19002.mail.hk2.yahoo.com> References: <589880.17218.qm@web19002.mail.hk2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Fader Up button should be lit - that's perfectly normal. I would guess your problem is that the capstan is not moving for some reason - most likely the belt is broken or off - possibly bad motor or drive electronics but much less likely. Willy On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Desmond Chan wrote: > Hi Guys, > I am a newbie who has just gone a bit crazy and paid a lot for a 99.9% new > CR-7. The seller claimed total usage is less than 20 hours. Optically it > looks brand new when it arrived .... but then .... > > 1) After turning on the power both the LEDs of "Stop" and "Fader Up" are > lit. I read in some other forum and some people claimed this is normal > (even when the Auto Fade button is off). However, when I tried to perform > Auto Calibration I keep on receiving the blinking error message. I read the > manual and it mentions one of the possible causes is "Fade-Out was performed > by pressing the Rec Mute or one of the Master Fader buttons during auto > calibration" > > I am confused. Is Auto Cal function really gone busted in my unit or Auto > Cal can't be performed since the Fader Up button is activated??? > > 2) FW and REW work well. It just can't play WITH a cassette! However, > when I play WITHOUT a cassette it moves fine. I am just confused. Has the > motor been deterioated up to a point which it could still moves but isn't > robust enough to drive a cassette tape? If so, what kind of replacement > motor should I be looking for? > > Really appreciate any advice ... please .. sigh .... > > Desmond Chan > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajivdallas at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 18:13:39 2010 From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (rajivdallas at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:13:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is capturing at 24/192 frm Nak Dragon worth it? Message-ID: <314300054-1286381813-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1802707379-@bda669.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> All, I recently got my Dragon calibrated by Willy and also got the e-mu 0404 sound card that allows up to 24 bit 192 khz audio capture. My question to the group is - Is it worth capturing cassette audio in such hi-res(even 24/96) or is it just the placebo effect that people claim the capture sounds better? I am basically thinking is it better to capture in hi-res or just stick to my DAT deck capture with Super Bit Mapping and capturing in 16 bit 48 khz..... I have been told by some folks before that cassette playback(even on a Dragon) does not have the SNR that justifies the high resolution capture.... On a related note - What do people think of Sony's SBM in enhancing the A/D conversion.... Any thoughts??? Rajiv Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Wed Oct 6 19:09:22 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Newly bought CR-7 - Urgent Help needed In-Reply-To: <589880.17218.qm@web19002.mail.hk2.yahoo.com> References: <589880.17218.qm@web19002.mail.hk2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <863247.97605.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Desmond, I have a CR-7A.  I can give you some limited information: 1) The Fader Up and Stop buttons always stay lit.  They are supposed to. This is normal. 2) The fact that Play will not work when a cassette is loaded could be due to a worn idler tire not being able to give enough pressure to move the hubs. This is assuming you have the rubber tire and not the gear upgrade. Jayson ________________________________ From: Desmond Chan To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 10:32:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Newly bought CR-7 - Urgent Help needed Hi Guys, I am a newbie who has just gone a bit crazy and paid a lot for a 99.9% new CR-7.  The seller claimed total usage is less than 20 hours.  Optically it looks brand new when it arrived .... but then .... 1) After turning on the power both the LEDs of "Stop" and "Fader Up" are lit.  I read in some other forum and some people claimed this is normal (even when the Auto Fade button is off).  However, when I tried to perform Auto Calibration I keep on receiving the blinking error message.  I read the manual and it mentions one of the possible causes is "Fade-Out was performed by pressing the Rec Mute or one of the Master Fader buttons during auto calibration" I am confused.  Is Auto Cal function really gone busted in my unit or Auto Cal can't be performed since the Fader Up button is activated??? 2) FW and REW work well.  It just can't play WITH a cassette!  However, when I play WITHOUT a cassette it moves fine.  I am just confused.  Has the motor been deterioated up to a point which it could still moves but isn't robust enough to drive a cassette tape?  If so, what kind of replacement motor should I be looking for?  Really appreciate any advice ... please .. sigh .... Desmond Chan     ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Oct 6 21:52:51 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Is capturing at 24/192 frm Nak Dragon worth it? In-Reply-To: <314300054-1286381813-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1802707379-@bda669.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <95906.72520.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Rajiv if you are using a PC card in a Personal Computer - good chance that your PC PSU noise on the analog inputs will be much worse than any Nak analog output placed on to the sound card.   IF you are using a dedicated AD converter  for capturing Dragon output with adequate care to maintain the Analog input bandwidth and its associated PSU noise your logic makes sense. Such a system also does not gaurantee good sound  and many recording studios even today use Analog recorders for studio use. One reason why Kermit had made an Album using Nakamichi cassette recorder !   If you care - there are large number discussions about this topic in DIYAUDIO forum. Large number of Hi end audio today still considers Analog recording to be preferable to any Digital recording.   Please feel free to capture and compare the captured sound quality to Dragon' original  direct output through a hi resolution Audio amplifier/ speaker or headphone combination Kannan   --- On Wed, 10/6/10, rajivdallas at gmail.com wrote: From: rajivdallas at gmail.com Subject: [naktalk] Is capturing at 24/192 frm Nak Dragon worth it? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 12:13 PM All, I recently got my Dragon calibrated by Willy and also got the e-mu 0404 sound card that allows up to 24 bit 192 khz audio capture. My question to the group is - Is it worth capturing cassette audio in such hi-res(even 24/96) or is it just the placebo effect that people claim the capture sounds better? I am basically thinking is it better to capture in hi-res or just stick to my DAT deck capture with Super Bit Mapping and capturing in 16 bit 48 khz..... I have been told by some folks before that cassette playback(even on a Dragon) does not have the SNR that justifies the high resolution capture.... On a related note - What do people think of Sony's SBM in enhancing the A/D conversion.... Any thoughts??? Rajiv Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 7 02:27:46 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:27:46 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have a Grace F9E installed my Denon DP1200 TT and a new Shure M97xE in the box. The Grace was purchased back in the mid 80's and I really can't remember how many hours it has on it, but it was purchased shortly before CD's came out and it seems there are probably about 100 hours or so on the cartridge. How can a novice tell if the diamond is still okay other than just by listening? Is there a way to check it while it is still installed on the headshell/tonearm assembly? It looked okay to bozo here while using a 20x loupe but I don't really know what to look for. I recently found out that the Grace F9E can be re-tipped. Has anyone of NakTalk had a stylus re-tipped? Were you happy with it? How hard is it for a novice to install a new cartridge and align it properly? I always took it to the local audiophile shop, bought the cartridge of choice and had them install it. There are NO stereo stores anywhere near me. There is only Sears and WalMart. :-( Thanks, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Thu Oct 7 10:39:04 2010 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:39:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Cheryl, the biggest problem you likely face with an older cart is probably with the the suspension having hardened or softened over time. A quick way to check is to have a look at were the cantilever goes into the cartridge, it should be close to center with the cart on the record and tracking force adjusted. Wear on the stylus is really hard too see but what you are looking for are flat spots worn onto the sides of the stylus. There is a lot of info on the net on cartridge alignment (and I think you might even find a picture of what a worn stylus looks like). A two channel scope and a test record works really well if you have the equipment! Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Cheryl Kaupp To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles I have a Grace F9E installed my Denon DP1200 TT and a new Shure M97xE in the box. The Grace was purchased back in the mid 80's and I really can't remember how many hours it has on it, but it was purchased shortly before CD's came out and it seems there are probably about 100 hours or so on the cartridge. How can a novice tell if the diamond is still okay other than just by listening? Is there a way to check it while it is still installed on the headshell/tonearm assembly? It looked okay to bozo here while using a 20x loupe but I don't really know what to look for. I recently found out that the Grace F9E can be re-tipped. Has anyone of NakTalk had a stylus re-tipped? Were you happy with it? How hard is it for a novice to install a new cartridge and align it properly? I always took it to the local audiophile shop, bought the cartridge of choice and had them install it. There are NO stereo stores anywhere near me. There is only Sears and WalMart. L Thanks, Cheryl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimtuller at verizon.net Thu Oct 7 12:47:19 2010 From: jimtuller at verizon.net (Jim Tuller) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:47:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: "Stylus question" Message-ID: <4CADA537.7000500@verizon.net> >> How hard is it for a novice to install a new cartridge and align it >> properly? There are a lot of good resources at: www.vinylengine.com including both howto articles and some helpful contributors who participate in the forum. From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu Oct 7 13:41:44 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with newly ought CR7 Message-ID: <1982735502.4255.1286451704243.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Assuming this is the CR7 that was described as going back to Nakamichi to have the "transport update" performed after only operate for 20 hours, and then sat, sealed in the original box until sold, then it already has the gear update, as the S/N was after they came from the factory that way. As Willy said, it is most likely the capstan belt, which has sat in the same position for years on end. Without proper tape tension between the capstans, it will not autocal or play. You do realize that the tape has to be moving, correctly in order for the autocal to work, right? You say it doesn't play with a tape, and autocal doesn't work, so of course...how could it? If you had read this forum before or during your purchase, you would have seen a few comments that always are brought up whenever anyone buys a "never used" deck, especially on ebay. The cosmetics, which are very very desirable, of course, and the original shipping boxes, etc are fantastic to have, but sitting around unpowered for years is the worst thing for a deck. Caps, go bad, corrosion creep sets in, belts take a set. It's advice that's been on here for years. At least power up your decks, once a week, and cycle the mechanism with a tape for 5 minutes. It should be like new for decades. The best thing you can do, is send it to Willy. If you spent nearly $2k for the deck, don't chance destroying it's value. Sending it to Willy will only enhance it's value. 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In-Reply-To: <314300054-1286381813-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1802707379-@bda669.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <634119.94345.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/6/10, rajivdallas at gmail.com wrote: > From: rajivdallas at gmail.com > Subject: [naktalk] Is capturing at 24/192 frm Nak Dragon worth it? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 12:13 PM > All, > > I recently got my Dragon calibrated by Willy and also got > the e-mu 0404 sound card that allows up to 24 bit 192 khz > audio capture. > > My question to the group is - Is it worth capturing > cassette audio in such hi-res(even 24/96) or is it just the > placebo effect that people claim the capture sounds better? No placebo effect, it does sound better, though the difference is subtle. IOW, it depends on quality of the source cassette and the rest of your system. Personally, I would go for high resolution, but why don't you simply try it and see how your ears like it? -- Ron > I am basically thinking is it better to capture in hi-res or > just stick to my DAT deck capture with Super Bit Mapping and > capturing in 16 bit 48 khz..... > > I have been told by some folks before that cassette > playback(even on a Dragon) does not have the SNR that > justifies the high resolution capture.... > > On a related note - What do people think of Sony's SBM in > enhancing the A/D conversion.... > > Any thoughts??? > > Rajiv > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 7 20:24:27 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 08:24:27 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Rainer, Your suspension comment hits home. It looks to me like the suspension has softened and the cartridge body is sitting too close to the record. It was boxed for about 5 years until recently. I cleaned it up, made a new tonearm rest/lock since the old one disintegrated, and set up the tonearm balance, tracking, and anti-skate. I'm not sure I have the tracking force right for the Grace since my instructions seem to be missing so I set it to .9 grams. A search on the net indicates it should be at 1.2 grams. But even at .9 grams it seems that the body of the cartridge assembly sits closer to the record than I recall. It still sounds pretty good but seems to be a little muddy - especially in the bass. Thanks! Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:39 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Cheryl, the biggest problem you likely face with an older cart is probably with the the suspension having hardened or softened over time. A quick way to check is to have a look at were the cantilever goes into the cartridge, it should be close to center with the cart on the record and tracking force adjusted. Wear on the stylus is really hard too see but what you are looking for are flat spots worn onto the sides of the stylus. There is a lot of info on the net on cartridge alignment (and I think you might even find a picture of what a worn stylus looks like). A two channel scope and a test record works really well if you have the equipment! Rainer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Thu Oct 7 22:45:39 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 09:45:39 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: <201010071006.o97A05ZA006030@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010071006.o97A05ZA006030@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <5e8195ca6b208c1f18ed6fea669beee0.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Cheryl, If you have only about 100 hours on the Grace, it would have atleast 90% life left .... so plenty of LP miles left in it yet. As Rainer said, given the age just check the cantilever suspension as a precaution, and the easiest way to do that is to watch it as the arm comes down onto the LP and see how it reacts when the load comes on. You can also gently tease the cantilever with a fine sable brush and look at the bounce back after gentle deflection, vertically and horizontally.. but that is usually an experience based assessment. Be wary that with some cartridges the cantilever doesn't sit 'central' in the static state, but do 'centralise' under load when playing. (It is years since I've played with a Grace! ). Generally, if the cartridge doesn't bottom out (hit the LP) in use and still plays within the manufacturers specification for tracking force/bias range, and the sound is OK/no distortion on transients, then chances are it is fine. Personally, I've been lucky and have yet to encounter a cartridge with 'stuffed' suspension through age. Provenance (history) is everything in cartridges.. you have owned it since new and aware of it's usage to date.. so again, should be fine. Stylus life is on open ended question.. anywhere from 500 hours up (I've always plumped for 1000 hours myself as a rule of thumb), but some recent reports on various audio forums have indicated 2000-3000 hours use with more advanced profiles and clean LP's, and still useable. To inspect the stylus in detail you really need 100x plus magnification to inspect the wear surface. 20x is OK for looking at it for maintenance purposes though, and really all you can do at home. You will easily spot any major damage (twisted cantilever, bent cantilever.. and shock horror.. a missing tip!) etc , as well as determining how clean it is etc. Just look for alignment and symmetry of the assembly and tip profile (as best you can, side on and head on). Retipping is common especially in Moving Coil circles, and the world is your oyster here!!...you can upgrade the stylus profile, change the cantilever material , and renew the suspension in some cases. You 'can' end up with a cartridge that will perform better than the original.. it is really only a question of how much money you wish to throw at it. (I use a Garrot 'microscanner profile' retipped Decca London Gold, which far outperforms the original in most areas... I have no hesitation in retipping a cartridge,... if it is worth it) Installing and aligning a new cartridge is relativley easy first time ... like falling off a bike the second time you do it!. Google 'the vinyl engine'.. sign up and go for it. In the 'library', there should be good instructions on installing and setting up cartridges, and cartridge maintenance. Alignment protractors are there too (go for the 'simple' or baerwald alignments).. print off and check the scale is OK after printing. If you need any other help or clarification, contact me off-forum. The world of turntables/arms/cartridges is heaps of fun.. enjoy! cheers, Martin From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Oct 7 23:36:48 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:36:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Cheryl - At 0.9 grams the cartridge will be mistracking a bunch accounting for the muddy bass. If you cartridge suspension is flat there's not much you can do but get a new stylus. Willy On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > Rainer, > > > > Your suspension comment hits home. It looks to me like the suspension has > softened and the cartridge body is sitting too close to the record. It was > boxed for about 5 years until recently. I cleaned it up, made a new tonearm > rest/lock since the old one disintegrated, and set up the tonearm balance, > tracking, and anti-skate. I’m not sure I have the tracking force right for > the Grace since my instructions seem to be missing so I set it to .9 grams. > A search on the net indicates it should be at 1.2 grams. But even at .9 > grams it seems that the body of the cartridge assembly sits closer to the > record than I recall. It still sounds pretty good but seems to be a little > muddy – especially in the bass. > > > > Thanks! > > Cheryl > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Rainer & Joy-Ell > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:39 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles > > > > Cheryl, the biggest problem you likely face with an older cart is probably > with the the suspension having hardened or softened over time. A quick way > to check is to have a look at were the cantilever goes into the cartridge, > it should be close to center with the cart on the record and tracking force > adjusted. Wear on the stylus is really hard too see but what you are > looking for are flat spots worn onto the sides of the stylus. There is a lot > of info on the net on cartridge alignment (and I think you might even find a > picture of what a worn stylus looks like). A two channel scope and a test > record works really well if you have the equipment! > > > > Rainer > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 00:15:26 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:15:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Cheryl, the problem about adjusting an arm is that before the force can be set, the arm must be ZEROED. Many people overlook the zeroing phase, and as a result the stylus force adjustment winds up being arbitrary. There are numerous tutorials online about adjustment an arm. For example, here -- http://www.vinylengine.com/ That aside, if you graph the distortion of a cartridge versus stylus force, you will find that inadequate stylus force mainly causes ugly distortion of the high frequencies. * * * * * Cantilever failure (sag) is very common. This is caused by a failing internal spring inside the stylus assembly. When this occurs, even at the correct tracking force the cartridge body will practically drag on the record (or in some cases it will drag on the record.) When this happens, you need to replace the stylus. Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > Rainer, > > > > Your suspension comment hits home. It looks to me like the suspension has > softened and the cartridge body is sitting too close to the record. It was > boxed for about 5 years until recently. I cleaned it up, made a new tonearm > rest/lock since the old one disintegrated, and set up the tonearm balance, > tracking, and anti-skate. I’m not sure I have the tracking force right for > the Grace since my instructions seem to be missing so I set it to .9 grams. > A search on the net indicates it should be at 1.2 grams. But even at .9 > grams it seems that the body of the cartridge assembly sits closer to the > record than I recall. It still sounds pretty good but seems to be a little > muddy – especially in the bass. > > > > Thanks! > > Cheryl > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Rainer & Joy-Ell > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:39 PM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles > > > > Cheryl, the biggest problem you likely face with an older cart is probably > with the the suspension having hardened or softened over time. A quick way > to check is to have a look at were the cantilever goes into the cartridge, > it should be close to center with the cart on the record and tracking force > adjusted. Wear on the stylus is really hard too see but what you are > looking for are flat spots worn onto the sides of the stylus. There is a lot > of info on the net on cartridge alignment (and I think you might even find a > picture of what a worn stylus looks like). A two channel scope and a test > record works really well if you have the equipment! > > > > Rainer > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 7 23:41:00 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:41:00 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: <5e8195ca6b208c1f18ed6fea669beee0.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> References: <201010071006.o97A05ZA006030@zxe.naks.com> <5e8195ca6b208c1f18ed6fea669beee0.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: Wow, thanks Martin! Great info! I was always pretty fearless about tackling anything from fixing electronics to fixing cars and household wiring but for some reason the phono cartridge was something that brought on mucho fear so I let the experienced guys do it. There are none of those guys here that I'm aware of so the job belongs to fumble-fingers. I'm the one who somehow knocked off the tape guide nut on the Nak while fixing the eject cable -- fumble-fingers in action. Okay Cheryl, put the slide-hammer away. It's not an axle. You guys are a wonderful resource. Thanks so much! Searching is actually tricky if you don't know the right terms to search for and "thing-a-ma-bobby" doesn't cut it. You guys have given me the right terms and some great resources to use. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Cheryl, If you have only about 100 hours on the Grace, it would have atleast 90% life left .... so plenty of LP miles left in it yet. As Rainer said, given the age just check the cantilever suspension as a precaution, and the easiest way to do that is to watch it as the arm comes down onto the LP and see how it reacts when the load comes on. You can also gently tease the cantilever with a fine sable brush and look at the bounce back after gentle deflection, vertically and horizontally.. but that is usually an experience based assessment. Be wary that with some cartridges the cantilever doesn't sit 'central' in the static state, but do 'centralise' under load when playing. (It is years since I've played with a Grace! ). ---------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 8 00:32:58 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:32:58 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Upped tracking to 1.2 grams per vinylengine and it sounds much better. Then I sat there for ½ hour and watched from the side while a record played. When the stylus isn’t on the record, eyeballing the cantilever it appears to be about 40 to 45 degrees. When the record is playing, the VTA appears to be about 20 to 25 degrees and the stylus body never hits the record. A rough guess would be about 1/16” on average between the body and the record. Of course I’m still listening to 1¼ channel which isn’t a very good listening test hopefully the preamp will be on the dining room table this afternoon. Just too much to do . Thanks Willy, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Cheryl - At 0.9 grams the cartridge will be mistracking a bunch accounting for the muddy bass. If you cartridge suspension is flat there's not much you can do but get a new stylus. Willy On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 8 02:00:36 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:00:36 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: I did zero it first. The Denon user's manual has very good instructions for zeroing the tonearm and setting the anti-skate. But I'm not adverse to doing it again just to make sure if the spouse leaves the house for a while.. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:15 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Cheryl, the problem about adjusting an arm is that before the force can be set, the arm must be ZEROED. Many people overlook the zeroing phase, and as a result the stylus force adjustment winds up being arbitrary. There are numerous tutorials online about adjustment an arm. For example, here -- http://www.vinylengine.com/ That aside, if you graph the distortion of a cartridge versus stylus force, you will find that inadequate stylus force mainly causes ugly distortion of the high frequencies. * * * * * Cantilever failure (sag) is very common. This is caused by a failing internal spring inside the stylus assembly. When this occurs, even at the correct tracking force the cartridge body will practically drag on the record (or in some cases it will drag on the record.) When this happens, you need to replace the stylus. Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajivdallas at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 02:51:55 2010 From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (rajivdallas at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:51:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is capturing at 24/192 frm Nak Dragon worth it? Message-ID: <1962093213-1286501836-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1360791937-@bda669.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Kannan The card I speak off is a USB based card so all the prcoessing is happenning in an isolated unit and then sent to the computer via USB so no issue with PSU noise...many audiophiles use it to capture tapes and vinyl rips. To your point about using an analog recorder - totally agree if you use reel tape....years ago I had an extended discussion with famous engineer Stephen Barncard(he recorded and engineered Grateful Dead and Crosby, Stills and Nash albums) about this aspect and he was adamant that nothing beats 1/2 inch studio tape..... That said, I will beg to differ on the cassette front....I have never heard a cassette tape that could beat the sound quality of a digital recorder....yes the digital recorders sound sterile and not as warm but as you go to 24 bits you start to get that as well....if that were not the case cassettes would still be popular.....they were just a compact way of recording and playing music for a consumer....not something to do studio work with.....in fact I am blown away that folks on this list still record on cassettes when there are much cleaner sounding mediums available....I myself have not recorded on cassette tape in over 12-13 years now and never will despite having a fully calibrated Dragon and many other Naks. Regards Rajiv Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 11:37:13 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 02:37:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Cheryl, since you've got the zeroing down, and the stylus force is therefore calibrated, you probably have cantilever suspension failure. It lost its spring tension -- really a common problem. There's no cure other than to replace the stylus assembly. There are basically six things that have to be adjusted once a new stylus is installed. It will break in over the first few weeks, so the item that I've starred (*) will need to be readjusted. 1. stylus force 2. anti-skate 3. overhang 4. tangency (best null) 5. azimuth 6. vertical tracking angle* Items 3 and 4 are interactive. You can learn about all these adjustments at the Vinyl Engine. Pay particular attention to keeping the diamond clean. Even the least little bit of contamination will ruin the sound. Enjoy your music! Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > I did zero it first. The Denon user’s manual has very good instructions > for zeroing the tonearm and setting the anti-skate. > > But I’m not adverse to doing it again just to make sure if the spouse > leaves the house for a while…. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:15 PM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles > > > > Cheryl, the problem about adjusting an arm is that before the force can be > set, the arm must be ZEROED. Many people overlook the zeroing phase, and as > a result the stylus force adjustment winds up being arbitrary. There are > numerous tutorials online about adjustment an arm. For example, here -- > > > http://www.vinylengine.com/ > > That aside, if you graph the distortion of a cartridge versus stylus force, > you will find that inadequate stylus force mainly causes ugly distortion of > the high frequencies. > > * * * * * > > Cantilever failure (sag) is very common. This is caused by a failing > internal spring inside the stylus assembly. When this occurs, even at the > correct tracking force the cartridge body will practically drag on the > record (or in some cases it will drag on the record.) When this happens, you > need to replace the stylus. > > Fred > > Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Cheryl Kaupp > wrote: > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 8 13:13:18 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 04:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Is capturing at 24/192 frm Nak Dragon worth it? In-Reply-To: <1962093213-1286501836-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1360791937-@bda669.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1962093213-1286501836-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1360791937-@bda669.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <511198.95337.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Rajiv, I beg to differ on using cassettes for recording. Two years ago, I used a 1000ZXL to record of a 32 channel mixer in a live concert of some Indian music instruments being played on-stage. There was no degradation of the sound with no discernible difference between input and output. Many of the newer sound guys there were totally thrilled to see a 30 year old cassette deck best a Marantz professional CD recorder. You will be surprised at the pedigree of recordings that a Dragon can do, and it lives up to it's reputation. It would go so far to say that it can give lots of quarter inch reel to reel decks a run for their money. There are many types of kit being sold for transcribing vinyl and tape into digital formats. While most of it satisfies the general listener, the average Nakaphile transcends these norms and looks beyond. Some of these things such as noise is what Kannan is referring to and I agree with him here. I have done lots of work archiving important recordings made over a span of 30 years in cassettes into digital format and plugging a deck into a soundcard only gets you so far. A USB powered soundcard still draws it's 5volts power from the PC's PSU and noise is inevitable. What you need is a dedicated A/D which does justice to what the Dragon puts out. In my case, I use a Sony JA-555ES minidisc deck in a AD mode. Lots of Sony digital recorders go into this mode when you hit the record button without media inserted. If you are into old Indian songs, message me off-line. Bala ________________________________ From: "rajivdallas at gmail.com" To: kannan srinivasaraghavan ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 8:51:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is capturing at 24/192 frm Nak Dragon worth it? Kannan The card I speak off is a USB based card so all the prcoessing is happenning in an isolated unit and then sent to the computer via USB so no issue with PSU noise...many audiophiles use it to capture tapes and vinyl rips. To your point about using an analog recorder - totally agree if you use reel tape....years ago I had an extended discussion with famous engineer Stephen Barncard(he recorded and engineered Grateful Dead and Crosby, Stills and Nash albums) about this aspect and he was adamant that nothing beats 1/2 inch studio tape..... That said, I will beg to differ on the cassette front....I have never heard a cassette tape that could beat the sound quality of a digital recorder....yes the digital recorders sound sterile and not as warm but as you go to 24 bits you start to get that as well....if that were not the case cassettes would still be popular.....they were just a compact way of recording and playing music for a consumer....not something to do studio work with.....in fact I am blown away that folks on this list still record on cassettes when there are much cleaner sounding mediums available....I myself have not recorded on cassette tape in over 12-13 years now and never will despite having a fully calibrated Dragon and many other Naks. Regards Rajiv Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 8 13:15:26 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 04:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <676539.72777.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred is right. One thing though is once you have adjusted, check the tracking force (number 1) which can change slightly due to changes in VTA. Fred, what is your preferred method of null point adjustment for a SME Series III arm? Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:37:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Cheryl, since you've got the zeroing down, and the stylus force is therefore calibrated, you probably have cantilever suspension failure. It lost its spring tension -- really a common problem. There's no cure other than to replace the stylus assembly. There are basically six things that have to be adjusted once a new stylus is installed. It will break in over the first few weeks, so the item that I've starred (*) will need to be readjusted. 1. stylus force 2. anti-skate 3. overhang 4. tangency (best null) 5. azimuth 6. vertical tracking angle* Items 3 and 4 are interactive. You can learn about all these adjustments at the Vinyl Engine. Pay particular attention to keeping the diamond clean. Even the least little bit of contamination will ruin the sound. Enjoy your music! Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: I did zero it first. The Denon user’s manual has very good instructions for zeroing the tonearm and setting the anti-skate. >But I’m not adverse to doing it again just to make sure if the spouse leaves the >house for a while…. > > ________________________________ >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of >Fred Longworth >Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:15 PM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles > >Cheryl, the problem about adjusting an arm is that before the force can be set, >the arm must be ZEROED. Many people overlook the zeroing phase, and as a result >the stylus force adjustment winds up being arbitrary. There are numerous >tutorials online about adjustment an arm. For example, here -- > > >http://www.vinylengine.com/ > >That aside, if you graph the distortion of a cartridge versus stylus force, you >will find that inadequate stylus force mainly causes ugly distortion of the high >frequencies. > >* * * * * > >Cantilever failure (sag) is very common. This is caused by a failing internal >spring inside the stylus assembly. When this occurs, even at the correct >tracking force the cartridge body will practically drag on the record (or in >some cases it will drag on the record.) When this happens, you need to replace >the stylus. > >Fred > >Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM >Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >San Diego, CA 92116 >(619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >Fax: (619) 282-7872 >classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >stereo1 at cox.net >www.repairaudio.com >On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Oct 8 18:16:25 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 08:16:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: <676539.72777.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <676539.72777.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: One relevant comment for all on stylus wear: Just because the stylus only has 100 hours use does NOT mean it's in good shape. If you purchased it new and put the use on it you know what condition your records are in and are probably OK. If not, after spending 25 years looking at client's styli under a microscope, I can tell you that you have no idea of the condition. Dust in record grooves is microscopic gravel and will wear a diamond stylus at an amazingly fast rate. Willy On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Fred is right. One thing though is once you have adjusted, check the > tracking force (number 1) which can change slightly due to changes in VTA. > > Fred, what is your preferred method of null point adjustment for a SME > Series III arm? > > Regards, > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fred Longworth > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Fri, October 8, 2010 5:37:13 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles > > Cheryl, since you've got the zeroing down, and the stylus force is > therefore calibrated, you probably have cantilever suspension failure. It > lost its spring tension -- really a common problem. There's no cure other > than to replace the stylus assembly. > > There are basically six things that have to be adjusted once a new stylus > is installed. It will break in over the first few weeks, so the item that > I've starred (*) will need to be readjusted. > > 1. stylus force > 2. anti-skate > 3. overhang > 4. tangency (best null) > 5. azimuth > 6. vertical tracking angle* > > Items 3 and 4 are interactive. You can learn about all these adjustments at > the Vinyl Engine. > > Pay particular attention to keeping the diamond clean. Even the least > little bit of contamination will ruin the sound. > > Enjoy your music! > > Fred > > Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > >> I did zero it first. The Denon user’s manual has very good instructions >> for zeroing the tonearm and setting the anti-skate. >> >> But I’m not adverse to doing it again just to make sure if the spouse >> leaves the house for a while…. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Fred Longworth >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:15 PM >> >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles >> >> >> >> Cheryl, the problem about adjusting an arm is that before the force can be >> set, the arm must be ZEROED. Many people overlook the zeroing phase, and as >> a result the stylus force adjustment winds up being arbitrary. There are >> numerous tutorials online about adjustment an arm. For example, here -- >> >> >> http://www.vinylengine.com/ >> >> That aside, if you graph the distortion of a cartridge versus stylus >> force, you will find that inadequate stylus force mainly causes ugly >> distortion of the high frequencies. >> >> * * * * * >> >> Cantilever failure (sag) is very common. This is caused by a failing >> internal spring inside the stylus assembly. When this occurs, even at the >> correct tracking force the cartridge body will practically drag on the >> record (or in some cases it will drag on the record.) When this happens, you >> need to replace the stylus. >> >> Fred >> >> Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM >> Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >> 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >> San Diego, CA 92116 >> (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >> Fax: (619) 282-7872 >> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >> stereo1 at cox.net >> www.repairaudio.com >> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Cheryl Kaupp >> wrote: >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 23:45:53 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:45:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: <676539.72777.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <676539.72777.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, I tend to use the Heybrook or the Baerwald protractors, which can be downloaded from -- www.vinylengine.com It works out mathematically, that when the overhang is at the optimal point, the inner vs. outer null error will approach a theoretical minimum. For it to approach zero as a limit, the tonearm would need to be infinitely long . . . and in that case we would have a linear-tracking arm! I have always considered the SME arms to be the industry standard. The popular Rega arms are good, but they don't match up to SME. * * * * * If you've done enough tonearm setups, you can "eyeball it" and get pretty close to the optimal values. Then a final tweak will dial it in. Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Fred is right. One thing though is once you have adjusted, check the > tracking force (number 1) which can change slightly due to changes in VTA. > > Fred, what is your preferred method of null point adjustment for a SME > Series III arm? > > Regards, > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fred Longworth > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Fri, October 8, 2010 5:37:13 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles > > Cheryl, since you've got the zeroing down, and the stylus force is > therefore calibrated, you probably have cantilever suspension failure. It > lost its spring tension -- really a common problem. There's no cure other > than to replace the stylus assembly. > > There are basically six things that have to be adjusted once a new stylus > is installed. It will break in over the first few weeks, so the item that > I've starred (*) will need to be readjusted. > > 1. stylus force > 2. anti-skate > 3. overhang > 4. tangency (best null) > 5. azimuth > 6. vertical tracking angle* > > Items 3 and 4 are interactive. You can learn about all these adjustments at > the Vinyl Engine. > > Pay particular attention to keeping the diamond clean. Even the least > little bit of contamination will ruin the sound. > > Enjoy your music! > > Fred > > Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > >> I did zero it first. The Denon user’s manual has very good instructions >> for zeroing the tonearm and setting the anti-skate. >> >> But I’m not adverse to doing it again just to make sure if the spouse >> leaves the house for a while…. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Fred Longworth >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:15 PM >> >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles >> >> >> >> Cheryl, the problem about adjusting an arm is that before the force can be >> set, the arm must be ZEROED. Many people overlook the zeroing phase, and as >> a result the stylus force adjustment winds up being arbitrary. There are >> numerous tutorials online about adjustment an arm. For example, here -- >> >> >> http://www.vinylengine.com/ >> >> That aside, if you graph the distortion of a cartridge versus stylus >> force, you will find that inadequate stylus force mainly causes ugly >> distortion of the high frequencies. >> >> * * * * * >> >> Cantilever failure (sag) is very common. This is caused by a failing >> internal spring inside the stylus assembly. When this occurs, even at the >> correct tracking force the cartridge body will practically drag on the >> record (or in some cases it will drag on the record.) When this happens, you >> need to replace the stylus. >> >> Fred >> >> Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM >> Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >> 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >> San Diego, CA 92116 >> (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >> Fax: (619) 282-7872 >> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >> stereo1 at cox.net >> www.repairaudio.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 9 07:44:06 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <676539.72777.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <919889.68494.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Fred! I used to have a 12in VPI JMW arm which was a beautiful arm that reminds me so much of a Loricraft. However those were straight arms whereas the SME III is a S arm. I mounted it on a Thorens TD-124 and got quite good results. The Rega RB300 was a good arm though I personally felt it was a little dry sounding (and no VTA!!!) . Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 5:45:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Bala, I tend to use the Heybrook or the Baerwald protractors, which can be downloaded from -- www.vinylengine.com It works out mathematically, that when the overhang is at the optimal point, the inner vs. outer null error will approach a theoretical minimum. For it to approach zero as a limit, the tonearm would need to be infinitely long . . . and in that case we would have a linear-tracking arm! I have always considered the SME arms to be the industry standard. The popular Rega arms are good, but they don't match up to SME. * * * * * If you've done enough tonearm setups, you can "eyeball it" and get pretty close to the optimal values. Then a final tweak will dial it in. Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Fred is right. One thing though is once you have adjusted, check the tracking force (number 1) which can change slightly due to changes in VTA. > >Fred, what is your preferred method of null point adjustment for a SME Series >III arm? > >Regards, >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:37:13 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles > > >Cheryl, since you've got the zeroing down, and the stylus force is therefore >calibrated, you probably have cantilever suspension failure. It lost its spring >tension -- really a common problem. There's no cure other than to replace the >stylus assembly. > >There are basically six things that have to be adjusted once a new stylus is >installed. It will break in over the first few weeks, so the item that I've >starred (*) will need to be readjusted. > >1. stylus force >2. anti-skate >3. overhang >4. tangency (best null) >5. azimuth >6. vertical tracking angle* > >Items 3 and 4 are interactive. You can learn about all these adjustments at the >Vinyl Engine. > >Pay particular attention to keeping the diamond clean. Even the least little bit >of contamination will ruin the sound. > >Enjoy your music! > >Fred > >Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM >Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >San Diego, CA 92116 >(619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >Fax: (619) 282-7872 >classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >stereo1 at cox.net >www.repairaudio.com > > >On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > >I did zero it first. The Denon user’s manual has very good instructions for >zeroing the tonearm and setting the anti-skate. >>But I’m not adverse to doing it again just to make sure if the spouse leaves the >>house for a while…. >> >> ________________________________ >>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of >>Fred Longworth >>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:15 PM >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles >> >>Cheryl, the problem about adjusting an arm is that before the force can be set, >>the arm must be ZEROED. Many people overlook the zeroing phase, and as a result >>the stylus force adjustment winds up being arbitrary. There are numerous >>tutorials online about adjustment an arm. For example, here -- >> >> >>http://www.vinylengine.com/ >> >>That aside, if you graph the distortion of a cartridge versus stylus force, you >>will find that inadequate stylus force mainly causes ugly distortion of the high >>frequencies. >> >>* * * * * >> >>Cantilever failure (sag) is very common. This is caused by a failing internal >>spring inside the stylus assembly. When this occurs, even at the correct >>tracking force the cartridge body will practically drag on the record (or in >>some cases it will drag on the record.) When this happens, you need to replace >>the stylus. >> >>Fred >> >>Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM >>Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >>3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >>San Diego, CA 92116 >>(619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >>Fax: (619) 282-7872 >>classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >>stereo1 at cox.net >>www.repairaudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at guyfacey.com Sat Oct 9 07:03:30 2010 From: mail at guyfacey.com (Guy Facey) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 13:03:30 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have a Heybrook TT2 with a Rega arm. I was completely happy but she who must be obeyed said I had to get a new cartridge (why argue? - ours is also 1985 vintage and I've no idea how many hours we've played but it can't be that many. We don't listen to our HIFi every evening. I didnt buy a cd player until 1994 and until then it was the black vinyl backed up by the Nak BX300 recordings for car and cassette players, and I could never hear any difference from the original). We now live in Hong Kong. I found the audiophile shop less than half a mile from my office (despite all my friends saying they had no idea where to buy audiophile in HK!). I bought a Sumiko Black Pearl MM cartridge, found the alignment instructions on the internet and drove myself mad with tiny screws and my fingers, but the effort was worth it. (I should add that at first it only worked on one channel and I thought it was me, refitted it 3 times, but I took the cartridge back and it was faulty, immediately replaced and the 5th installation worked perfectly). So - go for it! You will gets such joy listening to your old black vinyl and it's great for impressing the friends who think iPods produce HiFi ! Some kind folks have told me how to DIY repair my Nak but I still haven't got around to it and am not sure if I have the skills; I will either get it restored by someone in the US or Europe or sell it to someone on Naktalk - I need to find out how to record my black vinyl to cd - in spite of what I've said above I do have an iPod for general listening. The black vinyl is our treat for real listening. Guy On 7 October 2010 08:27, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > > I have a Grace F9E installed my Denon DP1200 TT and a new Shure M97xE in > the box. > > > > The Grace was purchased back in the mid 80’s and I really can’t remember > how many hours it has on it, but it was purchased shortly before CD’s came > out and it seems there are probably about 100 hours or so on the cartridge. > > How can a novice tell if the diamond is still okay other than just by > listening? Is there a way to check it while it is still installed on the > headshell/tonearm assembly? It looked okay to bozo here while using a 20x > loupe but I don’t really know what to look for. > > > > I recently found out that the Grace F9E can be re-tipped. Has anyone of > NakTalk had a stylus re-tipped? Were you happy with it? > > > > How hard is it for a novice to install a new cartridge and align it > properly? I always took it to the local audiophile shop, bought the > cartridge of choice and had them install it. There are NO stereo stores > anywhere near me. There is only Sears and WalMart. L > > > > Thanks, > > Cheryl > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Sat Oct 9 14:58:57 2010 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 05:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: <919889.68494.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <676539.72777.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <919889.68494.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <174293.51617.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Bala, the SME V is considered one of the best tonearms and it is a straight arm. Jayson  ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 1:44:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Thanks Fred! I used to have a 12in VPI JMW arm which was a beautiful arm that reminds me so much of a Loricraft. However those were straight arms whereas the SME III is a S arm. I mounted it on a Thorens TD-124 and got quite good results. The Rega RB300 was a good arm though I personally felt it was a little dry sounding (and no VTA!!!) . Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 5:45:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Bala, I tend to use the Heybrook or the Baerwald protractors, which can be downloaded from -- www.vinylengine.com It works out mathematically, that when the overhang is at the optimal point, the inner vs. outer null error will approach a theoretical minimum. For it to approach zero as a limit, the tonearm would need to be infinitely long . . . and in that case we would have a linear-tracking arm! I have always considered the SME arms to be the industry standard. The popular Rega arms are good, but they don't match up to SME. * * * * * If you've done enough tonearm setups, you can "eyeball it" and get pretty close to the optimal values. Then a final tweak will dial it in. Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Fred is right. One thing though is once you have adjusted, check the tracking force (number 1) which can change slightly due to changes in VTA. > >Fred, what is your preferred method of null point adjustment for a SME Series >III arm? > >Regards, >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:37:13 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles > > >Cheryl, since you've got the zeroing down, and the stylus force is therefore >calibrated, you probably have cantilever suspension failure. It lost its spring >tension -- really a common problem. There's no cure other than to replace the >stylus assembly. > >There are basically six things that have to be adjusted once a new stylus is >installed. It will break in over the first few weeks, so the item that I've >starred (*) will need to be readjusted. > >1. stylus force >2. anti-skate >3. overhang >4. tangency (best null) >5. azimuth >6. vertical tracking angle* > >Items 3 and 4 are interactive. You can learn about all these adjustments at the >Vinyl Engine. > >Pay particular attention to keeping the diamond clean. Even the least little bit >of contamination will ruin the sound. > >Enjoy your music! > >Fred > >Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM >Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >San Diego, CA 92116 >(619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >Fax: (619) 282-7872 >classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >stereo1 at cox.net >www.repairaudio.com > > >On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > >I did zero it first. The Denon user’s manual has very good instructions for >zeroing the tonearm and setting the anti-skate. >>But I’m not adverse to doing it again just to make sure if the spouse leaves the >>house for a while…. >>  >> ________________________________ >>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of >>Fred Longworth >>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:15 PM >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles >>  >>Cheryl, the problem about adjusting an arm is that before the force can be set, >>the arm must be ZEROED. Many people overlook the zeroing phase, and as a result >>the stylus force adjustment winds up being arbitrary. There are numerous >>tutorials online about adjustment an arm. For example, here -- >> >> >> >>http://www.vinylengine.com/ >> >>That aside, if you graph the distortion of a cartridge versus stylus force, you >>will find that inadequate stylus force mainly causes ugly distortion of the high >>frequencies. >> >>* * * * * >> >>Cantilever failure (sag) is very common. This is caused by a failing internal >>spring inside the stylus assembly. When this occurs, even at the correct >>tracking force the cartridge body will practically drag on the record (or in >>some cases it will drag on the record.) When this happens, you need to replace >>the stylus. >> >>Fred >> >>Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM >>Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >>3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >>San Diego, CA 92116 >>(619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >>Fax: (619) 282-7872 >>classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >>stereo1 at cox.net >>www.repairaudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For it to approach zero as a limit, the tonearm would need to be infinitely long . . . and in that case we would have a linear-tracking arm! I have always considered the SME arms to be the industry standard. The popular Rega arms are good, but they don't match up to SME. * * * * * If you've done enough tonearm setups, you can "eyeball it" and get pretty close to the optimal values. Then a final tweak will dial it in. Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Sun Oct 10 01:16:25 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:16:25 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0><676539.72777.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A054A0CCB9D4743B255B948AF2612E6@desktop> Well, I guess as I made that statement, I need to clarify.........without wishing to start a flame war!!.. Of course Willy is correct in absolute terms for the reasons stated. As an analogy, running your Jeep off-road all the time is always going to wear it out one helluva lot faster than a life on tarmac... and only the user can 'appreciate' the condition of his/her records etc. Also, one miss-cue can irrepairably damage your cartridge.. as happened to one of my customer's many years ago.. a zero hours moving coil... ouch... However, in this case we have a forum member wishing to come to grips with vinyl play, who is aware of the approximate playing time to date of a good cartridge owned from new, used on what I assumed to be good condition LP's. My aim here was to help and encourage, not to start 'complicating' the issue, and lets face it, chances are that Grace stylus is still probably in good useable condition. It is a time to learn that is not 'magic' or 'mystery' as some people wish to promote, around the set up and use of cartridges and turntables.. (such as promulgated by the "Linnites" as an example), and that with common sense it is something that most people can understand the basics of quickly.. even with suspended sub chassis turntables. The issues of record condition, vinyl composition, % recycle in the vinyl, stylus profile, diamond grain orientation etc, etc, are all dicussions that can all follow later... just get started first. Over the years I have seen many people detered from experiencing the joys of vinyl playback due to enthusiasts 'complicating' the situation too soon, and it doesn't need be that way. The more people we can encourage into, or back into, the current Vinyl 'resurgence' the better to ensure a good ongoing future for the medium. Unfortunately, this is unlikley to ever happen with cassettes :o{. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles One relevant comment for all on stylus wear: Just because the stylus only has 100 hours use does NOT mean it's in good shape. If you purchased it new and put the use on it you know what condition your records are in and are probably OK. If not, after spending 25 years looking at client's styli under a microscope, I can tell you that you have no idea of the condition. Dust in record grooves is microscopic gravel and will wear a diamond stylus at an amazingly fast rate. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Oct 10 18:15:31 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 08:15:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: <6A054A0CCB9D4743B255B948AF2612E6@desktop> References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <676539.72777.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6A054A0CCB9D4743B255B948AF2612E6@desktop> Message-ID: Well put and absolutely correct. My apologies for trying to be too precise with an answer. I still thoroughly enjoy my vinyl and will continue to. Before you abandon cassettes, though, I think they still have several good years left ;-} Willy On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Martin Short wrote: > Well, I guess as I made that statement, I need to clarify.........without > wishing to start a flame war!!.. > > Of course Willy is correct in absolute terms for the reasons stated. As an > analogy, running your Jeep off-road all the time is always going to wear it > out one helluva lot faster than a life on tarmac... and only the user can > 'appreciate' the condition of his/her records etc. Also, one miss-cue can > irrepairably damage your cartridge.. as happened to one of my customer's > many years ago.. a zero hours moving coil... ouch... > > However, in this case we have a forum member wishing to come to grips with > vinyl play, who is aware of the approximate playing time to date of a good > cartridge owned from new, used on what I assumed to be good condition LP's. > My aim here was to help and encourage, not to start 'complicating' the > issue, and lets face it, chances are that Grace stylus is still probably in > good useable condition. It is a time to learn that is not 'magic' or > 'mystery' as some people wish to promote, around the set up and use of > cartridges and turntables.. (such as promulgated by the "Linnites" as an > example), and that with common sense it is something that most people can > understand the basics of quickly.. even with suspended sub chassis > turntables. > > The issues of record condition, vinyl composition, % recycle in the vinyl, > stylus profile, diamond grain orientation etc, etc, are all dicussions that > can all follow later... just get started first. > > Over the years I have seen many people detered from experiencing the joys > of vinyl playback due to enthusiasts 'complicating' the situation too soon, > and it doesn't need be that way. The more people we can encourage into, or > back into, the current Vinyl 'resurgence' the better to ensure a good > ongoing future for the medium. Unfortunately, this is unlikley to ever > happen with cassettes :o{. > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Willy Hermann > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Saturday, October 09, 2010 5:16 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles > > One relevant comment for all on stylus wear: Just because the stylus only > has 100 hours use does NOT mean it's in good shape. If you purchased it new > and put the use on it you know what condition your records are in and are > probably OK. If not, after spending 25 years looking at > client's styli under a microscope, I can tell you that you have no idea of > the condition. Dust in record grooves is microscopic gravel and will wear a > diamond stylus at an amazingly fast rate. > > Willy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 9 21:14:41 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:14:41 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Guy said: "and the 5th installation worked perfectly)." Now that sounds familiar. Wish my spousal unit would say "go for it". Then I could quit hiding stuff in my car. I've decided to attempt a cartridge/stylus replacement. But first the queue must be emptied: pre-amp, 581, amp (just developed a hum when powered on) and sub-woofer. Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 10 03:29:57 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:29:57 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: You guys have been a great help. Sure hope I didn't start a flame war (hangs head in shame). FWIW the TT sounds pretty good now that the right channel is working on my pre-amp (huge diff with 2 full channels). Too bad my head amp died a week ago. I do have some of those awful records that were dragged along behind the truck but only play them on the Webcor with the penny on the arm. :-) Now where is that thing? Thanks one and all, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Cheryl, since you've got the zeroing down, and the stylus force is therefore calibrated, you probably have cantilever suspension failure. It lost its spring tension -- really a common problem. There's no cure other than to replace the stylus assembly. There are basically six things that have to be adjusted once a new stylus is installed. It will break in over the first few weeks, so the item that I've starred (*) will need to be readjusted. 1. stylus force 2. anti-skate 3. overhang 4. tangency (best null) 5. azimuth 6. vertical tracking angle* Items 3 and 4 are interactive. You can learn about all these adjustments at the Vinyl Engine. Pay particular attention to keeping the diamond clean. Even the least little bit of contamination will ruin the sound. Enjoy your music! Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: I did zero it first. The Denon user's manual has very good instructions for zeroing the tonearm and setting the anti-skate. But I'm not adverse to doing it again just to make sure if the spouse leaves the house for a while.. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:15 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Cheryl, the problem about adjusting an arm is that before the force can be set, the arm must be ZEROED. Many people overlook the zeroing phase, and as a result the stylus force adjustment winds up being arbitrary. There are numerous tutorials online about adjustment an arm. For example, here -- http://www.vinylengine.com/ That aside, if you graph the distortion of a cartridge versus stylus force, you will find that inadequate stylus force mainly causes ugly distortion of the high frequencies. * * * * * Cantilever failure (sag) is very common. This is caused by a failing internal spring inside the stylus assembly. When this occurs, even at the correct tracking force the cartridge body will practically drag on the record (or in some cases it will drag on the record.) When this happens, you need to replace the stylus. Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Oct 10 05:42:39 2010 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 03:42:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: <6A054A0CCB9D4743B255B948AF2612E6@desktop> References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0><676539.72777.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <6A054A0CCB9D4743B255B948AF2612E6@desktop> Message-ID: Hello folks, Also...& for me much more important is to look forward for the "Damping/Cantilever fatiguing" syndrome, which per example in Terra Santa...Israel, where I live it's much more important that in a cool European area!. If all of you will clean, well the record before listen it...stylus/needle wear...will be much less important...of course...of course IF...IF...the cartridge is mount in a matched good tone arm!. Peace, ALEX! From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:16:25 +1300 Well, I guess as I made that statement, I need to clarify.........without wishing to start a flame war!!.. Of course Willy is correct in absolute terms for the reasons stated. As an analogy, running your Jeep off-road all the time is always going to wear it out one helluva lot faster than a life on tarmac... and only the user can 'appreciate' the condition of his/her records etc. Also, one miss-cue can irrepairably damage your cartridge.. as happened to one of my customer's many years ago.. a zero hours moving coil... ouch... However, in this case we have a forum member wishing to come to grips with vinyl play, who is aware of the approximate playing time to date of a good cartridge owned from new, used on what I assumed to be good condition LP's. My aim here was to help and encourage, not to start 'complicating' the issue, and lets face it, chances are that Grace stylus is still probably in good useable condition. It is a time to learn that is not 'magic' or 'mystery' as some people wish to promote, around the set up and use of cartridges and turntables.. (such as promulgated by the "Linnites" as an example), and that with common sense it is something that most people can understand the basics of quickly.. even with suspended sub chassis turntables. The issues of record condition, vinyl composition, % recycle in the vinyl, stylus profile, diamond grain orientation etc, etc, are all dicussions that can all follow later... just get started first. Over the years I have seen many people detered from experiencing the joys of vinyl playback due to enthusiasts 'complicating' the situation too soon, and it doesn't need be that way. The more people we can encourage into, or back into, the current Vinyl 'resurgence' the better to ensure a good ongoing future for the medium. Unfortunately, this is unlikley to ever happen with cassettes :o{. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles One relevant comment for all on stylus wear: Just because the stylus only has 100 hours use does NOT mean it's in good shape. If you purchased it new and put the use on it you know what condition your records are in and are probably OK. If not, after spending 25 years looking at client's styli under a microscope, I can tell you that you have no idea of the condition. Dust in record grooves is microscopic gravel and will wear a diamond stylus at an amazingly fast rate. Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 17:18:28 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <604585.88459.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chreyl. What head-amp are (were) you using? Bala ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 9:29:57 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles You guys have been a great help. Sure hope I didn’t start a flame war (hangs head in shame). FWIW the TT sounds pretty good now that the right channel is working on my pre-amp (huge diff with 2 full channels). Too bad my head amp died a week ago. I do have some of those awful records that were dragged along behind the truck but only play them on the Webcor with the penny on the arm. JNow where is that thing? Thanks one and all, Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Cheryl, since you've got the zeroing down, and the stylus force is therefore calibrated, you probably have cantilever suspension failure. It lost its spring tension -- really a common problem. There's no cure other than to replace the stylus assembly. There are basically six things that have to be adjusted once a new stylus is installed. It will break in over the first few weeks, so the item that I've starred (*) will need to be readjusted. 1. stylus force 2. anti-skate 3. overhang 4. tangency (best null) 5. azimuth 6. vertical tracking angle* Items 3 and 4 are interactive. You can learn about all these adjustments at the Vinyl Engine. Pay particular attention to keeping the diamond clean. Even the least little bit of contamination will ruin the sound. Enjoy your music! Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave. , Ste's E and F San Diego , CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: I did zero it first. The Denon user’s manual has very good instructions for zeroing the tonearm and setting the anti-skate. But I’m not adverse to doing it again just to make sure if the spouse leaves the house for a while…. ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:15 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Cheryl, the problem about adjusting an arm is that before the force can be set, the arm must be ZEROED. Many people overlook the zeroing phase, and as a result the stylus force adjustment winds up being arbitrary. There are numerous tutorials online about adjustment an arm. For example, here -- http://www.vinylengine.com/ That aside, if you graph the distortion of a cartridge versus stylus force, you will find that inadequate stylus force mainly causes ugly distortion of the high frequencies. * * * * * Cantilever failure (sag) is very common. This is caused by a failing internal spring inside the stylus assembly. When this occurs, even at the correct tracking force the cartridge body will practically drag on the record (or in some cases it will drag on the record.) When this happens, you need to replace the stylus. Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave. , Ste's E and F San Diego , CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As for using an oscilloscope, there will be a point in the signal path before which the noise is not present and after which it is -- and that will identify the STAGE where the problem lies. Then you need to isolate it down to a component, or shotgun a population of components. However, before doing all this, I would clean the user-accessible switches and controls with Caig DeoxIT D5. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: > Hey Luis, > > I finally replaced all the orange caps but this didn't change the noisy > almost-dead right channel. Echh. I haven't had the time to swap out the > leads on the head yet. Any other ideas? > > To refresh, the right channel is 95% hiss and 5% signal. > > Thanks, > Jonathan > > *Jonathan Tuttle > *DogTime Media > 415.830.9310 > *http://dogtime.com > http://dogtimemedia.com* > * > **Check out our newest Facebook app!* > *http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/* > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any other ideas? > > To refresh, the right channel is 95% hiss and 5% signal. > > Thanks, > Jonathan > > Jonathan Tuttle > DogTime Media > 415.830.9310 > http://dogtime.com > http://dogtimemedia.com > > Check out our newest Facebook app! > http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 11 19:27:08 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:27:08 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles In-Reply-To: <604585.88459.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001001cb65fb$197696b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <604585.88459.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bala, I bought most of my gear from Shimek's Audio in Anchorage, AK. One of the guys there was really into building electronic devices. He was building head amps for customers and I bought one. It's just an ugly little homemade-looking grey metal box with felt pen markings and it runs off of 9V batteries. It worked great in its day and was extremely transparent. It's time to replace it but it was fun while it lasted: People would look at the nice-looking gear with the ugly metal box with the felt pen markings. The conversations were pretty funny: Them: "Ugh, what's that?" Me: "It's a head amp." Them: "Is it for stoners?" Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 5:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles Chreyl. What head-amp are (were) you using? Bala _____ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 9:29:57 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stylus question for you audiophiles You guys have been a great help. Sure hope I didn't start a flame war (hangs head in shame). FWIW the TT sounds pretty good now that the right channel is working on my pre-amp (huge diff with 2 full channels). Too bad my head amp died a week ago. I do have some of those awful records that were dragged along behind the truck but only play them on the Webcor with the penny on the arm. :-) Now where is that thing? Thanks one and all, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 11 19:29:17 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:29:17 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And I swapped the Dolby chips on my 581. No change and right channel still dead with Dolby ON. Mouser hasn't shipped the caps due to a backorder. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Tuttle Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 6:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Hey Luis, I finally replaced all the orange caps but this didn't change the noisy almost-dead right channel. Echh. I haven't had the time to swap out the leads on the head yet. Any other ideas? To refresh, the right channel is 95% hiss and 5% signal. Thanks, Jonathan Jonathan Tuttle DogTime Media 415.830.9310 http://dogtime.com http://dogtimemedia.com Check out our newest Facebook app! http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Mon Oct 11 19:47:04 2010 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:47:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 10/11/10 EXTENDED ! 80034-D5 Factory Kits ON SALE ! $26.95 In-Reply-To: <4C787EA7.60100@marrscom.com> References: <4C787EA7.60100@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <4CB34D98.6020509@marrscom.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan at dogtime.com Mon Oct 11 20:07:21 2010 From: jonathan at dogtime.com (Jonathan Tuttle) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:07:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: <001201cb6967$0e523e50$2af6baf0$@utah.edu> References: <001201cb6967$0e523e50$2af6baf0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <7496E6BA-CF68-4C83-9C8B-19C13458556F@dogtime.com> Yeah, seems like that's it to me too. Dang, those heads are impossible to source. I may be parting this guy out. On Oct 11, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Sounds to me like the play back head is bad. Try swapping the heads leads at the connector. > > Vic > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Tuttle > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:45 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems > > Hey Luis, > > I finally replaced all the orange caps but this didn't change the noisy almost-dead right channel. Echh. I haven't had the time to swap out the leads on the head yet. Any other ideas? > > To refresh, the right channel is 95% hiss and 5% signal. > > Thanks, > Jonathan > > Jonathan Tuttle > DogTime Media > 415.830.9310 > http://dogtime.com > http://dogtimemedia.com > > Check out our newest Facebook app! > http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Jonathan Tuttle DogTime Media 415.830.9310 http://dogtime.com http://dogtimemedia.com Check out our newest Facebook app! http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 22:11:29 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Revox H11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85104.74618.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had this deck for some years and decided to finally give it a serious listen. I hooked it up and finally gave it the time I think it deserved. The H11 is a very smooth operating deck made by Revox in the 90s and part of their H series. Aside from the very nice cosmetics, what interested me was the performance. Compared to a 680ZX, it has a little more detail and sounded much more smoother. The 680ZX sounded very crisp, while the H11 managed a much more smoother presentation without sacrificing the detail. the sound-stage was wide and deep. The overall presentation seemed to lack a little drive at low volume levels. Turning up the volume though produced a little more kick and the H11 pulled of drum solos which more gusto then it initially seemed capable of. Hopefully I get more time to compare this baby with other Naks to see how it stacks up. While not Revox's best effort, this unit certainly is worthy of their name. It has a great sound and pretty good looks to match. Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Oct 11 22:57:17 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:57:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm out of suggestions. There's not much different between Dolby and non-Dolby. The signal processes through the chips either way. Did you check continuity for all the Dolby switch contact in each of the three positions? Willy On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > And I swapped the Dolby chips on my 581. No change and right channel > still dead with Dolby ON. > > Mouser hasn’t shipped the caps due to a backorder. > > > > Cheryl > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Jonathan Tuttle > *Sent:* Monday, October 11, 2010 6:45 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems > > > > Hey Luis, > > > > I finally replaced all the orange caps but this didn't change the noisy > almost-dead right channel. Echh. I haven't had the time to swap out the > leads on the head yet. Any other ideas? > > > > To refresh, the right channel is 95% hiss and 5% signal. > > > > Thanks, > > Jonathan > > > > *Jonathan Tuttle > *DogTime Media > 415.830.9310 > *http://dogtime.com > http://dogtimemedia.com* > > * > **Check out our newest Facebook app!* > > http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Oct 12 03:28:00 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Revox H11 In-Reply-To: <85104.74618.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <85104.74618.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <788579.7337.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You seem to make a lot of comparsion with the 680ZX only. Are you having an impression that the Revox H11 definitely sounds inferior to the ZXLs? Mike ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 3:11:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Revox H11 I had this deck for some years and decided to finally give it a serious listen. I hooked it up and finally gave it the time I think it deserved.  The H11 is a very smooth operating deck made by Revox in the 90s and part of their H series. Aside from the very nice cosmetics, what interested me was the performance. Compared to a 680ZX, it has a little more detail and sounded much more smoother. The 680ZX sounded very crisp, while the H11 managed a much more smoother presentation without sacrificing the detail. the sound-stage was wide and deep. The overall presentation seemed to lack a little drive at low volume levels. Turning up the volume though produced a little more kick and the H11 pulled of drum solos which more gusto then it initially seemed capable of. Hopefully I get more time to compare this baby with other Naks to see how it stacks up. While not Revox's best effort, this unit certainly is worthy of their name. It has a great sound and pretty good looks to match. Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 04:47:32 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <360188.42126.qm@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Seems like a dead playback head right channel. It can happen! I had two such heads from two different 700ZXLs. Could not believe it. Ram. --- On Mon, 10/11/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 4:57 PM I'm out of suggestions.  There's not much different between Dolby and non-Dolby.  The signal processes through the chips either way.  Did you check continuity for all the Dolby switch contact in each of the three positions?   Willy On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: And I swapped the Dolby chips on my 581. No change and right channel still dead with Dolby ON. Mouser hasn’t shipped the caps due to a backorder.   Cheryl   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Tuttle Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 6:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems   Hey Luis,   I finally replaced all the orange caps but this didn't change the noisy almost-dead right channel. Echh. I haven't had the time to swap out the leads on the head yet. Any other ideas?   To refresh, the right channel is 95% hiss and 5% signal.   Thanks, Jonathan   Jonathan Tuttle DogTime Media 415.830.9310 http://dogtime.com http://dogtimemedia.com Check out our newest Facebook app! http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/   ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 06:46:57 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Revox H11 In-Reply-To: <788579.7337.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <85104.74618.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <788579.7337.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <298133.12039.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> " Hopefully I get more time to compare this baby with other Naks to see how it stacks up." Bala ________________________________ From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 9:28:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox H11 You seem to make a lot of comparsion with the 680ZX only. Are you having an impression that the Revox H11 definitely sounds inferior to the ZXLs? Mike ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 3:11:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Revox H11 I had this deck for some years and decided to finally give it a serious listen. I hooked it up and finally gave it the time I think it deserved. The H11 is a very smooth operating deck made by Revox in the 90s and part of their H series. Aside from the very nice cosmetics, what interested me was the performance. Compared to a 680ZX, it has a little more detail and sounded much more smoother. The 680ZX sounded very crisp, while the H11 managed a much more smoother presentation without sacrificing the detail. the sound-stage was wide and deep. The overall presentation seemed to lack a little drive at low volume levels. Turning up the volume though produced a little more kick and the H11 pulled of drum solos which more gusto then it initially seemed capable of. Hopefully I get more time to compare this baby with other Naks to see how it stacks up. While not Revox's best effort, this unit certainly is worthy of their name. It has a great sound and pretty good looks to match. Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 11 20:59:10 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:59:10 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fred, at your suggestion a while back I ordered some Caig Deoxit. It works great! And it doesn't give me a headache like contact cleaner. ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:19 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems If this were on my service bench, I would take the manual and an oscilloscope and follow the signal path from the tape head to the OUTPUT jacks. Somewhere in there a component is failing. I have never seen a case where the head caused high amplitude noise. Also, when you solder on a head you MUST demagnetize it afterward. I would bet that a semiconductor (transistor, IC) or electrolytic capacitor in the signal path is failing. Occasionally, a switch with highly oxidized contacts will become a noise source. As for using an oscilloscope, there will be a point in the signal path before which the noise is not present and after which it is -- and that will identify the STAGE where the problem lies. Then you need to isolate it down to a component, or shotgun a population of components. However, before doing all this, I would clean the user-accessible switches and controls with Caig DeoxIT D5. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan at dogtime.com Mon Oct 11 21:03:32 2010 From: jonathan at dogtime.com (Jonathan Tuttle) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:03:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6921C665-E920-4E03-98D6-99B12E82D920@dogtime.com> Hi Fred, Thanks for the next step. I don't have an oscilloscope, but I have used a probe hooked up to a little amp/speaker to trace signal. Think that approach would work here? I'm always scared of high voltage (I have lots of tube gear) but it doesn't seem like there's any in this Nak. FYI I've cleaned all the switches and pots already -- since it's such a common issue and it's easy I usually do it first! Jonathan On Oct 11, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Fred Longworth wrote: > If this were on my service bench, I would take the manual and an oscilloscope and follow the signal path from the tape head to the OUTPUT jacks. > > Somewhere in there a component is failing. I have never seen a case where the head caused high amplitude noise. Also, when you solder on a head you MUST demagnetize it afterward. > > I would bet that a semiconductor (transistor, IC) or electrolytic capacitor in the signal path is failing. Occasionally, a switch with highly oxidized contacts will become a noise source. > > As for using an oscilloscope, there will be a point in the signal path before which the noise is not present and after which it is -- and that will identify the STAGE where the problem lies. Then you need to isolate it down to a component, or shotgun a population of components. > > However, before doing all this, I would clean the user-accessible switches and controls with Caig DeoxIT D5. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: > Hey Luis, > > I finally replaced all the orange caps but this didn't change the noisy almost-dead right channel. Echh. I haven't had the time to swap out the leads on the head yet. Any other ideas? > > To refresh, the right channel is 95% hiss and 5% signal. > > Thanks, > Jonathan > > Jonathan Tuttle > DogTime Media > 415.830.9310 > http://dogtime.com > http://dogtimemedia.com > > Check out our newest Facebook app! > http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Jonathan Tuttle DogTime Media 415.830.9310 http://dogtime.com http://dogtimemedia.com Check out our newest Facebook app! http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Tue Oct 12 00:46:08 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:46:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox H11 In-Reply-To: <85104.74618.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <85104.74618.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0LA500JE9DWT3Z10@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> How does the B215 compare to the 680Z if you have knowledge? At 04:11 PM 10/11/2010, you wrote: >I had this deck for some years and decided to finally give it a >serious listen. I hooked it up and finally gave it the time I think >it deserved. The H11 is a very smooth operating deck made by Revox >in the 90s and part of their H series. Aside from the very nice >cosmetics, what interested me was the performance. Compared to a >680ZX, it has a little more detail and sounded much more smoother. >The 680ZX sounded very crisp, while the H11 managed a much more >smoother presentation without sacrificing the detail. the >sound-stage was wide and deep. The overall presentation seemed to >lack a little drive at low volume levels. Turning up the volume >though produced a little more kick and the H11 pulled of drum solos >which more gusto then it initially seemed capable of. Hopefully I >get more time to compare this baby with other Naks to see how it stacks up. > >While not Revox's best effort, this unit certainly is worthy of >their name. It has a great sound and pretty good looks to match. > >Bala > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 02:19:25 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <35177.69112.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jonathan ; I assume you checked the little carbon trimmer for the right channel on the circuit board for corrosion , dirt, or solder joint.  If so it could also be a bad head lead wire or solder joint .    Thomas. --- On Mon, 10/11/10, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: From: Jonathan Tuttle Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:44 PM Hey Luis, I finally replaced all the orange caps but this didn't change the noisy almost-dead right channel. Echh. I haven't had the time to swap out the leads on the head yet. Any other ideas? To refresh, the right channel is 95% hiss and 5% signal. 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Thanks, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems I'm out of suggestions. There's not much different between Dolby and non-Dolby. The signal processes through the chips either way. Did you check continuity for all the Dolby switch contact in each of the three positions? Willy On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 12 06:11:04 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:11:04 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: <360188.42126.qm@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <360188.42126.qm@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ram, On my 581 both channels work fine with Dolby OUT so it is not the PB head. But with either Dolby ON or MPX the right channel disappears. Checking the Dolby switch tomorrow. On Jonathan's 581 he has a right channel problem regardless of whether or not Dolby is ON, so the PB head is a possible failure candidate on his machine. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 4:48 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Seems like a dead playback head right channel. It can happen! I had two such heads from two different 700ZXLs. Could not believe it. Ram. --- On Mon, 10/11/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 4:57 PM I'm out of suggestions. There's not much different between Dolby and non-Dolby. The signal processes through the chips either way. Did you check continuity for all the Dolby switch contact in each of the three positions? Willy On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: And I swapped the Dolby chips on my 581. No change and right channel still dead with Dolby ON. Mouser hasn't shipped the caps due to a backorder. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Tuttle Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 6:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Hey Luis, I finally replaced all the orange caps but this didn't change the noisy almost-dead right channel. Echh. I haven't had the time to swap out the leads on the head yet. Any other ideas? To refresh, the right channel is 95% hiss and 5% signal. 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URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Tue Oct 12 14:11:47 2010 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:11:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon in WSJ Message-ID: <201010121213.o9CCC1sw028019@zxe.naks.com> Did anyone happen to see the article about the Nak Dragon in the Oct 10/11 Wall Street Journal weekend edition? I saw reference to it, but not the article itself and will track it down if worth it - Rob From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 15:59:21 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <419878.38648.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > If this were on my service bench, I would take the manual and an oscilloscope > and follow the signal path from the tape head to the OUTPUT jacks. Bravo! Finally, a voice of reason. -- Ron --- On Mon, 10/11/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 2:18 PM If this were on my service bench, I would take the manual and an oscilloscope and follow the signal path from the tape head to the OUTPUT jacks. Somewhere in there a component is failing. I have never seen a case where the head caused high amplitude noise. Also, when you solder on a head you MUST demagnetize it afterward. I would bet that a semiconductor (transistor, IC) or electrolytic capacitor in the signal path is failing. Occasionally, a switch with highly oxidized contacts will become a noise source. As for using an oscilloscope, there will be a point in the signal path before which the noise is not present and after which it is -- and that will identify the STAGE where the problem lies. Then you need to isolate it down to a component, or shotgun a population of components. However, before doing all this, I would clean the user-accessible switches and controls with Caig DeoxIT D5. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: Hey Luis, I finally replaced all the orange caps but this didn't change the noisy almost-dead right channel. Echh. I haven't had the time to swap out the leads on the head yet. Any other ideas? To refresh, the right channel is 95% hiss and 5% signal. 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I saw reference to it, but not the > article itself and will track it down if worth it - > > Rob > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan at dogtime.com Tue Oct 12 18:53:01 2010 From: jonathan at dogtime.com (Jonathan Tuttle) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:53:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: <35177.69112.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <35177.69112.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll do that this weekend! Thanks. On Oct 11, 2010, at 5:19 PM, thomas wrote: > Hi Jonathan ; I assume you checked the little carbon trimmer for the right channel on the circuit board for corrosion , dirt, or solder joint. If so it could also be a bad head lead wire or solder joint . Thomas. > > --- On Mon, 10/11/10, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: > > From: Jonathan Tuttle > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:44 PM > > Hey Luis, > > I finally replaced all the orange caps but this didn't change the noisy almost-dead right channel. Echh. I haven't had the time to swap out the leads on the head yet. 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URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 07:04:43 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 05:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Revox H11 (B215 vs 680zx) Message-ID: <2017635687.340381.1286946283772.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I just co-incidentally have 2 680zxs and 2 B215s, one of each on the same system. On both of the Naks I've replaced all orange caps, and all new rubber, fully aligned and calibrated, and both B215s with all electrolytics replaced, also fully aligned and calibrated. In addition, on the Revoxs, I replaced all the old 1405X and 4066 switch ICs with higher performance, lower resistance, lower distortion HC405X and 4066 versions, as the noise floor and harmonic distortion on those old chips is pretty bad. Both decks of both makes compare very very close to each other in sound and performance. As far as recording goes, in general, the B215 has it all over the 680zx, due to the availability of Dolby C, HX-pro and Revox's excellent 3 frequency auto cal, regardless of the ZX azimuth adjust on the record head. The only real exception to this is that the bass below about 50Hz is less linear and less defined on the B215 compared to the 680zx. The Revox heads (Sony or Matsatushi supplied) can't compare to the superior Nak heads. But the transport W&F, EQ, and bias are just outstanding on the Revox. It is so flat from 45Hz to 20kHz at -20db, it's scary, with about any tape you throw at it. It bobbles a bit, maybe 3-4 db from 20-45Hz, so still no slouch. The 680zx is almost as good, within a db or 2 at most, well within spec, but at 0db recording it falters faster than the B215, and it really is a PITA to set bias correctly for different tapes. The 680Zx has a richer, more dimensional sound on playback of pre-recorded tapes in Dolby B. I have many duplicate pre-recorded tapes and have both decks on the same secondary system. I love starting both tapes at the same time and switching between them for direct comparison. Without a doubt, the 680ZX sounds better in that mode of use, though it's noise floor is a audibly higher. ( My Dragons, ZX-7s, CD One, BX-300 and even RX-505s all have lower noise floors than the B215 though.) I find the lack of an output level control on the B215 irritating, as it makes it harder to set the two levels identical. I throw a T-100 on the aux outputs and adjust both to match each others levels with a 400hz level tape. They are close enough, that if one is set just a bit louder, it can sound better than the other. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The 215 also lacks the extended bass response of the 680ZX. Tapes made on each deck do not playback well on the other decks, so the only way to go was to make the same recordings on the same tape type on each decks. With a medium like cassette, the subtle effects of the 215 make it sound smooth and nice. But close your eyes and you know you are listening to a cassette deck, a very good one. With the 680ZX's bold strokes, close your eyes and you could almost forgive yourself for forgetting it was just tape. The 215 is a solid built machine with direct drive capstans and a massive cast frame. The assembly is very tidy and worthy of the Studer-Revox name. What surprises me is why they put a cheesy looking LCD screen on a good deck. The meters that they had on the B77 (or PR99) would have been perfect on this baby. The 680ZX has been well engineered although it has a typical built for a Japanese casette deck. It is a little tidier then the rat's nest of an Aiwa but I suspect that had layout been better, Nakamichi maybe able to eke out more performance out of the 680ZX. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: Roland To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 6:46:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox H11 How does the B215 compare to the 680Z if you have knowledge? At 04:11 PM 10/11/2010, you wrote: > I had this deck for some years and decided to finally give it a serious listen. >I hooked it up and finally gave it the time I think it deserved. The H11 is a >very smooth operating deck made by Revox in the 90s and part of their H series. >Aside from the very nice cosmetics, what interested me was the performance. >Compared to a 680ZX, it has a little more detail and sounded much more smoother. >The 680ZX sounded very crisp, while the H11 managed a much more smoother >presentation without sacrificing the detail. the sound-stage was wide and deep. >The overall presentation seemed to lack a little drive at low volume levels. >Turning up the volume though produced a little more kick and the H11 pulled of >drum solos which more gusto then it initially seemed capable of. Hopefully I get >more time to compare this baby with other Naks to see how it stacks up. > > While not Revox's best effort, this unit certainly is worthy of their name. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 03:30:48 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:30:48 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Manuals In-Reply-To: References: <35177.69112.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I purchased a CD with Nak Owner and Service Manuals. It has a lot of manuals that aren't on the NakTalk Wiki. Don't know how to upload them to the Wiki but would be happy to email manuals to anyone in need of such. Aloha, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:39:36 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:39:36 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon in WSJ In-Reply-To: References: <201010121213.o9CCC1sw028019@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I bought an ION VCR digitizer. Worst thing I ever purchased in my life. The tape tracking had to be the most pathetic tracking on the planet. A $39 WalMart VCR would be a huge improvement. Tapes that tracked fine on 2 ancient VCR's were barely viewable on the ION. Some tapes weren't viewable at all on this piece of junk. Should have bought software and hooked the regular VCR up to the PC. It was SOOOOO bad that after about 10 tapes I ended up hooking up one of our ancient VCR's to the inputs on the ION and digitizing from the old deck. Those digital copies turned out much better. The ION had VIDEO and MONO IN (no stereo). The SW was just okay and the direct USB hookup was nice - but that's it. I didn't have even moderate expectations but this unit was complete garbage and if I lived elsewhere it would have been returned. Will never purchase another ION product-ever. It's sacrilege that they would put a Dragon in an ad with an ION. UGH! ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon in WSJ You may be talking about a reference to the Dragon as the "Rolls-Royce of tape decks" in The Fixer's article about modernizing the mixtape in the Gear and Gadgets section. The article was mostly a hype for the ION Tape Express as a means of digitizing your cassettes. Kevin didn't even mention the idea that cassettes might actually sound better than a digital rendition! Not surprising, I guess, but sad none the less. I'd write comments to him if I thought it would make any difference. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Oct 13 10:18:08 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:18:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Manuals In-Reply-To: References: <35177.69112.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Cheryl, You can send them to me (wheijke at xs4all.nl) and I will put them on the wiki page. Wouter > I purchased a CD with Nak Owner and Service Manuals. It has a lot of > manuals > that aren't on the NakTalk Wiki. > > > > Don't know how to upload them to the Wiki but would be happy to email > manuals to anyone in need of such. > > > > Aloha, > > Cheryl From lenaw at flash.net Wed Oct 13 12:42:27 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Revox H11 (B215 vs 680zx) In-Reply-To: <2017635687.340381.1286946283772.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <2017635687.340381.1286946283772.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <955042.25532.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Excellent Writing. Thanks very much. Mike ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 12:04:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] Revox H11 (B215 vs 680zx) I just co-incidentally have 2 680zxs and 2 B215s,  one of each on the same system.  On both of the Naks I've replaced all orange caps, and all new rubber, fully aligned and calibrated, and both B215s with all electrolytics replaced, also fully aligned and calibrated. In addition, on the Revoxs, I replaced all the old 1405X and 4066 switch ICs with higher performance, lower resistance, lower distortion HC405X and 4066 versions, as the noise floor and harmonic distortion on those old chips is pretty bad. Both decks of both makes compare very very close to each other in sound and performance.  As far as recording goes, in general, the B215 has it all over the 680zx, due to the availability of Dolby C, HX-pro  and Revox's excellent 3 frequency auto cal, regardless of the ZX azimuth adjust on the record head. The only real exception to this is that the bass below about 50Hz is less linear and less defined on the B215 compared to the 680zx. The Revox heads (Sony or Matsatushi supplied) can't compare to the superior Nak heads. But the transport W&F, EQ, and bias are just outstanding on the Revox.  It is so flat from 45Hz to 20kHz at -20db, it's scary, with about any tape you throw at it. It bobbles a bit, maybe 3-4 db from 20-45Hz, so still no slouch. The 680zx is almost as good, within a db or 2 at most, well within spec, but at 0db recording it falters faster than the B215, and it really is a PITA to set bias correctly for different tapes.  The 680Zx has a richer, more dimensional sound on playback of pre-recorded tapes in Dolby B. I have many duplicate pre-recorded tapes and have both decks on the same secondary system.  I love starting both tapes at the same time and switching between them for direct comparison. Without a doubt, the 680ZX sounds better in that mode of use, though it's noise floor is a audibly higher. ( My Dragons, ZX-7s, CD One, BX-300 and even RX-505s all have lower noise floors than the B215 though.) I find the lack of an output level control on the B215 irritating, as it makes it harder to set the two levels identical. I throw a T-100 on the aux outputs and adjust both to match each others levels with a 400hz level tape.  They are close enough, that if one is set just a bit louder, it can sound better than the other.   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Oct 13 12:05:17 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:05:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon in WSJ In-Reply-To: References: <201010121213.o9CCC1sw028019@zxe.naks.com> , Message-ID: I have an Ion turntable which is actually pretty good. Of course I traded out the $5 cartridge with a $400 cart, so that might have something to do with it. :) ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp [kaupp240 at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:39 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon in WSJ I bought an ION VCR digitizer. Worst thing I ever purchased in my life. The tape tracking had to be the most pathetic tracking on the planet. A $39 WalMart VCR would be a huge improvement. Tapes that tracked fine on 2 ancient VCR’s were barely viewable on the ION. Some tapes weren’t viewable at all on this piece of junk. Should have bought software and hooked the regular VCR up to the PC. It was SOOOOO bad that after about 10 tapes I ended up hooking up one of our ancient VCR’s to the inputs on the ION and digitizing from the old deck. Those digital copies turned out much better. The ION had VIDEO and MONO IN (no stereo). The SW was just okay and the direct USB hookup was nice – but that’s it. I didn’t have even moderate expectations but this unit was complete garbage and if I lived elsewhere it would have been returned. Will never purchase another ION product—ever. It’s sacrilege that they would put a Dragon in an ad with an ION. UGH! ck ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon in WSJ You may be talking about a reference to the Dragon as the "Rolls-Royce of tape decks" in The Fixer's article about modernizing the mixtape in the Gear and Gadgets section. The article was mostly a hype for the ION Tape Express as a means of digitizing your cassettes. Kevin didn't even mention the idea that cassettes might actually sound better than a digital rendition! Not surprising, I guess, but sad none the less. I'd write comments to him if I thought it would make any difference. Willy From tr463rsb at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 14:36:31 2010 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:36:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon in WSJ Message-ID: <201010131238.o9DCal38032764@zxe.naks.com> Thanks Willy - I thought it might be something else. Its not often that you see the Dragon mentioned at all, but at least it was mentioned, tho not for the reasons we would like. Who knows, maybe they would write a story about it someday? The WSJ is getting bigger by the minute and they need to fill space :-) Rob ============================= Message: 4 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:52:06 -0800 From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon in WSJ To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You may be talking about a reference to the Dragon as the "Rolls-Royce of tape decks" in The Fixer's article about modernizing the mixtape in the Gear and Gadgets section. The article was mostly a hype for the ION Tape Express as a means of digitizing your cassettes. Kevin didn't even mention the idea that cassettes might actually sound better than a digital rendition! Not surprising, I guess, but sad none the less. I'd write comments to him if I thought it would make any difference. Willy On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:11 AM, RSB wrote: > Did anyone happen to see the article about the Nak Dragon in the Oct > 10/11 Wall Street Journal weekend edition? I saw reference to it, but > not the article itself and will track it down if worth it - > > Rob From tr463rsb at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 14:44:54 2010 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:44:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks Message-ID: <201010131246.o9DCjA7U000335@zxe.naks.com> The WSJ article references some new cassette decks actually still being made today. Good 'ol Pioneer just won't give up! Who wouda thunk. Here is an example - http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AudioCompo nents/CassettePlayers/Pioneer/ci.CT-W606DR.Kuro Rob From jfield61 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 15:42:21 2010 From: jfield61 at yahoo.com (John Fieldstadt) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <137782.2898.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's a GREAT offer Cheryl!!!  Thanks!Is there any chance that you could send me the service and owner manuals for the CR-5??Thanks again.John John Fieldstadtjfield61 at yahoo.com --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: [naktalk] Nak Manuals To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 9:30 PM I purchased a CD with Nak Owner and Service Manuals. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 16:48:48 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <796732.85101.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If you could just mail a copy of the CD to Wouter, I am sure these manuals will soon appear on the wiki page. -- Ron --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: [naktalk] Nak Manuals To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 9:30 PM I purchased a CD with Nak Owner and Service Manuals. 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 17:54:18 2010 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:54:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <201010131246.o9DCjA7U000335@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010131246.o9DCjA7U000335@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: The three most frightening words in the English language: "Double auto reverse." I wonder if, given the intervening decades since Nakamichi set the technological standard, Pioneer has caught up with the specs for even the middle of the road Nak decks. -Tim On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:44 AM, RSB wrote: > The WSJ article references some new cassette decks actually still being > made > today. Good 'ol Pioneer just won't give up! Who wouda thunk. Here is an > example - > > > http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AudioCompo > nents/CassettePlayers/Pioneer/ci.CT-W606DR.Kuro > > Rob > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 19:22:44 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:22:44 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Manuals In-Reply-To: References: <35177.69112.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are so many manuals that it would be better to try and copy the CD and then mail it to you. It would take forever to send them all via email. Send me your mailing address and I'll see if I can make a disc copy. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Manuals Hi Cheryl, You can send them to me (wheijke at xs4all.nl) and I will put them on the wiki page. Wouter From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 21:26:25 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:26:25 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Manuals In-Reply-To: <796732.85101.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <796732.85101.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well that was fun! Can't make a direct copy of the disc and one file was corrupted and would not copy. Ended up copying all the files to HDD and then breaking them into 2 separate discs. Tested them in another PC and they seem to be okay. Wouter, please send your mailing address to my email: kaupp2zcars at hotmail.com Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Manuals If you could just mail a copy of the CD to Wouter, I am sure these manuals will soon appear on the wiki page. -- Ron --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: [naktalk] Nak Manuals To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 9:30 PM I purchased a CD with Nak Owner and Service Manuals. It has a lot of manuals that aren't on the NakTalk Wiki. Don't know how to upload them to the Wiki but would be happy to email manuals to anyone in need of such. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 23:22:39 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:22:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <201010131246.o9DCjA7U000335@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010131246.o9DCjA7U000335@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I am a long-time Pioneer fan, but in my opinion, having serviced many hundreds of Pioneer cassette decks from the 1970's to the present day, I don't think Pioneer has EVER made a cassette deck with a wow-and-flutter figure measurable in the field, rather than on some spec sheet, that is even close to Nakamichi standards. Even the modest BX-1 will run circles around the most coveted Pioneer cassettes. The only competition to Nak is -- Revox, Tandberg (briefly), Aiwa (for a few years in the 1980's and 1990's). Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * *s On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, RSB wrote: > The WSJ article references some new cassette decks actually still being > made > today. Good 'ol Pioneer just won't give up! Who wouda thunk. Here is an > example - > > > http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AudioCompo > nents/CassettePlayers/Pioneer/ci.CT-W606DR.Kuro > > Rob > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bala ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 5:22:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks I am a long-time Pioneer fan, but in my opinion, having serviced many hundreds of Pioneer cassette decks from the 1970's to the present day, I don't think Pioneer has EVER made a cassette deck with a wow-and-flutter figure measurable in the field, rather than on some spec sheet, that is even close to Nakamichi standards. Even the modest BX-1 will run circles around the most coveted Pioneer cassettes. The only competition to Nak is -- Revox, Tandberg (briefly), Aiwa (for a few years in the 1980's and 1990's). Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * *s On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, RSB wrote: The WSJ article references some new cassette decks actually still being made >today. Good 'ol Pioneer just won't give up! Who wouda thunk. Here is an >example - > >http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AudioCompo >nents/CassettePlayers/Pioneer/ci.CT-W606DR.Kuro > >Rob > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 06:05:22 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <808420.16438.qm@web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Fred, Interesting observation by you. I have had the opportunity to compare the Revox B215, ( 2 units), Studer A721, Tandberg TCD 3014A with the uber Naks, but never an Aiwa or a Pioneer. I have also compared an Alpine Al90 with the aforementioned Naks and every time I have come away stunned by the Nakamichi sound! The difference is readily evident. The closest any deck came to matching the Naks ( I am talking 680zx, Cr7,Dragon, ZX9 and ZXLs) was the Tandberg followed by the STuder and then the Revox. But the Naks just outwitted the others in rec/playback by a long shot.There was just no real competition here at all! This includes recording and playback. Just my observation....don't think I need to spend time on a Pioneer or an Aiwa anymore. Do I? Ram. --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 5:22 PM I am a long-time Pioneer fan, but in my opinion, having serviced many hundreds of Pioneer cassette decks from the 1970's to the present day, I don't think Pioneer has EVER made a cassette deck with a wow-and-flutter figure measurable in the field, rather than on some spec sheet, that is even close to Nakamichi standards. Even the modest BX-1 will run circles around the most coveted Pioneer cassettes. The only competition to Nak is -- Revox, Tandberg (briefly), Aiwa (for a few years in the 1980's and 1990's). Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * *s On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, RSB wrote: The WSJ article references some new cassette decks actually still being made today.  Good 'ol Pioneer just won't give up!  Who wouda thunk.  Here is an example - http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AudioCompo nents/CassettePlayers/Pioneer/ci.CT-W606DR.Kuro Rob ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At 01:22 PM 10/13/2010, you wrote: >There are so many manuals that it would be better to try and copy the CD and >then mail it to you. It would take forever to send them all via email. > >Send me your mailing address and I'll see if I can make a disc copy. >Cheryl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Wouter Heijke >Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:18 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Manuals > >Hi Cheryl, > >You can send them to me (wheijke at xs4all.nl) and I will put them on the >wiki page. > >Wouter > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Thu Oct 14 01:46:18 2010 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:46:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: References: <201010131246.o9DCjA7U000335@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00bc01cb6b30$d5c74640$8155d2c0$@net> I was searching for tapes to go with this (and my CR-7) and ran across this: http://www.tapesandmore.com/index.php?main_page=index &cPath=195&custid=37e1bc5fd0816d0dfadffa329206ee6a Are these reasonable prices in today’s market? They seem pretty cheap to me. Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tim Skorick Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 8:54 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks The three most frightening words in the English language: "Double auto reverse." I wonder if, given the intervening decades since Nakamichi set the technological standard, Pioneer has caught up with the specs for even the middle of the road Nak decks. -Tim On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:44 AM, RSB wrote: The WSJ article references some new cassette decks actually still being made today. Good 'ol Pioneer just won't give up! Who wouda thunk. Here is an example - http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AudioCompo nents/CassettePlayers/Pioneer/ci.CT-W606DR.Kuro Rob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neiva.rogerio at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 12:50:46 2010 From: neiva.rogerio at gmail.com (Rogerio Neiva) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:50:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Wiki Page Message-ID: Hi, I own 4 Nakamichi decks (680ZX, Cassete Deck 2, ZX7 and CR2) and I am new to this community. Regarding the CD with service and owners manuals, I have read about a wiki page which I cannot find. Can someone tell me the URL ? Thank you and regards Rogério Neiva -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Oct 14 14:00:18 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Wiki Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F310BFF-840A-4EEE-9E26-30758F28D12A@peromarta.org> Hola Rogerio, You can find it here: http://www.naks.com/wiki It's at the bottom of every naktalk message. Saludos, Luis. El 14/10/2010, a las 12:50, Rogerio Neiva escribió: > Hi, I own 4 Nakamichi decks (680ZX, Cassete Deck 2, ZX7 and CR2) and I am new to this community. > > Regarding the CD with service and owners manuals, I have read about a wiki page which I cannot find. Can someone tell me the URL ? > > Thank you and regards > > Rogério Neiva -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Thu Oct 14 13:43:13 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:43:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Wiki Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0LAA00DOD382F870@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Look at the bottom of any email in Naktalk. The link is there. At 06:50 AM 10/14/2010, you wrote: >Hi, I own 4 Nakamichi decks (680ZX, Cassete Deck >2, ZX7 and CR2) and I am new to this community. > >Regarding the CD with service and owners >manuals, I have read about a wiki page which I >cannot find. Can someone tell me the URL ? > >Thank you and regards > >Rogério Neiva >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Oct 14 15:12:44 2010 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:12:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Wiki Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB701CC.9000607@univ-rennes1.fr> The link should appear at the end of each message or answer, right after "Also check out the wiki! " cheers bernard Rogerio Neiva a écrit : > Hi, I own 4 Nakamichi decks (680ZX, Cassete Deck 2, ZX7 and CR2) and I > am new to this community. > > Regarding the CD with service and owners manuals, I have read about a > wiki page which I cannot find. Can someone tell me the URL ? > > Thank you and regards > > Rogério Neiva > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 16:12:20 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <201010141016.o9EA81wx004410@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010141016.o9EA81wx004410@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <866507.73856.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hey Ram, MANY audiophiles think the Tandberg 3014A is clearly the winner over any top-end Nak, in both record and playback. I've never owned or seen one, even though someone falsely posted (as me) at Asylum that I had. It would be more than interesting to see a shoot-out between the two, both technical and subjective listening tests. Kevin Message: 12 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <808420.16438.qm at web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fred, Interesting observation by you. I have had the opportunity to compare the Revox B215, ( 2 units), Studer A721, Tandberg TCD 3014A with the uber Naks, but never an Aiwa or a Pioneer. I have also compared an Alpine Al90 with the aforementioned Naks and every time I have come away stunned by the Nakamichi sound! The difference is readily evident. The closest any deck came to matching the Naks ( I am talking 680zx, Cr7,Dragon, ZX9 and ZXLs) was the Tandberg followed by the STuder and then the Revox. But the Naks just outwitted the others in rec/playback by a long shot.There was just no real competition here at all! This includes recording and playback. Just my observation....don't think I need to spend time on a Pioneer or an Aiwa anymore. Do I? Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 18:27:09 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <599928.41426.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The SR series weren't that bad.  The tuner sucks though.  The STATIS amp is pretty good though.  Better specs and sound than the later Harmonic Convergence or whatever they called it on the Receiver series.  Sorry, Harmonic Time Alignment.  From what I've heard, few problems then the later receivers like the TA series.  The one to get is the SR-4 with the wireless remote. ________________________________ From: Philip Czekala To: "naktalk@ naks.com" Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:23:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver Hi,     Does anyone have any information they can provide about the Nakamichi SR-2A receiver? I know nothing about them. Are they good units? Are there any frequent repair issues with them etc?   Thanks,   Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 18:29:44 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <656638.46323.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One more thing about the tuner.  My friend bought a SR-3 and I wanted to compare the tuner to my 730 receiver.  The comparison was night and day.  The 730 was so much better it was ridiculous.  But the SR has a lot fewer things to go wrong in it than the 730. ________________________________ From: Philip Czekala To: "naktalk@ naks.com" Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:23:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver Hi,     Does anyone have any information they can provide about the Nakamichi SR-2A receiver? I know nothing about them. Are they good units? Are there any frequent repair issues with them etc?   Thanks,   Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Oct 14 18:41:11 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:41:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL Message-ID: <000f01cb6bbe$9c22b670$d4682350$@utah.edu> There is a 700 ZXL on E-bay. No bids! Ending tomorrow! From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Oct 14 19:02:16 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:02:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver In-Reply-To: <599928.41426.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <599928.41426.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have a TA-4 and the amp in that thing blows away any modern AV receiver you're likely to find, and many of the separates in the mid-range price level. (and of course none have phonos) I've actually gone out to try and replace it and never found anything satisfactory at a reasonable price. Scads of input, MM/MC phono, and the remote hooks up with most of the 80s decks (I have a CR5). Also can mate up a newer preamp section with the Nak amp if you need more video capability. And frankly new preamps are probably much better than the built in one. But the amp is a champ. Nothing worth listening to on the radio so I can't comment on the tuner other than it works. :) From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:27 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver The SR series weren't that bad. The tuner sucks though. The STATIS amp is pretty good though. Better specs and sound than the later Harmonic Convergence or whatever they called it on the Receiver series. Sorry, Harmonic Time Alignment. From what I've heard, few problems then the later receivers like the TA series. The one to get is the SR-4 with the wireless remote. ________________________________ From: Philip Czekala To: "naktalk@ naks.com" Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:23:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver Hi, Does anyone have any information they can provide about the Nakamichi SR-2A receiver? I know nothing about them. Are they good units? Are there any frequent repair issues with them etc? Thanks, Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From philztops at hotmail.com Thu Oct 14 19:05:39 2010 From: philztops at hotmail.com (Philip Czekala) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:05:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver In-Reply-To: <599928.41426.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <599928.41426.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott, Thanks for the info. I was basically looking to get something inexpensive for FM radio use and one that has presets. Phil Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:27:09 -0700 From: p9019 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver To: naktalk at naks.com The SR series weren't that bad. The tuner sucks though. The STATIS amp is pretty good though. Better specs and sound than the later Harmonic Convergence or whatever they called it on the Receiver series. Sorry, Harmonic Time Alignment. From what I've heard, few problems then the later receivers like the TA series. The one to get is the SR-4 with the wireless remote. From: Philip Czekala To: "naktalk@ naks.com" Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:23:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver Hi, Does anyone have any information they can provide about the Nakamichi SR-2A receiver? I know nothing about them. Are they good units? Are there any frequent repair issues with them etc? Thanks, Phil ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 14 19:27:35 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:27:35 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Manuals In-Reply-To: <0LA900LLN03HKU10@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> References: <35177.69112.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0LA900LLN03HKU10@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I'm not scanning them... There are more than 250 Nak documents on the CD. I don't know how to put them on the wiki -- that's why I'm sending discs to Wouter. If you would like your own set please send a private email to me at kaupp240 at hotmail.com Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Manuals I would like a CD too if possible and I'll send a few dollars to cover the cost and your time. If you're going to scan them, why not just put them on the Nak Wiki site? From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 14 20:09:10 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:09:10 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: <419878.38648.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <419878.38648.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Symptom change on my 581: Hit EVERY switch on the unit with deoxit as much as possible and then noticed the right channel vu-meter move almost imperceptibly to the beat of the music with Dolby ON. I thought it was my over-active imagination. So I cranked up the mp3 input device to max, cranked up the record level to max, and moved the balance control all the way to the right. With those pot settings, it will play and record the right channel with Dolby ON but it sounds like complete crap. It breaks up, is distorted, and very, very weak (maybe less than 1% of the left). It sounds like failing, intermittant electronics. Note that it still plays and records BOTH channels just fine with Dolby OUT. This is different than what Jonathan's 581 is doing. The position of the Dolby switch makes no difference on Jonathan's unit. When switching from Dolby OFF to ON the right meter momentarily pegs and then drops to no signal with the pots at normal input/balance/record levels. With the radical pot settings, the right vu-meter pegs and then drops back to indicate fairly normal decibel levels. This is the first time I've heard anything at all on the right channel since this whole thing started in spite of having tried the radical pot settings before. Will hit the switches again with deoxit since that is what brought about the symptom change. Mouser backordered some of the caps (no stock until February) but the others are finally on their way and should arrive in a few days. 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From: Philip Czekala To: "naktalk@ naks.com" Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:23:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver Hi,     Does anyone have any information they can provide about the Nakamichi SR-2A receiver? I know nothing about them. Are they good units? Are there any frequent repair issues with them etc?   Thanks,   Phil -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 21:04:12 2010 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:04:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL In-Reply-To: <000f01cb6bbe$9c22b670$d4682350$@utah.edu> References: <000f01cb6bbe$9c22b670$d4682350$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Is it your deck? Regards, Mike On 10/14/10, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > There is a 700 ZXL on E-bay. No bids! Ending tomorrow! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 22:18:39 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver In-Reply-To: References: , <599928.41426.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <249036.98875.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh, if you want FM radio get the ST-7 or dare I say it, a Carver TX-11 tuner.  They're cheap these days ( I just checked prices on the TX-11, not so cheap).  Then use powered speaker or a small amp only.  The ST-7 is an excellent sounding tuner. ________________________________ From: Philip Czekala To: "naktalk@ naks.com" Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 10:05:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver Scott,     Thanks for the info. I was basically looking to get something inexpensive for FM radio use and one that has presets. Phil   ________________________________ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:27:09 -0700 From: p9019 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver To: naktalk at naks.com The SR series weren't that bad.  The tuner sucks though.  The STATIS amp is pretty good though.  Better specs and sound than the later Harmonic Convergence or whatever they called it on the Receiver series.  Sorry, Harmonic Time Alignment.  From what I've heard, few problems then the later receivers like the TA series.  The one to get is the SR-4 with the wireless remote. ________________________________ From: Philip Czekala To: "naktalk@ naks.com" Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:23:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR-2A receiver Hi,     Does anyone have any information they can provide about the Nakamichi SR-2A receiver? I know nothing about them. Are they good units? 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URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Thu Oct 14 22:24:51 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:24:51 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <201010141006.o9EA04su004360@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010141006.o9EA04su004360@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8dc0db3c0116a7db55dab38ad9b629ed.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Haha...!! that would have to be the three most frightening for most cassette aficianado's.. the two most frightening words in the English/English, as opposed to American/English world would have to be "Coronation Street" A bit of an 'in' joke.. apologies to non Anglophiles :o) > The three most frightening words in the English language: "Double auto > reverse." I wonder if, given the intervening decades since Nakamichi set > the technological standard, Pioneer has caught up with the specs for even > the middle of the road Nak decks. > > -Tim > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 15 06:50:03 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <866507.73856.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <473729.25389.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, And I am talking about a Tandberg TCD 3014A that I had completely overhauled by The Soundsmith( the ESL for Tandbergs) in Peekskill, NY at a cost of $840....US. The Nak ZXL Limited( ESL serviced),2 other regular ZXLs( Willy restored), the ESL serviced 680ZX literally gave hell to the Tandberg, although the Tandberg was a phenomenally superb machine. Was, because I sold it on ebay for megabucks( to cover my mega cost) to a happy buyer. I presume the internal electronics and the sandwiched heads on the Tandbergs and the Studer/Revox machines do have a disadvantage over Naks. Just my humble subjective opinion. ....and I bought and had these other makes high end decks serviced and compared in my system to satisfy my curiosity. First hand. Ram. --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:12 AM Hey Ram, MANY audiophiles think the Tandberg 3014A is clearly the winner over any top-end Nak, in both record and playback. I've never owned or seen one, even though someone falsely posted (as me) at Asylum that I had. It would be more than interesting to see a shoot-out between the two, both technical and subjective listening tests. Kevin Message: 12 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <808420.16438.qm at web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fred, Interesting observation by you. I have had the opportunity to compare the Revox B215, ( 2 units), Studer A721, Tandberg TCD 3014A with the uber Naks, but never an Aiwa or a Pioneer. I have also compared an Alpine Al90 with the aforementioned Naks and every time I have come away stunned by the Nakamichi sound! The difference is readily evident. The closest any deck came to matching the Naks ( I am talking 680zx, Cr7,Dragon, ZX9 and ZXLs) was the Tandberg followed by the STuder and then the Revox. But the Naks just outwitted the others in rec/playback by a long shot.There was just no real competition here at all! This includes recording and playback. Just my observation....don't think I need to spend time on a Pioneer or an Aiwa anymore. Do I? Ram. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan at dogtime.com Thu Oct 14 23:20:18 2010 From: jonathan at dogtime.com (Jonathan Tuttle) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:20:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: References: <419878.38648.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If anyone's interested, there's a Nak 581 that "needs work" on the SF Craigslist for $50. As far as my 581 goes, I'm going to be cleaning every pot and switch with great vigor this weekend. Fingers crossed... On Oct 14, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > Symptom change on my 581: > > Hit EVERY switch on the unit with deoxit as much as possible and then noticed the right channel vu-meter move almost imperceptibly to the beat of the music with Dolby ON. I thought it was my over-active imagination. > > So I cranked up the mp3 input device to max, cranked up the record level to max, and moved the balance control all the way to the right. With those pot settings, it will play and record the right channel with Dolby ON but it sounds like complete crap. It breaks up, is distorted, and very, very weak (maybe less than 1% of the left). It sounds like failing, intermittant electronics. > > Note that it still plays and records BOTH channels just fine with Dolby OUT. This is different than what Jonathan’s 581 is doing. The position of the Dolby switch makes no difference on Jonathan’s unit. > > When switching from Dolby OFF to ON the right meter momentarily pegs and then drops to no signal with the pots at normal input/balance/record levels. With the radical pot settings, the right vu-meter pegs and then drops back to indicate fairly normal decibel levels. > > This is the first time I’ve heard anything at all on the right channel since this whole thing started in spite of having tried the radical pot settings before. Will hit the switches again with deoxit since that is what brought about the symptom change. > > Mouser backordered some of the caps (no stock until February) but the others are finally on their way and should arrive in a few days. So far the only things I have done were to replace the oscillator caps and socket/swap the Dolby chips (and fix all the mechanical things I messed up). > > This actually feels like progress. J > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Jonathan Tuttle DogTime Media 415.830.9310 http://dogtime.com http://dogtimemedia.com Check out our newest Facebook app! http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MarkH at Holaday.com Thu Oct 14 23:39:10 2010 From: MarkH at Holaday.com (Mark Hyer) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:39:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: References: <419878.38648.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Cheryl, If you need electronics before February? Try www.digikey.com. Mouser sent me a bunch of non usable carbon capacitors and other components I didn't order and Mouser apologized but never followed through with the RMA they promised. DigiKey has been my supplier ever since and they have been great. Congratulations on your abilities to research components and rebuild them as well. Regards Mark From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:09 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Symptom change on my 581: Hit EVERY switch on the unit with deoxit as much as possible and then noticed the right channel vu-meter move almost imperceptibly to the beat of the music with Dolby ON. I thought it was my over-active imagination. So I cranked up the mp3 input device to max, cranked up the record level to max, and moved the balance control all the way to the right. With those pot settings, it will play and record the right channel with Dolby ON but it sounds like complete crap. It breaks up, is distorted, and very, very weak (maybe less than 1% of the left). It sounds like failing, intermittant electronics. Note that it still plays and records BOTH channels just fine with Dolby OUT. This is different than what Jonathan's 581 is doing. The position of the Dolby switch makes no difference on Jonathan's unit. When switching from Dolby OFF to ON the right meter momentarily pegs and then drops to no signal with the pots at normal input/balance/record levels. With the radical pot settings, the right vu-meter pegs and then drops back to indicate fairly normal decibel levels. This is the first time I've heard anything at all on the right channel since this whole thing started in spite of having tried the radical pot settings before. Will hit the switches again with deoxit since that is what brought about the symptom change. Mouser backordered some of the caps (no stock until February) but the others are finally on their way and should arrive in a few days. So far the only things I have done were to replace the oscillator caps and socket/swap the Dolby chips (and fix all the mechanical things I messed up). This actually feels like progress. :) Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 15 00:09:02 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:09:02 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: References: <419878.38648.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It also behaves in this same manner if you are cued up to record: Dolby OFF sounds great. Dolby ON the right channel is very weak and dodo. After listening for a while it seems that lower frequencies really set off the distortion and intermittent behavior. In a few passages that had no bass the sound improved a lot but was still very weak. ck _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:09 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Symptom change on my 581: Hit EVERY switch on the unit with deoxit as much as possible and then noticed the right channel vu-meter move almost imperceptibly to the beat of the music with Dolby ON. I thought it was my over-active imagination. So I cranked up the mp3 input device to max, cranked up the record level to max, and moved the balance control all the way to the right. With those pot settings, it will play and record the right channel with Dolby ON but it sounds like complete crap. It breaks up, is distorted, and very, very weak (maybe less than 1% of the left). It sounds like failing, intermittant electronics. Note that it still plays and records BOTH channels just fine with Dolby OUT. This is different than what Jonathan's 581 is doing. The position of the Dolby switch makes no difference on Jonathan's unit. When switching from Dolby OFF to ON the right meter momentarily pegs and then drops to no signal with the pots at normal input/balance/record levels. With the radical pot settings, the right vu-meter pegs and then drops back to indicate fairly normal decibel levels. This is the first time I've heard anything at all on the right channel since this whole thing started in spite of having tried the radical pot settings before. Will hit the switches again with deoxit since that is what brought about the symptom change. Mouser backordered some of the caps (no stock until February) but the others are finally on their way and should arrive in a few days. 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You can download the standard version here: http://www.tonepublications.com/MAGPDF/TA_032.pdf And if you dare, the High Resolution version here: http://www.tonepublications.com/MAGPDF/TA_032HDX.pdf Dennis On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:11 AM, RSB wrote: > Did anyone happen to see the article about the Nak Dragon in the Oct 10/11 > Wall Street Journal weekend edition? I saw reference to it, but not the > article itself and will track it down if worth it - > > Rob > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Nak ZXL Limited( ESL serviced),2 other regular ZXLs( Willy restored), the ESL serviced 680ZX literally gave hell to the Tandberg, although the Tandberg was a phenomenally superb machine. Was, because I sold it on ebay for megabucks( to cover my mega cost) to a happy buyer. I presume the internal electronics and the sandwiched heads on the Tandbergs and the Studer/Revox machines do have a disadvantage over Naks. Just my humble subjective opinion. ....and I bought and had these other makes high end decks serviced and compared in my system to satisfy my curiosity. First hand. Ram. --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: >From: Kevin Fetner >Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:12 AM > > >Hey Ram, >MANY audiophiles think the Tandberg 3014A is clearly the winner over any top-end >Nak, in both record and playback. I've never owned or seen one, even though >someone falsely posted (as me) at Asylum that I had. It would be more than >interesting to see a shoot-out between the two, both technical and subjective >listening tests. > >Kevin > >Message: 12 >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:05:22 -0700 (PDT) >From: shanti ramachandran >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <808420.16438.qm at web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Fred, > >Interesting observation by you. > >I have had the opportunity to compare the Revox B215, ( 2 units), Studer A721, >Tandberg TCD 3014A with the uber Naks, but never an Aiwa or a Pioneer. I have >also compared an Alpine Al90 with the aforementioned Naks and every time I have >come away stunned by the Nakamichi sound! The difference is readily evident. > >The closest any deck came to matching the Naks ( I am talking 680zx, >Cr7,Dragon, ZX9 and ZXLs) was the Tandberg followed by the STuder and then the >Revox. > >But the Naks just outwitted the others in rec/playback by a long shot.There was >just no real competition here at all! This includes recording and playback. > >Just my observation....don't think I need to spend time on a Pioneer or an Aiwa >anymore. > >Do I? > >Ram. >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not the Vanity Fair magazine.  From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 12:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks Hi Kevin, And I am talking about a Tandberg TCD 3014A that I had completely overhauled by The Soundsmith( the ESL for Tandbergs) in Peekskill, NY at a cost of $840....US. The Nak ZXL Limited( ESL serviced),2 other regular ZXLs( Willy restored), the ESL serviced 680ZX literally gave hell to the Tandberg, although the Tandberg was a phenomenally superb machine. Was, because I sold it on ebay for megabucks( to cover my mega cost) to a happy buyer. I presume the internal electronics and the sandwiched heads on the Tandbergs and the Studer/Revox machines do have a disadvantage over Naks. Just my humble subjective opinion. ....and I bought and had these other makes high end decks serviced and compared in my system to satisfy my curiosity. First hand. Ram. --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:12 AM Hey Ram, MANY audiophiles think the Tandberg 3014A is clearly the winner over any top-end Nak, in both record and playback. I've never owned or seen one, even though someone falsely posted (as me) at Asylum that I had. It would be more than interesting to see a shoot-out between the two, both technical and subjective listening tests. Kevin Message: 12 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <808420.16438.qm at web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fred, Interesting observation by you. I have had the opportunity to compare the Revox B215, ( 2 units), Studer A721, Tandberg TCD 3014A with the uber Naks, but never an Aiwa or a Pioneer. I have also compared an Alpine Al90 with the aforementioned Naks and every time I have come away stunned by the Nakamichi sound! The difference is readily evident. The closest any deck came to matching the Naks ( I am talking 680zx, Cr7,Dragon, ZX9 and ZXLs) was the Tandberg followed by the STuder and then the Revox. But the Naks just outwitted the others in rec/playback by a long shot.There was just no real competition here at all! This includes recording and playback. Just my observation....don't think I need to spend time on a Pioneer or an Aiwa anymore. Do I? 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 15 15:36:39 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 06:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Pioneer New Cassette decks. Message-ID: <883240.20885.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sorry folks, I made an errata in the below post. The Tandberg TCD3014A has discrete heads and is record head azimuth adjustable like some Naks.Its does not have sandwiched heads. Ram. Hi Kevin, And I am talking about a Tandberg TCD 3014A that I had completely overhauled by The Soundsmith( the ESL for Tandbergs) in Peekskill, NY at a cost of $840....US. The Nak ZXL Limited( ESL serviced),2 other regular ZXLs( Willy restored), the ESL serviced 680ZX literally gave hell to the Tandberg, although the Tandberg was a phenomenally superb machine. Was, because I sold it on ebay for megabucks( to cover my mega cost) to a happy buyer. I presume the internal electronics and the sandwiched heads on the Tandbergs and the Studer/Revox machines do have a disadvantage over Naks. Just my humble subjective opinion. ....and I bought and had these other makes high end decks serviced and compared in my system to satisfy my curiosity. First hand. Ram. From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Oct 15 15:39:39 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:39:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <431744.79562.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <274956.28420.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <431744.79562.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are a few pretty solid looking new decks, but all pro versions, and usually with a CD player/recorder. None appear to be 3 head, and it looks like Dolby C is even a fading option, although HX pro and B are still on all of them. Surprisingly Tascam is down to only a couple models, but Denon and Marantz have a few out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 15 18:52:24 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: References: <274956.28420.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <431744.79562.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <748834.37353.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I wish we had jut as much new media to play with. Bala ________________________________ From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 9:39:39 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks There are a few pretty solid looking new decks, but all pro versions, and usually with a CD player/recorder. None appear to be 3 head, and it looks like Dolby C is even a fading option, although HX pro and B are still on all of them. Surprisingly Tascam is down to only a couple models, but Denon and Marantz have a few out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonynelson at georgeanelson.com Fri Oct 15 19:25:05 2010 From: tonynelson at georgeanelson.com (Tony Nelson) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:25:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A sticks in Record after 30 secs Message-ID: <1287163505.22199.0@localhost.localdomain> I have a CR-1A bought new quite a while ago that, just after the end of the warranty, started going crazy about 30 secs after first power-up. I'm taking another look at it now, and it behaves properly for the first 30 secs or so and then gets stuck in Record+Stop, and no longer responds to the transport control buttons. Using a CR-2 manual, the inputs to the Transport Control MPU IC603 look good and don't seem to change at the time it goes mad. I'm inclined to think that IC603 is bad, except that MPUs don't usually do anything reasonable when they fail. If the cassette door is left open, the change to Record mode is delayed until the door is closed. Nothing seems warm, but I don't have any freeze spray (and ice on IC603 did nothing), and don't know where to get any close by (lazy/cheap). Again, I stress that the transport behaves properly until something warms up, so it shouldn't be the Control motor or the cam switches -- their outputs look OK at IC603. Vdd looks fine on my Tek DMM. In your experience, is this probably the Transport Control MPU IC603 or something else? If it is IC603, where should I get a replacement? -- ____________________________________________________________________ TonyN.:' ' From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 15 19:45:18 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 07:45:18 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: References: <419878.38648.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In case anyone was wondering why nothing appeared on the right channel before. My MP3 has only a headphone jack. By using it for input and cranking it to max volume it was possible to detect a signal on the right channel on the Nak. Previously I was using only standard line level inputs. The right channel is so weak that it simply isn't detectable with a line level input unless you have a scope. Line level inputs produce absolutely no audible output and nothing visible on the vu-meter for the right channel with Dolby ON. Good luck Jonathan. The little soft-touch momentary switches are fun.. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Tuttle Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:20 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems If anyone's interested, there's a Nak 581 that "needs work" on the SF Craigslist for $50. As far as my 581 goes, I'm going to be cleaning every pot and switch with great vigor this weekend. Fingers crossed... On Oct 14, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Symptom change on my 581: Hit EVERY switch on the unit with deoxit as much as possible and then noticed the right channel vu-meter move almost imperceptibly to the beat of the music with Dolby ON. I thought it was my over-active imagination. So I cranked up the mp3 input device to max, cranked up the record level to max, and moved the balance control all the way to the right. With those pot settings, it will play and record the right channel with Dolby ON but it sounds like complete crap. It breaks up, is distorted, and very, very weak (maybe less than 1% of the left). It sounds like failing, intermittant electronics. Note that it still plays and records BOTH channels just fine with Dolby OUT. This is different than what Jonathan's 581 is doing. The position of the Dolby switch makes no difference on Jonathan's unit. When switching from Dolby OFF to ON the right meter momentarily pegs and then drops to no signal with the pots at normal input/balance/record levels. With the radical pot settings, the right vu-meter pegs and then drops back to indicate fairly normal decibel levels. This is the first time I've heard anything at all on the right channel since this whole thing started in spite of having tried the radical pot settings before. Will hit the switches again with deoxit since that is what brought about the symptom change. Mouser backordered some of the caps (no stock until February) but the others are finally on their way and should arrive in a few days. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 15 19:52:09 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 07:52:09 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: References: <419878.38648.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark - but I'm just a hacker with a knowledge of basic electrical circuits (NOT electronic) and good mechanical skills. My real success lies in not having been electrocuted.....yet. :-) Knock on wood. Thanks for the link! I'll give them a try for any caps that Mouser doesn't send. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Hyer Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:39 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Hello Cheryl, If you need electronics before February? Try www.digikey.com. Mouser sent me a bunch of non usable carbon capacitors and other components I didn't order and Mouser apologized but never followed through with the RMA they promised. DigiKey has been my supplier ever since and they have been great. Congratulations on your abilities to research components and rebuild them as well. Regards Mark From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:09 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Symptom change on my 581: Hit EVERY switch on the unit with deoxit as much as possible and then noticed the right channel vu-meter move almost imperceptibly to the beat of the music with Dolby ON. I thought it was my over-active imagination. So I cranked up the mp3 input device to max, cranked up the record level to max, and moved the balance control all the way to the right. With those pot settings, it will play and record the right channel with Dolby ON but it sounds like complete crap. It breaks up, is distorted, and very, very weak (maybe less than 1% of the left). It sounds like failing, intermittant electronics. Note that it still plays and records BOTH channels just fine with Dolby OUT. This is different than what Jonathan's 581 is doing. The position of the Dolby switch makes no difference on Jonathan's unit. When switching from Dolby OFF to ON the right meter momentarily pegs and then drops to no signal with the pots at normal input/balance/record levels. With the radical pot settings, the right vu-meter pegs and then drops back to indicate fairly normal decibel levels. This is the first time I've heard anything at all on the right channel since this whole thing started in spite of having tried the radical pot settings before. Will hit the switches again with deoxit since that is what brought about the symptom change. Mouser backordered some of the caps (no stock until February) but the others are finally on their way and should arrive in a few days. So far the only things I have done were to replace the oscillator caps and socket/swap the Dolby chips (and fix all the mechanical things I messed up). This actually feels like progress. :-) Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 00:50:30 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:50:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox versus Nakamichi versus Pioneer Message-ID: Hi All, I have been reading with interest the posts about the difference between Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B215 and Pioneer cassette decks. This really got me curious because the studio here has the Nakamichi 680ZX and a Revox B710, and I found some Pioneer cassette deck in "The Graveyard," the back closet where of equipment is kept for whatever reason. So I asked if we could have a listening party with all the cassette decks in the studio, and we did. wow, it was areal learning experience for me. forgive my ignorance, I just didn't realize there was such a big difference in how cassette decks sound, and some of them just sound so good it's still awesome to me. We fed the same mix from the Kermit's customized Tascam 80-8 to each deck, then compared playbacks. TDK SA tape was used, and Dave the studio tech made sure all the cassette decks were biased right for the tapes. Anyway, here's how things went for me: Nakamichi 680ZX -- really lively sound, astounding bass. Detailed and fun to listen to, but I could tell when the input was switched to tape, it seemed a bit brighter and bass seemed punchier, guitars and mandolin seemed to have more sense of attack, and vocals seemed pushed back in the mix a bit; reverb was emphasized. Revox B710 -- seemed really natural and accurate, musical balances were unchanged; it was really hard for me to hear the difference between input monitor and the tape, except the treble seemed maybe just a bit less airy, don't know how to describe it -- really accurate but sterile? Bass seemed clear but not punch, and the sense of reverb wasn't as acute. Pioneer CT-4141 -- really awful, mandolin and guitar seemed brittle (the flutter and wow issue some of you talked about?), treble was dull, I couldn't hear the kick drum or the bass guitar at all. Honestly it sounded like an AM radio. Pioneer CT-F7171 -- like the CT-4141, but the treble was a bit clearer, guitars didn't sound jangly but mandolin did, and I could hear the kick drum and bass guitar but both sounded muddy. Pioneer CT-F7272 -- sounded okay, but all closed in, mandolin sounded harsh, everything sounded canned and artificial, no sense of reverb. Kick drum sounded muddy, bass guitar was loud but lacked sense of power. Pioneer CT-F9191 -- If I hadn't heard the Nakamichi or the Revox, I would have liked it. good sound, but you could always tell when you listened to tape versus the input. Cymbals had a harshness and just sounded lke "shh... shh...." Nakamichi 680ZX versus Revox B710: well, it's a hard decision, but here's how it was for me. The Revox is prettier (I know that doesn't matter, really), and is easier to work, but it seemed fussier about bias and being kept clean. The Revox sounded more accurate to my ear than the Nakakmichi, but the Nakamichi is more fun to listen to. So I'll take both! (How's that for a solution!) -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 01:08:21 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:08:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: References: <201009271038.o8RAVwOc025075@zxe.naks.com> <1c66b4782fb571594f647fa0e7603c50.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> <14F4D147-D397-42FA-B057-07A15A4FC64C@dogtime.com> Message-ID: Hi! Just a quick followup on everyone's help ... there was a guy here who was selling a Nakamichi turntable on Craigslist, and I jumped on it, but when I showed up to pay for it he had sold it to somebody else. So I'm still looking for a turntable. I sold my Bose Wave radio on eBay today. Good riddance! Tim, during a meeting today the subject of dual turntables came up and that jogged my memory, so I mentioned to Kermit what you'd said about your Dual 1019, so he said he'd hold back some parts for you, n pressure no hurry. I just know we're getting low on some of the parts for the 1000 series Duals. I just found out we have a Dual 1009-SK in the graveyard that is in great shape ... would that be a good choice to get me going on LPs until I can get a really awesome turntable? On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Tim Skorick wrote: > Don't let anyone give you flack for owning Bose - everyone does it at least > once. It was just so hard to deny Paul Harvey. I had some Bose speakers > way back too. It's like we who have owned Bose equipment eventually end up > saying: "no highs no lows: must be Bose" :-) > > Dual and Rega I can vouch for, in fact having Kermit go over my Dual 1019 > is still on my wish list ... You also really can't go wrong with the > Technics, that is the DJ workhorse turntable and it is an awesome starter TT > too. > > -Tim > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Julie Kessler < > juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Wow, thanks for all the great advice. You gave me a lot to think about and >> I needed to re-read everything a few times before I replied. I'm shopping >> for some Nakamichi decks and as I write this I'm adding several to my eBay >> watch list. One idea I kind of like is getting a 600 because I'm already >> used to working those, and if it has a problem with it getting somebody here >> to fix it will be no problem. We have so many Nakamichi 600's in the studio, >> it seems like every time you turn around there's a 600 looking at you! I had >> one ask me to go get it a fresh cup of coffee. (That's what we interns do, >> right? Get the coffee! LOL!) Nakamichi 600's do test mixes, make test >> recordings, record sound samples for the web site, and are part of A/B tests >> of the equipment we make. They're real workhorses! But I also like the look >> of the LX-5 and some of the CR-? cassette decks. >> >> I do feel really lucky to be one of Kermit's interns! I've worked for >> three other recording studios, and this one is the best. Kermit's really >> easy to work with, always teaching and if you make a mistake you don't get >> yelled at. And, the engineering staff doesn't mind us interns hanging >> around. At the other studios the engineers always made me feel like I was in >> the way. >> >> I agree that MP3s aren't great sounding, but you know, the reason almost >> all my music is on MP3s is because of the studios I've worked at before >> joining Kermit's company. Listening to the mix from the studio monitors and >> then listening to the MP3 encode I really didn't hear much of a difference, >> so it made sense to save money and buy the MP3s. I guess that says a lot >> about those studios! But now I'm working at a studio where you hear the >> master tape and it's hard to tell it's not live, then you hear an MP3 and >> it's lifeless and harsh and nothing like the master tape. Honestly, I never >> knew recorded music could sound like live music! (One thing I've noticed is >> that Kermit has a really, really different approach to recording than what >> I've seen in other studios. Wow, I could tell you some amazing stories!) So, >> the MP3 have got to go! And so does the Bose Wave Radio! >> >> But it's going to take a while to replace all my MP3's with CD's and LP's. >> >> >> I think I'll probably get that Shure M97 cartridge. We have several Shure >> cartridges in the studio and they all great. the M95ED and V-15 Type II, I >> think. There seems to be a consensus that Thorens and Rega are great record >> players. >> >> Oh, this is a little off topic, but the studio is selling off some of its >> equipment and I was wondering if any of these would be good choices for a >> turntable: >> Bang & Olufsen Beogram 1900 >> Bang & Olufsen Beogram 4000 >> Dual 1009-SK >> Dual 1214 >> Dual 1218 >> Rega Planar 3 >> Technics SL-1200 >> Yamaha YP-211 >> >> Thanks again for all the awesome advice. I might have to ask some more >> questions later! >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: >> >>> I can't comment on any of the Nakamichi gear as I've only owned a Nak for >>> three days, but I would like to weigh in on the turntable choice. I had a >>> Rega P2 with a Sumiko Blue Point #2 and a Grace tonearm. I ended up getting >>> rid of it for a Systemdek with a Signet MC cart. The Signet is definitely >>> sweeter sounding than the Sumiko, but I think the greatest difference came >>> from the suspended platter in the Systemdek. I'm now a complete convert to >>> springs. My price range is on the low side -- I think the Systemdek was $125 >>> plus $50 for the NOS Signet cart. >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 3:19 PM, < >>> shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Julie, >>> >>> Well, this is one of those questions where you will get 64,000 different >>> answers!! >>> I'm also envious of you working with Kermit.. that 'sounds' like fun, pun >>> intended. >>> >>> First off the Cassette deck..... I'm am going to differ with most of the >>> prior suggestions!. I am going to do so on the grounds that you work >>> with >>> Kermit and he has a fondness for the warmer sound of the older >>> Nakamichi's >>> like the 600, and perhaps that is what you are currently listening to? >>> I would plump for a GOOD 582Z three header, first off.. easily >>> serviceable >>> and repairable, great sound, but may be hard to find in which case a 580 >>> 2 >>> head or 582 3 head also are great bangs for the buck. Then onto the LX-3 >>> or LX-5. As always, condition is your primary guide. (The caveat here is >>> that no matter what model.. if you are offered any Nak in good >>> condition.. >>> GRAB IT... you won't be disappointed.. the options above are a 'sound' >>> preference) >>> >>> CD's.. Nakamichi's offer a great sound, a bit on the full side perhaps >>> ...but the down side is they are getting old and technology has moved on >>> quite a bit, whereas with the tape decks Nakamichi were ahead of the >>> game. >>> A new NAD or mid range Cambridge Audio probably be a better bet IMHO. >>> >>> Record player?.. I'd second, or is it third :o).. Kannan's suggestion of >>> a Thorens TD165... and throw in a TD160 to the mix as well.... and they >>> are relatively cheap to acquire. The factory fitted TP arm is a good >>> start >>> point for induction into the world of TT's, if not the prettiest piece of >>> equipment, but easy to set up and use. Fit a good cartridge, set the sub >>> chassis suspension up correctly, and the sound is exceptional especially >>> >>> for the outlay. I will differ on cartridge recommendation though, again >>> for a warmer sound preference...fit a Denon high output Moving Coil, a >>> DL110 or DL160 as budget allows.. both work well in Thorens TP arm. (The >>> DL160 IS worth the extra $$ over the DL110). If you don't want the hassle >>> >>> of a suspended sub chassis turntable, then a Rega III with the RB300 arm >>> is also a good start point, and again, one of the Denon cartridges above. >>> >>> Good luck, and let us know what 'kit' you end up with. >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> *Jonathan Tuttle >>> *DogTime Media >>> 415.830.9310 >>> *http://dogtime.com >>> http://dogtimemedia.com* >>> * >>> **Check out our newest Facebook app!* >>> *http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/* >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >> http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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This really got me > curious because the studio here has the Nakamichi 680ZX and a Revox B710, > and I found some Pioneer cassette deck in "The Graveyard," the back closet > where of equipment is kept for whatever reason. So I asked if we could have > a listening party with all the cassette decks in the studio, and we did. > wow, it was areal learning experience for me. forgive my ignorance, I just > didn't realize there was such a big difference in how cassette decks sound, > and some of them just sound so good it's still awesome to me. > > We fed the same mix from the Kermit's customized Tascam 80-8 to each deck, > then compared playbacks. TDK SA tape was used, and Dave the studio tech made > sure all the cassette decks were biased right for the tapes. > > Anyway, here's how things went for me: > > Nakamichi 680ZX -- really lively sound, astounding bass. Detailed and fun > to listen to, but I could tell when the input was switched to tape, it > seemed a bit brighter and bass seemed punchier, guitars and mandolin seemed > to have more sense of attack, and vocals seemed pushed back in the mix a > bit; reverb was emphasized. > > Revox B710 -- seemed really natural and accurate, musical balances were > unchanged; it was really hard for me to hear the difference between input > monitor and the tape, except the treble seemed maybe just a bit less airy, > don't know how to describe it -- really accurate but sterile? Bass seemed > clear but not punch, and the sense of reverb wasn't as acute. > > Pioneer CT-4141 -- really awful, mandolin and guitar seemed brittle (the > flutter and wow issue some of you talked about?), treble was dull, I > couldn't hear the kick drum or the bass guitar at all. Honestly it sounded > like an AM radio. > > Pioneer CT-F7171 -- like the CT-4141, but the treble was a bit clearer, > guitars didn't sound jangly but mandolin did, and I could hear the kick drum > and bass guitar but both sounded muddy. > > Pioneer CT-F7272 -- sounded okay, but all closed in, mandolin sounded > harsh, everything sounded canned and artificial, no sense of reverb. Kick > drum sounded muddy, bass guitar was loud but lacked sense of power. > > Pioneer CT-F9191 -- If I hadn't heard the Nakamichi or the Revox, I would > have liked it. good sound, but you could always tell when you listened to > tape versus the input. Cymbals had a harshness and just sounded lke "shh... > shh...." > > > Nakamichi 680ZX versus Revox B710: well, it's a hard decision, but here's > how it was for me. The Revox is prettier (I know that doesn't matter, > really), and is easier to work, but it seemed fussier about bias and being > kept clean. The Revox sounded more accurate to my ear than the Nakakmichi, > but the Nakamichi is more fun to listen to. > > So I'll take both! (How's that for a solution!) > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 08:28:32 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:28:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <427588.67401.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <201010131246.o9DCjA7U000335@zxe.naks.com> <427588.67401.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, Technics (I was a manager in the Panasonic Service Division for six years and previously was an authorized servicer) and Teac made nice decks, but they could never get the wow-and-flutter figure (as actually measured in the field) less than about .1% w&f rms. The problem was - many audiophiles could hear this. On the other hand, the Technics RS-1500 series reel-to-reels was utterly outstanding, and in the mid and late seventies Teac reel-to-reels (e.g. A-3340) were spectacular. As I write this, we have a Technics RS-1500 series reel-to-reel in for repair. Sadly, it is a wounded warrior. Oh . . . JVC took their shot as well. Again, some nice decks - but the w&f figure just wasn't that spectacular. * * * * * Shanti, Now you know why I drop by this Nakamichi forum. In the final analysis, cassette-deck-wise Nakamichi is the BEST brand. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Fred, > > I would say Technics in the 70s and Teac in the 80s also were worthy > contenders with fine decks. When listened on their own, Aiwa decks had a > wonderful sound - and the build quality of their FRTS decks were just > awesome. > > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fred Longworth > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks < > > *Sent:* Thu, October 14, 2010 5:22:39 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks > > I am a long-time Pioneer fan, but in my opinion, having serviced many > hundreds of Pioneer cassette decks from the 1970's to the present day, I > don't think Pioneer has EVER made a cassette deck with a wow-and-flutter > figure measurable in the field, rather than on some spec sheet, that is even > close to Nakamichi standards. Even the modest BX-1 will run circles around > the most coveted Pioneer cassettes. > > The only competition to Nak is -- Revox, Tandberg (briefly), Aiwa (for a > few years in the 1980's and 1990's). > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * *s > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, RSB wrote: > >> The WSJ article references some new cassette decks actually still being >> made >> today. Good 'ol Pioneer just won't give up! Who wouda thunk. 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URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sat Oct 16 14:53:01 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer Message-ID: <303121415.549327.1287233581803.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> And that, Julie, is why so many of us have so many decks. I don't own so many for just ownership sake, but because each one has either a unique feature or sound or significance. FWIW, the B710 and B215 are almost identical transports, but I've heard from others that the B710 is often considered more "musical". It also lacks Dolby C, like the 680ZX, which may or may not be important to you. (sounds like not) I'm surprised you found the controls of the B710 easier to use than a 680ZX, and the 680ZX is about the prettiest deck they ever made. The FL meters are to die for, blow any LED meters out the water, in looks, resolution, and function. (FWIW, I also agree 100% with Bala about the $#!^ LCD meters on the B215. A change made merely because LCDs were fairly new and "high tech" in 1980. They are also a frequent Achilles heel and a reason some become parts decks, as they are irreplaceable. I bought my second one cheap as and for a parts deck, but it turned out it only need all new caps and a transport service, and it was as good as (better now actually) new.) I'm not at all surprised about the Pioneers. The CT-1250 was about the only one that it's performance matched it's looks, and it sucks to work on. Another inexpensive set of decks, with excellent sound, and nice meters, are the Yamahas. In the "ultra cheap class" (under $50) the K-960 is a perennial favorite with very natural sound for a 2 head deck, excellent buid quality, nice specs, dolby B and dbx, then the era TOTL K-1020, and KX-1200 all have B, C, and dbx, and are very easy to use, cal tapes with and work with, and use the same Sankyo transport as the later Naks. They can be had in the $150 range, in perfect working and cosmetic condition. BTW, I'm not a huge fan of the use of 10xx series Duals, I've owned a few, and while built like tanks in some respects, with excellent tone arms, they are as difficult to work on as tanks often. Plus, idler tire rim drive TTs, while great for torque are just rumble beasts. The only TTs I've ever used a subsonic (rumble) filter on has been Duals. Their spring suspensions are useless. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Oct 16 15:50:06 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 06:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Revox versus Nakamichi versus Pioneer Message-ID: <904630.49042.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Very interesting. Many years ago I went through a similar listening test -- A ReVox deck against a Nak CR7. I owned a 582 at the time and could easily hear the (small but unmistakable) improvement offered by both. Between the two, my choice was different than yours. I clearly preferred the the CR7. Found the sound transparent and very faithful to the source (LPs only, no CDs). The ReVox (don't recall the model number -- I think it was a B215 but am not sure) offered a warm, pleasant but somewhat bloated sound. The difference was not astounding. Nothing earthshaking, yet certainly consistently audible. The music we listened to was classical -- Orchestral and vocal. Possibly, judgment would have been different with pop or rock. -- Ron --- On Fri, 10/15/10, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: [naktalk] Revox versus Nakamichi versus Pioneer To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 6:50 PM Hi All, I have been reading with interest the posts about the difference between Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B215 and Pioneer cassette decks. This really got me curious because the studio here has the Nakamichi 680ZX and a Revox B710, and I found some Pioneer cassette deck in "The Graveyard," the back closet where of equipment is kept for whatever reason. So I asked if we could have a listening party with all the cassette decks in the studio, and we did. wow, it was  areal learning experience for me. forgive my ignorance, I just didn't realize there was such a big difference in how cassette decks sound, and some of them just sound so good it's still awesome to me. We fed the same mix from the Kermit's customized Tascam 80-8 to each deck, then compared playbacks. TDK SA tape was used, and Dave the studio tech made sure all the cassette decks were biased right for the tapes. Anyway, here's how things went for me: Nakamichi 680ZX -- really lively sound, astounding bass. Detailed and fun to listen to, but I could tell when the input was switched to tape, it seemed a bit brighter and bass seemed punchier, guitars and mandolin seemed to have more sense of attack, and vocals seemed pushed back in the mix a bit; reverb was emphasized. Revox B710 -- seemed really natural and accurate, musical balances were unchanged; it was really hard for me to hear the difference between input monitor and the tape, except the treble seemed maybe just a bit less airy, don't know how to describe it -- really accurate but sterile? Bass seemed clear but not punch, and the sense of reverb wasn't as acute. Pioneer CT-4141 -- really awful, mandolin and guitar seemed brittle (the flutter and wow issue some of you talked about?), treble was dull, I couldn't hear the kick drum or the bass guitar at all. Honestly it sounded like an AM radio. Pioneer CT-F7171 -- like the CT-4141, but the treble was a bit clearer, guitars didn't sound jangly but mandolin did, and I could hear the kick drum and bass guitar but both sounded muddy. Pioneer CT-F7272 -- sounded okay, but all closed in, mandolin sounded harsh, everything sounded canned and artificial, no sense of reverb. Kick drum sounded muddy, bass guitar was loud but lacked sense of power. Pioneer CT-F9191 -- If I hadn't heard the Nakamichi or the Revox, I would have liked it. good sound, but you could always tell when you listened to tape versus the input. Cymbals had a harshness and just sounded lke "shh... shh...." Nakamichi 680ZX versus Revox B710: well, it's a hard decision, but here's how it was for me. The Revox is prettier (I know that doesn't matter, really), and is easier to work, but it seemed fussier about bias and being kept clean. The Revox sounded more accurate to my ear than the Nakakmichi, but the Nakamichi is more fun to listen to. So I'll take both! (How's that for a solution!) -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Sat Oct 16 15:53:25 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 06:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer In-Reply-To: <303121415.549327.1287233581803.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <303121415.549327.1287233581803.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <631981.26059.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Revox B710 MK-II does has Dolby-C if my memory is correct. My Studer A-710 comes with Dolby-C. The weak spot of the A/B-710 is the spinning motors. They can fail after particular years of service. Mine already show age when I bought my A-710 and I have to end up replacing both and the motors themselves cost me over $400 three years ago. The good new is that Revox/Studer still have parts available for their cassette decks but just not cheap. The A/B-710 are much easier to operate and the transport system is almost indestructable plus there is no belts to worry about. Also the B215's meters also are prong to fail easily as well. Sometimes frequency response itself does not necessary tell the whole picture of how a deck really can perform. Enjoy !!!! ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 7:53:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer And that, Julie, is why so many of us have so many decks. I don't own so many for just ownership sake, but because each one has either a unique feature or sound or significance. FWIW, the B710 and B215 are almost identical transports, but I've heard from others that the B710 is often considered more "musical". It also lacks Dolby C, like the 680ZX, which may or may not be important to you. (sounds like not) I'm surprised you found the controls of the B710 easier to use than a 680ZX, and the 680ZX is about the prettiest deck they ever made. The FL meters are to die for, blow any LED meters out the water, in looks, resolution, and function.  (FWIW, I also agree 100% with Bala about the $#!^ LCD meters on the B215. A change made merely because LCDs were fairly new and "high tech" in 1980. They are also a frequent Achilles heel and a reason some become parts decks, as they are irreplaceable. I bought my second one cheap as and for a parts deck, but it turned out it only need all new caps and a transport service, and it was as good as (better now actually) new.)  I'm not at all surprised about the Pioneers.  The CT-1250 was about the only one that it's performance matched it's looks, and it sucks to work on.  Another inexpensive set of decks, with excellent sound, and nice meters, are the Yamahas. In the "ultra cheap class" (under $50) the K-960 is a perennial favorite with very natural sound for a 2 head deck, excellent buid quality, nice specs, dolby B and dbx, then the era TOTL K-1020, and KX-1200 all have B, C, and dbx, and are very easy to use, cal tapes with and work with, and use the same Sankyo transport as the later Naks. They can be had in the $150 range, in perfect working and cosmetic condition.  BTW, I'm not a huge fan of the use of 10xx  series Duals, I've owned a few, and while built like tanks in some respects, with excellent tone arms, they are as difficult to work on as tanks often. Plus, idler tire rim drive TTs, while great for torque are just rumble beasts.  The only TTs I've ever used a subsonic (rumble) filter on has been Duals. Their spring suspensions are useless. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Oct 16 15:58:21 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 06:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <936081.31347.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Re: Dual turntables: consider the 5000. It goes for $150-$350 or so on ebay and, as far as sonics, was one of their best. If you prefer sound to convenience, it will easily beat the 1009 and similar changers. -- Ron --- On Fri, 10/15/10, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: Re: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 7:08 PM Hi! Just a quick followup on everyone's help ... there was a guy here who was selling a Nakamichi turntable on Craigslist, and I jumped on it, but when I showed up to pay for it he had sold it to somebody else. So I'm still looking for a turntable. I sold my Bose Wave radio on eBay today. Good riddance! Tim, during a meeting today the subject of dual turntables came up and that jogged my memory, so I mentioned to Kermit what you'd said about your Dual 1019, so he said he'd hold back some parts for you, n pressure no hurry. I just know we're getting low on some of the parts for the 1000 series Duals. I just found out we have a Dual 1009-SK in the graveyard that is in great shape ... would that be a good choice to get me going on LPs until I can get a really awesome turntable? On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Tim Skorick wrote: Don't let anyone give you flack for owning Bose - everyone does it at least once.  It was just so hard to deny Paul Harvey.  I had some Bose speakers way back too.  It's like we who have owned Bose equipment eventually end up saying: "no highs no lows: must be Bose" :-)   Dual and Rega I can vouch for, in fact having Kermit go over my Dual 1019 is still on my wish list ... You also really can't go wrong with the Technics, that is the DJ workhorse turntable and it is an awesome starter TT too.   -Tim On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Julie Kessler wrote: Hi All, Wow, thanks for all the great advice. You gave me a lot to think about and I needed to re-read everything a few times before I replied. I'm shopping for some Nakamichi decks and as I write this I'm adding several to my eBay watch list. One idea I kind of like is getting a 600 because I'm already used to working those, and if it has a problem with it getting somebody here to fix it will be no problem. We have so many Nakamichi 600's in the studio, it seems like every time you turn around there's a 600 looking at you! I had one ask me to go get it a fresh cup of coffee. (That's what we interns do, right? Get the coffee! LOL!) Nakamichi 600's do test mixes, make test recordings, record sound samples for the web site, and are part of A/B tests of the equipment we make. They're real workhorses! But I also like the look of the LX-5 and some of the CR-? cassette decks. I do feel really lucky to be one of Kermit's interns! I've worked for three other recording studios, and this one is the best. Kermit's really easy to work with, always teaching and if you make a mistake you don't get yelled at. And, the engineering staff doesn't mind us interns hanging around. At the other studios the engineers always made me feel like I was in the way. I agree that MP3s aren't great sounding, but you know, the reason almost all my music is on MP3s is because of the studios I've worked at before joining Kermit's company. Listening to the mix from the studio monitors and then listening to the MP3 encode I really didn't hear much of a difference, so it made sense to save money and buy the MP3s. I guess that says a lot about those studios! But now I'm working at a studio where you hear the master tape and it's hard to tell it's not live, then you hear an MP3 and it's lifeless and harsh and nothing like the master tape. Honestly, I never knew recorded music could sound like live music! (One thing I've noticed is that Kermit has a really, really  different approach to recording than what I've seen in other studios. Wow, I could tell you some amazing stories!) So, the MP3 have got to go! And so does the Bose Wave Radio! But it's going to take a while to replace all my MP3's with CD's and LP's. I think I'll probably get that Shure M97 cartridge. We have several Shure cartridges in the studio and they all great. the M95ED and V-15 Type II, I think. There seems to be a consensus that Thorens and Rega are great record players. Oh, this is  a little off topic, but the studio is selling off some of its equipment and I was wondering if any of these would be good choices for a turntable:     Bang & Olufsen Beogram 1900     Bang & Olufsen Beogram 4000     Dual 1009-SK     Dual 1214     Dual 1218     Rega Planar 3     Technics SL-1200     Yamaha YP-211 Thanks again for all the awesome advice. I might have to ask some more questions later! On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: I can't comment on any of the Nakamichi gear as I've only owned a Nak for three days, but I would like to weigh in on the turntable choice. I had a Rega P2 with a Sumiko Blue Point #2 and a Grace tonearm. I ended up getting rid of it for a Systemdek with a Signet MC cart. The Signet is definitely sweeter sounding than the Sumiko, but I think the greatest difference came from the suspended platter in the Systemdek. I'm now a complete convert to springs. My price range is on the low side -- I think the Systemdek was $125 plus $50 for the NOS Signet cart. On Sep 27, 2010, at 3:19 PM, wrote: Hi Julie, Well, this is one of those questions where you will get 64,000 different answers!! I'm also envious of you working with Kermit.. that 'sounds' like fun, pun intended. First off the Cassette deck..... I'm am going to differ with most of the prior suggestions!.  I am going to do so on the grounds that you work with Kermit and he has a fondness for the warmer sound of the older Nakamichi's like the 600, and perhaps that is what you are currently listening to? I would plump for a GOOD 582Z three header, first off.. easily serviceable and repairable, great sound, but may be hard to find in which case a 580 2 head or 582 3 head  also are great bangs for the buck. Then onto the LX-3 or LX-5. As always, condition is your primary guide. (The caveat here is that no matter what model.. if you are offered any Nak in good condition.. GRAB IT... you won't be disappointed.. the options above are a 'sound' preference) CD's..  Nakamichi's  offer a great sound, a bit on the full side perhaps ...but the down side is they are getting old and technology has moved on quite a bit, whereas with the tape decks Nakamichi were ahead of the game. A new NAD or mid range Cambridge Audio probably be a better bet IMHO. Record player?.. I'd second, or is it third  :o).. Kannan's suggestion of a Thorens TD165... and throw in a TD160 to the mix as well.... and they are relatively cheap to acquire. The factory fitted TP arm is a good start point for induction into the world of TT's, if not the prettiest piece of equipment, but easy to set up and use. Fit a good cartridge, set the sub chassis suspension up correctly,  and the sound is exceptional especially for the outlay. I will differ on cartridge recommendation though, again for a warmer sound preference...fit a Denon high output Moving Coil, a DL110 or DL160 as budget allows.. both work well in  Thorens TP arm. (The DL160 IS worth the extra $$ over the DL110). If you don't want the hassle of a suspended sub chassis turntable, then a Rega III with the RB300 arm is also a good start point, and again, one of the Denon cartridges above. Good luck, and let us know what 'kit' you end up with. cheers, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Jonathan Tuttle DogTime Media 415.830.9310 http://dogtime.com http://dogtimemedia.com Check out our newest Facebook app! http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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And it's great with good dynamic or condenser mics as long as you have the right cables. Fergus On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Julie Kessler wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm almost ready to buy my first Nakamichi cassette, but had a quick > question. I just realized I need microphone inputs, and I don't want to have > to use a separate microphone preamp. Are the only models that have mike > inputs the 500, 550, 700, and 1000? Or were there newer models that had mike > inputs? Oh, my microphone is an AKG D160E modified by Kermit, so I need a > mike input that can handle dynamic mikes. I wanted to get all of your > experienced opinions before I made my final purchase. > > Thanks for the help! > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dgb100 at psu.edu Sat Oct 16 15:05:02 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 09:05:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer In-Reply-To: <303121415.549327.1287233581803.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <303121415.549327.1287233581803.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I've owned a couple Yamahas, including a K-1200 and a KX690 (I think, Dolby S unit) and they were both outstanding sounding units. I had a Dragon and a CR-5 at the time and the only place they didn't measure up were the bass and to a lesser extent, the depth of soundstage. But the other featurs like a remote control, auto cal, real time counter, Dolby S or dbx, really made it close. In the high frequences the KX690 beat them all. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net [perry.nak at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 8:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer And that, Julie, is why so many of us have so many decks. I don't own so many for just ownership sake, but because each one has either a unique feature or sound or significance. FWIW, the B710 and B215 are almost identical transports, but I've heard from others that the B710 is often considered more "musical". It also lacks Dolby C, like the 680ZX, which may or may not be important to you. (sounds like not) I'm surprised you found the controls of the B710 easier to use than a 680ZX, and the 680ZX is about the prettiest deck they ever made. The FL meters are to die for, blow any LED meters out the water, in looks, resolution, and function. (FWIW, I also agree 100% with Bala about the $#!^ LCD meters on the B215. A change made merely because LCDs were fairly new and "high tech" in 1980. They are also a frequent Achilles heel and a reason some become parts decks, as they are irreplaceable. I bought my second one cheap as and for a parts deck, but it turned out it only need all new caps and a transport service, and it was as good as (better now actually) new.) I'm not at all surprised about the Pioneers. The CT-1250 was about the only one that it's performance matched it's looks, and it sucks to work on. Another inexpensive set of decks, with excellent sound, and nice meters, are the Yamahas. In the "ultra cheap class" (under $50) the K-960 is a perennial favorite with very natural sound for a 2 head deck, excellent buid quality, nice specs, dolby B and dbx, then the era TOTL K-1020, and KX-1200 all have B, C, and dbx, and are very easy to use, cal tapes with and work with, and use the same Sankyo transport as the later Naks. They can be had in the $150 range, in perfect working and cosmetic condition. BTW, I'm not a huge fan of the use of 10xx series Duals, I've owned a few, and while built like tanks in some respects, with excellent tone arms, they are as difficult to work on as tanks often. Plus, idler tire rim drive TTs, while great for torque are just rumble beasts. The only TTs I've ever used a subsonic (rumble) filter on has been Duals. Their spring suspensions are useless. From lenaw at flash.net Sat Oct 16 16:20:35 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 07:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Revox versus Nakamichi versus Pioneer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <696418.15171.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ms. Kessler:                           Very enlightened writing and listening experience. There has been numerous discussions in related to this matter in the past over everywhere and since listening experience is very subjective among everyone, I find out that it is more enjoyable by just perform your own listening comparsion and pick what your own pair of ears like the most. Again different types of musical contents may yield inconclusive results as no deck in the world (IMHO) is perfect. Happy Listening, Mike ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 5:50:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Revox versus Nakamichi versus Pioneer Hi All, I have been reading with interest the posts about the difference between Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B215 and Pioneer cassette decks. This really got me curious because the studio here has the Nakamichi 680ZX and a Revox B710, and I found some Pioneer cassette deck in "The Graveyard," the back closet where of equipment is kept for whatever reason. So I asked if we could have a listening party with all the cassette decks in the studio, and we did. wow, it was  areal learning experience for me. forgive my ignorance, I just didn't realize there was such a big difference in how cassette decks sound, and some of them just sound so good it's still awesome to me. We fed the same mix from the Kermit's customized Tascam 80-8 to each deck, then compared playbacks. TDK SA tape was used, and Dave the studio tech made sure all the cassette decks were biased right for the tapes. Anyway, here's how things went for me: Nakamichi 680ZX -- really lively sound, astounding bass. Detailed and fun to listen to, but I could tell when the input was switched to tape, it seemed a bit brighter and bass seemed punchier, guitars and mandolin seemed to have more sense of attack, and vocals seemed pushed back in the mix a bit; reverb was emphasized. Revox B710 -- seemed really natural and accurate, musical balances were unchanged; it was really hard for me to hear the difference between input monitor and the tape, except the treble seemed maybe just a bit less airy, don't know how to describe it -- really accurate but sterile? Bass seemed clear but not punch, and the sense of reverb wasn't as acute. Pioneer CT-4141 -- really awful, mandolin and guitar seemed brittle (the flutter and wow issue some of you talked about?), treble was dull, I couldn't hear the kick drum or the bass guitar at all. Honestly it sounded like an AM radio. Pioneer CT-F7171 -- like the CT-4141, but the treble was a bit clearer, guitars didn't sound jangly but mandolin did, and I could hear the kick drum and bass guitar but both sounded muddy. Pioneer CT-F7272 -- sounded okay, but all closed in, mandolin sounded harsh, everything sounded canned and artificial, no sense of reverb. Kick drum sounded muddy, bass guitar was loud but lacked sense of power. Pioneer CT-F9191 -- If I hadn't heard the Nakamichi or the Revox, I would have liked it. good sound, but you could always tell when you listened to tape versus the input. Cymbals had a harshness and just sounded lke "shh... shh...." Nakamichi 680ZX versus Revox B710: well, it's a hard decision, but here's how it was for me. The Revox is prettier (I know that doesn't matter, really), and is easier to work, but it seemed fussier about bias and being kept clean. The Revox sounded more accurate to my ear than the Nakakmichi, but the Nakamichi is more fun to listen to. So I'll take both! (How's that for a solution!) -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 16 17:19:07 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 08:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer In-Reply-To: <303121415.549327.1287233581803.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <303121415.549327.1287233581803.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <696265.77812.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Perry, I have a Dual 1010 and never knew what is fascinating about them. Personally, I prefer a Thorens which, irregardless of price gives a good performance like Nakamichi. The only idler drive TT which I love, is the Thorens 124 - but it's a belt and idler drive and there lies the difference! Thorens made some beautiful arms that are often overlooked and underrated. But today, they do carry a small premium. Bala ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 8:53:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer And that, Julie, is why so many of us have so many decks. I don't own so many for just ownership sake, but because each one has either a unique feature or sound or significance. FWIW, the B710 and B215 are almost identical transports, but I've heard from others that the B710 is often considered more "musical". It also lacks Dolby C, like the 680ZX, which may or may not be important to you. (sounds like not) I'm surprised you found the controls of the B710 easier to use than a 680ZX, and the 680ZX is about the prettiest deck they ever made. The FL meters are to die for, blow any LED meters out the water, in looks, resolution, and function. (FWIW, I also agree 100% with Bala about the $#!^ LCD meters on the B215. A change made merely because LCDs were fairly new and "high tech" in 1980. They are also a frequent Achilles heel and a reason some become parts decks, as they are irreplaceable. I bought my second one cheap as and for a parts deck, but it turned out it only need all new caps and a transport service, and it was as good as (better now actually) new.) I'm not at all surprised about the Pioneers. The CT-1250 was about the only one that it's performance matched it's looks, and it sucks to work on. Another inexpensive set of decks, with excellent sound, and nice meters, are the Yamahas. In the "ultra cheap class" (under $50) the K-960 is a perennial favorite with very natural sound for a 2 head deck, excellent buid quality, nice specs, dolby B and dbx, then the era TOTL K-1020, and KX-1200 all have B, C, and dbx, and are very easy to use, cal tapes with and work with, and use the same Sankyo transport as the later Naks. They can be had in the $150 range, in perfect working and cosmetic condition. BTW, I'm not a huge fan of the use of 10xx series Duals, I've owned a few, and while built like tanks in some respects, with excellent tone arms, they are as difficult to work on as tanks often. Plus, idler tire rim drive TTs, while great for torque are just rumble beasts. The only TTs I've ever used a subsonic (rumble) filter on has been Duals. Their spring suspensions are useless. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 16 19:33:54 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: References: <201010131246.o9DCjA7U000335@zxe.naks.com> <427588.67401.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <139986.50421.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred, Looking at the transport of the Technics decks, I can understand why they didn't the published W/F figure despite all that engineering. I absolutely love the Technics M95, if only for the W/F which otherwise seems to be the only handicap of this fine machine. Wow and Flutter is important (and very audible!) , and amazingly Nakamichi pulled off impressive performances with a seemingly simple system. How does the Teac A4300 compare to the 3340 in terms of sound? I have the 4300, but one of the FETs had a corroded leg and one channel does not have sound. I can't seem to get that part. Bala ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 2:28:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks Bala, Technics (I was a manager in the Panasonic Service Division for six years and previously was an authorized servicer) and Teac made nice decks, but they could never get the wow-and-flutter figure (as actually measured in the field) less than about .1% w&f rms. The problem was - many audiophiles could hear this. On the other hand, the Technics RS-1500 series reel-to-reels was utterly outstanding, and in the mid and late seventies Teac reel-to-reels (e.g. A-3340) were spectacular. As I write this, we have a Technics RS-1500 series reel-to-reel in for repair. Sadly, it is a wounded warrior. Oh . . . JVC took their shot as well. Again, some nice decks - but the w&f figure just wasn't that spectacular. * * * * * Shanti, Now you know why I drop by this Nakamichi forum. In the final analysis, cassette-deck-wise Nakamichi is the BEST brand. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Fred, > >I would say Technics in the 70s and Teac in the 80s also were worthy contenders >with fine decks. When listened on their own, Aiwa decks had a wonderful sound - >and the build quality of their FRTS decks were just awesome. > > >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks < > >Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 5:22:39 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks > > >I am a long-time Pioneer fan, but in my opinion, having serviced many hundreds >of Pioneer cassette decks from the 1970's to the present day, I don't think >Pioneer has EVER made a cassette deck with a wow-and-flutter figure measurable >in the field, rather than on some spec sheet, that is even close to Nakamichi >standards. Even the modest BX-1 will run circles around the most coveted Pioneer >cassettes. > >The only competition to Nak is -- Revox, Tandberg (briefly), Aiwa (for a few >years in the 1980's and 1990's). > > >Fred >Classic Audio Repair >www.repairaudio.com > >* * * * *s > > >On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, RSB wrote: > >The WSJ article references some new cassette decks actually still being made >>today. Good 'ol Pioneer just won't give up! Who wouda thunk. Here is an >>example - >> >>http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AudioCompo >>nents/CassettePlayers/Pioneer/ci.CT-W606DR.Kuro >> >>Rob >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Oct 16 21:30:49 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:30:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi with microphone inputs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good to know my old 550 still goes strong! Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 16/10/2010, a las 12:47, Fergus Cullen escribió: > Hi Julie > > I've been using a 550 for a few years now and it's awesome. I use it > primarily for recording and playback of these recordings. Nothing > else. And it's great with good dynamic or condenser mics as long as > you have the right cables. > > Fergus > > > > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Julie Kessler > wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I'm almost ready to buy my first Nakamichi cassette, but had a quick >> question. I just realized I need microphone inputs, and I don't want to have >> to use a separate microphone preamp. Are the only models that have mike >> inputs the 500, 550, 700, and 1000? Or were there newer models that had mike >> inputs? Oh, my microphone is an AKG D160E modified by Kermit, so I need a >> mike input that can handle dynamic mikes. I wanted to get all of your >> experienced opinions before I made my final purchase. >> >> Thanks for the help! >> >> -- >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >> http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Oct 16 17:44:02 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 08:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks-Now Nak/Tandberg comparisons In-Reply-To: <201010161017.o9GA8ffF016558@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010161017.o9GA8ffF016558@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <636678.55214.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks Ram! I'll have to defect to someone like yourself who has actually owned one in top condition, as I've never had the pleasure. I own three Tandberg R2R's, but parts are even more unobtainium for their top cassette models. However, the Tandberg doesn't have "sandwiched" heads. Kevin From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 12:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks Hi Kevin, And I am talking about a Tandberg TCD 3014A that I had completely overhauled by The Soundsmith( the ESL for Tandbergs) in Peekskill, NY at a cost of $840....US. The Nak ZXL Limited( ESL serviced),2 other regular ZXLs( Willy restored), the ESL serviced 680ZX literally gave hell to the Tandberg, although the Tandberg was a phenomenally superb machine. Was, because I sold it on ebay for megabucks( to cover my mega cost) to a happy buyer. I presume the internal electronics and the sandwiched heads on the Tandbergs and the Studer/Revox machines do have a disadvantage over Naks. Just my humble subjective opinion. ....and I bought and had these other makes high end decks serviced and compared in my system to satisfy my curiosity. First hand. Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solexny at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 21:00:16 2010 From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:00:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer In-Reply-To: <696265.77812.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <303121415.549327.1287233581803.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <696265.77812.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: AR-XA you will be amazed.... On 10/16/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Perry, > > I have a Dual 1010 and never knew what is fascinating about them. > Personally, I > prefer a Thorens which, irregardless of price gives a good performance like > Nakamichi. The only idler drive TT which I love, is the Thorens 124 - but > it's a > belt and idler drive and there lies the difference! Thorens made some > beautiful > arms that are often overlooked and underrated. But today, they do carry a > small > premium. > > > Bala > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 8:53:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer > > > And that, Julie, is why so many of us have so many decks. I don't own so > many > for just ownership sake, but because each one has either a unique feature or > sound or significance. FWIW, the B710 and B215 are almost identical > transports, > but I've heard from others that the B710 is often considered more "musical". > It > also lacks Dolby C, like the 680ZX, which may or may not be important to > you. > (sounds like not) I'm surprised you found the controls of the B710 easier to > use > than a 680ZX, and the 680ZX is about the prettiest deck they ever made. The > FL > meters are to die for, blow any LED meters out the water, in looks, > resolution, > and function. (FWIW, I also agree 100% with Bala about the $#!^ LCD meters > on > the B215. A change made merely because LCDs were fairly new and "high tech" > in > 1980. They are also a frequent Achilles heel and a reason some become parts > decks, as they are irreplaceable. I bought my second one cheap as and for a > parts deck, but it turned out it only need all new caps and a transport > service, > and it was as good as (better now actually) new.) I'm not at all surprised > about the Pioneers. The CT-1250 was about the only one that it's > performance > matched it's looks, and it sucks to work on. > > Another inexpensive set of decks, with excellent sound, and nice meters, are > the > Yamahas. In the "ultra cheap class" (under $50) the K-960 is a perennial > favorite with very natural sound for a 2 head deck, excellent buid quality, > nice > specs, dolby B and dbx, then the era TOTL K-1020, and KX-1200 all have B, C, > and > dbx, and are very easy to use, cal tapes with and work with, and use the > same > Sankyo transport as the later Naks. They can be had in the $150 range, in > perfect working and cosmetic condition. > > BTW, I'm not a huge fan of the use of 10xx series Duals, I've owned a few, > and > while built like tanks in some respects, with excellent tone arms, they are > as > difficult to work on as tanks often. Plus, idler tire rim drive TTs, while > great > for torque are just rumble beasts. The only TTs I've ever used a subsonic > (rumble) filter on has been Duals. Their spring suspensions are useless. > > > -- Sent from my mobile device From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Sat Oct 16 21:54:57 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:54:57 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi with microphone inputs References: Message-ID: Any of those will do Julie, even the 'humble' 500...buy on condition as always. The 700's and 1000's... (original and II models) have the benefit of real time monitoring which always make it easier to tweak your mic array on the run, but are bears to lug around for any off site live recordings. No worries for studio work. >From my own albeit limited experience, 550 for remote locations(that's a no brainer) , and 1000 II for studio. cheers Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi with microphone inputs Hi All, I'm almost ready to buy my first Nakamichi cassette, but had a quick question. I just realized I need microphone inputs, and I don't want to have to use a separate microphone preamp. Are the only models that have mike inputs the 500, 550, 700, and 1000? Or were there newer models that had mike inputs? Oh, my microphone is an AKG D160E modified by Kermit, so I need a mike input that can handle dynamic mikes. I wanted to get all of your experienced opinions before I made my final purchase. Thanks for the help! -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Naks are great machines, Tandberg's are great machines, as are Revox's, and top end Japanese top end Pioneers, TEAC's, Technics, Akai's and Aiwa's. In my experience they all do things slightly differently to each other, and which is better depends largely upon that unique device attached to each side of your head. The comment "Nakamichi sound" below sums it up nicely. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks I do not know why some individuals can not imbibe what others have to truthfully state( their experience, ownership, service history) on naktalk. Let us keep at the naktalk( This is Naktalk) instead of bickering at each other and turning this forum into a firing squad for some. I do not want to insult any one but please do not force me to! Thank you. Ram. --- On Fri, 10/15/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 3:42 AM The last time I remembered, this is Naktalk. Not the Vanity Fair magazine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 12:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks Hi Kevin, And I am talking about a Tandberg TCD 3014A that I had completely overhauled by The Soundsmith( the ESL for Tandbergs) in Peekskill, NY at a cost of $840....US. The Nak ZXL Limited( ESL serviced),2 other regular ZXLs( Willy restored), the ESL serviced 680ZX literally gave hell to the Tandberg, although the Tandberg was a phenomenally superb machine. Was, because I sold it on ebay for megabucks( to cover my mega cost) to a happy buyer. I presume the internal electronics and the sandwiched heads on the Tandbergs and the Studer/Revox machines do have a disadvantage over Naks. Just my humble subjective opinion. ....and I bought and had these other makes high end decks serviced and compared in my system to satisfy my curiosity. First hand. Ram. --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:12 AM Hey Ram, MANY audiophiles think the Tandberg 3014A is clearly the winner over any top-end Nak, in both record and playback. I've never owned or seen one, even though someone falsely posted (as me) at Asylum that I had. It would be more than interesting to see a shoot-out between the two, both technical and subjective listening tests. Kevin Message: 12 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <808420.16438.qm at web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fred, Interesting observation by you. I have had the opportunity to compare the Revox B215, ( 2 units), Studer A721, Tandberg TCD 3014A with the uber Naks, but never an Aiwa or a Pioneer. I have also compared an Alpine Al90 with the aforementioned Naks and every time I have come away stunned by the Nakamichi sound! The difference is readily evident. The closest any deck came to matching the Naks ( I am talking 680zx, Cr7,Dragon, ZX9 and ZXLs) was the Tandberg followed by the STuder and then the Revox. But the Naks just outwitted the others in rec/playback by a long shot.There was just no real competition here at all! This includes recording and playback. 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URL: From tonynelson at georgeanelson.com Sun Oct 17 00:11:25 2010 From: tonynelson at georgeanelson.com (Tony Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:11:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A sticks in Record after 30 secs In-Reply-To: <1287163505.22199.0@localhost.localdomain> (from tonynelson@georgeanelson.com on Fri Oct 15 13:25:05 2010) Message-ID: <1287267085.31715.0@localhost.localdomain> OK, I got some freeze spray and it does seem that IC603 is bad. Where should I get a Nakamichi B11020A (8818H) TMP4315BP-1814 Transport Control MPU in the USA? Would it be cheaper to buy a whole CR-1 on eBay? On 10-10-15 13:25:05, Tony Nelson wrote: > I have a CR-1A bought new quite a while ago that, just after the end > of the warranty, started going crazy about 30 secs after first power- > up. I'm taking another look at it now, and it behaves properly for > the first 30 secs or so and then gets stuck in Record+Stop, and no > longer responds to the transport control buttons. Using a CR-2 > manual, the inputs to the Transport Control MPU IC603 look good and > don't seem to change at the time it goes mad. I'm inclined to think > that IC603 is bad, except that MPUs don't usually do anything > reasonable when they fail. If the cassette door is left open, the > change to Record mode is delayed until the door is closed. Nothing > seems warm, but I don't have any freeze spray (and ice on IC603 did > nothing), and don't know where to get any close by (lazy/cheap). > Again, I stress that the transport behaves properly until something > warms up, so it shouldn't be the Control motor or the cam switches -- > their outputs look OK at IC603. Vdd looks fine on my Tek DMM. > > In your experience, is this probably the Transport Control MPU IC603 > or something else? > > If it is IC603, where should I get a replacement? -- ____________________________________________________________________ TonyN.:' ' From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 00:33:35 2010 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:33:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi with microphone inputs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Luis, she sounds as good as the day she was born (or arrived in the post from Spain!). Thanks. The 550 is heavy but easy to carry around for live recording. I alternate between 2 Sennheiser K3u condensers (Thanks Neil!) and 2 MD441s. I don't plan to use any other set up as long as I live. From bivouacmusic at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 01:01:09 2010 From: bivouacmusic at gmail.com (Terence Lloren) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 07:01:09 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 for cassette archiving, also Sony TCD5 vs. Nak 550 Message-ID: Hi all, I am a sound recordist/artist and am planning a field recording project using cassette tapes. I am using a NOS (new old stock) Sony TC-D5 Pro (its a beaut!) and also have an option of buying a NOS unopened Nak DR-10. I plan to use the Nak for playing back to tapes to my computer to digitize it for archive on the internet and for posterity. Any pros/ cons for using the DR10? Problems, quirks, etc that I should know about? I realize the frequency response of Audio tapes is limited compared to today's digital standards but after reading some of the posts of the more seasoned Nak owners, perhaps I have not really heard a Nak before! I am not looking to break the bank but I am looking for a reliable, dependable machine that will provide consistent service and a high quality playback for over 500 hours of audio footage. While we are at it, I would like to hear if anyone has an opinion between the Sony tcd5 (any version) vs. Nak 550? (Perhaps this questions should be in another post/ section?) Thanks in advance! Terence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at dadstoys.com Sun Oct 17 01:02:20 2010 From: jeff at dadstoys.com (Jeff Atchison) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:02:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <3D600710A7E2433A80D9B8869FDFA37A@desktop> References: <431744.79562.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3D600710A7E2433A80D9B8869FDFA37A@desktop> Message-ID: <006e01cb6d86$3060b300$91221900$@com> Not sure if this appropriate or not as I am new to this forum but I have a RX-202 that I'm going to sell. Can anyone offer any advice on the value of it? It seems to be working perfectly and even the auto-flip-reverse works perfectly. Thanks, Jeff Atchison From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Martin Short Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 3:57 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks Vanity Fair??... must admit, that comment tickled me a bit!! In any 'mine is better than yours' debate.. which is where this topic seemed to be heading, there are always going to be two or three incontrovertible 'positions'. If anyone is guilty of anything on this forum, it is of 'extreme enthusiasm' for Nakamichi Cassette Decks.. nothing wrong with that and it is why we are here for the most part, just as Tandberg has it's disciples. As in most of life, choice is a personal thing... Naks are great machines, Tandberg's are great machines, as are Revox's, and top end Japanese top end Pioneers, TEAC's, Technics, Akai's and Aiwa's. In my experience they all do things slightly differently to each other, and which is better depends largely upon that unique device attached to each side of your head. The comment "Nakamichi sound" below sums it up nicely. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks I do not know why some individuals can not imbibe what others have to truthfully state( their experience, ownership, service history) on naktalk. Let us keep at the naktalk( This is Naktalk) instead of bickering at each other and turning this forum into a firing squad for some. I do not want to insult any one but please do not force me to! Thank you. Ram. --- On Fri, 10/15/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 3:42 AM The last time I remembered, this is Naktalk. Not the Vanity Fair magazine. _____ From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 12:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks Hi Kevin, And I am talking about a Tandberg TCD 3014A that I had completely overhauled by The Soundsmith( the ESL for Tandbergs) in Peekskill, NY at a cost of $840....US. The Nak ZXL Limited( ESL serviced),2 other regular ZXLs( Willy restored), the ESL serviced 680ZX literally gave hell to the Tandberg, although the Tandberg was a phenomenally superb machine. Was, because I sold it on ebay for megabucks( to cover my mega cost) to a happy buyer. I presume the internal electronics and the sandwiched heads on the Tandbergs and the Studer/Revox machines do have a disadvantage over Naks. Just my humble subjective opinion. ....and I bought and had these other makes high end decks serviced and compared in my system to satisfy my curiosity. First hand. Ram. --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:12 AM Hey Ram, MANY audiophiles think the Tandberg 3014A is clearly the winner over any top-end Nak, in both record and playback. I've never owned or seen one, even though someone falsely posted (as me) at Asylum that I had. It would be more than interesting to see a shoot-out between the two, both technical and subjective listening tests. Kevin Message: 12 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <808420.16438.qm at web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fred, Interesting observation by you. I have had the opportunity to compare the Revox B215, ( 2 units), Studer A721, Tandberg TCD 3014A with the uber Naks, but never an Aiwa or a Pioneer. I have also compared an Alpine Al90 with the aforementioned Naks and every time I have come away stunned by the Nakamichi sound! The difference is readily evident. The closest any deck came to matching the Naks ( I am talking 680zx, Cr7,Dragon, ZX9 and ZXLs) was the Tandberg followed by the STuder and then the Revox. But the Naks just outwitted the others in rec/playback by a long shot.There was just no real competition here at all! This includes recording and playback. 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Fred Fred Longworth Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Tony Nelson wrote: > I have a CR-1A bought new quite a while ago that, just after the end of > the warranty, started going crazy about 30 secs after first power-up. > I'm taking another look at it now, and it behaves properly for the > first 30 secs or so and then gets stuck in Record+Stop, and no longer > responds to the transport control buttons. Using a CR-2 manual, the > inputs to the Transport Control MPU IC603 look good and don't seem to > change at the time it goes mad. I'm inclined to think that IC603 is > bad, except that MPUs don't usually do anything reasonable when they > fail. If the cassette door is left open, the change to Record mode is > delayed until the door is closed. Nothing seems warm, but I don't have > any freeze spray (and ice on IC603 did nothing), and don't know where > to get any close by (lazy/cheap). 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 17 06:20:28 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <3D600710A7E2433A80D9B8869FDFA37A@desktop> References: <431744.79562.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3D600710A7E2433A80D9B8869FDFA37A@desktop> Message-ID: <157097.24134.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Martin, The fact that the moderators allowed the post speaks the mood of most Naktalk members. Everyone here is fair and equal, irrespective of how much money one can afford to throw or how many Naks a person have. A person having a bunch of ZXLs does not sit on a higher plane then a guy with a single vintage 350 or 550. The 'best' always remains subjective and a lot of it depends on the circumstances. Which is why most of us keep a number of decks, and despite having a clear favorite, we don't throw the rest out. But if the post starts to bleat about how much a person spent and how far he went for his hobby, that just reflects how insensitive and shallow that person could be. Many of us have commitments and limitations as how far we can commit to this hobby, but that does not make anyonea lesser individual. These kind of posts have repeatedly done so and the number of private mails I am getting has made me decide that it is about time something is done. At this point I urge members to keep discussions relevant and not to make other members feel lousy because their toilets do not have a ZXL installed. Saavy? Bala ________________________________ From: Martin Short To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 4:57:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks Vanity Fair??... must admit, that comment tickled me a bit!! In any 'mine is better than yours' debate.. which is where this topic seemed to be heading, there are always going to be two or three incontrovertible 'positions'. If anyone is guilty of anything on this forum, it is of 'extreme enthusiasm' for Nakamichi Cassette Decks.. nothing wrong with that and it is why we are here for the most part, just as Tandberg has it's disciples. As in most of life, choice is a personal thing... Naks are great machines, Tandberg's are great machines, as are Revox's, and top end Japanese top end Pioneers, TEAC's, Technics, Akai's and Aiwa's. In my experience they all do things slightly differently to each other, and which is better depends largely upon that unique device attached to each side of your head. The comment "Nakamichi sound" below sums it up nicely. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 2:29 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks > > >I do not know why some individuals can not imbibe what others have to >truthfully state( their experience, ownership, service history) on >naktalk. > > >Let us keep at the naktalk( This is Naktalk) instead of bickering at >each other and turning this forum into a firing squad for some. > >I do not want to insult any one but please do not force me to! > >Thank you. > >Ram. > >--- On Fri, 10/15/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 3:42 AM >> >> >> >>The last time I remembered, this is Naktalk. Not the Vanity Fair >>magazine. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 12:50:03 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks >> >> >>Hi Kevin, >> >>And I am talking about a Tandberg TCD 3014A that I had >>completely overhauled by The Soundsmith( the ESL for Tandbergs) >>in Peekskill, NY at a cost of $840....US. >> >>The Nak ZXL Limited( ESL serviced),2 other regular ZXLs( Willy >>restored), the ESL serviced 680ZX literally gave hell to the >>Tandberg, although the Tandberg was a phenomenally superb >>machine. Was, because I sold it on ebay for megabucks( to cover >>my mega cost) to a happy buyer. >> >>I presume the internal electronics and the sandwiched heads on >>the Tandbergs and the Studer/Revox machines do have a >>disadvantage over Naks. >> >>Just my humble subjective opinion. >> >>....and I bought and had these other makes high end decks >>serviced and compared in my system to satisfy my curiosity. >>First hand. >> >>Ram. >> >> >> >>--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Kevin Fetner >wrote: >> >> >>>From: Kevin Fetner >>>Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:12 AM >>> >>> >>> >>>Hey Ram, >>>MANY audiophiles think the Tandberg 3014A is clearly the >>>winner over any top-end Nak, in both record and playback. >>>I've never owned or seen one, even though someone falsely >>>posted (as me) at Asylum that I had. It would be more than >>>interesting to see a shoot-out between the two, both technical >>>and subjective listening tests. >>> >>>Kevin >>> >>>Message: 12 >>>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:05:22 -0700 (PDT) >>>From: shanti ramachandran >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Message-ID: <808420.16438.qm at web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>>Hi Fred, >>> >>>Interesting observation by you. >>> >>>I have had the opportunity to compare the Revox B215, ( 2 >>>units), Studer A721, Tandberg TCD 3014A with the uber Naks, >>>but never an Aiwa or a Pioneer. I have also compared an >>>Alpine Al90 with the aforementioned Naks and every time I >>>have come away stunned by the Nakamichi sound! The difference >>>is readily evident. >>> >>>The closest any deck came to matching the Naks ( I am talking >>>680zx, Cr7,Dragon, ZX9 and ZXLs) was the Tandberg followed by >>>the STuder and then the Revox. >>> >>>But the Naks just outwitted the others in rec/playback by a >>>long shot.There was just no real competition here at all! >>>This includes recording and playback. >>> >>>Just my observation....don't think I need to spend time on a >>>Pioneer or an Aiwa anymore. >>> >>>Do I? >>> >>>Ram. >>>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com >>>mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 17 02:34:42 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:34:42 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is probably a really stupid question - go ahead and laugh. Is it okay to temporarily replace an orange mylar cap with either a ceramic cap or a film cap of the same value just to see if a particular cap could be the problem? Thanks, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Oct 17 13:48:23 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Caps Message-ID: <1175005448.581694.1287316103434.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Not a stupid question, I once wondered the same thing. Use polyester to replace polypropylene (orange caps). The only difference is possibly a sonic one. 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Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > This is probably a really stupid question – go ahead and laugh. > > > > Is it okay to temporarily replace an orange mylar cap with either a ceramic > cap or a film cap of the same value just to see if a particular cap could be > the problem? > > > > Thanks, > > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Oct 17 14:03:52 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII Message-ID: <1755238373.581926.1287317032775.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While I love the Studer decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, where it was powered on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem motors, just plain worn out is the usual reason. I never understood why a simple motor shut down circuit, based on no key activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, Revox, and others. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 17 17:26:37 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks-Now Nak/Tandberg comparisons In-Reply-To: <636678.55214.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <503950.39782.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, I already corrected that mistake in an earlier post. The Tandberg (3014A) does have discrete heads. Sorry! My post perhaps rubbed  one individual the wrong way for all the wrong reason/s. We are a Nakamichi lovers groups and we should refrain from personal attacks and such.I for one will certainly back off from such personal attacks no matter what! The reason for my mentioning the model numbers and the servicers names was to make a point about the condition of the decks being compared  and not to show off or put some one else down.I have much better things to do than be vain! Finally, A ZXL for the bathroom! Hmmmm....a splendid thought indeed. Need to plan and go to work on it now! Willy, Jeff( Galin)  need some help here !:0) Ram. --- On Sat, 10/16/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks-Now Nak/Tandberg comparisons To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 11:44 AM Thanks Ram! I'll have to defect to someone like yourself who has actually owned one in top condition, as I've never had the pleasure.  I own three Tandberg R2R's, but parts are even more unobtainium for their top cassette models. However, the Tandberg doesn't have "sandwiched" heads. Kevin From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 12:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: Pioneer NEW Cassette Decks Hi Kevin, And I am talking about a Tandberg TCD 3014A that I had completely overhauled by The Soundsmith( the ESL for Tandbergs) in Peekskill, NY at a cost of $840....US. The Nak ZXL Limited( ESL serviced),2 other regular ZXLs( Willy restored), the ESL serviced 680ZX literally gave hell to the Tandberg, although the Tandberg was a phenomenally superb machine. Was, because I sold it on ebay for megabucks( to cover my mega cost) to a happy buyer. I presume the internal electronics and the sandwiched heads on the Tandbergs and the Studer/Revox machines do have a disadvantage over Naks. Just my humble subjective opinion. ....and I bought and had these other makes high end decks serviced and compared in my system to satisfy my curiosity. First hand. Ram. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Oct 17 18:33:43 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Caps In-Reply-To: <1175005448.581694.1287316103434.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <458344.67919.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Perry it is preferable to keep the PP caps and I also would recommend WIMA PP caps for replacements. Nothing will happen with Polyuester Cap replacement - better than malfunctioning Orange caps but quality suffers ( if you have a high resolution system , you can hear the difference) You will find that Nakamichi used PP caps 30 years ago! whwrever the cap mentioned with G prefix ( lower tolerance) Nak used PP caps kannan   --- On Sun, 10/17/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Nak Caps To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 7:48 AM #yiv1951913983 p {margin:0;} Not a stupid question, I once wondered the same thing. Use polyester to replace polypropylene (orange caps). The only difference is possibly a sonic one. Electrolytics have to be replaced with electrolytics. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 17 19:57:54 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 07:57:54 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yep, I already screwed up one solder pad when socketing the Dolby chips and had to run a jumper wire to the next component. It worked okay but it looks pretty ugly. Can you buy foil and cut little pieces to repair any screw-ups? Cool! Thanks for the info! Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 1:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak caps Yes. Make sure you solder carefully, and if the "test cap" is large, make sure it doesn't tear circuit foil. Technicians do this all the time. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: This is probably a really stupid question - go ahead and laugh. Is it okay to temporarily replace an orange mylar cap with either a ceramic cap or a film cap of the same value just to see if a particular cap could be the problem? 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It is very easy for the user to learn to synchronize this with recording a phonograph record. You just energize the RECORD function and then you cue down. But myths are myths. Many designers left off the feature. Kenwood and Pioneer even made "casseivers" that allowed the cassette motor to run even when the FM radio was playing! Suffice it to say, these sets burned out cassette motors early on. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:03 AM, wrote: > Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). > While I love the Studer > decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station > deck, where it was powered > on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem > motors, just plain worn out > is the usual reason. I never understood why a simple motor shut down > circuit, based on no key > activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, > Revox, and others. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 07:31:16 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <592906.63200.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Cheryl, The boards on Nakamichi is not too robust and you will come to learn that! The best way is to introduce some new flux core solder in order to wet the joint, and use soder wick to cleanly remove the solder. A good temperature regulated iron is a must and those cheapo DIY store mains types should be avoided. If the foil inevitably tears, use some thin gauge wire to jumper - that is the most effective and robust solution. If you are replacing the orange caps, which is something you might as well do entirely since you are at it, is to use Polystyrene caps of high tolerance. These give much better performance and reliability then Polypropylene ones. They are much bigger and will not drop into the mounting holes directly, so some gently shaping with tweezers are necessary. However, ensure that the caps are well seated firmly on the board at least on one end and are not prone to movement. Vibration and continuous movement will impact performance of capacitors. Bala ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 1:57:54 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak caps Yep, I already screwed up one solder pad when socketing the Dolby chips and had to run a jumper wire to the next component. It worked okay but it looks pretty ugly. Can you buy foil and cut little pieces to repair any screw-ups? Cool! Thanks for the info! Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 1:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak caps Yes. Make sure you solder carefully, and if the "test cap" is large, make sure it doesn't tear circuit foil. Technicians do this all the time. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: This is probably a really stupid question – go ahead and laugh. Is it okay to temporarily replace an orange mylar cap with either a ceramic cap or a film cap of the same value just to see if a particular cap could be the problem? Thanks, Cheryl ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave. , Ste's E and F San Diego , CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 17 20:23:18 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:23:18 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Caps In-Reply-To: <1175005448.581694.1287316103434.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1175005448.581694.1287316103434.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks Perry. I printed the schematic and got out the magnifying glass to read it. It appears that C212 has got to be the problem on the 581. It is the only one that is in the circuit for the right channel with Dolby ON or MPX, and it gets switched out of circuit with Dolby OFF. It's an orange drop cap. It reads "333 G 100B" and has a circle with an "N". Still learning to decipher these things, but think 333G means 33,000pf with 2% tolerance. Is that correct? The closest I could find was one with 5% tolerance. Not a clue as to what the rest of the coding means. The replacement is on order but won't be here for at least a week and I'd like to try a temporary cap. Radio shack has lots of the cylinder style film caps and ceramics (and electrolytic) but not much in the way of poly/ PP. Living in the middle of the Big Pond does present problems obtaining this stuff in a reasonable amount of time and RS is unfortunately the only local source. Their stock drawers are a total disaster and the folks working there don't know much of anything about electronic components. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 1:48 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak Caps Not a stupid question, I once wondered the same thing. Use polyester to replace polypropylene (orange caps). The only difference is possibly a sonic one. 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While this matches my own experience with other equipment, I measured the signals at the MPU pins and all the inputs are OK, the switches are responsive, and the inputs do not change after 30 secs (less when warm) when the mode changes to Record+Stop. I did get some Freeze spray. Freeze spray on the MPU delays the change to Record+Stop until after the ice melts. I have resoldered all the MPU pins. If it's not the MPU, it's not clear how it could be anything else. > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Tony Nelson > wrote: > > > I have a CR-1A bought new quite a while ago that, just after the > > end of the warranty, started going crazy about 30 secs after first > > power-up. I'm taking another look at it now, and it behaves > > properly for the first 30 secs or so and then gets stuck in > > Record+Stop, and no longer responds to the transport control > > buttons. Using a CR-2 manual, the inputs to the Transport Control > > MPU IC603 look good and don't seem to change at the time it goes > > mad. I'm inclined to think that IC603 is bad, except that MPUs > > don't usually do anything reasonable when they fail. If the > > cassette door is left open, the change to Record mode is > > delayed until the door is closed. Nothing seems warm, but I don't > > have any freeze spray (and ice on IC603 did nothing), and don't > > know where to get any close by (lazy/cheap). Again, I stress that > > the transport behaves properly until something warms up, so it > > shouldn't be the Control motor or the cam switches -- their outputs > > look OK at IC603. Vdd looks fine on my Tek DMM. > > > > In your experience, is this probably the Transport Control MPU > > IC603 or something else? > > > > If it is IC603, where should I get a replacement? -- ____________________________________________________________________ TonyN.:' ' From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Mon Oct 18 13:33:27 2010 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:33:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay record? Message-ID: <008CA5CCEEE6450890C77993C0EB1F0A@superdator> Naktalkers! Yesterday evening a brandnew unused never opened CR-7E packed in its original box , was sold for , hold on to your hats , 3489 USD (2509 EUR) on german Ebay! The same seller also had an brandnew unused RX-505E for sale but i am not sure what final price he recieved for that one. I wonder who the lucky winner is/Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These decks were never built for longevity. Bala ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 8:03:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While I love the Studer decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, where it was powered on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem motors, just plain worn out is the usual reason. I never understood why a simple motor shut down circuit, based on no key activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, Revox, and others. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 15:25:00 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 06:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII In-Reply-To: <1755238373.581926.1287317032775.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <644337.1870.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >  I never understood why a simple motor shut down circuit, based on no > key activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in > Naks, Simple... All mtors require some time of operation to achieve stable oprating temperature, as well as speed accuracy and constancy.  This is not very critical in lower end decks, but is important when ultimate quality is the goal. Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in the higher end decks.  For example, in none of the BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure about the CR-5). -- Ron --- On Sun, 10/17/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:03 AM #yiv1743766007 p {margin:0;}Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While I love the Studer decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, where it was powered on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem motors, just plain worn out is the usual reason.  I never understood why a simple motor shut down circuit, based on no key activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, Revox, and others. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Oct 18 19:39:27 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:39:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. Message-ID: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Hi Folks!! I seem to have a 1000ZXL stuck in a continuous calibration loop. Once you start a calibration process, it stays in the cycle until you stop it. It never finishes the calibration. My question to the community is: Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas? It seems to cycle about every 35 to 40 counts on the counter. In this order: azimuth, bias, eq, level, eq, level ect. at the end it will briefly light up the 120us and start the process over. The tones are being recorded. I should mention the playback freq response is low on the left channel. It has been aligned but the left is showing about 4db lower than the right at 10k and u This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited insides. Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? Vic From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Oct 18 20:14:23 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:14:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak caps Message-ID: <340230982-1287425664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-226112839-@bda2958.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Kanaan, Yes I agree 100%. I use both the Wima and Panasonic ECQs as size and space determine. Cheryl was asking about a temporary replacement to determine fault, so a cheap easy to find polyester is good for that. Personally, once I know the deck is fully functional and close to spec, except for the Dragon I usually just replace the old orange caps. But it's not worth it on a deck with issues that may relegate it to parts deck status. Some of the right size PPs are getting hard to find. Perry Esposito - From my phone From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 04:33:24 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:33:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cheryl, Most techs get very small gauge wire and install tiny jumpers or use the wire to repair damaged foil segments. Clipped leads from capacitors, transistors and resistors also make good repair jumpers. As I recall, there are circuit board DIY kits that allow you to make custom circuit boards using circuit foil with stickum on the back. I haven't ever used these, but that's the only source I know of for replacement foil traces. The soldering rigs at my store are made by Hakko and Tenma. The Hakko is a better product. When I examine the mistakes people make in soldering, the most common error is that the soldering iron used wasn't hot enough. A good hot iron allows a soldering or desoldering job to be done very quickly, with minimum "assault" on foil traces. I find that for close work, solder wick works better than solder sucker bulbs. Make sure you buy the old-style solder wick. The new "environmentally friendly" wick doesn't have enough flux to do the job correctly. Vacuum desoldering rigs are available, but the ones that allow for close work on integrated circuits are quite expensive. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > Yep, I already screwed up one solder pad when socketing the Dolby chips > and had to run a jumper wire to the next component. > > It worked okay but it looks pretty ugly. Can you buy foil and cut little > pieces to repair any screw-ups? > > > > Cool! Thanks for the info! > > Cheryl > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* Sunday, October 17, 2010 1:57 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak caps > > > > Yes. Make sure you solder carefully, and if the "test cap" is large, make > sure it doesn't tear circuit foil. > > Technicians do this all the time. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Cheryl Kaupp > wrote: > > This is probably a really stupid question – go ahead and laugh. > > > > Is it okay to temporarily replace an orange mylar cap with either a ceramic > cap or a film cap of the same value just to see if a particular cap could be > the problem? > > > > Thanks, > > Cheryl > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yesterday evening a brandnew unused never opened CR-7E packed in its original box , was sold for , hold on to your hats , 3489 USD (2509 EUR) on german Ebay! The same seller also had an brandnew unused RX-505E for sale but i am not sure what final price he recieved for that one. I wonder who the lucky winner is/Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Mon Oct 18 22:46:13 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:46:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII In-Reply-To: <520264.31097.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1755238373.581926.1287317032775.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <520264.31097.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They probably didn't think state of the art for home analog recording would be 20 years old in 2010. :) From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII Hi Perry, Most of these decks used sleeve bearings. Such bearings need some 'warm up time' as they need to have movement for the bearings to release the lubricants stored within. Thus, rather then stop and start which was easy to do but would slightly impair the performance of the transports, they must have chosen to run them continuously. I guess as with other things, no one in designing these decks in Japan or Germany would have thought that 30 years on, people will be trying to keep these machines running. These decks were never built for longevity. Bala ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 8:03:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While I love the Studer decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, where it was powered on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem motors, just plain worn out is the usual reason. I never understood why a simple motor shut down circuit, based on no key activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, Revox, and others. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 18 23:07:21 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:07:21 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak caps In-Reply-To: <592906.63200.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <592906.63200.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Bala. I did buy a new Weller iron with the adjustable temp and a tiny tip but am still new to soldering these tiny pads - especially the little ones for the IC's. I should probably find a junk PCB and practice. By "higher tolerance" do mean a lower % rating? Like a 5% is better than a 10%? Or do I have it backwards? Thanks for all your help folks. I have searched everywhere for a service manual for the 581 and the closest I came were SM's for the 580-M and 582 and a single schematic for the 581. So I have NO 581 parts info and the parts and layouts for the 580-M and 582 are both slightly different than the 581. And the plethora of different answers when asking what a cap code means leave me wandering and lost in component land... The guy at Radio Shack said not to get a higher voltage rating on a cap because that is what the cap stores and a higher voltage will blow out my circuit. Lots and lots of misinformation out there and sometimes it is difficult to separate fact from fiction. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:31 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak caps Hi Cheryl, The boards on Nakamichi is not too robust and you will come to learn that! The best way is to introduce some new flux core solder in order to wet the joint, and use soder wick to cleanly remove the solder. A good temperature regulated iron is a must and those cheapo DIY store mains types should be avoided. If the foil inevitably tears, use some thin gauge wire to jumper - that is the most effective and robust solution. If you are replacing the orange caps, which is something you might as well do entirely since you are at it, is to use Polystyrene caps of high tolerance. These give much better performance and reliability then Polypropylene ones. They are much bigger and will not drop into the mounting holes directly, so some gently shaping with tweezers are necessary. However, ensure that the caps are well seated firmly on the board at least on one end and are not prone to movement. Vibration and continuous movement will impact performance of capacitors. Bala _____ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 1:57:54 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak caps Yep, I already screwed up one solder pad when socketing the Dolby chips and had to run a jumper wire to the next component. It worked okay but it looks pretty ugly. Can you buy foil and cut little pieces to repair any screw-ups? Cool! Thanks for the info! Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 1:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak caps Yes. Make sure you solder carefully, and if the "test cap" is large, make sure it doesn't tear circuit foil. Technicians do this all the time. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: This is probably a really stupid question - go ahead and laugh. 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In-Reply-To: <008CA5CCEEE6450890C77993C0EB1F0A@superdator> References: <008CA5CCEEE6450890C77993C0EB1F0A@superdator> Message-ID: <4CBCB8E3.70005@univ-rennes1.fr> Dear Fred & Naktalkers, For the RX-505E brand new boxed, it went for ... 1222,12 Euros cheers bernard Pär Ericsson a écrit : > Naktalkers! > > Yesterday evening a brandnew unused never opened CR-7E packed in its > original box , was sold for , hold on to your hats , 3489 USD (2509 > EUR) on german Ebay! > The same seller also had an brandnew unused RX-505E for sale but i am > not sure what final price he recieved for that one. > > I wonder who the lucky winner is/Pelle. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 23:51:19 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII In-Reply-To: <644337.1870.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <644337.1870.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <34535.16430.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Pretty sure the capstan motor is always turning on the BX-300 as it is a twin of the MR-1 which definately runs the capstan motor. ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 6:25:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII >  I never understood why a simple motor shut down circuit, based on no > key activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in > Naks, Simple... All mtors require some time of operation to achieve stable oprating temperature, as well as speed accuracy and constancy.  This is not very critical in lower end decks, but is important when ultimate quality is the goal. Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in the higher end decks.  For example, in none of the BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure about the CR-5). -- Ron --- On Sun, 10/17/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: >From: perry.nak at comcast.net >Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:03 AM > > >Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While >I love the Studer > > decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, >where it was powered  >on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem motors, >just plain worn out > is the usual reason.  I never understood why a simple motor shut down circuit, >based on no key > activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, >Revox, and others. >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The B215 didn't sound anything lie the B710, and honestly I agree with you, didn't like the B215 either. But the B710 is back on its feet and making beautiful music again. On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 9:20 AM, LENA WONG wrote: > Hi Ms. Kessler: > Very enlightened writing and listening > experience. There has been numerous discussions in related to this matter in > the past over everywhere and since listening experience is very subjective > among everyone, I find out that it is more enjoyable by just perform your > own listening comparsion and pick what your own pair of ears like the most. > Again different types of musical contents may yield inconclusive results as > no deck in the world (IMHO) is perfect. > > > Happy Listening, > Mike > ------------------------------ > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Fri, October 15, 2010 5:50:30 PM > > *Subject:* [naktalk] Revox versus Nakamichi versus Pioneer > > Hi All, > > I have been reading with interest the posts about the difference between > Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B215 and Pioneer cassette decks. This really got me > curious because the studio here has the Nakamichi 680ZX and a Revox B710, > and I found some Pioneer cassette deck in "The Graveyard," the back closet > where of equipment is kept for whatever reason. So I asked if we could have > a listening party with all the cassette decks in the studio, and we did. > wow, it was areal learning experience for me. forgive my ignorance, I just > didn't realize there was such a big difference in how cassette decks sound, > and some of them just sound so good it's still awesome to me. > > We fed the same mix from the Kermit's customized Tascam 80-8 to each deck, > then compared playbacks. TDK SA tape was used, and Dave the studio tech made > sure all the cassette decks were biased right for the tapes. > > Anyway, here's how things went for me: > > Nakamichi 680ZX -- really lively sound, astounding bass. Detailed and fun > to listen to, but I could tell when the input was switched to tape, it > seemed a bit brighter and bass seemed punchier, guitars and mandolin seemed > to have more sense of attack, and vocals seemed pushed back in the mix a > bit; reverb was emphasized. > > Revox B710 -- seemed really natural and accurate, musical balances were > unchanged; it was really hard for me to hear the difference between input > monitor and the tape, except the treble seemed maybe just a bit less airy, > don't know how to describe it -- really accurate but sterile? Bass seemed > clear but not punch, and the sense of reverb wasn't as acute. > > Pioneer CT-4141 -- really awful, mandolin and guitar seemed brittle (the > flutter and wow issue some of you talked about?), treble was dull, I > couldn't hear the kick drum or the bass guitar at all. Honestly it sounded > like an AM radio. > > Pioneer CT-F7171 -- like the CT-4141, but the treble was a bit clearer, > guitars didn't sound jangly but mandolin did, and I could hear the kick drum > and bass guitar but both sounded muddy. > > Pioneer CT-F7272 -- sounded okay, but all closed in, mandolin sounded > harsh, everything sounded canned and artificial, no sense of reverb. Kick > drum sounded muddy, bass guitar was loud but lacked sense of power. > > Pioneer CT-F9191 -- If I hadn't heard the Nakamichi or the Revox, I would > have liked it. good sound, but you could always tell when you listened to > tape versus the input. Cymbals had a harshness and just sounded lke "shh... > shh...." > > > Nakamichi 680ZX versus Revox B710: well, it's a hard decision, but here's > how it was for me. The Revox is prettier (I know that doesn't matter, > really), and is easier to work, but it seemed fussier about bias and being > kept clean. The Revox sounded more accurate to my ear than the Nakakmichi, > but the Nakamichi is more fun to listen to. > > So I'll take both! (How's that for a solution!) > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Paul the turntable tech told me that the 1010 is one of many that are popular with record collectors who bought it originally as an upgrade for the Voice of Music, Collaro or Webcor changer in their console stereos. They still enjoy the sound and I think that's really cool that something they bought 40 years ago is still giving them pleasure. One of the many things I've learned during my internship here is that the Dual rim drive machines can be fairly quiet if they're set up right and those spring suspension works too if they're set up right. A Thorens would be fun, but I'm on a budget right now and Thorens sell for too much. I don't have many LPs yet so I want to save money on the turntable and buy LPs, then get a better turntable next year when I've finished my internship and get to be full time (and get a raise -- whoopee!) Who knows, maybe I can get a Nakamichi turntable by then. NOTE TO TIM SKORICK: Did you know that Dual models that end with "9" (1009, 1019, 1219, 1229, 1249) were the highest end models and had the heaviest platter for the lowest flutter-and-wow? So your 1009 is the top model of its day. On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Dan Moy wrote: > AR-XA you will be amazed.... > > > On 10/16/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Perry, > > > > I have a Dual 1010 and never knew what is fascinating about them. > > Personally, I > > prefer a Thorens which, irregardless of price gives a good performance > like > > Nakamichi. The only idler drive TT which I love, is the Thorens 124 - but > > it's a > > belt and idler drive and there lies the difference! Thorens made some > > beautiful > > arms that are often overlooked and underrated. But today, they do carry a > > small > > premium. > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 8:53:01 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer > > > > > > And that, Julie, is why so many of us have so many decks. I don't own so > > many > > for just ownership sake, but because each one has either a unique feature > or > > sound or significance. FWIW, the B710 and B215 are almost identical > > transports, > > but I've heard from others that the B710 is often considered more > "musical". > > It > > also lacks Dolby C, like the 680ZX, which may or may not be important to > > you. > > (sounds like not) I'm surprised you found the controls of the B710 easier > to > > use > > than a 680ZX, and the 680ZX is about the prettiest deck they ever made. > The > > FL > > meters are to die for, blow any LED meters out the water, in looks, > > resolution, > > and function. (FWIW, I also agree 100% with Bala about the $#!^ LCD > meters > > on > > the B215. A change made merely because LCDs were fairly new and "high > tech" > > in > > 1980. They are also a frequent Achilles heel and a reason some become > parts > > decks, as they are irreplaceable. I bought my second one cheap as and for > a > > parts deck, but it turned out it only need all new caps and a transport > > service, > > and it was as good as (better now actually) new.) I'm not at all > surprised > > about the Pioneers. The CT-1250 was about the only one that it's > > performance > > matched it's looks, and it sucks to work on. > > > > Another inexpensive set of decks, with excellent sound, and nice meters, > are > > the > > Yamahas. In the "ultra cheap class" (under $50) the K-960 is a perennial > > favorite with very natural sound for a 2 head deck, excellent buid > quality, > > nice > > specs, dolby B and dbx, then the era TOTL K-1020, and KX-1200 all have B, > C, > > and > > dbx, and are very easy to use, cal tapes with and work with, and use the > > same > > Sankyo transport as the later Naks. They can be had in the $150 range, in > > perfect working and cosmetic condition. > > > > BTW, I'm not a huge fan of the use of 10xx series Duals, I've owned a > few, > > and > > while built like tanks in some respects, with excellent tone arms, they > are > > as > > difficult to work on as tanks often. Plus, idler tire rim drive TTs, > while > > great > > for torque are just rumble beasts. The only TTs I've ever used a > subsonic > > (rumble) filter on has been Duals. Their spring suspensions are useless. > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 00:25:07 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:25:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 for cassette archiving, also Sony TCD5 vs. Nak 550 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Terence, I'm not an expert recordist, but I can tell you what I've heard. I've had the chance to hear the Sony TC-D5 Pro, Marantz PMD-430, Nakamichi 550, Nakamichi 350, and Uher 4000 Report L. The Uher's really awful sounding, the Marantz is really small and quiet but it seems really flimsy and sounds harsh and lifeless. I liked the sound of the Sony, and it's a little quieter than the Nakamichi (and not a back breaker either), but the Nakamichi 550 is so way much better sounding to my ears. The Nakamichi 550 just sounds so natureal and detailed, and the lmiter is really easy for someone like me to use without wrecking the sound. And the Nakamichi's 3rd mike input is really great, lets you use more versatile mike setups. The Nakamichi 550 is worth the extra weight and its tape hiss isn't as pronounced, so I'd go with the Nakamichi, but if I couldn't have a Nakamichi the Sony TC-D5 would be just about as good. I think both can make wonderful tapes if you know what you're doing and use good mikes. On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Terence Lloren wrote: > Hi all, > > I am a sound recordist/artist and am planning a field recording project > using cassette tapes. I am using a NOS (new old stock) Sony TC-D5 Pro (its a > beaut!) and also have an option of buying a NOS unopened Nak DR-10. I plan > to use the Nak for playing back to tapes to my computer to digitize it for > archive on the internet and for posterity. Any pros/ cons for using the > DR10? Problems, quirks, etc that I should know about? > > I realize the frequency response of Audio tapes is limited compared to > today's digital standards but after reading some of the posts of the more > seasoned Nak owners, perhaps I have not really heard a Nak before! > > I am not looking to break the bank but I am looking for a reliable, > dependable machine that will provide consistent service and a high quality > playback for over 500 hours of audio footage. > > While we are at it, I would like to hear if anyone has an opinion between > the Sony tcd5 (any version) vs. Nak 550? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 05:01:58 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak caps In-Reply-To: References: <592906.63200.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <396340.45118.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's part of the learning process Cheryl. That Weller iron is a good start and get some Solder Wick to go along. The solder pads are delicate, so a solder pump is not really advisable unless you are working on the heavier soldering at the power transformer stage. Make sure you have good ventilation - but not air blowing directly on the joint area which will lower joint temperature. Also remember to 'wet' the joint to introduce some flux to it before attempting to de-solder it. A higher tolerance means a smaller value. How it works is quite simple actually - the percentage reflects how much the value deviates from what is printed on the cap. A 1% is much better because it means that those caps will measure much closer to the actual value though you end up paying higher for it. The voltage is actually a reflection of how much it can withstand in circuit - not how much it can store. So in a circuit with voltages upwards of 20 volts will cause a 16 volt cap to blow, but not a 63 volt. Of course, with the higher voltage rating comes a bulkier component size and higher cost. But if you can't find that value at that lower voltage, go for the higher voltage ratings. Polystyrene caps used to be very expensive and very esoteric but their price has come down these days and they are much more common place. I have had very good results with them in Nakamichi decks. Cheers Bala ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 5:07:21 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak caps Thanks Bala. I did buy a new Weller iron with the adjustable temp and a tiny tip but am still new to soldering these tiny pads – especially the little ones for the IC’s. I should probably find a junk PCB and practice… By “higher tolerance” do mean a lower % rating? Like a 5% is better than a 10%? Or do I have it backwards? Thanks for all your help folks. I have searched everywhere for a service manual for the 581 and the closest I came were SM’s for the 580-M and 582 and a single schematic for the 581. So I have NO 581 parts info and the parts and layouts for the 580-M and 582 are both slightly different than the 581. And the plethora of different answers when asking what a cap code means leave me wandering and lost in component land... The guy at Radio Shack said not to get a higher voltage rating on a cap because that is what the cap stores and a higher voltage will blow out my circuit. Lots and lots of misinformation out there and sometimes it is difficult to separate fact from fiction. Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:31 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak caps Hi Cheryl, The boards on Nakamichi is not too robust and you will come to learn that! The best way is to introduce some new flux core solder in order to wet the joint, and use soder wick to cleanly remove the solder. A good temperature regulated iron is a must and those cheapo DIY store mains types should be avoided. If the foil inevitably tears, use some thin gauge wire to jumper - that is the most effective and robust solution. If you are replacing the orange caps, which is something you might as well do entirely since you are at it, is to use Polystyrene caps of high tolerance. These give much better performance and reliability then Polypropylene ones. They are much bigger and will not drop into the mounting holes directly, so some gently shaping with tweezers are necessary. However, ensure that the caps are well seated firmly on the board at least on one end and are not prone to movement. Vibration and continuous movement will impact performance of capacitors. Bala ________________________________ From:Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 1:57:54 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak caps Yep, I already screwed up one solder pad when socketing the Dolby chips and had to run a jumper wire to the next component. It worked okay but it looks pretty ugly. Can you buy foil and cut little pieces to repair any screw-ups? Cool! Thanks for the info! Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 1:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak caps Yes. Make sure you solder carefully, and if the "test cap" is large, make sure it doesn't tear circuit foil. Technicians do this all the time. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: This is probably a really stupid question – go ahead and laugh. Is it okay to temporarily replace an orange mylar cap with either a ceramic cap or a film cap of the same value just to see if a particular cap could be the problem? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 05:03:46 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII In-Reply-To: References: <1755238373.581926.1287317032775.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <520264.31097.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <513285.94226.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> But I bet not many of the next generation will be trying to bring a half dead iPod back to live 20 years from now. When it comes to analog, its like what Hans Solo says, ' It might not look like much, but it's got where it counts!' Bala ________________________________ From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 4:46:13 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII They probably didn’t think state of the art for home analog recording would be 20 years old in 2010. J From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII Hi Perry, Most of these decks used sleeve bearings. Such bearings need some 'warm up time' as they need to have movement for the bearings to release the lubricants stored within. Thus, rather then stop and start which was easy to do but would slightly impair the performance of the transports, they must have chosen to run them continuously. I guess as with other things, no one in designing these decks in Japan or Germany would have thought that 30 years on, people will be trying to keep these machines running. These decks were never built for longevity. Bala ________________________________ From:"perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 8:03:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While I love the Studer decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, where it was powered on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem motors, just plain worn out is the usual reason. I never understood why a simple motor shut down circuit, based on no key activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, Revox, and others. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.brodsky at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 23:48:11 2010 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:48:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII In-Reply-To: <644337.1870.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <1755238373.581926.1287317032775.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <644337.1870.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > "Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in > the higher end decks. For example, in none of the > BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure > about the CR-5)." > > It does run continuously in my BX-300. > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 10/17/10, perry.nak at comcast.net *wrote: > > > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:03 AM > > > Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). > While I love the Studer > decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station > deck, where it was powered > on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem > motors, just plain worn out > is the usual reason. 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URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Tue Oct 19 03:06:17 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:06:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay record? In-Reply-To: <004801cb6f02$1cd85b30$56891190$@es> References: <008CA5CCEEE6450890C77993C0EB1F0A@superdator>, <004801cb6f02$1cd85b30$56891190$@es> Message-ID: Hope everything works! ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of JG [nicy at wanadoo.es] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 4:21 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Ebay record? Hi all, Well I´m the winner of the RX-505E. The sale price was 1222 EUR. I hope this is not a record!! Javier De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] En nombre de Pär Ericsson Enviado el: lunes, 18 de octubre de 2010 13:33 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Asunto: [naktalk] Ebay record? Naktalkers! Yesterday evening a brandnew unused never opened CR-7E packed in its original box , was sold for , hold on to your hats , 3489 USD (2509 EUR) on german Ebay! The same seller also had an brandnew unused RX-505E for sale but i am not sure what final price he recieved for that one. I wonder who the lucky winner is/Pelle. From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 19 03:59:50 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:59:50 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak caps In-Reply-To: <340230982-1287425664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-226112839-@bda2958.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <340230982-1287425664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-226112839-@bda2958.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Thanks Perry. That's where I'm at with the 581. If I can't fix the right channel Dolby/MPX problem then there isn't much point in refreshing all the caps and changing the rubber parts -- instead it becomes a parts deck. WAH! :-) After 32 years of a great relationship. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak caps Kanaan, Yes I agree 100%. I use both the Wima and Panasonic ECQs as size and space determine. Cheryl was asking about a temporary replacement to determine fault, so a cheap easy to find polyester is good for that. Personally, once I know the deck is fully functional and close to spec, except for the Dragon I usually just replace the old orange caps. But it's not worth it on a deck with issues that may relegate it to parts deck status. Some of the right size PPs are getting hard to find. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 19 04:10:13 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:10:13 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Fred. Using clipped leads is a good idea. When I screwed it up the first thing I did was PANIC. It took a few minutes to calm down and figure out what to do. Bought a new solder sucker (spring loaded) that works quite well - but have never tried using solder wick. It's probably time to learn. My old, large shipyard issued soldering iron was donated to the spouse for his stained glass work. The replacement was hidden in my car until he wasn't looking. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 4:33 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak caps Cheryl, Most techs get very small gauge wire and install tiny jumpers or use the wire to repair damaged foil segments. Clipped leads from capacitors, transistors and resistors also make good repair jumpers. As I recall, there are circuit board DIY kits that allow you to make custom circuit boards using circuit foil with stickum on the back. I haven't ever used these, but that's the only source I know of for replacement foil traces. The soldering rigs at my store are made by Hakko and Tenma. The Hakko is a better product. When I examine the mistakes people make in soldering, the most common error is that the soldering iron used wasn't hot enough. A good hot iron allows a soldering or desoldering job to be done very quickly, with minimum "assault" on foil traces. I find that for close work, solder wick works better than solder sucker bulbs. Make sure you buy the old-style solder wick. The new "environmentally friendly" wick doesn't have enough flux to do the job correctly. Vacuum desoldering rigs are available, but the ones that allow for close work on integrated circuits are quite expensive. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Yep, I already screwed up one solder pad when socketing the Dolby chips and had to run a jumper wire to the next component. It worked okay but it looks pretty ugly. Can you buy foil and cut little pieces to repair any screw-ups? Cool! Thanks for the info! Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 1:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak caps Yes. Make sure you solder carefully, and if the "test cap" is large, make sure it doesn't tear circuit foil. Technicians do this all the time. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: This is probably a really stupid question - go ahead and laugh. Is it okay to temporarily replace an orange mylar cap with either a ceramic cap or a film cap of the same value just to see if a particular cap could be the problem? 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 19 06:27:52 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:27:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Capstan Motor In-Reply-To: <34535.16430.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <644337.1870.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <34535.16430.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When powered on, the BX-300 capstans spin. It's the LX-5 where the capstans do not spin when the deck is powered on. Just sold a Nak 620 amp on Ebay last night for one opening bid at $280. I have one left, which I'll probably keep along with the 630 FM Tuner/Preamp. These 620 amps are well worth the money! Compared to Adcom 535, 545II, H.K. Signature Series, Carver, Nakamichi 420, Great American Sound, etc., this is the best sounding amp I ever owned. The best I ever heard was a Manley tube amp hooked up to JM Lab speakers. The experience was like 'Is all this sound coming from these two speakers?' Presently have a BX-300 on Ebay: http://shop.ebay.com/SOTAMAN05/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:51:19 -0700 From: p9019 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: naktalk at naks.com Pretty sure the capstan motor is always turning on the BX-300 as it is a twin of the MR-1 which definately runs the capstan motor. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From desmond975d at yahoo.com.hk Tue Oct 19 08:06:27 2010 From: desmond975d at yahoo.com.hk (Desmond Chan) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:06:27 +0800 (HKT) Subject: [naktalk] Ebay record? In-Reply-To: <4CBCB8E3.70005@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <354236.51808.qm@web19013.mail.hk2.yahoo.com> Well, I bought my 99.9% new (used for 20 hours) CR7A for US$2,000 ($1700 + $300 shipping charges) and I thought it was the craziest/dumbest thing I have done in years. Glad to know now someone else has taken the title ... Desmond --- On Tue, 10/19/10, boitrel wrote: > From: boitrel > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay record? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 5:15 AM > Dear Fred & Naktalkers, > > For the RX-505E brand new boxed, it went for ... 1222,12 > Euros > > cheers > bernard > > Pär Ericsson a écrit : > > Naktalkers! > >  Yesterday evening a brandnew unused never opened > CR-7E packed in its original box , was sold for , hold on to > your hats , 3489 USD (2509 EUR) on german Ebay! > > The same seller also had an brandnew unused RX-505E > for sale but i am not sure what final price he recieved for > that one. > >  I wonder who the lucky winner is/Pelle. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >           Also > check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                >          Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >        Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 08:15:58 2010 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:15:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer In-Reply-To: References: <303121415.549327.1287233581803.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <696265.77812.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Julie - thanks for the kind word, I had no idea about the 9 significance. I have the 1019, but I did sort of luck into it. Bought it in a box full of analog audio stuff that I'm enjoying to this day :-) -Tim On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Julie Kessler < juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi again, everyone, > > Thanks for the ideas about Yamaha cassette decks. That made me start > looking and I remembered that the studio has a Yamaha TC-800D. so I asked if > I could hear it....and it's pretty too. I liked its open and clean sound, > but it sounded very different from the Revox and Nakamichi decks. We use it > when all three Nakamichi 550s are busy. > > Bala, we get two or three Dual 1000 series turntables a month in here for > repairs. Paul the turntable tech told me that the 1010 is one of many that > are popular with record collectors who bought it originally as an upgrade > for the Voice of Music, Collaro or Webcor changer in their console stereos. > They still enjoy the sound and I think that's really cool that something > they bought 40 years ago is still giving them pleasure. One of the many > things I've learned during my internship here is that the Dual rim drive > machines can be fairly quiet if they're set up right and those spring > suspension works too if they're set up right. A Thorens would be fun, but > I'm on a budget right now and Thorens sell for too much. I don't have many > LPs yet so I want to save money on the turntable and buy LPs, then get a > better turntable next year when I've finished my internship and get to be > full time (and get a raise -- whoopee!) Who knows, maybe I can get a > Nakamichi turntable by then. > > NOTE TO TIM SKORICK: Did you know that Dual models that end with "9" (1009, > 1019, 1219, 1229, 1249) were the highest end models and had the heaviest > platter for the lowest flutter-and-wow? So your 1009 is the top model of its > day. > > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Dan Moy wrote: > >> AR-XA you will be amazed.... >> >> >> On 10/16/10, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> > Hi Perry, >> > >> > I have a Dual 1010 and never knew what is fascinating about them. >> > Personally, I >> > prefer a Thorens which, irregardless of price gives a good performance >> like >> > Nakamichi. The only idler drive TT which I love, is the Thorens 124 - >> but >> > it's a >> > belt and idler drive and there lies the difference! Thorens made some >> > beautiful >> > arms that are often overlooked and underrated. But today, they do carry >> a >> > small >> > premium. >> > >> > >> > Bala >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 8:53:01 PM >> > Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Revox vs Pioneer >> > >> > >> > And that, Julie, is why so many of us have so many decks. I don't own so >> > many >> > for just ownership sake, but because each one has either a unique >> feature or >> > sound or significance. FWIW, the B710 and B215 are almost identical >> > transports, >> > but I've heard from others that the B710 is often considered more >> "musical". >> > It >> > also lacks Dolby C, like the 680ZX, which may or may not be important to >> > you. >> > (sounds like not) I'm surprised you found the controls of the B710 >> easier to >> > use >> > than a 680ZX, and the 680ZX is about the prettiest deck they ever made. >> The >> > FL >> > meters are to die for, blow any LED meters out the water, in looks, >> > resolution, >> > and function. (FWIW, I also agree 100% with Bala about the $#!^ LCD >> meters >> > on >> > the B215. A change made merely because LCDs were fairly new and "high >> tech" >> > in >> > 1980. They are also a frequent Achilles heel and a reason some become >> parts >> > decks, as they are irreplaceable. I bought my second one cheap as and >> for a >> > parts deck, but it turned out it only need all new caps and a transport >> > service, >> > and it was as good as (better now actually) new.) I'm not at all >> surprised >> > about the Pioneers. The CT-1250 was about the only one that it's >> > performance >> > matched it's looks, and it sucks to work on. >> > >> > Another inexpensive set of decks, with excellent sound, and nice meters, >> are >> > the >> > Yamahas. In the "ultra cheap class" (under $50) the K-960 is a perennial >> > favorite with very natural sound for a 2 head deck, excellent buid >> quality, >> > nice >> > specs, dolby B and dbx, then the era TOTL K-1020, and KX-1200 all have >> B, C, >> > and >> > dbx, and are very easy to use, cal tapes with and work with, and use the >> > same >> > Sankyo transport as the later Naks. They can be had in the $150 range, >> in >> > perfect working and cosmetic condition. >> > >> > BTW, I'm not a huge fan of the use of 10xx series Duals, I've owned a >> few, >> > and >> > while built like tanks in some respects, with excellent tone arms, they >> are >> > as >> > difficult to work on as tanks often. Plus, idler tire rim drive TTs, >> while >> > great >> > for torque are just rumble beasts. The only TTs I've ever used a >> subsonic >> > (rumble) filter on has been Duals. Their spring suspensions are useless. >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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It has full calibration features, with separate tone tests independently for left and right at 333, 7000 and 17000 Hz for bias and auto level calibration at 333 and 17000 Hz. It also measures distortion! You just have to set your recording not to go over 0dB and that's it. Then on playback you will read peaks over 5dB! Clever stuff... You can even use old metal tapes, detected as chromes and see the indicator so to metal during the calibration process! It has memory for all three types. Real-time counter... Sendust/Ferrite head. Oh, and it does go into sleep mode after a little while! Of course one might argue it's a single-capstan transport... And you can't monitor (but then what's the point with CCC?)... Jacques From dgb100 at psu.edu Tue Oct 19 14:10:30 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:10:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII In-Reply-To: References: <1755238373.581926.1287317032775.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <644337.1870.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It runs on the CR-5 as well. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of James Brodsky Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:48 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII "Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in the higher end decks. For example, in none of the BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure about the CR-5)." It does run continuously in my BX-300. --- On Sun, 10/17/10, perry.nak at comcast.net > wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:03 AM Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While I love the Studer decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, where it was powered on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem motors, just plain worn out is the usual reason. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 19 17:03:47 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:03:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. In-Reply-To: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Hi Victor, What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a A110 or a A117? Can't wait for the pictures also! Wouter > This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited > insides. > Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. > Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? > > I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? > > Vic > From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Oct 19 17:41:48 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:41:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. In-Reply-To: References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <008101cb6fa4$24dc05f0$6e9411d0$@utah.edu> A117 -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. Hi Victor, What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a A110 or a A117? Can't wait for the pictures also! Wouter > This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited > insides. > Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. > Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? > > I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? > > Vic > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 20:31:35 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. In-Reply-To: References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <908121.11882.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What's the diff Wout? ________________________________ From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 11:03:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. Hi Victor, What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a A110 or a A117? Can't wait for the pictures also! Wouter > This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited > insides. > Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. > Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? > > I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? > > Vic > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 18:02:32 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle In-Reply-To: <201010191413.o9JE5E5J025780@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010191413.o9JE5E5J025780@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <610599.22512.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Vic, I have a 700ZXL that also gets "stuck" is the calibration cycle. You have to remember that there were a lot of tape formulations introduced AFTER these decks were made. My troubles are mostly with Type IV tapes. I talked with Willy about this, since he worked on the deck. He said to keep trying, that eventually, it would probably calibrate the tape. I find this to be true, but ridiculously time consuming. If you ever DO get it to calibrate, be sure it's locked in your tape 'memory' feature and that the batteries that back that feature up, are fresh. Also, it could be that you actually have an electronic glitch....hopefully someone will chime in there. Kevin Message: 9 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:39:27 -0600 From: "Victor Gabrenas" Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Folks!! I seem to have a 1000ZXL stuck in a continuous calibration loop. Once you start a calibration process, it stays in the cycle until you stop it. It never finishes the calibration. My question to the community is: Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas? It seems to cycle about every 35 to 40 counts on the counter. In this order: azimuth, bias, eq, level, eq, level ect. at the end it will briefly light up the 120us and start the process over. The tones are being recorded. I should mention the playback freq response is low on the left channel. It has been aligned but the left is showing about 4db lower than the right at 10k and u This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited insides. Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? Vic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patty at jbrudy.com Tue Oct 19 18:26:08 2010 From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:26:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. In-Reply-To: References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Hi Wouter, The serial number A110 or A117 was just used as the series. There should have been another 5 digit number after that. I should know I worked at Nakamichi for almost 16yrs before they closed. I was one of the last employees at Nakamichi. Sincerely, Patty Beretta Old titles were, customer service, shipping recieiving and I worked by myself in the parts department for about 8 years. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. Hi Victor, What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a A110 or a A117? Can't wait for the pictures also! Wouter > This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited > insides. > Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. > Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? > > I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? > > Vic > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 19 20:25:29 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:25:29 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak caps In-Reply-To: <396340.45118.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <592906.63200.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <396340.45118.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wonderful info, thanks Bala. The solder sucker worked great on some of the larger pads, but when I socketed the Dolby chips it was too bulky and strong for those tiny pads. Live and learn. I did know the RS guy was incorrect about the voltage, but I was so hesitant about everything that he couldn't be convinced. This is actually starting to be fun after passing through the "woe is me" stage. Yesterday a friend stopped by and saw my huge mess on the dining room table. "Wow, if I bring my receiver over can you fix it?" Uh-oh. That old soldering iron would burn a nice shingle. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:02 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak caps That's part of the learning process Cheryl. That Weller iron is a good start and get some Solder Wick to go along. The solder pads are delicate, so a solder pump is not really advisable unless you are working on the heavier soldering at the power transformer stage. Make sure you have good ventilation - but not air blowing directly on the joint area which will lower joint temperature. Also remember to 'wet' the joint to introduce some flux to it before attempting to de-solder it. A higher tolerance means a smaller value. How it works is quite simple actually - the percentage reflects how much the value deviates from what is printed on the cap. A 1% is much better because it means that those caps will measure much closer to the actual value though you end up paying higher for it. The voltage is actually a reflection of how much it can withstand in circuit - not how much it can store. So in a circuit with voltages upwards of 20 volts will cause a 16 volt cap to blow, but not a 63 volt. Of course, with the higher voltage rating comes a bulkier component size and higher cost. But if you can't find that value at that lower voltage, go for the higher voltage ratings. Polystyrene caps used to be very expensive and very esoteric but their price has come down these days and they are much more common place. I have had very good results with them in Nakamichi decks. Cheers Bala _____ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 5:07:21 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak caps Thanks Bala. I did buy a new Weller iron with the adjustable temp and a tiny tip but am still new to soldering these tiny pads - especially the little ones for the IC's. I should probably find a junk PCB and practice. By "higher tolerance" do mean a lower % rating? Like a 5% is better than a 10%? Or do I have it backwards? Thanks for all your help folks. I have searched everywhere for a service manual for the 581 and the closest I came were SM's for the 580-M and 582 and a single schematic for the 581. So I have NO 581 parts info and the parts and layouts for the 580-M and 582 are both slightly different than the 581. And the plethora of different answers when asking what a cap code means leave me wandering and lost in component land... The guy at Radio Shack said not to get a higher voltage rating on a cap because that is what the cap stores and a higher voltage will blow out my circuit. Lots and lots of misinformation out there and sometimes it is difficult to separate fact from fiction. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:31 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak caps Hi Cheryl, The boards on Nakamichi is not too robust and you will come to learn that! The best way is to introduce some new flux core solder in order to wet the joint, and use soder wick to cleanly remove the solder. A good temperature regulated iron is a must and those cheapo DIY store mains types should be avoided. If the foil inevitably tears, use some thin gauge wire to jumper - that is the most effective and robust solution. If you are replacing the orange caps, which is something you might as well do entirely since you are at it, is to use Polystyrene caps of high tolerance. These give much better performance and reliability then Polypropylene ones. They are much bigger and will not drop into the mounting holes directly, so some gently shaping with tweezers are necessary. However, ensure that the caps are well seated firmly on the board at least on one end and are not prone to movement. Vibration and continuous movement will impact performance of capacitors. Bala _____ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 1:57:54 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak caps Yep, I already screwed up one solder pad when socketing the Dolby chips and had to run a jumper wire to the next component. It worked okay but it looks pretty ugly. Can you buy foil and cut little pieces to repair any screw-ups? Cool! Thanks for the info! Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 1:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak caps Yes. Make sure you solder carefully, and if the "test cap" is large, make sure it doesn't tear circuit foil. Technicians do this all the time. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: This is probably a really stupid question - go ahead and laugh. Is it okay to temporarily replace an orange mylar cap with either a ceramic cap or a film cap of the same value just to see if a particular cap could be the problem? 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In-Reply-To: <008101cb6fa4$24dc05f0$6e9411d0$@utah.edu> References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> <008101cb6fa4$24dc05f0$6e9411d0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: VICTOR, THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER NUMBER UNDER THAT ONE SOMEWHERE. UNLESS IT WAS PULLED OFF. LIKE I SAID I WORKED AT NAKAMICHI FOR OVER 16YRS -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:42 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. A117 -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. Hi Victor, What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a A110 or a A117? Can't wait for the pictures also! Wouter > This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited > insides. > Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. > Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? > > I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? > > Vic > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 19 21:28:27 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:28:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. In-Reply-To: <908121.11882.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> <908121.11882.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <556e7129b78444895c6780b40a7ab2a1.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> A117 = 1000ZXL A110 = 1000ZXL Limited A good way to distinct Nakamichi products.. Nice example are the High-Com units... F101 and F102 Wouter > What's the diff Wout? > > Hi Victor, > > What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a A110 or > a A117? > Can't wait for the pictures also! From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Oct 19 21:34:00 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:34:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle In-Reply-To: <610599.22512.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201010191413.o9JE5E5J025780@zxe.naks.com> <610599.22512.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01cb6fc4$94370ce0$bca526a0$@utah.edu> Just an update.. It work for about 5 minutes last night. Then it was failing again. The problem is in the calibration and azimuth notification. It does pass but won't trigger the cassette return to zero and standby/set. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle Vic, I have a 700ZXL that also gets "stuck" is the calibration cycle. You have to remember that there were a lot of tape formulations introduced AFTER these decks were made. My troubles are mostly with Type IV tapes. I talked with Willy about this, since he worked on the deck. He said to keep trying, that eventually, it would probably calibrate the tape. I find this to be true, but ridiculously time consuming. If you ever DO get it to calibrate, be sure it's locked in your tape 'memory' feature and that the batteries that back that feature up, are fresh. Also, it could be that you actually have an electronic glitch....hopefully someone will chime in there. Kevin Message: 9 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:39:27 -0600 From: "Victor Gabrenas" Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Folks!! I seem to have a 1000ZXL stuck in a continuous calibration loop. Once you start a calibration process, it stays in the cycle until you stop it. It never finishes the calibration. My question to the community is: Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas? It seems to cycle about every 35 to 40 counts on the counter. In this order: azimuth, bias, eq, level, eq, level ect. at the end it will briefly light up the 120us and start the process over. The tones are being recorded. I should mention the playback freq response is low on the left channel. It has been aligned but the left is showing about 4db lower than the right at 10k and u This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited insides. Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? Vic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 21:48:05 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <49075.74621.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > There was a myth... I wonder how gullible were Nak's design engineers. Most engineers are not geiven to myths. As a breed, they tend to measure, tabulate and analyze, then form an opinion. > .... motor shutdown circuit. There is no 'motor shut down' circuit. The motor is simply energized through the Play function. > The myth was that the set would take 2-3 seconds to stabalize after PLAY and > RECORD were engaged, and this would screw up the sound at the beginning > of the recording. This was in fact true for cheapo cassette decks. It takes seriously longer than 2-3 seconds for the motor to stabilize. We are not talking about coming up to speed, but about reaching steady state speed and wow -- meaning, stable temperature. A minute or two would be more like it. > However, with better decks it is very easy to include a time-delay in the design so that > the recording process does not begin for 2-3 seconds after the recording function is > energized. Which would be disastrous for many recording jobs. Personally, I would never buy such a deck. Most recordings are cued up to start at a very precise moment. How else would one be able to splice two different takes (or even accurately copy an LP)? If you must avoid continuously running capstan motors, I would energize the motor only while in Play or Pause modes. Recording would be prepared for by selecting pause. This should be trivial to install as a mod into, say, a BX-300. I haven't actually looked at the schematic for this, but suspect one can do this mod for very little money or work. -- Ron --- On Sun, 10/17/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 10:21 PM There was a myth in the audiophile community that made designers NOT want to install a motor shutdown circuit. The myth was that the set would take 2-3 seconds to stabalize after PLAY and RECORD were engaged, and this would screw up the sound at the beginning of the recording. This was in fact true for cheapo cassette decks. However, with better decks it is very easy to include a time-delay in the design so that the recording process does not begin for 2-3 seconds after the recording function is energized. It is very easy for the user to learn to synchronize this with recording a phonograph record. You just energize the RECORD function and then you cue down. But myths are myths. Many designers left off the feature. Kenwood and Pioneer even made "casseivers" that allowed the cassette motor to run even when the FM radio was playing! Suffice it to say, these sets burned out cassette motors early on. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:03 AM, wrote: Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While I love the Studer  decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, where it was powered on 24/7/365 for possibly years. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 22:19:34 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Revox versus Nakamichi versus Pioneer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <383719.11155.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Interesting... I didn't compare to use the B215 by choice, but because it was available. Never thought that there was a big quality difference between it and the B710. In a previous life I repaired ReVox stuff for an importer, but it was mostly turntables and r-t-r decks. So, I Never had experience with their cassette decks. As a side comment: in the 1980s I was living in Colorado Springs when my Nak 582 went on the fritz. Turned out the capstan motor kissed the dust. I replaced with a new motor, but had no means of adjusting speed correctly. So, I lugged the deck to Denver, where the local guru in Listen Up adjusted it for me. I mentioned to him my disappointment that a 3 years Nak deck would lose a motor, whereas Revox stuff was built to last, to which he replied (here's the punch line): "Revox may be more reliable than Nakamichi, but no other deck sounds as good as Nakamichi". -- Ron --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox versus Nakamichi versus Pioneer To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 5:56 PM Mike, Please, I'm just Julie .. Ms. Kessler makes me feel old! Reading everyone's opinion is really educational ... I appreciate everyone's comments. Ron, you mentioned the Revox B215 ... when our studio's Revox B710 Mk II was down for repair (had to wait a week for a new pinch roller), Dave the studio tech brought in his Revox B215. The B215 didn't sound anything lie the B710, and honestly I agree with you, didn't like the B215 either. But the B710 is back on its feet and making beautiful music again. On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 9:20 AM, LENA WONG wrote: Hi Ms. Kessler:                           Very enlightened writing and listening experience. There has been numerous discussions in related to this matter in the past over everywhere and since listening experience is very subjective among everyone, I find out that it is more enjoyable by just perform your own listening comparsion and pick what your own pair of ears like the most. Again different types of musical contents may yield inconclusive results as no deck in the world (IMHO) is perfect.     Happy Listening, Mike From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 5:50:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Revox versus Nakamichi versus Pioneer Hi All, I have been reading with interest the posts about the difference between Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B215 and Pioneer cassette decks. This really got me curious because the studio here has the Nakamichi 680ZX and a Revox B710, and I found some Pioneer cassette deck in "The Graveyard," the back closet where of equipment is kept for whatever reason. So I asked if we could have a listening party with all the cassette decks in the studio, and we did. wow, it was  areal learning experience for me. forgive my ignorance, I just didn't realize there was such a big difference in how cassette decks sound, and some of them just sound so good it's still awesome to me. We fed the same mix from the Kermit's customized Tascam 80-8 to each deck, then compared playbacks. TDK SA tape was used, and Dave the studio tech made sure all the cassette decks were biased right for the tapes. Anyway, here's how things went for me: Nakamichi 680ZX -- really lively sound, astounding bass. Detailed and fun to listen to, but I could tell when the input was switched to tape, it seemed a bit brighter and bass seemed punchier, guitars and mandolin seemed to have more sense of attack, and vocals seemed pushed back in the mix a bit; reverb was emphasized. Revox B710 -- seemed really natural and accurate, musical balances were unchanged; it was really hard for me to hear the difference between input monitor and the tape, except the treble seemed maybe just a bit less airy, don't know how to describe it -- really accurate but sterile? Bass seemed clear but not punch, and the sense of reverb wasn't as acute. Pioneer CT-4141 -- really awful, mandolin and guitar seemed brittle (the flutter and wow issue some of you talked about?), treble was dull, I couldn't hear the kick drum or the bass guitar at all. Honestly it sounded like an AM radio. Pioneer CT-F7171 -- like the CT-4141, but the treble was a bit clearer, guitars didn't sound jangly but mandolin did, and I could hear the kick drum and bass guitar but both sounded muddy. Pioneer CT-F7272 -- sounded okay, but all closed in, mandolin sounded harsh, everything sounded canned and artificial, no sense of reverb. Kick drum sounded muddy, bass guitar was loud but lacked sense of power. Pioneer CT-F9191 -- If I hadn't heard the Nakamichi or the Revox, I would have liked it. good sound, but you could always tell when you listened to tape versus the input. Cymbals had a harshness and just sounded lke "shh... shh...." Nakamichi 680ZX versus Revox B710: well, it's a hard decision, but here's how it was for me. The Revox is prettier (I know that doesn't matter, really), and is easier to work, but it seemed fussier about bias and being kept clean. The Revox sounded more accurate to my ear than the Nakakmichi, but the Nakamichi is more fun to listen to. So I'll take both! 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 23:28:13 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <933729.50123.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The capstan motor runs continuously in all Sankyo transports utilizing direct drive capstan motor: BX-300, MR1, CR-5/7, etc.. -- Ron --- On Mon, 10/18/10, James Brodsky wrote: From: James Brodsky Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 5:48 PM "Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in the higher end decks.  For example, in none of the BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure about the CR-5)." It does run continuously in my BX-300. --- On Sun, 10/17/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:03 AM Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While I love the Studer decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, where it was powered on 24/7/365 for possibly years. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 23:48:44 2010 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 23:48:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. In-Reply-To: References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> <008101cb6fa4$24dc05f0$6e9411d0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <6D1362A5-D5FC-4FDD-9207-F47B3F234A7C@gmail.com> Hi Victor. If the transport from your ZXL is black, I would say somebody did put in the transport from a Naka 680 transport model ( dealer display). Gerhard Am 19.10.2010 um 18:37 schrieb Patty: > VICTOR, > > THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER NUMBER UNDER THAT ONE SOMEWHERE. UNLESS IT > WAS > PULLED OFF. LIKE I SAID I WORKED AT NAKAMICHI FOR OVER 16YRS > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Victor Gabrenas > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:42 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. > > A117 > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:04 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. > > Hi Victor, > > What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a > A110 or > a A117? > Can't wait for the pictures also! > > Wouter > >> This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited >> insides. >> Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power >> supply. >> Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? >> >> I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? >> >> Vic >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From rjlbjk at verizon.net Tue Oct 19 22:09:04 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:09:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. In-Reply-To: References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <0LAJ002GYZZ0JOJ0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Do you have any parts??????????? At 12:26 PM 10/19/2010, you wrote: >Hi Wouter, > >The serial number A110 or A117 was just used as the series. There should >have been another 5 digit number after that. I should know I worked at >Nakamichi for almost 16yrs before they closed. I was one of the last >employees at Nakamichi. > >Sincerely, >Patty Beretta >Old titles were, customer service, shipping recieiving and I worked by >myself in the parts department for about 8 years. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Wouter Heijke >Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:04 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. > >Hi Victor, > >What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a A110 or >a A117? >Can't wait for the pictures also! > >Wouter > > > This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited > > insides. > > Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. > > Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? > > > > I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? > > > > Vic > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From patty at jbrudy.com Wed Oct 20 00:33:02 2010 From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:33:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. In-Reply-To: <556e7129b78444895c6780b40a7ab2a1.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu><908121.11882.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <556e7129b78444895c6780b40a7ab2a1.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5F797C11234848B5A7E3130AE4013F62@UserPC> HI THERE, SOMEONE THAT KNOWS THAT BACK END OF THE NAK. I CAN STILL BABBLE OF PART NUMBERS EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T WORK WITH THEM FOR ABOUT 7 YEARS. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:28 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. A117 = 1000ZXL A110 = 1000ZXL Limited A good way to distinct Nakamichi products.. Nice example are the High-Com units... F101 and F102 Wouter > What's the diff Wout? > > Hi Victor, > > What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a A110 or > a A117? > Can't wait for the pictures also! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Oct 20 00:39:46 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:39:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Welcome Patty! Message-ID: Hi Patty, Many here will still remember you and mentioned you in the past, nice to have you on the list! Welcome! Wouter From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 03:06:39 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle In-Reply-To: <610599.22512.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201010191413.o9JE5E5J025780@zxe.naks.com> <610599.22512.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <961209.56153.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, While it is true that many formulations were made after the deck's release, the wonderful thing about this system is how it works to compromise. Unless you throw a really bad tape at it, or the deck is not up to mark, there are relatively few times it won't calibrate. Yes it does take time, but you have to keep in consideration how much the computer did (4 tones, full EQ up to 20k etc., checking EQ response) with 1970 tech. This was unlike later systems which used select frequencies;it worked well but was not as thorough as what the 1000ZXL did. The only drawback with this system was that it did not go to levels that the later Type IIs, Type IVs and the SMM were really capable of. Bala ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 12:02:32 AM Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle Vic, I have a 700ZXL that also gets "stuck" is the calibration cycle. You have to remember that there were a lot of tape formulations introduced AFTER these decks were made. My troubles are mostly with Type IV tapes. I talked with Willy about this, since he worked on the deck. He said to keep trying, that eventually, it would probably calibrate the tape. I find this to be true, but ridiculously time consuming. If you ever DO get it to calibrate, be sure it's locked in your tape 'memory' feature and that the batteries that back that feature up, are fresh. Also, it could be that you actually have an electronic glitch....hopefully someone will chime in there. Kevin Message: 9 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:39:27 -0600 From: "Victor Gabrenas" Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Folks!! I seem to have a 1000ZXL stuck in a continuous calibration loop. Once you start a calibration process, it stays in the cycle until you stop it. It never finishes the calibration. My question to the community is: Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas? It seems to cycle about every 35 to 40 counts on the counter. In this order: azimuth, bias, eq, level, eq, level ect. at the end it will briefly light up the 120us and start the process over. The tones are being recorded. I should mention the playback freq response is low on the left channel. It has been aligned but the left is showing about 4db lower than the right at 10k and u This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited insides. Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? Vic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 03:12:29 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII In-Reply-To: <49075.74621.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <49075.74621.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84420.50891.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A mod is not too difficult, but given the capstan drive electronics my best advise would be to keep the capstan drive running. This ensures that the bearings are all fully run in (which is a major contributor to speed stability) and that playing a tapes gives you perfect speed performance from the start. This is both with belt and Direct Drive systems irrespective. Bala ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 3:48:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > There was a myth... I wonder how gullible were Nak's design engineers. Most engineers are not geiven to myths. As a breed, they tend to measure, tabulate and analyze, then form an opinion. > .... motor shutdown circuit. There is no 'motor shut down' circuit. The motor is simply energized through the Play function. > The myth was that the set would take 2-3 seconds to stabalize after PLAY and > RECORD were engaged, and this would screw up the sound at the beginning > of the recording. This was in fact true for cheapo cassette decks. It takes seriously longer than 2-3 seconds for the motor to stabilize. We are not talking about coming up to speed, but about reaching steady state speed and wow -- meaning, stable temperature. A minute or two would be more like it. > However, with better decks it is very easy to include a time-delay in the >design so that > > the recording process does not begin for 2-3 seconds after the recording >function is > > energized. Which would be disastrous for many recording jobs. Personally, I would never buy such a deck. Most recordings are cued up to start at a very precise moment. How else would one be able to splice two different takes (or even accurately copy an LP)? If you must avoid continuously running capstan motors, I would energize the motor only while in Play or Pause modes. Recording would be prepared for by selecting pause. This should be trivial to install as a mod into, say, a BX-300. I haven't actually looked at the schematic for this, but suspect one can do this mod for very little money or work. -- Ron --- On Sun, 10/17/10, Fred Longworth wrote: >From: Fred Longworth >Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 10:21 PM > > >There was a myth in the audiophile community that made designers NOT want to >install a motor shutdown circuit. > >The myth was that the set would take 2-3 seconds to stabalize after PLAY and >RECORD were engaged, and this would screw up the sound at the beginning of the >recording. This was in fact true for cheapo cassette decks. > >However, with better decks it is very easy to include a time-delay in the design >so that the recording process does not begin for 2-3 seconds after the recording >function is energized. It is very easy for the user to learn to synchronize this >with recording a phonograph record. You just energize the RECORD function and >then you cue down. > >But myths are myths. Many designers left off the feature. Kenwood and Pioneer >even made "casseivers" that allowed the cassette motor to run even when the FM >radio was playing! Suffice it to say, these sets burned out cassette motors >early on. > >Fred >Classic Audio Repair >www.repairaudio.com > >* * * * * > > >On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:03 AM, wrote: > >Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While >I love the Studer >> decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, >>where it was powered >>on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem motors, >>just plain worn out >> is the usual reason. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 03:18:16 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle In-Reply-To: <000c01cb6fc4$94370ce0$bca526a0$@utah.edu> References: <201010191413.o9JE5E5J025780@zxe.naks.com> <610599.22512.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cb6fc4$94370ce0$bca526a0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <135585.64236.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Get the areas I mentioned checked Vic - this definitely smells like a flaky chip to me. Or at best it could be a bad connection on one of the many wire-wrap connections on the board. I saw your pictures, nice! The transplant is a good job although the wires look like a mess! I also seem to see in one picture of wires being joint by twisting?! The deck has to be fully checked, wires tidied up, and a full cal is in order before you can tap the benefits of the Limited components. Bala ________________________________ From: Victor Gabrenas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 3:34:00 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle Just an update…. It work for about 5 minutes last night. Then it was failing again. The problem is in the calibration and azimuth notification. It does pass but won’t trigger the cassette return to zero and standby/set. Vic From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle Vic, I have a 700ZXL that also gets "stuck" is the calibration cycle. You have to remember that there were a lot of tape formulations introduced AFTER these decks were made. My troubles are mostly with Type IV tapes. I talked with Willy about this, since he worked on the deck. He said to keep trying, that eventually, it would probably calibrate the tape. I find this to be true, but ridiculously time consuming. If you ever DO get it to calibrate, be sure it's locked in your tape 'memory' feature and that the batteries that back that feature up, are fresh. Also, it could be that you actually have an electronic glitch....hopefully someone will chime in there. Kevin Message: 9 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:39:27 -0600 From: "Victor Gabrenas" Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Folks!! I seem to have a 1000ZXL stuck in a continuous calibration loop. Once you start a calibration process, it stays in the cycle until you stop it. It never finishes the calibration. My question to the community is: Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas? It seems to cycle about every 35 to 40 counts on the counter. In this order: azimuth, bias, eq, level, eq, level ect. at the end it will briefly light up the 120us and start the process over. The tones are being recorded. I should mention the playback freq response is low on the left channel. It has been aligned but the left is showing about 4db lower than the right at 10k and u This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited insides. Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? Vic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 06:58:37 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle In-Reply-To: <610599.22512.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <961379.24034.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Vic, Kevin, The ZXL decks are capable of calibrating every tape( even under and overbias by _-12.5%). Some take longer than others and some decks are faster than others....The one Willy restored from a disaster zone calibrates any tape fastest.Why I know not. My general experience has been that the newer( post 1990) cassettes take longer to calibrate than the ones made between 1978-1989.( perhaps due to the decks age being in line with the tapes' manufacture) Kevin, your 700ZXL needs to be looked into again by Willy I sincerely believe. One more suggestion. Please clean the tape path thoroughly with the American recorder cleaner and dry the surfaces and demag the path prior to calibration. This sometimes works wonders. One more measure to try. Pull out all four boards( Rec eq, detector, dolby playback and dolby record) from the motherboard and reinsert it tightly to fit as intended. Do the same with the RAMM board too on the left of the deck.Sometimes during shipping there are loose contacts developed in these machines that will be eliminated by removing and reinserting these boards. Good luck. Ram. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 12:02 PM Vic,  I have a 700ZXL that also gets "stuck" is the calibration cycle. You have to remember that there were a lot of tape formulations introduced AFTER these decks were made. My troubles are mostly with Type IV tapes. I talked with Willy about this, since he worked on the deck. He said to keep trying, that eventually, it would probably calibrate the tape. I find this to be true, but ridiculously time consuming. If you ever DO get it to calibrate, be sure it's locked in your tape 'memory' feature and that the batteries that back that feature up, are fresh. Also, it could  be that you actually have an electronic glitch....hopefully someone will chime in there. Kevin Message: 9 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:39:27 -0600 From: "Victor Gabrenas" Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Hi Folks!! I seem to have a 1000ZXL stuck in a continuous calibration loop. Once you start a calibration process, it stays in the cycle until you stop it. It never finishes the calibration. My question to the community is: Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas? It seems to cycle about every 35 to 40 counts on the counter. In this order: azimuth, bias, eq, level, eq, level ect. at the end it will briefly light up the 120us and start the process over. The tones are being recorded. I should mention the playback freq response is low on the left channel. It has been aligned but the left is showing about 4db lower than the right at 10k and u This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited insides. Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? 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In-Reply-To: References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <122293.35000.qm@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Patty, Thanks for your history and dedication.  I visited Nakamichi when it was in Torrance several times to get my then 6 year old 480's worked on, and then a few other 581's I found (they didn't survive in the late 80's).  The last situation I remember was talking to the head tech who told me the old 580's I brought in could not be repaired because there were no more diffused resonance mechanisms for parts to be had.  So they offered a DR3 at a discounted price to replace and junk 2 580 series machines.  Then about 6 months later, the Torrance location was gone. Can you provide some of the history of the company from the mid 90's on till it went bust (nak USA)?  Regards, Bart ________________________________ From: Patty To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 9:26:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. Hi Wouter, The serial number A110 or A117 was just used as the series.  There should have been another 5 digit number after that.  I should know I worked at Nakamichi for almost 16yrs before they closed.  I was one of the last employees at Nakamichi.  Sincerely, Patty Beretta Old titles were, customer service, shipping recieiving and I worked by myself in the parts department for about 8 years. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. Hi Victor, What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a A110 or a A117? Can't wait for the pictures also! Wouter > This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited > insides. > Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. > Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? > > I will post some photos if I can. 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URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Oct 20 02:53:44 2010 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:53:44 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 repair Message-ID: Cheryl Glad you caught up with the service manual on the Nak Wiki site. Some people on this forum say not to replace all orange caps but to target particular faults only. I replaced them all on my 581 and 582 decks but it is hard to avoid the track lifting in all cases. I ended up bridging a few points. David >From: Cheryl Kaupp >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak caps >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Thanks Perry. That's where I'm at with the 581. If I can't fix the right channel Dolby/MPX problem then there isn't much point in refreshing all the caps and changing the rubber parts -- instead it becomes a parts deck. WAH! :-) After 32 years of a great relationship. >Cheryl From ewv.tap.nak at moosecove.org Wed Oct 20 03:31:31 2010 From: ewv.tap.nak at moosecove.org (Erich Veyhl) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:31:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... also Sony TCD5 vs. Nak 550 Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20101019203745.039766d0@wheresmymailserver.com> Thanks for the response on the Nak 550 vs. Sony TC-D5 portables comparison. I used the TCD5M for years for hundreds of informal recordings of live music, usually in informal and often outdoor settings, and it worked very well. Likewise for the smaller Sony "Walkman Pro" WMD6, which was also much better than others available at the time. I never had a Nak 550 because of the cost, which I think was consideraly more than the $550 I paid for the Sony D5M in the mid 80s. I have never had better than the BX300 for in-home use because of the cost of the higher models, let alone the ZXL with Bala's special toilet mod. I agree that using good mics is critical (for the recordings, not the toilet), and believe that the mics are what limited how much I got out of the Sonys. My Sonys don't work now because of bad power circuits. Otherwise they are still in good shape and I tried to have them repaired but couldn't. Sony was still selling the D5M new only a few years ago and was still offering rebuilt replacements and repairs for both models when I tried to have mine repaired about a year ago, but when I tried to do that and sent them in, Sony said it didn't have either rebuilt replacements or parts for the repairs in stock, including in Japan. All of the other repair operations I tried say they no longer work on any portable cassette recorders because it is no longer cost effective in comparison with the new portable digital recorders. Is that always true? If so what are the comparable portable digital recorders available now? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:25:07 -0500 >From: Julie Kessler >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-10 for cassette archiving, also Sony TCD5 > vs. Nak 550 > >Hi Terence, > >I'm not an expert recordist, but I can tell you what I've heard. I've had >the chance to hear the Sony TC-D5 Pro, Marantz PMD-430, Nakamichi >550, Nakamichi 350, and Uher 4000 Report L. The Uher's really awful >sounding, the Marantz is really small and quiet but it seems really flimsy >and sounds harsh and lifeless. I liked the sound of the Sony, and it's a >little quieter than the Nakamichi (and not a back breaker either), but the >Nakamichi 550 is so way much better sounding to my ears. The Nakamichi >550 just sounds so natureal and detailed, and the lmiter is really easy for >someone like me to use without wrecking the sound. And the Nakamichi's >3rd mike input is really great, lets you use more versatile mike setups. >The Nakamichi 550 is worth the extra weight and its tape hiss isn't as >pronounced, so I'd go with the Nakamichi, but if I couldn't have a Nakamichi >the Sony TC-D5 would be just about as good. I think both can make wonderful >tapes if you know what you're doing and use good mikes. > >On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Terence Lloren wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I am a sound recordist/artist and am planning a field recording project > > using cassette tapes. I am using a NOS (new old stock) Sony TC-D5 > > Pro (its a > beaut!) and also have an option of buying a NOS unopened > > Nak DR-10. I plan > to use the Nak for playing back to tapes to my > > computer to digitize it for archive on the internet and for posterity. Any > > pros/ cons for using theDR10? Problems, quirks, etc that I should know > > about? > > > > I realize the frequency response of Audio tapes is limited compared to > > today's digital standards ... > > > > While we are at it, I would like to hear if anyone has an opinion between > > the Sony tcd5 (any version) vs. Nak 550?... > > > > Terence From patty at jbrudy.com Wed Oct 20 16:15:20 2010 From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:15:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Welcome Patty! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DID I MAKE SUCH AN IMPRESSION? I GUESS I DO THAT EVERYWHERE I GO. THOSE WHERE SOME OF THE BEST YEARS OF MY LIFE. AND A LONG TIME TOO. SOME OF US STILL GET TOGETHER JUST FOR OLD TIMES. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Welcome Patty! Hi Patty, Many here will still remember you and mentioned you in the past, nice to have you on the list! Welcome! Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 18:01:51 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle In-Reply-To: <201010201017.o9KA8Qkq031029@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010201017.o9KA8Qkq031029@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <205137.53573.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ram, My 700ZXL has been back to Willy twice now....for two unrelated problems. I'm not a rich man and I'm rapidly approaching the worth of the unit in repair costs, shipping, purchase price etc. The deck works fine now, except for some difficulty in calibrating some Type IV tapes. While I love the deck, I don't love it that much.;-) I could try reinserting those boards you mentioned though, thanks. Tape path is always kept spotless. Kevin Message: 21 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <961379.24034.qm at web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Vic, Kevin, The ZXL decks are capable of calibrating every tape( even under and overbias by _-12.5%). Some take longer than others and some decks are faster than others....The one Willy restored from a disaster zone calibrates any tape fastest.Why I know not. My general experience has been that the newer( post 1990) cassettes take longer to calibrate than the ones made between 1978-1989.( perhaps due to the decks age being in line with the tapes' manufacture) Kevin, your 700ZXL needs to be looked into again by Willy I sincerely believe. One more suggestion. Please clean the tape path thoroughly with the American recorder cleaner and dry the surfaces and demag the path prior to calibration. This sometimes works wonders. One more measure to try. Pull out all four boards( Rec eq, detector, dolby playback and dolby record) from the motherboard and reinsert it tightly to fit as intended. Do the same with the RAMM board too on the left of the deck.Sometimes during shipping there are loose contacts developed in these machines that will be eliminated by removing and reinserting these boards. Good luck. Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While I love the Studer decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, where it was powered on 24/7/365 for possibly years. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 20 20:00:37 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:00:37 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 repair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, All of my training is from 1972-1973 at Hunter's Point Naval Shipyard as an electronics mechanic apprentice. We were just starting to get into tubes and were each going to build an amplifier when they closed the shipyard and I changed careers. Tubes -- that really dates me. It was always my favorite job. Anyway, most of the stuff we worked on was big and our soldering irons were big. Even our solder was big! There were no PCB's. So it is nice to know I'm not the only one. The solder pads for the Dolby chips are tiny -- quite a bit smaller than the cap pads. I didn't even realize what had happened until it would not solder with the new socket pin. At 61 years my close-up vision sucks. I've been doing most of this with 2 pairs of strong reading glasses on. It's a pretty funny sight to see -- and the second pair keeps sliding down my nose and falling off. I'm getting one of those magnifying headgear pieces that they use for making jewelry. I really appreciate you pointing me to the manual--don't know how/why I missed it since I pulled several others from the Wiki. Oh well, old, forgetful, and can't see. :-) Sounds like someone who should be working on electronics, eh? There aren't that many orange drop caps on the 581, so if C212 fixes the right channel Dolby then I am going to replace all of them. But I'm finding it is hard to find replacements for some of them. Since they are fairly cheap I've been buying extras for the 582. I promised Willy I wouldn't touch the 682ZX, but you never know what the future will bring. Shipping to/from Hawaii is expensive and often makes the repair too expensive to consider. Today it costs about $140 just for round-trip shipping on the 682ZX. Ouch! You guys don't know how much I appreciate all of your help. Hope you don't mind the book, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 581 repair Cheryl Glad you caught up with the service manual on the Nak Wiki site. Some people on this forum say not to replace all orange caps but to target particular faults only. I replaced them all on my 581 and 582 decks but it is hard to avoid the track lifting in all cases. I ended up bridging a few points. David >From: Cheryl Kaupp >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak caps >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Thanks Perry. That's where I'm at with the 581. If I can't fix the right channel Dolby/MPX problem then there isn't much point in refreshing all the caps and changing the rubber parts -- instead it becomes a parts deck. WAH! :-) After 32 years of a great relationship. >Cheryl ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 20:41:59 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle In-Reply-To: <205137.53573.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201010201017.o9KA8Qkq031029@zxe.naks.com> <205137.53573.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <16188.90115.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, The design of the 700ZXL's AutoCal system is quite complicated utilizing a different system from it's elder cousin. The aged logic chip within causes bizarre behavior under certain circumstances. This has to do with the overall health of the components of the AutoCal computer as well a the mechanical build of the deck. The 700ZXL is not as robust as it's bigger cousin. Giving the connectors a work-over may help - especially those at the bottom of the computer-board 'sandwich'. Bala ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 12:01:51 AM Subject: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle Ram, My 700ZXL has been back to Willy twice now....for two unrelated problems. I'm not a rich man and I'm rapidly approaching the worth of the unit in repair costs, shipping, purchase price etc. The deck works fine now, except for some difficulty in calibrating some Type IV tapes. While I love the deck, I don't love it that much.;-) I could try reinserting those boards you mentioned though, thanks. Tape path is always kept spotless. Kevin Message: 21 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE: 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <961379.24034.qm at web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Vic, Kevin, The ZXL decks are capable of calibrating every tape( even under and overbias by _-12.5%). Some take longer than others and some decks are faster than others....The one Willy restored from a disaster zone calibrates any tape fastest.Why I know not. My general experience has been that the newer( post 1990) cassettes take longer to calibrate than the ones made between 1978-1989.( perhaps due to the decks age being in line with the tapes' manufacture) Kevin, your 700ZXL needs to be looked into again by Willy I sincerely believe. One more suggestion. Please clean the tape path thoroughly with the American recorder cleaner and dry the surfaces and demag the path prior to calibration. This sometimes works wonders. One more measure to try. Pull out all four boards( Rec eq, detector, dolby playback and dolby record) from the motherboard and reinsert it tightly to fit as intended. Do the same with the RAMM board too on the left of the deck.Sometimes during shipping there are loose contacts developed in these machines that will be eliminated by removing and reinserting these boards. Good luck. Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 21:59:03 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:59:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ... also Sony TCD5 vs. Nak 550 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20101019203745.039766d0@wheresmymailserver.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20101019203745.039766d0@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: Hi Erich, Well, again, I gotta mention, I'm a studio intern, not an expert recording engineer, so I can just speak out of my experience. My guess is most companies who made cassette decks don't support them unless they still make cassettes. The exception is Revox, we can still get parts for our B710 Mk. II cassette, and the guys at JM Tech Arts (the USA Revox service center) are really great. But for any other brand of cassette, I gather you're on your own. That's why groups like this exist. Other than the Revox, all the cassette decks our studio uses are Nakamichi and one Yamaha. I'm really lucky that the studio owner (Kermit) and the other engineers can keep our cassette decks up and running. As far as portable digital recorders go, we have two in the studio, a Nagra VI, which has 8 channels 24 bit/96 kHz, and another Nagra digital; I don't remember its model but it has 2 channels of 24 bit/192 kHz. I like the sound of the Nakamichi 550 way better, but the Nagras sync up to our DAWs as well as our clients' video and digital cinema gear, so that's why we have them. You should hear Kermit complain about the sound of the Nagras! I gather he used to have analog Nagra and disliked those too. Bujt I asked the studio staff and they all felt Nagra are the best portable digital recorders, followed by Fostex, Tascam and Marantz. I'd be worried about the marantz, because the Marantz PMD-430 cassette I saw felt really flimsy. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Erich Veyhl wrote: > Thanks for the response on the Nak 550 vs. Sony TC-D5 portables comparison. > > I used the TCD5M for years for hundreds of informal recordings of live > music, usually in informal and often outdoor settings, and it worked very > well. Likewise for the smaller Sony "Walkman Pro" WMD6, which was also > much better than others available at the time. I never had a Nak 550 > because of the cost, which I think was consideraly more than the $550 I paid > for the Sony D5M in the mid 80s. I have never had better than the BX300 for > in-home use because of the cost of the higher models, let alone the ZXL with > Bala's special toilet mod. I agree that using good mics is critical (for > the recordings, not the toilet), and believe that the mics are what limited > how much I got out of the Sonys. > > My Sonys don't work now because of bad power circuits. Otherwise they are > still in good shape and I tried to have them repaired but couldn't. > > Sony was still selling the D5M new only a few years ago and was still > offering rebuilt replacements and repairs for both models when I tried to > have mine repaired about a year ago, but when I tried to do that and sent > them in, Sony said it didn't have either rebuilt replacements or parts for > the repairs in stock, including in Japan. > > All of the other repair operations I tried say they no longer work on any > portable cassette recorders because it is no longer cost effective in > comparison with the new portable digital recorders. > > Is that always true? If so what are the comparable portable digital > recorders available now? > > > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:25:07 -0500 > >> From: Julie Kessler >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-10 for cassette archiving, also Sony TCD5 >> vs. Nak 550 >> >> Hi Terence, >> >> I'm not an expert recordist, but I can tell you what I've heard. I've had >> the chance to hear the Sony TC-D5 Pro, Marantz PMD-430, Nakamichi >> 550, Nakamichi 350, and Uher 4000 Report L. The Uher's really awful >> sounding, the Marantz is really small and quiet but it seems really flimsy >> and sounds harsh and lifeless. I liked the sound of the Sony, and it's a >> little quieter than the Nakamichi (and not a back breaker either), but the >> Nakamichi 550 is so way much better sounding to my ears. The Nakamichi >> 550 just sounds so natureal and detailed, and the lmiter is really easy >> for >> someone like me to use without wrecking the sound. And the Nakamichi's >> 3rd mike input is really great, lets you use more versatile mike setups. >> The Nakamichi 550 is worth the extra weight and its tape hiss isn't as >> pronounced, so I'd go with the Nakamichi, but if I couldn't have a >> Nakamichi >> the Sony TC-D5 would be just about as good. I think both can make >> wonderful >> tapes if you know what you're doing and use good mikes. >> >> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Terence Lloren > >wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I am a sound recordist/artist and am planning a field recording project >> > using cassette tapes. I am using a NOS (new old stock) Sony TC-D5 >> > Pro (its a > beaut!) and also have an option of buying a NOS unopened >> > Nak DR-10. I plan > to use the Nak for playing back to tapes to my >> > computer to digitize it for archive on the internet and for posterity. >> Any >> > pros/ cons for using theDR10? Problems, quirks, etc that I should know >> > about? >> > >> > I realize the frequency response of Audio tapes is limited compared to >> > today's digital standards ... >> > >> > While we are at it, I would like to hear if anyone has an opinion >> between >> > the Sony tcd5 (any version) vs. Nak 550?... >> > >> > Terence >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Runs continuously in my > CD-1 > CD-1.5 > CR-3 > CR-5 > MR-1 > ZX-7 > Does NOT in my LX-5 > > > --- On *Mon, 10/18/10, James Brodsky * wrote: > > > From: James Brodsky > Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:48 PM > > > > > > > "Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in > the higher end decks. For example, in none of the > BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure > about the CR-5)." > > It does run continuously in my BX-300. > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 10/17/10, perry.nak at comcast.net > >*wrote: > > > From: perry.nak at comcast.net < > perry.nak at comcast.net > > Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:03 AM > > > Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). > While I love the Studer > decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station > deck, where it was powered > on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem > motors, just plain worn out > is the usual reason. I never understood why a simple motor shut down > circuit, based on no key > activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, > Revox, and others. > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Someone told me once that the LX-5 and the RX-505 have the same tape transport....I've not had a LX-5 to compare. ________________________________ Runs continuously in my CD-1 CD-1.5 CR-3 CR-5 MR-1 ZX-7 Does NOT in my LX-5 --- On Mon, 10/18/10, James Brodsky wrote: From: James Brodsky Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:48 PM "Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in the higher end decks. For example, in none of the BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure about the CR-5)." It does run continuously in my BX-300. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Julie Kessler Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII Hi Guys, I have a question -- this discussion raised my curiosity and I noticed the motor on the studio's Nakamichi 500, 550, 600, 600-II and Yamaha TC-800D only run when they're put into play/record, or pause, but the Revox B710's motors run all the time. I don't know about the 680ZX, I can't tell if it is. Yet the speed on the 500, 550, 600, 600-II seems instantly up to speed and the sped seems stable, so I agree: why can't the other decks leave their motors off until needed? Maybe the electronic-controlled motors need to stabilize but the mechanical motors are okay (did I phrase that right?)? On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: Runs continuously in my CD-1 CD-1.5 CR-3 CR-5 MR-1 ZX-7 Does NOT in my LX-5 --- On Mon, 10/18/10, James Brodsky wrote: From: James Brodsky Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:48 PM "Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in the higher end decks. For example, in none of the BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure about the CR-5)." It does run continuously in my BX-300. --- On Sun, 10/17/10, perry.nak at comcast.net > wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:03 AM Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While I love the Studer decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, where it was powered on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem motors, just plain worn out is the usual reason. 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To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 7:15 AM DID I MAKE SUCH AN IMPRESSION?  I GUESS I DO THAT EVERYWHERE I GO.  THOSE WHERE SOME OF THE BEST YEARS OF MY LIFE.  AND A LONG TIME TOO.  SOME OF US STILL GET TOGETHER JUST FOR OLD TIMES. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Welcome Patty! Hi Patty, Many here will still remember you and mentioned you in the past, nice to have you on the list! Welcome! 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Des From bivouacmusic at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 04:12:59 2010 From: bivouacmusic at gmail.com (Terence Lloren) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:12:59 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] ... also Sony TCD5 vs. Nak 550 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20101019203745.039766d0@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the responses. For this project, mobility is important so I may just go with the Sony. Per your recommendations, I long for the day that I can try out a 550. If anyone can find a Sony 4550SD for sale these days please let me know! As for digital recorders, another popular brand amonst sound recordists is Sound Devices. They are beautiful machines that are super portable and while the price is a bit high they are still cheaper than most in their class. If you are looking for brands in the same price range as Nagra, I would recommend Zaxcom, HHB, or Aaton Cantar. These babies will make your mouth water if you are into field/sound recording but can cost upwards of 10k. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Julie Kessler < juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Erich, > > Well, again, I gotta mention, I'm a studio intern, not an expert recording > engineer, so I can just speak out of my experience. My guess is most > companies who made cassette decks don't support them unless they still make > cassettes. The exception is Revox, we can still get parts for our B710 Mk. > II cassette, and the guys at JM Tech Arts (the USA Revox service center) are > really great. But for any other brand of cassette, I gather you're on your > own. That's why groups like this exist. Other than the Revox, all the > cassette decks our studio uses are Nakamichi and one Yamaha. I'm really > lucky that the studio owner (Kermit) and the other engineers can keep our > cassette decks up and running. > > As far as portable digital recorders go, we have two in the studio, a Nagra > VI, which has 8 channels 24 bit/96 kHz, and another Nagra digital; I don't > remember its model but it has 2 channels of 24 bit/192 kHz. I like the sound > of the Nakamichi 550 way better, but the Nagras sync up to our DAWs as well > as our clients' video and digital cinema gear, so that's why we have them. > You should hear Kermit complain about the sound of the Nagras! I gather he > used to have analog Nagra and disliked those too. Bujt I asked the studio > staff and they all felt Nagra are the best portable digital recorders, > followed by Fostex, Tascam and Marantz. I'd be worried about the marantz, > because the Marantz PMD-430 cassette I saw felt really flimsy. > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Erich Veyhl wrote: > >> Thanks for the response on the Nak 550 vs. Sony TC-D5 portables >> comparison. >> >> I used the TCD5M for years for hundreds of informal recordings of live >> music, usually in informal and often outdoor settings, and it worked very >> well. Likewise for the smaller Sony "Walkman Pro" WMD6, which was also >> much better than others available at the time. I never had a Nak 550 >> because of the cost, which I think was consideraly more than the $550 I paid >> for the Sony D5M in the mid 80s. I have never had better than the BX300 for >> in-home use because of the cost of the higher models, let alone the ZXL with >> Bala's special toilet mod. I agree that using good mics is critical (for >> the recordings, not the toilet), and believe that the mics are what limited >> how much I got out of the Sonys. >> >> My Sonys don't work now because of bad power circuits. Otherwise they are >> still in good shape and I tried to have them repaired but couldn't. >> >> Sony was still selling the D5M new only a few years ago and was still >> offering rebuilt replacements and repairs for both models when I tried to >> have mine repaired about a year ago, but when I tried to do that and sent >> them in, Sony said it didn't have either rebuilt replacements or parts for >> the repairs in stock, including in Japan. >> >> All of the other repair operations I tried say they no longer work on any >> portable cassette recorders because it is no longer cost effective in >> comparison with the new portable digital recorders. >> >> Is that always true? If so what are the comparable portable digital >> recorders available now? >> >> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:25:07 -0500 >> >>> From: Julie Kessler >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-10 for cassette archiving, also Sony TCD5 >>> vs. Nak 550 >>> >>> Hi Terence, >>> >>> I'm not an expert recordist, but I can tell you what I've heard. I've had >>> the chance to hear the Sony TC-D5 Pro, Marantz PMD-430, Nakamichi >>> 550, Nakamichi 350, and Uher 4000 Report L. The Uher's really awful >>> sounding, the Marantz is really small and quiet but it seems really >>> flimsy >>> and sounds harsh and lifeless. I liked the sound of the Sony, and it's a >>> little quieter than the Nakamichi (and not a back breaker either), but >>> the >>> Nakamichi 550 is so way much better sounding to my ears. The Nakamichi >>> 550 just sounds so natureal and detailed, and the lmiter is really easy >>> for >>> someone like me to use without wrecking the sound. And the Nakamichi's >>> 3rd mike input is really great, lets you use more versatile mike setups. >>> The Nakamichi 550 is worth the extra weight and its tape hiss isn't as >>> pronounced, so I'd go with the Nakamichi, but if I couldn't have a >>> Nakamichi >>> the Sony TC-D5 would be just about as good. I think both can make >>> wonderful >>> tapes if you know what you're doing and use good mikes. >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Terence Lloren >> >wrote: >>> >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > I am a sound recordist/artist and am planning a field recording project >>> > using cassette tapes. I am using a NOS (new old stock) Sony TC-D5 >>> > Pro (its a > beaut!) and also have an option of buying a NOS unopened >>> > Nak DR-10. I plan > to use the Nak for playing back to tapes to my >>> > computer to digitize it for archive on the internet and for posterity. >>> Any >>> > pros/ cons for using theDR10? Problems, quirks, etc that I should know >>> > about? >>> > >>> > I realize the frequency response of Audio tapes is limited compared to >>> > today's digital standards ... >>> > >>> > While we are at it, I would like to hear if anyone has an opinion >>> between >>> > the Sony tcd5 (any version) vs. Nak 550?... >>> > >>> > Terence >>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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Check out our new Hyperspace! http://bivouacrecording.wordpress.com http://www.biv0uac.com http://www.growingupwithshanghai.com http:/www.chongmingtapes.com http://soundcloud.com/bivouacrecording Sample or purchase Growing Up With Shanghai- 10 Shanghai Soundwalks: http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/10593 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Oct 21 16:12:01 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <63389.80364.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Yet the speed on the 500, 550, 600, 600-II seems instantly up to speed and > the sped seems stable 'Instantly' and 'stable' are relative terms. 'Instantly' never equates to zero time and 'stable' is never 100%. Bbut both are closer to these ideal values after the motor has been running for a while. So, the question is, how critical are these? Design engineers have answered this by running motors continuously in high-end decks, where users may not tolerate even the smallest aberrations, and not In a 500 and such, where users won't notice the difference. Makes sense, don't you think? -- Ron --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 4:32 PM Hi Guys, I have a question -- this discussion raised my curiosity and I noticed the motor on the studio's Nakamichi 500, 550, 600, 600-II and Yamaha TC-800D only run when they're put into play/record, or pause, but the Revox B710's motors run all the time. I don't know about the 680ZX, I can't tell if it is. Yet the speed on the 500, 550, 600, 600-II seems instantly up to speed and the sped seems stable, so I agree:  why can't the other decks leave their motors off until needed? Maybe the electronic-controlled motors need to stabilize but the mechanical motors are okay (did I phrase that right?)? On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: Runs continuously in my CD-1 CD-1.5 CR-3 CR-5 MR-1 ZX-7 Does NOT in my LX-5 --- On Mon, 10/18/10, James Brodsky wrote: From: James Brodsky Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:48 PM "Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in the higher end decks.  For example, in none of the BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure about the CR-5)." It does run continuously in my BX-300. --- On Sun, 10/17/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:03 AM Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). While I love the Studer decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station deck, where it was powered on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem motors, just plain worn out  is the usual reason.  I never understood why a simple motor shut down circuit, based on no key activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, Revox, and others. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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But we have some new, or better copies. New is for example the MR-1 service manual and several owners manuals and some brochures. Oh yeah, for those that don't know where to look: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Thanks a lot Cheryl for sending the cd's! Enjoy! Wouter From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Oct 21 16:32:34 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR 7 versus DAT (Sony 1500 or 2000ES) In-Reply-To: <583936.25466.qm@web19002.mail.hk2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <849655.70904.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is akin to the question of what is better -- sushi or ice cream -- in that it's wholly subjective. It depends on the person answering the question more than on the question itself. A listener that prefers LPs to CDs will likely prefer cassettes,  as cassettes better preserve the LP sonic character. CD aficionados will likely prefer DAT, for the same reason. -- Ron --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Desmond Chan wrote: From: Desmond Chan Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR 7 versus DAT (Sony 1500 or 2000ES) To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 10:12 PM Hi all, First I want to thank our fellow members here for their assistance a few weeks ago.  Now my mint CR 7 is in perfect working order and I have been enjoying every second of it. Just curious on how the CR 7 compares with 2 top DAT decks (i.e. Sony 1500 ES and 2000ES) when it comes to recording LPs?  I have met someone recently who has raved about the merits of DAT and I would be interested to see what our members here have to say .... really appreciate your feedback! 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Oct 21 18:26:05 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:26:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New manuals In-Reply-To: <95f340d6b8d1e60b8e4bb87021c02f56.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <95f340d6b8d1e60b8e4bb87021c02f56.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <006c01cb713c$a95fb7b0$fc1f2710$@utah.edu> Yes! thank you Cheryl!! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] New manuals I received Cheryl's manuals and it took some time to order them all. Very noticable were many manuals that are on the wiki already, scanned by myself, Scott and others. But we have some new, or better copies. New is for example the MR-1 service manual and several owners manuals and some brochures. Oh yeah, for those that don't know where to look: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Thanks a lot Cheryl for sending the cd's! Enjoy! Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From blkmacster at cox.net Thu Oct 21 20:16:06 2010 From: blkmacster at cox.net (CB) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:16:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Revox 215 vs Nak 681ZX, CR7A, Dragon et al In-Reply-To: <201010211010.o9LA8QoY003929@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010211010.o9LA8QoY003929@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000301cb714c$079639d0$16c2ad70$@net> I currently own all the above mentioned decks with the exception of the 681ZX (which I gave to WH). But as far as listening my experience goes, the best sounding machine in my collection is the Dragon, but the Revox is the most natural uncolored sounding. I prefer the Revox when I'm relaxing and just want to enjoy the music. In my system the Revox B-215 has a natural unobtrusive sonic presentation that involves one in the music rather than the medium. Personally, I would recommend that a person getting into this hobby get a Revox instead of a Nak for a number of reasons. One, and most importantly to me the Revox is built like a tank, by comparison the Nak is a toy as far as mechanical integrity and assembly goes. Second "ease/economy of repair." "I" can repair most of the problems on the Revox myself without any special tools or equipment. But will I ever sell my Naks and go with the Revox completely, at this point I really can't say. But I do know that any tape made on my Revox sounds wonderful on just about any other non Revox machine that I own (ex. My tascam 122 MKIII, my CR1A-5A's, CR7A and Dragon). Just a different opinion M~ From laurenh at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 19:47:55 2010 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:47:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] New manuals In-Reply-To: <006c01cb713c$a95fb7b0$fc1f2710$@utah.edu> References: <95f340d6b8d1e60b8e4bb87021c02f56.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <006c01cb713c$a95fb7b0$fc1f2710$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Thanks Cheryl, for making these available to Wouter, and thanks, Wouter, for making them available to the rest of us! On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Yes! thank you Cheryl!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:14 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] New manuals > > > I received Cheryl's manuals and it took some time to order them all. > Very noticable were many manuals that are on the wiki already, scanned by > myself, Scott and others. > > But we have some new, or better copies. New is for example the MR-1 > service manual and several owners manuals and some brochures. > > Oh yeah, for those that don't know where to look: > > http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents > > Thanks a lot Cheryl for sending the cd's! > > Enjoy! > > Wouter > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Oct 21 21:36:24 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Revox 215 vs Nak 681ZX, CR7A, Dragon et al In-Reply-To: <000301cb714c$079639d0$16c2ad70$@net> Message-ID: <953626.69307.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi M lot of times I keep hearing that Nak is not built like a Tank - I do not understand what people understand 'built like a Tank' means In Engineering terms, Design should be based on Functional requirements, longivity and ease of manufacturing. Building Nakamichi with 3 mm thick or 6 mma thick Aluminium plate for the chassi would have looked like a Tank - does the weight causes it to work for ever? nakamichis with the classic transport were built adequately sturdy ! Nakamichi Classic transport is very best without placing too much material in to it. Still it is heay try lifting a Dragon transport and see what I mean. If you replace the capstan belt and other two belts after a good cleaning, it works like a charm. I have seen atleast 50 dragons - all work tirelessly without losing speed even after 25 years and I know they will work without any nak specific spare (non available items) items. They just need mars communication belts and few semiconductors at the best. Infact you do not need any parts from Nakamichi if you know how to service a Dragon or ZX 7 The bearing on these transport can work another 20 years without losing any of the original specifications. The Nak heads lasts for ever what more do you need from them - even the sound is fantastic ( even lowly 482 sounds fantastic) Revox ownership cost is not same as Nakamichi in my opinion nor do I want a tank on my audio rack Kannan --- On Thu, 10/21/10, CB wrote: > From: CB > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Revox 215 vs Nak 681ZX, CR7A, Dragon et al > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 2:16 PM > > I currently own all the above mentioned decks with the > exception of the > 681ZX (which I gave to WH). But as far as listening my > experience goes, the > best sounding machine in my collection is the Dragon, but > the Revox is the > most natural uncolored sounding. I prefer the Revox when > I'm relaxing and > just want to enjoy the music. In my system the Revox B-215 > has a natural > unobtrusive sonic presentation that involves one in the > music rather than > the medium. Personally, I would recommend that a person > getting into this > hobby get a Revox instead of a Nak for a number of reasons. > One, and most > importantly to me the Revox is built like a tank, by > comparison the Nak is a > toy as far as mechanical integrity and assembly goes. > Second "ease/economy > of repair." "I" can repair most of the problems on the > Revox myself without > any special tools or equipment. But will I ever sell my > Naks and go with the > Revox completely, at this point I really can't say. But I > do know that any > tape made on my Revox sounds wonderful on just about any > other non Revox > machine that I own (ex. My tascam 122 MKIII, my CR1A-5A's, > CR7A and Dragon). > > > Just a different opinion > > M~ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mrm12000 at cableone.net Fri Oct 22 02:15:40 2010 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:15:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Revox 215 vs Nak 681ZX, CR7A, Dragon et al Message-ID: <57273.1287706540@cableone.net> All of this talk about the B215 reminds me that I have one for sale (not listed anywhere). It needs new pinch rollers, which are available on eBay. It comes with the power cord and cassette-well cover, and it's in very nice shape overall. I also have the user and service manuals. If someone is interested in it, I'm taking offers. I can provide pictures. On Thu Oct 21 11:16 , "CB" sent: > >I currently own all the above mentioned decks with the exception of the >681ZX (which I gave to WH). But as far as listening my experience goes, the >best sounding machine in my collection is the Dragon, but the Revox is the >most natural uncolored sounding. I prefer the Revox when I'm relaxing and >just want to enjoy the music. In my system the Revox B-215 has a natural >unobtrusive sonic presentation that involves one in the music rather than >the medium. Personally, I would recommend that a person getting into this >hobby get a Revox instead of a Nak for a number of reasons. One, and most >importantly to me the Revox is built like a tank, by comparison the Nak is a >toy as far as mechanical integrity and assembly goes. Second "ease/economy >of repair." "I" can repair most of the problems on the Revox myself without >any special tools or equipment. But will I ever sell my Naks and go with the >Revox completely, at this point I really can't say. But I do know that any >tape made on my Revox sounds wonderful on just about any other non Revox >machine that I own (ex. My tascam 122 MKIII, my CR1A-5A's, CR7A and Dragon). > > >Just a different opinion > >M~ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 21 23:09:11 2010 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] New manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <778668.61315.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greatly appreciated Cheryl and Wouter!  Bob N --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Lauren Horn wrote: From: Lauren Horn Subject: Re: [naktalk] New manuals To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 10:47 AM Thanks Cheryl, for making these available to Wouter, and thanks, Wouter, for making them available to the rest of us! On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Yes! thank you Cheryl!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:14 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] New manuals > > > I received Cheryl's manuals and it took some time to order them all. > Very noticable were many manuals that are on the wiki already, scanned by > myself, Scott and others. > > But we have some new, or better copies. New is for example the MR-1 > service manual and several owners manuals and some brochures. > > Oh yeah, for those that don't know where to look: > > http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents > > Thanks a lot Cheryl for sending the cd's! > > Enjoy! > > Wouter > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Like I said earlier, the Revox leaves its motors running, the Nakamichi 600 doesn't, but both are come up to speed instantly and seem to be equally stable once they are running. Sorry, maybe my blondness is working overtime today, but your reply seemed to just repeat what was said earlier, with the addition of some semantic hair-splitting. What I'm trying to learn here is the technology behind the motor controls; whether leaving the motors on is really important as some say, or is the notion others have stated that the Nakamichi designers catered to a belief that motors needed to run all the time is the answer. Seems to me that minimizing how long the motor runs extends the life of the recorder. But then again, our studio's Revox deck has thousands of hours of time on it and the motors are still OK. So maybe this is a design detail that isn't as vital as it seems? On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Ron wrote: > > > Yet the speed on the 500, 550, 600, 600-II seems instantly up to speed > and > > the sped seems stable > > 'Instantly' and 'stable' are relative terms. 'Instantly' > never equates to zero time and 'stable' is never > 100%. Bbut both are closer to these ideal values > after the motor has been running for a while. > > So, the question is, how critical are these? Design > engineers have answered this by running motors > continuously in high-end decks, where users may > not tolerate even the smallest aberrations, and not > In a 500 and such, where users won't notice the > difference. Makes sense, don't you think? > > -- Ron > > > > --- On *Wed, 10/20/10, Julie Kessler *wrote: > > > From: Julie Kessler > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 4:32 PM > > > Hi Guys, > > I have a question -- this discussion raised my curiosity and I noticed the > motor on the studio's Nakamichi 500, 550, 600, 600-II and Yamaha TC-800D > only run when they're put into play/record, or pause, but the Revox B710's > motors run all the time. I don't know about the 680ZX, I can't tell if it > is. Yet the speed on the 500, 550, 600, 600-II seems instantly up to speed > and the sped seems stable, so I agree: why can't the other decks leave > their motors off until needed? Maybe the electronic-controlled motors need > to stabilize but the mechanical motors are okay (did I phrase that right?)? > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Bob Naylor > > wrote: > > Runs continuously in my > CD-1 > CD-1.5 > CR-3 > CR-5 > MR-1 > ZX-7 > Does NOT in my LX-5 > > > --- On *Mon, 10/18/10, James Brodsky > >* wrote: > > > From: James Brodsky > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:48 PM > > > > > > > "Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in > the higher end decks. For example, in none of the > BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure > about the CR-5)." > > It does run continuously in my BX-300. > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 10/17/10, perry.nak at comcast.net > >*wrote: > > > From: perry.nak at comcast.net < > perry.nak at comcast.net > > Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:03 AM > > > Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). > While I love the Studer > decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station > deck, where it was powered > on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem > motors, just plain worn out > is the usual reason. I never understood why a simple motor shut down > circuit, based on no key > activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, > Revox, and others. > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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I don't know about those models of DAT recorders, but I know that our studio no longer accepts DAT masters because the sound quality isn't up to standard, and there's a lot of problems with reliability of the tapes and playback compatibility problems too. The studio got rid of all the DAT recorders years before I was hired. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Desmond Chan wrote: > Hi all, > First I want to thank our fellow members here for their assistance a few > weeks ago. Now my mint CR 7 is in perfect working order and I have been > enjoying every second of it. > > Just curious on how the CR 7 compares with 2 top DAT decks (i.e. Sony 1500 > ES and 2000ES) when it comes to recording LPs? 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 00:55:13 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:55:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ... also Sony TCD5 vs. Nak 550 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20101019203745.039766d0@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: Hey Terence, thanks forr the mention of the Sound Devices, HHB, Zaxcom and Aaton Cantar recorders. I'll mention those to our studio owner, Kermit, and Dave the studio tech because I know they really don't like the Nagra's sound. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Terence Lloren wrote: > Thanks for all the responses. For this project, mobility is important so I > may just go with the Sony. Per your recommendations, I long for the day that > I can try out a 550. If anyone can find a Sony 4550SD for sale these days > please let me know! > > As for digital recorders, another popular brand amonst sound recordists is > Sound Devices. They are beautiful machines that are super portable and while > the price is a bit high they are still cheaper than most in their class. If > you are looking for brands in the same price range as Nagra, I would > recommend Zaxcom, HHB, or Aaton Cantar. These babies will make your mouth > water if you are into field/sound recording but can cost upwards of 10k. > > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Julie Kessler < > juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Erich, >> >> Well, again, I gotta mention, I'm a studio intern, not an expert recording >> engineer, so I can just speak out of my experience. My guess is most >> companies who made cassette decks don't support them unless they still make >> cassettes. The exception is Revox, we can still get parts for our B710 Mk. >> II cassette, and the guys at JM Tech Arts (the USA Revox service center) are >> really great. But for any other brand of cassette, I gather you're on your >> own. That's why groups like this exist. Other than the Revox, all the >> cassette decks our studio uses are Nakamichi and one Yamaha. I'm really >> lucky that the studio owner (Kermit) and the other engineers can keep our >> cassette decks up and running. >> >> As far as portable digital recorders go, we have two in the studio, a >> Nagra VI, which has 8 channels 24 bit/96 kHz, and another Nagra digital; I >> don't remember its model but it has 2 channels of 24 bit/192 kHz. I like the >> sound of the Nakamichi 550 way better, but the Nagras sync up to our DAWs as >> well as our clients' video and digital cinema gear, so that's why we have >> them. You should hear Kermit complain about the sound of the Nagras! I >> gather he used to have analog Nagra and disliked those too. Bujt I asked the >> studio staff and they all felt Nagra are the best portable digital >> recorders, followed by Fostex, Tascam and Marantz. I'd be worried about the >> marantz, because the Marantz PMD-430 cassette I saw felt really flimsy. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Erich Veyhl wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the response on the Nak 550 vs. Sony TC-D5 portables >>> comparison. >>> >>> I used the TCD5M for years for hundreds of informal recordings of live >>> music, usually in informal and often outdoor settings, and it worked very >>> well. Likewise for the smaller Sony "Walkman Pro" WMD6, which was also >>> much better than others available at the time. I never had a Nak 550 >>> because of the cost, which I think was consideraly more than the $550 I paid >>> for the Sony D5M in the mid 80s. I have never had better than the BX300 for >>> in-home use because of the cost of the higher models, let alone the ZXL with >>> Bala's special toilet mod. I agree that using good mics is critical (for >>> the recordings, not the toilet), and believe that the mics are what limited >>> how much I got out of the Sonys. >>> >>> My Sonys don't work now because of bad power circuits. Otherwise they >>> are still in good shape and I tried to have them repaired but couldn't. >>> >>> Sony was still selling the D5M new only a few years ago and was still >>> offering rebuilt replacements and repairs for both models when I tried to >>> have mine repaired about a year ago, but when I tried to do that and sent >>> them in, Sony said it didn't have either rebuilt replacements or parts for >>> the repairs in stock, including in Japan. >>> >>> All of the other repair operations I tried say they no longer work on any >>> portable cassette recorders because it is no longer cost effective in >>> comparison with the new portable digital recorders. >>> >>> Is that always true? If so what are the comparable portable digital >>> recorders available now? >>> >>> >>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:25:07 -0500 >>> >>>> From: Julie Kessler >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-10 for cassette archiving, also Sony TCD5 >>>> vs. Nak 550 >>>> >>>> Hi Terence, >>>> >>>> I'm not an expert recordist, but I can tell you what I've heard. I've >>>> had >>>> the chance to hear the Sony TC-D5 Pro, Marantz PMD-430, Nakamichi >>>> 550, Nakamichi 350, and Uher 4000 Report L. The Uher's really awful >>>> sounding, the Marantz is really small and quiet but it seems really >>>> flimsy >>>> and sounds harsh and lifeless. I liked the sound of the Sony, and it's a >>>> little quieter than the Nakamichi (and not a back breaker either), but >>>> the >>>> Nakamichi 550 is so way much better sounding to my ears. The Nakamichi >>>> 550 just sounds so natureal and detailed, and the lmiter is really easy >>>> for >>>> someone like me to use without wrecking the sound. And the Nakamichi's >>>> 3rd mike input is really great, lets you use more versatile mike setups. >>>> The Nakamichi 550 is worth the extra weight and its tape hiss isn't as >>>> pronounced, so I'd go with the Nakamichi, but if I couldn't have a >>>> Nakamichi >>>> the Sony TC-D5 would be just about as good. I think both can make >>>> wonderful >>>> tapes if you know what you're doing and use good mikes. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Terence Lloren >>> >wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi all, >>>> > >>>> > I am a sound recordist/artist and am planning a field recording >>>> project >>>> > using cassette tapes. I am using a NOS (new old stock) Sony TC-D5 >>>> > Pro (its a > beaut!) and also have an option of buying a NOS unopened >>>> > Nak DR-10. I plan > to use the Nak for playing back to tapes to my >>>> > computer to digitize it for archive on the internet and for posterity. >>>> Any >>>> > pros/ cons for using theDR10? Problems, quirks, etc that I should know >>>> > about? >>>> > >>>> > I realize the frequency response of Audio tapes is limited compared to >>>> > today's digital standards ... >>>> > >>>> > While we are at it, I would like to hear if anyone has an opinion >>>> between >>>> > the Sony tcd5 (any version) vs. Nak 550?... >>>> > >>>> > Terence >>>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! 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While the typical Nak is substantially heavy thanks to a reasonably big transformer, good quality engineering and build quality, that pales in comparison when you take a look at decks like the B215 or the Teac Z7000. The latter are built around a cast chassis, with good layout (at least the Revox), and wiring so nice it can sit on anyone's desktop as a wallpaper. This differs from a Dragon or a ZX9 which is built around its sheet-metal base - sturdy but not right up there with the built of other professional equipment you find in recording and broadcast studios. Does the weight cause it to work for ever? That is a very good question and I suppose it depends where the weight goes. If it goes to 6mm think Aluminum front panel (like Teac and Akai's last few reel to reel decks), that may not have much impact on the built but boost sales perhaps. If you know the insides of these other equipment, you immediately start noting how things are spaced up, wiring is very neatly routed or loomed, and how certain components like the power trafo is oversized and very securely mounted. I remembered when some years go, I got a Revox G36 that was soaked in the rain and still seeped water when I made her sit upright. Two day of drying out later, she powered up and played perfect. Till today, there are still so many examples of earlier Revox, Tandberg and other machines that work for 30 or 40 years perfectly. Naks, if TLC'ed well, will make it but they have to be pampered real well. This is so much like Japanese cars that most of us own and run so well and reliably. Functional? Yes! Reliably? Most of the times. But the real brutes that withstand the test of time and survive are the beautiful but solid German cars. And cars remain relevant here because they are machines too! While Kannan's reputation on the Dragon is well known, I am afraid that any Nak (or Revox and any other machine) including the Dragon will require change parts after 25 years + of service. That, sadly is reality. While the BLDC (which what the DD motors really are) may not have too much wear, much other parts would definitely need changing. And yes these include the bearings because sleeve bearings definitely have a finite capacity due to their lubricant storing capability. Take a look at the 700ZXL service blog and you can see the color of the oil as it oozes out of the sleeve bearing after 25 years of service. I have seen many people make the mistake of thinking that if it meets the specs, all is well - not quite. Quarter of a century is a long time for machines and it is only sound engineering practice that wear and tear parts have to be replaced in any machine or instrument irregardless of it's present condition. Some may not be able to afford the high end care that guys like ESL bring, and others may not have the knowledge to perform such maintenance on their decks. But that does not make these tasks irrelevant. Every deck (nak and non-nak) that I have worked on that sounded well before having change parts replaced performed much much better after having had a replacement of wear and tear components. So to tell me that all that a 25 year old car needs is new air in the tires, I am not buying this. Bala ________________________________ From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 3:36:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Revox 215 vs Nak 681ZX, CR7A, Dragon et al Hi M lot of times I keep hearing that Nak is not built like a Tank - I do not understand what people understand 'built like a Tank' means In Engineering terms, Design should be based on Functional requirements, longivity and ease of manufacturing. Building Nakamichi with 3 mm thick or 6 mma thick Aluminium plate for the chassi would have looked like a Tank - does the weight causes it to work for ever? nakamichis with the classic transport were built adequately sturdy ! Nakamichi Classic transport is very best without placing too much material in to it. Still it is heay try lifting a Dragon transport and see what I mean. If you replace the capstan belt and other two belts after a good cleaning, it works like a charm. I have seen atleast 50 dragons - all work tirelessly without losing speed even after 25 years and I know they will work without any nak specific spare (non available items) items. They just need mars communication belts and few semiconductors at the best. Infact you do not need any parts from Nakamichi if you know how to service a Dragon or ZX 7 The bearing on these transport can work another 20 years without losing any of the original specifications. The Nak heads lasts for ever what more do you need from them - even the sound is fantastic ( even lowly 482 sounds fantastic) Revox ownership cost is not same as Nakamichi in my opinion nor do I want a tank on my audio rack Kannan --- On Thu, 10/21/10, CB wrote: > From: CB > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Revox 215 vs Nak 681ZX, CR7A, Dragon et al > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 2:16 PM > > I currently own all the above mentioned decks with the > exception of the > 681ZX (which I gave to WH). But as far as listening my > experience goes, the > best sounding machine in my collection is the Dragon, but > the Revox is the > most natural uncolored sounding. I prefer the Revox when > I'm relaxing and > just want to enjoy the music. In my system the Revox B-215 > has a natural > unobtrusive sonic presentation that involves one in the > music rather than > the medium. Personally, I would recommend that a person > getting into this > hobby get a Revox instead of a Nak for a number of reasons. > One, and most > importantly to me the Revox is built like a tank, by > comparison the Nak is a > toy as far as mechanical integrity and assembly goes. > Second "ease/economy > of repair." "I" can repair most of the problems on the > Revox myself without > any special tools or equipment. But will I ever sell my > Naks and go with the > Revox completely, at this point I really can't say. But I > do know that any > tape made on my Revox sounds wonderful on just about any > other non Revox > machine that I own (ex. My tascam 122 MKIII, my CR1A-5A's, > CR7A and Dragon). > > > Just a different opinion > > M~ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 22 00:50:10 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:50:10 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] New manuals In-Reply-To: <778668.61315.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <778668.61315.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You are all quite welcome. BTW, the disc has manuals for other Nak gear besides cassette decks. If anyone is looking for manuals for non-deck Nak gear send me a private email and if it's there I'll sent it to you via email. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:09 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New manuals Greatly appreciated Cheryl and Wouter! Bob N --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Lauren Horn wrote: From: Lauren Horn Subject: Re: [naktalk] New manuals To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 10:47 AM Thanks Cheryl, for making these available to Wouter, and thanks, Wouter, for making them available to the rest of us! On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Yes! thank you Cheryl!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:14 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] New manuals > > > I received Cheryl's manuals and it took some time to order them all. > Very noticable were many manuals that are on the wiki already, scanned by > myself, Scott and others. > > But we have some new, or better copies. New is for example the MR-1 > service manual and several owners manuals and some brochures. > > Oh yeah, for those that don't know where to look: > > http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents > > Thanks a lot Cheryl for sending the cd's! > > Enjoy! > > Wouter > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j_martino at rogers.com Fri Oct 22 02:31:29 2010 From: j_martino at rogers.com (Jay Martino) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:31:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Original Sony remote control for Elcaset In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1184BA1C-21DD-4BAF-AC7A-AD26276AA6EF@rogers.com> Watching it with interest - it also works with the TC-K7 and K8 cassette decks, as well as the TC-765 reel to reel deck, and a couple of others, I think. I have the K7 and 765, as well as an EL-7 Elcaset. Jay On 21-Oct-10, at 5:44 PM, george valkov wrote: > In case anyone is interested I have just listed a virtually unused > original Sony remote for Elcaset on ebay, Item 250714206550. > > George > > -- > "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of > professionals built the Titanic." > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ewv.tap.nak at moosecove.org Fri Oct 22 05:57:22 2010 From: ewv.tap.nak at moosecove.org (Erich Veyhl) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:57:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... also Sony TCD5 vs. Nak 550 In-Reply-To: <201010211010.o9LA8QoY003929@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010211010.o9LA8QoY003929@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20101021225836.039c8260@wheresmymailserver.com> At 06:10 AM 10/21/2010, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:59:03 -0500 >From: Julie Kessler >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... also Sony TCD5 vs. Nak 550 > >Hi Erich, > >Well, again, I gotta mention, I'm a studio intern, not an expert recording >engineer, so I can just speak out of my experience. But you are more than just an 'intern'. You have the kind of serious enthusiasm and intelligent focus that leads to success in any field, and know how to find reputable answers. > My guess is most companies who made cassette decks don't support > them unless they still make cassettes. The exception is Revox, we > can still get parts for our B710 Mk. II cassette, and the guys at > JM Tech Arts (the USA Revox service center) are really great. But > for any other brand of cassette, I gather you're on your own. > That's why groups like this exist. Other than the Revox, all the > cassette decks our studio uses are Nakamichi and one Yamaha. I'm > really lucky that the studio owner (Kermit) and the other engineers > can keep our cassette decks up and running. Thanks for checking with the experts you work with. I'll keep JM Tech Arts in mind for my Revox B77 (open reel). >As far as portable digital recorders go, we have two in the studio, a Nagra >VI, which has 8 channels 24 bit/96 kHz, and another Nagra digital; I don't >remember its model but it has 2 channels of 24 bit/192 kHz. I looked up the 2 channel Nagra: The model is LB and it sells for over $3000. I hope there is something less expensive that the repair experts have in mind when they say they stopped repairing all cassette portables because digital recorders now available are more cost effective. >I like the sound of the Nakamichi 550 way better, but the Nagras >sync up to our DAWs as well as our clients' video and digital cinema >gear, so that's why we have them. What do you like better about the way the 550 sounds in comparison with the Nagra digitals, in terms of accuracy of reproduction? >You should hear Kermit complain about the sound of the Nagras! I >gather he used to have analog Nagra and disliked those too. Nagras were well known for robust field recording, but apparently were not originally intended for the best possible reproduction of live music professionally recorded, even though they have always cost a lot because of the over all quality. What does he think of the sound of the 550 in comparison with the non-portable Naks? >Bujt I asked the studio staff and they all felt Nagra are the best >portable digital recorders, followed by Fostex, Tascam and Marantz. >I'd be worried about the marantz, because the Marantz PMD-430 >cassette I saw felt really flimsy. Nagra also has a smaller hand-held digital recorder more resembling the consumer recorders made by Marantz and costing about 1/3 that of the Nagra LB: http://www.nagraaudio.com/pro/index.php > radio > ARES-ML What do they think of that one? Is that what they meant in their comparison that you reported or were they referring to the Nagra LB and the VI which you have there? I have read that the best of the Marantz consumer recorders, like their PMD671, have been a big breakthrough over the last few years (going back to their PMD660), but have noisy pre-amps that clash with many microphones. I'm still trying to figure out what digital recorders are supposed to be a cost effective replacement for high quality cassette portables like the Nak 550 and Sony D5M, let alone the more affordable but good ones like the Sony 'Walkman Pro' WMD6, none of which can be repaired any longer. The 'low end' Nagra ARES-ML is about $1000, and the other 'consumer' brands go down to a few hundred but don't seem to have the quality of the best classic cassette portables. (And you didn't think even the > $3000 Nagra LB sounded as good as the Nak 550.) >On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Erich Veyhl wrote: > > > Thanks for the response on the Nak 550 vs. Sony TC-D5 portables comparison. > > > > I used the TCD5M for years for hundreds of informal recordings of live > > music, usually in informal and often outdoor settings, and it worked very > > well. Likewise for the smaller Sony "Walkman Pro" WMD6, which was also > > much better than others available at the time. I never had a Nak 550 > > because of the cost, which I think was consideraly more than the > $550 I paid > > for the Sony D5M in the mid 80s. I have never had better than > the BX300 for > > in-home use because of the cost of the higher models, let alone > the ZXL with > > Bala's special toilet mod. I agree that using good mics is critical (for > > the recordings, not the toilet), and believe that the mics are what limited > > how much I got out of the Sonys. > > > > My Sonys don't work now because of bad power circuits. Otherwise they are > > still in good shape and I tried to have them repaired but couldn't. > > > > Sony was still selling the D5M new only a few years ago and was still > > offering rebuilt replacements and repairs for both models when I tried to > > have mine repaired about a year ago, but when I tried to do that and sent > > them in, Sony said it didn't have either rebuilt replacements or parts for > > the repairs in stock, including in Japan. > > > > All of the other repair operations I tried say they no longer work on any > > portable cassette recorders because it is no longer cost effective in > > comparison with the new portable digital recorders. > > > > Is that always true? If so what are the comparable portable digital > > recorders available now? > > > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:25:07 -0500 > > > >> From: Julie Kessler > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-10 for cassette archiving, also Sony TCD5 > >> vs. Nak 550 > >> > >> Hi Terence, > >> > >> I'm not an expert recordist, but I can tell you what I've heard. I've had > >> the chance to hear the Sony TC-D5 Pro, Marantz PMD-430, Nakamichi > >> 550, Nakamichi 350, and Uher 4000 Report L. The Uher's really awful > >> sounding, the Marantz is really small and quiet but it seems really flimsy > >> and sounds harsh and lifeless. I liked the sound of the Sony, and it's a > >> little quieter than the Nakamichi (and not a back breaker either), but the > >> Nakamichi 550 is so way much better sounding to my ears. The Nakamichi > >> 550 just sounds so natureal and detailed, and the lmiter is really easy > >> for > >> someone like me to use without wrecking the sound. And the Nakamichi's > >> 3rd mike input is really great, lets you use more versatile mike setups. > >> The Nakamichi 550 is worth the extra weight and its tape hiss isn't as > >> pronounced, so I'd go with the Nakamichi, but if I couldn't have a > >> Nakamichi > >> the Sony TC-D5 would be just about as good. I think both can make > >> wonderful > >> tapes if you know what you're doing and use good mikes. > >> > >> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Terence Lloren >> >wrote: > >> > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > I am a sound recordist/artist and am planning a field recording project > >> > using cassette tapes. I am using a NOS (new old stock) Sony TC-D5 > >> > Pro (its a > beaut!) and also have an option of buying a NOS unopened > >> > Nak DR-10. I plan > to use the Nak for playing back to tapes to my > >> > computer to digitize it for archive on the internet and for posterity. > >> Any > >> > pros/ cons for using theDR10? Problems, quirks, etc that I should know > >> > about? > >> > > >> > I realize the frequency response of Audio tapes is limited compared to > >> > today's digital standards ... > >> > > >> > While we are at it, I would like to hear if anyone has an opinion > >> between > >> > the Sony tcd5 (any version) vs. Nak 550?... > >> > > >> > Terence > >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >http://www.kvglabs.com >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101020/dc08a32f/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:32:19 -0500 >From: Julie Kessler >Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Guys, > >I have a question -- this discussion raised my curiosity and I noticed the >motor on the studio's Nakamichi 500, 550, 600, 600-II and Yamaha TC-800D >only run when they're put into play/record, or pause, but the Revox B710's >motors run all the time. I don't know about the 680ZX, I can't tell if it >is. Yet the speed on the 500, 550, 600, 600-II seems instantly up to speed >and the sped seems stable, so I agree: why can't the other decks leave >their motors off until needed? Maybe the electronic-controlled motors need >to stabilize but the mechanical motors are okay (did I phrase that right?)? > >On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > > > Runs continuously in my > > CD-1 > > CD-1.5 > > CR-3 > > CR-5 > > MR-1 > > ZX-7 > > Does NOT in my LX-5 > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 10/18/10, James Brodsky * wrote: > > > > > > From: James Brodsky > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in > > the higher end decks. For example, in none of the > > BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure > > about the CR-5)." > > > > It does run continuously in my BX-300. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 10/17/10, > perry.nak at comcast.net > > >*wrote: > > > > > > From: perry.nak at comcast.net < > > perry.nak at comcast.net > > > Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:03 AM > > > > > > Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). > > While I love the Studer > > decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station > > deck, where it was powered > > on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem > > motors, just plain worn out > > is the usual reason. I never understood why a simple motor shut down > > circuit, based on no key > > activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, > > Revox, and others. > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! 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Someone told me once that >the LX-5 and the RX-505 have the same tape transport....I've not had >a LX-5 to >compare. > > >________________________________ > > >Runs continuously in my >CD-1 >CD-1.5 >CR-3 >CR-5 >MR-1 >ZX-7 >Does NOT in my LX-5 > >--- On Mon, 10/18/10, James Brodsky wrote: > >From: James Brodsky >Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:48 PM > > > > > > >"Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in >the higher end decks. For example, in none of the >BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure >about the CR-5)." > > >It does run continuously in my BX-300. >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101020/adc03d58/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:03:18 -0600 >From: "Victor Gabrenas" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Message-ID: <002101cb70a2$9a254de0$ce6fe9a0$@utah.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Single vs dual capstan? > > > >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > >Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > >155 S 1400 E RM 233 Office: LCB105 > >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 > > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Julie Kessler >Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:32 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > > > >Hi Guys, > >I have a question -- this discussion raised my curiosity and I noticed the >motor on the studio's Nakamichi 500, 550, 600, 600-II and Yamaha TC-800D >only run when they're put into play/record, or pause, but the Revox B710's >motors run all the time. I don't know about the 680ZX, I can't tell if it >is. Yet the speed on the 500, 550, 600, 600-II seems instantly up to speed >and the sped seems stable, so I agree: why can't the other decks leave >their motors off until needed? Maybe the electronic-controlled motors need >to stabilize but the mechanical motors are okay (did I phrase that right?)? > >On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > > >Runs continuously in my >CD-1 >CD-1.5 >CR-3 >CR-5 >MR-1 >ZX-7 >Does NOT in my LX-5 > > > >--- On Mon, 10/18/10, James Brodsky wrote: > > >From: James Brodsky > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:48 PM > > > > > > > > >"Thus, the capstan motor runs continuously only in >the higher end decks. For example, in none of the >BX series, except for the CR-7 (I am not sure >about the CR-5)." > >It does run continuously in my BX-300. > > > > > > >--- On Sun, 10/17/10, perry.nak at comcast.net > > wrote: > > >From: perry.nak at comcast.net > > > >Subject: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:03 AM > > > >Yes, that was a major difference between the original and MKII. (Dolby C). >While I love the Studer > > decks, any used one you find will most likely have been a radio station >deck, where it was powered > >on 24/7/365 for possibly years. Not weak motors at all, or even problem >motors, just plain worn out > > is the usual reason. I never understood why a simple motor shut down >circuit, based on no key > > activity of 30 minutes, or no cassette sensed wasn't incorporated in Naks, >Revox, and others. > > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >http://www.kvglabs.com > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20101020/e4dcd099/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 92, Issue 19 >*************************************** From cles at o2.pl Fri Oct 22 08:24:03 2010 From: cles at o2.pl (cles at o2.pl) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:24:03 +0200 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[naktalk]_Nak_CR_7_versus_DAT?= =?UTF-8?Q?_(Sony_1500_or_2000ES)?= In-Reply-To: References: <583936.25466.qm@web19002.mail.hk2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Oct 22 10:25:04 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:25:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] New manuals In-Reply-To: References: <778668.61315.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7f25ecb7725fcaed315b3d2a95ad0ff5.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Please take a look at the wiki page, you will see that ALL manuals from the cd's are there if they were not there already. There already were many non-cassette-deck documents there, documents that were missing were added. Cd's contained a lot of documents that were already on the wiki page, some on the cd in altered form (reduced size by removing pages), those I did not add. The cd's contained also a lot of duplicates, the 'CA-7/CA-7A' owners manual which is 1 file would be copied to 2 (sometimes almost) identical files on the cd, one 'CA-7' and one 'CA-7A', i did not copy those since 1 file is enough, the wiki page explains which models are covered in each file. Hope this clarifies. Wouter > You are all quite welcome. BTW, the disc has manuals for other Nak gear > besides cassette decks. > > If anyone is looking for manuals for non-deck Nak gear send me a private > email and if it's there I'll sent it to you via email. > > > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > > From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 11:09:29 2010 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:09:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Original Sony remote control for Elcaset In-Reply-To: <1184BA1C-21DD-4BAF-AC7A-AD26276AA6EF@rogers.com> References: <1184BA1C-21DD-4BAF-AC7A-AD26276AA6EF@rogers.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jay, I have mentioned some of the other decks it can be used with in the item description. I still can't get over the price at which that german site is listing it new for - 650 USD ? On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Jay Martino wrote: > Watching it with interest - it also works with the TC-K7 and K8 cassette > decks, as well as the TC-765 reel to reel deck, and a couple of others, I > think. I have the K7 and 765, as well as an EL-7 Elcaset. > > Jay > > > On 21-Oct-10, at 5:44 PM, george valkov wrote: > > In case anyone is interested I have just listed a virtually unused >> original Sony remote for Elcaset on ebay, Item 250714206550. >> >> George >> >> -- >> "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of >> professionals built the Titanic." >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blkmacster at cox.net Fri Oct 22 17:35:43 2010 From: blkmacster at cox.net (CB) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:35:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Revox 215 vs Nak 681ZX, CR7A, Dragon et al In-Reply-To: <201010221128.o9MBQV6R010519@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010221128.o9MBQV6R010519@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001101cb71fe$ca4b3770$5ee1a650$@net> RE"Hi M lot of times I keep hearing that Nak is not built like a Tank - I do not understand what people understand 'built like a Tank' means In Engineering terms, Design should be based on Functional requirements, longivity and ease of manufacturing. Building Nakamichi with 3 mm thick or 6 mma thick Aluminium plate for the chassi would have looked like a Tank - does the weight causes it to work for ever? nakamichis with the classic transport were built adequately sturdy ! Nakamichi Classic transport is very best without placing too much material in to it. Still it is heay try lifting a Dragon transport and see what I mean. If you replace the capstan belt and other two belts after a good cleaning, it works like a charm. I have seen atleast 50 dragons - all work tirelessly without losing speed even after 25 years and I know they will work without any nak specific spare (non available items) items. They just need mars communication belts and few semiconductors at the best. Infact you do not need any parts from Nakamichi if you know how to service a Dragon or ZX 7 The bearing on these transport can work another 20 years without losing any of the original specifications. The Nak heads lasts for ever what more do you need from them - even the sound is fantastic ( even lowly 482 sounds fantastic) Revox ownership cost is not same as Nakamichi in my opinion nor do I want a tank on my audio rack Kannan" Kannan What a person prefers is ultimately up to them and them alone, whether it's built like a tank or some particular sonic signature. However when soliciting opinions, it is much more comforting to me to have one from someone who currently owns a product rather than one who is basing his comments on memory or some other facet of supposed objectivity. I currently own and use all the decks mentioned above with the exception of the 681ZX. Both the 681ZX and CR7A were brought new (NIB) by me and I've owed them for almost 20 or so years, for whatever that's worth. I happen to like the fact that the Revox is built like a tank and since I live in Ca that's important me in case we get the big one here. But back OT, I'm simply giving an opinion based on my "current" experience, whether it's relevant to you or not, that's for you to decide. Nothing again the Nak sound I own 7 of them, so I must like it also, but I'm really struggling with which one of them is "natural" and right now the Revox seems to be it. Tomorrow when the "v" and "F" here are different it might change. Perhaps we could exchange tapes and you could in some sense listen to what I'm talking about. Like I said before just a different take. M~ From blkmacster at cox.net Fri Oct 22 18:04:54 2010 From: blkmacster at cox.net (CB) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:04:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Revox 215 vs Nak 681ZX, CR7A, Dragon et al In-Reply-To: <201010221128.o9MBQV6R010519@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010221128.o9MBQV6R010519@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002201cb7202$ddf31eb0$99d95c10$@net> Bala Gets it! The insides of the Revox are a breath of fresh air compared to those of lets a Dragon (ugh) or a (CR5-7A) or ugh a 681ZX. But... as to what deck sounds the "most accurate", I would say it's the Revox B-215. Now as to which deck sounds the "best," I would give that to my Dragon. To me and in my system they are two different things. Sometimes I want the best sound, sometimes I want the most accurate sound. M~ RE" Message: 17 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Revox 215 vs Nak 681ZX, CR7A, Dragon et al To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <881917.44644.qm at web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I think the oft used phrase 'built like a tank' is being take literally here. I was just imagining how a beastly ZXL would be like with 6mm think Aluminum plating, and maybe some steel mesh grille for the cassette door, display areas, hard points on either sides for attaching the Dolby C module and other accessories would be like - menacing! While the typical Nak is substantially heavy thanks to a reasonably big transformer, good quality engineering and build quality, that pales in comparison when you take a look at decks like the B215 or the Teac Z7000. The latter are built around a cast chassis, with good layout (at least the Revox), and wiring so nice it can sit on anyone's desktop as a wallpaper. This differs from a Dragon or a ZX9 which is built around its sheet-metal base - sturdy but not right up there with the built of other professional equipment you find in recording and broadcast studios. Does the weight cause it to work for ever? That is a very good question and I suppose it depends where the weight goes. If it goes to 6mm think Aluminum front panel (like Teac and Akai's last few reel to reel decks), that may not have much impact on the built but boost sales perhaps. If you know the insides of these other equipment, you immediately start noting how things are spaced up, wiring is very neatly routed or loomed, and how certain components like the power trafo is oversized and very securely mounted. I remembered when some years go, I got a Revox G36 that was soaked in the rain and still seeped water when I made her sit upright. Two day of drying out later, she powered up and played perfect. Till today, there are still so many examples of earlier Revox, Tandberg and other machines that work for 30 or 40 years perfectly. Naks, if TLC'ed well, will make it but they have to be pampered real well. This is so much like Japanese cars that most of us own and run so well and reliably. Functional? Yes! Reliably? Most of the times. But the real brutes that withstand the test of time and survive are the beautiful but solid German cars. And cars remain relevant here because they are machines too! While Kannan's reputation on the Dragon is well known, I am afraid that any Nak (or Revox and any other machine) including the Dragon will require change parts after 25 years + of service. That, sadly is reality. While the BLDC (which what the DD motors really are) may not have too much wear, much other parts would definitely need changing. And yes these include the bearings because sleeve bearings definitely have a finite capacity due to their lubricant storing capability. Take a look at the 700ZXL service blog and you can see the color of the oil as it oozes out of the sleeve bearing after 25 years of service. I have seen many people make the mistake of thinking that if it meets the specs, all is well - not quite. Quarter of a century is a long time for machines and it is only sound engineering practice that wear and tear parts have to be replaced in any machine or instrument irregardless of it's present condition. Some may not be able to afford the high end care that guys like ESL bring, and others may not have the knowledge to perform such maintenance on their decks. But that does not make these tasks irrelevant. Every deck (nak and non-nak) that I have worked on that sounded well before having change parts replaced performed much much better after having had a replacement of wear and tear components. So to tell me that all that a 25 year old car needs is new air in the tires, I am not buying this. Bala" From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Oct 22 18:36:36 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:B710 vs B710MKII/motors and bearings Message-ID: <420438.28227.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Julie, I think you answered your own question; it depends on the motor(s) & bearing arrangements. Since many small motors have sintered bronze bearings, it's just a matter of time before the lubrication dries and starts to gall the motor shaft. Most small motors don't have permanently sealed ball bearings, but some do. Larger motors made for continuous use (that don't have sealed ball bearings), usually have bearing cups and/or cups and fill tubes to add the correct lubrication oil, so the oil goes directly to the bearing arrangement (often absent even in large R2R's). I would guess that absence stems from the different positions R2R's can be put to work in. However, some oil-wicking felt in the right place would prevent angled oil 'spill'. The fact that the Revox motors seem to last so long (in continuous use), is directly proportional to their motor bearing/lubrication arrangement. If I could see one taken apart, I could tell you better. Message: 14 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:45:19 -0500 From: Julie Kessler Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Ron, I guess I was asking why it hasn't been technologically-possible and some of the recorders leave the motor running. Like I said earlier, the Revox leaves its motors running, the Nakamichi 600 doesn't, but both are come up to speed instantly and seem to be equally stable once they are running. Sorry, maybe my blondness is working overtime today, but your reply seemed to just repeat what was said earlier, with the addition of some semantic hair-splitting. What I'm trying to learn here is the technology behind the motor controls; whether leaving the motors on is really important as some say, or is the notion others have stated that the Nakamichi designers catered to a belief that motors needed to run all the time is the answer. Seems to me that minimizing how long the motor runs extends the life of the recorder. But then again, our studio's Revox deck has thousands of hours of time on it and the motors are still OK. So maybe this is a design detail that isn't as vital as it seems? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 22 19:16:50 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 07:16:50 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] New manuals In-Reply-To: <7f25ecb7725fcaed315b3d2a95ad0ff5.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <778668.61315.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7f25ecb7725fcaed315b3d2a95ad0ff5.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: There were also some errors in the naming. The CD had 2 service manuals and one owner's manual for the 581. One of the SM's was really a different version of the owner's manual and the other SM was a schematic only. Didn't go through the whole thing, but whoever put it together wasn't paying very close attention. Hadn't looked at the Wiki yet -- thanks for posting the non-cassette decks too. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:25 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New manuals Please take a look at the wiki page, you will see that ALL manuals from the cd's are there if they were not there already. There already were many non-cassette-deck documents there, documents that were missing were added. Cd's contained a lot of documents that were already on the wiki page, some on the cd in altered form (reduced size by removing pages), those I did not add. The cd's contained also a lot of duplicates, the 'CA-7/CA-7A' owners manual which is 1 file would be copied to 2 (sometimes almost) identical files on the cd, one 'CA-7' and one 'CA-7A', i did not copy those since 1 file is enough, the wiki page explains which models are covered in each file. Hope this clarifies. Wouter > You are all quite welcome. BTW, the disc has manuals for other Nak gear > besides cassette decks. > > If anyone is looking for manuals for non-deck Nak gear send me a private > email and if it's there I'll sent it to you via email. > > > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at verizon.net Sat Oct 23 00:20:54 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:20:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] New manuals In-Reply-To: References: <778668.61315.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7f25ecb7725fcaed315b3d2a95ad0ff5.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <0LAP00MOTQ2UPV50@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> I received the CDs today. Thank you! At 01:16 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote: >There were also some errors in the naming. The CD had 2 service manuals and >one owner's manual for the 581. One of the SM's was really a different >version of the owner's manual and the other SM was a schematic only. Didn't >go through the whole thing, but whoever put it together wasn't paying very >close attention. > >Hadn't looked at the Wiki yet -- thanks for posting the non-cassette decks >too. > >Cheryl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Wouter Heijke >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:25 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New manuals > >Please take a look at the wiki page, you will see that ALL manuals from >the cd's are there if they were not there already. >There already were many non-cassette-deck documents there, documents that >were missing were added. >Cd's contained a lot of documents that were already on the wiki page, some >on the cd in altered form (reduced size by removing pages), those I did >not add. >The cd's contained also a lot of duplicates, the 'CA-7/CA-7A' owners >manual which is 1 file would be copied to 2 (sometimes almost) identical >files on the cd, one 'CA-7' and one 'CA-7A', i did not copy those since 1 >file is enough, the wiki page explains which models are covered in each >file. > >Hope this clarifies. > >Wouter > > > You are all quite welcome. BTW, the disc has manuals for other Nak gear > > besides cassette decks. > > > > If anyone is looking for manuals for non-deck Nak gear send me a private > > email and if it's there I'll sent it to you via email. > > > > > > > > Aloha, > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From j_martino at rogers.com Sat Oct 23 01:36:55 2010 From: j_martino at rogers.com (Jay Martino) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:36:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Original Sony remote control for Elcaset In-Reply-To: References: <1184BA1C-21DD-4BAF-AC7A-AD26276AA6EF@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4FC3AC20-2426-471A-A377-0C383CD723B2@rogers.com> $650 is what I'd expect to get for my EL-7, including a dozen tapes and the manual, certainly not the remote alone. I saw a couple (remotes) go on EBay a few months ago for between $100 and $200 though (not that past performance is an indicator etc). Jay On 22-Oct-10, at 5:09 AM, george valkov wrote: > Thanks Jay, I have mentioned some of the other decks it can be used > with in the item description. I still can't get over the price at > which that german site is listing it new for - 650 USD ? > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Jay Martino > wrote: > Watching it with interest - it also works with the TC-K7 and K8 > cassette decks, as well as the TC-765 reel to reel deck, and a > couple of others, I think. I have the K7 and 765, as well as an EL-7 > Elcaset. > > Jay > > > On 21-Oct-10, at 5:44 PM, george valkov wrote: > > In case anyone is interested I have just listed a virtually unused > original Sony remote for Elcaset on ebay, Item 250714206550. > > George > > -- > "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of > professionals built the Titanic." > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > -- > "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of > professionals built the Titanic." > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 23 01:56:21 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:56:21 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 is FIXED!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <778668.61315.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><7f25ecb7725fcaed315b3d2a95ad0ff5.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Well, sort of....Had a lot of trouble finding the right replacement cap, but the temporary cap for C212 arrived this afternoon. Hehehe...it's a monstrous 400V cap and wouldn't fit through the holes so I had to solder it to the solder side of the board. It looks pretty funny. Hopefully the replacement cap will be small enough so that I can put the case back on. :-) Both Dolby and MPX are both back on the right channel and working fine!!! Yay!!! I did it and even figured out which cap was suspect. There's hope! In case anyone needs a good laugh I attached a picture. Aloha, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC_0140.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2447265 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 23 01:58:44 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:58:44 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] New manuals In-Reply-To: <0LAP00MOTQ2UPV50@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> References: <778668.61315.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><7f25ecb7725fcaed315b3d2a95ad0ff5.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <0LAP00MOTQ2UPV50@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: You're very welcome. Hope it proves useful. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:21 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New manuals I received the CDs today. Thank you! At 01:16 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote: >There were also some errors in the naming. The CD had 2 service manuals and >one owner's manual for the 581. One of the SM's was really a different >version of the owner's manual and the other SM was a schematic only. Didn't >go through the whole thing, but whoever put it together wasn't paying very >close attention. > >Hadn't looked at the Wiki yet -- thanks for posting the non-cassette decks >too. > >Cheryl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Wouter Heijke >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:25 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New manuals > >Please take a look at the wiki page, you will see that ALL manuals from >the cd's are there if they were not there already. >There already were many non-cassette-deck documents there, documents that >were missing were added. >Cd's contained a lot of documents that were already on the wiki page, some >on the cd in altered form (reduced size by removing pages), those I did >not add. >The cd's contained also a lot of duplicates, the 'CA-7/CA-7A' owners >manual which is 1 file would be copied to 2 (sometimes almost) identical >files on the cd, one 'CA-7' and one 'CA-7A', i did not copy those since 1 >file is enough, the wiki page explains which models are covered in each >file. > >Hope this clarifies. > >Wouter > > > You are all quite welcome. BTW, the disc has manuals for other Nak gear > > besides cassette decks. > > > > If anyone is looking for manuals for non-deck Nak gear send me a private > > email and if it's there I'll sent it to you via email. > > > > > > > > Aloha, > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sat Oct 23 18:06:51 2010 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 16:06:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 playing at very low volume - Help! In-Reply-To: <620003.20421.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4C8B289D.9060902@comcast.net>, <620003.20421.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I started buying Naks in 2007 when I bought my first HiFi system and so far have only managed to acquire a few later models like the CR4, BX300 and a CD1. I used to read with interest various discussions here on NakTalk regarding the classic transport Naks and always wanted to buy a classic Nak so I recently bought an LX-5 on eBay but it turns out that it only plays in one channel and that at a very very low volume with a lot of noise. First I thought that Then I thought that maybe the heads were very badly magnetised so tried to de-magnetise them but this did not work. Then I thought that the heads were severely misaligned so tried to align the heads but to no avail. Accidentally, I discovered something else during this process that when I hover my finger over the playback head I can see the level meters move all the way up to the end. This happens even when my finger is at least an inch above the head. I read a long time ago on NakTalk that a similar type of problem occurred with 582s when a lamp failed somewhere in the deck but wasn't sure about the LX-5. Just being curious, I took the front panel off and found that the tape counter lamp (or I thought it was a tape counter lamp) was working. The only lamp which is not working on this deck is the lamp behind the cassette door cover. As much as I don't like to think that the head is worn, I am now inclined to lean more and more towards it. Have any of you guys had this problem with an LX-5 and what could be the cause of this? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Regards Nadeem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Oct 23 20:14:49 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:14:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 playing at very low volume - Help! In-Reply-To: References: <4C8B289D.9060902@comcast.net> <620003.20421.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What you're describing is a missing ground to that channel of the head. Take the front panel off and check the wires where they solder to the head. With luck it's just a resolder job. If not it could be an open play head in that channel which is not unheard of for that model. The stop lamp problem puts the whole unit in mute mode so you would get no sound from either channel - and that doesn't apply to the LX-5 anyway. Best of luck. Willy On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Mercedes Benz < mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I started buying Naks in 2007 when I bought my first HiFi system and so far > have only managed to acquire a few later models like the CR4, BX300 and a > CD1. > > I used to read with interest various discussions here on NakTalk regarding > the classic transport Naks and always wanted to buy a classic Nak so I > recently bought an LX-5 on eBay but it turns out that it only plays in one > channel and that at a very very low volume with a lot of noise. > > First I thought that Then I thought that maybe the heads were very badly > magnetised so tried to de-magnetise them but this did not work. Then I > thought that the heads were severely misaligned so tried to align the heads > but to no avail. Accidentally, I discovered something else during this > process that when I hover my finger over the playback head I can see the > level meters move all the way up to the end. This happens even when my > finger is at least an inch above the head. > > I read a long time ago on NakTalk that a similar type of problem occurred > with 582s when a lamp failed somewhere in the deck but wasn't sure about the > LX-5. Just being curious, I took the front panel off and found that the tape > counter lamp (or I thought it was a tape counter lamp) was working. The only > lamp which is not working on this deck is the lamp behind the cassette door > cover. > > As much as I don't like to think that the head is worn, I am now inclined > to lean more and more towards it. > > Have any of you guys had this problem with an LX-5 and what could be the > cause of this? > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Oct 23 21:14:53 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:14:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 not going into play In-Reply-To: <117932.42461.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <117932.42461.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It could be as simple as a stretched cam belt. Try replacing that first. If it's more than that suspect both the pinch roller rocker arms and the shaft of the white plastic wheel which drives the cam. Both points used the magic solidifying lubricant! Willy On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > I have my spare LX-5 not going completely into play. What happens is the > tape will play but it looks like the "cam" (not sure of the correct > terminology) is not going to it's proper position and the motor (cam motor I > guess?) continues to run. I can help the "cam" go into it's proper position > with my finger, then the "cam motor" stops running and the tape plays > normally. I'm thinking that it's NOT the electrical adjustment because it's > been fine, but maybe a lubrication problem? I have clock oil which I figure > should be fine. Any ideas? Also any ideas where to lubricate or NOT to > lubricate? Thank you. Bob N > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 21:41:58 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:41:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:B710 vs B710MKII/motors and bearings In-Reply-To: <420438.28227.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <420438.28227.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kevin, OK, see I told you the blondness was working overtime! That makes all kinds of sense! I get it now. Thanks for the explanation, it seems simple and obvious once you've explained it. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Julie, > I think you answered your own question; it depends on the motor(s) & > bearing arrangements. > Since many small motors have sintered bronze bearings, it's just a matter > of time before the lubrication dries and starts to gall the motor shaft. > Most small motors don't have permanently sealed ball bearings, but some do. > > Larger motors made for continuous use (that don't have sealed ball > bearings), usually have bearing cups and/or cups and fill tubes to add the > correct lubrication oil, so the oil goes directly to the bearing arrangement > (often absent even in large R2R's). I would guess that absence stems from > the different positions R2R's can be put to work in. However, some > oil-wicking felt in the right place would prevent angled oil 'spill'. > > The fact that the Revox motors seem to last so long (in continuous use), is > directly proportional to their motor bearing/lubrication arrangement. If I > could see one taken apart, I could tell you better. > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:45:19 -0500 > From: Julie Kessler > Subject: Re: [naktalk] B710 vs B710MKII > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Ron, > > I guess I was asking why it hasn't been technologically-possible and some > of > the recorders leave the motor running. Like I said earlier, the Revox > leaves > its motors running, the Nakamichi 600 doesn't, but both are come up to > speed > instantly and seem to be equally stable once they are running. > > Sorry, maybe my blondness is working overtime today, but your reply seemed > to just repeat what was said earlier, with the addition of some semantic > hair-splitting. > > What I'm trying to learn here is the technology behind the motor controls; > whether leaving the motors on is really important as some say, or is the > notion others have stated that the Nakamichi designers catered to a belief > that motors needed to run all the time is the answer. > > Seems to me that minimizing how long the motor runs extends the life of the > recorder. But then again, our studio's Revox deck has thousands of hours > of > time on it and the motors are still OK. > > So maybe this is a design detail that isn't as vital as it seems? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 21:49:20 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:49:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR 7 versus DAT (Sony 1500 or 2000ES) In-Reply-To: References: <583936.25466.qm@web19002.mail.hk2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I asked about it and what I was told is that they had 5 DAT machines, including an HHB DTR-8S, Pioneer D-9601 (96 kHz), and a StellaDAT II with the 96 kHz option. None of them sounded as good as the DAW or the analog recorders, which included 30 ips Ampex MR-70, Scully 280 and Studer A80 machines and a bunch of Nakamichi cassette decks. But they needed the DAT's to take tapes from clients for mastering jobs, but that tape error issues were always a problem, and when DAT tapes from mastering clients became less common they dropped the DAT tape format. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:24 AM, wrote: > I am not sure what sound quality issues they had with DAT standard as it is > technically and sonically speaking superior to CDDA. You could have some > DATs running at 96kHz sampling freq. That is far beyond redbook. > Greg > > > Dnia 22 października 2010 0:53 Julie Kessler < > juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> napisał(a): > > Hi Des, > > One thing I've learned is that listening tastes vary all over the place; I > like the way a LP sounds better when re-recorded onto a CD, the CD seems to > preserve the LP as-is ... a cassette copy sounds really great too but some > of the top-end seems missing to me, and copying a CD or MP3 to cassette sees > to make it come alive. > > I don't know about those models of DAT recorders, but I know that our > studio no longer accepts DAT masters because the sound quality isn't up to > standard, and there's a lot of problems with reliability of the tapes and > playback compatibility problems too. The studio got rid of all the DAT > recorders years before I was hired. > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Desmond Chan wrote: > >> Hi all, >> First I want to thank our fellow members here for their assistance a few >> weeks ago. Now my mint CR 7 is in perfect working order and I have been >> enjoying every second of it. >> >> Just curious on how the CR 7 compares with 2 top DAT decks (i.e. Sony 1500 >> ES and 2000ES) when it comes to recording LPs? I have met someone recently >> who has raved about the merits of DAT and I would be interested to see what >> our members here have to say .... really appreciate your feedback! >> >> Des >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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(up to 17 Naks now, still the same opinion) This was a deck that was "calibrated and brought fully up to original spec by the premier Revox service facility in the US". We all know what that usually means in ebay speak. Nothing. First, I had to replace all the Frako caps, which are both ticking time bombs and drift all over the spectrum. The PS caps tend to fail to shorts, somewhat unusual for an electrolytic. Then I had to replace all the Philips caps, as many of them too had drifted way out of spec. (like 100uF at 48uF). All that helped a lot, but the noise floor was still significantly higher. I then received some great advice from an audio designer and fellow tapehead, to replace the early, non linear, higher distortion, cmos analog switches with newer, lower, linear versions. (14051, 2, 3s and 4066 with HC4051, etc). Again, there were substantial audio improvements and lowered noise floor, say approaching that of a 680zx, but still not near a ZX-7 or Dragon. The B215 has an amazing 3 frequency eq auto cal, that produces a flatter FR from 50 to 20kz than any other deck I've used (never have used a 1000 or 700zxl), with any tape, and HX-Pro gets the most out of the admittedly mediocre sandwiched heads. Below 50Hz, the FR is quite varied compared to any 3 head Nak. The next 2 B215s were virtually clones of what I experienced on the first one, so I don't believe that my experience is a singular one. Everything said about the layout and easy service of the B215 is exactly true. Unlike most Naks, the B215 at least, is extremely pressure roller sensitive, good W&F figures are not possible with old rollers. Even with new or rebuilt ones, and a totally cleaned and lubricated transport, I could not achieve the kind of numbers I get with Dragons, though well below that of any belt drive Nak. Though I have to admit the 4 motor transport handles tape FF/REW, end of tape stop, and tape tension far superior to even the Dragon. I guess my point is that, "built like a tank", and German engineering and Swiss construction may contribute to a lot of positive factors, but does not guarantee that the total package is superior in all aspects. I can not call the fully calibrated and serviced B215 more accurate than a fully calibrated and serviced Dragon or ZX-7, not at all. It is very neutral, but the highest frequency resolutions, and lowest bass balance are inferior to TOTL Naks, in addition to the higher noise floor. Though I would readily admit that over time, the B215 will stay in spec longer, require less maintenance, travels better, and handles tape with great delicacy. But it absolutely does require significant rework and rebuild after 25 - 30 years, more than even a Dragon in order to reach that level. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Sun Oct 24 16:30:05 2010 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:30:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 480 - Original Box, Original Manual Original Brochure Message-ID: <201010241431.o9OEULZs016566@zxe.naks.com> I have a one owner (me) NAK 480 I purchased new in 1982 or so. It has been out of commission for a while now and needs a new home having been replaced by a 505. It powers up, but the take up reel does not work, it moves a little and quits. No FF/RW (probably interlocked somehow with the drive wheel). When it worked, it made superb NAK quality recordings and has one of the fastest rewind motors (it is much faster than the 505). It will come with the original box, original excellent condition manual and even a glossy advertising flyer for the 480 which are probably fairly hard to come by. I suspect the original box/manual and flyer might be worth $50 - and I will throw in the 480 deck for FREE. The deck cosmetics are excellent, "as new" condition so this is definitely either a good parts/literature source or something for repair/rebuild. If you are interested, let me know - I would rather someone who appreciates NAK work on it and bring it back to life than toss in all in the big dumpster. Let me know if interested. Rob From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sun Oct 24 16:55:10 2010 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:55:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 playing at very low volume - Help! In-Reply-To: References: <4C8B289D.9060902@comcast.net>, <620003.20421.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: Hi Willy, Thanks for your response. I will open it up and see if there are any un-soldered or maybe badly soldered wires to the head. Even if I cannot find any, is it advisable to re-solder the head wires anyway just to eliminate one of the possibilities? Also, can you please elaborate a bit more on what you meant by an "Open Play Head" and if it could be fixed and how? Thanks & kind regardsNadeem Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:14:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 playing at very low volume - Help! From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com What you're describing is a missing ground to that channel of the head. Take the front panel off and check the wires where they solder to the head. With luck it's just a resolder job. If not it could be an open play head in that channel which is not unheard of for that model. The stop lamp problem puts the whole unit in mute mode so you would get no sound from either channel - and that doesn't apply to the LX-5 anyway. Best of luck. Willy On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi Folks, I started buying Naks in 2007 when I bought my first HiFi system and so far have only managed to acquire a few later models like the CR4, BX300 and a CD1. I used to read with interest various discussions here on NakTalk regarding the classic transport Naks and always wanted to buy a classic Nak so I recently bought an LX-5 on eBay but it turns out that it only plays in one channel and that at a very very low volume with a lot of noise. First I thought that Then I thought that maybe the heads were very badly magnetised so tried to de-magnetise them but this did not work. Then I thought that the heads were severely misaligned so tried to align the heads but to no avail. Accidentally, I discovered something else during this process that when I hover my finger over the playback head I can see the level meters move all the way up to the end. This happens even when my finger is at least an inch above the head. I read a long time ago on NakTalk that a similar type of problem occurred with 582s when a lamp failed somewhere in the deck but wasn't sure about the LX-5. Just being curious, I took the front panel off and found that the tape counter lamp (or I thought it was a tape counter lamp) was working. The only lamp which is not working on this deck is the lamp behind the cassette door cover. As much as I don't like to think that the head is worn, I am now inclined to lean more and more towards it. Have any of you guys had this problem with an LX-5 and what could be the cause of this? Any help will be greatly appreciated. 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 19:07:16 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nak CR 7 versus DAT (Sony 1500 or 2000ES) In-Reply-To: <201010241016.o9OA7wpp015978@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010241016.o9OA7wpp015978@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <525287.95719.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Julie, Most people back in the day either hated DATS or loved them. Few love them today, I can tell you. The machines were finicky and often repair prone....mechanical results could vary from machine to machine (if you had more than one) and effect your recording efforts. The few people I know that still use them are basically coddling one machine and can give you an arm's list of fixes they've done over the yrs and/or grievances. I think it was a good engineering concept overall, but they didn't seem to be machines to live with day in and day out for the lay person. I don't know about others, but when I put a tape into a machine, I expect good, consistent results barring routine maintenance. That just wasn't always the case with DAT machines. I was almost sucked into them when they first came out....would have probably been a horrible personal decision, like the Beta and RCA CED formats I was seduced by.;-) ________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:49:20 -0500 From: Julie Kessler Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak CR 7 versus DAT (Sony 1500 or 2000ES) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I asked about it and what I was told is that they had 5 DAT machines, including an HHB DTR-8S, Pioneer D-9601 (96 kHz), and a StellaDAT II with the 96 kHz option. None of them sounded as good as the DAW or the analog recorders, which included 30 ips Ampex MR-70, Scully 280 and Studer A80 machines and a bunch of Nakamichi cassette decks. But they needed the DAT's to take tapes from clients for mastering jobs, but that tape error issues were always a problem, and when DAT tapes from mastering clients became less common they dropped the DAT tape format. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Oct 24 21:06:36 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:06:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 playing at very low volume - Help! In-Reply-To: References: <4C8B289D.9060902@comcast.net> <620003.20421.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you don't see any bad contacts don't try to resolder the leads. There is not point and a great possibility of doing damage. An "open play head" means that the windings in the head or the internal connections have broken down and are no longer continuous. You can verify this using an ohm meter. Just check to see that the two channels match. You don't have to remove the head to do this. Find the play head wiring harness and unplug it at the circuit board end. Measure it there once you've verified visually that all four head wires are properly soldered in place.. There is, unfortunately, nothing you can do to repair an open head. For replacements you can try to find a good parts deck or contact ESL - I'm not sure but they may still have some new stock on those heads. Of course replacing the head requires complete realignment of the deck both mechanically and electronically. Willy On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Mercedes Benz < mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Willy, > > Thanks for your response. I will open it up and see if there are any > un-soldered or maybe badly soldered wires to the head. Even if I cannot find > any, is it advisable to re-solder the head wires anyway just to eliminate > one of the possibilities? Also, can you please elaborate a bit more on what > you meant by an "Open Play Head" and if it could be fixed and how? > > Thanks & kind regards > Nadeem > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:14:49 -0800 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 playing at very low volume - Help! > From: willy at willyhermannservices.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > What you're describing is a missing ground to that channel of the head. > Take the front panel off and check the wires where they solder to the head. > With luck it's just a resolder job. If not it could be an open play head > in that channel which is not unheard of for that model. The stop lamp > problem puts the whole unit in mute mode so you would get no sound from > either channel - and that doesn't apply to the LX-5 anyway. > > Best of luck. > > Willy > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Mercedes Benz < > mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I started buying Naks in 2007 when I bought my first HiFi system and so far > have only managed to acquire a few later models like the CR4, BX300 and a > CD1. > > I used to read with interest various discussions here on NakTalk regarding > the classic transport Naks and always wanted to buy a classic Nak so I > recently bought an LX-5 on eBay but it turns out that it only plays in one > channel and that at a very very low volume with a lot of noise. > > First I thought that Then I thought that maybe the heads were very badly > magnetised so tried to de-magnetise them but this did not work. Then I > thought that the heads were severely misaligned so tried to align the heads > but to no avail. Accidentally, I discovered something else during this > process that when I hover my finger over the playback head I can see the > level meters move all the way up to the end. This happens even when my > finger is at least an inch above the head. > > I read a long time ago on NakTalk that a similar type of problem occurred > with 582s when a lamp failed somewhere in the deck but wasn't sure about the > LX-5. Just being curious, I took the front panel off and found that the tape > counter lamp (or I thought it was a tape counter lamp) was working. The only > lamp which is not working on this deck is the lamp behind the cassette door > cover. > > As much as I don't like to think that the head is worn, I am now inclined > to lean more and more towards it. > > Have any of you guys had this problem with an LX-5 and what could be the > cause of this? > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > Nadeem > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The few people I know that still use them are basically coddling one machine and can give you an arm's list of fixes they've done over the yrs and/or grievances. I think it was a good engineering concept overall, but they didn't seem to be machines to live with day in and day out for the lay person. I don't know about others, but when I put a tape into a machine, I expect good, consistent results barring routine maintenance. That just wasn't always the case with DAT machines. I was almost sucked into them when they first came out....would have probably been a horrible personal decision, like the Beta and RCA CED formats I was seduced by.;-) ------------------------------ **Message: 6 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:49:20 -0500 From: Julie Kessler Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak CR 7 versus DAT (Sony 1500 or 2000ES) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I asked about it and what I was told is that they had 5 DAT machines, including an HHB DTR-8S, Pioneer D-9601 (96 kHz), and a StellaDAT II with the 96 kHz option. None of them sounded as good as the DAW or the analog recorders, which included 30 ips Ampex MR-70, Scully 280 and Studer A80 machines and a bunch of Nakamichi cassette decks. 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 00:52:18 2010 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR 7 versus DAT In-Reply-To: <525287.95719.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201010241016.o9OA7wpp015978@zxe.naks.com> <525287.95719.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <770943.98243.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kevin, I know what you mean.  I love the idea of DAT and want to like my PCM-2700, but, I just don't.  Too many little problems.  I do like using it as an external ADC/DAC which I connect via coaxial-SPDIF to my EMU-0404 card (the PCI version).  As a ADC/DAC it works great, input level knob, VU meters and overload indicator is also great.  As a recording/playback deck it's fine 99% of the time.  That 1% of the time when I get digital drop outs it sucks.  I think one problem I have is reusing tapes.  Fresh tapes seem to be better, but, recording over something doesn't work as well.  I've been meaning to bulk erase my tapes and try them again, but, haven't yet. 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URL: From mech986 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 07:53:56 2010 From: mech986 at yahoo.com (Bart) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 22:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAK 480 - Original Box, Original Manual Original Brochure In-Reply-To: <201010241431.o9OEULZs016566@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010241431.o9OEULZs016566@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <63531.67136.qm@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I'd be interested in your unit.  Is it black or silver?  Where are you located and any idea about shipping to 90631 zip code?  Thanks!  Regards, Bart ________________________________ From: RSB To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, October 24, 2010 7:30:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAK 480 - Original Box, Original Manual Original Brochure I have a one owner (me) NAK 480 I purchased new in 1982 or so.  It has been out of commission for a while now and needs a new home having been replaced by a 505.  It powers up, but the take up reel does not work, it moves a little and quits.  No FF/RW (probably interlocked somehow with the drive wheel).  When it worked, it made superb NAK quality recordings and has one of the fastest rewind motors (it is much faster than the 505).  It will come with the original box, original excellent condition manual and even a glossy advertising flyer for the 480 which are probably fairly hard to come by.  I suspect the original box/manual and flyer might be worth $50 - and I will throw in the 480 deck for FREE.  The deck cosmetics are excellent, "as new" condition so this is definitely either a good parts/literature source or something for repair/rebuild.  If you are interested, let me know - I would rather someone who appreciates NAK work on it and bring it back to life than toss in all in the big dumpster.  Let me know if interested.  Rob ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Oct 25 08:37:36 2010 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:37:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape nostalgia Message-ID: Here is some old cassette nostalgia reported in Australia - not audiophile though. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/25/3047591.htm David From mikemaxcel at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 11:30:48 2010 From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:30:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 playback levels Message-ID: Two of my LX-5 when tested with a standard calibration tape(400Hz 0dB 200nWb/m),both their level meters shoot to +3.5dB and measured from pt.M25\26 using the RMS dB meter the readings are reaching 130mv instead of the standard 90mv as written in the service manual. Are there any problems with my decks?The same playback phenomenal was also testified by one of my friend in China with his LX-5. BTW they sound wonderful with greater driving power than the rest of my Nak listening throught AKG K-701 headphone. From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 15:05:19 2010 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 06:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 playing at very low volume - Help! Message-ID: <161976.38718.qm@web80606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Nadeem : I bought a LX 3 new many years ago and remember that the output control potentiometer went bad on it and had to be replaced. The LX 5 probably uses an identical pot . You might want to check if it is defective on your deck.   Thomas --- On Sat, 10/23/10, Mercedes Benz wrote: From: Mercedes Benz Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 playing at very low volume - Help! To: "NakTalk" Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 12:06 PM Hi Folks, I started buying Naks in 2007 when I bought my first HiFi system and so far have only managed to acquire a few later models like the CR4, BX300 and a CD1. I used to read with interest various discussions here on NakTalk regarding the classic transport Naks and always wanted to buy a classic Nak so I recently bought an LX-5 on eBay but it turns out that it only plays in one channel and that at a very very low volume with a lot of noise.  First I thought that Then I thought that maybe the heads were very badly magnetised so tried to de-magnetise them but this did not work. Then I thought that the heads were severely misaligned so tried to align the heads but to no avail. Accidentally, I discovered something else during this process that when I hover my finger over the playback head I can see the level meters move all the way up to the end. This happens even when my finger is at least an inch above the head.  I read a long time ago on NakTalk that a similar type of problem occurred with 582s when a lamp failed somewhere in the deck but wasn't sure about the LX-5. Just being curious, I took the front panel off and found that the tape counter lamp (or I thought it was a tape counter lamp) was working. The only lamp which is not working on this deck is the lamp behind the cassette door cover. As much as I don't like to think that the head is worn, I am now inclined to lean more and more towards it. Have any of you guys had this problem with an LX-5 and what could be the cause of this? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Regards  Nadeem -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Mon Oct 25 22:46:14 2010 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:46:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 playing at very low volume - Help! In-Reply-To: References: <4C8B289D.9060902@comcast.net>, <620003.20421.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, , , , Message-ID: Hi Willy, Thanks for the suggestion and explanation of the "Open Head". I will test the head using my trusted multimeter. I hope that it is something as simple as a bad solder. Thomas, thanks for your suggestion, I will have a look into it too and report back my findings. RegardsNadeem Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:06:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 playing at very low volume - Help! From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com If you don't see any bad contacts don't try to resolder the leads. There is not point and a great possibility of doing damage. An "open play head" means that the windings in the head or the internal connections have broken down and are no longer continuous. You can verify this using an ohm meter. Just check to see that the two channels match. You don't have to remove the head to do this. Find the play head wiring harness and unplug it at the circuit board end. Measure it there once you've verified visually that all four head wires are properly soldered in place.. There is, unfortunately, nothing you can do to repair an open head. For replacements you can try to find a good parts deck or contact ESL - I'm not sure but they may still have some new stock on those heads. Of course replacing the head requires complete realignment of the deck both mechanically and electronically. Willy On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi Willy, Thanks for your response. I will open it up and see if there are any un-soldered or maybe badly soldered wires to the head. Even if I cannot find any, is it advisable to re-solder the head wires anyway just to eliminate one of the possibilities? Also, can you please elaborate a bit more on what you meant by an "Open Play Head" and if it could be fixed and how? Thanks & kind regardsNadeem Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:14:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 playing at very low volume - Help! From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com What you're describing is a missing ground to that channel of the head. Take the front panel off and check the wires where they solder to the head. With luck it's just a resolder job. If not it could be an open play head in that channel which is not unheard of for that model. The stop lamp problem puts the whole unit in mute mode so you would get no sound from either channel - and that doesn't apply to the LX-5 anyway. Best of luck. Willy On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi Folks, I started buying Naks in 2007 when I bought my first HiFi system and so far have only managed to acquire a few later models like the CR4, BX300 and a CD1. I used to read with interest various discussions here on NakTalk regarding the classic transport Naks and always wanted to buy a classic Nak so I recently bought an LX-5 on eBay but it turns out that it only plays in one channel and that at a very very low volume with a lot of noise. First I thought that Then I thought that maybe the heads were very badly magnetised so tried to de-magnetise them but this did not work. Then I thought that the heads were severely misaligned so tried to align the heads but to no avail. Accidentally, I discovered something else during this process that when I hover my finger over the playback head I can see the level meters move all the way up to the end. This happens even when my finger is at least an inch above the head. I read a long time ago on NakTalk that a similar type of problem occurred with 582s when a lamp failed somewhere in the deck but wasn't sure about the LX-5. Just being curious, I took the front panel off and found that the tape counter lamp (or I thought it was a tape counter lamp) was working. The only lamp which is not working on this deck is the lamp behind the cassette door cover. As much as I don't like to think that the head is worn, I am now inclined to lean more and more towards it. Have any of you guys had this problem with an LX-5 and what could be the cause of this? Any help will be greatly appreciated. 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URL: From alanao2721 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 26 02:13:18 2010 From: alanao2721 at hotmail.com (Alan Olan) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:43:18 +1030 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 help with fader down button Message-ID: Hi all, I've been away from Naktalk for a few years given that my Naks were packed and stored since I relocated for work to sunny England. I just got back to recording as I am having a great time looking for music on vinyl here in London. I just acquired a mint condition CR7 from a dealer. The dealer packed it for me and I picked it up without inspecting it trusting the dealer has packed it well. The dealer did not pack it properly and the remote must have knocked the fader button when I was transporting it. The button has snapped and there are no replacement part from Bowers & Wilkins. Are there anyone who may know where I can source a replacement fader down button short of buying another one. I am also thinking of buying a non working CR5 to get the fader button. 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Dnia 26 października 2010 2:13 Alan Olan <alanao2721 at hotmail.com> napisał(a): Hi all, I've been away from Naktalk for a few years given that my Naks were packed and stored since I relocated for work to sunny England.  I just got back to recording as I am having a great time looking for music on vinyl here in London.  I just acquired a mint condition CR7 from a dealer.  The dealer packed it for me and I picked it up without inspecting it trusting the dealer has packed it well.  The dealer did not pack it properly and the remote must have knocked the fader button when I was transporting it.  The button has snapped and there are no replacement part from Bowers & Wilkins.  Are there anyone who may know where I can source a replacement fader down button short of buying another one. I am also thinking of buying a non working CR5 to get the fader button.  Is my recollection correct that the CR5 has the same casing as the CR7. CheersAlan========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Tue Oct 26 22:53:44 2010 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:53:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Nak 480 Message-ID: <201010262055.o9QKs3LX027621@zxe.naks.com> Hello Everyone - My NAK 480 was sold to Willy. Appreciate the responses! _____ From: eric benson [mailto:frwhl at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:49 PM To: tr463rsb at comcast.net Subject: Nak 480 Rob- I am interested. What is shipping to MN 55044? Eric 612-978-6143 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 480 - Original Box, Original Manual Original Brochure I have a one owner (me) NAK 480 I purchased new in 1982 or so. It has been out of commission for a while now and needs a new home having been replaced by a 505. It powers up, but the take up reel does not work, it moves a little and quits. No FF/RW (probably interlocked somehow with the drive wheel). When it worked, it made superb NAK quality recordings and has one of the fastest rewind motors (it is much faster than the 505). It will come with the original box, original excellent condition manual and even a glossy advertising flyer for the 480 which are probably fairly hard to come by. I suspect the original box/manual and flyer might be worth $50 - and I will throw in the 480 deck for FREE. The deck cosmetics are excellent, "as new" condition so this is definitely either a good parts/literature source or something for repair/rebuild. If you are interested, let me know - I would rather someone who appreciates NAK work on it and bring it back to life than toss in all in the big dumpster. Let me know if interested. Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Oct 27 16:57:31 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:FW: Nak 480 In-Reply-To: <201010271017.o9RA8Zgi029804@zxe.naks.com> References: <201010271017.o9RA8Zgi029804@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <762407.55349.qm@web120706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Well, it certainly went to the right home....even if Willy sells it later on, it will be 100%. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:53:44 -0400 From: "RSB" Subject: [naktalk] FW: Nak 480 To: Message-ID: <201010262055.o9QKs3LX027621 at zxe.naks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Everyone - My NAK 480 was sold to Willy. Appreciate the responses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denis.che at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 18:02:00 2010 From: denis.che at gmail.com (Denis) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:02:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-300 cassette deck plays but makes no sound, just pops Message-ID: Hello, My BX-300 won't produce any music sound at all. All the buttons work fine, the unit responds to them, transport seems to work fine, but all I can hear are occasional pops/crackles and no music. Moving the "output level" slider up causes occasional loud pops and static and also makes the digital level meters jump to the top of the range. Toward the top of the output level slider, I can hear pronounced hum. Where do I begin, what are the useful voltage test points on the PCBs, and what should they read? Much appreciated, Denis From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 07:16:03 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:16:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-300 cassette deck plays but makes no sound, just pops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The failure you describe is consistent with the slider having been struck from the front, and the resistive elements inside damaged. I might try "cleaning" the slide pot with DeoxIT Fader-Lube, but I'm not very hopeful. If you pull the cover off, you may be able to (with the set off) measure the resistance of each section of the slide pot from the rear using the ohms functions of a digital multimeter. - A good potentiometer will show a smooth, stable variance in resistance (across the pot) as you slide the knob from one extreme of its range to the other. Roughly speaking, it should vary from zero ohms at one extreme to the pot's full rated resistance at the other, less any drop in net resistance due to loading. Good luck with this! Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Denis wrote: > Hello, > > My BX-300 won't produce any music sound at all. All the buttons work > fine, the unit responds to them, transport seems to work fine, but all > I can hear are occasional pops/crackles and no music. Moving the > "output level" slider up causes occasional loud pops and static and > also makes the digital level meters jump to the top of the range. > Toward the top of the output level slider, I can hear pronounced hum. > > Where do I begin, what are the useful voltage test points on the PCBs, > and what should they read? > > Much appreciated, > Denis > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Thu Oct 28 02:54:46 2010 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:54:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 8 trak Message-ID: <0LAZ00J6D6J78BF0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Did Nakamichi every delve into the world of 8-track? I don't mean as a manufacturer with their name on a product but as a developer and badged by other brand names? Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From denis.che at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 08:03:27 2010 From: denis.che at gmail.com (Denis) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 02:03:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-300 cassette deck plays but makes no sound, just pops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for that very informative answer. Today I also measured DC voltages on the power supply rails of the main PCB using the 4 main electrolytic capacitors (C401, C402, C403, C404) as my test points. I get a reading of +8.94VDC where it's supposed to be +12VDC, and on the negative side I get -0.84VDC where it's supposed to be -12VDC. What's the sensible thing to do from here? Replace the aging transistors in the power supply section of the PCB? They are pretty cheap... Thanks. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Fred Longworth wrote: > The failure you describe is consistent with the slider having been struck > from the front, and the resistive elements inside damaged. I might try > "cleaning" the slide pot with DeoxIT Fader-Lube, but I'm not very hopeful. > > If you pull the cover off, you may be able to (with the set off) measure the > resistance of each section of the slide pot from the rear using the ohms > functions of a digital multimeter. > > A good potentiometer will show a smooth, stable variance in resistance > (across the pot) as you slide the knob from one extreme of its range to the > other. Roughly speaking, it should vary from zero ohms at one extreme to the > pot's full rated resistance at the other, less any drop in net resistance > due to loading. > > Good luck with this! > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Denis wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> My BX-300 won't produce any music sound at all.  All the buttons work >> fine, the unit responds to them, transport seems to work fine, but all >> I can hear are occasional pops/crackles and no music.  Moving the >> "output level" slider up causes occasional loud pops and static and >> also makes the digital level meters jump to the top of the range. >> Toward the top of the output level slider, I can hear pronounced hum. >> >> Where do I begin, what are the useful voltage test points on the PCBs, >> and what should they read? >> >> Much appreciated, >> Denis >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Oct 28 14:31:53 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:31:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 help with fader down button References: Message-ID: <76E3AE6489784828ADD2E1BD91EF9F2B@home> If you do get the cr5 sell me the door will you? Its dimentions are the same as the CR7 walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Olan To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:13 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 help with fader down button Hi all, I've been away from Naktalk for a few years given that my Naks were packed and stored since I relocated for work to sunny England. I just got back to recording as I am having a great time looking for music on vinyl here in London. I just acquired a mint condition CR7 from a dealer. The dealer packed it for me and I picked it up without inspecting it trusting the dealer has packed it well. The dealer did not pack it properly and the remote must have knocked the fader button when I was transporting it. The button has snapped and there are no replacement part from Bowers & Wilkins. Are there anyone who may know where I can source a replacement fader down button short of buying another one. I am also thinking of buying a non working CR5 to get the fader button. 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URL: From patty at jbrudy.com Thu Oct 28 16:09:19 2010 From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:09:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 8 trak In-Reply-To: <0LAZ00J6D6J78BF0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LAZ00J6D6J78BF0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: ROLAND, FAR AS I REMEMBER NO, JUST REEL TO REEL -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:55 PM To: Nakamichi tapedecks Subject: [naktalk] 8 trak Did Nakamichi every delve into the world of 8-track? I don't mean as a manufacturer with their name on a product but as a developer and badged by other brand names? Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From yregelman at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 16:41:03 2010 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:41:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 help with fader down button In-Reply-To: <76E3AE6489784828ADD2E1BD91EF9F2B@home> References: <76E3AE6489784828ADD2E1BD91EF9F2B@home> Message-ID: And I'd be very much interested in the Rec Mute button. Let's see if we gather critical mass here :) Yuri On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Walter Drewes wrote: > If you do get the cr5 sell me the door will you? Its dimentions are the > same as the CR7 > walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Alan Olan > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:13 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7 help with fader down button > > Hi all, > > I've been away from Naktalk for a few years given that my Naks were packed > and stored since I relocated for work to sunny England. I just got back to > recording as I am having a great time looking for music on vinyl here in > London. I just acquired a mint condition CR7 from a dealer. The dealer > packed it for me and I picked it up without inspecting it trusting the > dealer has packed it well. The dealer did not pack it properly and the > remote must have knocked the fader button when I was transporting it. The > button has snapped and there are no replacement part from Bowers & Wilkins. > Are there anyone who may know where I can source a replacement fader down > button short of buying another one. > > I am also thinking of buying a non working CR5 to get the fader button. 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URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 17:27:19 2010 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:27:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 8 trak In-Reply-To: References: <0LAZ00J6D6J78BF0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Thanks God...not On 10/28/10, Patty wrote: > ROLAND, FAR AS I REMEMBER NO, JUST REEL TO REEL > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Roland > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:55 PM > To: Nakamichi tapedecks > Subject: [naktalk] 8 trak > > Did Nakamichi every delve into the world of 8-track? > > I don't mean as a manufacturer with their name on a product but as a > developer and badged by other brand names? > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Oct 28 18:55:59 2010 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:55:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-300 cassette deck plays but makes no sound, just pops Message-ID: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> Denis, The sensible thing to do is to isolate the bad component(s), not start to replace parts in the hope that by sheer luck, you'll hit the bad ones. Personally, I would start by disconnecting the power supply and check its unloaded output. If good, I would feed the circuitry from a current limited bench supply, which will allow me to hunt for the point that overloads the rails. However this depends on the equipment at your disposal. Lacking the necessary equipment, I would not replace the aging transistors, because silicon SS devices do not tend to deteriorate with age that much. Rather (selecting the culprit blindly), I would check all electrolytic caps along the rail paths. Just lift one end, then see if the voltage has changed. Good luck, -- Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------- *From:* Denis *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks *Sent:* Thu, October 28, 2010 2:03:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak BX-300 cassette deck plays but makes no sound, just pops Thank you for that very informative answer. Today I also measured DC voltages on the power supply rails of the main PCB using the 4 main electrolytic capacitors (C401, C402, C403, C404) as my test points. I get a reading of +8.94VDC where it's supposed to be +12VDC, and on the negative side I get -0.84VDC where it's supposed to be -12VDC. What's the sensible thing to do from here? Replace the aging transistors in the power supply section of the PCB? They are pretty cheap... Thanks. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Fred Longworth > wrote: > The failure you describe is consistent with the slider having been struck > from the front, and the resistive elements inside damaged. I might try > "cleaning" the slide pot with DeoxIT Fader-Lube, but I'm not very hopeful. > > If you pull the cover off, you may be able to (with the set off) measure the > resistance of each section of the slide pot from the rear using the ohms > functions of a digital multimeter. > > A good potentiometer will show a smooth, stable variance in resistance > (across the pot) as you slide the knob from one extreme of its range to the > other. Roughly speaking, it should vary from zero ohms at one extreme to the > pot's full rated resistance at the other, less any drop in net resistance > due to loading. > > Good luck with this! > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Denis > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> My BX-300 won't produce any music sound at all. All the buttons work >> fine, the unit responds to them, transport seems to work fine, but all >> I can hear are occasional pops/crackles and no music. Moving the >> "output level" slider up causes occasional loud pops and static and >> also makes the digital level meters jump to the top of the range. >> Toward the top of the output level slider, I can hear pronounced hum. >> >> Where do I begin, what are the useful voltage test points on the PCBs, >> and what should they read? >> >> Much appreciated, >> Denis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denis.che at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 19:35:21 2010 From: denis.che at gmail.com (Denis) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 13:35:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-300 cassette deck plays but makes no sound, just pops In-Reply-To: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> References: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> Message-ID: Ron, Thanks for the suggestion of checking the electrolytics. Someone else on another forum also had an electrolytic cap out on their BX-300, and that seemed to resolve the problem. I don't have any test equipment other than my digital multimeter, so I am kind of limited to simple methods and some luck. Denis From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 06:47:52 2010 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 23:47:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 In-Reply-To: <114181.12060.qm@web50006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <635560.79299.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <114181.12060.qm@web50006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Possibly the brake is mounted crooked or the spring is improperly installed. Cycling pause retracts the pinch rollers, hich allows the reel brake to stop the reels, and stops the reel motor. If it is not the reel motor, it must be the brake. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Russ Seals wrote: > Hi people > I have a problem with my 480 and need some help what is happen is when I > load a tape and start to record on it sometimes it goes right in to record > and both reel tables spin but when I pause it and then resume the right side > don't know if that is the take up side or not but anyway it lags behind and > sometimes it will catch up but other times it won't and I have to keep a eye > on it so not to eat the tape. > I have checked the idler tire and it's in good shape but as far as the > capstand belt I can't tell if it is bad or not it really don't feel like > it's to loose but don't have a wow and flutter gauge to check it,and this > might not even be what is wrong anyway. > can you guy's help me out ? > Russ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Mikemaxcel wrote: > Two of my LX-5 when tested with a standard calibration tape(400Hz 0dB > 200nWb/m),both their level meters shoot to +3.5dB and measured from > pt.M25\26 using the RMS dB meter the readings are reaching 130mv > instead of the standard 90mv as written in the service manual. > Are there any problems with my decks?The same playback phenomenal was > also testified by one of my friend in China with his LX-5. > BTW they sound wonderful with greater driving power than the rest of > my Nak listening throught AKG K-701 headphone. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 07:03:40 2010 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 00:03:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Revox 215 vs Nak 681ZX, CR7A, Dragon et al In-Reply-To: <62296966.308725.1287898854059.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1076154713.308690.1287898495531.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <62296966.308725.1287898854059.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: The original Nakamichi 1000 and 700 were built like tanks. I doubt any deck has the flywheel mass of this transport. We always seem happier listening to well built decks, as if the pride of ownership enhances music. I guess that is why subjective reviews receive a bad rap. Based on rapid uneven head wear alone, I favor the Nakamichi over the Revox. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:40 AM, wrote: > Interesting to hear so many Nak owners with B215s. I've rebuilt 3 B215s > (2 of which I still own). The first one I owned was a relatively high SN, > around 16xxx. When compared to any Nak I owned, the noise floor was > horrible. I was astounded at the noise added to playing a new blank tape, a > standard test I run. I was sorely disappointed at the performance of this > benchmark deck, compared to the 5 or 6 Naks I had at the time. (up to 17 > Naks now, still the same opinion) This was a deck that was "calibrated and > brought fully up to original spec by the premier Revox service facility in > the US". We all know what that usually means in ebay speak. Nothing. > First, I had to replace all the Frako caps, which are both ticking time > bombs and drift all over the spectrum. The PS caps tend to fail to shorts, > somewhat unusual for an electrolytic. Then I had to replace all the Philips > caps, as many of them too had drifted way out of spec. (like 100uF at > 48uF). All that helped a lot, but the noise floor was still significantly > higher. I then received some great advice from an audio designer and fellow > tapehead, to replace the early, non linear, higher distortion, cmos analog > switches with newer, lower, linear versions. (14051, 2, 3s and 4066 with > HC4051, etc). Again, there were substantial audio improvements and lowered > noise floor, say approaching that of a 680zx, but still not near a ZX-7 or > Dragon. The B215 has an amazing 3 frequency eq auto cal, that produces a > flatter FR from 50 to 20kz than any other deck I've used (never have used a > 1000 or 700zxl), with any tape, and HX-Pro gets the most out of the > admittedly mediocre sandwiched heads. Below 50Hz, the FR is quite varied > compared to any 3 head Nak. The next 2 B215s were virtually clones of what I > experienced on the first one, so I don't believe that my experience is a > singular one. Everything said about the layout and easy service of the B215 > is exactly true. Unlike most Naks, the B215 at least, is extremely pressure > roller sensitive, good W&F figures are not possible with old rollers. Even > with new or rebuilt ones, and a totally cleaned and lubricated transport, I > could not achieve the kind of numbers I get with Dragons, though well below > that of any belt drive Nak. Though I have to admit the 4 motor transport > handles tape FF/REW, end of tape stop, and tape tension far superior to even > the Dragon. I guess my point is that, "built like a tank", and German > engineering and Swiss construction may contribute to a lot of positive > factors, but does not guarantee that the total package is superior in all > aspects. I can not call the fully calibrated and serviced B215 more accurate > than a fully calibrated and serviced Dragon or ZX-7, not at all. It is very > neutral, but the highest frequency resolutions, and lowest bass balance are > inferior to TOTL Naks, in addition to the higher noise floor. Though I would > readily admit that over time, the B215 will stay in spec longer, require > less maintenance, travels better, and handles tape with great delicacy. But > it absolutely does require significant rework and rebuild after 25 - 30 > years, more than even a Dragon in order to reach that level. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 07:09:10 2010 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 00:09:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Welcome Patty! In-Reply-To: <94100.20102.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <94100.20102.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Patty was the lord high Minister of the parts department. If she had been in Customer Service, this group might be known as TeacTalk ;)) On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Patty, Did you do customer service on the phone? If so we prolly talked > in the early-mid 90's. Bob N > > --- On *Wed, 10/20/10, Patty * wrote: > > > From: Patty > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Welcome Patty! > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 7:15 AM > > > DID I MAKE SUCH AN IMPRESSION? I GUESS I DO THAT EVERYWHERE I GO. THOSE > WHERE SOME OF THE BEST YEARS OF MY LIFE. AND A LONG TIME TOO. SOME OF US > STILL GET TOGETHER JUST FOR OLD TIMES. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com[mailto: > naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] > On Behalf > Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:40 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Welcome Patty! > > > Hi Patty, > > Many here will still remember you and mentioned you in the past, nice to > have you on the list! > > Welcome! > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 07:16:12 2010 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 00:16:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. In-Reply-To: <122293.35000.qm@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> <122293.35000.qm@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Victor, The deck cycling is part of the calibration program. It goes through bias-level-Eq-Eq several times because the adjustments interact. Your bad channel probably drops one adjustment out of the measurement range so the deck resets that channel calibration process to the first step. If it is not the weak channel, then something awful is wrong with the microprocessor! tom brucker On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Bart wrote: > Patty, > > Thanks for your history and dedication. I visited Nakamichi when it was in > Torrance several times to get my then 6 year old 480's worked on, and then a > few other 581's I found (they didn't survive in the late 80's). The last > situation I remember was talking to the head tech who told me the old 580's > I brought in could not be repaired because there were no more diffused > resonance mechanisms for parts to be had. So they offered a DR3 at a > discounted price to replace and junk 2 580 series machines. Then about 6 > months later, the Torrance location was gone. > > Can you provide some of the history of the company from the mid 90's on > till it went bust (nak USA)? > > Regards, > > Bart > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Patty > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tue, October 19, 2010 9:26:08 AM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. > > Hi Wouter, > > The serial number A110 or A117 was just used as the series. There should > have been another 5 digit number after that. I should know I worked at > Nakamichi for almost 16yrs before they closed. I was one of the last > employees at Nakamichi. > > Sincerely, > Patty Beretta > Old titles were, customer service, shipping recieiving and I worked by > myself in the parts department for about 8 years. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:04 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. > > Hi Victor, > > What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a A110 or > a A117? > Can't wait for the pictures also! > > Wouter > > > This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited > > insides. > > Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. > > Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? > > > > I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? > > > > Vic > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 07:23:59 2010 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 00:23:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service Recommendation In-Reply-To: <4CA8AF72.2020005@comcast.net> References: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org> <60DE7AEDF5C641D6BDB608FABBEF4844@dykefdc8275b7a> <4CA8AF72.2020005@comcast.net> Message-ID: Where in the world do you live? NakTalkers span the globe! On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Robert Schneider wrote: > Willy did a great job on my CR-7A > > > On 10/2/10 7:44 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > >> >> You can’t go wrong with Willy Herman. >> >> http://www.willyhermannservices.com/index.htm >> >> Aloha, >> >> Cheryl >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Brian Dyke >> *Sent:* Saturday, October 02, 2010 10:44 AM >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* [naktalk] Service Recommendation >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> The time has come, after a few years of being out of the analog loop, for >> me to repair and restore some of my decks that are no longer functional. >> Even though I've been a reader of this list since 1998, I've fallen way out >> of touch with who is at the forefront of Nakamichi expertise. So, if there's >> anybody that can make a recommendation for a competent tech that can service >> a 680ZX and a 682ZX, I'd certainly be appreciative. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brian Dyke >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pennyfarmer at mac.com Fri Oct 29 06:00:35 2010 From: pennyfarmer at mac.com (Penny Farmer) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 23:00:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-10 In-Reply-To: <606650528.4129951266065706289.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <606650528.4129951266065706289.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001FC7EF-CB98-4029-BB3D-41A565B93087@mac.com> > I just picked up a Nak DR-10 for $10. The guy I bought it from > pulled it from his trunk loaded with a pile of old stereo equipment > and I wasn't expecting much. Once I got it home and dusted it, I > found that other than some rub marks along the top front edge, it > looked very good. All the lights work and it plays fine. What is > everyone's opinion of the DR-10? > ------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Fri Oct 29 16:11:56 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:11:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Walter had surgery Message-ID: <1265264129-1288361517-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1301384652-@bda2958.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Don't know how many are aware, but Walter Drewes is recovering from quadruple bypass surgery. Get well soon Walter! Perry Esposito - From my phone From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Oct 29 17:32:51 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:32:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. In-Reply-To: References: <009001cb6eeb$69bd61a0$3d3824e0$@utah.edu> <122293.35000.qm@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008701cb777e$8d47d1f0$a7d775d0$@utah.edu> Thanks Tom, the problem ended up being in the RAMM board. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:16 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. Victor, The deck cycling is part of the calibration program. It goes through bias-level-Eq-Eq several times because the adjustments interact. Your bad channel probably drops one adjustment out of the measurement range so the deck resets that channel calibration process to the first step. If it is not the weak channel, then something awful is wrong with the microprocessor! tom brucker On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Bart wrote: Patty, Thanks for your history and dedication. I visited Nakamichi when it was in Torrance several times to get my then 6 year old 480's worked on, and then a few other 581's I found (they didn't survive in the late 80's). The last situation I remember was talking to the head tech who told me the old 580's I brought in could not be repaired because there were no more diffused resonance mechanisms for parts to be had. So they offered a DR3 at a discounted price to replace and junk 2 580 series machines. Then about 6 months later, the Torrance location was gone. Can you provide some of the history of the company from the mid 90's on till it went bust (nak USA)? Regards, Bart _____ From: Patty To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 9:26:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. Hi Wouter, The serial number A110 or A117 was just used as the series. There should have been another 5 digit number after that. I should know I worked at Nakamichi for almost 16yrs before they closed. I was one of the last employees at Nakamichi. Sincerely, Patty Beretta Old titles were, customer service, shipping recieiving and I worked by myself in the parts department for about 8 years. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL stuck in calibration cycle. Hi Victor, What is also interesting then is the serial number... and is it a A110 or a A117? Can't wait for the pictures also! Wouter > This deck is very interesting! It seems to have most of the Limited > insides. > Gold connectors, heads black transport, gold heat sink on power supply. > Could this possibly be a prototype of the Limited? > > I will post some photos if I can. Is there a place to upload them? > > Vic > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is my recollection correct >that the CR5 has the same casing as the CR7. > Cheers > Alan From patty at jbrudy.com Fri Oct 29 18:47:26 2010 From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:47:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fader Button CR-7 In-Reply-To: <000001cb777e$9bd986a0$d38c93e0$@net> References: <201010291013.o9TACBvl006419@zxe.naks.com> <000001cb777e$9bd986a0$d38c93e0$@net> Message-ID: <5AB6E61369D246C78B18709614E4EF8A@UserPC> HI ROBERT, YA THOSE WERE THE MEMORIES. I HAVE BEEN WITH THIS COMPANY GOING ON 8 YEARS NOW. DID NOT LIKE WORKING FOR THE COMPANY THAT TOOK OVER NAKAMICHI. NAKUSA SO HOW HAVE THINGS BEEN WITH YOU? AND YOU WOULD BE SURPRISE TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE AND PART NUMBERS I STILL REMEMBER. CAPSTAN BELT 0C09096 HAHAHAHA -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of R Kent Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fader Button CR-7 Alan, Externally the fader buttons on the CR-7 and CR-5 are identical. I have both decks in my collection. On a different topic, I would like to add my welcome to Patty joining the forum. While I was building up my Nak parts stockpile 8-9 years ago, Patty was most courteous and helpful....especially with regards to capstan belts. Robert Kent > I am also thinking of buying a non working CR5 to get the fader button. Is my recollection correct >that the CR5 has the same casing as the CR7. > Cheers > Alan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alanao2721 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 29 21:23:11 2010 From: alanao2721 at hotmail.com (Alan Olan) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 05:53:11 +1030 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 help with fader down button Message-ID: Walter/Yuri, I'm still waiting from the guy who has it to see if he is still going to sell. I'm not sure how much he is willing to part with it. I'll let you know if it goes ahead. ThanksAlan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From yregelman at gmail.com Sat Oct 30 00:40:40 2010 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:40:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 help with fader down button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, Thanks so much! Please keep us posted. Y On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Alan Olan wrote: > Walter/Yuri, > > I'm still waiting from the guy who has it to see if he is still going to > sell. I'm not sure how much he is willing to part with it. 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URL: From esteyes at cox.net Sun Oct 31 11:12:14 2010 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 03:12:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] oct 19th post TC-D5M vs nak 550 Message-ID: <4CCD40FE.9060009@cox.net> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Terence Lloren wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am a sound recordist/artist and am planning a field recording project > > using cassette tapes. I am using a NOS (new old stock) Sony TC-D5 Pro (its a > > beaut!) and also have an option of buying a NOS unopened Nak DR-10. I plan > > to use the Nak for playing back to tapes to my computer to digitize it for > > archive on the internet and for posterity. Any pros/ cons for using the > > DR10? Problems, quirks, etc that I should know about? > > > > I realize the frequency response of Audio tapes is limited compared to > > today's digital standards but after reading some of the posts of the more > > seasoned Nak owners, perhaps I have not really heard a Nak before! > > > > I am not looking to break the bank but I am looking for a reliable, > > dependable machine that will provide consistent service and a high quality > > playback for over 500 hours of audio footage. > > > > While we are at it, I would like to hear if anyone has an opinion between > > the Sony tcd5 (any version) vs. Nak 550? (Perhaps this questions should be > > in another post/ section?) > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Terence > > > > definately purchase the Pro version of the Sony to get the XLR (balanced) inputs if you choose the sony route. personally, i would run a test of the two decks side by side and listen to the results. however that is probably not easily done so i would pick the nak and have it gone over _carefully_ by someone that knows the deck well before putting in the field. have the bias set carefully. i would also run it off a battery pack (i build my own using LiFePo cells) and keep it off the mains (AC power). as someone who has taped many a live show, starting with the dead in the 80's, i have run in the field d*mn near everything - reels, cassette, pcm-beta, dat, CF based decks and hard drive units. the naks were hard to sneak into shows back in the day - one of the reasons we did not use them as much - my girlfriend would have killed me if i had her hang a 550 under her skirt/between her legs and asked her to make the hike in to red rocks. but the marantz pmd 430 was an easy carry. and when the tapers became a legit section in the audience, most of us could not easily dump our current deck and go to the nak - plus jerry shows were a stealth job til the day he died. of course many of us ran the d6 and a few ran the d3 for those shows - the roadies were actively looking for tapers so small was good. always had at least one nak in the house for playback - but man were the arguments endless about nak dolby vs everyone else's dolby... my 02 cents neil -- shadowboxing the apocalypse, wandering the land From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 31 23:57:18 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:57:18 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 belts and tire In-Reply-To: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> References: <4CC9AB1F.2000401@verizon.net> Message-ID: I'm getting ready to replace the belts and tires in the 582 "parts" deck that won't be a parts deck. The cassette drive assembly is part of the way out. Is there a good place to disconnect the wires to make it easier to work on? The various belts look fairly straightforward, but I keep eyeing the tire. That looks like lots of fun. Any tips on making it easy to replace the tire? It really, really needs it since it is dried, full of cracks, and slips if it has been sitting a while. Thanks for any tips, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2010\2010-September.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From terry75115 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 05:11:58 2010 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed finding cassette window Message-ID: <524216.40347.qm@web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I just bought a RX-505 but the cassette window is broken. Does anyone have one for sale ? It can come off a RX-303 or RX-505 (they are both the same).   Thanks, Terry   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Wed Sep 1 12:17:57 2010 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:17:57 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Gold Deck on ebay Australia References: <520189.38003.qm@web113708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98CB416C394E401793F8ACC89A879082@desktop> So John, Going to have a lash??? :o) ... ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gipps To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Gold Deck on ebay Australia Hi All This seller sounds pretty honest - it doesn't work - it's got some aesthetic defects - but he's unashamedly asking for $AUD3500+ (that's about $3125US) - it'll be interesting to see what it goes for. ebay #320583424486. 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BTW, I suspect the final price for this 1000ZXL, if it actually sells for $3125, will easily top $4500 (much more if it goes to ESL) by the time it works properly in a system. -- Ron --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Martin Short wrote: #yiv1577016711 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} From: John Gipps To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Gold Deck on ebay Australia Hi All This seller sounds pretty honest - it doesn't work - it's got some aesthetic defects - but he's unashamedly asking for $AUD3500+ (that's about $3125US) - it'll be interesting to see what it goes for. ebay #320583424486. Regards John Gipps   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 16:23:56 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Gold Deck on ebay Australia In-Reply-To: <167550.84548.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31201.27722.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We know that similar condition or not that great went for 4000$ (USD) Plus recently on ebay- 1000ZXL limited is a collector's item and naturally its price is based on availability not based on your wish to buy.   Only one point that I noticed making a non working 1000 ZXL limited better than plain 1000ZXL is very good protection it has due to the corrosion protection treatments.   remember that there are people paying in excess of 100 000$ for a pair of speakers or 70000 for a turntable in the world so forget 1000ZXL gold if you cannot afford, 1000ZXL will do! for me CR 7A does most of what 1000ZXL can do kannan      --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Gold Deck on ebay Australia To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:37 AM John, In our free world blessed economic system, an item is worth as much as some fool is willing to pay for it. If a seller can get over $3000 for a defective 1000ZXL, then this is what it's worth. If not, then the seller will have to lower his asking price, thereby setting a new value for his item. BTW, I suspect the final price for this 1000ZXL, if it actually sells for $3125, will easily top $4500 (much more if it goes to ESL) by the time it works properly in a system. -- Ron --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Martin Short wrote: #yiv763235861 #yiv763235861yiv1577016711 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} From: John Gipps To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Gold Deck on ebay Australia Hi All This seller sounds pretty honest - it doesn't work - it's got some aesthetic defects - but he's unashamedly asking for $AUD3500+ (that's about $3125US) - it'll be interesting to see what it goes for. ebay #320583424486. Regards John Gipps   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 17:13:30 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Gold Deck on ebay Australia In-Reply-To: <98CB416C394E401793F8ACC89A879082@desktop> Message-ID: <522973.40451.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Aah..the 1000ZXL-LTD. Brings out the best from a cassette, but sometimes the worst in a man. Bala --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Martin Short wrote: From: Martin Short Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Gold Deck on ebay Australia To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 6:17 PM  #yiv459793375 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} So John,   Going to have a lash???  :o)  ...   ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gipps To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Gold Deck on ebay Australia Hi All This seller sounds pretty honest - it doesn't work - it's got some aesthetic defects - but he's unashamedly asking for $AUD3500+ (that's about $3125US) - it'll be interesting to see what it goes for. ebay #320583424486. Regards John Gipps   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Sep 1 17:28:29 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 17:28:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Gold Deck on ebay Australia In-Reply-To: <522973.40451.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <522973.40451.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86F3417C-56EE-4ACE-ADE8-B7525B858C6A@peromarta.org> Certainly. El 01/09/2010, a las 17:13, Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: > Brings out the best from a cassette, but sometimes the worst in a man. From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 16:32:32 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:HELP needed finding cassette window In-Reply-To: <201009011017.o81A8OG5012336@zxe.naks.com> References: <201009011017.o81A8OG5012336@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <358763.21384.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I have a restored RX-505 and that window is probably the rarest piece you will ever attempt to find. In all likelihood, you will have to buy a donor non working deck, with an intact window. Kevin ________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:11:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Houchins Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed finding cassette window To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <524216.40347.qm at web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just bought a RX-505 but the cassette window is broken. Does anyone have one for sale ? It can come off a RX-303 or RX-505 (they are both the same). Thanks, Terry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry75115 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 08:48:36 2010 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with idler tire & belts Message-ID: <213238.59466.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I just bought a Dragon that's a little rough. I believe it's gonna need the works. Where can I get instructions on replacing the idler tire and all belts?   Thanks, Terry terry75115 at yahoo.com   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Sep 2 09:39:41 2010 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:39:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] blog updates Message-ID: <26015f6ace87f21f2c28970ce1ba77a6.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi everyone, There was a long awaited update to the very interesting 700ZXL restoration project blog: http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ and there seems to have appeared another blog about restoring a 680ZX: http://nakamichi680zx.blogspot.com/ Enjoy both! Wouter From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 16:20:29 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with idler tire & belts In-Reply-To: <213238.59466.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <862895.91124.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Better Leave Dargon Idler tire replacement work to somebody who is experienced - it needs care in dismantling the Dragon transport. Also extracting a Dragon tarnsport and planting it back needs special attention to details - soI would not recommend this work to anybody not having Dragon servicing experience this is my 2cents on Dragon work Kannan --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with idler tire & belts To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 2:48 AM I just bought a Dragon that's a little rough. I believe it's gonna need the works. Where can I get instructions on replacing the idler tire and all belts?   Thanks, Terry terry75115 at yahoo.com   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From azawodny at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 16:26:57 2010 From: azawodny at hotmail.com (Art Zawodny) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:26:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX 202 with no idler tire! Message-ID: Hi, long time lurker. My old RX202 which I bought new in 1990 finally stopped working recently. Based on my reading on the WWW it looked to be an idler tire problem. So I follow the directions here: http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX-202_Idler.htm and found that my RX202 does NOT have an idler tire setup, its all gears with no rubber tires on any of the drive mechanism. Has anyone else seen a setup like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Sep 3 17:20:03 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:20:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX 202 with no idler tire! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DC56511-2CD3-40AC-BD0F-1E1444233407@peromarta.org> Sankyo transport with gear upgrade. Possibly fitted at factory. Yes, usual stuff. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 03/09/2010, a las 16:26, "Art Zawodny" escribió: > Hi, long time lurker. My old RX202 which I bought new in 1990 finally stopped working recently. Based on my reading on the WWW it looked to be an idler tire problem. So I follow the directions here: > http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX-202_Idler.htm > and found that my RX202 does NOT have an idler tire setup, its all gears with no rubber tires on any of the drive mechanism. Has anyone else seen a setup like this? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I then have to stop and play to get the transport and amp working together. Any ideas what this is ? Perhaps a leaf-spring switch stuck or something ? Secondly on playback, the transport gathers torque a little slowly, (1-2 secs) ... so the sound kind of drags itself from stop to regular speed in those few secs. Thanks for any ideas or pointers All the best. Soumitra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Mon Sep 6 09:36:48 2010 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:06:48 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RE: DR2 power on/start problem In-Reply-To: References: <201009041002.o84A04Ys028689@zxe.naks.com>, Message-ID: Please disregard the playback problem, just noticed the timer switch was on. But the problem about the transport picking up torque is still valid. Thanks again. From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: DR2 power on/start problem Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:02:46 +0530 Hello everybody. Just got a strange but non critical prob. with my DR2. When i turn it on, the transport engages into playback automatically with no power to the amp section. I then have to stop and play to get the transport and amp working together. Any ideas what this is ? Perhaps a leaf-spring switch stuck or something ? Secondly on playback, the transport gathers torque a little slowly, (1-2 secs) ... so the sound kind of drags itself from stop to regular speed in those few secs. Thanks for any ideas or pointers All the best. Soumitra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Sep 6 21:54:14 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:54:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 580M Acrylic Door Cover In-Reply-To: <30854C75D01744379433A433CC76A427@corp.halex.com.au> References: <30854C75D01744379433A433CC76A427@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Steve - I've got one. Contact me off NakTalk. Willy On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Steve Kulak wrote: > Hi, has anyone got the acrylic door cover for a 580M from a parts or > donor deck. Happy to pay for part and postage? > > Thanks > Steve > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Sep 6 21:56:47 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:56:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DR2 power on/start problem In-Reply-To: References: <201009041002.o84A04Ys028689@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: There is an auto-start to play or record feature on that deck and a switch on the front panel to control it. If the switch is in the off position troubleshoot that circuit. The dragging to a start problem may just be a stretched capstan belt. Best of luck, Willy On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 11:32 PM, s b wrote: > Hello everybody. > Just got a strange but non critical prob. with my DR2. When i turn it on, > the transport engages into playback automatically with no power to the amp > section. I then have to stop and play to get the transport and amp working > together. Any ideas what this is ? Perhaps a leaf-spring switch stuck or > something ? > Secondly on playback, the transport gathers torque a little slowly, (1-2 > secs) ... so the sound kind of drags itself from stop to regular speed in > those few secs. > Thanks for any ideas or pointers > All the best. > Soumitra > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry75115 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 7 21:39:21 2010 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon problem Message-ID: <91284.96500.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I just bought a Dragon and it will FF/RW but it won't play. Any ideas how I can fix it?   Terry --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: HELP needed with idler tire & belts To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 1:48 AM I just bought a Dragon that's a little rough. I believe it's gonna need the works. Where can I get instructions on replacing the idler tire and all belts?   Thanks, Terry terry75115 at yahoo.com   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Tue Sep 7 22:10:18 2010 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 01:40:18 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] DR2 power on/start problem In-Reply-To: <201009071002.o87A03sI007748@zxe.naks.com> References: <201009071002.o87A03sI007748@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thank you Willy ... you were right, the switch was on auto-play by accident. About the dragging, if it is a stretched capstan belt, what do you suggest ? A change of belt or keeping it going for now is fine ? Other than it dragging to normal playback speed in the first 1-2 secs, there is no drop in speed during playback. --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:56:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR2 power on/start problem There is an auto-start to play or record feature on that deck and a switch on the front panel to control it. If the switch is in the off position troubleshoot that circuit. The dragging to a start problem may just be a stretched capstan belt. Best of luck, Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Sep 7 22:49:38 2010 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:49:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon problem In-Reply-To: <91284.96500.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <91284.96500.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01cb4ece$3038f620$90aae260$@utah.edu> Do the capstans move? Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Terry Houchins Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon problem I just bought a Dragon and it will FF/RW but it won't play. Any ideas how I can fix it? Terry --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: HELP needed with idler tire & belts To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 1:48 AM I just bought a Dragon that's a little rough. I believe it's gonna need the works. Where can I get instructions on replacing the idler tire and all belts? Thanks, Terry terry75115 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Sep 7 23:09:33 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon problem In-Reply-To: <91284.96500.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <849087.30419.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Terry, we'll need a bit more than that, even for just venturing a guess. How would you respond to, say, "My car doesn't run. What's wrong?" Specifically, when you press Play, does the tape move? Do the capstans turn?  Any mechanical noise? etc., etc.. -- Ron --- On Tue, 9/7/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon problem To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 3:39 PM I just bought a Dragon and it will FF/RW but it won't play. Any ideas how I can fix it?   Terry --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: HELP needed with idler tire & belts To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 1:48 AM I just bought a Dragon that's a little rough. I believe it's gonna need the works. Where can I get instructions on replacing the idler tire and all belts?   Thanks, Terry terry75115 at yahoo.com   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Sep 8 01:46:15 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon problem In-Reply-To: <849087.30419.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <907286.9277.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Also if you could mention your mech and electronic skills to trouble shoot a cassette recorder - it will be easier to answer. Dragon has many complex electronic circuits including DD motor drive and auto azimuth control circuitry Mechanically also it requires good skills to remove the transport out of the chassis and work Kannan --- On Tue, 9/7/10, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 5:09 PM Terry, we'll need a bit more than that, even for just venturing a guess. How would you respond to, say, "My car doesn't run. What's wrong?" Specifically, when you press Play, does the tape move? Do the capstans turn?  Any mechanical noise? etc., etc.. -- Ron --- On Tue, 9/7/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon problem To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 3:39 PM I just bought a Dragon and it will FF/RW but it won't play. Any ideas how I can fix it?   Terry --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: HELP needed with idler tire & belts To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 1:48 AM I just bought a Dragon that's a little rough. I believe it's gonna need the works. Where can I get instructions on replacing the idler tire and all belts?   Thanks, Terry terry75115 at yahoo.com   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Sep 8 01:55:08 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:55:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon problem In-Reply-To: <91284.96500.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <91284.96500.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Terry - That's much like saying "my car doesn't run - any ideas?" There are literally hundreds of different things which could cause your symptom. Give us a little help here - does it try to go into play but fail? Does it not do anything when you push the play button? Have to checked to see if the capstans are turning? Do the pinch rollers try to engage? Willy On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Terry Houchins wrote: > I just bought a Dragon and it will FF/RW but it won't play. > Any ideas how I can fix it? > > Terry > > > --- On *Thu, 9/2/10, Terry Houchins * wrote: > > > From: Terry Houchins > Subject: HELP needed with idler tire & belts > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 1:48 AM > > I just bought a Dragon that's a little rough. > I believe it's gonna need the works. > Where can I get instructions on replacing the idler tire and all belts? > > Thanks, > Terry > terry75115 at yahoo.com > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Sep 8 01:52:16 2010 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:52:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DR2 power on/start problem In-Reply-To: References: <201009071002.o87A03sI007748@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: If it is the belt you will be experiencing an increased wow and flutter during all of playback so changing it is for the best. Willy On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:10 PM, s b wrote: > Thank you Willy ... you were right, the switch was on auto-play by > accident. About the dragging, if it is a stretched capstan belt, what do you > suggest ? A change of belt or keeping it going for now is fine ? Other than > it dragging to normal playback speed in the first 1-2 secs, there is no drop > in speed during playback. > > --Forwarded Message Attachment-- > From: willy at willyhermannservices.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:56:47 -0800 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR2 power on/start problem > > > There is an auto-start to play or record feature on that deck and a switch > on the front panel to control it. If the switch is in the off position > troubleshoot that circuit. The dragging to a start problem may just be a > stretched capstan belt. > > Best of luck, > Willy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 19:22:06 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:22:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with idler tire & belts In-Reply-To: <213238.59466.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <213238.59466.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree with Kannan. If you want to get into Nakamichi restoration, buy a BX-1 and fix it up to get some experience. Then move up to more elaborate models. The Dragon may be the most complex cassette deck ever made. You should fix a couple of dozen simpler decks before you jump into a Dragon. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Terry Houchins wrote: > I just bought a Dragon that's a little rough. > I believe it's gonna need the works. > Where can I get instructions on replacing the idler tire and all belts? > > Thanks, > Terry > terry75115 at yahoo.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 8 21:23:19 2010 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with idler tire & belts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <388730.49887.qm@web180003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> While it is true that you don't want to make your first repair the most difficult, the OP has already bought the deck. It's a boat anchor unless he fixes it or takes it to a tech. So, if you decide to fix it yourself, contact Fred Marrs of Marrs Communications. He has belt kits for all Nakamichis, made by the original supplier. Take pictures at all stages of disassembly so you can figure out where everything goes. Try to keep parts and screws for each section in separate bins. When you get to a horseshoe clip or plastic split washer that has to be removed, use a small flat blade screwdriver to remove it, while putting your finger over the washer to keep it from flying across the room. Other than that, good luck. Warren --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] HELP needed with idler tire & belts To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 1:22 PM I agree with Kannan. If you want to get into Nakamichi restoration, buy a BX-1 and fix it up to get some experience. Then move up to more elaborate models. The Dragon may be the most complex cassette deck ever made. You should fix a couple of dozen simpler decks before you jump into a Dragon. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Terry Houchins wrote: I just bought a Dragon that's a little rough. I believe it's gonna need the works. Where can I get instructions on replacing the idler tire and all belts?   Thanks, Terry terry75115 at yahoo.com   ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 21:26:37 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:26:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the future? Message-ID: Dear Fellow Naktalkers, Just wanted to pass along the news: a new CD has been released, recorded by Fellow Naktalker Kermit Gray, that was recorded with a vintage Nakamichi 550. Even better, I just heard today that the album was submitted to be considered for a Grammy Award for Best Engineered Classical album. Who knows? It would be awesome if an album recorded on a cassette deck could find its way through all the politics and judges to win a Grammy, yes? Hey, even if it doesn't make it to the second round, it's still really awesome! http://www.kvglabs.com/studio/page30/newcd.html is the album's web page, and yes it's for sale now, and over the next few weeks it'll be available through Amazon, iTunes and more places too! Kermit insisted that the studio's first new release in three years be recorded on location with one of his Nakamichi 550 cassettes, using his famous BirdFoot microphone setup. I asked why, when our studio has so many newer recorders, did he insist of using a cassette deck? His answer was that he wanted to inspire Nakamichi owners that their recorders are capable of serious work, and he's also hoping to inspire a renaissance of analog recording, especially professional recordings made on high-quality cassette decks. I admit, I thought he was crazy, but when I heard the first session masters I couldn't believe it! I had owned a Technics cassette deck when I was in college in the 1990's, but honestly I never knew cassettes could sound like studio quality! Anyway, I'm really excited about this record release and I'm proud to be part of Kermit's team. It's so cool to be able to make a professional quality recording on a cassette recorder! We have more new records in the works, and yes, some of them are also being recorded on Nakamichi cassette decks. The other recording projects are being recorded on our Tascam 80-8 and the customized Revox B77 reel-to-reel tape recorders. As Kermit says, "N-Joy!" -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Wed Sep 8 22:08:09 2010 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:08:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Technics SP-15 repair Message-ID: <50869.1283976489@cableone.net> This isn't Nak related, but I'm hoping someone on the list can offer some insight. I have a Technics SP-15 turntable -- which is a high-quality standalone drive mechanism often used at radio stations -- that needs repair (it blows its fuse every time). Can anyone recommend a technician to do the work? I've found a few places online that look promising, but a firsthand recommendation would mean a great deal. Marc ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From terry75115 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 9 11:50:08 2010 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 02:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Message-ID: <635560.79299.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ron, When PLAY is pressed the tape does not move which means the capstan does not either. There's also no noise.   Terry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Thu Sep 9 15:12:30 2010 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:12:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the future? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Julie, Thanks for the heads up! In the spirit of analog recording, I just have to ask, is it going to be available on cassette? Dennis On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Julie Kessler < juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Fellow Naktalkers, > > Just wanted to pass along the news: a new CD has been released, recorded by > Fellow Naktalker Kermit Gray, that was recorded with a vintage Nakamichi > 550. Even better, I just heard today that the album was submitted to be > considered for a Grammy Award for Best Engineered Classical album. Who > knows? It would be awesome if an album recorded on a cassette deck could > find its way through all the politics and judges to win a Grammy, yes? Hey, > even if it doesn't make it to the second round, it's still really awesome! > > http://www.kvglabs.com/studio/page30/newcd.html is the album's web page, > and yes it's for sale now, and over the next few weeks it'll be available > through Amazon, iTunes and more places too! > > Kermit insisted that the studio's first new release in three years be > recorded on location with one of his Nakamichi 550 cassettes, using his > famous BirdFoot microphone setup. I asked why, when our studio has so many > newer recorders, did he insist of using a cassette deck? His answer was that > he wanted to inspire Nakamichi owners that their recorders are capable of > serious work, and he's also hoping to inspire a renaissance of analog > recording, especially professional recordings made on high-quality cassette > decks. > > I admit, I thought he was crazy, but when I heard the first session masters > I couldn't believe it! I had owned a Technics cassette deck when I was in > college in the 1990's, but honestly I never knew cassettes could sound like > studio quality! > > Anyway, I'm really excited about this record release and I'm proud to be > part of Kermit's team. It's so cool to be able to make a professional > quality recording on a cassette recorder! We have more new records in the > works, and yes, some of them are also being recorded on Nakamichi cassette > decks. The other recording projects are being recorded on our Tascam 80-8 > and the customized Revox B77 reel-to-reel tape recorders. > > As Kermit says, "N-Joy!" > > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Sep 9 16:01:12 2010 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the future? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <324069.5578.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I hope a real-time cassette transfer can be released. Great Effort.   Mike --- On Thu, 9/9/10, Dennis Ball wrote: From: Dennis Ball Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the future? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 8:12 AM Hi Julie, Thanks for the heads up!  In the spirit of analog recording, I just have to ask, is it going to be available on cassette? Dennis On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Julie Kessler wrote: Dear Fellow Naktalkers, Just wanted to pass along the news: a new CD has been released, recorded by Fellow Naktalker Kermit Gray, that was recorded with  a vintage Nakamichi 550.  Even better, I just heard today that the album was submitted to be considered for a Grammy Award for Best Engineered Classical album. Who knows? It would be awesome if an album recorded on a cassette deck could find its way through all the politics and judges to win a Grammy, yes? Hey, even if it doesn't make it to the second round, it's still really awesome! http://www.kvglabs.com/studio/page30/newcd.html is the album's web page, and yes it's for sale now, and over the next few weeks it'll be available through Amazon, iTunes and more places too! Kermit insisted that the studio's first new release in three years be recorded on location with one of his Nakamichi 550 cassettes, using his famous BirdFoot microphone setup. I asked why, when our studio has so many newer recorders, did he insist of using a cassette deck? His answer was that he wanted to inspire Nakamichi owners that their recorders are capable of serious work, and he's also hoping to inspire a renaissance of analog recording, especially professional recordings made on high-quality cassette decks. I admit, I thought he was crazy, but when I heard the first session masters I couldn't believe it! I had owned a Technics cassette deck when I was in college in the 1990's, but honestly I never knew cassettes could sound like studio quality! Anyway, I'm really excited about this record release and I'm proud to be part of Kermit's team. It's so cool to be able to make a professional quality recording on a cassette recorder! We have more new records in the works, and yes, some of them are also being recorded  on Nakamichi cassette decks. The other recording projects are being recorded on our Tascam 80-8 and the customized Revox B77 reel-to-reel tape recorders. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Sep 9 15:20:44 2010 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 06:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 In-Reply-To: <635560.79299.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <114181.12060.qm@web50006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi people  I have a problem with my 480 and need some help what is happen is when I load a tape and start to record on it sometimes it goes right in to record and both reel tables spin but when I pause it and then resume the right side don't know if that is the take up side or not but anyway it lags behind  and sometimes it will catch up but other times it won't and I have to keep a eye on it so not to eat the tape.  I have checked the idler tire and it's in good shape but as far as the capstand belt I can't tell if it is bad or not it really don't feel like it's to loose but don't have a wow and flutter gauge to check it,and this might not even be what is wrong anyway.  can you guy's help me out ?  Russ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Thu Sep 9 16:05:28 2010 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (bobschneider8 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Technics SP-15 repair In-Reply-To: <50869.1283976489@cableone.net> Message-ID: <1201232397.1028267.1284041128713.JavaMail.root@sz0045a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I can't help you with a repair guy, but I can say that I'm really happy with my SP-15, and yours should be well worth fixing.  Some of the control ICs are supposed to be unobtainium if they blow, but your issue sounds like the power supply.  If you're up for some basic DIY work, you might just try changing the caps on the power supply PCB (the one under the metal cover beneath the deck, which the power cord connects to), and checking the resistors to make sure none are shorted.  The electrolytic caps are now something like 25 years old, and likely need to be replaced in any event. ----- Original Message ----- From: mrm12000 at cableone.net To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 3:08:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Technics SP-15 repair This isn't Nak related, but I'm hoping someone on the list can offer some insight. I have a Technics SP-15 turntable -- which is a high-quality standalone drive mechanism often used at radio stations -- that needs repair (it blows its fuse every time). Can anyone recommend a technician to do the work? I've found a few places online that look promising, but a firsthand recommendation would mean a great deal. Marc ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Sep 9 18:43:24 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:43:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon In-Reply-To: <635560.79299.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <635560.79299.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76A49102-5AB0-4A9E-8B04-98801175DBA0@peromarta.org> Check all DC rails first. LP. El 09/09/2010, a las 11:50, Terry Houchins escribió: > > Ron, > When PLAY is pressed the tape does not move which means the capstan does not either. > There's also no noise. > > Terry > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Sep 10 02:28:34 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:28:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Technics SP-15 repair In-Reply-To: <50869.1283976489@cableone.net> References: <50869.1283976489@cableone.net> Message-ID: Do you have a digital multimeter? An acceptable DMM can be purchased for $30. This can be used to DETERMINE if a power supply capacitor is shorted, rather than "carpet-bombing" the set with new caps on a "someone online told me to do this" basis. It is actually more common for a power supply cap to develop high ESR (equivalent series resistance), or even to open up, as opposed to shorting. (This is true of quality products, such as an SP-15, but far less true of junk-fi products where the cheapest possible parts were used.) The DMM can also tell you if the rectifier bridge is shorted, or if any supply voltages have zero ohms to ground (or close to zero ohms). Do you have basic soldering equipment, such as is made by Hakko, or even Tenma? An acceptable soldering rig can be bought for $50. Finally, use of a schematic diagram is essential to rational troubleshooting. There are numerous places on the web that sell complete service manuals in .pdf form at prices averaging $15 - $20. If it does turn out that capacitors are defective, get to know Mouser Electronics and Digi-Key Electronics. I know of no better places to buy quality commercial- and industrial-quality capacitors. Brands like Nichicon, Mallory, and Panasonic. Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:08 PM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > This isn't Nak related, but I'm hoping someone on the list can offer some > insight. > > I have a Technics SP-15 turntable -- which is a high-quality standalone > drive mechanism often used at > radio stations -- that needs repair (it blows its fuse every time). Can > anyone recommend a technician to > do the work? 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URL: From andrei_kho at hotmail.com Thu Sep 9 18:40:16 2010 From: andrei_kho at hotmail.com (andrei kho) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:40:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Technics SP-15 repair In-Reply-To: <1201232397.1028267.1284041128713.JavaMail.root@sz0045a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <50869.1283976489@cableone.net>, <1201232397.1028267.1284041128713.JavaMail.root@sz0045a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Check www.audiokarma.org forum turntable section. If you wouldn't find a solution already posted there, you can inquire and get help. I agree with the previous posting regarding the power supply; if you have some DIY skills, folks from Audiokarma will guide you. Andrei Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:05:28 +0000 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net To: mrm12000 at cableone.net; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics SP-15 repair CC: I can't help you with a repair guy, but I can say that I'm really happy with my SP-15, and yours should be well worth fixing. Some of the control ICs are supposed to be unobtainium if they blow, but your issue sounds like the power supply. If you're up for some basic DIY work, you might just try changing the caps on the power supply PCB (the one under the metal cover beneath the deck, which the power cord connects to), and checking the resistors to make sure none are shorted. The electrolytic caps are now something like 25 years old, and likely need to be replaced in any event. ----- Original Message ----- From: mrm12000 at cableone.net To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 3:08:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Technics SP-15 repair This isn't Nak related, but I'm hoping someone on the list can offer some insight. I have a Technics SP-15 turntable -- which is a high-quality standalone drive mechanism often used at radio stations -- that needs repair (it blows its fuse every time). Can anyone recommend a technician to do the work? I've found a few places online that look promising, but a firsthand recommendation would mean a great deal. 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URL: From gstrahle at chariot.net.au Fri Sep 10 00:41:21 2010 From: gstrahle at chariot.net.au (Graham Strahle) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:11:21 +0930 Subject: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the future? In-Reply-To: <324069.5578.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <324069.5578.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for passing on the news. I'll certainly get the CD and also hope a cassette transfer will be coming too. Graham On 09/09/2010, at 11:31 PM, LENA WONG wrote: > I hope a real-time cassette transfer can be released. Great Effort. > > Mike > > --- On Thu, 9/9/10, Dennis Ball wrote: > > From: Dennis Ball > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the future? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 8:12 AM > > Hi Julie, > > Thanks for the heads up! In the spirit of analog recording, I just have to ask, is it going to be available on cassette? > > Dennis > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Julie Kessler wrote: > Dear Fellow Naktalkers, > > Just wanted to pass along the news: a new CD has been released, recorded by Fellow Naktalker Kermit Gray, that was recorded with a vintage Nakamichi 550. Even better, I just heard today that the album was submitted to be considered for a Grammy Award for Best Engineered Classical album. Who knows? It would be awesome if an album recorded on a cassette deck could find its way through all the politics and judges to win a Grammy, yes? Hey, even if it doesn't make it to the second round, it's still really awesome! > > http://www.kvglabs.com/studio/page30/newcd.html is the album's web page, and yes it's for sale now, and over the next few weeks it'll be available through Amazon, iTunes and more places too! > > Kermit insisted that the studio's first new release in three years be recorded on location with one of his Nakamichi 550 cassettes, using his famous BirdFoot microphone setup. I asked why, when our studio has so many newer recorders, did he insist of using a cassette deck? His answer was that he wanted to inspire Nakamichi owners that their recorders are capable of serious work, and he's also hoping to inspire a renaissance of analog recording, especially professional recordings made on high-quality cassette decks. > > I admit, I thought he was crazy, but when I heard the first session masters I couldn't believe it! I had owned a Technics cassette deck when I was in college in the 1990's, but honestly I never knew cassettes could sound like studio quality! > > Anyway, I'm really excited about this record release and I'm proud to be part of Kermit's team. It's so cool to be able to make a professional quality recording on a cassette recorder! We have more new records in the works, and yes, some of them are also being recorded on Nakamichi cassette decks. The other recording projects are being recorded on our Tascam 80-8 and the customized Revox B77 reel-to-reel tape recorders. > > As Kermit says, "N-Joy!" > > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpmoss2 at netzero.com Fri Sep 10 01:33:59 2010 From: jpmoss2 at netzero.com (jim phillips) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:33:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the future? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like they dumped in to logic (digital for editing/mastering) so not all anlog. At 09:12 AM 9/9/2010, you wrote: >Hi Julie, > >Thanks for the heads up! In the spirit of analog recording, I just >have to ask, is it going to be available on cassette? > >Dennis > >On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Julie Kessler ><juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: >Dear Fellow Naktalkers, > >Just wanted to pass along the news: a new CD has been released, >recorded by Fellow Naktalker Kermit Gray, that was recorded with a >vintage Nakamichi 550. Even better, I just heard today that the >album was submitted to be considered for a Grammy Award for Best >Engineered Classical album. Who knows? It would be awesome if an >album recorded on a cassette deck could find its way through all the >politics and judges to win a Grammy, yes? Hey, even if it doesn't >make it to the second round, it's still really awesome! > >http://www.kvglabs.com/studio/page30/newcd.html >is the album's web page, and yes it's for sale now, and over the >next few weeks it'll be available through Amazon, iTunes and more places too! > >Kermit insisted that the studio's first new release in three years >be recorded on location with one of his Nakamichi 550 cassettes, >using his famous BirdFoot microphone setup. I asked why, when our >studio has so many newer recorders, did he insist of using a >cassette deck? His answer was that he wanted to inspire Nakamichi >owners that their recorders are capable of serious work, and he's >also hoping to inspire a renaissance of analog recording, especially >professional recordings made on high-quality cassette decks. > >I admit, I thought he was crazy, but when I heard the first session >masters I couldn't believe it! I had owned a Technics cassette deck >when I was in college in the 1990's, but honestly I never knew >cassettes could sound like studio quality! > >Anyway, I'm really excited about this record release and I'm proud >to be part of Kermit's team. It's so cool to be able to make a >professional quality recording on a cassette recorder! We have more >new records in the works, and yes, some of them are also being >recorded on Nakamichi cassette decks. The other recording projects >are being recorded on our Tascam 80-8 and the customized Revox B77 >reel-to-reel tape recorders. > >As Kermit says, "N-Joy!" > >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >www.kvglabs.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________ Web Income Scams Exposed We investigate the latest web scams. 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URL: From dalincer at comcast.net Sat Sep 11 08:58:37 2010 From: dalincer at comcast.net (DaLincerGuy) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:58:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Erratic Auto Stop Message-ID: <4C8B289D.9060902@comcast.net> NakTalk Denizens I own a self refurbished BX-300. After a good bit of startup repairs, the beauty has been running well. However, (always one here, yes?) recently while playing some C-90 cassettes it has started to auto-stop in the in the last 1/4 of the tape. I replaced the capstan belt, the Idler pulley and "cleaned" the mode changer motor. What do I need to check / clean / adjust to make the auto-stop less twitchy? I clean the capstans, their rubber tires and the heads with denatured alcohol before each cassette. I am using this in playback only for archiving purposes. From dalincer at comcast.net Sat Sep 11 09:05:46 2010 From: dalincer at comcast.net (DaLincerGuy) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:05:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Fixed output Fix Message-ID: <4C8B2A4A.80202@comcast.net> My BX-300 had developed a lopsided output level, and wiping the Output volume control up/down 50 times made it work for a while, and then no longer. As I only need this for direct input into a computer line in, I had already found that I only needed the level to run at the "5" mark for happy recordings. So I replaced the volume pot with two precision fixed resistors. Input signal to output signal 6.82K 1% MF (metal film) and a 3.24K 1% MF to ground. This keeps the input loading at 10K (same as control impedance) and the "1/3 out" seems to match the Audio Taper pot setting. Cost $0.75 for the 4 components and about 45minutes of extract / solder/ restore. Output balanced! David Lincer From jeruff at yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 13:46:06 2010 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 04:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the future? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <364912.85524.qm@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Yea, but in my experience that's not really going to change much about the original recording.  Computers (especially when recording at high bit-rates) do a pretty impeccable job of just recording what's there.  All the analog artifacts should still be audible...unless they filter them out which would seem to defeat the purpose. Jesse --- On Thu, 9/9/10, jim phillips wrote: From: jim phillips Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the future? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:33 PM Looks like they  dumped in to logic (digital for editing/mastering)  so not all anlog. At 09:12 AM 9/9/2010, you wrote: Hi Julie, Thanks for the heads up!  In the spirit of analog recording, I just have to ask, is it going to be available on cassette? Dennis On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Julie Kessler < juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: Dear Fellow Naktalkers, Just wanted to pass along the news: a new CD has been released, recorded by Fellow Naktalker Kermit Gray, that was recorded with  a vintage Nakamichi 550.  Even better, I just heard today that the album was submitted to be considered for a Grammy Award for Best Engineered Classical album. Who knows? It would be awesome if an album recorded on a cassette deck could find its way through all the politics and judges to win a Grammy, yes? Hey, even if it doesn't make it to the second round, it's still really awesome! http://www.kvglabs.com/studio/page30/newcd.html is the album's web page, and yes it's for sale now, and over the next few weeks it'll be available through Amazon, iTunes and more places too! Kermit insisted that the studio's first new release in three years be recorded on location with one of his Nakamichi 550 cassettes, using his famous BirdFoot microphone setup. I asked why, when our studio has so many newer recorders, did he insist of using a cassette deck? His answer was that he wanted to inspire Nakamichi owners that their recorders are capable of serious work, and he's also hoping to inspire a renaissance of analog recording, especially professional recordings made on high-quality cassette decks. I admit, I thought he was crazy, but when I heard the first session masters I couldn't believe it! I had owned a Technics cassette deck when I was in college in the 1990's, but honestly I never knew cassettes could sound like studio quality! Anyway, I'm really excited about this record release and I'm proud to be part of Kermit's team. It's so cool to be able to make a professional quality recording on a cassette recorder! We have more new records in the works, and yes, some of them are also being recorded  on Nakamichi cassette decks. The other recording projects are being recorded on our Tascam 80-8 and the customized Revox B77 reel-to-reel tape recorders. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Sep 11 15:06:36 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 06:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Erratic Auto Stop In-Reply-To: <4C8B289D.9060902@comcast.net> Message-ID: <620003.20421.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Haphazard stopping can be caused by  dirty or worn idler tire (most likely), weak or worn reel motor or (least likely) problems in the auto shut off circuit . I am assuming that by 'idler pulley' you mean 'idler' or 'idler tire' ? If so, your idler tire may be ruled out, because it's new and clean. To check the reel motor, measure hub torque per section 3.9 of page 5 in the service manual (but please avoid touching V601 unless you really know what you are doing). -- Ron -- Ron --- On Sat, 9/11/10, DaLincerGuy wrote: From: DaLincerGuy Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Erratic Auto Stop To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 2:58 AM NakTalk Denizens I own a self refurbished BX-300.   After a good bit of startup repairs, the beauty has been running well. However, (always one here, yes?)  recently while playing some C-90 cassettes it has started to auto-stop in the in the last 1/4 of the tape. I replaced the capstan belt, the Idler pulley and "cleaned" the mode changer motor. What do I need to check / clean / adjust to make the auto-stop less twitchy? I clean the capstans, their rubber tires and the heads with denatured alcohol before each cassette. I am using this in playback only for archiving purposes. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sat Sep 11 20:38:41 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 13:38:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the future? In-Reply-To: <364912.85524.qm@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <364912.85524.qm@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I asked Kermit about cassette copies and found out that he hasn't found a good cassette duplicator yet, and dislikes all the present tape stocks. Dave, one of our studio techs, is rebuilding our realtime cassette duplicator which was made from Nakamichi 600-II cassette decks and our 30-ips modified Revox B77. There's also a legal issue, I found out: a tape we sell direct (and not through a retailer) doesn't count toward Billboard sales tallies and that would violate the recording contract. so we have to wait until a cassette is made with a barcode and sold through a retailer. But I asked about "What about Naktalk" and Kermit said that he'd run a cassette off of the 30-ips analog duplication master for anyone on Naktalk who either buys a CD or a whole-album download. It would be great if you'd send a blank cassette because I found out we don't have many cassettes in stock: about 20 or so Maxell XL-II and 5 TDK, and I suspect the cassettes are being reserved for upcoming recording projects. Another thing that may interest you is that this album, and all upcoming albums, will be made available on analog reel-to-reel tapes too. If an album begins to show good sales, LP will be pressed too, but the inventory requirements for LPs will limit their editions to only the albums that are better sellers. (BTW, I've heard two of the upcoming albums in their early stages, and they're rock albums.) The analog reel-to-reel tapes will be duplicated in realtime, on 1.5-mil tape, at 7.5 ips in 1/4-track stereo format. Kermit built a special reel-to-reel for the purpose. We're waiting on new tape stocks from the ATR Tape company; their blank tapes are phenomenally quiet, but I must admit they're really slow to ship. Because this is the studio's first album released, we've had to go with digital releases, which I know Kermit isn't happy about, but the studio's commitment is the promotion of analog sound. The only "editing" in Logic was choosing which take became a track on the CD. It was all analog otherwise. What Kermit did was pick the "good take" from all the live cassette masters and transfer the take simultaneously to analog 15 ips and 30 ips tapes and to Logic on DAW #3. The songs themselves weren't edited; if the musician made a mistake he started over from the top. Kermit wanted to keep a live feel and not "edit the life out of the music" as he says. During the transfer to Logic, levels were set precisely so no further adjustments would be needed. No software processing at all was used because Kermit intensely dislikes software audio processing. No reverb was used -- what you hear is only what the microphones picked up. Note the CD is labeled AAD. That's as analog as a CD gets, I think. I wrote the liner notes and web site, so I apologize if I caused any mis-impressions; I'm not an audio engineer, but I'm learning. It's company policy that everyone working for Kermit has to be a musician (I play guitar) and has to learn the basics of studio recording. (I'm still confused about the difference between making amaster and mastering the recording....) Thanks for all the wonderful notes and all your interest. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:46 AM, jesse ruff wrote: > Yea, but in my experience that's not really going to change much about the > original recording. Computers (especially when recording at high bit-rates) > do a pretty impeccable job of just recording what's there. All the analog > artifacts should still be audible...unless they filter them out which would > seem to defeat the purpose. > Jesse > > --- On *Thu, 9/9/10, jim phillips * wrote: > > > From: jim phillips > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the > future? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:33 PM > > > Looks like they dumped in to logic (digital for editing/mastering) so not > all anlog. > > At 09:12 AM 9/9/2010, you wrote: > > Hi Julie, > > Thanks for the heads up! In the spirit of analog recording, I just have to > ask, is it going to be available on cassette? > > Dennis > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Julie Kessler > > wrote: > Dear Fellow Naktalkers, > > Just wanted to pass along the news: a new CD has been released, recorded by > Fellow Naktalker Kermit Gray, that was recorded with a vintage Nakamichi > 550. Even better, I just heard today that the album was submitted to be > considered for a Grammy Award for Best Engineered Classical album. Who > knows? It would be awesome if an album recorded on a cassette deck could > find its way through all the politics and judges to win a Grammy, yes? Hey, > even if it doesn't make it to the second round, it's still really awesome! > > http://www.kvglabs.com/studio/page30/newcd.html is the album's web page, > and yes it's for sale now, and over the next few weeks it'll be available > through Amazon, iTunes and more places too! > > Kermit insisted that the studio's first new release in three years be > recorded on location with one of his Nakamichi 550 cassettes, using his > famous BirdFoot microphone setup. I asked why, when our studio has so many > newer recorders, did he insist of using a cassette deck? His answer was that > he wanted to inspire Nakamichi owners that their recorders are capable of > serious work, and he's also hoping to inspire a renaissance of analog > recording, especially professional recordings made on high-quality cassette > decks. > > I admit, I thought he was crazy, but when I heard the first session masters > I couldn't believe it! I had owned a Technics cassette deck when I was in > college in the 1990's, but honestly I never knew cassettes could sound like > studio quality! > > Anyway, I'm really excited about this record release and I'm proud to be > part of Kermit's team. It's so cool to be able to make a professional > quality recording on a cassette recorder! We have more new records in the > works, and yes, some of them are also being recorded on Nakamichi cassette > decks. The other recording projects are being recorded on our Tascam 80-8 > and the customized Revox B77 reel-to-reel tape recorders. > > As Kermit says, "N-Joy!" > > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Web Income Scams Exposed* > We investigate the latest web scams. 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URL: From jpmoss2 at netzero.com Mon Sep 13 01:35:02 2010 From: jpmoss2 at netzero.com (jim phillips) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:35:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in the future? In-Reply-To: References: <364912.85524.qm@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: wow this is cool. any chance of getting 39 or 15 ips 2 track tapes? At 02:38 PM 9/11/2010, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I asked Kermit about cassette copies and found out that he hasn't >found a good cassette duplicator yet, and dislikes all the present >tape stocks. Dave, one of our studio techs, is rebuilding our >realtime cassette duplicator which was made from Nakamichi 600-II >cassette decks and our 30-ips modified Revox B77. > >There's also a legal issue, I found out: a tape we sell direct (and >not through a retailer) doesn't count toward Billboard sales tallies >and that would violate the recording contract. so we have to wait >until a cassette is made with a barcode and sold through a retailer. > >But I asked about "What about Naktalk" and Kermit said that he'd run >a cassette off of the 30-ips analog duplication master for anyone on >Naktalk who either buys a CD or a whole-album download. It would be >great if you'd send a blank cassette because I found out we don't >have many cassettes in stock: about 20 or so Maxell XL-II and 5 >TDK, and I suspect the cassettes are being reserved for upcoming >recording projects. > >Another thing that may interest you is that this album, and all >upcoming albums, will be made available on analog reel-to-reel tapes >too. If an album begins to show good sales, LP will be pressed too, >but the inventory requirements for LPs will limit their editions to >only the albums that are better sellers. (BTW, I've heard two of >the upcoming albums in their early stages, and they're rock albums.) > >The analog reel-to-reel tapes will be duplicated in realtime, on >1.5-mil tape, at 7.5 ips in 1/4-track stereo format. Kermit built a >special reel-to-reel for the purpose. We're waiting on new tape >stocks from the ATR Tape company; their blank tapes are phenomenally >quiet, but I must admit they're really slow to ship. > >Because this is the studio's first album released, we've had to go >with digital releases, which I know Kermit isn't happy about, but >the studio's commitment is the promotion of analog sound. > >The only "editing" in Logic was choosing which take became a track >on the CD. It was all analog otherwise. What Kermit did was pick the >"good take" from all the live cassette masters and transfer the take >simultaneously to analog 15 ips and 30 ips tapes and to Logic on DAW >#3. The songs themselves weren't edited; if the musician made a >mistake he started over from the top. Kermit wanted to keep a live >feel and not "edit the life out of the music" as he says. > >During the transfer to Logic, levels were set precisely so no >further adjustments would be needed. No software processing at all >was used because Kermit intensely dislikes software audio >processing. No reverb was used -- what you hear is only what the >microphones picked up. Note the CD is labeled AAD. That's as analog >as a CD gets, I think. > >I wrote the liner notes and web site, so I apologize if I caused any >mis-impressions; I'm not an audio engineer, but I'm learning. It's >company policy that everyone working for Kermit has to be a musician >(I play guitar) and has to learn the basics of studio recording. >(I'm still confused about the difference between making amaster and >mastering the recording....) > >Thanks for all the wonderful notes and all your interest. > >On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:46 AM, jesse ruff ><jeruff at yahoo.com> wrote: >Yea, but in my experience that's not really going to change much >about the original recording. Computers (especially when recording >at high bit-rates) do a pretty impeccable job of just recording >what's there. All the analog artifacts should still be >audible...unless they filter them out which would seem to defeat the purpose. >Jesse > >--- On Thu, 9/9/10, jim phillips ><jpmoss2 at netzero.com> wrote: > >From: jim phillips <jpmoss2 at netzero.com> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could there be a Grammy Award Winning Nak in >the future? >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" ><naktalk at naks.com> >Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:33 PM > > >Looks like they dumped in to logic (digital for >editing/mastering) so not all anlog. > >At 09:12 AM 9/9/2010, you wrote: >>Hi Julie, >> >>Thanks for the heads up! In the spirit of analog recording, I just >>have to ask, is it going to be available on cassette? >> >>Dennis >> >>On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Julie Kessler >>< >>juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: >>Dear Fellow Naktalkers, >>Just wanted to pass along the news: a new CD has been released, >>recorded by Fellow Naktalker Kermit Gray, that was recorded with a >>vintage Nakamichi 550. Even better, I just heard today that the >>album was submitted to be considered for a Grammy Award for Best >>Engineered Classical album. Who knows? It would be awesome if an >>album recorded on a cassette deck could find its way through all >>the politics and judges to win a Grammy, yes? Hey, even if it >>doesn't make it to the second round, it's still really awesome! >> >>http://www.kvglabs.com/studio/page30/newcd.html >>is the album's web page, and yes it's for sale now, and over the >>next few weeks it'll be available through Amazon, iTunes and more places too! >>Kermit insisted that the studio's first new release in three years >>be recorded on location with one of his Nakamichi 550 cassettes, >>using his famous BirdFoot microphone setup. I asked why, when our >>studio has so many newer recorders, did he insist of using a >>cassette deck? His answer was that he wanted to inspire Nakamichi >>owners that their recorders are capable of serious work, and he's >>also hoping to inspire a renaissance of analog recording, >>especially professional recordings made on high-quality cassette decks. >>I admit, I thought he was crazy, but when I heard the first session >>masters I couldn't believe it! I had owned a Technics cassette deck >>when I was in college in the 1990's, but honestly I never knew >>cassettes could sound like studio quality! >>Anyway, I'm really excited about this record release and I'm proud >>to be part of Kermit's team. It's so cool to be able to make a >>professional quality recording on a cassette recorder! We have more >>new records in the works, and yes, some of them are also being >>recorded on Nakamichi cassette decks. The other recording projects >>are being recorded on our Tascam 80-8 and the customized Revox B77 >>reel-to-reel tape recorders. >>As Kermit says, "N-Joy!" >>-- Julie Kessler >>juliek at kvglabs.com >>Artist Development Executive >>KVG Laboratories >>www.kvglabs.com >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Web >Income Scams Exposed >We >investigate the latest web scams. 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URL: From dalincer at comcast.net Mon Sep 13 04:17:44 2010 From: dalincer at comcast.net (DaLincerGuy) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:17:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Erratic Auto Stop Message-ID: <4C8D89C8.3030801@comcast.net> Ron; I will clean the idler tire before the next run and report on the results. It is a medium annoyance when it fails to complete one side in one piece. I fix the stops in software afterward. Thanks for the suggestion. David ----- Ron wrote: Haphazard stopping can be caused by dirty or worn idler tire (most likely), weak or worn reel motor or (least likely) problems in the auto shut off circuit . I am assuming that by 'idler pulley' you mean 'idler' or 'idler tire' ? If so, your idler tire may be ruled out, because it's new and clean. To check the reel motor, measure hub torque per section 3.9 of page 5 in the service manual (but please avoid touching V601 unless you really know what you are doing). -- Ron --- On *Sat, 9/11/10, DaLincerGuy //* wrote: From: DaLincerGuy Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Erratic Auto Stop To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 2:58 AM NakTalk Denizens I own a self refurbished BX-300. After a good bit of startup repairs, the beauty has been running well. However, (always one here, yes?) recently while playing some C-90 cassettes it has started to auto-stop in the in the last 1/4 of the tape. I replaced the capstan belt, the Idler pulley and "cleaned" the mode changer motor. What do I need to check / clean / adjust to make the auto-stop less twitchy? I clean the capstans, their rubber tires and the heads with denatured alcohol before each cassette. 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The seller never bothered to take pictures of his > own equipment. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-600-Cassette-Deck-Looks-Excellent-/250695572581?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5e9edc65 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-600-Cassette-Deck-Looks-Excellent-/250695573805?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5e9ee12d From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Sep 17 11:24:59 2010 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:24:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] rare Nak items? Message-ID: Maybe somebody has a take on the following Nakamichi items which do not ever appear on the two main eBay sites (volume wise)--USA and Germany: Amplifier I (Amp II  aplenty),  MB 1 CD Player (MB2 and MB2s etc aplenty ),  682 ZX Tape deck(680 ZX aplenty). Were there only a few of these items ever sold? Or was the country of sale very restricted? 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These are photos taken by myself. > From: tr463rsb at comcast.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:59:13 -0400 > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 91, Issue 13 > > Sounds highly fishy to me, smells of decaying sea bass. So, how did the > seller get two of these Nak 600's? They apparently BOTH came from someones > home and both are in the same condition? I can possibly see a working unit > and a parts spare for backup, but this does not appear to be the case. He > could have a ghost bidder on one to drive the price on the other. > > Rob > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:37:39 -0600 > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] 600 Cassette Deck - Ebay seller copied my ads > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I'm working with Ebay to get these two ads deleted. The seller used my > pictures and description format for selling his items. > My advice is don't place a bid. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 15:56:18 2010 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon In-Reply-To: <281876.53622.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <570025.62917.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Terry, The Dragon has no drive belts. The two capstans are extensions of the direct drive motors which are quartz locked.( you'll see a circuit board behind the motors). The only belts are the azimuth, cam and counter. Please be careful as this is a very unique design as compared to other classic transports. Good luck. Ram. --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Terry Houchins wrote: From: Terry Houchins Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 9:58 PM I got my belt kit in for my Dragon today and I've already removed the cassette assy from the unit. I see the large FF/RW belt right behind the cassette door in the first compartment. It seems the cassette assy is in three compartments, one after the other. Should I start removing each compartment to expose the other belts? I believe the capstan belt is right behind the large FF/RW belt in the second compartment.   any help is appreciated. Terry     -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arthur at arkin.co.uk Sat Sep 18 14:57:57 2010 From: arthur at arkin.co.uk (Arthur Arkin) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:57:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The most reputable Dragon service center in the UK Message-ID: I am looking to get a Nak Dragon fully overhauled and brought back to top performance. Who are the Dragon service specialists in the UK? and of these who do you recommend to carry out the tune up and repairs? Many thanks in advance Arthur. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Sep 18 17:10:24 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:10:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The most reputable Dragon service center in the UK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90C8D381-2964-4A70-9292-AEA125D58082@peromarta.org> Bower and Wilkins. Info at classic-nakamichi.com Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 18/09/2010, a las 14:57, Arthur Arkin escribió: > I am looking to get a Nak Dragon fully overhauled and brought back to top performance. Who are the Dragon service specialists in the UK? and of these who do you recommend to carry out the tune up and repairs? > > Many thanks in advance > > Arthur. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Sep 18 17:27:54 2010 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:27:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The most reputable Dragon service center in the UK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20service.html On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Arthur Arkin wrote: > I am looking to get a Nak Dragon fully overhauled and brought back to top > performance. Who are the Dragon service specialists in the UK? and of these > who do you recommend to carry out the tune up and repairs? > > Many thanks in advance > > Arthur. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry75115 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 17:48:49 2010 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt installation In-Reply-To: <201009181117.o8IB7KLb023257@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <29885.46407.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> This is not my first rodeo guys. It's my first Idler tire & belt installation on a Dragon. I've done RX-202, RX-505 & CR-7A before, but not a Dragon. Of course I don't know what I'm doing, but I have to start sometime. I realized later that the belt I referred to was the counter belt and not a FF/RW belt. You people that sent me negative emails, would never make good instructors. Beginners like me will always say and do stupid things before they get it right. That's why I ask ask as many questions as I can.   Terry     -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Sat Sep 18 20:20:25 2010 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:20:25 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] The most reputable Dragon service center in the UK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C9502E9.50205@ttmail.com> Bowers & Wilkins http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html Ural 18.09.2010 15:57, Arthur Arkin yazm?s,: > I am looking to get a Nak Dragon fully overhauled and brought back to > top performance. Who are the Dragon service specialists in the UK? and > of these who do you recommend to carry out the tune up and repairs? > > Many thanks in advance > > Arthur. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Sep 19 00:22:34 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 00:22:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt installation In-Reply-To: <29885.46407.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <29885.46407.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60927158-0B37-4EF2-A9C6-CA386706D37A@peromarta.org> If you have worked on a 505, a dragon should be no problem. They both use a classic transport you are probably used to by now. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 18/09/2010, a las 17:48, Terry Houchins escribió: > This is not my first rodeo guys. > It's my first Idler tire & belt installation on a Dragon. > I've done RX-202, RX-505 & CR-7A before, but not a Dragon. > Of course I don't know what I'm doing, but I have to start sometime. > I realized later that the belt I referred to was the counter belt and not a FF/RW belt. > You people that sent me negative emails, would never make good instructors. > Beginners like me will always say and do stupid things before they get it right. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 19 14:36:17 2010 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt installation In-Reply-To: <29885.46407.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <29885.46407.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94927.22308.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Terry, While lack of knowledge or carelessness can 'brick' a good Nak, the careful hands usually learn fast. I guess those who tried to reign you in with their negative mails, were trying to err on the side of caution. But you will find a number of naysayers here. If you have the knowledge, feel confident (and have the experiences with a 505 and CR-7A), just do it. It's your deck and for a number of guys (including me), its how we started out. Over time I am sure you will fine tune yourself as you bring both the decks and your skills closer to perfection. Whatever it is, keep asking because that's the best way you and everyone else here learns! Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: Terry Houchins To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 11:48:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt installation This is not my first rodeo guys. >It's my first Idler tire & belt installation on a Dragon. >I've done RX-202, RX-505 & CR-7A before, but not a Dragon. >Of course I don't know what I'm doing, but I have to start sometime. >I realized later that the belt I referred to was the counter belt and not a >FF/RW belt. >You people that sent me negative emails, would never make good instructors. >Beginners like me will always say and do stupid things before they get it right. >That's why I ask ask as many questions as I can. > >Terry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Sep 19 16:00:35 2010 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Dragon Belt Installation Message-ID: <391272632.1331124.1284904835731.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Terry, I apologize if I came off negative. Actually, I was going for condescending...;-)...., but as an engineer for the past 32 years myself, I know how to approach a new problem. You're right you have to start somewhere. I'm sure many of the Naktalkers come off as prima donnaish, snobby, or just spiteful. I've seen your questions on AK as well, and you just don't give enough simple background to eliminate a lot of useless replies. Sorry, but you're not a noob, you've seen how questions and backgrounds are laid out. Additionally, especially here, some contribution to the list, is always appreciated. We are (most) all busy people here, with family and job constraints, so throw us a bone and help us help yourself and others. No one wants you to fail, we all want as many working Naks out there as possible! A simple "Hello, I own/have owned an RX-202, RX-505, and CR-7 and have replaced XYZ on them in the past, and know how to remove the transport/replace idler tires, etc, etc. I recently got a rough Dragon that needs some TLC, but I think I'm up to the task. I have the service manual and am looking for any advice on common pitfalls or specific difficulties that differentiates a Dragon from the others. I've read many of the archives here, but there is not a lot of specific technical information or at least I couldn't find it. I hope to contribute here more when I can" . That's not asking a lot, I think, and your reception would have been much warmer. No ones asking you to suck up to people here, just look at it from our perspective. I think most everyone will agree that you will get more useful answers for yourself, as well as other list members, if you narrow down your issues, and introduce your background and capabilities. Naktalk, in general, tries to be a community, not a Help Desk. It's not a break your arm patting yourself on the back community, or an exclusive club community. But here, like on many forums, an individual that come in with what can be perceived as a "What can I get form you all, and leave" attitude, is going to catch more flak than help. So you also have to have a little tough skin..many of my early posts were somewhat ridiculed, but I also gleaned a lot of useful information here. I've received many direct emails, with truley useful information. (Thank you all, by the way) I've read the archives, twice. All of them, that are technical, anyway. You're not the first one to get a less than stellar reception here by a long shot. Sorry if I preached too much here, but I've seen this play rehearsed before in the archives, and since you appear a genuine Nak lover, then we'd hate to lose your contributions. Plus, things have been rather dull here as of late,and we need a good controversy once in a while...LOL. Perry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Sep 19 17:53:14 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 08:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Dragon Belt Installation In-Reply-To: <391272632.1331124.1284904835731.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <291084.47804.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Perry you are not negative but very practical in your reply If somebody asks me a question for a specific issue, I can answer if  i know as we have lot of things on our hand including full time job( unlike some of the folks here). So do not expect answers expecting all scenarios for a generic question  Secondly You do not get spare parts ( mechanical parts)  for many of the Naks excepting belts- that is why I find ESL can ask for the sky to service your machine. And Dragon transport removal is not as easy as you think ( I have calculated approximately 40 Photos and explanation will be required to show this )- and you can replace some of the belts without removing the transport out of the chassis if you are intelligent and patient and that is the way to go if you ask me   and somebody else suggests you to go ahead and you will succeed - is extremely optimistic. I would say that you should be prepared to loose a Dragon or part of its functionality for learning. Belt change is not what I mean here but transport removal or idler tire replacement is what I am talking about - can be trrible.   You will not get answers to all your question in Naktalk as I have not seen similar issues in about 30 -40 Dragons I serviced in the last two years alone. I doubt many have seen even half that number in their bench? I have two Dragon donor machines always available to do servicing so that I can touch another Dragon without worry. And non working dragons can cost between 350 to 450$ a piece if you are lucky   Need I say more Kannan --- On Sun, 9/19/10, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] RE:Dragon Belt Installation To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, September 19, 2010, 10:00 AM #yiv104920908 p {margin:0;} Terry, I apologize if I came off negative.  Actually, I was going for condescending...;-)...., but as an engineer for the past 32 years myself, I know how to approach a new problem.  You're right you have to start somewhere. I'm sure many of the Naktalkers come off as prima donnaish, snobby, or just spiteful. I've seen your questions on AK as well, and you just don't give enough simple background to eliminate a lot of useless replies.  Sorry, but you're not a noob, you've seen how questions and backgrounds are laid out. Additionally, especially here, some contribution to the list, is always appreciated.  We are (most) all busy people here, with family and job constraints, so throw us a bone and help us help yourself and others. No one wants you to fail, we all want as many working Naks out there as possible! A simple "Hello, I own/have owned an RX-202, RX-505, and CR-7 and have replaced XYZ on them in the past, and know how to remove the transport/replace idler tires, etc, etc. I recently got a rough Dragon that needs some TLC, but I think I'm up to the task.  I have the service manual and am looking for any advice on common pitfalls or specific difficulties that differentiates a Dragon from the others.  I've read many of the archives here, but there is not a lot of specific technical information or at least I couldn't find it.  I hope to contribute here more when I can" . That's not asking a lot, I think, and your reception would have been much warmer. No ones asking you to suck up to people here, just look at it from our perspective. I think most everyone will agree that you will get more useful answers for yourself, as well as other list members, if you narrow down your issues, and introduce your background and capabilities. Naktalk, in general, tries to be a community, not a Help Desk. It's not a break your arm patting yourself on the back community, or an exclusive club community. But here, like on many forums, an individual that come in with what can be perceived as a "What can I get form you all, and leave" attitude, is going to catch  more flak than help. So you also have to have a little tough skin..many of my early posts were somewhat ridiculed, but I also gleaned a lot of useful information here. I've received many direct emails, with truley useful information.  (Thank you all, by the way) I've read the archives, twice. All of them, that are technical, anyway. You're not the first one to get a less than stellar reception here by a long shot. Sorry if I preached too much here, but I've seen this play rehearsed before in the archives, and since you appear a genuine Nak lover, then we'd hate to lose your contributions.  Plus, things have been rather dull here as of late,and we need a good controversy once in a while...LOL. Perry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well worth the effort for whoever is capable as it would become a real reference page for most Nak Dragon fans though dragon service experts would no doubt hate it. Still it would be great to perform re-alignment and retune if equiped with the right instruments and tools. If this happens, whoever does it should be sure to upload it where it is likely to remain for at least a decade, ala google picasa or flickr. Would be worth turning into a pdf too. Please do it On 19 September 2010 19:22, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hi, > > Maybe it's a good idea to make pictures of all the steps so we can make a > manual of it? > > Regards Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- arthur at arkin.co.uk UK MOBILE: +44 7906 700712 NYC Cell: +1 212 731 4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 23 14:40:37 2010 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:40:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 'Blank' cassettes offered Message-ID: <566962.73276.bm@smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi all Before I offer these on eBay or Freecycle, I thought I'd offer Nak lovers the chance to get these tapes first. I do little or no recording now so I'm offering around 100 ferric cassettes that have music on them but can be re-used. Sadly I don't have a bulk eraser so the erasing will need to be done by the recipient to comply with copyright laws. These are largely unremarkable tapes and I will catalog the whole lot if anyone is interested and I'll work out a shipping cost. The majority of the 100 are C90's but there are some C60's, C120's (shock, horror) and probably a few other wacky lengths that some makers adopted. If no-one needs these, I'll offer them elsewhere. Just can't bear to face putting something that gave me so much pleasure onto landfill, especially when I see what my BX-300E can do with ferrics. I'll happily send photos and other details to anyone who mails me offline. Thanksfor reading. Chris Mann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Sat Sep 25 03:03:04 2010 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:03:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 BX 300 Message-ID: <4C9D4A48.4060501@windstream.net> Ok we are all aware of the motor problems with these decks, just picked up two MR-1's for a song and both function one needs an idler. My question, has anyone attempted a rebuild of the motor drive board? Thanks, Fran Giddings From dgb100 at psu.edu Sun Sep 26 00:01:53 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:01:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR5 Issues Message-ID: Hey fellas, been a long time. My trusty old CR5 has started having some issues. When playing the play head will disengage slightly and slur for a second, then play fine for a while. Almost sounds like an auto reverse deck trying to switch sides Thanks Derrick From alias33 at t-online.de Sun Sep 26 12:50:12 2010 From: alias33 at t-online.de (alias33 at t-online.de) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:50:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR5 Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DECCAB4-D3B2-473D-B346-0BDD655D6D41@t-online.de> Derrick, sounds to me like the issue I had with my CR-4 a while ago. After all cleaning the contacts of the mode switch (a triple cam switch) was the solution. In the Sercice Manual of the CR-4 the mode switch is the item No.67 on page 17 fig. 7.4. Mike Am 26.09.2010 um 00:01 schrieb Beckner, Derrick: > Hey fellas, been a long time. My trusty old CR5 has started having > some issues. When playing the play head will disengage slightly and > slur for a second, then play fine for a while. Almost sounds like > an auto reverse deck trying to switch sides > > Thanks > Derrick > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Sep 26 15:07:10 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 06:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 BX 300 In-Reply-To: <4C9D4A48.4060501@windstream.net> Message-ID: <780012.90468.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I was never aware of 'the motor problems' (you meann, the capstan motor, right?), even though I've repaired several. I don't think the Sankyo capstan motor electronics fail any more than other vintage electronics. To your question: to me, 'rebuilding' mean taking completely apart, replacing all bad parts and reassembling. I would not attempt this on a Sankyo DD board, as it's too risky to do on 30 years old PCBs. Resistors are old style SMD, the tracks are prone to lift, etc.. Rebuilding is called for where there is a general deterioration of the whole board. In this case, there is one part that fails often (the driver IC). I have never replaced any other part. Bottom line: I wouldn't touch the capstan motor PCB, unless it malfunctions and then, I would only repair.as necessary. Good luck with your MR-1s, -- Ron --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Fran Giddinmgs wrote: From: Fran Giddinmgs Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 BX 300 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 9:03 PM Ok we are all aware of the motor problems with these decks, just picked up two MR-1's for a song and both function one needs an idler. My question, has anyone attempted a rebuild of the motor drive board? 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Sep 26 15:37:12 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 06:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR5 Issues In-Reply-To: <3DECCAB4-D3B2-473D-B346-0BDD655D6D41@t-online.de> Message-ID: <457467.72749.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If that doesn't help, try to clean the capstans and pinch rollers. -- Ron --- On Sun, 9/26/10, alias33 at t-online.de wrote: From: alias33 at t-online.de Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR5 Issues To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 6:50 AM Derrick, sounds to me like the issue I had with my CR-4 a while ago. After all cleaning the contacts of the mode switch (a triple cam switch) was the solution. In the Sercice Manual of the CR-4 the mode switch is the item No.67 on page 17 fig. 7.4. Mike Am 26.09.2010 um 00:01 schrieb Beckner, Derrick: > Hey fellas, been a long time.  My trusty old CR5 has started having some issues.  When playing the play head will disengage slightly and slur for a second, then play fine for a while.  Almost sounds like an auto reverse deck trying to switch sides > > Thanks > Derrick > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Sun Sep 26 17:05:13 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:05:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR5 Issues In-Reply-To: <457467.72749.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <3DECCAB4-D3B2-473D-B346-0BDD655D6D41@t-online.de>, <457467.72749.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys. I cleaned it up pretty good and the more it has been used the less frequent the problem. Will give in another going over and see if it clears up for good. Had been using it pretty frequenlty until about a year ago when I got my tapes all transferred to the computer. Cleared some room out for it in the old home entertainment rack, amazing how good it sounds. Hadn't had it on the "big stereo" for many years. Think I may unpack the crate o' tapes stored in my office, much to wife's chagrin I'm sure. Checking out the prices on EBay, it is unbeleivable how much Naks are going for now a days, and how hard they are getting to find. Should have invested in a few 1000s and ZX9s instead of the stock market. :) On another subject, are TDK and Maxell only making Type Is these days? Last time I was active you could still find the XLII and even XLIIS at a few places on-line. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron [ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR5 Issues If that doesn't help, try to clean the capstans and pinch rollers. -- Ron --- On Sun, 9/26/10, alias33 at t-online.de wrote: From: alias33 at t-online.de Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR5 Issues To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 6:50 AM Derrick, sounds to me like the issue I had with my CR-4 a while ago. After all cleaning the contacts of the mode switch (a triple cam switch) was the solution. In the Sercice Manual of the CR-4 the mode switch is the item No.67 on page 17 fig. 7.4. Mike Am 26.09.2010 um 00:01 schrieb Beckner, Derrick: > Hey fellas, been a long time. My trusty old CR5 has started having some issues. When playing the play head will disengage slightly and slur for a second, then play fine for a while. Almost sounds like an auto reverse deck trying to switch sides > > Thanks > Derrick > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Sep 26 21:30:11 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:30:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Message-ID: Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? 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Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Julie Kessler Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:30 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? [Hope that's not too off topic!] Thanks for the advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 05:16:45 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 20:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <923563.95548.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One interesting Nak selling it at throw away price is LX5 on ebay - worth every penny you spend as  it is Dual capstan 3 head with nice Nakamichi transport - which works for couple of Decades without any wear   Or a full fledged ZX 7 sometimes you can get it for really nice price less than 350 with additional Bias level calibration - fantastic sound   also I should sugest a Thorens Td 165 you can get it around 100 -1504 range - great turn table any MM cart will get you the sound you will never forget Kannan --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 3:30 PM Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of  Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace  amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 05:51:08 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 20:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: <923563.95548.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <391217.73150.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry  about TD 165 (--- 1504-) This or similar models  goes for 100 to 150$ range generally needs a belt most of the times kannan --- On Sun, 9/26/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: Re: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 11:16 PM One interesting Nak selling it at throw away price is LX5 on ebay - worth every penny you spend as  it is Dual capstan 3 head with nice Nakamichi transport - which works for couple of Decades without any wear   Or a full fledged ZX 7 sometimes you can get it for really nice price less than 350 with additional Bias level calibration - fantastic sound   also I should sugest a Thorens Td 165 you can get it around 100 -1504 range - great turn table any MM cart will get you the sound you will never forget Kannan --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 3:30 PM Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of  Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace  amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 06:45:59 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:45:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Julie, I own a repair company in San Diego -- www.repairaudio.com I think you've made a wonderful choice to buy a Nak cassette deck. As far as the turntable, Kannan's suggestion of a Thorens TD-165 is excellent. However, DO NOT BUY A TURNTABLE ON EBAY. The attrition rate on quality turntables (with heavy platters) on eBay is probably 50% or higher. Why? Because the sellers seldom pack them correctly. It takes over an hour and special packing techniques to ship a turntable properly. The eBay shipping calculator, however, only covers the cost of jamming the turntable in a carton with a bunch of peanuts. Also, a majority of sellers of used gear online either lie about the condition of the gear or simply do not know enough to tell a fully working set from one that needs major services. Expect that after you buy the Nak you will need to pay someone to bring it back to spec. There are plenty of folks on this site who service Naks to a very high level of performance. There are numerous decent CD players out there. I buy and sell a great number of Sony CD players; however, I am generally impressed with gear from NAD and Yamaha. Cassette decks and CD players are easy to ship -- and that's a good thing. They are simple, rectangular boxes. They don't try to come apart during transport. They are not super heavy. I buy many cassette decks and CD players on eBay. I bat about 85% as far as units that arrive undamaged. As for the other 15%, I am a merciless buyer. You screw up when you sell to me, I want ALL my money back, and I want to keep the unit too -- for the recycling bin. Always pay for stuff on eBay using Pay Pal. Fred Longworth Fred Classic Audio Repair San Diego On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Julie Kessler < juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm > a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done > until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi > cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good > stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my > Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my > Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just > so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the > Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the > older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion > and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. > > So here's what I need to pick out: > > 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s > to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? > ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be > reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model > Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so > tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I > can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be > a pest and have to ask.) > > 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I > don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting > some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee > discounts are fun!). > > 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you > still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does > Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore > (other than eBay)? [Hope that's not too off topic!] > > Thanks for the advice! > > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 00:04:25 2010 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:04:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: <000c01cb5dbb$0d2ea7a0$278bf6e0$@utah.edu> References: <000c01cb5dbb$0d2ea7a0$278bf6e0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Julie, First off, I'm envious that you get to work for a brilliant engineer like Kermit. That's a heck of an opportunity and I hope you make the most of it :-) If most of your music is of the downloaded variety, you might consider replacing your sources with the lossless versions instead of files encoded via MP3 or AAC (if you use a Mac the lossless files you look for will probably have a .m4a extension but the FLAC codec is available for Mac as well). Lossless-compressed files wouldn't take up all that much more room than an MP3 if they're encoded properly using a good codec, and the files can be converted and burnt to audio CD format for replay in a good CD deck. For digital players, you can get a second-hand Music Hall, Acram, or Cambridge Audio for $300-$450 depending on how you go about it. I'd highly recommend that over a garden variety component deck if you can swing it, but then again I'd recommend a garden variety component deck over playing digital sources from a computing platform :-) I second Vic's choice of phono cartridges, the Shure M97xE Audiophile is the best cart I've ever heard under a hundred bucks, and it sounds like it should cost ten times what it does. Vic also gave good advice for a tape deck; if you don't have a need for the flashy UDAR mechanism and won't be wanting to constantly adjust and calibrate your tape deck, the BX-125 and others in that line are a solid starter decks and can be found on ebay for starting around $80 shipped most days, and the CR-2A is even less. I'll warn you now, though: the entry-level deck will just whet your appetite and pretty soon you'll be saving money and sniping auctions for the good stuff :-) Cheers, -Tim On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Julie, > > > > I would suggest finding a better source than mp3. The first Decks that > comes to mind would be a BX300 or MR-1 for ease of use. A nice older make > turn table( Denon or Technics) should be fine. I would make sure you get a > brand new cartridge. A Shure M97 is a nice place to start. Not sure what CD > player. > > > > Vic > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Julie Kessler > *Sent:* Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:30 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck > > > > Hi Guys, > > I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm > a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done > until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi > cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good > stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my > Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my > Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just > so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the > Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the > older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion > and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. > > So here's what I need to pick out: > > 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s > to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? > ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be > reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model > Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so > tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I > can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be > a pest and have to ask.) > > 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I > don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting > some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee > discounts are fun!). > > 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you > still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does > Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore > (other than eBay)? 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URL: From philztops at hotmail.com Mon Sep 27 01:31:02 2010 From: philztops at hotmail.com (Philip Czekala) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:31:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Julie, Hi, So you finally discovered that you want to enjoy the sounds of hi quality music reproduction. Great! While it is rather difficult to tell someone what they should or should not purchase, especially on an open forum such as this one here are some of my opinions. While the tape deck is not the logical first place to start we will go there to cover your order. You want to start with a basic but good performing Nakamichi and for this I would recommend the BX-300. Its kind of like their starting point for the hi-end decks and they are still available and at a reasonable priced. Be very careful what you buy when you search eBay for them as most of the stuff on eBay seems to need repair or restoration work which can be very expensive. Stay away from the "Dragons" and the other "esoteric NAKS" until you know a lot about them. One of the best places to start is ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, CT 06109 phone 860-529-3700 ask for Jeff Galin. Now for your new vinyl spinner. First you will be amazed how many folks are returning to the full rich sounds of vinyl recordings and the turntable selection has become almost endless (as long as your cash supply is endless too) I use a "REGA Planar III" with the REGA tone arm and cartridge. They are modestly priced and can be totally rebuilt without taking you to the cleaners. These can also be found on eBay or some of the other audiophile sites. Do avoid record changers as these things are for the collectors and can be very problematic. Records are again being manufactured and there are many other sources for them too like flea markets, consignment shops, GOOD WILL & SALVATION ARMY outlets to name a few. In fact there is a well established record shop in my area that carries new and used vinyl recordings. www.cutlers.com And I'm sure there are many more. As far as a CD player goes the technology is there on most of them. I like the "PIONEER ELITE" line myself but I have a friend who does a lot of DJ work and he uses the cheapest ones he can find at Radio Shack with good results. He likes them because he can get replacements for 87 bucks whenever he needs one. Now, the SOUND. After the Tape Deck The turntable, tone arm and cartridge etc, you want to hear all this equipment come to life through your SPEAKERS. This is where it can become very daunting and expensive. You can get speakers anywhere from $150.00 a pair to thousands of dollars and anywhere in between. I would recommend finding some Audio Boutiques in your area seeing what's available in the price range you want to stay at and giving them a listen, then shop around for the best price deals. Again, once you know what you want look for used but not abused bargains on the auction or audiophile equipment for sale sites. Also don't forget about adding a high quality Sub Woofer to the system, you'll love it. The next biggie on the list is the amp/ preamp setup. While there are many integrated amps out there nothing beats a good power amp with a matching preamp and a good FM tuner. This can become very expensive especially if you go the high end route but the results are very rewarding indeed. If you don't want to or can't afford it search eBay for some of the older MARANTZ equipment. I thing there are some very reputable rebuilders there with some nice clean items for sale. Look for 75 to 100 watt per channel for some good sound and make sure you get enough power for your speakers. I'm using older McIntosh equipment to power Magnepan speakers and the sound is incredible. The only thing is these speakers need 100 watts each to sound good. And just be sure that the equipment you buy weather it's a separate amp / preamp or an integrated receiver, has the proper inputs for PHONO, TAPE, FM, AM etc. And enough power. One last note, unless you know exactly what you want to buy try to avoid the big box stores that sell TVs, computers, cameras, washing machines, vacuum cleaners mattresses and all that other stuff. These are only a few suggestions and they are sure to stir some controversy on this site but they are only suggestions and guidelines. I hope with time and money you get yourself a good sounding system. Check out www.audiogon.com . Hope this helps. Phil Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:30:11 -0500 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? [Hope that's not too off topic!] Thanks for the advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 27 03:33:59 2010 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:33:59 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: <000c01cb5dbb$0d2ea7a0$278bf6e0$@utah.edu> References: , <000c01cb5dbb$0d2ea7a0$278bf6e0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: I've been through some 20 CD players. Without headphones, I found the OMS-1A, -2A, and -3A had no or little difference in quality Nakamichi sound. Also owned the OMS-5A and found the OMS-1A, -2A, and -3A beat the OMS-5A in sound. The Nak CD Player 2 (multi-disk music bank) also beat the OMS-5A in sound, but not the OMS-1A, -2A, and -3A. The only Nak CD player I kept was the OMS-1A which would be my advice to buy. It's great sound, simplicity, and wireless remote controllable. My advice only. Refuse to argue on the subject. Direct drive Technics turntables are nice and hopefully I'll get one on Ebay (seller I.D.: Sotaman05) next Sunday night. If you inherited or am about to inherit a lot of $$$$, then look for a Nak turntable. These days buy albums on Ebay. I'm having a hard time getting rid of my nice collection. Many are available for $4 (shipping included). From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:40:26 -0600 Julie, I would suggest finding a better source than mp3. The first Decks that comes to mind would be a BX300 or MR-1 for ease of use. A nice older make turn table( Denon or Technics) should be fine. I would make sure you get a brand new cartridge. A Shure M97 is a nice place to start. Not sure what CD player. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Julie Kessler Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:30 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? [Hope that's not too off topic!] Thanks for the advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Name: ATT00001 URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 07:02:14 2010 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:02:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: <391217.73150.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <923563.95548.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <391217.73150.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I totally bought a TD165 a few years ago on ebay - aside from having to change out the belt and output cables it was awesome, and works still. -Tim On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:51 PM, kannan srinivasaraghavan < kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> wrote: > Sorry about TD 165 (--- 1504-) This or similar models goes for 100 to > 150$ range generally needs a belt most of the times > kannan > > --- On *Sun, 9/26/10, kannan srinivasaraghavan >* wrote: > > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 11:16 PM > > > One interesting Nak selling it at throw away price is LX5 on ebay - > worth every penny you spend as it is Dual capstan 3 head with nice > Nakamichi transport - which works for couple of Decades without any wear > > Or a full fledged ZX 7 sometimes you can get it for really nice price less > than 350 with additional Bias level calibration - fantastic sound > > also I should sugest a Thorens Td 165 you can get it around 100 -1504 range > - great turn table any MM cart will get you the sound you will never forget > Kannan > > > --- On *Sun, 9/26/10, Julie Kessler *wrote: > > > From: Julie Kessler > Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 3:30 PM > > Hi Guys, > > I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm > a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done > until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi > cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good > stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my > Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my > Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just > so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the > Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the > older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion > and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. > > So here's what I need to pick out: > > 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s > to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? > ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be > reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model > Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so > tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I > can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be > a pest and have to ask.) > > 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I > don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting > some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee > discounts are fun!). > > 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you > still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does > Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore > (other than eBay)? [Hope that's not too off topic!] > > Thanks for the advice! > > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 08:02:06 2010 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 01:02:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, definitely. I'd have to say that, while I've had good experiences in buying turntables on ebay, this appears to be the exception rather than the rule. If you're putting your first system together you might stick with local outfits, craigslist, classifieds, vintage audio resellers, etc rather than rolling the dice on ebay. -Tim On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Fred Longworth < classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Julie, > > I own a repair company in San Diego -- > > www.repairaudio.com > > I think you've made a wonderful choice to buy a Nak cassette deck. As far > as the turntable, Kannan's suggestion of a Thorens TD-165 is excellent. > However, DO NOT BUY A TURNTABLE ON EBAY. The attrition rate on quality > turntables (with heavy platters) on eBay is probably 50% or higher. Why? > Because the sellers seldom pack them correctly. It takes over an hour and > special packing techniques to ship a turntable properly. The eBay shipping > calculator, however, only covers the cost of jamming the turntable in a > carton with a bunch of peanuts. > > Also, a majority of sellers of used gear online either lie about the > condition of the gear or simply do not know enough to tell a fully working > set from one that needs major services. Expect that after you buy the Nak > you will need to pay someone to bring it back to spec. There are plenty of > folks on this site who service Naks to a very high level of performance. > > There are numerous decent CD players out there. I buy and sell a great > number of Sony CD players; however, I am generally impressed with gear from > NAD and Yamaha. > > Cassette decks and CD players are easy to ship -- and that's a good thing. > They are simple, rectangular boxes. They don't try to come apart during > transport. They are not super heavy. I buy many cassette decks and CD > players on eBay. I bat about 85% as far as units that arrive undamaged. As > for the other 15%, I am a merciless buyer. You screw up when you sell to me, > I want ALL my money back, and I want to keep the unit too -- for the > recycling bin. > > Always pay for stuff on eBay using Pay Pal. > > Fred Longworth > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > San Diego > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Julie Kessler < > juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Guys, >> >> I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm >> a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done >> until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi >> cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good >> stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my >> Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my >> Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just >> so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the >> Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the >> older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion >> and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. >> >> So here's what I need to pick out: >> >> 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite >> MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that >> true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I >> can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what >> model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 >> or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. >> (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not >> be a pest and have to ask.) >> >> 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I >> don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting >> some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee >> discounts are fun!). >> >> 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you >> still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does >> Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore >> (other than eBay)? 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URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 27 13:42:37 2010 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 04:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <571342.70470.qm@web180016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I recommend the CR-3A deck. It has the new gear idler instead of the rubber tire idler wheel, which wears out. So the only thing that needs replacing in this deck is the belts, and they last a long time. The sound is wonderful, I make perfect copies from CDs on mine. Copying MP3s to cassette can not improve the sound. You will get a perfect copy of the sound coming out of your mp3 player or computer. It won't be any better than the source. Nakamichi did make CD players, however the lasers only have a finite life and you may not be able to find a replacement when it goes. Better off to get a new one, like a Cambridge. Warren --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 3:30 PM Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of  Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace  amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? [Hope that's not too off topic!] Thanks for the advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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I used to have an excellent and cheap electronics repair guy locally, but he is closed down (despite ALWAYS having shop full of stuff to fix). You might want to go in cheap to see how much you like tapes before getting in deep. I had a CR-2 which sounded very good and made very nice tapes. Simple and reliable (had gear mech not rubber idler). There are lots of decks, just be patient and one will come around cheap, as long as you don't hold out for a Dragon, 1000, ZX9 etc. Rega, Pro-Ject, and Music Hall make a number of very nice, basic turntables for $300 or so with cart. Included. Definitely go with a new CD player, I had a Nak and NAD, both sounded good, but after a number of years they had problems playing newer disks and don't play MP3, CD-R etc. Many new CD players also have front USB inputs for iPods and MP3 players, very nice feature to have. Nakamichi also made some great Receivers, the TA and SA line, with STASIS amplifiers which sound terrific and are absolute steals at the prices they go for. You can also mate them with a separate preamp if you only want to use the amp section. Tuners are very good as well if you still listen to the radio. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrei_kho at hotmail.com Mon Sep 27 15:22:16 2010 From: andrei_kho at hotmail.com (andrei kho) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:22:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: References: , , <000c01cb5dbb$0d2ea7a0$278bf6e0$@utah.edu>, Message-ID: Hi Mark, Thank you for a very interesting survey of the Nakamichi CD players. Have you tried OMS-7A or OMS-7A II? I've read they are the best (or one of the best) of the Nak CD players; I wonder how they sound in comparison with the Nak OMS-1A, 2A and 3A. I'm asking this since I have a Nak TA-4A tuner-amplifier, Nak Cassette Deck 2 and I like Nakamichi sound a lot. However, my CD player is a Cambridge Audio Azur 650C and I'm wondering if vintage Nak CD players sound better with my other Nak gear. Did you have a chance to compare the Cambridge Audio 650C with the vintage Naks CD players? Thank you, Andrei From: mark8559 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:33:59 -0600 I've been through some 20 CD players. Without headphones, I found the OMS-1A, -2A, and -3A had no or little difference in quality Nakamichi sound. Also owned the OMS-5A and found the OMS-1A, -2A, and -3A beat the OMS-5A in sound. The Nak CD Player 2 (multi-disk music bank) also beat the OMS-5A in sound, but not the OMS-1A, -2A, and -3A. The only Nak CD player I kept was the OMS-1A which would be my advice to buy. It's great sound, simplicity, and wireless remote controllable. My advice only. Refuse to argue on the subject. Direct drive Technics turntables are nice and hopefully I'll get one on Ebay (seller I.D.: Sotaman05) next Sunday night. If you inherited or am about to inherit a lot of $$$$, then look for a Nak turntable. These days buy albums on Ebay. I'm having a hard time getting rid of my nice collection. Many are available for $4 (shipping included). From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:40:26 -0600 Julie, I would suggest finding a better source than mp3. The first Decks that comes to mind would be a BX300 or MR-1 for ease of use. A nice older make turn table( Denon or Technics) should be fine. I would make sure you get a brand new cartridge. A Shure M97 is a nice place to start. Not sure what CD player. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Julie Kessler Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:30 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? [Hope that's not too off topic!] Thanks for the advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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URL: From ken.ganfield at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 15:30:44 2010 From: ken.ganfield at gmail.com (Ken Ganfield) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:30:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: you also might want to think about a standalone DA converter On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Beckner, Derrick wrote: > Cassette decks are tricky, I’ve bought many online and almost without fail > there is something that doesn’t function properly.  I used to have an > excellent and cheap electronics repair guy locally, but he is closed down > (despite ALWAYS having shop full of stuff to fix). > > > > You might want to go in cheap to see how much you like tapes before getting > in deep.  I had a CR-2 which sounded very good and made very nice tapes. > Simple and reliable (had gear mech not rubber idler).  There are lots of > decks, just be patient and one will come around cheap, as long as you don’t > hold out for a Dragon, 1000, ZX9 etc. > > > > Rega, Pro-Ject, and Music Hall make a number of very nice, basic turntables > for $300 or so with cart. Included. > > > > Definitely go with a new CD player, I had a Nak and NAD, both sounded good, > but after a number of years they had problems playing newer disks and don’t > play MP3, CD-R etc.  Many new CD players also have front USB inputs for > iPods and MP3 players, very nice feature to have. > > > > Nakamichi also made some great Receivers, the TA and SA line, with STASIS > amplifiers which sound terrific and are absolute steals at the prices they > go for.  You can also mate them with a separate preamp if you only want to > use the amp section.  Tuners are very good as well if you still listen to > the radio. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. From dgb100 at psu.edu Mon Sep 27 16:28:49 2010 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:28:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: References: , , <000c01cb5dbb$0d2ea7a0$278bf6e0$@utah.edu>, Message-ID: There is a Dragon CD player on Audiogon right now for $2800 or so. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of andrei kho Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:22 AM To: naktalk at naks.com; mark8559 at hotmail.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Hi Mark, Thank you for a very interesting survey of the Nakamichi CD players. Have you tried OMS-7A or OMS-7A II? I've read they are the best (or one of the best) of the Nak CD players; I wonder how they sound in comparison with the Nak OMS-1A, 2A and 3A. I'm asking this since I have a Nak TA-4A tuner-amplifier, Nak Cassette Deck 2 and I like Nakamichi sound a lot. However, my CD player is a Cambridge Audio Azur 650C and I'm wondering if vintage Nak CD players sound better with my other Nak gear. Did you have a chance to compare the Cambridge Audio 650C with the vintage Naks CD players? Thank you, Andrei ________________________________ From: mark8559 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:33:59 -0600 I've been through some 20 CD players. Without headphones, I found the OMS-1A, -2A, and -3A had no or little difference in quality Nakamichi sound. Also owned the OMS-5A and found the OMS-1A, -2A, and -3A beat the OMS-5A in sound. The Nak CD Player 2 (multi-disk music bank) also beat the OMS-5A in sound, but not the OMS-1A, -2A, and -3A. The only Nak CD player I kept was the OMS-1A which would be my advice to buy. It's great sound, simplicity, and wireless remote controllable. My advice only. Refuse to argue on the subject. Direct drive Technics turntables are nice and hopefully I'll get one on Ebay (seller I.D.: Sotaman05) next Sunday night. If you inherited or am about to inherit a lot of $$$$, then look for a Nak turntable. These days buy albums on Ebay. I'm having a hard time getting rid of my nice collection. Many are available for $4 (shipping included). ________________________________ From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:40:26 -0600 Julie, I would suggest finding a better source than mp3. The first Decks that comes to mind would be a BX300 or MR-1 for ease of use. A nice older make turn table( Denon or Technics) should be fine. I would make sure you get a brand new cartridge. A Shure M97 is a nice place to start. Not sure what CD player. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Julie Kessler Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:30 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? [Hope that's not too off topic!] Thanks for the advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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URL: From jonathan at dogtime.com Mon Sep 27 20:12:21 2010 From: jonathan at dogtime.com (Jonathan Tuttle) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:12:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Message-ID: <60C10BC0-8AF1-494B-A65F-237913F4CB94@dogtime.com> Newbie here, new to Nakamichi but not to cassette decks. I bought a Nak 581 at an electronics recycler in very good condition. It had a few alignment issues and several very stiff components in the transport (old grease?), but I got them sorted out. The potentially fatal issue is that on of the channels is bad. I get good clear signal on the left channel and an active level meter, but loud hiss with a very low signal in the background on the right and a motionless meter. I've cleaned, demagnetized, and biased and aligned everything with no effect on the bad channel. A friend with more experience than I diagnosed it as a bad coil in the playback head. I've googled the part number but no luck. I've been using the part number from the service manual for the 582, since I've been unable to find the manual for the 581. I assume/hope they both use the same playback head. First, does the diagnosis sound accurate to you Nak/cassette gurus? Would my description match a bad playback head coil? Could it be something else? Tough question I know. Second. is there a good resource for Nakamichi parts that I'm missing? Used or new? I spent $15 bucks on the deck and I'm restricted to trying to fix it myself due to finances. Thanks, Jonathan From luis at peromarta.org Mon Sep 27 21:53:30 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:53:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: <60C10BC0-8AF1-494B-A65F-237913F4CB94@dogtime.com> References: <60C10BC0-8AF1-494B-A65F-237913F4CB94@dogtime.com> Message-ID: <5776D07F-729F-4B82-8876-B356AFA044C6@peromarta.org> Look for orange polypropylene caps around playback amp. Change with new plastic caps. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 27/09/2010, a las 20:12, Jonathan Tuttle escribió: > Newbie here, new to Nakamichi but not to cassette decks. I bought a Nak 581 at an electronics recycler in very good condition. It had a few alignment issues and several very stiff components in the transport (old grease?), but I got them sorted out. The potentially fatal issue is that on of the channels is bad. I get good clear signal on the left channel and an active level meter, but loud hiss with a very low signal in the background on the right and a motionless meter. I've cleaned, demagnetized, and biased and aligned everything with no effect on the bad channel. > > A friend with more experience than I diagnosed it as a bad coil in the playback head. I've googled the part number but no luck. I've been using the part number from the service manual for the 582, since I've been unable to find the manual for the 581. I assume/hope they both use the same playback head. > > First, does the diagnosis sound accurate to you Nak/cassette gurus? Would my description match a bad playback head coil? Could it be something else? Tough question I know. > > Second. is there a good resource for Nakamichi parts that I'm missing? Used or new? > > I spent $15 bucks on the deck and I'm restricted to trying to fix it myself due to finances. > > Thanks, > Jonathan > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 22:39:46 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: <60C10BC0-8AF1-494B-A65F-237913F4CB94@dogtime.com> Message-ID: <98404.54792.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Indeed, both the 581 and 582 use the same REC and PB heads. FYI, PB head P/N:     CA08127A REC head P/N:  CA08128A The fault suggested  by your friend is just one of quite a few other possible causes for the problem you are experiencing. To pinpoint the cause, the deck should be put on a bench and undergo thorough checks. I hope your friend did this. If not, -- and if you lack the means to rigorously diagnose -- try swapping leads on the suspect head (right at the head) and see whether the problem has moved to the left channel. If so, it is a strong indication that your friend is right. Good luck, -- Ron --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: From: Jonathan Tuttle Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 2:12 PM Newbie here, new to Nakamichi but not to cassette decks. I bought a Nak 581 at an electronics recycler in very good condition. It had a few alignment issues and several very stiff components in the transport (old grease?), but I got them sorted out. The potentially fatal issue is that on of the channels is bad. I get good clear signal on the left channel and an active level meter, but loud hiss with a very low signal in the background on the right and a motionless meter. I've cleaned, demagnetized, and biased and aligned everything with no effect on the bad channel. A friend with more experience than I diagnosed it as a bad coil in the playback head. I've googled the part number but no luck. I've been using the part number from the service manual for the 582, since I've been unable to find the manual for the 581. I assume/hope they both use the same playback head. First, does the diagnosis sound accurate to you Nak/cassette gurus? Would my description match a bad playback head coil? Could it be something else? Tough question I know. Second. is there a good resource for Nakamichi parts that I'm missing? Used or new? I spent $15 bucks on the deck and I'm restricted to trying to fix it myself due to finances. 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On mine, it sounds good on both channels with Dolby OUT. With Dolby IN or on MPX there is no output to the right channel. At first I thought the right channel was totally dead until I switched Dolby off. I'm still trying to track it down and we may have related problems. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:54 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Look for orange polypropylene caps around playback amp. Change with new plastic caps. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 27/09/2010, a las 20:12, Jonathan Tuttle escribió: grease?), but I got them sorted out. The potentially fatal issue is that on of the channels is bad. I get good clear signal on the left channel and an active level meter, but loud hiss with a very low signal in the background on the right and a motionless meter. I've cleaned, demagnetized, and biased and aligned everything with no effect on the bad channel. From jonathan at dogtime.com Mon Sep 27 22:49:01 2010 From: jonathan at dogtime.com (Jonathan Tuttle) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:49:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: <5776D07F-729F-4B82-8876-B356AFA044C6@peromarta.org> References: <60C10BC0-8AF1-494B-A65F-237913F4CB94@dogtime.com> <5776D07F-729F-4B82-8876-B356AFA044C6@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Hi Luis, Thanks for the tip! That sounds a lot cheaper than replacing the playback head! Jonathan On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > Look for orange polypropylene caps around playback amp. Change with new plastic caps. > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 27/09/2010, a las 20:12, Jonathan Tuttle escribió: > >> Newbie here, new to Nakamichi but not to cassette decks. I bought a Nak 581 at an electronics recycler in very good condition. It had a few alignment issues and several very stiff components in the transport (old grease?), but I got them sorted out. The potentially fatal issue is that on of the channels is bad. I get good clear signal on the left channel and an active level meter, but loud hiss with a very low signal in the background on the right and a motionless meter. I've cleaned, demagnetized, and biased and aligned everything with no effect on the bad channel. >> >> A friend with more experience than I diagnosed it as a bad coil in the playback head. I've googled the part number but no luck. I've been using the part number from the service manual for the 582, since I've been unable to find the manual for the 581. I assume/hope they both use the same playback head. >> >> First, does the diagnosis sound accurate to you Nak/cassette gurus? Would my description match a bad playback head coil? Could it be something else? Tough question I know. >> >> Second. is there a good resource for Nakamichi parts that I'm missing? 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I would plump for a GOOD 582Z three header, first off.. easily serviceable and repairable, great sound, but may be hard to find in which case a 580 2 head or 582 3 head also are great bangs for the buck. Then onto the LX-3 or LX-5. As always, condition is your primary guide. (The caveat here is that no matter what model.. if you are offered any Nak in good condition.. GRAB IT... you won't be disappointed.. the options above are a 'sound' preference) CD's.. Nakamichi's offer a great sound, a bit on the full side perhaps ...but the down side is they are getting old and technology has moved on quite a bit, whereas with the tape decks Nakamichi were ahead of the game. A new NAD or mid range Cambridge Audio probably be a better bet IMHO. Record player?.. I'd second, or is it third :o).. Kannan's suggestion of a Thorens TD165... and throw in a TD160 to the mix as well.... and they are relatively cheap to acquire. The factory fitted TP arm is a good start point for induction into the world of TT's, if not the prettiest piece of equipment, but easy to set up and use. Fit a good cartridge, set the sub chassis suspension up correctly, and the sound is exceptional especially for the outlay. I will differ on cartridge recommendation though, again for a warmer sound preference...fit a Denon high output Moving Coil, a DL110 or DL160 as budget allows.. both work well in Thorens TP arm. (The DL160 IS worth the extra $$ over the DL110). If you don't want the hassle of a suspended sub chassis turntable, then a Rega III with the RB300 arm is also a good start point, and again, one of the Denon cartridges above. Good luck, and let us know what 'kit' you end up with. cheers, Martin From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 00:39:16 2010 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:39:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] need service literature for Nakamichi RE-5 miniature receiver Message-ID: Weird power supply problem. Need prints. A schematic is really all we need. Thanks in advance for helping! Fred Frederick D. Longworth, Jr. MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan at dogtime.com Tue Sep 28 00:31:30 2010 From: jonathan at dogtime.com (Jonathan Tuttle) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:31:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: References: <60C10BC0-8AF1-494B-A65F-237913F4CB94@dogtime.com> <5776D07F-729F-4B82-8876-B356AFA044C6@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Hi Cheryl, It's the same through all the possible switching positions. One of the other guys on the thread suggested checking the orange film caps in the preamp. I'll be doing that this weekend and will let you know how it goes. Jonathan On Sep 27, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > I'm dealing with a similar problem on my 581 right now. > > Does it behave the same way whether Dolby is IN or OUT or on MPX? > > On mine, it sounds good on both channels with Dolby OUT. > With Dolby IN or on MPX there is no output to the right channel. > At first I thought the right channel was totally dead until I switched Dolby > off. > > I'm still trying to track it down and we may have related problems. > > Cheryl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Luis Peromarta Regert > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:54 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems > > Look for orange polypropylene caps around playback amp. Change with new > plastic caps. > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 27/09/2010, a las 20:12, Jonathan Tuttle escribió: > grease?), but I got them sorted out. The potentially fatal issue is that on > of the channels is bad. I get good clear signal on the left channel and an > active level meter, but loud hiss with a very low signal in the background > on the right and a motionless meter. I've cleaned, demagnetized, and biased > and aligned everything with no effect on the bad channel. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Jonathan Tuttle DogTime Media 415.830.9310 http://dogtime.com http://dogtimemedia.com Check out our newest Facebook app! http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am entertaining offers. I will be entertaining offers from any one on the list that wishes to make one. Please let me know if there is anyone here that wants one of these Jewels. I also have a TX-1000 turntable that may be up for grabs before long. but I would like to here what anyone may be willing to pay for one. I am just testing the water for the Turntable Thanks Roy Dean The Jukebox Junkyard P.O.Box 338 Lizella, Ga. USA 678-833-5749 WWW.jukeboxga.com Mon thru Fri 9-5 EST "Thats GMT- 4 for those of you across the Pond" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3163 - Release Date: 09/27/10 13:56:00 From jonathan at dogtime.com Tue Sep 28 00:32:56 2010 From: jonathan at dogtime.com (Jonathan Tuttle) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:32:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: <98404.54792.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <98404.54792.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good idea! I'll try it tonight. I'm hoping it'd the orange film cap problem as someone else suggested -- cheaper & easier to fix! On Sep 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Ron wrote: > > Indeed, both the 581 and 582 use the same REC and > PB heads. FYI, > > PB head P/N: CA08127A > REC head P/N: CA08128A > > The fault suggested by your friend is just one of quite > a few other possible causes for the problem you are > experiencing. To pinpoint the cause, the deck should > be put on a bench and undergo thorough checks. I > hope your friend did this. If not, -- and if you lack the > means to rigorously diagnose -- try swapping leads > on the suspect head (right at the head) and see > whether the problem has moved to the left channel. > If so, it is a strong indication that your friend is right. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: > > From: Jonathan Tuttle > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 2:12 PM > > Newbie here, new to Nakamichi but not to cassette decks. I bought a Nak 581 at an electronics recycler in very good condition. It had a few alignment issues and several very stiff components in the transport (old grease?), but I got them sorted out. The potentially fatal issue is that on of the channels is bad. I get good clear signal on the left channel and an active level meter, but loud hiss with a very low signal in the background on the right and a motionless meter. I've cleaned, demagnetized, and biased and aligned everything with no effect on the bad channel. > > A friend with more experience than I diagnosed it as a bad coil in the playback head. I've googled the part number but no luck. I've been using the part number from the service manual for the 582, since I've been unable to find the manual for the 581. I assume/hope they both use the same playback head. > > First, does the diagnosis sound accurate to you Nak/cassette gurus? Would my description match a bad playback head coil? Could it be something else? Tough question I know. > > Second. is there a good resource for Nakamichi parts that I'm missing? Used or new? > > I spent $15 bucks on the deck and I'm restricted to trying to fix it myself due to finances. > > Thanks, > Jonathan > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Jonathan Tuttle DogTime Media 415.830.9310 http://dogtime.com http://dogtimemedia.com Check out our newest Facebook app! http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan at dogtime.com Tue Sep 28 02:07:06 2010 From: jonathan at dogtime.com (Jonathan Tuttle) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:07:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: <1c66b4782fb571594f647fa0e7603c50.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> References: <201009271038.o8RAVwOc025075@zxe.naks.com> <1c66b4782fb571594f647fa0e7603c50.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: <14F4D147-D397-42FA-B057-07A15A4FC64C@dogtime.com> I can't comment on any of the Nakamichi gear as I've only owned a Nak for three days, but I would like to weigh in on the turntable choice. I had a Rega P2 with a Sumiko Blue Point #2 and a Grace tonearm. I ended up getting rid of it for a Systemdek with a Signet MC cart. The Signet is definitely sweeter sounding than the Sumiko, but I think the greatest difference came from the suspended platter in the Systemdek. I'm now a complete convert to springs. My price range is on the low side -- I think the Systemdek was $125 plus $50 for the NOS Signet cart. On Sep 27, 2010, at 3:19 PM, wrote: > Hi Julie, > > Well, this is one of those questions where you will get 64,000 different > answers!! > I'm also envious of you working with Kermit.. that 'sounds' like fun, pun > intended. > > First off the Cassette deck..... I'm am going to differ with most of the > prior suggestions!. I am going to do so on the grounds that you work with > Kermit and he has a fondness for the warmer sound of the older Nakamichi's > like the 600, and perhaps that is what you are currently listening to? > I would plump for a GOOD 582Z three header, first off.. easily serviceable > and repairable, great sound, but may be hard to find in which case a 580 2 > head or 582 3 head also are great bangs for the buck. Then onto the LX-3 > or LX-5. As always, condition is your primary guide. (The caveat here is > that no matter what model.. if you are offered any Nak in good condition.. > GRAB IT... you won't be disappointed.. the options above are a 'sound' > preference) > > CD's.. Nakamichi's offer a great sound, a bit on the full side perhaps > ...but the down side is they are getting old and technology has moved on > quite a bit, whereas with the tape decks Nakamichi were ahead of the game. > A new NAD or mid range Cambridge Audio probably be a better bet IMHO. > > Record player?.. I'd second, or is it third :o).. Kannan's suggestion of > a Thorens TD165... and throw in a TD160 to the mix as well.... and they > are relatively cheap to acquire. The factory fitted TP arm is a good start > point for induction into the world of TT's, if not the prettiest piece of > equipment, but easy to set up and use. Fit a good cartridge, set the sub > chassis suspension up correctly, and the sound is exceptional especially > for the outlay. I will differ on cartridge recommendation though, again > for a warmer sound preference...fit a Denon high output Moving Coil, a > DL110 or DL160 as budget allows.. both work well in Thorens TP arm. (The > DL160 IS worth the extra $$ over the DL110). If you don't want the hassle > of a suspended sub chassis turntable, then a Rega III with the RB300 arm > is also a good start point, and again, one of the Denon cartridges above. > > Good luck, and let us know what 'kit' you end up with. > > cheers, > > Martin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Jonathan Tuttle DogTime Media 415.830.9310 http://dogtime.com http://dogtimemedia.com Check out our newest Facebook app! http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Tue Sep 28 15:19:04 2010 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:19:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 91, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <201009281010.o8SA8NN1030165@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <201009281320.o8SDJIq5030588@zxe.naks.com> Good choices for the turntables (not "record player", please). I have a Music Hall 5.1 and it has worked flawlessly. Any of these would do great in your stereo. You can usually purchase old records from a vintage record/music shop but you generally will have to be in a good size metro area. Can also buy online, but I like to see the record first hand if buying used. No matter how good the pic, it does lie a bit. As for the CD player, Cambridge is another good choice. For the venturesome, the best sound is the old Sony Playstation 1, which I wrote about here a while back in the archives. Have fun and keep 'em spinning! Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:20:53 -0400 From: "Beckner, Derrick" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck To: "naktalk@ naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cassette decks are tricky, I've bought many online and almost without fail there is something that doesn't function properly. I used to have an excellent and cheap electronics repair guy locally, but he is closed down (despite ALWAYS having shop full of stuff to fix). You might want to go in cheap to see how much you like tapes before getting in deep. I had a CR-2 which sounded very good and made very nice tapes. Simple and reliable (had gear mech not rubber idler). There are lots of decks, just be patient and one will come around cheap, as long as you don't hold out for a Dragon, 1000, ZX9 etc. Rega, Pro-Ject, and Music Hall make a number of very nice, basic turntables for $300 or so with cart. Included. Definitely go with a new CD player, I had a Nak and NAD, both sounded good, but after a number of years they had problems playing newer disks and don't play MP3, CD-R etc. Many new CD players also have front USB inputs for iPods and MP3 players, very nice feature to have. Nakamichi also made some great Receivers, the TA and SA line, with STASIS amplifiers which sound terrific and are absolute steals at the prices they go for. You can also mate them with a separate preamp if you only want to use the amp section. Tuners are very good as well if you still listen to the radio. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20100927/4fc4b762/at tachment-0001.html From jonathan at dogtime.com Tue Sep 28 19:08:19 2010 From: jonathan at dogtime.com (Jonathan Tuttle) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:08:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Message-ID: Hey Luis, I have a bonehead question: I've traced the leads from the heads back to a molex connector on the big board, but I'm having a hard time figuring out where the playback amp is. I'm guessing the smaller board is the transport controller and the large board has the amp section on it somewhere. The parts list shows a section called "PB Eq. Amp." Is that what I'm looking for? It shows four film caps, C135 & C235, plus C139 & C239. There aren't that many orange film caps on the big board, so I could probably just replace all of them. The issue is only with the orange FILM caps, right? There are several orange electrolytics too. Thanks, Jonathan From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 20:34:53 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Luis download service manual from naktalk site- link in wiki pages shown below ( you can even use 582 service manual which is slightly differentbut usable) secondly do not try to replace all film caps as the problem may not be related to caps at all. Check the area of the problem ( I suspect you mentioned that Dolby on has the problem? if that is so Dolby in playback amp part is the area to trouble shoot- there should be some Orange caps in dolby area - replacing them on the Right channel if the problem is in Right channel will be the way to go ) this way you will locate the fault quickly and correct rather than shooting in the Dark Not all issues related to Orange Caps nor all cap problems are related to orange film caps click here - http://www.naks.com/wiki and read and spend time understanding some of the issues posted here kannan --- On Tue, 9/28/10, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: From: Jonathan Tuttle Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 1:08 PM Hey Luis, I have a bonehead question: I've traced the leads from the heads back to a molex connector on the big board, but I'm having a hard time figuring out where the playback amp is. I'm guessing the smaller board is the transport controller and the large board has the amp section on it somewhere. The parts list shows a section called "PB Eq. Amp." Is that what I'm looking for? It shows four film caps, C135 & C235, plus C139 & C239. There aren't that many orange film caps on the big board, so I could probably just replace all of them. The issue is only with the orange FILM caps, right? There are several orange electrolytics too. Thanks, Jonathan ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 20:37:11 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <824194.82202.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Read my reply to Jonathan you have to replace the Orange caps in Dolby area - most probable cause kannan --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 4:43 PM I'm dealing with a similar problem on my 581 right now. Does it behave the same way whether Dolby is IN or OUT or on MPX? On mine, it sounds good on both channels with Dolby OUT. With Dolby IN or on MPX there is no output to the right channel. At first I thought the right channel was totally dead until I switched Dolby off. I'm still trying to track it down and we may have related problems. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:54 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Look for orange polypropylene caps around playback amp. Change with new plastic caps. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 27/09/2010, a las 20:12, Jonathan Tuttle escribió: grease?), but I got them sorted out. The potentially fatal issue is that on of the channels is bad. I get good clear signal on the left channel and an active level meter, but loud hiss with a very low signal in the background on the right and a motionless meter. I've cleaned, demagnetized, and biased and aligned everything with no effect on the bad channel. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 28 21:58:54 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:58:54 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems References: <624571.92037.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm the one who mentioned Dolby. I thought my right channel was dead and then I turned off Dolby. When I did the right channel kicked back in. With Dolby in the IN or MPX positions there is no right channel on both playback and record. With Dolby in the OFF position there is output from the right channel on BOTH playing and recording. I asked Jonathan if he had checked it with Dolby OUT to see if his failure was just like mine. Since mine plays both channels just fine with Dolby OUT, I'm not so sure it is the playback amp in my case. It seems more related to the Dolby circuit for the right channel. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:35 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems Hi Luis download service manual from naktalk site- link in wiki pages shown below ( you can even use 582 service manual which is slightly differentbut usable) secondly do not try to replace all film caps as the problem may not be related to caps at all. Check the area of the problem ( I suspect you mentioned that Dolby on has the problem? if that is so Dolby in playback amp part is the area to trouble shoot- there should be some Orange caps in dolby area - replacing them on the Right channel if the problem is in Right channel will be the way to go ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 28 22:07:33 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:07:33 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: References: <60C10BC0-8AF1-494B-A65F-237913F4CB94@dogtime.com><5776D07F-729F-4B82-8876-B356AFA044C6@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Thanks Jonathan. We are having slightly different problems then. I'm headed for the Dolby section. Cheryl Hi Cheryl, It's the same through all the possible switching positions. One of the other guys on the thread suggested checking the orange film caps in the preamp. I'll be doing that this weekend and will let you know how it goes. Jonathan On Sep 27, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 23:56:50 2010 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <763183.47563.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>   HI Cheryl Yes there are couple of Orange Caps in Dolby area which causes this type of symptoms and problems. Replacing them will resolve this issue Orange caps fail in such areas normally ( dolby and bias osillator areas ) So go ahead and replace with preferably Wima polypropylene caps good luck in your effort Kannan   --- On Tue, 9/28/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 3:58 PM   I’m the one who mentioned Dolby.   I thought my right channel was dead and then I turned off Dolby. When I did the right channel kicked back in.   With Dolby in the IN or MPX positions there is no right channel on both playback and record.   With Dolby in the OFF position there is output from the right channel on BOTH playing and recording.   I asked Jonathan if he had checked it with Dolby OUT to see if his failure was just like mine.   Since mine plays both channels just fine with Dolby OUT, I’m not so sure it is the playback amp in my case. It seems more related to the Dolby circuit for the right channel.   Cheryl   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:35 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems   Hi Luis download service manual from naktalk site- link in wiki pages shown below ( you can even use 582 service manual which is slightly differentbut usable) secondly do not try to replace all film caps as the problem may not be related to caps at all. 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Replacing them will resolve this issue Orange caps fail in such areas normally ( dolby and bias osillator areas ) So go ahead and replace with preferably Wima polypropylene caps good luck in your effort Kannan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Sep 29 04:53:18 2010 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player In-Reply-To: <201009281017.o8SA8NN2030165@zxe.naks.com> References: <201009281017.o8SA8NN2030165@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <909049.49184.qm@web120713.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> OK this is weird/different and controversial all at once. And this is just an IDEA...one that I followed to a nice conclusion. Back in the day when the PlayStation was evolving and making a name for itself, they made a series of incredible, laser CD readers. The story goes that they did a ridiculous amount of R&D to come up with a bullet-proof reader. Thus, the SCH-1000 and 1001 were born. The SCH-1000 was mostly sold in Japan and had not only RCA out for audio, but S video out. Forget about that model (very rare), but concentrate on the SCH-1001 with RCA stereo out. These units have been compared favorably with CD players costing thousands. I did a LOT of research on the "audiophile tweaks" written about all over the Net for the PlayStation. The only two I deemed worthwhile were: custom made AC cord and a special fuse for the inside electronics....period. All totaled, about $75 worth of tweaks for a unit that cost me about $20 on ebay. Buy three or four and when you have trouble, switch out the custom power cord and fuse to the next unit. Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than unscrupulous sellers selling blue sky. Caveat: only this model, nothing else.....you'll learn to recognize it by the location of the reader, but go by model number above. Lots of units for sale out there by buyers who don't have a clue on their CD playback potential. You have to use a controller to make it work. I wasn't from this generation, so I feel quite ridiculous holding a game controller to advance, stop, go back etc with music tracks. There were wireless remotes for this unit, but I read they had a bad track record. Some sellers advertise new wireless controllers for the original PlayStation, but I was told they don't necessarily work in PS units this old. Kevin From: Julie Kessler Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 3:30 PM Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? 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Since I’m new to this, do you know what the specs are for those caps? > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:57 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems > > > HI Cheryl > Yes there are couple of Orange Caps in Dolby area which causes this type of symptoms and problems. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 29 20:16:30 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:16:30 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems In-Reply-To: <11E5F9C3-7DE7-4BFC-8EC5-2F4C3C811C8B@dogtime.com> References: <763183.47563.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <11E5F9C3-7DE7-4BFC-8EC5-2F4C3C811C8B@dogtime.com> Message-ID: Wow, thanks Jonathan! That's wonderful! Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Tuttle Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 7:11 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 581 Problems I just sent you a screen grab of the specs for all the orange caps in my 581. A few of them are a little different on the board than they're listed in the service manual, so I went with the service manual values. On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Thanks Kannan. Since I'm new to this, do you know what the specs are for those caps? 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I had some work done on the PA7 about 3/4 years ago, I have the work sheet, but both items are without problems. I would like to sell both of them for $750. If anyone is interested in them let me know. I have the original boxes and manuals. The PA7 is a beast, it weighs ~60lbs so shipping will not be inexpensive, just a heads-up, > > Thanks, Rich. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From richgarrad at gmail.com Wed Sep 29 23:30:18 2010 From: richgarrad at gmail.com (Richard Garrad) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:30:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I have things for sale. In-Reply-To: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org> References: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org> Message-ID: They are...Luis I am a neophyte at this sort of thing...how would you like to proceed? On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > I am interested. Are they dual voltage? > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 29/09/2010, a las 20:09, Richard Garrad > escribió: > > > I hope this is OK. I have two Nakamichi products that I would like to > sell and I wanted to see if there was interest on the list. I purchased a > CA5 control amplifier and a PA7 power amplifier in 1985. I have owned them > since, I am the only user of these items. They are pretty much pristine on > the outside (small scratch on the top of the CA5) and are in great working > condition. I had some work done on the PA7 about 3/4 years ago, I have the > work sheet, but both items are without problems. I would like to sell both > of them for $750. 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 04:52:31 2010 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:52:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: <14F4D147-D397-42FA-B057-07A15A4FC64C@dogtime.com> References: <201009271038.o8RAVwOc025075@zxe.naks.com> <1c66b4782fb571594f647fa0e7603c50.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> <14F4D147-D397-42FA-B057-07A15A4FC64C@dogtime.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Wow, thanks for all the great advice. You gave me a lot to think about and I needed to re-read everything a few times before I replied. I'm shopping for some Nakamichi decks and as I write this I'm adding several to my eBay watch list. One idea I kind of like is getting a 600 because I'm already used to working those, and if it has a problem with it getting somebody here to fix it will be no problem. We have so many Nakamichi 600's in the studio, it seems like every time you turn around there's a 600 looking at you! I had one ask me to go get it a fresh cup of coffee. (That's what we interns do, right? Get the coffee! LOL!) Nakamichi 600's do test mixes, make test recordings, record sound samples for the web site, and are part of A/B tests of the equipment we make. They're real workhorses! But I also like the look of the LX-5 and some of the CR-? cassette decks. I do feel really lucky to be one of Kermit's interns! I've worked for three other recording studios, and this one is the best. Kermit's really easy to work with, always teaching and if you make a mistake you don't get yelled at. And, the engineering staff doesn't mind us interns hanging around. At the other studios the engineers always made me feel like I was in the way. I agree that MP3s aren't great sounding, but you know, the reason almost all my music is on MP3s is because of the studios I've worked at before joining Kermit's company. Listening to the mix from the studio monitors and then listening to the MP3 encode I really didn't hear much of a difference, so it made sense to save money and buy the MP3s. I guess that says a lot about those studios! But now I'm working at a studio where you hear the master tape and it's hard to tell it's not live, then you hear an MP3 and it's lifeless and harsh and nothing like the master tape. Honestly, I never knew recorded music could sound like live music! (One thing I've noticed is that Kermit has a really, really different approach to recording than what I've seen in other studios. Wow, I could tell you some amazing stories!) So, the MP3 have got to go! And so does the Bose Wave Radio! But it's going to take a while to replace all my MP3's with CD's and LP's. I think I'll probably get that Shure M97 cartridge. We have several Shure cartridges in the studio and they all great. the M95ED and V-15 Type II, I think. There seems to be a consensus that Thorens and Rega are great record players. Oh, this is a little off topic, but the studio is selling off some of its equipment and I was wondering if any of these would be good choices for a turntable: Bang & Olufsen Beogram 1900 Bang & Olufsen Beogram 4000 Dual 1009-SK Dual 1214 Dual 1218 Rega Planar 3 Technics SL-1200 Yamaha YP-211 Thanks again for all the awesome advice. I might have to ask some more questions later! On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: > I can't comment on any of the Nakamichi gear as I've only owned a Nak for > three days, but I would like to weigh in on the turntable choice. I had a > Rega P2 with a Sumiko Blue Point #2 and a Grace tonearm. I ended up getting > rid of it for a Systemdek with a Signet MC cart. The Signet is definitely > sweeter sounding than the Sumiko, but I think the greatest difference came > from the suspended platter in the Systemdek. I'm now a complete convert to > springs. My price range is on the low side -- I think the Systemdek was $125 > plus $50 for the NOS Signet cart. > > On Sep 27, 2010, at 3:19 PM, < > shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz> wrote: > > Hi Julie, > > Well, this is one of those questions where you will get 64,000 different > answers!! > I'm also envious of you working with Kermit.. that 'sounds' like fun, pun > intended. > > First off the Cassette deck..... I'm am going to differ with most of the > prior suggestions!. I am going to do so on the grounds that you work with > Kermit and he has a fondness for the warmer sound of the older Nakamichi's > like the 600, and perhaps that is what you are currently listening to? > I would plump for a GOOD 582Z three header, first off.. easily serviceable > and repairable, great sound, but may be hard to find in which case a 580 2 > head or 582 3 head also are great bangs for the buck. Then onto the LX-3 > or LX-5. As always, condition is your primary guide. (The caveat here is > that no matter what model.. if you are offered any Nak in good condition.. > GRAB IT... you won't be disappointed.. the options above are a 'sound' > preference) > > CD's.. Nakamichi's offer a great sound, a bit on the full side perhaps > ...but the down side is they are getting old and technology has moved on > quite a bit, whereas with the tape decks Nakamichi were ahead of the game. > A new NAD or mid range Cambridge Audio probably be a better bet IMHO. > > Record player?.. I'd second, or is it third :o).. Kannan's suggestion of > a Thorens TD165... and throw in a TD160 to the mix as well.... and they > are relatively cheap to acquire. The factory fitted TP arm is a good start > point for induction into the world of TT's, if not the prettiest piece of > equipment, but easy to set up and use. Fit a good cartridge, set the sub > chassis suspension up correctly, and the sound is exceptional especially > for the outlay. I will differ on cartridge recommendation though, again > for a warmer sound preference...fit a Denon high output Moving Coil, a > DL110 or DL160 as budget allows.. both work well in Thorens TP arm. (The > DL160 IS worth the extra $$ over the DL110). If you don't want the hassle > of a suspended sub chassis turntable, then a Rega III with the RB300 arm > is also a good start point, and again, one of the Denon cartridges above. > > Good luck, and let us know what 'kit' you end up with. > > cheers, > > Martin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > *Jonathan Tuttle > *DogTime Media > 415.830.9310 > *http://dogtime.com > http://dogtimemedia.com* > * > **Check out our newest Facebook app!* > *http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/* > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Sep 30 07:35:18 2010 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:35:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I have things for sale. In-Reply-To: References: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <5D2F57DB-2969-4C91-8C78-535500B74095@peromarta.org> How shall I pay you? Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 29/09/2010, a las 23:30, Richard Garrad escribió: > They are...Luis I am a neophyte at this sort of thing...how would you like to proceed? > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > I am interested. Are they dual voltage? > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 29/09/2010, a las 20:09, Richard Garrad escribió: > > > I hope this is OK. I have two Nakamichi products that I would like to sell and I wanted to see if there was interest on the list. I purchased a CA5 control amplifier and a PA7 power amplifier in 1985. I have owned them since, I am the only user of these items. They are pretty much pristine on the outside (small scratch on the top of the CA5) and are in great working condition. I had some work done on the PA7 about 3/4 years ago, I have the work sheet, but both items are without problems. I would like to sell both of them for $750. If anyone is interested in them let me know. I have the original boxes and manuals. The PA7 is a beast, it weighs ~60lbs so shipping will not be inexpensive, just a heads-up, > > > > Thanks, Rich. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 30 03:35:24 2010 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:35:24 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Nak alignment In-Reply-To: References: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Thought I'd share the alignment nightmare on my 581. We moved to Hawaii and the unit was boxed for almost 5 years because we had no place to set up my gear in our little house. We finally added a room and got it mostly finished a few months ago. I set up my gear at that point and of course had all kinds of problems. One of the first was the cassette door was stuck on my 581. And naturally, I just pushed the eject button a little harder. I actually heard it when the plastic cable holder broke. So, off comes the 581 case as I track down the path of the cable and decide what to do. Shamefully, JB Weld became my temporary fix (that will get fixed properly later on). But the worst thing that happened was that I somehow knocked off the adjustment screw for the left tape guide in the process. I never could find the original in spite of hours of searching, so I found a regular nut and managed to get it on the fitting. I got the nut on too tight and then decided to screw with the "do NOT adjust screws" to try and correct the tape path. I actually managed to get it to sound reasonably good but never did try to record anything in this condition. Since I live in Hawaii, it is really expensive to ship this gear to the mainland and back for repairs so I started searching for alternatives. I was eyeing a CR-7A on ebay that Willy Herman had posted but wasn't home when the auction ended and I did not win it. But in the process of communicating with Willy about the CR-7A or another potential "new" Nak, I told him about my fiasco with the tape guide nut and alignment nightmare. I ended up buying one of Willy's cassette gauges (and a terrific 682ZX) and the tool has been a Nak saver. Other than my right channel Dolby problem, my 581 is now aligned and sounding great thanks to this handy tool. Anyone who tinkers with their Naks really ought to have one. http://www.willyhermannservices.com/index_files/Gauge.htm I also decided I needed a parts deck for my 581 so I bought a non-working 580 off ebay for $24 plus $32 parcel post shipping. The nice surprises were that it turned out to be a 582, not a 580, and it only took about 10 minutes to do a quick cleanup and a gear assist and get it working. It's working flawlessly now and the 581 alignment nightmare resulted in me owning 3 Naks (one for each surround sound system and one for the stereo gear) and a nifty tool. I couldn't have fixed my alignment problem without Willy's "Cassette Gauge". Aloha, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 08:11:04 2010 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 01:11:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: References: <201009271038.o8RAVwOc025075@zxe.naks.com> <1c66b4782fb571594f647fa0e7603c50.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> <14F4D147-D397-42FA-B057-07A15A4FC64C@dogtime.com> Message-ID: Don't let anyone give you flack for owning Bose - everyone does it at least once. It was just so hard to deny Paul Harvey. I had some Bose speakers way back too. It's like we who have owned Bose equipment eventually end up saying: "no highs no lows: must be Bose" :-) Dual and Rega I can vouch for, in fact having Kermit go over my Dual 1019 is still on my wish list ... You also really can't go wrong with the Technics, that is the DJ workhorse turntable and it is an awesome starter TT too. -Tim On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Julie Kessler < juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > Wow, thanks for all the great advice. You gave me a lot to think about and > I needed to re-read everything a few times before I replied. I'm shopping > for some Nakamichi decks and as I write this I'm adding several to my eBay > watch list. One idea I kind of like is getting a 600 because I'm already > used to working those, and if it has a problem with it getting somebody here > to fix it will be no problem. We have so many Nakamichi 600's in the studio, > it seems like every time you turn around there's a 600 looking at you! I had > one ask me to go get it a fresh cup of coffee. (That's what we interns do, > right? Get the coffee! LOL!) Nakamichi 600's do test mixes, make test > recordings, record sound samples for the web site, and are part of A/B tests > of the equipment we make. They're real workhorses! But I also like the look > of the LX-5 and some of the CR-? cassette decks. > > I do feel really lucky to be one of Kermit's interns! I've worked for three > other recording studios, and this one is the best. Kermit's really easy to > work with, always teaching and if you make a mistake you don't get yelled > at. And, the engineering staff doesn't mind us interns hanging around. At > the other studios the engineers always made me feel like I was in the way. > > I agree that MP3s aren't great sounding, but you know, the reason almost > all my music is on MP3s is because of the studios I've worked at before > joining Kermit's company. Listening to the mix from the studio monitors and > then listening to the MP3 encode I really didn't hear much of a difference, > so it made sense to save money and buy the MP3s. I guess that says a lot > about those studios! But now I'm working at a studio where you hear the > master tape and it's hard to tell it's not live, then you hear an MP3 and > it's lifeless and harsh and nothing like the master tape. Honestly, I never > knew recorded music could sound like live music! (One thing I've noticed is > that Kermit has a really, really different approach to recording than what > I've seen in other studios. Wow, I could tell you some amazing stories!) So, > the MP3 have got to go! And so does the Bose Wave Radio! > > But it's going to take a while to replace all my MP3's with CD's and LP's. > > I think I'll probably get that Shure M97 cartridge. We have several Shure > cartridges in the studio and they all great. the M95ED and V-15 Type II, I > think. There seems to be a consensus that Thorens and Rega are great record > players. > > Oh, this is a little off topic, but the studio is selling off some of its > equipment and I was wondering if any of these would be good choices for a > turntable: > Bang & Olufsen Beogram 1900 > Bang & Olufsen Beogram 4000 > Dual 1009-SK > Dual 1214 > Dual 1218 > Rega Planar 3 > Technics SL-1200 > Yamaha YP-211 > > Thanks again for all the awesome advice. I might have to ask some more > questions later! > > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Jonathan Tuttle wrote: > >> I can't comment on any of the Nakamichi gear as I've only owned a Nak for >> three days, but I would like to weigh in on the turntable choice. I had a >> Rega P2 with a Sumiko Blue Point #2 and a Grace tonearm. I ended up getting >> rid of it for a Systemdek with a Signet MC cart. The Signet is definitely >> sweeter sounding than the Sumiko, but I think the greatest difference came >> from the suspended platter in the Systemdek. I'm now a complete convert to >> springs. My price range is on the low side -- I think the Systemdek was $125 >> plus $50 for the NOS Signet cart. >> >> On Sep 27, 2010, at 3:19 PM, < >> shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz> wrote: >> >> Hi Julie, >> >> Well, this is one of those questions where you will get 64,000 different >> answers!! >> I'm also envious of you working with Kermit.. that 'sounds' like fun, pun >> intended. >> >> First off the Cassette deck..... I'm am going to differ with most of the >> prior suggestions!. I am going to do so on the grounds that you work with >> Kermit and he has a fondness for the warmer sound of the older Nakamichi's >> like the 600, and perhaps that is what you are currently listening to? >> I would plump for a GOOD 582Z three header, first off.. easily serviceable >> and repairable, great sound, but may be hard to find in which case a 580 2 >> head or 582 3 head also are great bangs for the buck. Then onto the LX-3 >> or LX-5. As always, condition is your primary guide. (The caveat here is >> that no matter what model.. if you are offered any Nak in good condition.. >> GRAB IT... you won't be disappointed.. the options above are a 'sound' >> preference) >> >> CD's.. Nakamichi's offer a great sound, a bit on the full side perhaps >> ...but the down side is they are getting old and technology has moved on >> quite a bit, whereas with the tape decks Nakamichi were ahead of the game. >> A new NAD or mid range Cambridge Audio probably be a better bet IMHO. >> >> Record player?.. I'd second, or is it third :o).. Kannan's suggestion of >> a Thorens TD165... and throw in a TD160 to the mix as well.... and they >> are relatively cheap to acquire. The factory fitted TP arm is a good start >> point for induction into the world of TT's, if not the prettiest piece of >> equipment, but easy to set up and use. Fit a good cartridge, set the sub >> chassis suspension up correctly, and the sound is exceptional especially >> for the outlay. I will differ on cartridge recommendation though, again >> for a warmer sound preference...fit a Denon high output Moving Coil, a >> DL110 or DL160 as budget allows.. both work well in Thorens TP arm. (The >> DL160 IS worth the extra $$ over the DL110). If you don't want the hassle >> of a suspended sub chassis turntable, then a Rega III with the RB300 arm >> is also a good start point, and again, one of the Denon cartridges above. >> >> Good luck, and let us know what 'kit' you end up with. >> >> cheers, >> >> Martin >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> *Jonathan Tuttle >> *DogTime Media >> 415.830.9310 >> *http://dogtime.com >> http://dogtimemedia.com* >> * >> **Check out our newest Facebook app!* >> *http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/* >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken.ganfield at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 10:08:16 2010 From: ken.ganfield at gmail.com (Ken Ganfield) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:08:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: References: <201009271038.o8RAVwOc025075@zxe.naks.com> <1c66b4782fb571594f647fa0e7603c50.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> <14F4D147-D397-42FA-B057-07A15A4FC64C@dogtime.com> Message-ID: My vote would be for the Planar 3. I am completely satisfied with mine (except when i want to play a 45, which is not that often really) On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Julie Kessler wrote: > Hi All, > > Wow, thanks for all the great advice. You gave me a lot to think about and I > needed to re-read everything a few times before I replied. I'm shopping for > some Nakamichi decks and as I write this I'm adding several to my eBay watch > list. One idea I kind of like is getting a 600 because I'm already used to > working those, and if it has a problem with it getting somebody here to fix > it will be no problem. We have so many Nakamichi 600's in the studio, it > seems like every time you turn around there's a 600 looking at you! I had > one ask me to go get it a fresh cup of coffee. (That's what we interns do, > right? Get the coffee! LOL!) Nakamichi 600's do test mixes, make test > recordings, record sound samples for the web site, and are part of A/B tests > of the equipment we make. They're real workhorses! But I also like the look > of the LX-5 and some of the CR-? cassette decks. > > I do feel really lucky to be one of Kermit's interns! I've worked for three > other recording studios, and this one is the best. Kermit's really easy to > work with, always teaching and if you make a mistake you don't get yelled > at. And, the engineering staff doesn't mind us interns hanging around. At > the other studios the engineers always made me feel like I was in the way. > > I agree that MP3s aren't great sounding, but you know, the reason almost all > my music is on MP3s is because of the studios I've worked at before joining > Kermit's company. Listening to the mix from the studio monitors and then > listening to the MP3 encode I really didn't hear much of a difference, so it > made sense to save money and buy the MP3s. I guess that says a lot about > those studios! But now I'm working at a studio where you hear the master > tape and it's hard to tell it's not live, then you hear an MP3 and it's > lifeless and harsh and nothing like the master tape. Honestly, I never knew > recorded music could sound like live music! (One thing I've noticed is that > Kermit has a really, really  different approach to recording than what I've > seen in other studios. Wow, I could tell you some amazing stories!) So, the > MP3 have got to go! And so does the Bose Wave Radio! > > But it's going to take a while to replace all my MP3's with CD's and LP's. > > I think I'll probably get that Shure M97 cartridge. We have several Shure > cartridges in the studio and they all great. the M95ED and V-15 Type II, I > think. There seems to be a consensus that Thorens and Rega are great record > players. > > Oh, this is  a little off topic, but the studio is selling off some of its > equipment and I was wondering if any of these would be good choices for a > turntable: >     Bang & Olufsen Beogram 1900 >     Bang & Olufsen Beogram 4000 >     Dual 1009-SK >     Dual 1214 >     Dual 1218 >     Rega Planar 3 >     Technics SL-1200 >     Yamaha YP-211 > > Thanks again for all the awesome advice. I might have to ask some more > questions later! > > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Jonathan Tuttle > wrote: >> >> I can't comment on any of the Nakamichi gear as I've only owned a Nak for >> three days, but I would like to weigh in on the turntable choice. I had a >> Rega P2 with a Sumiko Blue Point #2 and a Grace tonearm. I ended up getting >> rid of it for a Systemdek with a Signet MC cart. The Signet is definitely >> sweeter sounding than the Sumiko, but I think the greatest difference came >> from the suspended platter in the Systemdek. I'm now a complete convert to >> springs. My price range is on the low side -- I think the Systemdek was $125 >> plus $50 for the NOS Signet cart. >> On Sep 27, 2010, at 3:19 PM, >> wrote: >> >> Hi Julie, >> >> Well, this is one of those questions where you will get 64,000 different >> answers!! >> I'm also envious of you working with Kermit.. that 'sounds' like fun, pun >> intended. >> >> First off the Cassette deck..... I'm am going to differ with most of the >> prior suggestions!.  I am going to do so on the grounds that you work with >> Kermit and he has a fondness for the warmer sound of the older Nakamichi's >> like the 600, and perhaps that is what you are currently listening to? >> I would plump for a GOOD 582Z three header, first off.. easily serviceable >> and repairable, great sound, but may be hard to find in which case a 580 2 >> head or 582 3 head  also are great bangs for the buck. Then onto the LX-3 >> or LX-5. As always, condition is your primary guide. (The caveat here is >> that no matter what model.. if you are offered any Nak in good condition.. >> GRAB IT... you won't be disappointed.. the options above are a 'sound' >> preference) >> >> CD's..  Nakamichi's  offer a great sound, a bit on the full side perhaps >> ...but the down side is they are getting old and technology has moved on >> quite a bit, whereas with the tape decks Nakamichi were ahead of the game. >> A new NAD or mid range Cambridge Audio probably be a better bet IMHO. >> >> Record player?.. I'd second, or is it third  :o).. Kannan's suggestion of >> a Thorens TD165... and throw in a TD160 to the mix as well.... and they >> are relatively cheap to acquire. The factory fitted TP arm is a good start >> point for induction into the world of TT's, if not the prettiest piece of >> equipment, but easy to set up and use. Fit a good cartridge, set the sub >> chassis suspension up correctly,  and the sound is exceptional especially >> for the outlay. I will differ on cartridge recommendation though, again >> for a warmer sound preference...fit a Denon high output Moving Coil, a >> DL110 or DL160 as budget allows.. both work well in  Thorens TP arm. (The >> DL160 IS worth the extra $$ over the DL110). If you don't want the hassle >> of a suspended sub chassis turntable, then a Rega III with the RB300 arm >> is also a good start point, and again, one of the Denon cartridges above. >> >> Good luck, and let us know what 'kit' you end up with. >> >> cheers, >> >> Martin >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> Jonathan Tuttle >> DogTime Media >> 415.830.9310 >> http://dogtime.com >> http://dogtimemedia.com >> Check out our newest Facebook app! >> http://apps.facebook.com/save-a-dog/ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 30 14:35:55 2010 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:35:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: <201009301010.o8UA8QnR007410@zxe.naks.com> References: <201009301010.o8UA8QnR007410@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4CA4842B.2050109@sbcglobal.net> On 9/30/2010 5:10 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:52:31 -0500 > From: Julie Kessler > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Oh, this is a little off topic, but the studio is selling off some of its > equipment and I was wondering if any of these would be good choices for a > turntable: > Bang& Olufsen Beogram 1900 > Bang& Olufsen Beogram 4000 > Dual 1009-SK > Dual 1214 > Dual 1218 > Rega Planar 3 > Technics SL-1200 > Yamaha YP-211 > > Thanks again for all the awesome advice. I might have to ask some more > questions later! > > > Hi Julie, By all means see what they want for the Rega Planar 3! An excellent table with a very nice arm. It was always the first table I recommended to friends wanting to get back into vinyl, but has become a little too expensive lately to recommend anymore. I have listened to it many times and it just makes wonderful music if set up properly and is in good condition. Like any table. It is the tonearm that makes that table special and they are very easy to resale if you decide to move up or out of vinyl. How much do they want? What color? Some are very brightly colored. I like that myself. Ken From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 20:39:00 2010 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:39:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: <4CA4842B.2050109@sbcglobal.net> References: <201009301010.o8UA8QnR007410@zxe.naks.com> <4CA4842B.2050109@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I would be interested in Bang & Olufsen Beogram 4000 if you don't decide to buy it. Fergus On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote: >  On 9/30/2010 5:10 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:52:31 -0500 >> From: Julie Kessler >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >>         >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Oh, this is  a little off topic, but the studio is selling off some of its >> equipment and I was wondering if any of these would be good choices for a >> turntable: >>     Bang&  Olufsen Beogram 1900 >>     Bang&  Olufsen Beogram 4000 >>     Dual 1009-SK >>     Dual 1214 >>     Dual 1218 >>     Rega Planar 3 >>     Technics SL-1200 >>     Yamaha YP-211 >> >> Thanks again for all the awesome advice. I might have to ask some more >> questions later! >> >> >> > Hi Julie, >  By all means see what they want for the Rega Planar 3! An excellent table > with a very nice arm. It was always the first table I recommended > to friends wanting to get back into vinyl, but has become a little too > expensive lately to recommend anymore. I have listened to it many times and > it just makes wonderful music if set up properly and is in good condition. > Like any table. It is the tonearm that makes that table special and they are > very easy to resale if you decide to move up or out of vinyl. > > How much do they want?  What color? Some are very brightly colored. I like > that myself. > > Ken > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jonathan at dogtime.com Thu Sep 30 21:26:58 2010 From: jonathan at dogtime.com (Jonathan Tuttle) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:26:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Nak alignment In-Reply-To: References: <6B388EA7-42C5-40F9-949B-82BF73439DAC@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <38C77A9B-1B99-4468-8FAB-9270D874BD86@dogtime.com> Oh boy, I can hardly wait! In trying to solve my bad channel problem on my 581, I went crazy adjusting stuff. OF COURSE I futzed with the playback head alignment. I really have to learn to read the directions before I start. I may be buying that alignment tool too. How much was it? On Sep 29, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > Thought I’d share the alignment nightmare on my 581. > > We moved to Hawaii and the unit was boxed for almost 5 years because we had no place to set up my gear in our little house. We finally added a room and got it mostly finished a few months ago. I set up my gear at that point and of course had all kinds of problems. One of the first was the cassette door was stuck on my 581. And naturally, I just pushed the eject button a little harder. I actually heard it when the plastic cable holder broke… > > So, off comes the 581 case as I track down the path of the cable and decide what to do. Shamefully, JB Weld became my temporary fix (that will get fixed properly later on). But the worst thing that happened was that I somehow knocked off the adjustment screw for the left tape guide in the process. I never could find the original in spite of hours of searching, so I found a regular nut and managed to get it on the fitting. I got the nut on too tight and then decided to screw with the “do NOT adjust screws” to try and correct the tape path. I actually managed to get it to sound reasonably good but never did try to record anything in this condition. Since I live in Hawaii, it is really expensive to ship this gear to the mainland and back for repairs so I started searching for alternatives. > > I was eyeing a CR-7A on ebay that Willy Herman had posted but wasn’t home when the auction ended and I did not win it. But in the process of communicating with Willy about the CR-7A or another potential “new” Nak, I told him about my fiasco with the tape guide nut and alignment nightmare. I ended up buying one of Willy’s cassette gauges (and a terrific 682ZX) and the tool has been a Nak saver. Other than my right channel Dolby problem, my 581 is now aligned and sounding great thanks to this handy tool. Anyone who tinkers with their Naks really ought to have one. > > http://www.willyhermannservices.com/index_files/Gauge.htm > > I also decided I needed a parts deck for my 581 so I bought a non-working 580 off ebay for $24 plus $32 parcel post shipping. The nice surprises were that it turned out to be a 582, not a 580, and it only took about 10 minutes to do a quick cleanup and a gear assist and get it working. It’s working flawlessly now and the 581 alignment nightmare resulted in me owning 3 Naks (one for each surround sound system and one for the stereo gear) and a nifty tool. 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This was an interesting reading, so I went googling and unfortunately found at http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/1388/playstation-1-cd-player-audiophile-review-from-stereophile: "One interesting find from the testing was that "the overall noise floor is up to 15dB higher than that of a good inexpensive CD player". The basic conclusion seemed to be that the sound so many appear to enjoy from the PlayStation 1 is more than likely due to its distortion. One thing they didn't mention is that there is a $6,000 tube CD player that currently uses the PlayStation as a platform, the DynaStation CD Player. Some food for thought." I thought it may be if interest to someone. Raffaele -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 23:19:14 2010 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player In-Reply-To: <909049.49184.qm@web120713.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <929304.88241.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than unscrupulous > sellers selling blue sky. The same goes for those two tweaks you did like. The line cord and fuse are worthless (except for the seller). Seventy bucks? You should have taken your money and gone out for a nice sushi dinner in a good restaurant.     :-). -- Ron --- On Tue, 9/28/10, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re:Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck/OT CD player To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 10:53 PM OK this is weird/different and controversial all at once. And this is just an IDEA...one that I followed to a nice conclusion. Back in the day when the PlayStation was evolving and making a name for itself, they made a series of incredible, laser CD readers. The story goes that they did a ridiculous amount of R&D to come up with a bullet-proof reader. Thus, the SCH-1000 and 1001 were born. The SCH-1000 was mostly sold in Japan and had not only RCA out for audio, but S video out. Forget about that model (very rare), but concentrate on the SCH-1001 with RCA stereo out. These units have been compared favorably with CD players costing thousands. I did a LOT of research on the "audiophile tweaks" written about all over the Net for the PlayStation. The only two I deemed worthwhile were: custom made AC cord and a special fuse for the inside electronics....period. All totaled, about $75 worth of tweaks for a unit that cost me about $20 on ebay. Buy three or four and when you have trouble, switch out the custom power cord and fuse to the next unit. Don't pay more for "audio" models...they're nothing more than unscrupulous sellers selling blue sky. Caveat: only this model, nothing else.....you'll learn to recognize it by the location of the reader, but go by model number above. Lots of units for sale out there by buyers who don't have a clue on their CD playback potential. You have to use a controller to make it work. I wasn't from this generation, so I feel quite ridiculous holding a game controller to advance, stop, go back etc with music tracks. There were wireless  remotes for this unit, but I read they had a bad track record. Some sellers advertise new wireless controllers for the original PlayStation, but I was told they don't necessarily work in PS units this old. Kevin  From: Julie Kessler Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 3:30 PM Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm a newbie to the world of  Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. So here's what I need to pick out: 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not be a pest and have to ask.) 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace  amps and speakers, because I'm getting some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee discounts are fun!). 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore (other than eBay)? 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Fergus On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote: >  On 9/30/2010 5:10 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:52:31 -0500 >> From: Julie Kessler >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >>         >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Oh, this is  a little off topic, but the studio is selling off some of its >> equipment and I was wondering if any of these would be good choices for a >> turntable: >>     Bang&  Olufsen Beogram 1900 >>     Bang&  Olufsen Beogram 4000 >>     Dual 1009-SK >>     Dual 1214 >>     Dual 1218 >>     Rega Planar 3 >>     Technics SL-1200 >>     Yamaha YP-211 >> >> Thanks again for all the awesome advice. I might have to ask some more >> questions later! >> >> >> > Hi Julie, >  By all means see what they want for the Rega Planar 3! An excellent table > with a very nice arm. It was always the first table I recommended > to friends wanting to get back into vinyl, but has become a little too > expensive lately to recommend anymore. I have listened to it many times and > it just makes wonderful music if set up properly and is in good condition. > Like any table. It is the tonearm that makes that table special and they are > very easy to resale if you decide to move up or out of vinyl. > > How much do they want?  What color? Some are very brightly colored. 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URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 23:39:46 2010 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:39:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck In-Reply-To: References: <000c01cb5dbb$0d2ea7a0$278bf6e0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Thanks for the cartridge recommendation. I've been wondering what to use with my Pioneer turntable. I'l give one of these a try. Fergus On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Tim Skorick wrote: > Julie, > > First off, I'm envious that you get to work for a brilliant engineer like > Kermit.  That's a heck of an opportunity and I hope you make the most of it > :-) > > If most of your music is of the downloaded variety, you might consider > replacing your sources with the lossless versions instead of files encoded > via MP3 or AAC (if you use a Mac the lossless files you look for will > probably have a .m4a extension but the FLAC codec is available for Mac as > well).   Lossless-compressed files wouldn't take up all that much more room > than an MP3 if they're encoded properly using a good codec, and the files > can be converted and burnt to audio CD format for replay in a good CD deck. > > For digital players, you can get a second-hand Music Hall, Acram, or > Cambridge Audio for $300-$450 depending on how you go about it.  I'd highly > recommend that over a garden variety component deck if you can swing it, but > then again I'd recommend a garden variety component deck over playing > digital sources from a computing platform :-) > > I second Vic's choice of phono cartridges, the Shure M97xE Audiophile is the > best cart I've ever heard under a hundred bucks, and it sounds like it > should cost ten times what it does. > > Vic also gave good advice for a tape deck; if you don't have a need for the > flashy UDAR mechanism and won't be wanting to constantly adjust and > calibrate your tape deck, the  BX-125 and others in that line are a solid > starter decks and can be found on ebay for starting around $80 shipped most > days, and the CR-2A is even less.  I'll warn you now, though: the > entry-level deck will just whet your appetite and pretty soon you'll be > saving money and sniping auctions for the good stuff :-) > > Cheers, > > -Tim > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Victor Gabrenas > wrote: >> >> Julie, >> >> >> >> I would suggest finding a better source than mp3. The first Decks that >> comes to mind would be a BX300 or MR-1 for ease of use. A nice older make >> turn table( Denon or Technics) should be fine. I would make sure you get a >> brand new cartridge. A Shure M97 is a nice place to start. Not sure what CD >> player. >> >> >> >> Vic >> >> >> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Julie Kessler >> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:30 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: [naktalk] Advice on buying a Nakamichi cassette deck >> >> >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> I'd appreciate your advice on making some stereo purchases. First off, I'm >> a newbie to the world of  Nakamichi cassette decks. I'd never hear done >> until I went to work for KVG Labs and Kermit and heard their Nakamichi >> cassette recorders. In fact, I really never thought of buying a really good >> stereo before now. Don't laugh at me, but I listen to my MP3s on either my >> Macbook or my iPhone and my CDs on a Bose Wave Radio or the CD changer in my >> Malibu. But, now I can't stand the sound anymore. At work the sound is just >> so awesome then I com ehome to the tinny thin sound of the Macbook and the >> Bose thing. [I don't have any LPs but I'm thinking of getting some of the >> older music I listen to on LP (like Duran Duran, Men With Hats, Celine Dion >> and so on.)] So I guess I have to start from scratch on getting a stereo. >> >> So here's what I need to pick out: >> >> 1. Nakamichi cassette recorder ... I'm thinking of copying my favorite >> MP3s to cassette so people have told me they sound better that way. Is that >> true? ANYWAY, I want a model of Nakamichi that is easy to work, and that I >> can be reasonably sure won't need too much repair. In other words, what >> model Nakamichi deck would be a good choice to buy on eBay for $300 to $500 >> or so tops that I'd have a better chance of it working okay when it arrives. >> (I can always have Kermit or Dave the studio tech fix it but I'd rather not >> be a pest and have to ask.) >> >> 2. CD player. Does Nakamichi make a CD player other than the Soundspace? I >> don't want the Nakamichi Soundspace  amps and speakers, because I'm getting >> some A56DC Altisonus amps and D-50a speakers from KVG Labs (employee >> discounts are fun!). >> >> 3. Record player? What's involved in a really good record player? Do you >> still have to buy the record player and the cartridge separate? Does >> Nakamichi make a record player? Where is a god place to buy records anymore >> (other than eBay)? [Hope that's not too off topic!] >> >> Thanks for the advice! >> >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >> http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >